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2013/11/29 01:08:44
Subject: Re:why do so many people drink when play 40k
Thank you welshhoppo and cheif! Back on topic finally! And now I can hopefully leave this place for good now. lol
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2013/11/29 01:22:50
Subject: Re:why do so many people drink when play 40k
TheRedWingArmada wrote:I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a cigarette while you were drinking, then you are a hypocrite.
No.
No. Just no.
At no point will the smell of beer overwhelm a well maintained restaurant. At no point will a beer induce anyone to cough, or irritate their eyes. At no point will the smell of beer be soaked into your clothes.
We can leave all the health effects on the sidelines, because neither habit is particularly good for you in either the short term nor the long term. But smoking is a disgusting habit that affects everyone in your vicinity, regardless if it is done in moderation or constantly. I'll tolerate it, especially if we're in a place where it's socially acceptable, but there's no valid comparison. Never has. Never will be.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
TheRedWingArmada wrote:I'll say it again, if you had a problem with me enjoying a cigarette while you were drinking, then you are a hypocrite.
No.
No. Just no.
At no point will the smell of beer overwhelm a well maintained restaurant. At no point will a beer induce anyone to cough, or irritate their eyes. At no point will the smell of beer be soaked into your clothes.
We can leave all the health effects on the sidelines, [b]because neither habit is particularly good for you in either the short term nor the long term. But smoking is a disgusting habit that affects everyone in your vicinity, regardless if it is done in moderation or constantly. I'll tolerate it, especially if we're in a place where it's socially acceptable, but there's no valid comparison. Never has. Never will be.
You are right, neither is good for you. But smoking isn't good for anyone around you either.
Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Personally, I hate smoking inside. A smoke break (when both players go outside to smoke) is one of the good bits imo
I won't go for a smoke if my opponent is a non smoker though - unless they suggest taking a break. I don't like leaving someone just stood there waiting.
Being able to smoke while playing (its been illegal here a while) sounds nice, but I'd still go outside. I bought some transformers off've ebay - they came from a smoking house. I could tell because I opened the package and they smelled like an ashtray - and this is coming from a smoker. I'm not making my plastic space men stink.
I'm fine with people drinking during a game, as long as they can handle it.
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
2013/11/29 09:23:42
Subject: Re:why do so many people drink when play 40k
mr_bruno wrote: Our local group has recently decided to have an Adults Only night that will involved plenty of booze, cigars, and swear words.
Ugh! I don't care if people want to drink while they game (I don't), but smoking at the table would be unpleasant because it affects me.
With you there bro, I can't breathe near smokers - I get coughing/gagging fits and a constant need to spit the taste out of my gob :/
Such hypocrisy in this world. -le sigh-
I reeeally want to pursue this, but it would just lead to a Smokers v. Drinkers debate that I'm not even going to pretend to entertain.
Where's the hypocrisy? Someone can stand across the table from me drinking shot after shot of tequila for all I care and it wont have the slightest effect on me - I'm not going to be breathing in unwanted tequila (other than vaguely being able to smell it). But if someone is burning something opposite me, ciggie, joint, pipe, whatever, it's going to stink the place up. I'm still going to be able to smell the stuff on my clothes when I leave! I don't see any hypocrisy - just a clear object difference that one thing only affects the person doing it, and the other affects everyone around them. Severe body odour, cigarettes, it's all the same. With the exception that the latter is also actively bad for me to get in my lungs. There's no hypocrisy here.
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TheRedWingArmada wrote: Guys. Seriously. Second hand is not that bad. You breath in more CO2 driving your car with the windows down than you do standing next to someone smoking a cigarrette. Be real. What ya'll don't like is the smell, and we don't like the way ya'll smell either, so get over it.
Bad science is bad.
Firstly, you just made that up. Secondly, CO2 is a regular part of our atmosphere. Cigarette smoke introduces abnormal quantities of carbon-monoxide. Not Di-oxide (CO2). It also includes numerous other toxins, producing health-impacting tar. In addition, many of us simply don't want to be breathing in addictive substances.
If you don't even know why cigarettes and joints are bad for you, you should really stop promulgating bad information to people. More CO2 driving with your windows down, indeed!
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TheRedWingArmada wrote: And besides that, we've made an advancement in smoking! It's called the vaporizor. But you know what? That doesn't produce CO2 or even a smell, and we are still being bagged on for smoking! Smoking something healthy of all things!! The hypocrisy continues.
Actually, vapourizers still smell unpleasant and blast nicotine around the room. Like someone who keeps chewing sweets and then opening their mouth up close to breath on you. But really, where is the hypocrisy? You understand that hypocrisy means a double-standard? You drinking something has no secondary effect on me. You smoking something does. Therefore smoking bothers me. There's no double-standard here.
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PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Uh, no. Stop going to Yates'.
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TheRedWingArmada wrote: If you want to drink, let me smoke. Otherwise, shut up. You're being stupid.
If you drink, then you drink and I don't care. If you smoke, we both smoke, and I do. Not hypocrisy, it's looking after myself.
And your confident assertion that a joint has no negative health effects? Seriously? I mean I'm not some "marijuana is the eevelll" type who has no grasp on what it does and does not do. Hell, a lot of my friends have an occasional joint. But we're older and we're professional and for most it's a rare thing at the end of a party. But anyway, the point is that you are adopting absurd positions in order to justify what you want to justify. There are demonstrated long-term effects from regular marijuana use and yes, it is also carcinogenic. When you find yourself comparing something to cigarettes as you have done, and arguing that someone is not as bad for you as them, you might want to find something else as your baseline of comparison. 'Only as harmful as cigarettes' is a terrible standard to hold things to.
No doubt you'll characterise my post of that as some crazed and uninformed anti-drugs fanatic. Well it isn't, drugs are all around us and I'm not exactly a recluse. But adopting the position of "there are no harmful effects" or even that it will "save your life", is as extreme and misinformed a position as some of the extreme anti-drugs types.
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What is best in life?
To wound enemy units, see them driven from the table, and hear the lamentations of their player.
2013/11/29 10:39:14
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
All we need now is Zilka coming back to the thread saying; "But I don't understand why people want to be stagger-bum drunk and playing a game", and we can go another round.
-------------------------------------------------------
"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
Steelmage99 wrote: All we need now is Zilka coming back to the thread saying; "But I don't understand why people want to be stagger-bum drunk and playing a game", and we can go another round.
Did somebody say "another round?" Good for you, Steelmage, very generous.
What is best in life?
To wound enemy units, see them driven from the table, and hear the lamentations of their player.
2013/11/29 12:44:02
Subject: Re:why do so many people drink when play 40k
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Uh, no. Stop going to Yates'.
Ok, you just me me laugh out loud
Another thing I don't like about pubs is the miasma of pestilence* surrounding all the exits nowadays
*cigarette smoke from people huddling in doorways.
And taxi prices! and drunk people! and all these new fangled attempts at music! And teenagers! rhubarb, rhubard...
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Steelmage99 wrote: All we need now is Zilka coming back to the thread saying; "Bu I don stan y pepl wan be stagbum drunk an play game", and we can go another round.
Fixed...
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
2013/11/29 13:25:57
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
Firstly, I've been absolutely smashed many-a-time without EVER giving in to the idiotic notion of driving a car under that influence. Because I'm like "this would simply not work."
I have instead walked over 10 km to get home because the trains had also stopped. Sobers you up good, that.
Second, why you think "having a beer" equates to being smashed and drunk driving is beyond me. Your argument is like me saying you shouldn't eat candy because once you weigh 450kg you're on the tax payer's dole and that means I'm going to have to take care of you, fatty!
Having a few beers with a game of 40k doesn't equate to killing a guy any more than you eating candy equates to you becoming a monstrosity.
Thirdly, I want to have a game with the Canadians, because there's a people I could see having a great eve. Plus, I wanna see some beavers and go to Tim Hortons.
2013/11/29 13:39:39
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
Purifier wrote: AW is making it an art to read what he wants...
Firstly, I've been absolutely smashed many-a-time without EVER giving in to the idiotic notion of driving a car under that influence. Because I'm like "this would simply not work."
I have instead walked over 10 km to get home because the trains had also stopped. Sobers you up good, that.
Second, why you think "having a beer" equates to being smashed and drunk driving is beyond me. Your argument is like me saying you shouldn't eat candy because once you weigh 450kg you're on the tax payer's dole and that means I'm going to have to take care of you, fatty!
Having a few beers with a game of 40k doesn't equate to killing a guy any more than you eating candy equates to you becoming a monstrosity.
Thirdly, I want to have a game with the Canadians, because there's a people I could see having a great eve. Plus, I wanna see some beavers and go to Tim Hortons.
Come to Buffalo. We have beavers, Tim Hortans, and canadian beer (brewed in america).
Edit: And most importantly Buffalo is home of the all-delicious Wings. Mmmm....wings.....and bleu cheese....
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2013/11/29 13:49:03
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
Purifier wrote: I want to have a game with the Canadians, because there's a people I could see having a great eve.
My most fun game ever was against a group of Canadians at Adepticon. They brought winter themed Nob Bikers and throughly smashed in our team's LoganWing. There was so much American to Canadian smack talk. (and vice versa)
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Actually no... I've not noticed that, despite the inordinately large number of pubs around where I live...
I come from a brewery town - the entire place smells malty. Seriously, when you arrive, the first thing that happens is the smell hits you. They also make marite for that lovely yeasty freshness in the air... Our pubs are also just bad - either ridiculously expensive or they're cheap prices but they smell. Our local town just isn't very nice. Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
2013/11/29 14:15:54
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Actually no... I've not noticed that, despite the inordinately large number of pubs around where I live...
I come from a brewery town - the entire place smells malty. Seriously, when you arrive, the first thing that happens is the smell hits you. They also make marite for that lovely yeasty freshness in the air...
Our pubs are also just bad - either ridiculously expensive or they're cheap prices but they smell.
Our local town just isn't very nice. Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
That might be why I'm predjudiced about pubs...
So I'll clarify - the pubs round here smell of sweat and sick.
Ah Burton. That explains a lot. I had the displeasure of being there a couple of Saturdays back for a Rugby game, though I didn't notice the smell as I have no sense of smell. The place is still a dive. And I used to work for Marstons, so that brings back bad memories.
PredaKhaine wrote: Has anyone else noticed now smoking inside is banned that pubs smell of sweat and sick now?
Actually no... I've not noticed that, despite the inordinately large number of pubs around where I live...
I come from a brewery town - the entire place smells malty. Seriously, when you arrive, the first thing that happens is the smell hits you. They also make marite for that lovely yeasty freshness in the air...
Our pubs are also just bad - either ridiculously expensive or they're cheap prices but they smell.
Our local town just isn't very nice. Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
Hahaha! This comment on the article made me laugh:
Just cuz pple walk round with base ball caps n tracksuit bottoms you a chav. Wen you pash idiots walk round in ya shirt n tie we dnt call you stuck up t**ts. Burton is better than lot places not much n no shootings.
Signed "Gavin".
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
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What is best in life?
To wound enemy units, see them driven from the table, and hear the lamentations of their player.
2013/11/29 14:21:57
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
PredaKhaine wrote: Its been voted in the top 5 worst smelling towns and the top five most chavvy towns in the uk. Even Jeremy Clarkson hates the place.
Oh, god. Having visited Stevenage (and been forced to spend several nights sleeping in the same room as the Stevenage Air Cadets SQN), I must say I feel for ya.
And doesn't Clarkson hate everything anyway?
2013/11/29 14:29:55
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
Considering my options are burton or whw, I go to whw every single time.
Besides, Bugmans does a stormin breakfast.
I've played there against mates who been drinking tequila all day - that was a really fun game
Boom - back on topic
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
2013/11/29 14:41:13
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
Considering my options are burton or whw, I go to whw every single time.
Besides, Bugmans does a stormin breakfast.
I've played there against mates who been drinking tequila all day - that was a really fun game
Boom - back on topic
Yeah me and my buddies have begun frequenting WHW more often now, as the only day I can play is Sundays, and our gaming store is full of kids playing vanguard on Sundays, better to go to WHW, get out of the crèche, play on awesome boards and have a beer.
On the plus side, you're just down the road from GW Central. Have you ever seen their place? With the giant Space Marine statue outside and the Imperial Eagle over the main doors? I hope all that's still there.
All still there, and there is a 1:1 scale Rhino outside! Apparently it can be driven as well, which is mental.
And this is why I don't complain about the price of GW miniatures. What better use could be made of our money that a full-scale drivable Rhino.
What is best in life?
To wound enemy units, see them driven from the table, and hear the lamentations of their player.
5454/11/29 14:58:26
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
2013/11/29 15:01:04
Subject: why do so many people drink when play 40k
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