So, I'v been wanting to start a Ork or Tyranid army for a little while now to have a more melee capable army. But I decided to wait and see how they both look when their new codexes comes out. and I have just spent 30 minutes looking at the new tyranids on the GW website, And all I can say is.. I want.. And dang... The Tyranid starter army, Tyranid Swarm, Gives you an extreme saving! It costs 1260 swedish kronor, And buying everything seperately would cost 2340 swedish kronor.. So you save 1080 swedish kronor.. I think thats the biggest saving I ever saw on the GW website.. That just makes me want to start Tyranids even more!

I am not impressed with the three new models. The crazy mouth thing looks ridiculous and the flyer looks too fat to get off the ground. Tyrant guard look nice, but unless they can get wings and fly around with a flying Hive Tyrant I don't see them seeing much use.

But I am hopeful the new rules will surprise me and provide some fun/competitive options.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
The crazy mouth thing looks ridiculous and the flyer looks too fat to get off the ground.

It might have a hollow exoskeleton and its body filled with a light gas or something. Im sure GW has some made up science working for it

=Dannyevilguy 571399 6399010 84b3f18ababf5cc319ab3290da4bcc60.jpg The crazy mouth thing looks ridiculous and the flyer looks too fat to get off the ground.

Yes Space Marines just move as fast as Eldar and Tyranids, and their flyers can actually get of the ground as well.

Davor wrote:


Yes Space Marines just move as fast as Eldar and Tyranids, and their flyers can actually get of the ground as well.

Space Marine flyers can claim repulsorfields or something.

The overweight tyranid flyer clearly stays aloft by farting in short rapid bursts.

Edit: Must get Toxic Miasma for free.

Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

mmm that hive fleet.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

Nah. I think more kids will want it because of how good it looks.

I'm excited. I Pre-ordered the codex and a Haruspex / Exocrine

one of each? or just one.

I don't collect Tyranids, but I still gagged at seeing the new prices. Just, wat. IIRC, Tyranid Warriors didn't used to cost as much as a squad of Terminators.

 Wyzilla wrote:
I don't collect Tyranids, but I still gagged at seeing the new prices. Just, wat. IIRC, Tyranid Warriors didn't used to cost as much as a squad of Terminators.

They just got new sclupts, with included options for a prime and Boneswords and lashwhips. It's only a slight increase to what they were priced at before.

:O lashwhips?

EyeOfDC wrote:
:O lashwhips?

Yep, it's a biomorph upgrade paired with a Bonesword. This was not included in the last sculpt, and only made available later in the form of expensive Finecast sculpts.

EyeOfDC wrote:
:O lashwhips?

The prices are obscene, so much so they are comical.

$850.00 for the white dwarf army. At first I thought it was a typo.

I don't know what they are doing, but financially I wouldn't consider starting a new army at retail, or even 20% off retail.

Hahhaahahha here it's 1400 for the WD army

Dang bro. $1400....

I could almost take my kids to Disneyland for that much.

GW is clueless....

 Sasori wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
I don't collect Tyranids, but I still gagged at seeing the new prices. Just, wat. IIRC, Tyranid Warriors didn't used to cost as much as a squad of Terminators.

They just got new sclupts, with included options for a prime and Boneswords and lashwhips. It's only a slight increase to what they were priced at before.

That's not an excuse to sell three miniatures of non substantial size for fifty dollars. Five is pushing it. Three is ridiculous and ensures I'll never build a Nid army, or buy them second-hand which supplies GW with no money. I don't care if they added lashwhips- it simply takes a small rope of greenstuff to make one. Sure it won't look superb, but simply chucking in a bunch of plastic bits isn't an excuse to hike up the price equal to that of terminators when you're only getting three models.

Blah, blah, blah, whine, cry, snivel. It's the same crying about the same thing every time GW releases a new range of models.

I don't play nids but I think the new models look fantastic.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, whine, cry, snivel. It's the same crying about the same thing every time GW releases a new range of models.

I don't play nids but I think the new models look fantastic.

The only real advantage of them is that they're made of plastic. However, this still doesn't justify the pricing at all, which remains ridiculous. You're better set buying bits off bit shops or buying extra bodies so you can actually use all the pieces that come with the set. Simply looking fantastic doesn't excuse a price hike and simply endangers their business in the long run.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:

Davor wrote:


Yes Space Marines just move as fast as Eldar and Tyranids, and their flyers can actually get of the ground as well.

Space Marine flyers can claim repulsorfields or something.

The overweight tyranid flyer clearly stays aloft by farting in short rapid bursts.

Edit: Must get Toxic Miasma for free.

Or maybe the Tyranids use a form of telekinetics to help give them lift and maneuverability. After all, they are supposed to be a highly psychic race, makes sense the Narns have genetically engineered those traits into such creatures.

The new models look brilliant

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I am not impressed with the three new models. The crazy mouth thing looks ridiculous and the flyer looks too fat to get off the ground.

Perhaps the wing muscles vibrate instead of expand/contract? Think bumble bee.

I like the flyer. The rest I could take or leave. Except the Tyrant Guard, those things are hideous. Although given the prices, I doubt I'll buy anything new for my Hive Fleet.

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

it has stealers , gargoyles and a carnifex . Waste of money . better buy guants and some tervigons and keep money for which ever of the new Mc is realy good.

Perhaps the wing muscles vibrate instead of expand/contract? Think bumble bee.

the carapace it has weights too much . it would rip the wings out of their sockets , with a single flap .

The new models are pretty. I'll grab the codex, but that's it.

LE codex, Crone, and Carnifex brood for me.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:

Davor wrote:


Yes Space Marines just move as fast as Eldar and Tyranids, and their flyers can actually get of the ground as well.

Space Marine flyers can claim repulsorfields or something.

The overweight tyranid flyer clearly stays aloft by farting in short rapid bursts.

Edit: Must get Toxic Miasma for free.

Thanks for the smile.


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 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Instead of complaining about the price of $120-$150 (not sure where you get the $120 from I use to be able to buy this battle box for $75 and I thought it was too much now.) how about what you do get? Like you get a Carnifex and Gargoyles for free.

getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Davor wrote:


Instead of complaining about the price of $120-$150 (not sure where you get the $120 from I use to be able to buy this battle box for $75 and I thought it was too much now.) how about what you do get? Like you get a Carnifex and Gargoyles for free.

The $120-150 is for the battleforces of other armies not this one which used to be $130 I think retail before.
I wasn't complaining about the price of the other battleforces or this one....btw you can't buy a battleforce for $75 at retail (unless you are buying from a discounter). I think the older battle forces (including the new Tau and Eldar) are a good price for people who want to get into the game i.e low price for a starter army.
The only thing I don't like about the price or $200 is it will prevent new players to the game (not the army) who just want to start will a small force for a small cost. It does have lots of models and good potential for getting to 1000 easily.
Bottom line I wasn't complaining haha

The Haruspex looks crazy, really mutated look. Btw, I agree with the warriors being way too expensive, pretty sure I got my old set of 3 for £15 if even, from a GW.
But yeah, the exocrine kind of looks a bit weird, his head seems way too small.

I love the harpy, but I agree that they have made his midsection way too fat. Could this be corrected with any modifications? Wondering if its possible to literally chop bits of the plastic out to make him more aerodynamic. The gargoyles worked fine, why didn't they keep it similar to their physiology.

The flyer could be a little thinner, but overall isn't bad. birds of all shapes and sizes can fly because of their hollow bones, so I will let GW slide on it. I have to admit I like the sculpts for the other models as well. The prices however are painful, but that seems to be the general thing for GW as of late

The Tyranid swarm looks like a great deal that give you plenty of troops, fast attack, and a heavy with a savings of $88.75 US. Which while may keep newer players of younger ages at arms length willn't do so much from new players with a more steady income

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
flyer looks too fat to get off the ground. .

It looks like a flying carnifex - it's supposed to look like a flying trygon.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

Davor wrote:


Instead of complaining about the price of $120-$150 (not sure where you get the $120 from I use to be able to buy this battle box for $75 and I thought it was too much now.) how about what you do get? Like you get a Carnifex and Gargoyles for free.

The $120-150 is for the battleforces of other armies not this one which used to be $130 I think retail before.
I wasn't complaining about the price of the other battleforces or this one....btw you can't buy a battleforce for $75 at retail (unless you are buying from a discounter). I think the older battle forces (including the new Tau and Eldar) are a good price for people who want to get into the game i.e low price for a starter army.
The only thing I don't like about the price or $200 is it will prevent new players to the game (not the army) who just want to start will a small force for a small cost. It does have lots of models and good potential for getting to 1000 easily.
Bottom line I wasn't complaining haha

Sorry I meant if we are going to complain about GW prices, complain about how we use to buy these battle force box sets for $75 from GW. How can a price double in price in 5 or so years but nothing added to it? Molds were made, everything done, but prices still went up.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
flyer looks too fat to get off the ground. .

It looks like a flying carnifex - it's supposed to look like a flying trygon.

The thing that gets me is how mono-pose and rigid it is. Like they've just got a plane and replaced all metal bits with flesh/claws. To me, Tyranid flyers should not be like that at all. They're not inanimate objects, they can flap their wings, twist their head. I was hoping for more of the Flyrant-style beasties.

pax_imperialis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

$190 NZD for a limited edition codex? $105 for three Hive Guard? A $2700 "Tyranid Predation" kit???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW has balls I'll give them that

NZ minimum wage is $10/hour after tax for anyone living overseas. What a joke

 Wyzilla wrote:
I don't collect Tyranids, but I still gagged at seeing the new prices. Just, wat. IIRC, Tyranid Warriors didn't used to cost as much as a squad of Terminators.

The Old Tyranid Warriors were $45. Bonesword/Lashwhip combo was another 20 on top of that. And dual Boneswords were another 20 on top of that. Honestly, I am rather glad that they rolled all 3 in 1, and just barely bumped it by $6. Do the math of $51 vs $85, and I will take the $51 every time.

Prices over here are pretty expensive but I guess some credit for doing some value for money with the carnifex brood and swarm bod.

If I can pick up then at flgs ar even more discount then I think it's a very good way for me to start my second army

I'm not excited about the codex.
The models are pretty, pretty freaking awesome, and will look good on my shelf... but I'm done with the rules, random psychic powers, and 10 pages of USR did it for me..
I share the excitement about the plastic with most of you though.
They look great

Makumba wrote:
getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Why do you think you'll never use a Carnifex that is ~40 points cheaper than current? Especially with Old One Eye as an HQ now?
And saying you'll never use Gargoyles is silly - they're really good.

As far as the crunch is concerned, I'm pretty turned off by the lack of changes to any of their troops choices. Yeah some price reductions, big whoop. The problem with 'Nid troops never had anything to do with price, lowering them by a point or two is a disappointing bandaid.

The only feasible way to fix units like Hormagaunts and Warriors (meaning not wishlisting like run+assault moves, things that would never actually be introduced into the game) is to change them to beasts or give them wounds from the back mechanics for 'gaunts and eternal warrior or the ability to be attached to squads of 'gaunts for Warriors. That what we're getting is a minor points reduction and the "Banshee" treatment for Hormas is pretty whack.

Based off of what we've seen so far, 'Nids look like their competitive build is going to be very similar to what we have now, with the new flyer possibly having some utility. No one is going to bother with Exocrines in a competitive build if the rumors of them rocking a 24'' gun are true.

But we'll see. My prediction for the codex, based off of the rumors as they are now, is that the codex won't be meta-shattering and won't mix up the Tyranid gameplan very much. Very similar to Dark Angels in that regard.

rigeld2 wrote:

Makumba wrote:
getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Why do you think you'll never use a Carnifex that is ~40 points cheaper than current? Especially with Old One Eye as an HQ now?
And saying you'll never use Gargoyles is silly - they're really good.

Because when someone starts he needs a flyrant , tervigons and not a slow melee MC that doesn't fly or a weak shoty MC that doesn't fly. At how many points does one start to add Gargoyles ? when all troops are full, all hvy and elite are full and all those bring nids way over 1500pts .
Then there are the genestealers , costed as if they were wearing power armor , but actualy they run around wraped up in paper bags.
And as far as one eye goes. No one is going to take an HQ that gets auto killed by Jaws on a +3.


And about the 40pts cheaper . have you seen how much an upgraded one costs , how much the weapons costs , because a dakka fex does not cost cheaper .

We have absolutely no idea what we will "need" in the new book.

The new book could change everything or it could change very little.

Typically newer models are better, but this is not always the case (with the crons the newer models were better, with the DA for example, they were not).

Tragically, while is appears that some of the units may still have serious issues (saying genstealers are wrapped in paperbags, is tragically fairly accurate) there may be universal rules or other things that may alter things in ways we don't know.

I will be picking up a codex, a exocrine kit, and a harpy kit.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The only feasible way to fix units like Hormagaunts and Warriors (meaning not wishlisting like run+assault moves, things that would never actually be introduced into the game)

Since when was something that was in the game until 6th rolled about (old Fleet) that another codex has a better version of (Eldar Battle Focus) infeasible to be actually introduced into the game?

 Dakkamite wrote:

pax_imperialis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

$190 NZD for a limited edition codex? $105 for three Hive Guard? A $2700 "Tyranid Predation" kit???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW has balls I'll give them that

NZ minimum wage is $10/hour after tax for anyone living overseas. What a joke

And how many people smoke? How many people drink? How many people go out and eat? Bingo? Lottery tickets? Casinos? Movies? Money all gone and never can be used again. At least with GW, no matter how expensive it is, can be used over and over again.

Not being a GW fan boy, really hate what they do sometimes, just sick and tired of people complaining about how much something is, and in some cases do things that are just as stupid, like going to the bar spend $200 and piss it all away, then complain about how expensive GW is.

Makumba wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

it has stealers , gargoyles and a carnifex . Waste of money . better buy guants and some tervigons and keep money for which ever of the new Mc is realy good.

Perhaps the wing muscles vibrate instead of expand/contract? Think bumble bee.

the carapace it has weights too much . it would rip the wings out of their sockets , with a single flap .

I'm going to have to disagree with you, about it being a waste of money. For one, there are no genestealers in it. Two, Gargoyles are one of the best units we have, I wish there were more of them in the box. The Carnifex, has had a massive price drop, to around 110-120. that alone makes it worth considering. With a plethora of biomoprhs available, it's quite possible the Carnifex will be a competitive choice again. It's 40 point price drop defiantly puts it in the realm of usability at least.

Makumba wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Makumba wrote:
getting units you will never use for free doesn't realy help the army build up.

Why do you think you'll never use a Carnifex that is ~40 points cheaper than current? Especially with Old One Eye as an HQ now?
And saying you'll never use Gargoyles is silly - they're really good.

Because when someone starts he needs a flyrant , tervigons and not a slow melee MC that doesn't fly or a weak shoty MC that doesn't fly. At how many points does one start to add Gargoyles ? when all troops are full, all hvy and elite are full and all those bring nids way over 1500pts .
Then there are the genestealers , costed as if they were wearing power armor , but actualy they run around wraped up in paper bags.
And as far as one eye goes. No one is going to take an HQ that gets auto killed by Jaws on a +3.

You act like you've read the codex already.
The White Dwarf battle has 2 dakkafexea and a sniperfex in a brood for barely any more than 3 naked fexes now.
You don't know how slow they are - it's possible they're faster now.
Gargoyles are useful at low points values - spamming 3 Tervigons in your troop slot isn't a good idea.
There are no Genestealers in the Swarm box.
You have literally no idea how susceptible OOE will be to psychic attacks.

And about the 40pts cheaper . have you seen how much an upgraded one costs , how much the weapons costs , because a dakka fex does not cost cheaper .

The White Dwarf release proves you wrong.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The only feasible way to fix units like Hormagaunts and Warriors (meaning not wishlisting like run+assault moves, things that would never actually be introduced into the game)

Since when was something that was in the game until 6th rolled about (old Fleet) that another codex has a better version of (Eldar Battle Focus) infeasible to be actually introduced into the game?

Since 6th.

Duh.

From what I can tell Nid look to be the same but different.
Most things are around the expected points costs seeing a drop or no change.

I don't see any units like genestealers being able to take assault genades like they should, I dont see any armywide buffs mentioned in the stat pages shown.

We lost mycetic spores but we gained a new flyer.

It looks like the trygon tunnel will remain the same, i dont see any change to be able to use it on the same turn happening.

I'm hoping for better reserve manipulation/control.

It looks to me like the new units will be the key pieces to make your army have a competive edge, this along with swarms and flyers.

I expect Tyranids to only have 1-2 viable just about competitive lists unless something awesome is in the biomorphs section..

I'm hopeful of better but then again I know GW from past experiences. I just don't see Nids being competitive in this edition which is a shame because I love the bugs.
I'm really hoping I have to come back and eat these words.

 L0rdF1end wrote:


I expect Tyranids to only have 1-2 viable just about competitive lists unless something awesome is in the biomorphs section..

I'm hopeful of better but then again I know GW from past experiences. I just don't see Nids being competitive in this edition which is a shame because I love the bugs.
I'm really hoping I have to come back and eat these words.

Now this is what bugs me. (no pun intended). Who cares about being competitive. Do you really need to win with plastic toy soldiers?

I loose every game I play. I take it more, that I suck playing the game instead of the army. Why not just play for fun?

Davor wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:

pax_imperialis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Is there no new battleforce? Or does the swarm replace it? Because $205 canadian is a big reach over the $120-$150 for the other battle forces.

I like the models but would have liked to see a few more but whatever haha I agree with the harpy being up so high but it's the same sized post as other flier...it does look a little bit fat hahaha

Yeah, it's a bit more expensive, but none of the other battleforces come with 95 models either. It is actually a pretty good deal, as surprising as that is.

I have to agree that it does have a lot more models, how many points does it have under the old codex? Probably a sizable amount. The Carnifex is $65 alone so ya it just might deter new players who don't have a lot to spend on it. If tyranids were in the next release for the starter set for 7th Ed that would probably sell ALOT of copies to people starting tyranids haha

they've done the same with marines, with only the strikeforce listed on the gw site now. I don't like it, $400nz is way too much to shill out for a starter set that's guaranteed to have one awful unit. Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

$190 NZD for a limited edition codex? $105 for three Hive Guard? A $2700 "Tyranid Predation" kit???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GW has balls I'll give them that

NZ minimum wage is $10/hour after tax for anyone living overseas. What a joke

And how many people smoke? How many people drink? How many people go out and eat? Bingo? Lottery tickets? Casinos? Movies? Money all gone and never can be used again. At least with GW, no matter how expensive it is, can be used over and over again.

Not being a GW fan boy, really hate what they do sometimes, just sick and tired of people complaining about how much something is, and in some cases do things that are just as stupid, like going to the bar spend $200 and piss it all away, then complain about how expensive GW is.

So, because other "hobbies" are expensive as well, GW's constant price gauging suddenly becomes justified? Seriously, one has to whiteknight pretty hard to find three terminator sized, adequate but not overy impressive lookingminiatures at 40€ in any way or shape justified.

Davor wrote:
Now this is what bugs me. (no pun intended). Who cares about being competitive. Do you really need to win with plastic toy soldiers?

I loose every game I play. I take it more, that I suck playing the game instead of the army. Why not just play for fun?

Regular human beings don't enjoy losing every game they play.

If 40K wasn't about winning then there would be no "victory points". It's a game where you're supposed to try your best to win. You can have a good attitude about losing, but that doesn't change the point of the game.

KingDeath wrote:


So, because other "hobbies" are expensive as well, GW's constant price gauging suddenly becomes justified? Seriously, one has to whiteknight pretty hard to find three terminator sized, adequate but not overy impressive lookingminiatures at 40€ in any way or shape justified.

No you are correct. Just tired of seeing the dead horse being beaten all the time that is all.

Well seeing how gw priced this nids stuff Im going to have my doubts about IG. When I heard there were rumors of 5 man stormie/vet squads with lots of options I was excited. Then I remembered spacemarine sternguards new kit. Now I saw the Warriors nids got and I just have doubts now of any of the IG stuff to come. Its ridiculous how the prices of this game have just sky rocketed.

Sorry didnt want to steal the thunder of this thread lol.

When I saw the flyer, all I could think of was "man, it's a good thing he's holding onto his testicles, otherwise they'd hit EVERYTHING he flew over!". Then I saw the Exocrine, with his giant vagina cannon and almost fell out of my chair.

On a serious note - whatever the rules for them are, I want some of these models strictly to paint. They look great, IMO.

pax_imperialis wrote:
Annoyingly, many of the 1 click deals are actually slightly more expensive than buying the models individually, wtf.

It's the cost of all the extra clicking they do for you.

I'll just be stocking up on popcorn so I can go on here and read the flood of posts saying "WTF, this can't out-cheese Eldar or Tau! Worst codex ever! GW hates Tyranids! Now I have to wait another twelve years for my army to be playable again!"

 Wilytank wrote:
I'll just be stocking up on popcorn so I can go on here and read the flood of posts saying "WTF, this can't out-cheese Eldar or Tau! Worst codex ever! GW hates Tyranids! Now I have to wait another twelve years for my army to be playable again!"

This is how every codex release starts. I remember the Tau, people were like this is crap...then look, Tau are king now.

This will be the initial feelings as always, then a few competitive builds will come to light.
I think the main point making Tyranids competitive will be the ability to take additional units from the FOC slots.

im not worried about the bugs. they run 2 things... lots of low T no save little guys, that have short range or no range, and a bunch of MC. said big'uns have a mixture of toys.

my tau just say "ok" - i have lots of stuff for taking down TMC (such as an ecpa hbc riptide) or crisis suits with burst cannons and gun drones with an airburster commander for the little guys. sprinkle in missile pods and plasma for taste.

If da big nidz come out it just gives me an excuse to field tankbustas. Them boyz is dead killy when it comes to squashing bugz, specially the fat ones!

 kronk wrote:
The new models are pretty. I'll grab the codex, but that's it.

Same here...and I already scratch built a tyranno/exocrine and 2 harpies right after then5th ed bug book landed.

I'm just impressed and slightly in shock at seeing a bundle that is significantly (by about 50%) cheaper than buying the individual packs. And gaunts got cheaper per model (from $2.42 USD to $2.20 USD), not much but still...

If gaunt hordes are viable that would be a really good deal, and really cool to see on the table.

 greyknight12 wrote:
I'm just impressed and slightly in shock at seeing a bundle that is significantly (by about 50%) cheaper than buying the individual packs. And gaunts got cheaper per model (from $2.42 USD to $2.20 USD), not much but still...

If gaunt hordes are viable that would be a really good deal, and really cool to see on the table.

Just like with Orkney boys...grants and gaunts will always be hard pressed to be bad.

The previous release had some great sculpts and new models. This one is silly. IMO only though, but the new mouth fat thing from outer space is uggly. And I don't mean alien ugly. I mean weird ugly. The flyer is meh but its ok. The prices are as always. Oh don't forget, GW makes the best toy soldiers In the world.. Geee

I for one will be getting the regular codex. I am not inclined to pay twice the cash for very little more in return.

My son's Tyranid army will be looking to pick up some of the new models. If for nothing else, because of the new shiney factor. Hopefully, the newer models address some of discrepancies from the 5th Ed. Codex. For example, the lack of AP 2 weapons.

SYKOJAK wrote:
My son's Tyranid army will be looking to pick up some of the new models. If for nothing else, because of the new shiney factor. Hopefully, the newer models address some of discrepancies from the 5th Ed. Codex. For example, the lack of AP 2 weapons.

Lack of AP2?

Bugs have AP2 coming out the ears.

And were there isn't AP2, there were ignores armor weapons, and where there weren't ignores armor, there's a bucket full of dice.

Bug's roblem has never been kill-ability, it's survivability. And a super up catalyst, more well rounded tervigons, and points reductions across the book...that's finally been balanced out.

And who really needs AP2 right now anyways? The best weapons in the game right now are AP4 to AP-

Haruspex is cool no doubt, and fantastic for the godzilla armies that will result, but unecessary. When building a new cool model for your son, I highly recommend the exocrine at this juncture, and as long as you don't run a tyrranofex, it's an easy stand in for that as well.

The fliers are interesting. But if the Harpy still has a 4+, that still makes him, and possibly the Crone, dead to any army with decent AA.

Don't get me wrong, I have been playing dual Harpies for a while now, but the 4+ needs to go away or the bug is going to have the same problems.

I'm super excited, but I don't think I can bring myself to buy a new army, especially not 'Nids. The price hikes are pretty brutal in Oz and I'm concerned that they will turn into a one-trick-pony.

Have to see how the new codex plays out, I suppose.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:


The overweight tyranid flyer clearly stays aloft by farting in short rapid bursts.

Edit: Must get Toxic Miasma for free.

Just started reading this thread and had a good laugh at this one. May I quote this in my sig if noone else has already?

Getting back on topic, I've always wanted to start a 'Nidz army and paint/ theme it like the Aliens (Hive Fleet Ripley?), and that new Swarm battlebox is really tempting me. The only thing that's stopping me is the fact that I'm already ankle deep in primed-but-not-painted Ork Boyz. Despite their many, many faults GW really knows how to push my "impulse buy" button, which is located right next to my prostate.

I'm probably going to jump on this bandwagon, and while I was thinking about a swarm army now I'm thinking of Nidzilla. What would your first impressions be of ( and I know the 'wait for the book' answer is the wisest, but I have ADHD and I wanna talk about it NOW!) the following purchases to start off with:

Codex
2x Hive Tyrant/ Swarmlord
1x Tyrannofex/ Tervigon
1x Haruspex/ Endocrine
1x Tyrant Guard box
2x Warrior.boxes (Troops choices)
1x Carnifex Brood

godswildcard wrote:
I'm probably going to jump on this bandwagon, and while I was thinking about a swarm army now I'm thinking of Nidzilla. What would your first impressions be of ( and I know the 'wait for the book' answer is the wisest, but I have ADHD and I wanna talk about it NOW!) the following purchases to start off with:

Codex
2x Hive Tyrant/ Swarmlord
1x Tyrannofex/ Tervigon
1x Haruspex/ Endocrine
1x Tyrant Guard box
2x Warrior.boxes (Troops choices)
1x Carnifex Brood

Start out?...you're going to immediately need to spring a bunch more to fill out the list. 60 gants almost immediately

Been playing Nids since 3rd when I first started the game. Tyranids are what got me into the game. I absolutely love my alien bugs of doom and I just wanted to get past the 5th edition codex as fast as possible.

With that said, I am apathetic at best about the new codex because I know that all of the CC utility is going to be worthless in 6th and the best bug builds are going to be shooty. I foresee the new Tyranid standard to be 3x Exocrine, if they rumors of their gun are true, Hive Crones, and as many Tervigons you can fit into the list. So...no changes. If they leaks are real then Warriors and Stealers are still shelved. Raveners are my favorite unit in the codex but I have little faith in GW to make them worthwhile because they are still going to be expensive t4 models with no armor save. Lictors may finally be able to arrive without immediately dieing but they will probably still be meh in melee anyway.

I just don't see GW doing such drastic changes that the codex sorely needs. I want to run a swarming army that surges across the board to crash into the enemy like a wave. 6th edition and the new kits do nothing to support this idea and if I wanted to play a shooting army then I have 5 other armies to play. I want a melee army but it is becoming even more apparent, I say this with the new nid kits and leaks in mind, that this is not a viable way to play an army.

Well Nids wont be a problem for any Tau player (its a pretty good match up for them anyway) if the R'Varna gets approved with its current rules. I would laugh so hard at how sad it would be for my opponent to loose that many little bugs because I Nova Charged. lol

Actually though, based off of the previous Nids, do you think that this will be the new *top dog* army and dethrone Eldar, Tau, or Chaos Daemons (whatever you think is the best) or is it going to be fair, but not AMAZING!!! What do you think?

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
Well Nids wont be a problem for any Tau player (its a pretty good match up for them anyway) if the R'Varna gets approved with its current rules. I would laugh so hard at how sad it would be for my opponent to loose that many little bugs because I Nova Charged. lol

Actually though, based off of the previous Nids, do you think that this will be the new *top dog* army and dethrone Eldar, Tau, or Chaos Daemons (whatever you think is the best) or is it going to be fair, but not AMAZING!!! What do you think?

Based off the codex leaks we have so far....no.

In fact, its looking pretty....grim. Hopefully, there are some undiscovered magical secrets in the book...

Actually, I take that back, it will be slightly better against tau - a lot of the stuff does well against low I armies....(tau and crons).

But overall....

Well, I can in no way speak for this being the truth, but one thing I read was that Lictors and Genestealers will have some fancy new rule that makes it so the turn they come onto the board they can only be hit on a 6 (snap shots to be exact).

As a Tau player this rather worries me. The days of dreading my friend's outflanking genestealer horde might have returned to me, at least in part.

 ductvader wrote:

godswildcard wrote:
I'm probably going to jump on this bandwagon, and while I was thinking about a swarm army now I'm thinking of Nidzilla. What would your first impressions be of ( and I know the 'wait for the book' answer is the wisest, but I have ADHD and I wanna talk about it NOW!) the following purchases to start off with:

Codex
2x Hive Tyrant/ Swarmlord
1x Tyrannofex/ Tervigon
1x Haruspex/ Endocrine
1x Tyrant Guard box
2x Warrior.boxes (Troops choices)
1x Carnifex Brood

Start out?...you're going to immediately need to spring a bunch more to fill out the list. 60 gants almost immediately

So Nidzilla is dependent on Gants? I was hoping to avoid a lot,of the little buggers. What should the shopping list more closely resemble?

Personally, I would hate to give you the wrong list for a codex I have yet to see.

To start you can't go wrong with

1 Tyrant
3 Tyrant Guard/Hive Guard
Exocrine
2 Carnifexes
Tervigon
50+ termagants (30, to make the tervigon a troop and at least 20 more for spawning, I'd want more than 20 personally...)

With the increase on termagant tax for tervigons, I think 60 gants per tervigon is pretty much on the money.

 DarthSpader wrote:
im not worried about the bugs. they run 2 things... lots of low T no save little guys, that have short range or no range, and a bunch of MC. said big'uns have a mixture of toys.

my tau just say "ok" - i have lots of stuff for taking down TMC (such as an ecpa hbc riptide) or crisis suits with burst cannons and gun drones with an airburster commander for the little guys. sprinkle in missile pods and plasma for taste.

Thank you for this priceless contribution into this discussion about Tyranids.

Well guys, I'll be plain here. We can sit all night here and talk about the new Codex and wether it's good or not... OR we could wait that it actually gets released.

Anyone know who wrote 6th ed nids?

Psy-Titan wrote:
Anyone know who wrote 6th ed nids?

GW Design Team.

They got tired of people blaming Ward (or Cruddace if you are a nid player)

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Psy-Titan wrote:
Anyone know who wrote 6th ed nids?

GW Design Team.

They got tired of people blaming Ward (or Cruddace if you are a nid player)

Or people praising Kelly for absolutely no reason at all.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Psy-Titan wrote:
Anyone know who wrote 6th ed nids?

GW Design Team.

They got tired of people blaming Ward (or Cruddace if you are a nid player)

Or people praising Kelly for absolutely no reason at all.

Yeah, he didn't actually write the books.
I'm not sure how the writing process works, but I think there's a team involved. Though having 1 guy in charge of it all may account for many of the..."quirks" that pop up now and again.

A guy had the codex today at the store , we all read the fluff parts and had a good laugh . It is almost as, if nids were the new Avatars. The local lore guru said that all of this is , because when tyranids win no one gets a word about it , there are only stories about them being beaten back .

I don't envy all those people that are going to have to play with 200+guants , turns will take hours. They are going to be worse then zombies , because zombis don't care about ranges other then 2" from each other . Nids will check the overlaps of synaps .


Also a rules question , is a model the closest model to itself when the word other isn't used? Because if yes , then those tyranids are going to be killing each other on a roll of 1 on IB.

So a guy had a codex at the store, and you didn't read the WHOLE thing?!

Yeah, he read the fluff but not the rules? Sounds like bs Barry.

Jamo wrote:
Yeah, he read the fluff but not the rules? Sounds like bs Barry.

I agree! Like in what world would you get a chance to look at a Codex that hasn't come out yet to the public, and you want to read the fluff!

I'm trying to decide what to do about the codex actually. It wasnt that long ago where I bought what I thought was a new one, didn't realise that nids were about to get a big update, since I was only just returning. So now, either I buy the new codex, or, as I have seen, there's a digital version. But to be honest, the digital version seems WAY overpriced.

Would you get the new codex to play Nids, or know the enemy?

Play nids, possibly, I'm still in the deciding phase whether to learn 40k, so far I've only ever collected and painted, and played invented games with them years ago lol.

I would learn the game first, pick up the new rulebook and decide if you want to get back into the game, then if you do, pick up the new Nids codex. That is provided you are going to play them. Thats what I would do.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
So a guy had a codex at the store, and you didn't read the WHOLE thing?!

He is over 30 and I am under 20 , and from another playgroup then him . I was lucky he was reading some stuff of the more funny stuff . He and his friends were reading the whole thing and looking how the model kits look like . I don't play nids , so their changes wouldn't mean anything to me and no one cried that it stuff was awesome , they just made fun out of tyranids and the store owner who plays them .

I don't play Nids but I will be buying the Codex.

Makumba wrote:

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
So a guy had a codex at the store, and you didn't read the WHOLE thing?!

He is over 30 and I am under 20 , and from another playgroup then him . I was lucky he was reading some stuff of the more funny stuff . He and his friends were reading the whole thing and looking how the model kits look like . I don't play nids , so their changes wouldn't mean anything to me and no one cried that it stuff was awesome , they just made fun out of tyranids and the store owner who plays them .

Fair enough