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Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 10:41:47


Post by: Corpsesarefun


So The Survivor 2299 was a hoax, but it appears that it was right about the development and setting of the next Fallout game.

http://kotaku.com/leaked-documents-reveal-that-fallout-4-is-real-set-in-1481322956

Kotaku wrote:Still upset about that massive Fallout 4 hoax? Here's some good news for you: The next entry in Bethesda's post-apocalyptic RPG series is real, it's in development right now, and, as rumored, it appears to be set in Boston, according to casting documents obtained by Kotaku.23P

Two weeks ago, a Kotaku reader sent me several documents from a casting call for a project code-named Institute. The casting documents, which I've been able to confirm are real, include scripts, character descriptions, and other details about the next Fallout, and although the word Fallout does not appear in these scripts, there are several references to Fallout's setting and locations. (The casting director for this project also worked on other Bethesda games, like Dishonored and Skyrim.)4P

This is the first confirmation we've received that the next Fallout game is in the works—although it's been generally assumed that Bethesda Game Studios, the development studio behind Fallout 3, has been working on a new Fallout since completing The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim back in 2011, Bethesda has yet to announce the new game in any form. In 2012, rumors circulated that Bethesda employees were scouting the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Boston for an upcoming Fallout game, but other than that, news has been thin.P

Yet the next Fallout remains one of the world's most anticipated games, and a few weeks ago, when an apparent teaser website called TheSurvivor2299 popped up on Reddit, people went crazy. The site, which was crafted as if it were an alternate reality game, hinted at a Fallout 4 announcement through a trickle of hidden messages and plot details, revealed through morse code and other cyphers. The sheer level of detail made the website seem real to some observers, but Bethesda wouldn't comment one way or another. P

Although some of the details I've seen may have been written simply for the casting call, and any of the dialogue could be changed by the time the next Fallout is actually released, they're interesting to read through. Here's what could be the game's opening intro, for example:



"War. War never changes," is the classic introduction used at the beginning of Fallouts 1, 2, and 3. That speech is typically narrated by actor Ron Perlman, although this page seems to suggest that the player-character will read the monologue this time around.8P

Other documents describe a mission set in the Institute—Fallout's post-apocalyptic version of MIT—and references to other Fallout locations that have been mentioned but never shown in other games, like the Commonwealth, which comprises what's left of Massachusetts. P

One character in the documents—who, again, may not show up in the actual game—is named Preston Garvey. One script describes a mission in which Garvey sends you to salvage a fusion core from a museum in the Commonwealth.



The casting documents describe some of the other characters in the next Fallout's wasteland, like a radio DJ named Travis Miles and an engineer named Sturges who is described as "a cross between Buddy Holly and Vin Diesel." Casting calls for both the male and female versions of the player character note that the player begins the game in a cryogenic sleep chamber.P

Again, it's worth noting that these details may have been invented for the casting call, and they may change during development. We also don't know whether the game will be called Fallout 4, or whether Boston will be the sole setting or just one of many.10P

The big takeaway here is that the next Fallout game is real. It's currently in development at Bethesda. So if you're upset about that teaser website turning out to be a hoax, at least take some comfort in this.P

Bethesda declined to comment for this story.





Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 10:46:24


Post by: Palindrome


http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/15/fallout-4-is-or-isnt-being-revealed-soon-would-you-believe/

There is a small chance that this may not be real. I'm sure that Fallout 4 will be happening eventually though.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 13:38:30


Post by: nomotog


I'm ready for fallout 4. Fallout 3 was a very good game that I still play every now and then. You can even say it was better then skyrim. Almost. I have almost no idea what they would do with fallout 4 though.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 13:41:18


Post by: Kanluwen


 Palindrome wrote:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/15/fallout-4-is-or-isnt-being-revealed-soon-would-you-believe/

There is a small chance that this may not be real. I'm sure that Fallout 4 will be happening eventually though.

Not in the way that you think it is.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 13:42:26


Post by: Corpsesarefun


 Palindrome wrote:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/15/fallout-4-is-or-isnt-being-revealed-soon-would-you-believe/

There is a small chance that this may not be real. I'm sure that Fallout 4 will be happening eventually though.


I'm pretty sure it's real... The amount of time since Skyrim is about right for a new game and the countdown lining up with those awards.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 13:51:35


Post by: Palindrome


 Kanluwen wrote:

Not in the way that you think it is.


?


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 Corpsesarefun wrote:
The amount of time since Skyrim is about right for a new game and the countdown lining up with those awards.


Nothing is certain (aside from EA cashcows), all you need to do is look at Half Life 3


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 14:30:53


Post by: Coolyo294


Assuming the site is legit, the game will be set in the Commonwealth. The site referenced the Quabbin reservoir as well as posting a caesar cipher that translated to "MY DEAR SISTER. I'M HEADING TO THE INSTITUTE. GOD KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS PLACE NOW. THIS OLD BASTARD WILL HELP US. HE MUST HELP US. --0321--". And the Institute is a location in the Commonwealth.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 14:34:25


Post by: Alfndrate


0321... March 21st! It's the prophecy!


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 14:58:14


Post by: Ninjacommando


22 years after Fallout 3? hopefully there will be conflicts with the DC branch of the brotherhood (or outcasts), andriods, the spread of harold the Ent and mapbe this time we will get a somewhat rebuilt society that isn't nuked to hell.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 15:03:45


Post by: nomotog


 Ninjacommando wrote:
22 years after Fallout 3? hopefully there will be conflicts with the DC branch of the brotherhood (or outcasts), andriods, the spread of harold the Ent and mapbe this time we will get a somewhat rebuilt society that isn't nuked to hell.
Having a society that is too well rebuilt was one of the problems with NV. There wasn't that big sense of irony because everything was exactly what it was meant to be.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 17:56:49


Post by: ZebioLizard2


nomotog wrote:
 Ninjacommando wrote:
22 years after Fallout 3? hopefully there will be conflicts with the DC branch of the brotherhood (or outcasts), andriods, the spread of harold the Ent and mapbe this time we will get a somewhat rebuilt society that isn't nuked to hell.
Having a society that is too well rebuilt was one of the problems with NV. There wasn't that big sense of irony because everything was exactly what it was meant to be.


Except that one made made sense, Fallout 3 was weird because it was 200+ years and people were still eating trash they find on the shelves. The Mojave was rebuilding.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 19:44:10


Post by: nomotog


 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
nomotog wrote:
 Ninjacommando wrote:
22 years after Fallout 3? hopefully there will be conflicts with the DC branch of the brotherhood (or outcasts), andriods, the spread of harold the Ent and mapbe this time we will get a somewhat rebuilt society that isn't nuked to hell.
Having a society that is too well rebuilt was one of the problems with NV. There wasn't that big sense of irony because everything was exactly what it was meant to be.


Except that one made made sense, Fallout 3 was weird because it was 200+ years and people were still eating trash they find on the shelves. The Mojave was rebuilding.

It might have made sense, but it took all the life out of the idea of being post apocalypse. It ended up being more harmful then helpful.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 20:27:26


Post by: KingCracker


But Fallout is supposed to be a waste land. That's the point. If they rebuild, then it's a scify game, and will lose it's flavor.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 20:28:28


Post by: Alfndrate


 KingCracker wrote:
But Fallout is supposed to be a waste land. That's the point. If they rebuild, then it's a scify game, and will lose it's flavor.

But if everything remains a wasteland then it becomes just like the 40k timeline, stale and never changing.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 20:29:32


Post by: Corpsesarefun


I really liked the whole recovering wasteland angle of new vegas.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 21:47:17


Post by: motyak


 Alfndrate wrote:

But if everything remains a wasteland then it becomes just like the 40k timeline, stale and never changing.


But Fallout...Fallout never changes.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/25 22:21:34


Post by: dementedwombat


 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
nomotog wrote:
 Ninjacommando wrote:
22 years after Fallout 3? hopefully there will be conflicts with the DC branch of the brotherhood (or outcasts), andriods, the spread of harold the Ent and mapbe this time we will get a somewhat rebuilt society that isn't nuked to hell.
Having a society that is too well rebuilt was one of the problems with NV. There wasn't that big sense of irony because everything was exactly what it was meant to be.


Except that one made made sense, Fallout 3 was weird because it was 200+ years and people were still eating trash they find on the shelves. The Mojave was rebuilding.



Wow...I wish my food would stay good for 200 years. I had to throw out a jug of milk the other day. That was sad :(

I guess I just have to set off nuclear bombs and irradiate it enough, then all the bacteria will die and it won't spoil.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 11:18:30


Post by: KingCracker


 motyak wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:

But if everything remains a wasteland then it becomes just like the 40k timeline, stale and never changing.


But Fallout...Fallout never changes.



From my mind to this thread


I think what would help is if they stopped jumping time do damned much. You want a few years to a decade sure, but every game seems to go several hundred years. Which I will agree, that much span in time we would recover, easily.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:10:31


Post by: Alfndrate


But it has only been a few decades between games.

Between the time when Fallout begins to when New Vegas begins, it's only 120 years.

Fallout begins in 2161
Fallout Tactics in 2197
Fallout Brotherhood of Steel begins in 2208
Fallout 2 begins in 2241
Fallout 3 begins in 2277
Fallout: New Vegas begins in 2281.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:12:25


Post by: Manchu


I suppose D.C. would have taken a bit worse a beating than Las Vegas in a war, don't you think?


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:19:28


Post by: Alfndrate


Manchu wrote:
I suppose D.C. would have taken a bit worse a beating than Las Vegas in a war, don't you think?

That I agree with, especially considering how destroyed DC looked from the few parts of it I saw (I couldn't stand Fallout 3 for some reason). I probably wouldn't touch any of the food found in the fallout world, but I mean, whats a few rads amongst friends?

With that being said, there are still about 100 years until the US is habitable again (according to the PA system in Vault 101


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:21:31


Post by: Coolyo294


The morse code has changed to "NCRA UNIT BST 314 7 EMRG MSG NEW YORK STAGE 7 WASHINGTON STAGE 7 LOS ANGELES STAGE 7 AUSTIN STAGE 7 CHICAGO STAGE 7 NEW ORLEAN STAGE 7 LAS VEGAS UNKNOWN MIAMI STAGE 7 DALLAS STAGE 7 DENVER STAGE 7 SAN DIEGO STAGE 7 SAN FRANCISCO STAGE 7 BOSTO-"


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:35:48


Post by: Wyrmalla


Which confirms that it'll be set about the Massachusetts Institute of Technology then? The last location being listed as Boston and all. Whilst Last Vegas not being listed is referring to New Vegas. Whatever "Stage 7's" referring to of course. Wierd.

BST? Background Self Test? Testing for radiation levels? I guess New Vegas isn't listed if that's it due to it having a lower level?


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:40:54


Post by: Alfndrate


Stage 7 is the worst stage in the International Nuclear Event Scale.

Major release of radio­active ­material with widespread health and environmental effects requiring implementation of planned and extended ­countermeasures


Which considering the world of Fallout, this is not a surprise. Also the morse code message has decoded that Boston is also at Stage 7.

Also, saw an article on speculating that the reason why Las Vegas is "UNKNOWN" is due to the actions the Courier takes in Fallout: New Vegas. Fallout 3 and New Vegas got updates yesterday, which apparently are paving the way for cloud saves. Cloud saves that might have an impact on your Fallo9ut 4 experience.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 14:44:02


Post by: Wyrmalla


It'd be nice if the game did include some CONELRAD reports that are still being broadcast like that. Obsidian's game don't really link so much back into the past of the series, just what happened after the war (as well to them it doesn't really matter that much).

* Edit..

¬¬ I've not got a copy of my saves from either of those games, despite putting in a couple of thousand others into both. Eugh... If that's the case then bye bye Christmas.

...Worth it.

NCRA is apparently referring to the National Catastrophe Relief Auxilliary, whilst the MP3 file itself is called longfellow-52939ac559777.mp3, referring to Longfellow Bridge, just outside the Institute.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 15:04:14


Post by: Coolyo294


 Alfndrate wrote:
Also, saw an article on speculating that the reason why Las Vegas is "UNKNOWN" is due to the actions the Courier takes in Fallout: New Vegas.
I think this is referring to the countermeasures that Mr. House installed to ensure that Vegas was never nuked directly


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 15:23:36


Post by: Wyrmalla


New Vegas was hit by two nukes actually. So it would be a level 7 event. =)


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 15:34:52


Post by: Ninjacommando


Seeing as they generally go with the "better" of the endings for the fallout games

During Fallout 3 the one guy from the commonwealth constantly says that the people in rivet city live like barbarians, meaning that the commonwealth(or atleast MIT) would be closer to pre war than the capital wasteland.

Come on its nothing but scientists and nexus 6 series replicants living at MIT.

Its been 20 years of the capital wasteland having Kudzu harold spreading along with fresh water source. Much of the east coast is probably rebuilding


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 15:38:47


Post by: Manchu


I bet it's one of those sharp contrast rich-next-to-the-poor situations in Boston, something like Tenpenny Tower or the West Coast BoS. The Institute is probably materially quite cushy, if rather sinister, but I doubt its members much go out of their way to help others -- at least if Dr. Zimmer is any indication.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 15:41:40


Post by: Wyrmalla


I'm guessing it'll just be The Postman, the game! Bethesda did put down that novel as one of their references, and what's known about it kind of stinks of that books. =P


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/26 17:51:22


Post by: BrookM


Love how the Vegas status is unknown due to House and his laser defence grid shooting down most of the nukes, thus keeping most of Vegas intact.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 00:52:36


Post by: Ninjacommando


Manchu wrote:
I bet it's one of those sharp contrast rich-next-to-the-poor situations in Boston, something like Tenpenny Tower or the West Coast BoS. The Institute is probably materially quite cushy, if rather sinister, but I doubt its members much go out of their way to help others -- at least if Dr. Zimmer is any indication.


in the fallout games, the large scientific groups are always working to make the lives of the people of the wasteland better, be it the followers, project purity, etc.
Dr. Zimmer is part of the Institue's Synth Retention Bureau which is why he was a jerk

the Rich to poor thing is probably more along the lines of Humans-next-to-the-Snythslaves

I hope that the main character is a snyth
"The andriod"
Using the following outline for male character
Spoiler:


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 03:02:26


Post by: Jehan-reznor


I hope they fixed the engine, loved the game but the buginess was extremely annoying.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 06:07:19


Post by: Manchu


 Ninjacommando wrote:
in the fallout games, the large scientific groups are always working to make the lives of the people of the wasteland better
Hmm ....

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_Outcasts



Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 06:42:04


Post by: Ninjacommando


Manchu wrote:
 Ninjacommando wrote:
in the fallout games, the large scientific groups are always working to make the lives of the people of the wasteland better
Hmm ....

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_Outcasts



The brotherhood changed from game to game

Fallout 1
They are a decaying organizations and at the end (which is the end that bethesda chose to go with) they started to gather tech, research it and develop their own, while helping the people of the wastland
Fallout 2
tensions grow with the NCR begin to become paranoid and they want to remove all tech from the people of the wasteland and keep them hidden
Fallout 3
This group of brotherhood of steel are about helping the people of the wasteland
-Outcast break away and continue the paranoid gather up all tech

Fallout newvegas
-still paranoid from FO2, they kill anyone with tech (mainly energy weapons) and take it back.
at the end they are dead/still paranoid/out in the world "helping" people because the NCR will return all of the powerarmour/weapons they took of dead Brotherhood members

The big Science groups atm are

The followers - Working the help the people of the wasteland
Brotherhood of steel - DC group (appears to be the largest remaining group) is helping the people of the wasteland, (Outcast/Mojave kill mutants and horde tech, but outcasts/mojave change depending on character actions)
Enclave - large groups with a "President" kill stuff in the name of science, Remants appear to help people (also enclave remants in fallout 3 wont attack people of their officer is dead/not spawned)
The Institute - not enough information
Bigmountain - Pyromaniac toaster.. thats all you need to know (not helping people)


so yeah its 2 helping 1 somewhat helping(we don't know how many are left that are "evil") vs 1 unkown and 1 that makes appliances with feelings


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 07:01:28


Post by: Manchu


The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood is an oddity. The other chapters don't share Elder Lyons's philosophy. The so-called Outcasts are the authentic Brotherhood and they have no interest in helping anyone outside their order.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 08:42:44


Post by: Grimskul


Although my motivation is quite a bit biased, I wouldn't mind seeing it take place somewhere closer up north so they could show what happened to the annexed parts of Canada and how they weathered the nuclear storm that followed. They've already made reference to Ronto (Toronto) in the PItt DLC and it'd be really great to see that idea expanded into something fleshed out.

Hell they could even throw in Deathbeavers and Maple Mutants to make up for the lack of FEV. Maybe even a mutated antagonist called Blob Ford whose slave empire is falling apart because of his erratic behaviour caused by his jet addiction.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 09:08:28


Post by: SilverMK2


I would like to see a fallout game set on 'the other side' - either china or russia. Would be interesting to contrast the pre-war outlook of the people and government to the rest of the american-centric games as well as see how people are living and working at the in game present.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 10:03:13


Post by: Wyrmalla


There was going to be a Fallout game set in China titled, "Fallout: Extreme!!!" (exclamation marks for emphasis). ...It did not look good. Still, the original games had the premise of focussing on just one part of the US, with each subsequent game branching out to show how the rest of the wasteland has developed. Those games made by other developers messed this up somewhat, but due to this the player is always left wondering what happened to the rest of the world, and if the NCR is really the only thriving community out there (of course then they encounter the Legion). So I wouldn't like a game directly set outside the US, but one which includes references (less vague than Alasdair Tenpenny in F3) that expand on what those other countries were like, and maybe what actually happened to the rest of the world.

The intro from the Fallout movie could be a nice set piece for a game too I think. It begins with a panning shot over a pre-war city, before revealing that its being taken from a train car moving across it. From inside the car the main character and others dressed in a pre war style mule about a...pre war fashion. Eventually however, the car stops. The pre war skyline fades to black, to be revealed to have been just a video, whilst the car was only moving along on a short rail segment. The whole thing was just an imitation of pre war life for Vault Dwellers to help stave off the claustrophobia/whatever of living in a bunker for the rest of their lives.

...Which I think would be a great intro/segment of a game (as long as the player doesn't know that what they're experiencing isn't real).


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 12:26:51


Post by: Godless-Mimicry


 Wyrmalla wrote:
The intro from the Fallout movie could be a nice set piece for a game too I think. It begins with a panning shot over a pre-war city, before revealing that its being taken from a train car moving across it. From inside the car the main character and others dressed in a pre war style mule about a...pre war fashion. Eventually however, the car stops. The pre war skyline fades to black, to be revealed to have been just a video, whilst the car was only moving along on a short rail segment. The whole thing was just an imitation of pre war life for Vault Dwellers to help stave off the claustrophobia/whatever of living in a bunker for the rest of their lives.


What movie is this? Only one I ever heard of was Nuka Break, and I don't remember that starting off like this.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 14:33:00


Post by: Wyrmalla


When Black Isle still owned the rights there was a movie planned. It never got past the draft stages, but the Vault wiki has a copy of the scene synopsis, characters and dialogue. Based on those it wouldn't have been half bad, despite alterning the canon somewhat.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 15:59:57


Post by: Manchu


I think Fallout depends on an aesthetic that is familiar yet bizarre -- so you know, postapocalyptic 60s and all that. It would be a lot harder to foster the faux-nostalgia in non-Chinese audiences if you set the game in China.

I wouldn't mind a largish DLC pack set in Canada, however. That could be really interesting.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 16:42:38


Post by: Wyrmalla


* 50s. (though 60's elements are present (Elvis, Greasers), Americans culture as a whole is based around that period. Not to say it didn't develop though, it just kept the look).

Canada could be... depressing. It was a country held under the influence of a pretty horrible regime. The US was under martial law come 2077, with people going missing in the night, etc. In the states of Canada and Mexico the US would have been a lot heavier handed (Fallout 1 opens with a Canadian resistance fighter being executed with a caption like, "Our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed Canada!). So whilst hearing about what the US did to other countries via third parties is fine, actually showing it doesn't have quite the same effect.

Aside from that, showing of China may be a big no no, considering how much it would offend the Chinese. The government there's not to fond of commentary on their handling of things during that period, and somewhat like the US, tends to remember it through tinted glasses. Any information on the matter would probably be incredibly biased given that it'd be coming from a US perspective (even the intelligence agencies chose to only speak in half truths). On top of that China's probably much worse off than the US considering that it was already on its last legs before the war (the US was too, they were just good at hiding it). The US had troops stationed at most 649 miles from China's capital some time before the Great War (Randall Clark from Honest Hearts was stationed in Nanjing from June to September 2076, and Shanghai from September to May 2077, before being moved to Canada), and weren't known to respect the rules of war (the UN longer existing and all, as was racism institutionalised). Though China had also similarly annexed the countries around it like the US had, so perhaps they still had holdouts there.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 17:20:00


Post by: BrookM


It might hard for a lot of people to accept that pre-war USA was quite a crapsack nation run by horrible donkey-caves who only cared about their own skins, something the devs have gleefully pushed home with a lot of the games.

What will interest me though is this: Will this be a Fallout 3 or a New Vegas?

Reason I'm wondering is because while 3 was good, it's quite forgettable and well, didn't really feel super Fallout to me, whereas New Vegas did, complete with that dark, dark humour that the first two games also had.

We don't talk about Tactics at my place, that game is horribly non-canon.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 17:25:35


Post by: Manchu


I love FO3 and like NV. NV is a good setting but the story (or rather stories) never felt as sweeping or coherent to me. There are moments from FO3 that I will never forget; can't say the same for NV.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 17:35:44


Post by: Wyrmalla


Bethesda will most likely be the developers. Obsidian's making their own game right now, and are so small they can only do one at a time. The verbal contract the two companies have is that Bethesda makes a Fallout game, the Obsidian have a short development time to make their own game using the same assets (and much better writing skills).

Fallout: New Vegas is more of a Fallout game than 3 was. It carries over the themes of the original games, and keeps the setting. 3 may be set in the same world, but it just didn't get the feeling or the series' message. However, I enjoy Bethesda games, generic as they are, and Skyrim was fun. So I will play 4, to death to, but I'll be awaiting the Obsidian game that results from it it too.

Mind that Tactics had a poor development period, and little input from Black Isle, despite being the series' first spin off and the apparent need for some hand holding. If the game hadn't been pushed for an early release, had actually finished its bug testing period (the devs were given a month to do it in), and was much more polished, it... would still have been a poor game. Having just played it a few weeks ago I can say that it felt odd, given that it was an RPG that was being shoe horned into the RTS setting. No, what we don't talk about is FOBOS. ^^


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 17:37:27


Post by: Manchu


 Wyrmalla wrote:
Bethesda will most likely be the developers.
What a strange thing to say. Bethesda will of course develop FO4.
 Wyrmalla wrote:
verbal contract
You can also be sure they have a written contract. I'd like to see a source for said contract covering more than NV.
 Wyrmalla wrote:
Fallout: New Vegas is more of a Fallout game than 3 was.
Ehhhhhh. I mean, if all you're saying is that NV was less original, sure. FO3 is a darker and less goofy take on the series, which is why the setting is the Capital Wasteland.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 17:52:56


Post by: Melissia


I liked both FO3 and NV myself, just for different reasons.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 18:08:19


Post by: Wyrmalla


Manchu wrote:
 Wyrmalla wrote:
Bethesda will most likely be the developers.
What a strange thing to say. Bethesda will of course develop FO4.


Ah, given that people were wondering if it were Bethesda or Obsidian who would developed the next game I was just clarifying.

Manchu wrote:
 Wyrmalla wrote:
verbal contract
You can also be sure they have a written contract. I'd like to see a source for said contract covering more than NV.


What I mean by verbal is that Obsidian said they'd like to make another Fallout game using a similar structure, and that Bethesda were warm to this idea.

Manchu wrote:
 Wyrmalla wrote:
Fallout: New Vegas is more of a Fallout game than 3 was.
Ehhhhhh. I mean, if all you're saying is that NV was less original, sure. FO3 is a darker and less goofy take on the series, which is why the setting is the Capital Wasteland.


Like I said, New Vegas was made by the original developers, and up held the first two game's themes. 3 comes across as a little more generic, much like Oblivion didn't do Morrowind justice in my eyes as a sequel. However Skyrim did, so perhaps with their next game Bethesda will create a better work.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 18:28:09


Post by: BrookM


Fallout 3 certainly had its moments, the Pitts in particular presented me with a moment where for the first time in a long time I had to stop playing and really thing things through.. The "Cure" as people kept calling it.. Holy gak.

But as said above, New Vegas just ties in a whole lot better with the background and continuity of the first two games, mostly by using parts of the sadly never realized excellent Project Van Buren.

Also, the New Vegas DLC had a nice arc going on and didn't feel like filler, unlike Mothership Zeta and Operation Anchorage, which by the way was a cool idea.

Finally.. Spoilered for language, they gave us Muggy.

Spoiler:




Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 19:19:10


Post by: Manchu


I don't think generic is the right word to capture FO3's divergence from the goofiness of the series. Bethesda prioritized a certain romantic quality over the droll quirkiness of the Interplay/Black Isle games. And NV owes just as much to FO3 as the older games, TBH, even if it does return to the goofier tone. I think it's an East Coast/West Coast thing. I am betting FO4 will be much closer to FO3 in tone than NV.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 19:41:46


Post by: BrookM


Yeah, mainly because Bethesda will be doing it again. So, expect a buggy product, but nowhere near as buggy as the future Obsidian sequel to Fallout 4.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 19:45:18


Post by: Wyrmalla


Though with 100% less Monty Python references, homicidal toasters and philosophical discussion via the medium of a man in a pin stripe suit with a gun to your head.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 20:42:44


Post by: BrookM


But with more grimdark apocalyptic logs.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 20:44:28


Post by: Manchu


One think I hope Bethesda learns from NV is the companion mechanic. FO3's companions were hopeless by comparison. Of course NV's were pretty damn buggy.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 20:55:00


Post by: Wyrmalla


Well for some reason they didn't implement the companion wheel Obsidian made (or something like it at least) into Skyrim, so perhaps not. Having to sift through a bunch of menus to perform even the most basic of commands is annoying. Dialogue aught to be used to improve the narrative, and for more complex companion interaction like setting up patrol routes or whatever, not to open an inventory or tell them to not drop their litter.

Still some decent companions would be nice too. By that I'm referring to Fallout 3 and Skyrim's undeveloped ones. Particularly in Skyrim there was ten a penny, but barring a few conversation trees they wasn't much to distinguish them. New Vegas however had great NPCs, who were effected by the players actions and (heaven forbid) even had their own quests and ending slides (what's a "where are they now sequence" I hear you say Fallout 3?). Bethesda prefers to tell their stories via quests however, as some dev said (...ah he was in one of the Dayz interviews) their games are "like an ocean that's only a foot deep".

Despite talking about Bethesda somewhat negatively in this thread I am still a massive fan of their games though. ...Its just easier to criticise than build something up, and I guess it shows I care enough about the series to even bother noting their failings (what's that I hear FOBOS? Back to the basement with you! Get!).


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 20:58:10


Post by: BrookM


Oooh, right. I hated it that Fallout 3 didn't have that classic slideshow. It's a great way of telling the player "Way to go JERK / HERO"


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/27 22:53:37


Post by: Ninjacommando


Manchu wrote:
One think I hope Bethesda learns from NV is the companion mechanic. FO3's companions were hopeless by comparison. Of course NV's were pretty damn buggy.


Did you not enjoy Fawkes with vengeance? Having a Companion that could kill Every enemy before they entered render distance was a great. (now the interactions with Companions, sidequests and their story after, made them great in NV).

And remeber folks Bethseda had to make Fallout 3 from scratch (engine, story, etc) while Fallout NV had it's story and characters done a while ago (van buren) and had a complete engine to work with. so they spent more time on fleshing out characters, adding weapon content, etc

While the ammount of guns they had in NV was great, getting powerful weapons was really easy and they are abundant throughout the game (Gauss rifle, tesla cannon). Which made the game more of a steamroll rather quickly compaired to 3.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 00:13:15


Post by: illuknisaa


Manchu wrote:
I love FO3 and like NV. NV is a good setting but the story (or rather stories) never felt as sweeping or coherent to me. There are moments from FO3 that I will never forget; can't say the same for NV.


I have to agree New Vegas was basically just an awesome experience equally rewarding as through out while fo3 is an a janky mess dotted with derpy encounters and the best parts are where there isn't happening anything.

Bethasda basically just made a list of things they saw in fo2 wiki page and said they need to include all these things (also feth canon). fo3 basically spent first portion of the game building up this interesting mystery and then... nothing, POOF ENCLAVE!


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 00:29:55


Post by: Godless-Mimicry


I could never enjoy New Vegas as much as 3. First and foremost, the many crippling glitches that rendered your game unplayable that still haven't been fixed to this day. Then there was the lack of adventure that 3 presented; a huge portion all around the outside of the map has nothing in it. The story also was very linear and thus made the game a lot more linear. Sure you chose a side from many, but you always ended up in the same places and the game tended to push you onward to the next quest, rather than the big-scape 'out-on-your-own' style of 3. But I suppose those were the styles that suited each game; 3 made you feel lost in the wasteland, whereas NV had the direction of a returning society.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 04:37:58


Post by: BrookM


Oh, one thing I do always forget: F3 did have a better soundtrack than New Vegas imho.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 05:09:12


Post by: Ninjacommando


 BrookM wrote:
Oh, one thing I do always forget: F3 did have a better soundtrack than New Vegas imho.


Liam neeson, Malcom McDowell,

I would pay money just to listen to Malcom McDowell read from a phone book.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 08:14:38


Post by: BrookM


 Ninjacommando wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
Oh, one thing I do always forget: F3 did have a better soundtrack than New Vegas imho.


Liam neeson, Malcom McDowell,

I would pay money just to listen to Malcom McDowell read from a phone book.
I'm talking about the music here, not the voice cast.


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Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 11:40:48


Post by: illuknisaa


 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
I could never enjoy New Vegas as much as 3. First and foremost, the many crippling glitches that rendered your game unplayable that still haven't been fixed to this day. Then there was the lack of adventure that 3 presented; a huge portion all around the outside of the map has nothing in it. The story also was very linear and thus made the game a lot more linear. Sure you chose a side from many, but you always ended up in the same places and the game tended to push you onward to the next quest, rather than the big-scape 'out-on-your-own' style of 3. But I suppose those were the styles that suited each game; 3 made you feel lost in the wasteland, whereas NV had the direction of a returning society.


I'm pretty sure the parts of maps which didn't have anything were walled off.

New Vegas is more linear?

Fo3: go to megaton, go to dj dude (you have to use pretty much the same route), go to rivet city (it makes sense to use same route), go to "weird old man wants to be a little girl" -land, go to rivet city (again), go to "town full of kids living next to large super mutant cave", oh noes enclave got you, goto rivet city (this time with giant robot, also you have no option of using different route)

nv: find benny, join up with house, ncr, ceasar or yourself, goto ceasars camp, goto different factions in nevada to ask their help (or not, you can fail too), finish things up with the damn (depends on whom you did join with)


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 12:00:19


Post by: Wyrmalla


Yes, 3 was more linear, with the only choice occurring at the end (and it was just an aesthetic one). So whilst New Vegas also was somewhat linear, it allowed you to approach each node in a different manner and provided quests only available to those who had followed a certain questline at certain points. Your choices in New Vegas had an effect upon things in the world, whereas the ones in 3 were already decided for you, so any changes, and there weren't many, were already expected of the player.

But, that's down to the different devs. 3 plays like Bethesda's other games, whilst New Vegas plays like Obsidian's in terms of pacing and the world. Still Skyrim did improve how quests were handled, with a few options to reorder when they occurred, or how, so here's hoping that carries through into their next game.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 15:01:12


Post by: Godless-Mimicry


 illuknisaa wrote:
I'm pretty sure the parts of maps which didn't have anything were walled off.


They're not.

 illuknisaa wrote:
New Vegas is more linear?

Fo3: go to megaton, go to dj dude (you have to use pretty much the same route), go to rivet city (it makes sense to use same route), go to "weird old man wants to be a little girl" -land, go to rivet city (again), go to "town full of kids living next to large super mutant cave", oh noes enclave got you, goto rivet city (this time with giant robot, also you have no option of using different route)

nv: find benny, join up with house, ncr, ceasar or yourself, goto ceasars camp, goto different factions in nevada to ask their help (or not, you can fail too), finish things up with the damn (depends on whom you did join with)


Except in NV the end of one quest always leads you by the hand right to the start of the next one; even if you turned off quest markers you would be led right to where you needed to be. In 3 you had to journey across the whole scape of the Wasteland following the main quest.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/28 15:47:20


Post by: illuknisaa


 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
 illuknisaa wrote:
I'm pretty sure the parts of maps which didn't have anything were walled off.


They're not.

 illuknisaa wrote:
New Vegas is more linear?

Fo3: go to megaton, go to dj dude (you have to use pretty much the same route), go to rivet city (it makes sense to use same route), go to "weird old man wants to be a little girl" -land, go to rivet city (again), go to "town full of kids living next to large super mutant cave", oh noes enclave got you, goto rivet city (this time with giant robot, also you have no option of using different route)

nv: find benny, join up with house, ncr, ceasar or yourself, goto ceasars camp, goto different factions in nevada to ask their help (or not, you can fail too), finish things up with the damn (depends on whom you did join with)


Except in NV the end of one quest always leads you by the hand right to the start of the next one; even if you turned off quest markers you would be led right to where you needed to be. In 3 you had to journey across the whole scape of the Wasteland following the main quest.


This looks pretty dencely populated:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_locations

That even doesn't include unmarked locations.

So you mean that quests usually end near quest giver and they can give you a new quest? How is this bad? How is fo3 different? Every main quest is given to you right after the last one and atleast in new vegas you can fail, or do something else which gives an alternative path. I believe you can also avoid some main quests being given to you (only 2 quests appear in your journal automatically, tutorial and find benny)


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 01:11:50


Post by: Godless-Mimicry


Firstly, no it doesn't look decently populated at all. That map clearly shows what I mean; everything is concentrated to the center and a huge portion of the map around the edges is bare. I've explored them in game too; there's nothing out there, not even enemies. Rather pointless really.

As for how the quest system is bad, I've already said how; because it makes the game more linear. And it differs from Fallout 3 because for half of the quests in the main story you need to travel half way across the wasteland several times over and explore new areas. There's no incentive to explore the game world unlike in Fallout 3, and for the record, I've tested it in both games. I comfortably completed NV in two days also, completely, that was of course on the 5th attempt to get it to finish without some silly glitch corrupting the save file or making the game unplayable.

In New Vegas you start things out in the suburbs and are almost immediately sent to the Strip and everything after that is either in NV itself or in locations right next to it, bar the trip down south to Caeser's place. In 3 after you've gotten to Megaton you have to trek half of the winding city to find 3 Dog, and then the other half of the city to get to Rivet City before you finally have to go back off into the desert to find dad.

As for the choice of New Vegas, with the exception of the very end none of those choices are of much consequence except thematically as the locations you go to and what you ultimately do on each quests is mostly the same. Sure this is no different in Fallout 3, but as I've said, 3 at least requires some adventure and trekking to get it done, making it more a quest than a chore.

YMMV, and some may prefer what NV brought to the table, but it was a game in a post-apocalyptic adventure series that had very little adventure and also very little upgrades compared to its predecessor. It wasn't a bad game at all, not by any stretch of the imagination, and is one of my favorite games, but it could have been so much more if they didn't rush it, and so 3 is where I will always go back to, and not NV.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 09:32:15


Post by: SilverMK2


I much preferred 3 to NV. But then i prefer the lack of much civilisation in 3. Plus i enjoyed the story much more. NV felr more forced and farcical while 3s felt more natural and progressive and was better paced.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 10:15:24


Post by: Palindrome


 Wyrmalla wrote:

Mind that Tactics had a poor development period, and little input from Black Isle, despite being the series' first spin off and the apparent need for some hand holding. If the game hadn't been pushed for an early release, had actually finished its bug testing period (the devs were given a month to do it in), and was much more polished, it... would still have been a poor game. Having just played it a few weeks ago I can say that it felt odd, given that it was an RPG that was being shoe horned into the RTS setting. No, what we don't talk about is FOBOS. ^^


I like Tactics. Its obviously a lot more linear than Fallouts traditionally are and it gets quite repetitive but I still find it enjoyable and IMO at least it's a worthy game in its own right and as part of the FO universe. It certainly got Fallouts sense of humour right.

I would much prefer Obsidian to make this over Bethesda but I want to play Eternity far more than I want to play FO 4 so I will have to just make that sacrifice Hopefully Obsidian will get a chance to make an expansion that fixes most of the problems with Bethesda's game design (but with less bugs this time please).


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 12:42:02


Post by: illuknisaa


Spoiler:
 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Firstly, no it doesn't look decently populated at all. That map clearly shows what I mean; everything is concentrated to the center and a huge portion of the map around the edges is bare. I've explored them in game too; there's nothing out there, not even enemies. Rather pointless really.

As for how the quest system is bad, I've already said how; because it makes the game more linear. And it differs from Fallout 3 because for half of the quests in the main story you need to travel half way across the wasteland several times over and explore new areas. There's no incentive to explore the game world unlike in Fallout 3, and for the record, I've tested it in both games. I comfortably completed NV in two days also, completely, that was of course on the 5th attempt to get it to finish without some silly glitch corrupting the save file or making the game unplayable.

In New Vegas you start things out in the suburbs and are almost immediately sent to the Strip and everything after that is either in NV itself or in locations right next to it, bar the trip down south to Caeser's place. In 3 after you've gotten to Megaton you have to trek half of the winding city to find 3 Dog, and then the other half of the city to get to Rivet City before you finally have to go back off into the desert to find dad.

As for the choice of New Vegas, with the exception of the very end none of those choices are of much consequence except thematically as the locations you go to and what you ultimately do on each quests is mostly the same. Sure this is no different in Fallout 3, but as I've said, 3 at least requires some adventure and trekking to get it done, making it more a quest than a chore.

YMMV, and some may prefer what NV brought to the table, but it was a game in a post-apocalyptic adventure series that had very little adventure and also very little upgrades compared to its predecessor. It wasn't a bad game at all, not by any stretch of the imagination, and is one of my favorite games, but it could have been so much more if they didn't rush it, and so 3 is where I will always go back to, and not NV.


Th edges of the map are blocked off by steep mountains and invisible walls. I don't see how you've even managed to get out of bounds.

No incentive to explore? You mean finding your way to prim, novac, boulder city and finally to new vegas where you need to find a way to ceasars camp which puts you in a quest to meet every tribe in the wasteland? The story takes you pretty much everywhere and side quests make sure you take a very through sweep around the area.

On the other hand fo3 never takes you to nothern side of the river (apart from city ruins)
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_map
location you goto are: a1, j9, k2, g7 and city area.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
I much preferred 3 to NV. But then i prefer the lack of much civilisation in 3. Plus i enjoyed the story much more. NV felr more forced and farcical while 3s felt more natural and progressive and was better paced.


Better paced?!? You mean "POOF ENCLAVE!" is better paced?


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 16:33:16


Post by: SilverMK2


Better than working for each faction at the same time while apparently none of them seemed to question what you had been doing, then doing a couple more missions then finishing the game...

That whole faction thing in NV was far too loose and badly paced. The main quest and related side quests drove you along much better, imo, in 3.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 22:29:39


Post by: illuknisaa


What are you talking about? All of the factions notice if you too much help the other factions. They even threaten to remove you from their friend list if you don't stop.

As far as I know none of the sidequests were related in any way to the main quest in fo3


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/11/29 23:16:38


Post by: SilverMK2


Just imo.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/01 23:50:17


Post by: Coolyo294


So thesurvivor2299 updated again.

New text:
KVNGR REV ALPHA PPS VT PIZ UHMYLPVOQ CM XHWMZP. NBJB SPI'F BYQS QT D'Y BYFGEOB FI VQDYL MAQ. -NGQHT 5120-

Translated:
Keyed Vigenere cipher, passphrase Vault Tec: "THE INSTITUTE IS SEALED. THEY WON'T HELP US I'M HEADING TO BLACK ROW. -TBNLS 5120-"

New Morse Code:
"Calling all stations, calling all stations, calling all stations. This is Overseer of Vault 119. Emergency. Unknown enemy. SOS SOS SOS. Vault 119. Quabbin. 7667. SOS SOS SOS. Vault 119. Quabbin. 7667. Enemy unkno-"


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/01 23:57:23


Post by: BrookM


Interesting, a new, as of yet unmentioned vault.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/02 00:11:52


Post by: Corpsesarefun


 Coolyo294 wrote:
So thesurvivor2299 updated again.

New text:
KVNGR REV ALPHA PPS VT PIZ UHMYLPVOQ CM XHWMZP. NBJB SPI'F BYQS QT D'Y BYFGEOB FI VQDYL MAQ. -NGQHT 5120-

Translated:
Keyed Vigenere cipher, passphrase Vault Tec: "THE INSTITUTE IS SEALED. THEY WON'T HELP US I'M HEADING TO BLACK ROW. -TBNLS 5120-"

New Morse Code:
"Calling all stations, calling all stations, calling all stations. This is Overseer of Vault 119. Emergency. Unknown enemy. SOS SOS SOS. Vault 119. Quabbin. 7667. SOS SOS SOS. Vault 119. Quabbin. 7667. Enemy unkno-"


Why thank you hero of mind


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/02 00:14:29


Post by: Wyrmalla


Interesting in that the Vaulters are needing to go to the Institute for help for some reason. The Institute being a closed environment doesn't strike me as a big thing, though whether its like Boulder Dome, or just a settlement that's closed off from the outside will be interesting.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/02 00:16:19


Post by: Ninjacommando


http://vault119.com/

Hmm this just popped up on google search bar

probably not related.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/02 00:36:19


Post by: Corpsesarefun


 Ninjacommando wrote:
http://vault119.com/

Hmm this just popped up on google search bar

probably not related.


Already in OP dude.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/02 12:23:00


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 KingCracker wrote:
But Fallout is supposed to be a waste land. That's the point. If they rebuild, then it's a scify game, and will lose it's flavor.


Actually, I would argue that the point of the Fallout series is to explore how people would rebuild society after a great disaster, which is hampered by the cyclical nature of history (hence "War, War Never Changes"). In Fallout 1 and 2 and FNV people were rebuilding, but are threatened by some impending doom (The Master, Enclave, The Battle of Hoover Dam II).

I didn't really get that same feeling in FO3. There are just some odd settlements that shouldn't really exist :/
There is the threat of the Enclave (again), but it doesn't really matter since the settlements are pretty much dead anyway; there is no evidence of them having some sort of agriculture, and there are so many mutants and bandits roaming around that settlements outside of the Brotherhood of Steel's influence should have been destroyed quite a while back.

Oh, and Little Lamplight can go rot in a Centaur's belly. I hated that place >.<


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/02 12:45:42


Post by: KingCracker


 SilverMK2 wrote:
Just imo.


Am opinion I agree with too. Don't get me wrong, I like NV plenty, just story wise and setting I much preferred 3.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/03 05:22:02


Post by: Bromsy


Fallout 3 sucked because they played it too safe. Whilst I was not a huge fan of the switch from a topdown isometric rpg to quasi FPS, I gave the format changing a pass because at the time I was happy that anything was happening with the Fallout license.

But far too much of the game was simply them softballing it in to draw in the nostalgia crowd. If you want to shift the setting across the country and a significant amount of time, change it up. But instead, we get supermutants, radscorpions, brahmin, bloatflies, the enclave, centaurs, floaters, geckos, and all manner of other stuff that has no business being in Washington DC.

They wanted to make their own version of Fallout, and yet they fell back over and over again to relying on the iconic ideas and images of the first two. So what we ended up with was a disingenuous and half arsed effort that lacked character.

New Vegas was a little better; at least they tried some new stuff and the throwbacks to the first two games made sense based on setting; but frankly the fact that Wasteland 2 is on the horizon makes the idea of buying whatever drivel Bethesda comes out with less than appetizing.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/07 03:39:01


Post by: Coolyo294


Well, it's official. Thesurvivor2299 was a hoax.



Hopefully this is just another elaborate ruse by Bethesda to make the true reveal even more dramatic.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/07 04:32:15


Post by: Corpsesarefun


Well, that was disappointing.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/07 18:40:04


Post by: Wyrmalla


Meh, at least it can be used by Bethesda to judge how much interest their is in their sequel.

*Cries in the corner.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/10 16:03:24


Post by: Pilau Rice


This and
Spoiler:
Herschel dying
in the Walking Dead, I think I am about ready to top myself...

Oh what a world.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/10 18:07:43


Post by: Avatar 720




He received 14 death threats.

Just 14.

The internet has disappointed me yet again.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/10 18:18:24


Post by: Manchu


He paid $990 to do this. The crime is its own punishment.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/11 21:51:25


Post by: emperorpenguin


 Pilau Rice wrote:
This and
Spoiler:
Herschel dying
in the Walking Dead, I think I am about ready to top myself...

Oh what a world.


Me too and both in the space of 24 hours

Twist in the tale today from the same journalist at Kotaku who called Survivor2299 as fake http://kotaku.com/leaked-documents-reveal-that-fallout-4-is-real-set-in-1481322956/@jschreier

I feel the universe is playing with my emotions like a kitten with a ball of yarn


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/12 15:31:21


Post by: Avatar 720


Fallout 4 will be set in the New Soviet Republic. Winter is harsher than it has ever been and blizzards frequent the land, those caught in them often freeze in minutes, or are torn to shreds by the icy shards and mutated monsters within.

Never before has a survivor had to battle both hostile enemies and an equally hostile environment, but in the lands of the NSR, where the sun is a rare and oft maligned sight as it parts the cloud cover and temperatures plunge further, there is a warm ray of hope.

Soviet scientists are well known for mad genius, and in a world of post-nuclear war where Mutually Assured Destruction lived up to its acronym, madness is all the more common; it is the genius behind it that makes it valuable. In a desperate bid to rid the Motherland of its frosty blight, an old-world prototype war-machine has been stolen, intended to be re-purposed to manipulate local weather, and to purge the NSR of its greatest foe yet.

But others have seen what lives outside the natural boundary. Travellers, both military and civilian, report that war never ended, it simply multiplied. In the ruins of nuclear apocalypse, humanity reaches for the light meaning only to smite his fellows with it. With the NSR nigh untouchable, those in power have declared that now is the time to re-build.

Nature provides harsh training, that the armies of the NSR might overcome all obstacles in its way. Unassailable, the NSR may build up its forces at its own pace, in safety and secrecy. The great engines of old-world war machines will roar once more, and the NSR will emerge as demons from the coldest depths of Hell to exact revenge on a world fragmented and conflicted. The stolen prototype holds the key to allowing safe passage, as well as to bringing the weather to bear upon the enemies of the NSR. It must be reclaimed.

The fate of the New Soviet Republic rests in your hands; where shall you cast them?


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/12 23:58:59


Post by: Corpsesarefun


 Avatar 720 wrote:
Fallout 4 will be set in the New Soviet Republic. Winter is harsher than it has ever been and blizzards frequent the land, those caught in them often freeze in minutes, or are torn to shreds by the icy shards and mutated monsters within.

Never before has a survivor had to battle both hostile enemies and an equally hostile environment, but in the lands of the NSR, where the sun is a rare and oft maligned sight as it parts the cloud cover and temperatures plunge further, there is a warm ray of hope.

Soviet scientists are well known for mad genius, and in a world of post-nuclear war where Mutually Assured Destruction lived up to its acronym, madness is all the more common; it is the genius behind it that makes it valuable. In a desperate bid to rid the Motherland of its frosty blight, an old-world prototype war-machine has been stolen, intended to be re-purposed to manipulate local weather, and to purge the NSR of its greatest foe yet.

But others have seen what lives outside the natural boundary. Travellers, both military and civilian, report that war never ended, it simply multiplied. In the ruins of nuclear apocalypse, humanity reaches for the light meaning only to smite his fellows with it. With the NSR nigh untouchable, those in power have declared that now is the time to re-build.

Nature provides harsh training, that the armies of the NSR might overcome all obstacles in its way. Unassailable, the NSR may build up its forces at its own pace, in safety and secrecy. The great engines of old-world war machines will roar once more, and the NSR will emerge as demons from the coldest depths of Hell to exact revenge on a world fragmented and conflicted. The stolen prototype holds the key to allowing safe passage, as well as to bringing the weather to bear upon the enemies of the NSR. It must be reclaimed.

The fate of the New Soviet Republic rests in your hands; where shall you cast them?


As cool as that sounds, the Metro games have made it more or less impossible.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/13 09:45:36


Post by: Palindrome


 Corpsesarefun wrote:

As cool as that sounds, the Metro games have made it more or less impossible.


Surely the Metro games, and of course STALKER (even if it is Ukranian) have made a game such as that more likely?


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/13 10:22:44


Post by: Corpsesarefun


I'm sure there would be some legal problems with the endeavour... Besides, why would Bethesda bother retreading the post-apocalyptic USSR theme when it has been done so well before?


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/13 13:40:10


Post by: Palindrome


 Corpsesarefun wrote:
I'm sure there would be some legal problems with the endeavour... Besides, why would Bethesda bother retreading the post-apocalyptic USSR theme when it has been done so well before?


I doubt there would be any legal issues actually and as to why, well just how many FPS games have a middle eastern setting? I find the post soviet setting far more interesting than the post US setting (which has seen more than a couple of games).

There was a game in production, Novy Soyuz, that was dubbed the 'Russian Fallout' but its page (which is in Russian as there wasn't a confirmed English localisation) hasn't been updated since August so it may well never see the light of day.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/13 15:07:37


Post by: Avatar 720


We have about 5 potential options: Post apoc US; USSR; China; European Commonwealth; Middle East.

In my opinion, the latter two would be best done pre-great war, detailing the resource wars; I don't really think there's much that either of them could do post-war that could drive a storyline like one of the 3 great nations could.

That leaves the US, USSR, and China. The US has the setting for pretty much every FO game thus far; I think it's starting to get a little boring. By this point we know how the US survived (Vault-Tec vaults), we know what they face outside, and we know that they are capable of rebuilding, and are starting to do so. We know an awful lot about what happened in the US, but little to nothing about anywhere else.

The USSR and China are the only other potential places where a post-war FO game could reliably be set. I'm all for either one of them, but imagine the difficulty in trying to set it in China. It'd be nice to get some idea of everything from their side for a change, but at this point it's about real-life frictions such a game could cause; Homefront, for example, changed their antagonists from China to a United Korea to avoid upsetting the former.

The USSR, despite how overdone it might be, is really the only other setting post-war FO could be done in without treading exceedingly carefully. It's either that, or an overdone US setting.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/13 16:54:18


Post by: Ninjacommando


 Avatar 720 wrote:
We have about 5 potential options: Post apoc US; USSR; China; European Commonwealth; Middle East.

In my opinion, the latter two would be best done pre-great war, detailing the resource wars; I don't really think there's much that either of them could do post-war that could drive a storyline like one of the 3 great nations could.

That leaves the US, USSR, and China. The US has the setting for pretty much every FO game thus far; I think it's starting to get a little boring. By this point we know how the US survived (Vault-Tec vaults), we know what they face outside, and we know that they are capable of rebuilding, and are starting to do so. We know an awful lot about what happened in the US, but little to nothing about anywhere else.

The USSR and China are the only other potential places where a post-war FO game could reliably be set. I'm all for either one of them, but imagine the difficulty in trying to set it in China. It'd be nice to get some idea of everything from their side for a change, but at this point it's about real-life frictions such a game could cause; Homefront, for example, changed their antagonists from China to a United Korea to avoid upsetting the former.

The USSR, despite how overdone it might be, is really the only other setting post-war FO could be done in without treading exceedingly carefully. It's either that, or an overdone US setting.


here is your USSR fallout game




as you said above a Chinese fallout game would get so much flak from the chinese government.

US based fallout games are fine the way they are(Fallout is suppose to be about post apoc United states), the options of going up into a Canada(part of the united states in fallout) or down to Mexico(which was invaded by the US but never annexed) are also options.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/13 22:58:34


Post by: Soladrin


I don't actually see Fallout ever going outside of North-America. Almost all of the back story is focussed on it and it's the origin of the FEV.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/14 00:39:14


Post by: Wyrmalla


Pity then that New Vegas didn't really focus on F.E.V. as much as it aught to, youknow considering that Hoover Dam was the game's centerpiece. In Van Buren that was where the New Plague was conceived, ie the substance that led to the creation of F.E.V., but the only reference to this in New Vegas is the presence of two suits of Chinese Stealth Armour (the Prisoner was to find these in a locked room, the remains of a pair of infiltrators who were imprisoned along with the scientists working there when the plague got out. In New Vegas, due to there being no Prisoner, the NCR found them instead, but forgot about them). I guess having the whole New Plague subplot would have detracted from the main story, and would have been too much of a rehash of Van Buren (where the war between the NCR and Legion took a sideline to it eventually when you found out that the New Plague had resurfaced in the wastes). Still, it'd be nice if the New Plague had a larger emphasis, at least through references to the pre war world, in later Fallout games, particularly if New Vegas' sequel is set in Denver, where the Chinese infiltrators accidentally unleashed it.



Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/20 06:35:03


Post by: Wyzilla


I wouldn't trust Kotaku as a source for anything unless more reliable people are reporting it as well have better sources.


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/20 10:34:31


Post by: Corpsesarefun


Kotaku isn't the world's greatest source for rumours but the article was relatively extensive...


Fallout 4 - It's Real and Set in Boston, Survivor 2299 Still a Hoax @ 2013/12/20 11:07:07


Post by: Wyzilla


 Corpsesarefun wrote:
Kotaku isn't the world's greatest source for rumours but the article was relatively extensive...


That doesn't improve anything when Kotaku is concerned.