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We had a younger kid at our shop who started up Dark Elder when they got updated in 5th. He was the only one with the codex and continually come up with things mid game like "these weapons have this special rule" or "this model has this", he was pretty protective about his dice, and constantly bragged about how awesome his army was. Well, after some of us became suspicious we looked at the codex and sure enough his army was heavy on points. So the shop owner purchased a copy of army builder and started asking everyone to print out their army lists on the spot. This kept him honest with his list while not accusing him.

Though on a happier note. Our shop held Ard boy qualifiers one year, and towards the end I faced him and his Dark Eldar with my GK Purifier spam army. I tabled him and maybe lost a rhino and a 5 man squad. His tears of rage were delicious!

I have a kid at my FLGS who consistently uses the gamers inch, he will move the first guy at the front of a unit 8ish inches then proceed to move everyone else in the unit 9-10 inches to put them right next to or I'm front of the guy that was upfront. I don't worry too much though because I always crush him due to his lack of target priority, spacing when it comes to blasts, cover, etc. And whenever I see him start to abuse it bad I begin to do the same so we are on the same level, just like when I face rule lawyers etc. I will mimic how they want to play (remember the golden rule treat others the way you want to be treated). Another person around my age used to have a habit of making up the occasional rule and saying "it was in an FAQ" but now that I always check the FAQs he never does it.

Another player recently got a bunch of tonka trucks for converting into BWs and due to the wheels alsways moves them too far (he runs a BW spam list so I always have to be a hard ass about movement to him because every inch counts so its hard to tell when he is intentionally cheating or accidentally) eventually I am going to have to ask him to lock the wheels on those things so I can tell when he is fudging his movement. He also has a tendancy to fudge his rolls (its hard to notice sometimes when he rolls 40ish dice per BW filled with boyz if he grabs a 2 or something extra when he is rolling to hit/wound)

5th edition
Hq battle me using CSM vsing eldar
i used abbaddon he used eldrad
all through the game eldrad was striking at int 7 hitting and wounding on 2s. for some reason he also ignored armour and invulnerable saves
accordingly eldrad has a 2+ inv that can be used in conjunction with fortune. abbadons last wound FLG owner comes and watches and catches his cheat
abbadon then proceeded by finally doing a wound... at str 8 killing eldrad making abbadon the winner

my happy ending, cheater story

we had one guy here who used I pad , which are not very popular here to say the least , with e-book codici . his army always seemed one unit to big , but when anyone wanted to count he would just show them how much stuff costs on his Ipad and it seemed ok . One time he said he wanted to try out FW . No one realy wanted to play him , but he kept asking and some one finaly gave in . He wanted to play 1750pts , but before the FW game he had to play me , because we both in a league. the point cost also happens to be 1750pts . So we play and end up with a draw . I stay at the store waiting for my friends mom , who was taking us home and what do I see . The dude is plays the same 1750pts +the FW unit. Now I ask if they realy play 1750 and he tells me to shout up .Now am smaller and younger then him , but his opponent is one of the core players at the store , so I just go to him . Hand him to print out of his list and then go to the store owners to tell my opponet cheats and that I call for a list check . He starts callng me names and that he can't do a check while already playing , that am wasting his money etc The store owners says that there is no problem , that he will do the checking .He does and we automaticly notice stuff that that is wrong . His devastators have weapons costed like old marines did , so are free . His LS storm scouts ,which no one uses here , costs 20 pts less . His ally tau mix stuff from farsight and normal codex dex in one ally slot and cost 10-15pts less.

now everyone is starting to say that he and his 2 friends always seem to have armies which are bigger then they should be and that they always use Ipad codex. We go over the HE list one of his friends is wining the WFB league with and we of course find out that he is playing with 1590 pts in a 1500.
Since then e book codex are banned from store events and the guys wil never get to play in any store.

I actually had someone say "Hey, what's that?!" and point over my shoulder dramatically so he could change his dice rolls.

It was an Anything Goes Wargaming exhibition match though, so it was all in good fun.

I had a really annoying thing once... Playing against a tau army whose fusion blasters magically changed to flamers and gained shields at the end of the game. This really irritates me a lot of the time. Thankfuly the guys at my FLGS are not like that. Always WYSIWYG or sorry, this guy has a plasma pistol, just trying it out ore something before the game begins.

Utilizing models I had from the second edition starter box and playing in early-ish 3rd edition against a kid the next street over. I had guys bbehind a wall that he shot with a grav tank utilizing a Crystal Targeting Matrix. I told him he couldn't possibly do that because he didn't have line of sight. I was then informed that the laser can arch around terrain so he could still shoot it. There was a small argument about how lasers couldn't arch. Pretty sure I lost the game and I never played the kid again. To this day, the Cyrstal Targeting Matrix is an on going joke between me and a buddy of mine.

worst cheat ive ever seen? somebody taking 2000pts Mechanised IG force up against a 500pts BA newbie, the IG player had basically written his own codex and the newbie didnt know any better, needless to say, I threw the guy out of the club. noob bashing is only aceptable when they charge scouts with terminators.. then I call in my deep strilking land raider from my BA army quite a few people claim its cheating but its in the rules (okay it is OP but if its there i'll use it against an arragont or insufferable upsart palyer to teach them a leson)

The most I have seen consistently, is that some Necron players use the quantum armor, or whatever that stuff is called, on their flyers, when, I have never seen it in a codex. I have caught two guys I was playing in a tournament try that. So, now I watch any flying circus or flyer heavy flyer necron army, even if I'm not playing against them.

To be fair, the quantum shielding thing is an honest mistake on a lot of necron players. Every non-flying vehicle has it, you simply stop paying attention to the exact wargear by the time of reading the fourth 11/11/11 vehicle in your codex. I've even seen people who wouldn't even remotely think about cheating (because they aren't interested in winning in the first place) do that mistake.

Recent game against a Tyranid player, who was known for being a bit dubious and for being doubly-blessed by Nurgle ¬¬

Anyway, my Abaddon + 15 CSM unit charge his Tervigon, which was guarding the Relic. I issue a challenge, which I have to of course, and he accepts, allowing Abby to deal 4 wounds to him. Next round of combat he pulls out his Codex and shows me that Tervigons aren't listed as Characters in a Codex that was written in 5th Edition. I know this is false (I had seen the updates and Erratas) but I let him off this one seeing as he was also known for being pretty stubborn. He's basically trying to avoid losing the Tervigon for three reasons

1: It's his Warlord
2: It's the only thing that can realistically prevent me seizing the Relic
3: If it dies it's going to explode and kill all the Gaunts packed around it, making it easier for me.

After the next round I casually ask why would a 5th Ed Codex have Character designations in it, something he can't answer. After the staff confirm my doubts Abby wipes out the Tervigon and clears the objective.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Recent game against a Tyranid player, who was known for being a bit dubious and for being doubly-blessed by Nurgle ¬¬

Anyway, my Abaddon + 15 CSM unit charge his Tervigon, which was guarding the Relic. I issue a challenge, which I have to of course, and he accepts, allowing Abby to deal 4 wounds to him. Next round of combat he pulls out his Codex and shows me that Tervigons aren't listed as Characters in a Codex that was written in 5th Edition. I know this is false (I had seen the updates and Erratas) but I let him off this one seeing as he was also known for being pretty stubborn. He's basically trying to avoid losing the Tervigon for three reasons

1: It's his Warlord
2: It's the only thing that can realistically prevent me seizing the Relic
3: If it dies it's going to explode and kill all the Gaunts packed around it, making it easier for me.

After the next round I casually ask why would a 5th Ed Codex have Character designations in it, something he can't answer. After the staff confirm my doubts Abby wipes out the Tervigon and clears the objective.

... and that is how you deal with cheaters effectively.

Personally I've had a lot of experience with cheaters, especially one kid who keeps on doing it. But the simple way to deal with it is to handicap his list dramatically after we realise he has been bending rules... or just don't play him anymore

G.A

 Jidmah wrote:
To be fair, the quantum shielding thing is an honest mistake on a lot of necron players. Every non-flying vehicle has it, you simply stop paying attention to the exact wargear by the time of reading the fourth 11/11/11 vehicle in your codex. I've even seen people who wouldn't even remotely think about cheating (because they aren't interested in winning in the first place) do that mistake.

I've seen it happen as well. Great guy, just a common mistake.

In defense of the Elder in this thread, doesn't their codex say they cheat?

Great thread.

I had a tau player use Aun'va and put him in a unit of misslesides, which allows them to have a 2+ save and then ignore the wound on a roll of the ap value or higher of the weapon that shot them, eg it ignores lascannon unsaved wounds on a 2+. However Aun'va is not an independant character.

Aun'va used in a unit of 20 kroot snipers, giving them cover saves, FNP and ignore the wound on an the ap roll or higher.

MIsslesides that can move and shoot, after he was asked to check that they could and he insisted they could. He was under the impression that all battle suits could. He decisively won a game because of this.

A large battle psyker squad with servitors not using the mindlock rule, they did heaps of damage.

A doom scythe deathray shooting backwards and then firing its tesla cannon at another target.

Deploying units of 15 immortals out of night scythes.

Insisting monstrous creatures get -1 on the jaws test.

Insisting obliterators are a shooting unit and don't have anything in close combat, then wiping the squad that charged it with power fist attacks.

This was all the same player.

A CSM player once claimed he could join his IC's to his DP (outflank with master of deception) because the DP can take a spell familiar which can be portrayed with a model

Steffo wrote:
Insisting monstrous creatures get -1 on the jaws test.

Funnily enough, I think they get +1.

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'..

Unless Sicarius is crazy powerful, it's Apocalypse, I honestly don't see whats wrong with this

 Dakkamite wrote:

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'..

Unless Sicarius is crazy powerful, it's Apocalypse, I honestly don't see whats wrong with this

The Apocalypse rules specify there can only be one of any Unique character.

Now if you house-rule this away, then a person can just field a couple hundred Marneus and call it a day.

 Dakkamite wrote:

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'..

Unless Sicarius is crazy powerful, it's Apocalypse, I honestly don't see whats wrong with this

I think it's more the fact that different names should not circumvent the rule of having one model with a SCs stats per army. While Sicarius isn't stupidly powerful, the player should have run this by their opponent(s) first to see if it was ok (although to be honest, 800 pts is amlot to sink into 4 captains)

the player should have run this by their opponent(s) first to see if it was ok

I absolutely agree with this. Overall I see rules as a guideline to create the game that everyone will most enjoy, not something to stick religiously to. However, going around the rules definitely requires opponent permission.

 lambsandlions wrote:
I once took a phone call and came back to find an objective marker on the other side of a building, ...

There's a moral to that story...

 Happyjew wrote:
The Apocalypse rules specify there can only be one of any Unique character.

They do now. The original Apocalypse rules didn't.

 insaniak wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
The Apocalypse rules specify there can only be one of any Unique character.

They do now. The original Apocalypse rules didn't.

Right, so there was no restriction on bringing 10 Sicarus'.

About 3 months after the BA Codex came out I was playing at my FLGS ( it is an independent retailer store ) and for giggles I brought Mephy with an Honor Guard with JP so that they could keep up with him. The guy who runs the store asked me if the 'Game Genie' was attached to his Honor Guard.

I just kinda looked at him like he was having a go at me, then I realized he was serious. I asked him what would make him think that he was attached to that squad. He told me that a college kid from the night prior was running a fairly similar Honor Guard with Mephy last night. I again thought he was messing with me, only to find out he was serious.

I explained to him about how the 5th Ed. codex dropped the IC status from him. He was NOT happy about how he had gotten raped by Mephy and as he was in a squad, was unable to target him. Needless to say, that young college kid got called on it the next time he tried it and we have not seen him since. Never did understand those that had to cheat to win, as it is really not a win.

Quite an easy mistake to make about forgetting Meph isn't an IC, for me I just think ''In character section, must be a IC''. I made the same mistake with the Big K (Dark Eldar Mandrake king with stupid name) and his unit of mandrakes, thinking i'd found away to make them good by starting with a Pain token. This went on for a while until someone pointed it out to me, I got a few grumbles here and there but it was an honest mistake.

Yeah, quite a lot of people missed Mephiston's lack of IC status when the codex was released.

My buddy went to Beakycon in Tampa last year and faced this one guy who's famous for cheating.

My buddy had the dual wraithwing backed-up by MSU warrior units in Nightscythes. This dude plays IG with GK allies, and rushes the game like crazy (hides his psyker power rolls and warlord trait rolls) and ends up going first. At the start of turn 2 he manages to kill all Necron units on the board, reaches over and shakes my friend's hand "good game". My buddy is a bit flustered and being rushed doesn't pay attention and ends the game... When he still could have brought in all his flyers since he went 2nd!!!

This guy somehow fit 3 land raiders and 3 sabres in a list with imperial guard allies. 3 single, not in a unit, by themselves. I know realize this because he cheated so hard

Awhile back a player slipped a Land Raider in a game. I chalked it up to accidental grab under the table and let it go. Couple weeks later he did it to me again and I pulled out the Stormraven. He moved and shoot at my SM with the Land Raider. I moved my Stormraven closer the Land Raider. Did a bogus roll on 2D6 rolling a 7. Made the pilot leadership test and proceeded to "Kamikazi" the Storm Raven into the Land Raider. Since the attack was all out of whack and the steps following afterwards it was pure mayhem of laughter.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This guy somehow fit 3 land raiders and 3 sabres in a list with imperial guard allies. 3 single, not in a unit, by themselves. I know realize this because he cheated so hard

Correct me if I am wrong, but 3 individual sabres is perfectly legal to my knowledge.