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Not in an allied detachment.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not in an allied detachment.

Yes they are... They replace heavy weapon squads from the troop platoon... Therefore you could have 10 in an allied detachment...

If they replace heavy weapon squads, you have to take them in groups of 3.

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not in an allied detachment.

Yes they are... They replace heavy weapon squads from the troop platoon... Therefore you could have 10 in an allied detachment...

Checked Imperial Armour - they do indeed, BUT they can have between 1 and 3 per battery so by that logic...

up to three sabers in a former HWS...
6 HWS per platoon...
2 Platoons per allied detachment...

up to 36 sabers????

That is a lot of dakka...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
If they replace heavy weapon squads, you have to take them in groups of 3.

No, you don't. Squad size is 1-3.


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 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not in an allied detachment.

Yes they are... They replace heavy weapon squads from the troop platoon... Therefore you could have 10 in an allied detachment...

Checked Imperial Armour - they do indeed, BUT they can have between 1 and 3 per battery so by that logic...

up to three sabers in a former HWS...
6 HWS per platoon...
2 Platoons per allied detachment...

up to 36 sabers????

That is a lot of dakka...

Sorry I should've clarified - 10 squads.
(it's only 5 per platoon)
But the full 30 would cost you 1500pts so I'm not sure it's a good idea

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:

This other time I played this Space Marine player. He kept moving his bikes 12" into and out of terrain and he didn't even bother rolling for tests!

Most commonly ran marine bike lists can do this you know

He is obviously trolling this thread with actual rules from the two armies with the highest tournament presence.

We have a kid locally who lies about his list, adds upgrades or special rules when ever he needs them and doesn't roll his dice properly - they don't roll out of his hands, are rolled behind terrain on his side of the board and are scouped up almost as fast as they were let go of.

Our gw manager has now put a rule in place that if he wants to play he has to give his opponent a fully written up list that has been approved by the manger in advance and every time we aren't happy with his dice rolls we can get him to reroll straight away.
He's still a nasty little kid to play but it does take the smirk off his face when he claims some amazing dice roll that would have somehow killed a whole tactical squad off and you just tell him to reroll in the centre of the board. Or when he claims an upgrade you can look through his list, surprising how often upgrades still don't appear on his list.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
This Tau player once told me I couldn't get cover save against his gun even though it doesn't have the Ignore Cover rule. He also didn't allow me to use my armor save. Then, because his super cheat gun hit me (of course it will, you don't let me take cover or armor saves!) he said the rest of his army now ignore cover. What the feth?

They're called Markerlights

Just kidding, I had to say it because they pretty much do what you said here.


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 -Loki- wrote:

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making mistakes is a lack of skill, after all.

Forgetting to move a squad now and then is more down to simple forgetfulness, rather than lack of skill.

However, remembering to take full part in all of the phases in the right order is a part of the game, and there should be a level of tolerance depending on the situation. I.e. tournament games should have more of a zero tolerance policy if you forget to move anything. A friendly down your LGS... not so much.

My friends and I often get caught up in the moment, like seeing someone move a unit into a nice killing field unknowingly, then at the start of the turn get so excited we forget to move and get into the fun business of killing the unit dead... while the other person smiles at such forgetfulness.

Fortunately we're all friends, so we allow 'mulligans' for that sort of thing. Everyone tends to get one per game, any more than that they usually get told no. I've done it enough to appreciate it when I'm allowed to take a mulligan that I let my friends do so.

This is, however, a friendly game with friends. Against a random person, probably not, because I know the favour won't be returned.

We tend to be very easy on this sort of thing in our games but thats because we have a lot banter going on so its really easy to forget something when you having a laugh.

Only cheating I ever see and it pisses me off to no end is going further than allowed. Some units mysteriously go an inch further or even more at times and it happens quite a lot with older players at my local store.

 TwinWolf wrote:
When I play there aren't really any cheaters, all my pals play respectively which is what I like to see.

But sometimes, you can see the occasional bull**** lies that players ( Usually in GW ) do or say to you if you are not familiar with the race. Going over the point limit is very common, lying about saves and all that craic is common as well.

I'm a gw player and I've never purposefully cheated in my life there are a couple of cheaters that go mine but 85% of us that play there are good


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At my gw there is a dad and son who play the mainly the dad watches why the son plays but he also plays frequently, anyway firstly the dad finds out the army and style of the game his son is playing like days in advance due to you having to book tables at gw and book you gaming slot, then during the game they come out with things like the rollers on the ork wagons don't count as the hull of the vehicle and it stops you front shootingnand charging that side, but by that logic you could never reach the front of the vehicle then? Secondly the dad picks your models up without asking, then places them at the back of the unit so they are no longer in range to shoot or even charge. Also the son rolls dice behind buildings and the dad starts talking to you to distract you from seeing him change bad results. And according to them, grey knight termies not paladins, terminators are WS,bs and s 5 with 2 wounds anyway the gw stuff got sick of it and tried to ban them but the dad complained to gw gw saying the staff and us other gamers were bullying his son, so I played him and had learnt every trick he played beat him turns 2 by tabling him before he even gt turn 2 so yea they didn't like that and when he said about the gk termiesi told hi. All my crons got back up on 2+ re rolling so yea I played him at his own game and when his dad picked up my stuff and faked looking at it I did the same though I place his model way behind the rest of its unit. And though he tried to complain yea gw staff just pointed out his attempt to cheat and shut him up long story short they no longer turn up anymore and when they do they ask staff if ime there just before they start to go gw so yea

Not to be rude, but any chance you could use spell check? That hurt to read.

Back in 5th I played against an eldar player. I will be honest, I have no idea what they could have back then so this might all be true, but it seemed fishy as hell. So I am rolling 2 rune priest SW at 1500, I place my choosers of the slain and deny his infiltration. So all his sniper dudes deploy on his back table edge, where he puts the rest of his army.

What stood out the most was his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

 gwarsh41 wrote:
his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

Except for the wounding on 3+ everything else was accurate.

BS4 meant hitting on 3+, Sniper Rifles wound on a 4+ (and have Rending), and Pathfinders (which was an Eldar Sniper upgrade) gives +2 to cover saves, and AP1 on any To Hit roll of 5 or 6.

Happyjew wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

Except for the wounding on 3+ everything else was accurate.

BS4 meant hitting on 3+, Sniper Rifles wound on a 4+ (and have Rending), and Pathfinders (which was an Eldar Sniper upgrade) gives +2 to cover saves, and AP1 on any To Hit roll of 5 or 6.

5th edition was BS3. So your opponent's eldar were a bit better than other craftworlds. I'm surprised that your SW didn't fare better. I hated playing CC focused armies back in 5th (especially SW).

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

I'm a gw player and I've never purposefully cheated in my life there are a couple of cheaters that go mine but 85% of us that play there are good

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At my gw there is a dad and son who play the mainly the dad watches why the son plays but he also plays frequently, anyway firstly the dad finds out the army and style of the game his son is playing like days in advance due to you having to book tables at gw and book you gaming slot, then during the game they come out with things like the rollers on the ork wagons don't count as the hull of the vehicle and it stops you front shootingnand charging that side, but by that logic you could never reach the front of the vehicle then? Secondly the dad picks your models up without asking, then places them at the back of the unit so they are no longer in range to shoot or even charge. Also the son rolls dice behind buildings and the dad starts talking to you to distract you from seeing him change bad results. And according to them, grey knight termies not paladins, terminators are WS,bs and s 5 with 2 wounds anyway the gw stuff got sick of it and tried to ban them but the dad complained to gw gw saying the staff and us other gamers were bullying his son, so I played him and had learnt every trick he played beat him turns 2 by tabling him before he even gt turn 2 so yea they didn't like that and when he said about the gk termiesi told hi. All my crons got back up on 2+ re rolling so yea I played him at his own game and when his dad picked up my stuff and faked looking at it I did the same though I place his model way behind the rest of its unit. And though he tried to complain yea gw staff just pointed out his attempt to cheat and shut him up long story short they no longer turn up anymore and when they do they ask staff if ime there just before they start to go gw so yea

After powering through this hodgepodge of poorly strung together words, I can only assume your keyboard lacks punctuation and your browser lacks a spell check device.

As for the worst cheat/mistake I've seen, I was playing a fellow IG player in one of my first games of 6th edition. I was new to the game and still getting up to par with the rules. I had a mortar team in the backfield that I wanted to use to barrage his exposed commander into oblivion. He informed me that I needed True Line of Sight for all units and that my mortars only had 24" range. I missed a turn of shooting on that one because I was new and didn't have a rulebook handy. He proceeded to move the commander to a safer location as my mortars sat there uselessly.

However, during his turn, I asked to borrow his books because I was certain I was being hoodwinked. I leafed through them, found the relevant pages, acknowledged his mumbled apology, then wasted a squad of his mooks in revenge. Still lost, but, eh, revenge!

 mars2024 wrote:

Happyjew wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

Except for the wounding on 3+ everything else was accurate.

BS4 meant hitting on 3+, Sniper Rifles wound on a 4+ (and have Rending), and Pathfinders (which was an Eldar Sniper upgrade) gives +2 to cover saves, and AP1 on any To Hit roll of 5 or 6.

5th edition was BS3. So your opponent's eldar were a bit better than other craftworlds. I'm surprised that your SW didn't fare better. I hated playing CC focused armies back in 5th (especially SW).

Eldar had no 5th edition codex. Per the 4th edition codex, Rangers (and Pathinders) were BS4.

I played a guy who just made it all up. I got to turn two and snaped in the store. He tries telling me his orks hit on a 3 in shooting! Then his nob squad among others had a 5. Up invol and were imune to instant death? When he moved his trukk 20 inch due to an upgrade l just started packing up. When l quized him and asked to see his list and magical codex, he simply replied, oh yea l forgot them but l do remember it all. I can deal with kids trying it on but this guy was bout 27.

It is funny to see what people come out with.

honest mistakes happen..like when I roll for my Ld for my IG commander and thought it was Ld10 but it was Ld9, others point it out (keep in my my commanders either live all game long or die horribly to shooting and/or melee) and we keep going...but 20 inches with an Ork trukk? What a barrel of laughs

I love people who just hinge their time on here on patronising people. Fun times

My father-in-law is a bit of a bugger for 'forgetting' he has rolled his saves. You'll be doing something else, getting dice ready or whatever and out of the corner of your eye you'll see two rolls take place but when you look up and say 'So what did you get?' He'll be all 'Just rolling saves. What do I need?

He's also got a mild tendency to move his front guy up 6" but the rest of his unit will shuffle up behind it 6.5"-7".

Now that we've spotted it, me and my mates can have a bit of a laugh about it. Aka 'Watch him like a hawk'

Tactical_Genius wrote:
Not to be rude, but any chance you could use spell check? That hurt to read.

this x2.3456789123456789. altough anyone who has read my posts will know i cant realy talk

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
I love people who just hinge their time on here on patronising people. Fun times

It's not being patronising to ask someone to put some effort into making their posts legible.

It shouldn't be necessary for them to ask in the first place, though, since making yor posts legible is both common courtesy and one of the rules of this forum.

I was a TO a couple months ago, and it was a painted only tourney. We have a guy who rarely plays and decided to come out for the tourney. He had some unpainted stuff, and no one said a word til the last round (and neither side wass in jeopardy of winning).

Last round the guy calls him on it so i force him to remove the unit of warp spiders. Guy took it like a champ. So then i looked at the opponents list and he had an illegal Land Raider, an illegal Terminator squad build and some other minor issue. Lol. Made him remove them. he wasnt happy.

I'm trying to be the biggest cheat by only teaching my boys to count to ten so that when they start playing I can control their lists. The oldest boy (4) is on to me and counts up to 60; so the plans not working. When they do start playing I think I will tell them they can only use four sided dice while dads get to use normal ones.

But they'll total loads of my models, borrow my other ones and put me in a care home so it'll all work out in the end.

All you'll need is a long term care facility with roughly 6x4 tables. it'll be fine.

I was playing in a tournament at my FLGS, quite soundly beating my opponent's Grey Knights with my Blood Angels. For the sake of this story, let's assume my name is actually Pumpkin, and let's call my opponent Derren.

Have to leave the table for a moment to chase an errant dice. I get back and I find Derren on my side of the board, moving my minis. I say "what the heck are you doing, Derren?". He looks quite confused and responds with "um, you're Derren. I'm Pumpkin. Remember? I'm moving my Blood Angels". By this point, players from some of the other tables are looking over, the attention's getting a bit embarrassing, so I get a bit flustered and start thinking maybe I goofed up and made a mistake, so I just carry on playing. He was very convincing! The last of the Grey Knights bites the dust and I lose the match. Feeling kinda fed up, I just head straight on home.

I'm sitting there in my living room, telling the kids to keep it down, while I ponder over a Grey Knight I'm holding. Trying to figure out what went wrong... Feeling like something's not quite right... And then that lightbulb moment hits me like a lightning bolt: "Hey...I don't have any kids! ...And this isn't my living room! That cheating bastard!"

Next time I see him at the store, I bring the manager over, tell him what happened and force the guy to swap me my stuff back. The manager's furious and he's threatening to call the police, but Derren's freaking out, begging him not to, 'cos the police have already cautioned him for cheating at another store's tournament. In the end, I saw the funny side of it, so I just accepted a reversal of our match's outcome and Derren got a month's ban from the store.

After all, I had the last laugh, anyway: I taught Derren's kids a bunch of rather unpleasant swear words.

 Pumpkin wrote:
I was playing in a tournament at my FLGS, quite soundly beating my opponent's Grey Knights with my Blood Angels. For the sake of this story, let's assume my name is actually Pumpkin, and let's call my opponent Derren.

Have to leave the table for a moment to chase an errant dice. I get back and I find Derren on my side of the board, moving my minis. I say "what the heck are you doing, Derren?". He looks quite confused and responds with "um, you're Derren. I'm Pumpkin. Remember? I'm moving my Blood Angels". By this point, players from some of the other tables are looking over, the attention's getting a bit embarrassing, so I get a bit flustered and start thinking maybe I goofed up and made a mistake, so I just carry on playing. He was very convincing! The last of the Grey Knights bites the dust and I lose the match. Feeling kinda fed up, I just head straight on home.

I'm sitting there in my living room, telling the kids to keep it down, while I ponder over a Grey Knight I'm holding. Trying to figure out what went wrong... Feeling like something's not quite right... And then that lightbulb moment hits me like a lightning bolt: "Hey...I don't have any kids! ...And this isn't my living room! That cheating bastard!"

Next time I see him at the store, I bring the manager over, tell him what happened and force the guy to swap me my stuff back. The manager's furious and he's threatening to call the police, but Derren's freaking out, begging him not to, 'cos the police have already cautioned him for cheating at another store's tournament. In the end, I saw the funny side of it, so I just accepted a reversal of our match's outcome and Derren got a month's ban from the store.

After all, I had the last laugh, anyway: I taught Derren's kids a bunch of rather unpleasant swear words.

Dayam. that was a funny story.

I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

 necrondog99 wrote:
I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

If my opponent and I are not drunk by Turn 2, we are doing it wrong.