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I don't get how people can play with list that are 100+ points over. I guess you can say I've cheated before once I played with a list that was about 18 points over and I felt bad about it(didn't let my opponent know) I usually always say when I'm over the limit but it's usually like 1-7 points over and my opponnent either says it cool or adds stuff to his. I just don't see the point on cheating. There's no satisfaction winning like that

Well, I did add 300 points extra to a game once, only because I forgot to carry the 1 and that screwed my points calculation.

I thought about that when I was in the shower later this evening, finding it odd that I had 2 platoons, 2 Leman Russ, a Hellhound, 5 Ratlings, 1 HQ, Marbo and a sentinel in a 1000 pts game.

I did talk about it to the others next time we saw each other, and we laughed about it. Now I use Battlescribe for my lists, slightly more reliable than a pen, paper and my lacking talent of mathematics.

Not exactly cheating, but more of a collective insanity.

When I first started playing 40k with my buddies, we were all about 14, and it was 3rd edition. I guess we must have all been brain-dead or something, because we played length-wise on a 8'x4' table with 12" deployment zones, didn't use missions, didn't use a maximum number of turns, and didn't notice that units had points values, and we didn't know what a force organization chart was, and we thought transports were stupid because building them in Starcraft was a waste of time.

This resulted in total nonsense like 5,000 points of footslogging Tyranids fighting 1,500 points of footslogging Space Marines in a lengthwise deployment on a non-regulation table with no objectives other than the total annihilation of the enemy.

And we thought it was great.

 j31c3n wrote:
Not exactly cheating, but more of a collective insanity.

When I first started playing 40k with my buddies, we were all about 14, and it was 3rd edition. I guess we must have all been brain-dead or something, because we played length-wise on a 8'x4' table with 12" deployment zones, didn't use missions, didn't use a maximum number of turns, and didn't notice that units had points values, and we didn't know what a force organization chart was, and we thought transports were stupid because building them in Starcraft was a waste of time.

This resulted in total nonsense like 5,000 points of footslogging Tyranids fighting 1,500 points of footslogging Space Marines in a lengthwise deployment on a non-regulation table with no objectives other than the total annihilation of the enemy.

And we thought it was great.

You know, I think I did this too (except it was Orks instead of Tyranids and both armies used much less points). We also didn't use special rules so my opponent never got to use the Waaagh special rule.
This also happened in Fantasy with my Skaven vs High Elves but we never used leadership either... the Skaven's main weakness.
Good times.

Haven't really had any trouble with cheats, although when I was fighting my friend's Necrons and he wiped out most of my army in a single shooting phase I asked to see his codex. My army was only 350 points at the time because I'd only just started. His army was about 500 because he forgot to look at the codex We restarted and he still destroyed me, but at least we had fun

I rarely have to deal with full on cheating. I can't even think of anything off the top of my head. Mostly id say its movement shenanigans. You deploy 25 inches away from an opponent who makes a 24 inch charge and yet is somehow making contact. But that was more of an issue in 5th though.

Id say the bigger annoyance is people who rules lawyer their way to victory. They find some annoying trick that by RAW is abusable such as the old scarab congo chain. While not "cheating" that kind of player is just frustrating to play against

I had a pal in 3rd edition that insisted terminators got to reroll saves and had two wounds. Man was I chapped when I finally got his dex in hand.

Back when the 6th edition DA codex came out and before I had a chance to see it, I played against this guy who was making up a bunch of rules from Deathwing Termies have 2 wounds to all of his characters have EW. And whenever I asked like "are you sure" or "that dosent sound right" he would freak out and start yelling so I backed down not wanting to cause a scene.

I recently found out I have been cheating all along- my Doomscythes cost 175pts, not 200pts as I had thought...

Yea I had a similar screw up for the longest time. I played all of my Land speeders as open topped. . . then I bought a speeder storm

Mmm most disgusting cheating, let me see.

My ex after she did our next door neighbor....oohh you mean wargaming.

Carry on then

Stretchy tape measures.

"People who move their tape measure forward as they move their model"

Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

 Galorian wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

Understood. I know nothing of Necrons, I find them to be utterly confusing.

I think the worst I observed was when I was watching a game at my store.

It was a 500, or 1000 point game of CSM vs Ultramarines, but the Ultramarines player had somehow managed to get this into that small of a points value:

Kitted out chapter master
Terminator librarian
Full size unit of honor guard
Full size unit of Terminators
Whirlwind
Land Raider Crusader
Devastators
And a single Eldar farseer

When called on it, the guy freaked out and got mad at us, of course because this was his 'custom chapter'.

 Galorian wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

Future reference, I think the only model that boosts LD against that staff in tyranids is OOE...to LD 8

 EVIL INC wrote:
In a shop in MD, i saw a guy who would purposely roll his dice at and onto other models and rough terrain to get a many leaners as he could and the ones with low numbers saying "cocked" and rerolling them, while the leaners showing high numbers, keeping them as they were.

Its players like that, that have made my flgs implement a dice rolling rule. Sad but true.

Every table has a decent sized, flat, open bit on the half way line somewhere, that is where you have to make every dice roll in game. No chance of cocking and no chance of dice being obscured.
Solved a lot of problems though.

ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

Future reference, I think the only model that boosts LD against that staff in tyranids is OOE...to LD 8

Nope, that one's for tests only as well.

whitehorn wrote:

 EVIL INC wrote:
In a shop in MD, i saw a guy who would purposely roll his dice at and onto other models and rough terrain to get a many leaners as he could and the ones with low numbers saying "cocked" and rerolling them, while the leaners showing high numbers, keeping them as they were.

Its players like that, that have made my flgs implement a dice rolling rule. Sad but true.

Every table has a decent sized, flat, open bit on the half way line somewhere, that is where you have to make every dice roll in game. No chance of cocking and no chance of dice being obscured.
Solved a lot of problems though.

Our FLGS doesn't have dice rolling rules per-se, but it's customary to always roll with your opponent watching, calling him to let him know you're about to roll and what. When we played a bit apocalypse game the players on the off-turn team would tag along the current turn players so that they could roll without hassle.

There's also an unofficial "crooked die" "rule" by which you attempt to place a second die on top of the suspect die. If it stays on it's ok, if it falls off it's crooked and needs to be re-rolled.

 curran12 wrote:
I think the worst I observed was when I was watching a game at my store.

It was a 500, or 1000 point game of CSM vs Ultramarines, but the Ultramarines player had somehow managed to get this into that small of a points value:

Kitted out chapter master
Terminator librarian
Full size unit of honor guard
Full size unit of Terminators
Whirlwind
Land Raider Crusader
Devastators
And a single Eldar farseer

When called on it, the guy freaked out and got mad at us, of course because this was his 'custom chapter'.

What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

 thepowerfulwill wrote:


What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

He was using the most recent Space Marine codex. And nope, it was a Farseer. In fact, the guy said it was his chapter master's wife or something.

Not joking. :1

On this note, can it really be that wraithguard get a T6, S6, with a 2+ save and all equipped with flamer weapons due to a psychic power? Because I just had my first fight against the eldar since 3rd ed, and one stoopid squad of wraithguard chewed up half my Necron army.

I only play with guys I know are decent. Means I don't get much in the way of cheating since all of them are trying their best to get the rules right, so here's the biggest mistake I've had happen inflicted on me:

Guy brings a 1750 point army to a 1500 point match. Once I've counted all the stuff during top of three while he's doing his shooting I start to relax and start enjoying the game again. I wasn't paranoid after all. Never called him out on it, though, it would've been bad sportsmanship since I managed to slip a victory in by a point's margin and it was an obvious mistake.

 necrondog99 wrote:
On this note, can it really be that wraithguard get a T6, S6, with a 2+ save and all equipped with flamer weapons due to a psychic power? Because I just had my first fight against the eldar since 3rd ed, and one stoopid squad of wraithguard chewed up half my Necron army.

Wraithguard with 1-2 Spiritseers could do this.

 curran12 wrote:

 thepowerfulwill wrote:


What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

He was using the most recent Space Marine codex. And nope, it was a Farseer. In fact, the guy said it was his chapter master's wife or something.

Not joking. :1

Well, I guess every Space Marine Chapter Master would like to get on with some Eldar women, and get united in front of the Emperor!
I know I woudl...

 curran12 wrote:

 thepowerfulwill wrote:


What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

He was using the most recent Space Marine codex. And nope, it was a Farseer. In fact, the guy said it was his chapter master's wife or something.

Not joking. :1

Great...now people are putting their waifus on the table now too.


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On a note about cocked dice, if you use the GW gaming mat, or a cloth cover for the table then there is a common issue for dice to end up cocked, even in the middle of an open table. I've seen far too many dice stop on a point on the GW gaming mats than I dare count.

Honestly anything that isn't flat, in my favor or not, I reroll. I see it as the fairest thing I can do with them because they're not lying flat.

Worse case scenario: rolling into a box works too.

We were real young playing third, but my friend tried to convince us his chapter included the high lords of terra, each of whom had 2++, 8 wounds, custode staves that worked like demolisher cannons and personal teleporters or some such ridiculousness. We had to spend a lot of time explaining what the high lords were, and being real young our explanation was likely "space parliament".

Hey but now we have primarchs in the game so maybe he was onto something

Back in 3rd I ran into this guy in a tournament. I was playing Salamanders (you know, the I3 version), and he was playing Tau. The rules in use included the trial assault rules and trial vehicle rules.

2nd turn I get a charge off with a 5 man squad on a unit of fire warriors. They break, and I manage to get into combat with the squad of fire warriors he had right next to that one.

He immediately tries to rally his Fire Warriors that ran last turn. I point out that at this point, they are still within 6 inches of my marines, so no dice. He argues that "units in close combat don't count"

I break out my rulebook and the printouts of the FAQs that were up at the time, and asked him to point them out to me. He couldn't, but stated "he saw it online" He dug his heels in on this one, and the TO refused to rule on it. Even when a dice roll on it went my way, he kept insisting that he got to rally. So I ended up using that one squad to charge whichever of the two squads rallied that turn.

Then he got to the board edge, and started playing the "I'm going to run towards the right side of my board edge" game, making it nearly impossible to get him off the board. I ended up having to corner the two units in such a way that they couldn't run past my marines to force them off the board.

Back when I was in school we had a war-games society. It was open to people to drop in to play a game to 'try the sport'. One long term player who really wasn't that skilled lived to add on additional features to his army to make him indestructible during these teaser games. Obviously we got very few new players using this strategy, not just for this reason but it always stuck in my mind as an example of how people abuse knowledge and can be right nobs.