I have heard a lot off people say they like drinking and playing been to a few trounys where drinking was allowed. i can't see why you want to get drunk and play. So why do people drink and play
Knocking a few beers back, or even a six-pack back, during a three-to-four hour game is no big deal. Unless you're particularly susceptible to alcohol, or an inexperienced drinker, you won't notice much of any effect over that period of time in that amounts.
This is a beer and pretzels game. That said while my friends and I have drank many times, even at the game store during special 21+ late game nights(awesome when a regular worked at a bar) I have never seen anyone playing get totally drunk. We still have to drive home after all.
Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
I don't consume alcohol, as it's contraindicated by the yellow and black warning label on my antipsychotics. Also, I have some secrets that are starting to slip out more and more every time I stay up all night, and they're the kind of secrets that I REALLY don't want my family to know, and I fear that alcohol will loosen my tongue too much to keep those secrets inside.
My regular (only) opponent only drinks wine when she drinks alcohol, and even then only a little at family social events like Christmas dinner and such. Most of the time she drinks tea.
In games at home or at a friend's, we always have a few drinks, son the pirate hats and crack open the rum. I think once in the past year we've gotten drunk whilst playing, and that was a 6 man apocalypse game that lasted a looooooong time. Needless to say, not one of us made any smart tactical decisions after the 4th hour.
As people have said though, drinking alcohol and being drunk are not mutually exclusive. If I take a girl out, I'll take her for a drink, but I won't get drunk, it's the sign of the child to drink to get drunk.
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
Getting drunk is just one of the activities which may be involved with drinking- however, with wargaming alcohol is most often referenced in a "Beer and Pretzels" manner, and you need to be areal lightweight to get drunk off of beer. Rather, the beer serves simply as a relaxing drink to calm nerves, and loosen social awkwardness. Also, it is a tasty drink that isn't sugary, assuming you drink real beer (such as Guiness, Corona or Schwartzbock).
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
While getting drunk is one of the effects of imbibing too much alcohol, it is not the point to throw back a few brewskies and roll some dice.
Now if you had asked, "Why do people get drunk when they drink while playing 40k" I'd have answered, "Because these rules only make sense when hammered.
Perhaps the OP has never tasted the sweet sweet nectar of the Gods, or maybe just has a happy stress free life?
Or rather these particular tourneys decide to get a liquor license so as to attract a certain age group? I myself find the idea of playing Warhammer with a child other than my own kin to be sort of creepy. I'm 28 years old, why on earth would I play 40k against anyone not of the legal age? Unless of course my kid cousin wanted to play, or maybe if I owned a store and some kids wanted to learn then yeah sure. Maybe the alcohol is just there to keep the kiddies away.
When I host games at my house there is usually booze, but it's not like we get drunk. Minis and gravity ya know? Don't need any help with that right? It's just a social thing and you can choose to engage in it or not. At least if there is alcohol involved there is a good reason for two grown men to argue about the positioning of a tiny plastic toy.
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
Some people drink because they like what they are drinking. I love a good pint of guiness, especially when at the home office in Dublin as it just tastes better over there. I also love good craft beers and the like, but don't just drink them to get hammered. Definitely not a one size fits all proposition. If you get drunk every time you drink any alcohol you've got other problems. Was initially bothered at losing my old circle of friends in my divorce until I realized that often I was the only sober person in the group at most events. Go to the bar everyone was getting hammered. Go bowling and every one had alcohol in their gatorade bottles. Just got tiresome and ultimately glad it is in my past now. We often have beer or cider around for gaming. It is relaxing and tasty. No one is getting drunk, though, and if they do they are forced to give up their keys and sleep on the couch. Not going to drink at a tourney I've paid money to enter and hope to win though, because yes it does impact your thinking when you've had too much. Some people don't know when enough is enough, though and should probably avoid alcohol all together, but such is the nature of alcoholism...
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Sir Samuel Buca wrote: Needless to say, not one of us made any smart tactical decisions after the 4th hour.
This happens in 6 player apocalypse games in the 4th hour *without* the alcohol too.
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
That is not the point to drinking, no. Rather, it is not the only point to drinking. I can have a beer or a glass of wine or a mixed drink with dinner, and not be attempting to get drunk, it's simply complimentary to the meal. I can go hang out with friends and have a few drinks at a bar or a club, and not have the intention (or desire) to get drunk.
Drunkenness is the result of over-consumption of alcohol. You can consume alcohol to reasonable limits (based on your biology and resistance to alcohol) and not get drunk rather easily.
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
some people like my self enjoy the taste of fine beers or ciders. I love to kick back and a have a nice cold apple cider on a long day
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
When you have a good beer, you don't want to get drunk, because that's a waste of good beer.
If you aim to get drunk, go for the cheapo store-brand gak. Personally, I like either a cold refreshing beer on a warm day/evening/night or some cider (which I only get very rarely, since I'm only 17).
Historically, alcoholic drinks are used to "wet the tongue" (make you more sociable).
Makumba wrote: No law that punishs consuming alkohol near non adults or in public places .
Try again. Alcohol laws in the U.S. disallow alcohol possession/consumption in public which would include hobby shops. In private homes, it's your business though.
Makumba wrote: No law that punishs consuming alkohol near non adults or in public places .
Try again. Alcohol laws in the U.S. disallow alcohol possession/consumption in public which would include hobby shops. In private homes, it's your business though.
The UK is a little lax on the whole drinking thing. For places where alcohol can be purchased, you need licencing to determine wether peple are allowed to drink in that building, but in most public places it's up to the owners of that location to allow/disallow drinking.
So long as you don't become D+D (drunk and disorderly), or get so drunk you can't even take care of yourself, it's generally okay to drink.
Makumba wrote: No law that punishs consuming alkohol near non adults or in public places .
Try again. Alcohol laws in the U.S. disallow alcohol possession/consumption in public which would include hobby shops. In private homes, it's your business though.
Makumba isn't from the US, though, so what he posted is correct for where he is from.
It's a nice way of relaxing during the game and helps keeps things fun, even if you aren't getting drunk.
Although me and my buddy have nights where we get "Warhammered". Split a 24, play a 4k planetstrike game. If you aren't done your beer by the end of each players turn you have to finish yours and grab another. There are always some silly tactical mistakes made towards the end.
Haha a cold one is all good during a game of 40k - it's just part of the fun of having the day/evening off and chilling with your mates. The day I take my 40k so seriously as to not savour a beer and a cigar while playing is the day I hang up my paintbrushes and gaming boards for good!
Makumba wrote: No law that punishs consuming alkohol near non adults or in public places .
Try again. Alcohol laws in the U.S. disallow alcohol possession/consumption in public which would include hobby shops. In private homes, it's your business though.
Maybe where you live, but this is not true where I live. We have video arcades that serve beer by the pitcher here in Seattle.
Last drunkhammer game I played we used our bottles for in game effect.
At the end of your turn you could put down your bottle as a piece of LOS blocking impassable terrain anywhere outside of 6" from friendly or enemy forces.
ductvader wrote: Last drunkhammer game I played we used our bottles for in game effect.
At the end of your turn you could put down your bottle as a piece of LOS blocking impassable terrain anywhere outside of 6" from friendly or enemy forces.
Not game breaking...but made it interesting.
That... is actually pretty awesome. Was here any room on the board by the time the game was finished?
ductvader wrote: Last drunkhammer game I played we used our bottles for in game effect.
At the end of your turn you could put down your bottle as a piece of LOS blocking impassable terrain anywhere outside of 6" from friendly or enemy forces.
Not game breaking...but made it interesting.
That... is actually pretty awesome. Was here any room on the board by the time the game was finished?
Yes, as once or twice I chose not to relinquish my beverage.
Because playing 40k is one of the few times my wife doesnt want to be involved, so the guys and i can drink and have fun. We aren't the most competitive mind you, this is fun guy time.
ductvader wrote: How many of your guy's wives are still hoping we'll grow out of this game...?
Mrs. Blacksails paints a mean Farseer! She doesn't play really, but she enjoys painting and the aesthetics of the models. So I pawn off my characters to her to paint so at least they look good.
Sorry, I should clarify, no, she isn't hoping I grow out of it.
Our local group has recently decided to have an Adults Only night that will involved plenty of booze, cigars, and swear words. Most likely. Just a bunch of dudes escaping reality for a bit, rolling some dice, and just relaxing. Oh, and this thing. We made up a new Warlord table to make Boozehammer a real deal:
Boozehound Traits: 1: Fearless Imbiber - All units within 12" of your Warlord may use his Morale for any and all leadership tests. If a unit successfully uses the Warlord's leadership to pass a test, then the opponent must finish their drink. Adversely, if a unit fails the test the owning player must finish their drink.
2: Orbital Booze Barrage - One use only. The owning player can declare an Orbital Strike (S10, AP1, Infinite Range, Ignores Cover, Barrage, Large Blast) during their Shooting Phase. After the attack is concluded, add up the number of models (vehicles are considered to be equal to their hull points) removed from play and multiply by 2. The owning player must chug for that many seconds. For example, the Orbital Strike removes 3 Space Marines, thus the Space Marine player must chug for 6 seconds.
3: Drink Decider - Whenever your Warlord wins a challenge, you can choose your opponent's next drink. Adversely, if your Warlord loses a challenge, your opponent chooses your drink. Additionally, if your Warlord kills a model with Precision Shots/Strikes, you may choose your opponent's next drink.
4: Beer Goggles - Your Warlord and any units within 6" of his unit have the Night Fighting or Tank Hunter special rule so long as the controlling player is chugging his drink. To benefit from this trait, all dice must be rolled whilst the controlling player is simultaneously chugging and rolling.
5: Crossing the Rubicon - One use only. Must be used at the start of a game turn. For one full game turn, any 1's rolled require your opponent to take a drink.
6: Alcohol Poisoning - Your Warlord (not his unit) counts as having Poisoned (3+) Shooting and Close Combat attacks. However, for every enemy killed by your Warlord (not his unit), you must chug their points value divided by two. For example, your Warlord kills a unit of 10 Guardsmen (50 points) and now you must chug for 25 seconds.
ductvader wrote: How many of your guy's wives are still hoping we'll grow out of this game...?
A large chunk of my army is older then my marriage. It's one of my hobbies, keeps me happy, and The Wife likes it when I'm happy. She encourages me to get out and play, as long as it doesn't conflict with her schedule for my time (which, admittedly, is often)
On the topic of drinking while gaming: Yes, when at home/ friend's home, but not at the FLGS. We drink in moderation. One of the guys dabbles in home-brewing. A few good beers, friends, and games is a great way to spend the day. But we are all reasonable adults, so know out limits.
mr_bruno wrote: 6: Alcohol Poisoning - Your Warlord (not his unit) counts as having Poisoned (3+) Shooting and Close Combat attacks. However, for every enemy killed by your Warlord (not his unit), you must chug their points value divided by two. For example, your Warlord kills a unit of 10 Guardsmen (50 points) and now you must chug for 25 seconds.
Say the warlord kills a fully kitted out Daemon Prince, around 300 pts give or take. Has anyone chugged for a solid 2 and a half minutes?
mr_bruno wrote: 6: Alcohol Poisoning - Your Warlord (not his unit) counts as having Poisoned (3+) Shooting and Close Combat attacks. However, for every enemy killed by your Warlord (not his unit), you must chug their points value divided by two. For example, your Warlord kills a unit of 10 Guardsmen (50 points) and now you must chug for 25 seconds.
Say the warlord kills a fully kitted out Daemon Prince, around 300 pts give or take. Has anyone chugged for a solid 2 and a half minutes?
I'm sure plenty of people can chug for two and a half minutes, but of course we'll err on the side of logic and reason and let the poor schmuck come up for air during their chug. We're just here to have fun after all, not be overly strict with a silly, booze-filled table.
mr_bruno wrote: 6: Alcohol Poisoning - Your Warlord (not his unit) counts as having Poisoned (3+) Shooting and Close Combat attacks. However, for every enemy killed by your Warlord (not his unit), you must chug their points value divided by two. For example, your Warlord kills a unit of 10 Guardsmen (50 points) and now you must chug for 25 seconds.
Say the warlord kills a fully kitted out Daemon Prince, around 300 pts give or take. Has anyone chugged for a solid 2 and a half minutes?
I'm sure plenty of people can chug for two and a half minutes, but of course we'll err on the side of logic and reason and let the poor schmuck come up for air during their chug. We're just here to have fun after all, not be overly strict with a silly, booze-filled table.
You can do the clever trick of breathing through your nose between swallows
It's fun, especially when you're with good buddies.
I like how the OP says he doesn't get the point of drinking unless you're getting smashed. You can have a few drinks, feel a little looser and be totally lucid. This tells me you've never actually drank . . . like, ever. *rolls eyes*
I still hold fast to the notion that as long as it is considered 'cool' people will do it. I'm personally not a drinker, I got over it in college.
I don't consider drinking a bad thing, but mostly I get tired of going to events where it's all people talk about, "Oh, we're going to get hammered tonight", "Man, we got so wasted."... etc, like it's some kind of accomplishment.
It definitely makes venues less 'kid friendly'... not that many kids can afford this.
The reason that was all you heard was because you were in college. That is what people do in their late teens/early 20s (and those who's minds are still stuck in their late teens/early 20s).
Once you're past that stage, artisan beers and fine liquors are things to be enjoyed in their own right, not a means to an end.
im the opposite lol. i wont touch alcohol when im around 40k because i know when i get a couple drinks in me i get wild with my arms, im bound to knock something expensive over lol.
hmm must be nice . If someone tried to trink at shops or infront of shops here or worse at tournaments , someone would call the police just , because they can. We had police called on us by people from shops near our FLGS , because we drunk energy drinks and they thought it may be beer.
Psienesis wrote: The reason that was all you heard was because you were in college. That is what people do in their late teens/early 20s (and those who's minds are still stuck in their late teens/early 20s).
Once you're past that stage, artisan beers and fine liquors are things to be enjoyed in their own right, not a means to an end.
I agree with this statement. In fact, I agree with it so much that I rapidly catch up with my friends who are drinking to get drunk.
I personally don't drink but I do have a tournament ritual.
There is an awesome Philly cheese steak sandwich place across from the game shop and every tournament day during the break for lunch I get a huge Philly cheese steak and a big Dr. Pepper. Mmmmmmm...
It's honestly just as much a part of the tournament as playing warhammer is.
Why do I prefer to drink while playing 40K? After a pint or two, the rules suddenly start to make sense! It's like they were written by some drunk college frat boys. Who knew that the key to playing a fun and successful game of 40K involves copious amounts of alcohol?
I just can't see why people want to play drunk. Where the fun in that. i guess if you like not being able to walk our stand throwing up not talk straight and been mean and a jerk and just generally bad more power to you. not to mention the hangover the next when ur un able to do anything our remember what you did that night. all never play any one who drinks as i want to injoy my games
zilka86 wrote: I just can't see why people want to play drunk. Where the fun in that. i guess if you like not being able to walk our stand throwing up not talk straight and been mean and a jerk and just generally bad more power to you. not to mention the hangover the next when ur un able to do anything our remember what you did that night. all never play any one who drinks as i want to injoy my games
Are your parents alcoholics? Or have you just never seen anyone drink alcohol?
There's a difference between drinking while playing 40k and being blind drunk. Most people manage to drink responsibly, and having a few pints while playing doesn't make you vomit or act like a jerk.
Based on your language skills, though, it seems like you are about five years old, so you might figure out what this beer thing is all about when you grow up.
zilka86 wrote: I just can't see why people want to play drunk. Where the fun in that. i guess if you like not being able to walk our stand throwing up not talk straight and been mean and a jerk and just generally bad more power to you. not to mention the hangover the next when ur un able to do anything our remember what you did that night. all never play any one who drinks as i want to injoy my games
Do you understand that you can enjoy a few good beers (2-4 as an example for a relaxed evening over a few hours) and not be drunk?
I know I certainly wouldn't want to play against someone who doesn't understand that drinking does not always equate with drunkeness.
jason1977 wrote: See when GW makes new rule sets for 40k they drink so when you play its only natural that you drink as well. This way your in the same mind set......
All though I'd never drink the Bugmans home brew again, terrible beer.
Sorry type is really hard for me. my folks where not drunks . But when i got older all my friends did was drink and party and ruined ther lifes i wanted nothing to do with that life style so i i vowed never to drunk and to stay away from bars our any party. I'm 30by the way and all my ex friends still spend ever weekend at the bar our partying
zilka86 wrote: Sorry type is really hard for me. my folks where not drunks . But when i got older all my friends did was drink and party and ruined ther lifes i wanted nothing to do with that life style so i i vowed never to drunk and to stay away from bars our any party. I'm 30by the way and all my ex friends still spend ever weekend at the bar our partying
But you admit its possible for the overwhelming majority of people to drink without getting drunk? I'm not even talking tipsy, just enjoying a few brews to loosen and unwind.
zilka86 wrote: Sorry type is really hard for me. my folks where not drunks . But when i got older all my friends did was drink and party and ruined ther lifes i wanted nothing to do with that life style so i i vowed never to drunk and to stay away from bars our any party. I'm 30by the way and all my ex friends still spend ever weekend at the bar our partying
Nothing wrong with avoiding that lifestyle. You seem to be missing the fact, though, that the people responding to you in this thread ALSO have avoided that life style. They are not getting drunk and gaming. They are having a beer or a couple while enjoying time with friends gaming. There is a big difference there. Also you don't have to avoid parties just because you don't drink. Quite often I am the sober one at parties. I just never got into heavy drinking and a stint on a medication for about 3 years where alcohol consumption could have mixed badly and actually killed me really moved me even further away from drinking. I still enjoy being social, though, and go to clubs and parties often. Some people at the parties get hammered. Others stay sober. Still more fit somewhere in between those extremes. I also do still occasionally enjoy a pint of something as well.
Overally, though, you have completely missed the point that there is a big difference between having a pint with a buddy, or a couple beers while gaming and partying and drinking to excess every weekend. There are more shades to this than Completely Pissed and Completely Sober.
I like beer. I like 40k. If you can make something good better, why wouldn't you?
The question is, why DON'T you drink and game?
Col. Dash wrote: This is a beer and pretzels game. That said while my friends and I have drank many times, even at the game store during special 21+ late game nights(awesome when a regular worked at a bar) I have never seen anyone playing get totally drunk. We still have to drive home after all.
The difference between our social structures. In Sweden, where I'm from, drinking a few beers (even like.. 2) and then driving that evening is more than frowned upon. On the one side, I can somewhat understand the "meh, I'm not really affected by 2 beers"-argument. or "I drive on the small roads" or "Nothing has happened, I'm a good driver."
But honestly I like our social stigma on it better. It does adle your reflexes, even if you think it doesn't. And when you're driving, 1 second later can be the difference between alive and dead, for either yourself or someone you hit.
I know I sound like a total prude to anyone living in a culture where it's accepted to have a few beers and then drive if you feel up to it, but while I'm of the opinion you can joke about anything, and hurting people's feelings is something they just need to get over, I never gamble with anyone else's life, no matter how safe the gamble is and how small the chances are that anything would happen.
I don't drink when I play 40k since I meet in a local GW, but I do have a few when I play MTG. The matches go from calm and calculated to yelling/crazed cheers when a 1/1 creature dies
Purifier wrote: The difference between our social structures. In Sweden, where I'm from, drinking a few beers (even like.. 2) and then driving that evening is more than frowned upon. On the one side, I can somewhat understand the "meh, I'm not really affected by 2 beers"-argument. or "I drive on the small roads" or "Nothing has happened, I'm a good driver."
But honestly I like our social stigma on it better. It does adle your reflexes, even if you think it doesn't. And when you're driving, 1 second later can be the difference between alive and dead, for either yourself or someone you hit.
I know I sound like a total prude to anyone living in a culture where it's accepted to have a few beers and then drive if you feel up to it, but while I'm of the opinion you can joke about anything, and hurting people's feelings is something they just need to get over, I never gamble with anyone else's life, no matter how safe the gamble is and how small the chances are that anything would happen.
Not a problem for me Purifier. Another reason I don't drink much is because I only trust myself to be the designated driver. If I am the driver to a night out, I'll have a beer when I first get there *maybe*, but then nothiing for the next 3-4 hours and I'll be perfectly sober when it is time to drive home. If the excursion is a short one then no alcohol period. I've been on excursions where the designated driver is still drinking half an hour before it is time to leave. No thanks. Some people in the US have a really weak attitude towards drinking and driving which is why we have plenty of accidents involving injuries and deaths because of it. I wish we had a much stronger social stigma against it here to be honest. Some people just don't even acknowledge the risks and have that "I haven't had any problems yet" mentality about it as you stated. Being a volunteer in the emergency services I've helped to cut out and extract enough dead and critically injured people from vehicles hit by drunks to have a low tolerance for it.
Purifier wrote: The difference between our social structures. In Sweden, where I'm from, drinking a few beers (even like.. 2) and then driving that evening is more than frowned upon. On the one side, I can somewhat understand the "meh, I'm not really affected by 2 beers"-argument. or "I drive on the small roads" or "Nothing has happened, I'm a good driver."
But honestly I like our social stigma on it better. It does adle your reflexes, even if you think it doesn't. And when you're driving, 1 second later can be the difference between alive and dead, for either yourself or someone you hit.
I know I sound like a total prude to anyone living in a culture where it's accepted to have a few beers and then drive if you feel up to it, but while I'm of the opinion you can joke about anything, and hurting people's feelings is something they just need to get over, I never gamble with anyone else's life, no matter how safe the gamble is and how small the chances are that anything would happen.
Not a problem for me Purifier. Another reason I don't drink much is because I only trust myself to be the designated driver. If I am the driver to a night out, I'll have a beer when I first get there *maybe*, but then nothiing for the next 3-4 hours and I'll be perfectly sober when it is time to drive home. If the excursion is a short one then no alcohol period. I've been on excursions where the designated driver is still drinking half an hour before it is time to leave. No thanks. Some people in the US have a really weak attitude towards drinking and driving which is why we have plenty of accidents involving injuries and deaths because of it. I wish we had a much stronger social stigma against it here to be honest. Some people just don't even acknowledge the risks and have that "I haven't had any problems yet" mentality about it as you stated. Being a volunteer in the emergency services I've helped to cut out and extract enough dead and critically injured people from vehicles hit by drunks to have a low tolerance for it.
Skriker
There's a reason Scandinavians have the longest lifespans on earth.
I hate it when other people get drunk while playing. Dont get me wrong i dont have the slightest problem with 1-2 Beer while playing. In fact thats what i normally drink during a game on our clubs wednesday game nights.
Drinking is drinking and gaming is gaming. If you want to get drunk go to a bar. You can get drunk after i handed your ass to you on the table.
zilka86 wrote: I just can't see why people want to play drunk. Where the fun in that. i guess if you like not being able to walk our stand throwing up not talk straight and been mean and a jerk and just generally bad more power to you. not to mention the hangover the next when ur un able to do anything our remember what you did that night. all never play any one who drinks as i want to injoy my games
Do you even read what people are posting? It seems like you are supplying both sides of the conversation, in your head, and then responding to what you made up.
1. Drinking and gaming does not mean getting drunk.
2. Drinking and gaming does not mean not being able to walk or stand.
3. Drinking and gaming does not mean throwing up.
4. Drinking and gaming does not mean being mean and a jerk.
5. Drinking and gaming does not mean getting a hangover or not remembering the night before.
Understand the above points and we can have a constructive conversation about alcohol and gaming. It is quite obvious that you associate ANY kind and any amount of alcohol as being HIGHLY disruptive to gaming, and that might indeed be your experience.
Just realize that your experience doesn't have to the experiences that a lot of adults have.
Based on your use of the English language and your persistent disregard of listening to the Mods concerning your post I can only assume that your are underage. Once your get a bit older your perspective might change.
Some people have "issues" with alcohol which is fine.
A friend of mine had an alcoholic for a father that abused him so he does not drink... ever. He has a very valid reason.
I have no issues with drinking a couple but got to watch it since I tend to drive out to game and the local blood alcohol limits are silly low. To be safe I would have to drink one beer and wait a good hour before driving.
It is a game that takes a little brain power so to drink and dice is begging for all manner of mess-ups.
I must admit that out of respect to those who took the time to play "a" drink would be the way to go.
I love drinking and brewing beer. I handed out some home brews at NOVA this year to guys I was playing against, and we had a jolly time. I was not in one of the higher brackets, but a buddy I went with was quite warhammered on day one and did well in his bracket.
talljosh85 wrote: I love drinking and brewing beer. I handed out some home brews at NOVA this year to guys I was playing against, and we had a jolly time. I was not in one of the higher brackets, but a buddy I went with was quite warhammered on day one and did well in his bracket.
Can I ask where do you live? Because I'm amazed you were not arrested for illegal manufacture/distribution of alcohol without a license.
Edit to add : I do have "issues" with alcohol seeing I work as a nurse and I see first hand the results of most peoples' "have a few beers and have fun" nights.
I also have issue with the majority of posters who claim that unless you are falling down drunk lying in a pool of your own vomit then you are not impaired in any way shape or form. If you have to get buzzed or drunk in order to get your brain/conscience to be quiet about telling you not to do something, then maybe you should rethink what you are about to do.
talljosh85 wrote: I love drinking and brewing beer. I handed out some home brews at NOVA this year to guys I was playing against, and we had a jolly time. I was not in one of the higher brackets, but a buddy I went with was quite warhammered on day one and did well in his bracket.
Can I ask where do you live? Because I'm amazed you were not arrested for illegal manufacture/distribution of alcohol without a license
It's absolutely legal to brew and "hand out" beer without a license throughout most of America...
talljosh85 wrote: I love drinking and brewing beer. I handed out some home brews at NOVA this year to guys I was playing against, and we had a jolly time. I was not in one of the higher brackets, but a buddy I went with was quite warhammered on day one and did well in his bracket.
Can I ask where do you live? Because I'm amazed you were not arrested for illegal manufacture/distribution of alcohol without a license
It's absolutely legal to brew and "hand out" beer without a license throughout most of America...
About 34 states require you to have a license for self distribution.
Edit to add : MI does not require license to distribute home brewed stuff. This is off topic so please let's do not continue this line of thought.
zilka86 wrote: I just can't see why people want to play drunk. Where the fun in that. i guess if you like not being able to walk our stand throwing up not talk straight and been mean and a jerk and just generally bad more power to you. not to mention the hangover the next when ur un able to do anything our remember what you did that night. all never play any one who drinks as i want to injoy my games
Do you even read what people are posting? It seems like you are supplying both sides of the conversation, in your head, and then responding to what you made up.
1. Drinking and gaming does not mean getting drunk.
2. Drinking and gaming does not mean not being able to walk or stand.
3. Drinking and gaming does not mean throwing up.
4. Drinking and gaming does not mean being mean and a jerk.
5. Drinking and gaming does not mean getting a hangover or not remembering the night before.
Understand the above points and we can have a constructive conversation about alcohol and gaming. It is quite obvious that you associate ANY kind and any amount of alcohol as being HIGHLY disruptive to gaming, and that might indeed be your experience.
Just realize that your experience doesn't have to the experiences that a lot of adults have.
Based on your use of the English language and your persistent disregard of listening to the Mods concerning your post I can only assume that your are underage. Once your get a bit older your perspective might change.
Try reading Zilka's posts across any board. This is how he is. He has created some threads that have gotten others into interesting conversations, and that's as far as his contribution to these forums go. He will echo the same sentiments he started with no matter what is said.
Skriker wrote: If I am the driver to a night out, I'll have a beer when I first get there *maybe*, but then nothiing for the next 3-4 hours and I'll be perfectly sober when it is time to drive home. If the excursion is a short one then no alcohol period.
That's pretty much spot on for the attitude that Scandinavians in general have for drinking and driving. People that have the other attitude are about as rare as you seem to be in the USA They do exist.
Edit to add : I do have "issues" with alcohol seeing I work as a nurse and I see first hand the results of most peoples' "have a few beers and have fun" nights.
I also have issue with the majority of posters who claim that unless you are falling down drunk lying in a pool of your own vomit then you are not impaired in any way shape or form. If you have to get buzzed or drunk in order to get your brain/conscience to be quiet about telling you not to do something, then maybe you should rethink what you are about to do.
If you're a nurse and this bad at reading, you're gonna end up killing someone by thinking that doctor's note said grape juice, not saline for the IV drip.
Edit to add : I do have "issues" with alcohol seeing I work as a nurse and I see first hand the results of most peoples' "have a few beers and have fun" nights.
I also have issue with the majority of posters who claim that unless you are falling down drunk lying in a pool of your own vomit then you are not impaired in any way shape or form. If you have to get buzzed or drunk in order to get your brain/conscience to be quiet about telling you not to do something, then maybe you should rethink what you are about to do.
If you're a nurse and this bad at reading, you're gonna end up killing someone by thinking that doctor's note said grape juice, not saline for the IV drip.
Oh-ho-ho! Better check yourself into the burn ward, AW, because that was deep partial thickness burns!
zilka86 wrote: Still shocked so many people are say they don't get drunk i thought the point of drinking is to get drunk why i will never touch the stuff i one all the trounys i went to when people are drinking because the can't think straight
While getting drunk is one of the effects of imbibing too much alcohol, it is not the point to throw back a few brewskies and roll some dice.
Now if you had asked, "Why do people get drunk when they drink while playing 40k" I'd have answered, "Because these rules only make sense when hammered.
Or in Space Wolves players case - Mead!
Only drink worth quaffing (remember a third has to be deposited outside the mouth to qualify as genuine quaffing)
Edit: for real our club meets for 18+ members on a Wednesday night in a Mexican Cantina, beer and loaded nachos are the only way to go in that kind of atmosphere
I don't drink. have never so much as even tasted an alcoholic beverage in my entire life.
that said, I don't mind playing with people who are drnking while they play so long as they don't get drunk.
myself, I love to have a full throttle while playing
EVIL INC wrote: I don't drink. have never so much as even tasted an alcoholic beverage in my entire life.
that said, I don't mind playing with people who are drnking while they play so long as they don't get drunk.
myself, I love to have a full throttle while playing
Your loss. I'd say enjoying a good stout is something akin to really enjoying an amazing steak. Has a full taste with several different flavour experiences starting from when you first smell it until the aftertaste after swallowing the mouthful.
But hey, you have your reasons and as long as they make sense to you, you should stick to them.
Never be afraid to re-evaluate your values, but always stick to them while they hold true, I say.
EVIL INC wrote: I don't drink. have never so much as even tasted an alcoholic beverage in my entire life.
that said, I don't mind playing with people who are drnking while they play so long as they don't get drunk.
myself, I love to have a full throttle while playing
You should probably try some sort of booze, Full Throttle/Energy drinks is just over priced poison in a big can.
I don't drink either - I used to though. I know I'm not missing out on anything by not drinking. I used to spend £40 on a cheap night out - nowadays I prefer to spend my money on grey plastic crack
EVIL INC wrote: I don't drink. have never so much as even tasted an alcoholic beverage in my entire life. that said, I don't mind playing with people who are drnking while they play so long as they don't get drunk. myself, I love to have a full throttle while playing
You should probably try some sort of booze, Full Throttle/Energy drinks is just over priced poison in a big can.
Alcohol is an *actual* poison in a glass/can - thats why if you try really hard you can get alchohol poisoning
My family has a lot of alcoholics in it and I grew up hearing stories of things my family members have done while drinking. Ripping out people's eyes leaving others for dead in alleys (being left for dead in lleys)and so on ad so forth. I am afraid of myself and what I would be capable of under the influence.My personality is that I would drink just to have something to do (you RARELY see me without a can of pop in my hand of close by and I drink it just because it is there. I would also drink till I was not thirsty any more.
So, to me it is a safety issue and at my age, a matter of pride that I have lived my life that way.
Not saying it is bad or 'wrong", just that I know it would be bad for me if I drank.
yes, I know my caffeine habit is an unhealthy vice that might kill me. I figure it will kill me slower and be safer for others. lol
PredaKhaine wrote: I don't drink either - I used to though. I know I'm not missing out on anything by not drinking. I used to spend £40 on a cheap night out - nowadays I prefer to spend my money on grey plastic crack
EVIL INC wrote: I don't drink. have never so much as even tasted an alcoholic beverage in my entire life.
that said, I don't mind playing with people who are drnking while they play so long as they don't get drunk.
myself, I love to have a full throttle while playing
You should probably try some sort of booze, Full Throttle/Energy drinks is just over priced poison in a big can.
Alcohol is an *actual* poison in a glass/can - thats why if you try really hard you can get alchohol poisoning
Blasphemy! Red wine is very good for you and your heart, and Beer has yeast in it... so it has to be healthy It's what you mix your liquor with that can be considered poison.
I used to drink soda so much. So long as it wasn't a variety I couldn't stand, if it was in the house, I'd drink it. Going out to dinner at a restaurant? Soda. Going out shopping? Pick up a bottle of soda to drink. Weekly grocery shopping? Pick up a supply of soft drinks that would be best consumed in a week or two but ends up gone after two days. We used to joke that A&W could make a profit supplying a pipeline of root beer to our house.
It ruined my teeth (combined with a total lack of brushing and dentist visits for several years) and may have given me fatty liver disease. I say may have because my last visit to the doctor about my blood tests showed my liver getting worse, and she mentioned that it might be my meds (long term antipsychotic use starting at a relatively young age). The previous thinking was that it was from many years of drinking soft drinks so much that water was like a special treat instead of a normal beverage.
I did manage to switch to tea, and then hot chocolate, but they both keep me up all night - as does soda these days.
The game club I go to when I'm home is in a pub, so there is social drinking going on.
I don't personally, because I'll be driving to the venue, but others do, and it doesn't bother me.
No smoking though, because that's banned in Scotland, and has been for some time.
Pouncey wrote: I used to drink soda so much. So long as it wasn't a variety I couldn't stand, if it was in the house, I'd drink it. Going out to dinner at a restaurant? Soda. Going out shopping? Pick up a bottle of soda to drink. Weekly grocery shopping? Pick up a supply of soft drinks that would be best consumed in a week or two but ends up gone after two days. We used to joke that A&W could make a profit supplying a pipeline of root beer to our house.
It ruined my teeth (combined with a total lack of brushing and dentist visits for several years) and may have given me fatty liver disease. I say may have because my last visit to the doctor about my blood tests showed my liver getting worse, and she mentioned that it might be my meds (long term antipsychotic use starting at a relatively young age). The previous thinking was that it was from many years of drinking soft drinks so much that water was like a special treat instead of a normal beverage.
I did manage to switch to tea, and then hot chocolate, but they both keep me up all night - as does soda these days.
You need water, my friend. Most of us do. lol. And I know that sounds like a "OH REALLY?" type of thing, but this is what I'm doing. I'm not buying bottled water because the plastic taints the water, and then your body when you drink it. Drinking soda out of plastic increases this effect even worse. The chemical released is called dioxin (sp?) and it is a carcinogen primarily found in breast cancer. An interesting study not to long ago showed that men in America are showing more signs of breast cancer than women, and that more men drink their sodas out of a plastic bottle. That is what lead to the study on dioxin.
So I'm treating my own water and fortifying it with fruits and vegetables. Now I have healthy water that's almost like medicine in and of itself. Once I get this process streamlined, I plan on giving this stuff away to my neighborhood and seeing exactly how quickly our combined health turns around. So far, it's had staggering results.
Don't buy your solutions from the store. Make them at home.
Pouncey wrote: I used to drink soda so much. So long as it wasn't a variety I couldn't stand, if it was in the house, I'd drink it. Going out to dinner at a restaurant? Soda. Going out shopping? Pick up a bottle of soda to drink. Weekly grocery shopping? Pick up a supply of soft drinks that would be best consumed in a week or two but ends up gone after two days. We used to joke that A&W could make a profit supplying a pipeline of root beer to our house.
It ruined my teeth (combined with a total lack of brushing and dentist visits for several years) and may have given me fatty liver disease. I say may have because my last visit to the doctor about my blood tests showed my liver getting worse, and she mentioned that it might be my meds (long term antipsychotic use starting at a relatively young age). The previous thinking was that it was from many years of drinking soft drinks so much that water was like a special treat instead of a normal beverage.
I did manage to switch to tea, and then hot chocolate, but they both keep me up all night - as does soda these days.
You need water, my friend. Most of us do. lol. And I know that sounds like a "OH REALLY?" type of thing, but this is what I'm doing. I'm not buying bottled water because the plastic taints the water, and then your body when you drink it. Drinking soda out of plastic increases this effect even worse. The chemical released is called dioxin (sp?) and it is a carcinogen primarily found in breast cancer. An interesting study not to long ago showed that men in America are showing more signs of breast cancer than women, and that more men drink their sodas out of a plastic bottle. That is what lead to the study on dioxin.
So I'm treating my own water and fortifying it with fruits and vegetables. Now I have healthy water that's almost like medicine in and of itself. Once I get this process streamlined, I plan on giving this stuff away to my neighborhood and seeing exactly how quickly our combined health turns around. So far, it's had staggering results.
Don't buy your solutions from the store. Make them at home.
When I drink water, I usually just drink it from a glass and get the water from the tap.
didn't mention anything about drinking soda or water from bottles being a dangerous source of dioxins. It points to the fat in meat and dairy and fish and shellfish, as well as poor incinerators, volcanic eruptions, forest fires, and byproducts from certain industrial processes.
EVIL INC wrote: My family has a lot of alcoholics in it and I grew up hearing stories of things my family members have done while drinking.
I've got alcoholics on both sides (Father and mother's sides). My brother is one. If there's a genetic predisposition towards it, I'm screwed.
All it did was make me more aware of my limitations when it comes to drinking. I will go out, I'll have a couple, but I stop and stick to softer stuff - rigid self discipline probably helps, here. I don't get angry drunk (brother does), I just get sleepy. I haven't actually been drunk to the point of falling over in decades. My limit is usually 5-6 beers in a day (that's 15-16 hours). I'm not a chugger and that's done maybe once a year.
I don't really drink so yeah, occasionally I'll have a puff of something though and I certainly won't tell my opponent off for cracking open a cold one.
Edit to add : I do have "issues" with alcohol seeing I work as a nurse and I see first hand the results of most peoples' "have a few beers and have fun" nights.
I also have issue with the majority of posters who claim that unless you are falling down drunk lying in a pool of your own vomit then you are not impaired in any way shape or form. If you have to get buzzed or drunk in order to get your brain/conscience to be quiet about telling you not to do something, then maybe you should rethink what you are about to do.
If you're a nurse and this bad at reading, you're gonna end up killing someone by thinking that doctor's note said grape juice, not saline for the IV drip.
Be sure to wake me up when you quote someone who actually intellectually defended getting drunk as an activity that should be lauded as "mature".
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
But anyways, when you're at home/with friends, feel free to do whatever brings joy
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
DanFST wrote: I'll drink whatever i want. I'm fed up of this culture where I have to feel bad about what I do, because it may hurt me.
No one really gives a feth if you drink yourself to death in your own home. The world is just tired of you taking other people with you when you do hurt yourself.
I don't think I need to mention incidents of spousal abuse, child abuse, molestation, drunk driving accidents, drunk driving fatalities, bar fights, TMZ flash-cam shots, that entire group of rednecks who drink before dragging a (insert person) down the street from the back of their truck, all the deaths that were incurred through Prohibition, which was the banning of alcohol for all of it's evil done (which alcoholics were so upset about they threw tantrums all across the country until it was legal again)...
no, you're right. Alcohol doesn't hurt people.
And then you know, there are all of those bartenders, strippers, poker players, musicians, comedians, etc. who played at places that let you smoke, who they themselves don't smoke, and then just dropped dead from second-hand cancer. Oh, and continue to drop dead from second-hand smoke in parts of the country that haven't adopted this crock of legislation.
You know what the causes of cancer are? The urea, carcinogens, cyanide, petroleum byproducts and all the other crap they put in cigarettes. THAT is what kills you. Plain tobacco? A little harder to die from. But then let's ignore the fact that the same CO2 coming out of cigarette is dumped out of every combustion engine on the planet at a rate of 500 : 1 OVER cigarettes. But don't let my second-hand bother you're liver hardening while you violently get up to punch me in the face for smoking outside, because that's where you alche's have shoved us.
But then I haven't really been talking about cigarettes, at the start. I was actually referring to cannabis, which has ZERO fatalities in users who did not already have a pre-disposed allergy or took it with something else (like PCP or Cocaine, as common examples). And then we can also ignore all of the history to why hemp is illegal (which has to do with the Paper industry and not health reasons, which are all bogus anyways).
And about the WHO and FAO (who are on-par with each other about a lot of stupid things); those are the same organizations who, under the premise of Agenda 21, have also listed "vitamins" and "nutrients" as "toxins" and "poisons," who also say that food animals must be treated with substandard anti-biotics and animal growth hormones, who also says that GMO's are the only sustainable food sources left on the planet.
Yeah. I'll take my chances with my own treated water. It's been having better results. And on that topic, here are some more links to peruse before I bounce on this topic for getting grossly off topic and doing what I didn't want to do in the first place; particularly because I can already see all the rebuttal propaganda coming now.
"You know better than WHO/FAO?"
"Who da'faq are u!?"
"SCREW YOU POTHEAD!"
Alche's can be so violent sometimes. ;>>
Edit: Before posting actually, lol: Another part of Agenda 21 and WHO/FAO involvement is another program called (ironically being put here) Codex Allimentarius.
Sorry they are all YouTube links. If you want to know more, do your research. That's what I did. So here is just some quick finds. The bottom bunch are from Dick Greggory talking about Now and Then and the ones closer to the top are about WHO/FAO involvment in Codex Allimentarius and Agenda 21.
Keep in mind too, Congress has green lighted both of these programs. So has the UN. This sh!t is happening NOW. Believe me or not, all you have to do is look around to know the truth. But then that's up to you.
And ask yourself this question: Who do you want to believe? A multibillion dollar corporation that doesn't know you exist, doesn't care about you, doesn't even want you interfering with their operations? Or a person that sees suffering and wants better for everyone, himself, his children and all of his species? Because that's the difference between me and Nike or Monsanto or Halliburton or the Presidency or any other monetized operation in the world.
Repeat after me: We are better than this. I believe in you.
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
Being drunk and doing drunken things is a result of overuse of alcohol, not a direct effect of it.
Breathing problems, however, are a direct result of second hand smoke...
Blacksails wrote: Again, its a good thing no one in this thread is advocating drinking past the point of stupidity.
But hey, strawmans and all that.
It's not strawman. This was put up directly in response to the alcohol drinkers folly that drinking is somehow better for everyone than smoking and it's not. Not by a long shot. In fact, even if you're just drinking socially or what not, it is still having lasting negative effects on not just you but our entire society and generations to come by rat-fxcking the human DNA sequence! Ever hear of fetal alcohol syndrome?
Alcohol is a poison. Sure, as adults, we get to pick our poisons, but don't get self-righteous about it when your drug of choice is more dangerous than cocaine or marijuana. ESPECIALLY after giving us so much sh!t for just smoking tobacco. Until beer and wine drinkers join us outside, it is hypocrisy. Point blank. Flat out.
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
Being drunk and doing drunken things is a result of overuse of alcohol, not a direct effect of it.
Breathing problems, however, are a direct result of second hand smoke...
Are you really arguing that unless someone drops dead because they stood next to a person who drank a shot/pint of whatever instead of coming face to bumper with a drunk fella that alcohol had no effect on their life?
zilka86 wrote: I have heard a lot off people say they like drinking and playing been to a few trounys where drinking was allowed. i can't see why you want to get drunk and play.
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
Being drunk and doing drunken things is a result of overuse of alcohol, not a direct effect of it.
Breathing problems, however, are a direct result of second hand smoke...
Are you really arguing that unless someone drops dead because they stood next to a person who drank a shot/pint of whatever instead of coming face to bumper with a drunk fella that alcohol had no effect on their life?
What!?
I'm arguing about the immediate impact on another person when you drink/smoke in their vicinity. I'm not saying that drinking is 100% good...
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
Being drunk and doing drunken things is a result of overuse of alcohol, not a direct effect of it.
Breathing problems, however, are a direct result of second hand smoke...
Or poor air quality in a city, or asthma, or inhaling polyurethane and petroleum products, or cow farts!
Guys. Seriously. Second hand is not that bad. You breath in more CO2 driving your car with the windows down than you do standing next to someone smoking a cigarrette. Be real. What ya'll don't like is the smell, and we don't like the way ya'll smell either, so get over it.
And besides that, we've made an advancement in smoking! It's called the vaporizor. But you know what? That doesn't produce CO2 or even a smell, and we are still being bagged on for smoking! Smoking something healthy of all things!! The hypocrisy continues.
zilka86 wrote: I have heard a lot off people say they like drinking and playing been to a few trounys where drinking was allowed. i can't see why you want to get drunk and play.
Why do people like to get drunk and do anything?
Alcohol eliminates a person's inhibitions to a point where they can really talk themselves into doing anything. Don't let that conscience get in the way of your fun, especially when it comes at the expense of someone else.
Blacksails wrote: Again, its a good thing no one in this thread is advocating drinking past the point of stupidity.
But hey, strawmans and all that.
It's not strawman. This was put up directly in response to the alcohol drinkers folly that drinking is somehow better for everyone than smoking and it's not. Not by a long shot. In fact, even if you're just drinking socially or what not, it is still having lasting negative effects on not just you but our entire society and generations to come by rat-fxcking the human DNA sequence! Ever hear of fetal alcohol syndrome?
Alcohol is a poison. Sure, as adults, we get to pick our poisons, but don't get self-righteous about it when your drug of choice is more dangerous than cocaine or marijuana. ESPECIALLY after giving us so much sh!t for just smoking tobacco. Until beer and wine drinkers join us outside, it is hypocrisy. Point blank. Flat out.
I don't think anyone was arguing alcohol is better for you than smoking. My understanding was that smoking in a confined space next to a non-smoker is infinitely more irritating (and unhealthy due to second hand smoke) than someone enjoying a cold one.
That's all I got out of it anyways. Maybe I'm not over-reacting enough though.
zilka86 wrote: I have heard a lot off people say they like drinking and playing been to a few trounys where drinking was allowed. i can't see why you want to get drunk and play.
Why do people like to get drunk and do anything?
Alcohol eliminates a person's inhibitions to a point where they can really talk themselves into doing anything. Don't let that conscience get in the way of your fun, especially when it comes at the expense of someone else.
Which is pretty much every drunk I've ever been around, whether it's the stumble-bum having fun or the a-hole that got into a fight because it felt good at the time. Screw that noise. Get high and save a life. Mostly your own.
I'm currently having a game with a mate and I've just remembered this thread. We're coming up to turn 5 (he's winning incase you're wondering) and, shock horror, we're having a few drinks as we play. We have music on, both are in work tomorrow and both adults. Neither of us is drunk, yet are enjoying a bottle of spiced and a good game.
Can we please end the argument about drinking to get drunk now? As people have said, alcohol can be drank because you enjoy the taste, personally I like the relaxation a couple of drinks gives in the right environment, the taste of what I drink, and feeling like a grown up whilst I play with my toy soldiers.
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
Being drunk and doing drunken things is a result of overuse of alcohol, not a direct effect of it.
Breathing problems, however, are a direct result of second hand smoke...
Are you really arguing that unless someone drops dead because they stood next to a person who drank a shot/pint of whatever instead of coming face to bumper with a drunk fella that alcohol had no effect on their life?
What!?
I'm arguing about the immediate impact on another person when you drink/smoke in their vicinity. I'm not saying that drinking is 100% good...
No need to overreact...
My apologies for jumping to conclusions about you .
zilka86 wrote: I have heard a lot off people say they like drinking and playing been to a few trounys where drinking was allowed. i can't see why you want to get drunk and play.
Why do people like to get drunk and do anything?
Alcohol eliminates a person's inhibitions to a point where they can really talk themselves into doing anything. Don't let that conscience get in the way of your fun, especially when it comes at the expense of someone else.
Which is pretty much every drunk I've ever been around, whether it's the stumble-bum having fun or the a-hole that got into a fight because it felt good at the time. Screw that noise. Get high and save a life. Mostly your own.
I feel compelled to reiterate drinking =/= drunk...
I may have lost track of this particular mini-debate though...
Selym 565266 6295598 wrote:
Hardly hypocrisy when smoking directly impacts the health of those around it, and drinking does not...
I'll be sure to tell all those people killed by drunk drivers and their families that it wasn't someone's drinking that impacted their health. They really should let that anti drinking thing go.
Being drunk and doing drunken things is a result of overuse of alcohol, not a direct effect of it.
Breathing problems, however, are a direct result of second hand smoke...
Are you really arguing that unless someone drops dead because they stood next to a person who drank a shot/pint of whatever instead of coming face to bumper with a drunk fella that alcohol had no effect on their life?
What!?
I'm arguing about the immediate impact on another person when you drink/smoke in their vicinity. I'm not saying that drinking is 100% good...
No need to overreact...
My apologies for jumping to conclusions about you .
I think there are some people in this thread who need to calm down and take a step back.
Drinking in moderation is fine. Smoking is fine. The point made earlier was that smoking in a confined space with non-smokers is irritating and possibly hazardous to their health. That's all.
Blacksails wrote: Again, its a good thing no one in this thread is advocating drinking past the point of stupidity.
But hey, strawmans and all that.
It's not strawman. This was put up directly in response to the alcohol drinkers folly that drinking is somehow better for everyone than smoking and it's not. Not by a long shot. In fact, even if you're just drinking socially or what not, it is still having lasting negative effects on not just you but our entire society and generations to come by rat-fxcking the human DNA sequence! Ever hear of fetal alcohol syndrome?
Alcohol is a poison. Sure, as adults, we get to pick our poisons, but don't get self-righteous about it when your drug of choice is more dangerous than cocaine or marijuana. ESPECIALLY after giving us so much sh!t for just smoking tobacco. Until beer and wine drinkers join us outside, it is hypocrisy. Point blank. Flat out.
I don't think anyone was arguing alcohol is better for you than smoking. My understanding was that smoking in a confined space next to a non-smoker is infinitely more irritating (and unhealthy due to second hand smoke) than someone enjoying a cold one.
That's all I got out of it anyways. Maybe I'm not over-reacting enough though.
Are you a drinker? Because no, most drinkers don't see a problem with this. Mostly because drinkers rally with drinkers and drinking is legal, though still the most destructive habit in the world.
It's hypocrisy. Guaranteed, if prohibition came back (like it should), you'd have drinkers throwing all kinds of a fit, just like they did during prohibition. And you know what that's called? WITHDRAWAL.
Ok. Since we're apparently all hugging and moving on, I'll edit in my final point. I was keying in on the hypocrisy. The very statement that "I think smoking in a confined space with non-smokers" OK well "Drinking in a confined space with non-drinkers can be unhealthy and annoying too." That's what hypocrisy means. Recognizing a fault like that in someone else, without recognizing it in yourself first and then shutting up and dealing with the same discomforts you place on other people around you.
Rampant misuse of alcohol and the cost in lives and property it takes from the world is deserving of "over reacting" to. I'll stop over reacting when we stop putting people in the ground.
So...what's your point? Are you saying no one should drink, ever? Like an all out ban?
Or should there simply be a culture in which people are taught to enjoy things in moderation?
Again, no need to over-react. We're talking about enjoying a few beers with friends over 40k, not about society's plight of general stupidity and people who ruin things for the rest of us.
Are you a drinker? Because no, most drinkers don't see a problem with this. Mostly because drinkers rally with drinkers and drinking is legal, though still the most destructive habit in the world.
It's hypocrisy. Guaranteed, if prohibition came back (like it should), you'd have drinkers throwing all kinds of a fit, just like they did during prohibition. And you know what that's called? WITHDRAWAL.
Yes, I'm a drinker. Did I claim anywhere drinking isn't destructive when abused? Stop building strawmans, I'm not arguing about the benefits of smoking vs. alcohol. The only point is that blowing smoke in people's face over a game of 40k is more irritating than someone enjoying a cold one.
That's it.
If you want to discuss alcohol vs. smoking, please do so in the off topic forum.
Rampant misuse of alcohol and the cost in lives and property it takes from the world is deserving of "over reacting" to. I'll stop over reacting when we stop putting people in the ground.
So...what's your point? Are you saying no one should drink, ever? Like an all out ban?
Or should there simply be a culture in which people are taught to enjoy things in moderation?
Again, no need to over-react. We're talking about enjoying a few beers with friends over 40k, not about society's plight of general stupidity and people who ruin things for the rest of us.
Sorry, looks like I was too slow in deleting that before you saw it. I judged it too incendiary and hateful to keep on the page. So let me calm down for a while before I speak on this anymore as I seem to have gone off and started a different path than where the thread was originally.
Sorry, looks like I was too slow in deleting that before you saw it. I judged it too incendiary and hateful to keep on the page. So let me calm down for a while before I speak on this anymore as I seem to have gone off and started a different path than where the thread was originally.
No worries. I understand certain issues hit further home with some people than others, but its a discussion best saved for somewhere else. And probably not on the internet, where hyperbole runs rampant and emotions flare quickly.
Are you a drinker? Because no, most drinkers don't see a problem with this. Mostly because drinkers rally with drinkers and drinking is legal, though still the most destructive habit in the world.
It's hypocrisy. Guaranteed, if prohibition came back (like it should), you'd have drinkers throwing all kinds of a fit, just like they did during prohibition. And you know what that's called? WITHDRAWAL.
At the risk of igniting an overly-heated argument...
I dispute that.
You can drink regularly, and never harm anyone, due to a little thing called moderation. 1 unit/day would almost never hurt anyone, although your liver may tire out faster than usual.
But smoking, even in moderation, is an instant health hazard. Second hand smoke even from 1 cig/day can cause seriour lung problems in another human (even as far as cancer, if they're suceptible), and the impact on yourself is much higher. Coupled with the fact that nicotine (a key ingredient in tobacco products) is one of the world's most addictive drugs, you now have something that is hader to take in moderation than alcohol, thus resulting in an increased usage of it.
While alcohol can also cause cancer (pancreatic, iirc), the risk of it is far lower, and on small-scale drinking it's almost negligible.
Drunkenness, is quite dangerous, should you find yourself near any technology (cars, guns, facebook) or ledges etc, but a moderate and sensible drinker is unlikely to consume more than 4 units in an evening, and the average person metabolises 1 unit per hour. Coupled with the fact that most of the risk of harm is upon yourself, it is somewhat less dangerous than smoking.
And if we're going to argue about alcoholism, we should also take into account full smoking addiction (20+ per day anyone?).
Ok. Since we're apparently all hugging and moving on, I'll edit in my final point. I was keying in on the hypocrisy. The very statement that "I think smoking in a confined space with non-smokers" OK well "Drinking in a confined space with non-drinkers can be unhealthy and annoying too." That's what hypocrisy means. Recognizing a fault like that in someone else, without recognizing it in yourself first and then shutting up and dealing with the same discomforts you place on other people around you.
You missed this part where I had a point and not constructing arguments to be blown over by a breath. There was a point. I don't care how accepted a point of view it is that drinking is no big deal, when you start denegrating the act of smoking with "blowing it in my face" wtf? Stop breathing in my face! Oh, neither of us were doing that? I think we have a fundamental problem about how we view activities we do not ourselves participate in. Such a problem is this thing that we do not even recognize it for what it is in the first place. Out right, bold faced, blatant, pie in the sky, hypocrisy.
When I stop hearing these b.s. stats lines about how bad smoking is personally, healthily, or otherwise, then the hypocrisy will cease to be. Currently, the two things aren't even sold on the same standard, let alone looked at, so we can't even begin having this conversation until we come to an agreement about how fubar the scale of things really is, with Alcohol kicking its feet from the tresses of its high horse to anti-smoking adds proliferating every single tv channel and station in the world.
It was fine when MADD was competing with Truth.org for airtime, but now we've just dropped alcohol off the cliff entirely and don't care because that's who fills up Super Bowl airtime. That's also why there is no Marlboro Man anymore, but Crown or w/e is the hottest drink in the world. It all comes back to the same, existing problem: hypocrisy, and it starts in our own heads.
The 'blowing smoke in the face' was a bit of a joke, but I guess in the context you mistook it. Anyways, I hope you understand that being in a confined space with someone smoking is very different from being around someone who's enjoying a cold one.
I'm not going to discuss the pros and cons of smoking and drinking here, where it doesn't belong and is off topic, so we can go back to talking about enjoying some beer with 40k.
Are you a drinker? Because no, most drinkers don't see a problem with this. Mostly because drinkers rally with drinkers and drinking is legal, though still the most destructive habit in the world.
It's hypocrisy. Guaranteed, if prohibition came back (like it should), you'd have drinkers throwing all kinds of a fit, just like they did during prohibition. And you know what that's called? WITHDRAWAL.
At the risk of igniting an overly-heated argument...
I dispute that. You can drink regularly, and never harm anyone, due to a little thing called moderation. 1 unit/day would almost never hurt anyone, although your liver may tire out faster than usual. But smoking, even in moderation, is an instant health hazard. Second hand smoke even from 1 cig/day can cause seriour lung problems in another human (even as far as cancer, if they're suceptible), and the impact on yourself is much higher. Coupled with the fact that nicotine (a key ingredient in tobacco products) is one of the world's most addictive drugs, you now have something that is hader to take in moderation than alcohol, thus resulting in an increased usage of it.
While alcohol can also cause cancer (pancreatic, iirc), the risk of it is far lower, and on small-scale drinking it's almost negligible.
Drunkenness, is quite dangerous, should you find yourself near any technology (cars, guns, facebook) or ledges etc, but a moderate and sensible drinker is unlikely to consume more than 4 units in an evening, and the average person metabolises 1 unit per hour. Coupled with the fact that most of the risk of harm is upon yourself, it is somewhat less dangerous than smoking.
And if we're going to argue about alcoholism, we should also take into account full smoking addiction (20+ per day anyone?).
Alright, this is for real my last post on this thread because I'm starting to see blinders coming down now.
You can drink regularly and harm everyone. You also do create instant harm to yourself when you imbibe alcohol because the alcohol your body produces is already regulated to a very specific amount. Any more and you are technically overdosing. You drink and your liver hardens a little more. I smoke and my lungs shrink a bit more. Maybe I get cancer from 1 cigaretter and maybe you get cancer from a 6 pack. It's the same damn thing, and not even because I've already explained that the primary carcinogens in smoking are additives and not natural to tobacco itself, and this still doesn't address the real smoking agent I'm a proponent for, which is marijuana, which has no known negative side effects. Nicotine addictive? Sure. Worse than alcohol? The crap explodes in the right proportions! And you want to drink that?
One is a plant. The other is a bathtub brew. And one is scrutinized harder than the other. The fact I've even had to take this much time out to strike down the tired old "Second Hand" argument that has long since been defeated as false should tell you how totally screwed up these topics are. -__-*
And I'm done, once and for all. Shouldn't have to answer anyone or anything else.
The point was: Hypocrisy. Not, whether or not you should do it or not. If you want to drink, let me smoke. Otherwise, shut up. You're being stupid. And that's not just about Warhammer games or smoking in bars. I mean period. In my own home, on the street, in my car, in front of the god damn hospital if I want. Let us smoke. Because nothing my 5 gram cigarette has is any worse than your 40 oz bottle or 10 gallon pick-up truck.
And no; Not arguing with myself. Posted that in case whoever quoted me earlier missed that edit, since the posts are flying up now.
Just not in a confined space with a non-smoker. Second hand smoke is harmful.
For the record, I'm pro legalization of everything. If you want to show up to a game with me some level of high, go for it. I don't mind. Personally, all I'd ask is that smoke outside and not inside around me. That's it. Stop accusing everyone of hypocrisy.
Probably not. Humans would just find another chemical way of getting off. NO human society has been free of intoxicants or ways of jiggling the brain's pleasure centres. (some groups even use prayer for this. I'd just rather have a beer.)
If we couldn't drink it, we chewed it, or we smoked it. Humanity is, at its core, a group of wastoids waiting to partake.
Smoking does not necessarily cause cancer (it DID give my dad emphy, though. The daily inhaled industrial chemicals gave him cancer - poly/hexavalent chromium fumes, the acid fumes, the cyanide, the NaOH, you name it). To cap it off, some people just DON'T get cancer from smoking. My granddad died from a heart attack and stroke. He'd been smoking for 50+ years, a pack a day man. Sure, the smoking probably contributed to the stroke/heart issues, but he didn't get cancer.)
On the other hand, some humans cannot tolerate alcohol AT ALL. They cannot process it properly and it sends them into an insane rage-bot. These societies generally smoked or chewed their intoxicants (coca or betel nut, for example).
But the main reason I do it? I'm a legal adult. It's legal for me to do so. I do it within limits, and medico-legal or religious objectors will not stop me while it continues to be so. It also keeps the munchkins out of my gaming spaces. Which is a win-win, as far as I'm concerned.
Just not in a confined space with a non-smoker. Second hand smoke is harmful.
For the record, I'm pro legalization of everything. If you want to show up to a game with me some level of high, go for it. I don't mind. Personally, all I'd ask is that smoke outside and not inside around me. That's it. Stop accusing everyone of hypocrisy.
Then go drink outside, because second hand intoxication is bad for my health. And I'm not calling "everyone" a hypocrite. Just those that have a problem with second hand smoke but not second hand drinking. But let's shift gears: A closed up room you say? How about a well ventilated room? How about a room with fans and aerosol? I'd ask that for drinkers too, since after a few beers, the breath becomes rank and that fills the room, especially if someone was just a little tipsy and turned their drink over on the table.
I can do this all day, but I really don't want to because honestly it's just a little insulting that I would have to keep on at this point. And again: That's what hypocrisy is. Doing something yourself and then chastising another for it. And again, I'm not on some uber-rage tirade about how everyone should live clean and forever. Screw that. Do what you want. But don't turn around and tell me I can't do the same thing. Especially when the food we eat is worse than the cigarettes we smoke.
I can't take you seriously when you're equating having one or two beers at a game of 40k with smoking in a room with someone.
In a well ventilated room where I won't be breathing the smoke? Sure.
Be reasonable. If we're going to be talking about spilling beer as a problem, then why not also point out spilling ashes?
I'm not being hypocritical. Second hand smoke is a thing; people with asthma as an example can be put in very real harm. Again, I'm fine with you smoking at a game, I just don't want to be breathing in the second hand smoke. There is no such thing as "second hand intoxication". Bad breath is a problem with or without alcohol and affects smokers too.
Just, be reasonable. Don't make this black or white. If you had a problem with me drinking around you, I wouldn't do it, the same way I'd expect you to give me the same respect with your smoking.
*Edit* I'm also, yet again, not discussing the health issues associated with drinking or smoking. Just the second hand smoke aspect for non-smokers. Nothing more.
I can't take you seriously when you're equating having one or two beers at a game of 40k with smoking in a room with someone.
In a well ventilated room where I won't be breathing the smoke? Sure.
Be reasonable. If we're going to be talking about spilling beer as a problem, then why not also point out spilling ashes?
I'm not being hypocritical. Second hand smoke is a thing; people with asthma as an example can be put in very real harm. Again, I'm fine with you smoking at a game, I just don't want to be breathing in the second hand smoke. There is no such thing as "second hand intoxication". Bad breath is a problem with or without alcohol and affects smokers too.
Just, be reasonable. Don't make this black or white. If you had a problem with me drinking around you, I wouldn't do it, the same way I'd expect you to give me the same respect with your smoking.
*Edit* I'm also, yet again, not discussing the health issues associated with drinking or smoking. Just the second hand smoke aspect for non-smokers. Nothing more.
You're being a hypocrite, is what you are doing, and you don't even realize it yet.
"I'm not talking about health issues....Just the second hand smoke aspect for non-smokers." Which does what? Affects their health? Or no, is just really irritating like a drinker getting loud, obnoxious, knocking sh!t over and ruining the table. And then this line "people with asthma." Health issue.
Spilling ash? We have ash trays and you can blow that away. Where as alcohol will melt the color and plastic off of your models if you let it.
And what is second hand intoxication? That's where you start drinking, the room starts stinking, everyone gets loud and someone starts arguing about their football team on tv. Don't tell me it doesn't exist, because it does and sometimes it ends with a group of guys beating the tar out of some fool who had the great misfortune to just be walking by at the time. Or perhaps a smoker?
What I find interesting here though is that you don't see smokers throwing this argument up, unless we're being told by drinkers how bad and disgusting our habits are. We just want to smoke and we can't because fatty liver has a problem with some CO2 he's already exhaling, and not the CO2 coming out the back of his truck.
So, what is hypocrisy again? Demanding something from another without recognizing it in yourself? Thank you. I really hope this is the end of this now. If not, shoot me a pm and we can keep on. Also take note that it was drinkers who first started b!tching about smokers. Not the other way around. How do I know this? Because so far I'm the only smoker who seems to have made this connection so far. And that's not surprising considering how beaten over the head we are with fallacies like this. It's been easier for us to shut up and take what we get than deal with the hordes of people trying to shame us for our choices. Something that drinkers didn't do during prohibition, mind you.
If it isn't clear: I don't have a problem with Drinkers until they have a problem with Smokers because at that point, what makes you so special? Especially after the science behind second hand smoke concludes "not a damn thing." If you don't believe me, start tracing where a lot of these reports come from. You've got both sides saying they've got evidence, but one side is being sponsored by a special interest group. So it stands to reason that said special interest group would likely doctor their results to fit their purposes. And this is historically true. Otherwise the word "liar" wouldn't exist. History is full of them.
Lets assume that both the drinker and smoker are not being obnoxious. They're also not spilling whatever substance it is they're holding on to. We're also going to assume that smoking and drinking will make a room smell bad regardless.
Now that that's out of the way, and we realize that both habits can have negative aspects depending on the individual and quantity involved, the only issue then becomes how the other party feels about drinking/smoking at a game.
Working under the assumption both parties are also being reasonable and moderate in their consumption, we can assume that the drinker is not being any more loud and obnoxious than their usual self. The smoker, however, has the problem of second hand smoke, which can harmful to people, particularly those with asthma. There are workarounds to this, as we've collectively alluded to, which would solve this problem. Then everyone's happy.
Stop making this black and white. Stop accusing people of being hypocrites. Stop making this an us vs. them ordeal. It isn't any of those things.
Consider that you hate people bitching about smokers, yet you yourself are throwing a fit over drinkers. I'm not demanding anything besides respect.
I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a beer at a game, I wouldn't drink. I'd expect the same from you with smoking.
But yes, I hope we can continue this (in a civil manner) elsewhere through PM. I feel like one or both of us are a little riled up and its clouding our ability to reason properly. Again, I personally don't mind, and am pro-legalization. I'm on your side.
Lets assume that both the drinker and smoker are not being obnoxious. They're also not spilling whatever substance it is they're holding on to. We're also going to assume that smoking and drinking will make a room smell bad regardless.
Now that that's out of the way, and we realize that both habits can have negative aspects depending on the individual and quantity involved, the only issue then becomes how the other party feels about drinking/smoking at a game.
Working under the assumption both parties are also being reasonable and moderate in their consumption, we can assume that the drinker is not being any more loud and obnoxious than their usual self. The smoker, however, has the problem of second hand smoke, which can harmful to people, particularly those with asthma. There are workarounds to this, as we've collectively alluded to, which would solve this problem. Then everyone's happy.
Stop making this black and white. Stop accusing people of being hypocrites. Stop making this an us vs. them ordeal. It isn't any of those things.
Consider that you hate people bitching about smokers, yet you yourself are throwing a fit over drinkers. I'm not demanding anything besides respect.
I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a beer at a game, I wouldn't drink. I'd expect the same from you with smoking.
But yes, I hope we can continue this (in a civil manner) elsewhere through PM. I feel like one or both of us are a little riled up and its clouding our ability to reason properly. Again, I personally don't mind, and am pro-legalization. I'm on your side.
Except that second hand smoke isn't any more harmful than breathing in CO2 which is omnipresent, which is what I keep telling you and you keep ignoring. Asthma is exaggerated by second hand smoke? My stomach condition is exaggerated by the smell of alcohol, and I'm going to throw up.
This isn't black and white: It's a matter of, "If you are going to b!tch about something like that, expect to get it thrown back in your face." The only "people" I'm accusing of being a hypocrite are drinkers who think there is something wrong with smoking, beyond what their drinks can do.
Consider that I wouldn't b!tch about drinkers, if drinkers wouldn't b!tch about smokers. Which is what has happened. I'm not demanding anything besides the same amount of consideration given to drinkers, which smokers are not given, not by a long shot. You are demanding respect? Not hardly. Respect is earned and if you can't respect a smokers right, then I'm not going to respect a drinkers right either.
I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a cigarette while you were drinking, then you are a hypocrite. I'll still put the damn thing out, but you'd better be throwing that can away too.
Let's take that last sentence and flip it around to an applicable statement about myself personally. I don't walk into a hookah bar and slap the beers out of everyones hand because this is a smoking establishment and how dare you drink here. That would be being a hypocrite on my part. Instead, I shut up, let you have your drink and smoke my cigarette as discreetly as possible, because I have to or else some a-hole is going to come and tell me all about how bad my smoking is.
TheRedWingArmada wrote:I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a cigarette while you were drinking, then you are a hypocrite.
No.
No. Just no.
At no point will the smell of beer overwhelm a well maintained restaurant. At no point will a beer induce anyone to cough, or irritate their eyes. At no point will the smell of beer be soaked into your clothes.
We can leave all the health effects on the sidelines, because neither habit is particularly good for you in either the short term nor the long term. But smoking is a disgusting habit that affects everyone in your vicinity, regardless if it is done in moderation or constantly. I'll tolerate it, especially if we're in a place where it's socially acceptable, but there's no valid comparison. Never has. Never will be.
TheRedWingArmada wrote:I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a cigarette while you were drinking, then you are a hypocrite.
No.
No. Just no.
At no point will the smell of beer overwhelm a well maintained restaurant. At no point will a beer induce anyone to cough, or irritate their eyes. At no point will the smell of beer be soaked into your clothes.
We can leave all the health effects on the sidelines, [b]because neither habit is particularly good for you in either the short term nor the long term. But smoking is a disgusting habit that affects everyone in your vicinity, regardless if it is done in moderation or constantly. I'll tolerate it, especially if we're in a place where it's socially acceptable, but there's no valid comparison. Never has. Never will be.
You are right, neither is good for you. But smoking isn't good for anyone around you either.
Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Personally, I hate smoking inside. A smoke break (when both players go outside to smoke) is one of the good bits imo
I won't go for a smoke if my opponent is a non smoker though - unless they suggest taking a break. I don't like leaving someone just stood there waiting.
Being able to smoke while playing (its been illegal here a while) sounds nice, but I'd still go outside. I bought some transformers off've ebay - they came from a smoking house. I could tell because I opened the package and they smelled like an ashtray - and this is coming from a smoker. I'm not making my plastic space men stink.
I'm fine with people drinking during a game, as long as they can handle it.
mr_bruno wrote: Our local group has recently decided to have an Adults Only night that will involved plenty of booze, cigars, and swear words.
Ugh! I don't care if people want to drink while they game (I don't), but smoking at the table would be unpleasant because it affects me.
With you there bro, I can't breathe near smokers - I get coughing/gagging fits and a constant need to spit the taste out of my gob :/
Such hypocrisy in this world. -le sigh-
I reeeally want to pursue this, but it would just lead to a Smokers v. Drinkers debate that I'm not even going to pretend to entertain.
Where's the hypocrisy? Someone can stand across the table from me drinking shot after shot of tequila for all I care and it wont have the slightest effect on me - I'm not going to be breathing in unwanted tequila (other than vaguely being able to smell it). But if someone is burning something opposite me, ciggie, joint, pipe, whatever, it's going to stink the place up. I'm still going to be able to smell the stuff on my clothes when I leave! I don't see any hypocrisy - just a clear object difference that one thing only affects the person doing it, and the other affects everyone around them. Severe body odour, cigarettes, it's all the same. With the exception that the latter is also actively bad for me to get in my lungs. There's no hypocrisy here.
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TheRedWingArmada wrote: Guys. Seriously. Second hand is not that bad. You breath in more CO2 driving your car with the windows down than you do standing next to someone smoking a cigarrette. Be real. What ya'll don't like is the smell, and we don't like the way ya'll smell either, so get over it.
Bad science is bad.
Firstly, you just made that up. Secondly, CO2 is a regular part of our atmosphere. Cigarette smoke introduces abnormal quantities of carbon-monoxide. Not Di-oxide (CO2). It also includes numerous other toxins, producing health-impacting tar. In addition, many of us simply don't want to be breathing in addictive substances.
If you don't even know why cigarettes and joints are bad for you, you should really stop promulgating bad information to people. More CO2 driving with your windows down, indeed!
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TheRedWingArmada wrote: And besides that, we've made an advancement in smoking! It's called the vaporizor. But you know what? That doesn't produce CO2 or even a smell, and we are still being bagged on for smoking! Smoking something healthy of all things!! The hypocrisy continues.
Actually, vapourizers still smell unpleasant and blast nicotine around the room. Like someone who keeps chewing sweets and then opening their mouth up close to breath on you. But really, where is the hypocrisy? You understand that hypocrisy means a double-standard? You drinking something has no secondary effect on me. You smoking something does. Therefore smoking bothers me. There's no double-standard here.
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PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Uh, no. Stop going to Yates'.
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TheRedWingArmada wrote: If you want to drink, let me smoke. Otherwise, shut up. You're being stupid.
If you drink, then you drink and I don't care. If you smoke, we both smoke, and I do. Not hypocrisy, it's looking after myself.
And your confident assertion that a joint has no negative health effects? Seriously? I mean I'm not some "marijuana is the eevelll" type who has no grasp on what it does and does not do. Hell, a lot of my friends have an occasional joint. But we're older and we're professional and for most it's a rare thing at the end of a party. But anyway, the point is that you are adopting absurd positions in order to justify what you want to justify. There are demonstrated long-term effects from regular marijuana use and yes, it is also carcinogenic. When you find yourself comparing something to cigarettes as you have done, and arguing that someone is not as bad for you as them, you might want to find something else as your baseline of comparison. 'Only as harmful as cigarettes' is a terrible standard to hold things to.
No doubt you'll characterise my post of that as some crazed and uninformed anti-drugs fanatic. Well it isn't, drugs are all around us and I'm not exactly a recluse. But adopting the position of "there are no harmful effects" or even that it will "save your life", is as extreme and misinformed a position as some of the extreme anti-drugs types.
All we need now is Zilka coming back to the thread saying; "But I don't understand why people want to be stagger-bum drunk and playing a game", and we can go another round.
Steelmage99 wrote: All we need now is Zilka coming back to the thread saying; "But I don't understand why people want to be stagger-bum drunk and playing a game", and we can go another round.
Did somebody say "another round?" Good for you, Steelmage, very generous.
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Uh, no. Stop going to Yates'.
Ok, you just me me laugh out loud
Another thing I don't like about pubs is the miasma of pestilence* surrounding all the exits nowadays
*cigarette smoke from people huddling in doorways.
And taxi prices! and drunk people! and all these new fangled attempts at music! And teenagers! rhubarb, rhubard...
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Steelmage99 wrote: All we need now is Zilka coming back to the thread saying; "Bu I don stan y pepl wan be stagbum drunk an play game", and we can go another round.
Firstly, I've been absolutely smashed many-a-time without EVER giving in to the idiotic notion of driving a car under that influence. Because I'm like "this would simply not work."
I have instead walked over 10 km to get home because the trains had also stopped. Sobers you up good, that.
Second, why you think "having a beer" equates to being smashed and drunk driving is beyond me. Your argument is like me saying you shouldn't eat candy because once you weigh 450kg you're on the tax payer's dole and that means I'm going to have to take care of you, fatty!
Having a few beers with a game of 40k doesn't equate to killing a guy any more than you eating candy equates to you becoming a monstrosity.
Thirdly, I want to have a game with the Canadians, because there's a people I could see having a great eve. Plus, I wanna see some beavers and go to Tim Hortons.
Purifier wrote: AW is making it an art to read what he wants...
Firstly, I've been absolutely smashed many-a-time without EVER giving in to the idiotic notion of driving a car under that influence. Because I'm like "this would simply not work."
I have instead walked over 10 km to get home because the trains had also stopped. Sobers you up good, that.
Second, why you think "having a beer" equates to being smashed and drunk driving is beyond me. Your argument is like me saying you shouldn't eat candy because once you weigh 450kg you're on the tax payer's dole and that means I'm going to have to take care of you, fatty!
Having a few beers with a game of 40k doesn't equate to killing a guy any more than you eating candy equates to you becoming a monstrosity.
Thirdly, I want to have a game with the Canadians, because there's a people I could see having a great eve. Plus, I wanna see some beavers and go to Tim Hortons.
Come to Buffalo. We have beavers, Tim Hortans, and canadian beer (brewed in america).
Edit: And most importantly Buffalo is home of the all-delicious Wings. Mmmm....wings.....and bleu cheese....
Purifier wrote: I want to have a game with the Canadians, because there's a people I could see having a great eve.
My most fun game ever was against a group of Canadians at Adepticon. They brought winter themed Nob Bikers and throughly smashed in our team's LoganWing. There was so much American to Canadian smack talk. (and vice versa)
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Actually no... I've not noticed that, despite the inordinately large number of pubs around where I live...
I come from a brewery town - the entire place smells malty. Seriously, when you arrive, the first thing that happens is the smell hits you. They also make marite for that lovely yeasty freshness in the air... Our pubs are also just bad - either ridiculously expensive or they're cheap prices but they smell. Our local town just isn't very nice. Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Actually no... I've not noticed that, despite the inordinately large number of pubs around where I live...
I come from a brewery town - the entire place smells malty. Seriously, when you arrive, the first thing that happens is the smell hits you. They also make marite for that lovely yeasty freshness in the air...
Our pubs are also just bad - either ridiculously expensive or they're cheap prices but they smell.
Our local town just isn't very nice. Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
That might be why I'm predjudiced about pubs...
So I'll clarify - the pubs round here smell of sweat and sick.
Ah Burton. That explains a lot. I had the displeasure of being there a couple of Saturdays back for a Rugby game, though I didn't notice the smell as I have no sense of smell. The place is still a dive. And I used to work for Marstons, so that brings back bad memories.
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Actually no... I've not noticed that, despite the inordinately large number of pubs around where I live...
I come from a brewery town - the entire place smells malty. Seriously, when you arrive, the first thing that happens is the smell hits you. They also make marite for that lovely yeasty freshness in the air...
Our pubs are also just bad - either ridiculously expensive or they're cheap prices but they smell.
Our local town just isn't very nice. Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
Hahaha! This comment on the article made me laugh:
Just cuz pple walk round with base ball caps n tracksuit bottoms you a chav. Wen you pash idiots walk round in ya shirt n tie we dnt call you stuck up t**ts. Burton is better than lot places not much n no shootings.
Signed "Gavin".
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
PredaKhaine wrote: Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
Oh, god. Having visited Stevenage (and been forced to spend several nights sleeping in the same room as the Stevenage Air Cadets SQN), I must say I feel for ya.
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
Considering my options are burton or whw, I go to whw every single time.
Besides, Bugmans does a stormin breakfast.
I've played there against mates who been drinking tequila all day - that was a really fun game
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
Considering my options are burton or whw, I go to whw every single time.
Besides, Bugmans does a stormin breakfast.
I've played there against mates who been drinking tequila all day - that was a really fun game
Boom - back on topic
Yeah me and my buddies have begun frequenting WHW more often now, as the only day I can play is Sundays, and our gaming store is full of kids playing vanguard on Sundays, better to go to WHW, get out of the crèche, play on awesome boards and have a beer.
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
And this is why I don't complain about the price of GW miniatures. What better use could be made of our money that a full-scale drivable Rhino.
talljosh85 wrote: I love drinking and brewing beer. I handed out some home brews at NOVA this year to guys I was playing against, and we had a jolly time. I was not in one of the higher brackets, but a buddy I went with was quite warhammered on day one and did well in his bracket.
Can I ask where do you live? Because I'm amazed you were not arrested for illegal manufacture/distribution of alcohol without a license.
Edit to add : I do have "issues" with alcohol seeing I work as a nurse and I see first hand the results of most peoples' "have a few beers and have fun" nights.
I also have issue with the majority of posters who claim that unless you are falling down drunk lying in a pool of your own vomit then you are not impaired in any way shape or form. If you have to get buzzed or drunk in order to get your brain/conscience to be quiet about telling you not to do something, then maybe you should rethink what you are about to do.
I live in the US, and thanks to changes in federal law a couple decades ago, homebrewing is quite legal, as is sharing said beer. If I were to sell it, as opposed to sharing it, there could be legal ramifications. There are various local laws regarding transportation of home brewed beers. SO before you get up on that high horse with zero knowledge of what is actually legal, do some research. Federally legalized in 1978, the law went into effect in 1979, Alabama and Mississippi were the last two states to change laws banning it. From where I reside in North Carolina to NOVA in Virginia, I was completely in the legal to transport and share my home brewed beers.
No. Of course we don't realize the short comings of our equally disgusting habits. That's not hypocrisy at all. Jesus christ, I left this alone and it came swinging back to my front doorstep.
PredaKhaine wrote: If anyone in this thread feels the need for a random game at whw, give me a shout
Wont be up for it until the new year, now, I'm afraid. But I'll cheerfully give you a game once I'm able to make it up there in a few months time and have a car. Give you a shout by PM when I'm about? Always good to meet and play new people.
TheRedWingArmada wrote: Jesus christ, I left this alone and it came swinging back to my front doorstep.
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No you didn't. You regurgitated your opinion in a long post and quickly followed it up with a holier than thou post about how we shouldn't derail a thread as if you didn't just try to get the last word.
Go ahead and have your opinions, but don't try to act like you've been trying to be the bigger man but turn out the victim when no such thing has happened.
mr_bruno wrote: Our local group has recently decided to have an Adults Only night that will involved plenty of booze, cigars, and swear words.
Ugh! I don't care if people want to drink while they game (I don't), but smoking at the table would be unpleasant because it affects me.
Sorry, to clarify, the cigars are smoked outside away from the table and the children. I don't mind making my own bad decisions but I have qualms about smoking and drinking in front of kids. The gentleman hosting the event is a huge cigar fan and likes to share his latest purchases with the group and that's something we're all happy to partake in. Just something us folks do to unwind is all.
TheRedWingArmada wrote: You need water, my friend. Most of us do. lol. And I know that sounds like a "OH REALLY?" type of thing, but this is what I'm doing. I'm not buying bottled water because the plastic taints the water, and then your body when you drink it. Drinking soda out of plastic increases this effect even worse. The chemical released is called dioxin (sp?) and it is a carcinogen primarily found in breast cancer. An interesting study not to long ago showed that men in America are showing more signs of breast cancer than women, and that more men drink their sodas out of a plastic bottle. That is what lead to the study on dioxin.
So I'm treating my own water and fortifying it with fruits and vegetables. Now I have healthy water that's almost like medicine in and of itself. Once I get this process streamlined, I plan on giving this stuff away to my neighborhood and seeing exactly how quickly our combined health turns around. So far, it's had staggering results.
Don't buy your solutions from the store. Make them at home.
Actually dioxin does not leech out of plastic bottles. In fact there are ZERO dioxins in plastic bottles. It is an urban myth. Dioxins are created when chlorine is subjected to extremely high temperatures above 1500F, and is why they are mostly formed during the burning of some fuels like coal and also in trash incinerators and the like. You aren't getting dioxins in your water or soda bottles. I simple trip to a place like snopes.com or truthorfiction.com can give you the basic run down on the lack of fact here. Or you can go to the EPA's website and look it up in a less intuitive way. There are two threats with plastic bottles: First is environmental, unless recycled they just stack up. The other is health based is more from people using the same plastic bottle over and over and over again without every cleaning it and it will gather a good collection of bacteria. Beyond that plastic bottles are perfectly safe.
That said it is far healthier to drink water than soda regularly. Soda is pretty much water with a ton of chemicals added into it and has zero nutritional value. Add in the caffeine in colas and it helps to dehydrate you instead of hydrate you as well. Water with fruit or veggies soaked in it to transfer flavor is a good way to make water more palatable for those who find it boring or bland. Soda is also one of the prime factors in obesity as well. Most people wouldn't eat 6 big macs a day, but will happily consume that many calories in soda every day in addition to eating.
Because of how little water so many people consume, most people are in a mostly dehydrated state a lot of the time and it can be amazing how much energy and ability you have when you stop drinking soda all day and replace it with water in similar amounts and actually hydrate your body properly.
Deleted comments about the whole second hand smoke thing because it just isn't worth it to bother at this stage...
Back to your usual Dakka rantings...
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PredaKhaine wrote: That might be why I'm predjudiced about pubs...
So I'll clarify - the pubs round here smell of sweat and sick.
I find that the smell of sweat and sick is indirectly proportional to the prices of the drinking establishment. The cheaper it is the more it smells and the pricier it is the better it is maintained and the less it smells. Often they can be the same building, but different owners and different attitudes make a world of difference. Had one local place that was a hardcore drinking hole. Smelled like old beer and puke all the time. Someone else bought it. Turned it into a cross of a high end martini bar and restaurant and the place is completely different now. Only smells now come from the kitchen and the gourmet food on the menu. Of course the price of a pint at the place tripled, but that isn't saying much since the old place sold $2 pints regularly.
Hilarious read, absolutely wonderful. The basic fact is that people drink while playing because it's fun.
Loads of players at my club have a wife and/or kids at home, and are enjoying having an evening to themselves. If they want to have a drink or three to unwind while they play with wardollies, they are welcome to. In roughly four years of gaming, I've never seen anyone get completely bladdered at a club night or tournament.
Someone getting trashed and starting a brawl will annoy bystanders. Someone nursing a jug of beer over the course of an evening will not. I personally don't get to drink very often while gaming (I have to drive places most of the time), but have no issue with playing a drinking opponent.
I agree that smokers should take it outside. Alcohol doesn't rapidly stink out a room and produce a low-hanging, smoky haze like cigarettes do. Every smoker I know doesn't mind ducking outside for a few minutes, I'm surprised by the vicious debate that ensued to be honest.
In my opinion, 40k is a social, beer-and-pretzels game (the ruleset is too wonky for anything else). Having a drink with friends is always good fun, adding a game to the equation only helps with that.
Much like one of my favorite IG commanders I love a good stogey when im battling it up. I kind of always wondered what peopls feelings on this were, mostly cause I do sound for a living and have always wondered what 40k happy hour would look like. we already have several hundred person Street Fighter/MK/Soulblade/calibur events that get enough peeps out to award decent cash prizes. anybody in central va usa want to get drrrrrrrrrunk?
Some people just can't stay away from their intoxicants.
Me? I'm a non-drinker, and would not stay in a game in the other participants became drunk. Drinking is fine (it's your choice after all), but get drunk and I'm pulling the plug on the game and walking.
I have two hobbies: Beer and Wargaming. Fortunately they go together quite well, as there is nothing like sipping a few high gravity pumpkin ales or porters while discussing some politics over a tabletop game.
I can't say I've ever ran into a smoker who thought smoking inside 4 feet away from me was appropriate. I feel like drinking a beer at a 4x6 table would only be like smoking if I leaned over and spit beer into your mouth every 15 to 20 seconds.
My group has a few beers (and pretzels) while playing because it is our all-encompassing social time together (we do not see each other much outside of gaming anymore) and we're doing all we can to support a portion of the wargame stereotype. We tried to grow beards just on our necks and / or living in our mom's basement but neither worked out..
Strombones wrote: I feel like drinking a beer at a 4x6 table would only be like smoking if I leaned over and spit beer into your mouth every 15 to 20 seconds.
Wow that conjures up some really disturbing images in the old noggin...
Me? I'm a non-drinker, and would not stay in a game in the other participants became drunk. Drinking is fine (it's your choice after all), but get drunk and I'm pulling the plug on the game and walking.
TR
Agreed, so long as an opponent retains his ability to play, all's fair in war in my game, never had anybody get drunk while playing though, and most people I've met who have a social drunking habit usually don't have enough money to field an army mostly because they have a social drunking habit (not the same as a social drinking habit mind you). But that said I dont live a lifestyle fit to judge anyone's substance use :p I work in music/nightclubs, and in those situations you frequently still have to work with people who've gone over the edge that night. Its kind of why I like wargaming, aside from drinking and potheads its free of blatant hard drug users which is where you start to see people slip up while playing music, also the point at which I wouldn't trust someone to read an extremely wordy rule correctly and or not start stealing things they sell for more drugs later... that said, I love my job
Me? I'm a non-drinker, and would not stay in a game in the other participants became drunk. Drinking is fine (it's your choice after all), but get drunk and I'm pulling the plug on the game and walking.
TR
I think the number of people who actually get drunk while socially drinking is fairly small. Now, the guy who brings a 24-case of beer to a four-hour gaming session and drinks them all by hour two...
There's a tounament here called "Castle Assault".
We hold it in a licensed club, we have a bar in the room, with bar staff. It's not the biggest event on our tournament calendar (70 players) but it is one of them.
It's more about the drinking than the mandollies, though.
People come from far and wide to compete in the drinking.
You don't HAVE to drink - in fact, you'll probably play better if you don't - but you will care less about losing if you do.
Winners get a tankard. They are encouraged to bring it with them next year, and their first day's drinking is on the host.
It's also a way to guarantee that last year's winner can't win this year.
Another reason I don't drink much is because I only trust myself to be the designated driver. If I am the driver to a night out, I'll have a beer when I first get there *maybe*, but then nothiing for the next 3-4 hours and I'll be perfectly sober when it is time to drive home. If the excursion is a short one then no alcohol period. I've been on excursions where the designated driver is still drinking half an hour before it is time to leave. No thanks. Some people in the US have a really weak attitude towards drinking and driving which is why we have plenty of accidents involving injuries and deaths because of it. I wish we had a much stronger social stigma against it here to be honest. Some people just don't even acknowledge the risks and have that "I haven't had any problems yet" mentality about it as you stated. Being a volunteer in the emergency services I've helped to cut out and extract enough dead and critically injured people from vehicles hit by drunks to have a low tolerance for it.
Be sure to wake me up when you quote someone who actually intellectually defended getting drunk as an activity that should be lauded as "mature".
