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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
From 40k Radio via Natfka:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/02/wd-leaked-image-of-codex-legion-of.html
I never thought I would see this. Pleasantly surprised...
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Post by: SickSix
Yup, this came out in the pictures of the Knight thread.
I'm almost tempted to buy a used iPad just to get that.
However, the history of these digital releases tempers my hopes a fair degree. (ie. the actual rules)
***edit***
Also people are freaking out because it's labeled a codex. Seriously, it's going to be like I page of rules and a bunch of recycled fluff. (or they will go full GW and retcon the current fluff again lol)
If we are lucky they may be allowed to take 0-1 dreads like the Chapter Approved list.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 SickSix wrote:Yup, this came out in the pictures of the Knight thread.
I'm almost tempted to buy a used iPad just to get that.
However, the history of these digital releases tempers my hopes a fair degree. (ie. the actual rules)
***edit***
Also people are freaking out because it's labeled a codex. Seriously, it's going to be like I page of rules and a bunch of recycled fluff. (or they will go full GW and retcon the current fluff again lol)
If we are lucky they may be allowed to take 0-1 dreads like the Chapter Approved list.
I'm not even sure it's going to have an army list as-such, the only actual reference to rules on the leaked WD page talks about rules for using Legionnaires as allies to any Imperial army and some scenarios. This could be as limited as "may take as Battle Brothers for IG, SW, BR, DA etc, see Codex: Space Marines for stats, equipment, and points cost".
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
If they allow LotD to be taken as troop choices my wallet's not gonna be happy...
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Post by: Azreal13
I wouldn't get hugely excited.
Reading between the lines, I think we have another Codex Inquisition, in that it will have a limited number of units and all the codex will really do is expand who is eligible to take them.
Might be a good read for fluff purposes for fans, but I don't think it will allow a LotD army.
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Post by: SickSix
No it clearly states 'allies'. No 'army'. They don't have the figures to do that and we all know GW no longer makes rules for stuff they don't physically make.
But, they do sell characters, troops and special weapon infantry. So you could use a LotD sergeant as an HQ and fill a couple troop slots.
Or maybe they will have their own ally FOC where you can just take 1-3 squads of LotD.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Yeah, this is on par with Codex: Inquisition or whatever it was called. Just a teeny little ally expansion.
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Post by: BrookM
But hopefully packed with fluff, just like the Farsight Enclave.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Aren't all the LotD models in their finecast that's supposedly being phased out?
Oh well. Another Imperial release for the Imperials alongside the Knights.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 Absolutionis wrote:Aren't all the LotD models in their finecast that's supposedly being phased out?
Sororitas are mostly metal. Didn't stop them to charge for a supposedly full Codex.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
i Would rather have a 21st Founding Codex then a mere LotD codex personnaly, like in the WD 260 Chapter Aproved, i really liked the Black Dragons and the Minautors.
Oh look!, i've found the old 21st Founding rules!, when i look at it, there isn't much work to do, to make it 6Th Ed compatible...
http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ia/w40k_ia_cf_0.html
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
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Post by: SickSix
 H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
Yup. That was kind of boring and killed the mystery.
I prefer to think the LotD are a collection of marines throughout the history of the Imperium.
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Post by: BrianDavion
Absolutionis wrote:Aren't all the LotD models in their finecast that's supposedly being phased out?
Oh well. Another Imperial release for the Imperials alongside the Knights.
Makes one wonder if they're gonna be releasing a plastic LotD box in the near future. this would be kinda cool, and I think might even be a fun source of bits of chaos too
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Post by: Eldarain
It might be partially an effort to clear out all the Finecast ones they've already made. Similar to the motivation in releasing Cypher's slate I would think.
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Post by: Azreal13
I think, at this point, I'm going to gently ban you from posting pics in threads until you can do it the right way up!
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Post by: Azazelx
SickSix wrote:No it clearly states 'allies'. No 'army'. They don't have the figures to do that and we all know GW no longer makes rules for stuff they don't physically make.
But, they do sell characters, troops and special weapon infantry. So you could use a LotD sergeant as an HQ and fill a couple troop slots.
Or maybe they will have their own ally FOC where you can just take 1-3 squads of LotD.
They do have multi-meltas and heavy flamers as well as several/most of the previous lot of special weapons (ie, no grav guns). They could potentially make some form of devastator squad, and they have previously made Heavy Bolters, all of the older special weapons, sgts with all kinds of options, etc.
hmm..
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2090143a
The Legion Ascendant
Of all the legends of the Imperium, one of the strangest is that of the Legion of the Damned. Their aspect is terrifying in the extreme, ghostly apparitions from some bygone era or perhaps a time yet to come. Appearing amidst the enemy in a scouring blast of spectral flame, the Damned Legionnaires' very presence evokes unreasoning horror while their every shot is a fiery bolt of judgement, turning flesh to scattered ash.
This One-Click Collection contains all you need to field The Legion Ascendant Apocalypse Formation. It includes: 1 set of Damned Legionnaires (1); 2 sets of Damned Legionnaires (2); 1 Legion of the Damned Squad; 1 Legionnaire with multi-melta; 1 Damned Sergeant with Bolt Pistol and Power Weapon; and 1 Legionnaire with Heavy Flamer.
Apocalypse Formations are collections of miniatures drawn from the background of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Should you wish to field this Apocalypse Formation in a game, its details can be found on page 268 of the Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse book.
These kits come unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints.
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Part Code: 99020101032
It's an Apoc formation, but shy of new plastic kits - which I would not expect, they may simply be allowing this in normal games of 40k.
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Post by: quickfuze
Im soooooooo giddy for this....I own 70 of these guys and have been running them just as vanilla marines (with usual stuff, stormraven, scouts etc.)
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Interested to see what their new potential background stories might be. I like that they hinted "these are all speculation, no one really knows where they came from."
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Post by: jonolikespie
 MrMoustaffa wrote:Interested to see what their new potential background stories might be. I like that they hinted "these are all speculation, no one really knows where they came from."
A series of Inquisitorial reports trying to reconstruct incidents from eye witnesses and the like, speculating about the events and trying to decipher the fact from fiction could be amazing. It won't be though, it'll probably just be the same stuff that's been in the last couple of marine codexs and a little bit of new stuff.
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Post by: Alkasyn
The old edition stuff posted seems like it could be fun in friendly games, I wonder what will be released for the 50 or so USD by GW.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 jonolikespie wrote:A series of Inquisitorial reports trying to reconstruct incidents from eye witnesses and the like, speculating about the events and trying to decipher the fact from fiction could be amazing. It won't be though, it'll probably just be the same stuff that's been in the last couple of marine codexs and a little bit of new stuff.
Or it'll be several sections explaining their history and their combat doctrine, followed by a timeline, like every other book.
But I like your idea better.
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Post by: Pariah-Miniatures
Well I am hoping they include the character Sergent Centurius, I want that mystical skull wielding dude back in action!
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Post by: jonolikespie
H.B.M.C. wrote: jonolikespie wrote:A series of Inquisitorial reports trying to reconstruct incidents from eye witnesses and the like, speculating about the events and trying to decipher the fact from fiction could be amazing. It won't be though, it'll probably just be the same stuff that's been in the last couple of marine codexs and a little bit of new stuff.
Or it'll be several sections explaining their history and their combat doctrine, followed by a timeline, like every other book.
But I like your idea better.
Well I kinda meant it would follow the same pattern as a regular dex but it would be phrased as 'The first confirmed report of activity by the so called 'Leagion of the Damned' was at X on Y date blah blah' followed by the timeline which has the usual stuff but [unconfirmed], [suspected] or [confirmed by Chapter Master X] after it. Not entirely breaking the mold but still different.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
And yet still no word on Supplements or allies for anyone else.
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Post by: Troike
Though it is also a codex, which makes me think that they can be fielded alone too. The Inquisition codex was the same, having a very limited range of units but still being allowed to be played on its own. So it could be some LotD units along with some vehicles. Though I'd imagine that, like the Inquisition codex, it's meant more as an allies codex than a standalone codex.
The codex itself was full. What was lacking was a model release.
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Post by: nels1031
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
The Fire Hawks part was always just a theory though, wasn't it?
What it took from the recent Black Library shorts on the LotD :
Hopefully we both get some LotD fluff that satisfies!
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Post by: 1hadhq
 Brother SRM wrote:Yeah, this is on par with Codex: Inquisition or whatever it was called. Just a teeny little ally expansion.
+1 
Can't we have something that isn't so special they hide it behind bits&bytes ?
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Post by: shade1313
Happy dance!
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Post by: Kroothawk
 Troike wrote:
The codex itself was full. What was lacking was a model release.
This is off topic here, but it it has only half as much units as the already thin 3rd edition one, and it has almost no background and almost no hobby part. If you want to know how uniforms other than from the "Order of Our Martyred Lady" look, you have to google. Same with all insignia.
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Post by: Cptskillet
So question then that I'd like clarified. In Codex: Space Marines you can take LotD as Elites, with this release coming, could you ally Codex: LoTD and add even more LotD members to a list? I know there's little info but here's hoping we can do this and have alot of black armored ghosts defending the imperium!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
We don't know yet.
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Post by: Kosake
Now, I might think too positive here, but just as an Idea:
What if they release one codex along the lines of "Imperial Auxillia", where a lot of random stuff that becomes available for most IoM factions is combined, thus dumping mercenaries, Knights, Legion of the damned, abhumans and whatever else they come up with into one Auxillia-Codex while the new IG codex goes along the lines of space marines/chapter tactics and gives all the Guards Regiments some special rules (Tallarns, Catachans, Steel Legion, Cadians, Valhallans, Vostoyans, ...).
I know, this would make people happy so it's highly improbbable, but hey, a man can dream, can't he?
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
 Azazelx wrote: SickSix wrote:No it clearly states 'allies'. No 'army'. They don't have the figures to do that and we all know GW no longer makes rules for stuff they don't physically make.
But, they do sell characters, troops and special weapon infantry. So you could use a LotD sergeant as an HQ and fill a couple troop slots.
Or maybe they will have their own ally FOC where you can just take 1-3 squads of LotD.
They do have multi-meltas and heavy flamers as well as several/most of the previous lot of special weapons (ie, no grav guns). They could potentially make some form of devastator squad, and they have previously made Heavy Bolters, all of the older special weapons, sgts with all kinds of options, etc.
hmm..
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2090143a
The Legion Ascendant
Of all the legends of the Imperium, one of the strangest is that of the Legion of the Damned. Their aspect is terrifying in the extreme, ghostly apparitions from some bygone era or perhaps a time yet to come. Appearing amidst the enemy in a scouring blast of spectral flame, the Damned Legionnaires' very presence evokes unreasoning horror while their every shot is a fiery bolt of judgement, turning flesh to scattered ash.
This One-Click Collection contains all you need to field The Legion Ascendant Apocalypse Formation. It includes: 1 set of Damned Legionnaires (1); 2 sets of Damned Legionnaires (2); 1 Legion of the Damned Squad; 1 Legionnaire with multi-melta; 1 Damned Sergeant with Bolt Pistol and Power Weapon; and 1 Legionnaire with Heavy Flamer.
Apocalypse Formations are collections of miniatures drawn from the background of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Should you wish to field this Apocalypse Formation in a game, its details can be found on page 268 of the Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse book.
These kits come unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints.
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Part Code: 99020101032
It's an Apoc formation, but shy of new plastic kits - which I would not expect, they may simply be allowing this in normal games of 40k.
I'd love a set of Legion of the Damned... But not in Finecast. What's the odds on buying a box of 20 Finecast and them all being perfect?
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Post by: Kosake
Hm... bolters with belt feed. Weren't they pre-heresy issue? How would a 21st founding chapter get these..?
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Post by: Breotan
"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?
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Post by: SickSix
 Breotan wrote:"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?
People have heard of them. People have seen them and survived. That's how we know they exist.
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Hmm...I still use the Cursed Founding rules in my retro games. It was fun making an entire army of LoTD, especially with Terminators, Bikes, and a Dread. The Terminator Sergeant, dread, and Company Standard got the ever popular "crucified plastic skeleton" in the place of banners.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Kosake wrote:Hm... bolters with belt feed. Weren't they pre-heresy issue? How would a 21st founding chapter get these..?
I'll go with "models don't take note of obscure bits of nonsensical fluff"
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I would simply assume that it would be a case similar to parts from old armor marks making it onto combat suits.
The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.
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Post by: Lansirill
Have most of the release notices in WD only shown the iOS information without mentioning an accompanying ePub/mobi (regular e-book) release? Although I suppose if it's iOS only, it'll save me 30USD.
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Post by: Dinamarth
 nels1031 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
The Fire Hawks part was always just a theory though, wasn't it?
What it took from the recent Black Library shorts on the LotD :
Hopefully we both get some LotD fluff that satisfies!
That spoiler makes me consider my theory even more, I think the LoTD are those loyalists betrayed and killed at Istvaan III. I have nothing to back this but that's my outlook.
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Post by: BrianDavion
 Dinamarth wrote: nels1031 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
The Fire Hawks part was always just a theory though, wasn't it?
What it took from the recent Black Library shorts on the LotD :
Hopefully we both get some LotD fluff that satisfies!
That spoiler makes me consider my theory even more, I think the LoTD are those loyalists betrayed and killed at Istvaan III. I have nothing to back this but that's my outlook.
oooh I like that theory. *steals for head canon*
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Post by: Riddick40k
Damn it GW... You just have to go and make me buy marines again...
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Post by: Davespil
 BrookM wrote:But hopefully packed with fluff, just like the Farsight Enclave.
Which made the Farsight Enclave Supplement a horrible purchase. You’re paying $50 for 1/4 of a novel worth of fluff. I made the mistake of buying the Iyanden supplement for $35 and it was still a colossal rip off.
That being said, I don't believe that LotD will get a "codex/supplement". If they do you know it will have minimal rules and just a bunch of fluff. I thought supplements would be an awesome thing. Until GW started releasing them...
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
 AegisGrimm wrote:The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.
Do you mean that those mysterious magic ghosts of genetically bio-engineered super soldiers equiped with science-fiction tech have guns that do not make sense with modern technology ? Maybe they use very strong magnetic attraction to get the bullet into the chamber or something. Maybe they use mini-antigrav stuff  .
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Post by: Erzanj
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: AegisGrimm wrote:The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.
Do you mean that those mysterious magic ghosts of genetically bio-engineered super soldiers equiped with science-fiction tech have guns that do not make sense with modern technology ? Maybe they use very strong magnetic attraction to get the bullet into the chamber or something. Maybe they use mini-antigrav stuff .
Who said they needed to reload anyway ? In GW's mind, Spess Mehrines are always the heroes, and heroes never reload 
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Post by: Relapse
SickSix wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
Yup. That was kind of boring and killed the mystery.
I prefer to think the LotD are a collection of marines throughout the history of the Imperium.
The thing that was kind of cool in that fluff, though is that they were caught in the same situation as the Deathguard, but did not weaken. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.
This is pretty close to the original fluff as I remember reading it the first time GW introduced them:
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Legion_of_the_Damned
I kind of liked it, as I said, because they resisted what the Death Guard gave in to. It could be expanded to say they act as a focal point for loyalist killed, giving them a chance to serve beyond death, as the banner they left at an early battle site proclaimed.
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Post by: pretre
Excited to see what we get!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Davespil wrote:That being said, I don't believe that LotD will get a "codex/supplement".
Umm... they previewed it in White Dwarf. They are getting one.
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Post by: SickSix
I'm just glad I got my guys in metal. Right H.B.M.C??
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Post by: Azreal13
Davespil wrote: BrookM wrote:But hopefully packed with fluff, just like the Farsight Enclave.
Which made the Farsight Enclave Supplement a horrible purchase. You’re paying $50 for 1/4 of a novel worth of fluff. I made the mistake of buying the Iyanden supplement for $35 and it was still a colossal rip off.
That being said, I don't believe that LotD will get a "codex/supplement". If they do you know it will have minimal rules and just a bunch of fluff. I thought supplements would be an awesome thing. Until GW started releasing them...
Erm....
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Post by: RiTides
 azreal13 wrote:I wouldn't get hugely excited.
Reading between the lines, I think we have another Codex Inquisition, in that it will have a limited number of units and all the codex will really do is expand who is eligible to take them.
Might be a good read for fluff purposes for fans, but I don't think it will allow a LotD army.
Brother SRM wrote:Yeah, this is on par with Codex: Inquisition or whatever it was called. Just a teeny little ally expansion.
Agreed.
Thanks for that, Kroot! I'd image tag it but I see it was done so in the post above mine here already
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
I wonder if the Legion of the Damned will be classified as Auxilla as well, and if we are seeing a sort of replacement or supplement for the Allies system- specific armies can choose from specific auxilla categories (Imperial, mercenaries, chaos, xenos, ect). That would help clarify the whole dataslate things if they classified them as auxilla as well.
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Post by: Ouze
Breotan wrote:"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?
The same way that they are "one of the greatest mysteries of the 40k universe, their origins and nature a hotly debated topic among hobbyists, around gaming tables and paint stations the world over".
Or, they're Fire Hawks. I guess that's the other option.
My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast, it's tempting to buy these, paint them green, and use them as my homebrew chapter, "Ten Dollar Marines".
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Post by: whembly
 Ouze wrote: Breotan wrote:"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?
The same way that they are "one of the greatest mysteries of the 40k universe, their origins and nature a hotly debated topic among hobbyists, around gaming tables and paint stations the world over".
Or, they're Fire Hawks. I guess that's the other option.
My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast, it's tempting to buy these, paint them green, and use them as my homebrew chapter, "Ten Dollar Marines".
Oh god...
If the rules are even halfway decent... I may have to splurge... but ya know what. I ain't painting them at that normal fire hawk scheme...
They're going to glow...
Like the green on these ghosts:
<body style="margin: 0px;">  </body>
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Post by: Relapse
I've got marines enough kicking around that I could just paint some black, add on some skulls and bones from a skeleton box and have a fair looking few squads without paying top dollar for reinforced whipped cream.
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Post by: Breotan
Ouze wrote:My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast...
I actually have about 15 of them (all the unique poses) and they're pretty decent (no major defects that I saw). Just soak them in soapy water or you'll be sad when your paint job sloughs off just like it did on my Skulltaker's cloak.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/monsters-martians-and-mysteries.html
relevant text
Finally, an even more mysterious release (I know, we're so damned secretive). We can give you this little snippet of info on the new book, but you'll need to wait until the weekend for the full reveal.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Knight of the Flame ? Who are those ?
Beside, how do you use flame to purge marines that are already on fire in their natural state ?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Damn straight! 
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Post by: d-usa
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Knight of the Flame ? Who are those ?
Beside, how do you use flame to purge marines that are already on fire in their natural state ?
Grey Knights I think...
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Post by: Azreal13
Hmmm,
Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.
LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
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Post by: d-usa
The Fallen!
That would seem like a pretty big change and feels a bit forced. But hey, black armor...
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Post by: Azreal13
Because of the DA quote? Possibly, would be my second choice, but the psychic thing tilts me in the direction of 1KS.
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Post by: d-usa
There is still time to hamfist a Horus Heresy novel of the Lion returning to find the trailers with immense psychic powers!
Just because it's never been in the fluff doesn't mean that it's not fluff!
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Post by: whitetornado
I'm wondering if the new version of these guys is about traitor marines trying to repent?
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Post by: bu11etmagn3tt
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/monsters-martians-and-mysteries.html
See 4th entry down.... Automatically Appended Next Post: "Finally, an even more mysterious release (I know, we're so "damned" secretive)."
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Post by: Azreal13
 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/monsters-martians-and-mysteries.html
See 4th entry down....
Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Finally, an even more mysterious release (I know, we're so "damned" secretive)."
Wise man say, check back before page break before posting news.
Wise man also say, you never ninja Reds8n on Black Library stuff.
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Post by: cycluv
I have three full 10-man squads of metal...so happy
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Post by: Johnnytorrance
I'm new to the scene but is it expected that GW hasn't seen these models move much. Sales have been weak and this is their way of pushing a product? Therefore will we probably see an increase in LotD prices?
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Post by: ace101
azreal13 wrote:Hmmm, Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old. LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them. Automatically Appended Next Post:  whembly wrote: Ouze wrote: Breotan wrote:"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?
The same way that they are "one of the greatest mysteries of the 40k universe, their origins and nature a hotly debated topic among hobbyists, around gaming tables and paint stations the world over". Or, they're Fire Hawks. I guess that's the other option. My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast, it's tempting to buy these, paint them green, and use them as my homebrew chapter, "Ten Dollar Marines".
Oh god... If the rules are even halfway decent... I may have to splurge... but ya know what. I ain't painting them at that normal fire hawk scheme... They're going to glow... Like the green on these ghosts: <body style="margin: 0px;"> </body>
Also take a look at their profile in C: SM, probably not much deviation from that, which means they'll be decent.
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Post by: Ratius
From the leaked WD pic: "Allies to any Imperial army"
So you cant ally with other SMs?
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Post by: pretre
 Ratius wrote:From the leaked WD pic: "Allies to any Imperial army"
So you cant ally with other SMs?
Space Marines are imperial...
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 Slayer le boucher wrote:i Would rather have a 21st Founding Codex then a mere LotD codex personnaly, like in the WD 260 Chapter Aproved, i really liked the Black Dragons and the Minautors.
Oh look!, i've found the old 21st Founding rules!, when i look at it, there isn't much work to do, to make it 6Th Ed compatible...
http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ia/w40k_ia_cf_0.html
I had no recollection Minotaurs were also cursed founding. Also, super nostalgia times over the black dragons and the silly mutated options.
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Post by: TiamatRoar
I imagine the new fluff for them is that they're a combination of Fire Hawk remnants and various other lost marines over the ages, including Dark Angels and including the time of the Great Crusade. That's what things are looking like to me from the snippets we have (including Black Library material, like that Legion of the Damned short story anthology that shows they are actively recruiting) so far, at least.
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Post by: BrianDavion
keep in mind the dark angels speculating that they might be fallen doesn't mean they are. These are the dark angels, they strike me as prone to see the fallen in everything.
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Post by: Brother SRM
There's no mention of the Fallen or Thousand Sons in either of those little fluff blurbs. Being psychic doesn't mean the latter, wearing black doesn't mean the former. Dark Angels are all about interrogating dudes anyway, and chaplains in every chapter do a bit of that torture/interrogation stuff. As for being "lost to history", that could mean literally anything. Stuff disappears all the time in 40k, only to emerge later. It could mean guys who vanished during the Horus Heresy, it could mean guys who vanished before then, or it could have been a couple Space Marines who went out to the store to get a pack of smokes and never came back. Looking forward to seeing if any new light is shed.
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Post by: Asmodai Asmodean
It doesn't really make sense for them to be from different chapters, because they fight as a single unit.
Anyway, a points decrease will make them even more sleeper powerful than they already are.
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Post by: pretre
 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:It doesn't really make sense for them to be from different chapters, because they fight as a single unit.
Anyway, a points decrease will make them even more sleeper powerful than they already are.
Why can't dudes from different chapters fight as a single unit? Deathwatch does it all the time.
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Post by: Kirasu
Thousand sons certainly makes absolutely no sense given their fluff.. and every single one of them was either killed or went to the planet of sorceror's with Magnus.. (They also use sorcery, not only psychic abilities which is notably different)
I rather they just keep the fluff about the 21st founding as that was pretty cool and gives plenty of ideas..
I had no recollection Minotaurs were also cursed founding. Also, super nostalgia times over the black dragons and the silly mutated options.
They are, but they were recalled and remade into the current Minotaurs which is fanatical in its devotion to the lords of terra.
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Post by: CalgarsPimpHand
If these quotes indicate a ret-con away from "absolutely 100% Fire Hawks with warp disease and a detailed history of their transformation and operation" and towards "they really are unknown, but here are hints as to possible origins" then I'd be happy. I liked the 2nd edition Ultramarine Codex fluff for them, which was essentially a short story about Tigurius witnessing them fight orks and nothing else. It was totally up to you to make the connection with a tiny blurb about the Fire Hawks disappearing, which was on a separate page, and the codex didn't even hint at a link at all.
There's value in vagueness, it allows players to fill in the gaps, and what we imagine and the debates it inspires are often far better than what GW's crappy writers come up with. GW has long forgotten that and the fluff has suffered (see, for example, the entire Horus Heresy series).
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Post by: His Master's Voice
They're totally the lost legions. What were the numbers? II and XI I think.
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Post by: plastictrees
My only recollection is of the 2nd edition stuff mentioned above.
Always vaguely assumed they were meant to be g-g-g-ghosts!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I remember the story from the 2nd Ed Codex as well. I liked the way it implied them to be ghosts. I always thought of them as the spirits of long-dead Marine heroes. I honestly don't mind the Fire Hawks stuff, but it did take the mystery away. There has to be a middle ground between "Diseased Fire Hawks" and "Space Ghosts!".
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Post by: gorgon
 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:If these quotes indicate a ret-con away from "absolutely 100% Fire Hawks with warp disease and a detailed history of their transformation and operation" and towards "they really are unknown, but here are hints as to possible origins" then I'd be happy. I liked the 2nd edition Ultramarine Codex fluff for them, which was essentially a short story about Tigurius witnessing them fight orks and nothing else. It was totally up to you to make the connection with a tiny blurb about the Fire Hawks disappearing, which was on a separate page, and the codex didn't even hint at a link at all.
There's value in vagueness, it allows players to fill in the gaps, and what we imagine and the debates it inspires are often far better than what GW's crappy writers come up with. GW has long forgotten that and the fluff has suffered (see, for example, the entire Horus Heresy series).
I first knew them from the RT-era WD entry, so I've always accepted them to be Fire Hawks. *shrug*
Besides, their warp frenzy thing they did back then was fun. The Black Rage is tame by comparison...
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Post by: Azazelx
AegisGrimm wrote:I would simply assume that it would be a case similar to parts from old armor marks making it onto combat suits.
The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.
Yeah, none of the ones in 40k make actual sense, though I somewhat got over that back when Chaos Termies were metal and the only ones with belt feeds in their stombolters. (In the same way I eventually somewhat got over "how the hell could they fit in there with human anatomy?" terminators.) 
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I too preferred the pre-Fire Hawks LoTD. Even in the Cursed Founding rules in Chapter Approved never gave away anything as to their origins. I always thought the theory was cool that they were the Emperor's Will made manifest in times of need.
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Post by: Azazelx
azreal13 wrote:
Because of the DA quote? Possibly, would be my second choice, but the psychic thing tilts me in the direction of 1KS.
That and the Thousand Sons theory above both work in terms of "they are very old, and not just Fire Hawks" -
But
More importantly, both quotes work in terms of the LotD being a mystery. So of course DA and GK and the Inq are all interested in them....
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Post by: shade1313
The quotes, to me, seem more to indicate that NO ONE really knows, but that everyone who knows that they exist has their own theories, shaped by their own prejudices and mindset.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think they're old Rogue Trader space marines from the time before the background changed....
Space Marines created straight from adult convicts rather than carefully selected children etc
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Post by: Azazelx
shade1313 wrote:The quotes, to me, seem more to indicate that NO ONE really knows, but that everyone who knows that they exist has their own theories, shaped by their own prejudices and mindset.
Nod. Putting some of the mystery back in besides "Warp-stormed Fire Hawks" is a good thing.
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Post by: Bull0
This is up for pre-order now from the black library website at £9.99 The price point makes me concerned that this will be extremely light on content. http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html
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Post by: tomjoad
This really looks like Codex: =][= part 2. Probably it will allow LotD to ally with any Imperial force, and LotD will be the only unit, and it will just be a C&P from Codex: Space Marines. It says they can be fielded as a force on their own, so some kind of HQ will be in there (basic SM Captain, maybe?) and LotD will be scoring units when they're the primary detachment.
This isn't a bad product, I think, but nothing here should get anybody too excited either.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Azazelx wrote:Nod. Putting some of the mystery back in besides "Warp-stormed Fire Hawks" is a good thing.
Especially since Warp afflicted Storm Hawks don't make much sense the way they're presented. Being half dead and fully insane lets you warp into the field of battle at the exact correct moment to save the day? Nah...
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Post by: Ashiraya
What's up with the cover pic? The Marine has tiny legs.
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Post by: kronk
A picture adds 15 lbs. Being undead takes off 50 lbs.
It's science.
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Post by: Bull0
I think it's a combination of leaning forward so much as to almost be bent double and legs that were probably a little too small to begin with.
Based on the preview images it's got a mission or two in, one involving the Imperial Fists 3rd Company (the "Sentinels of Terra") and Be'lakor. But yeah, in terms of units in the book it's almost certainly as tomjoad says.
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Post by: Idolator
Is this only in e-book or is there a hard copy on the way?
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
LEGION OF THE DAMNED WARLORD TRAITS
If you are fielding an army where the primary detachment is a Legion of the Damned detachment, one Legionnaire Sergeant must be nominated as your army's Warlord.
When generating his Warlord Traits, a Legion of the Damned Warlord may either roll on one of the Warlord Traits tables in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook or roll on the table below.
D6 RESULT
1 - Inferno of Vengeance : So palpable is the vengeful fury that drives these Damned Legionnaires that the air about them ignites at their touch.
2 - Aura of Fear : Facing a host of the Adeptus Astartes is intimidating enough, but when such a force personifies the very image of fire and death, terror becomes absolute.
3- Ethereal Bolts : The ammunition fired by these Damned Legionnaires can pass through even the densest armour plating to wreak havoc on the vehicle's fragile mechanisms within.
4- Spectral Bulwark : These Legionnaires are utterly implacable, their phantasmal forms lending them a resilience beyond the ken of mortal men.
5- Never too late, Never too early : The Legion of the Damned are above all else for their uncanny ability to appear at the right place and at the right time to change the course of a battle.
6- Retribution Made Manifest : None can stand against these Damned Legionnaires, for they are the ambodiment of the Emperor's vengeance.
If i had to take i guess i'd say;
1- Soulfire( cc or ranged, dunno)
2- causes Fear
3- Tank Hunter or something akin to it.
4- FnP or SHrouded or rethrow failed saves
5- rethrow reserves rolls
6- not sure about this one, Hate/ PE/ FC ?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Re: psychic stuff, I thought there was talk in one of the codexes about the various saints and manifestations being some sort of psychic manifestation of faith or something along those lines?
Also, I was pretty sure that the LotD started appearing only recently/after the Badab war? Pretty sure there was some Tigurius quote identifying them as Fire Hawks, and he probably wouldn't have said that if they were around before the Fire Hawks disappeared.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
Fire Hawks and a bunch of other Chapters where 21st Foundation Chapters, also called the Cursed Foundation.
The 21st foundation was made in M36, Badab Wars where made in between 901.M41 and 913.M41.
So yeah LotD are older then the Badab Wars.
About the Saints manifestation, its ONE of the many theories that people have about the LotD, because only higher ups knows that (for now) the LotD are the Fire Hawks.
To the common folks and IG that sees the LotD in action, they havn't a clue about this, for them they are mere Ghosts/spirits/Saints of the Past, whatever they will believe on the spot.
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Post by: Cptskillet
"Hey everyone,
We have a brand new digital exclusive Codex available to pre-order now.
Codex Legion of the Damned is the most comprehensive guide yet to these mysterious and terrifying beings.
The Codex lets you add these dread warriors to a whole range of armies, or even form the primary detachment for your force.
There are also new warlords trait’s, a relic and three new Echoes of War missions to play."
Thats what is said about being able to use the codex. Seems badass that they can be the primary detachment.
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Post by: Breotan
iTunes has the interactive version ready for pre-order at $19.99 and the eBook version at $16.99. The blurb states that LotD Codex allows you to add LotD squads into your 40k army or as a detachment in their own right. I don't know if "into your 40k army" means elite choices or allies or something else. I do like the idea of an all LotD army though.
I wonder if they're bringing back Sgt Whoshisface? The guy with the skull thing.
Yep. I guess I'll get this since it's 20% off for me.
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Post by: d-usa
 Cptskillet wrote:"Hey everyone,
We have a brand new digital exclusive Codex available to pre-order now.
Codex Legion of the Damned is the most comprehensive guide yet to these mysterious and terrifying beings.
The Codex lets you add these dread warriors to a whole range of armies, or even form the primary detachment for your force.
There are also new warlords trait’s, a relic and three new Echoes of War missions to play."
Thats what is said about being able to use the codex. Seems badass that they can be the primary detachment.
Of course all they need is a single HQ and Troops choice (that you can take twice) and there is your primary detachment....
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Post by: Azreal13
Sgt Centurius.
I'd say it would be a solid bet, especially given the apparent 2nd Ed nostalgia emanating from Nottingham! but the lack of model (available for sale) might be a barrier.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
I wonder if the book will have rules for Sgt. Centurius? Would be nice, but as there is no model currently available, I have my doubts.
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Post by: tomjoad
Given the unexpected releases we've seen lately, the wild rumors we've heard that ended up being true...maybe the rumor that supplements will start being released along with a few minis to support them, maybe plastic LotD and this sergeant guy will be on their way.
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Post by: shade1313
Cptskillet wrote:"Hey everyone,
We have a brand new digital exclusive Codex available to pre-order now.
Codex Legion of the Damned is the most comprehensive guide yet to these mysterious and terrifying beings.
The Codex lets you add these dread warriors to a whole range of armies, or even form the primary detachment for your force.
There are also new warlords trait’s, a relic and three new Echoes of War missions to play."
Thats what is said about being able to use the codex. Seems badass that they can be the primary detachment.
Yep. Time to get back to work building and painting. I've got a couple battle companies of the original LotD that need finishing off.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 Tannhauser42 wrote:I wonder if the book will have rules for Sgt. Centurius? Would be nice, but as there is no model currently available, I have my doubts.
Why not update Sergeant Centurius to have a set of wargear that allows one of the two sergeant models to represent him?
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Post by: Cptskillet
That'd be pretty cool. Hopefully this will be a good release. My interest in 40k has been waning for abit now. I'll probably wait for reviews about the codex before I buy it.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
They made reruns of Cypher, wich was also, to my knowledge at least, OOP.
So if it is to cranck Cashflow in,specially to the LotD Fans..., recasting the Sgt will be more beneficial then not, also if they make it in Failcrack at 24.99$...
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Post by: tyrannosaurus
Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
 tyrannosaurus wrote:Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.
You got them mixed up.
The ones that Burst into Flames are the Flame Falcons( duh)
THE FLAME FALCONS
Next to nothing is known of the Flame Falcons Chapter, for they were declared Excommunicate within a century of their inception. Initial combat trials involving the chapter were a resounding success, and they were put on active service on the Southern Rim, based on their new homeworld of Lethe. Their first engagements, with Orks and Eldar pirates promised a great future for the chapter, as they were observed to be hardy and courageous, even for Space Marines.
It was at the battle of Raffenburg's World that things began to go awry for the Flame Falcons. At the height of the battle, their largest engagement at that point, the first company were observed to spontaneously immolate at the height of the fiercest fighting against the rebel forces. Fearing witchcraft, the chapter`s commander reinforced the front line and sent for an Inquisitor who was accompanying the Imperial army. When it was reported by the reinforcing Space Marines that the members of the first company were not dead, but were in fact fighting with renewed savagery covered in flames to which they themselves were immune, the commander declared it a miracle, a gift sent from the Emperor.
The Inquisitor had a different opinion. Knowing that he could not assault the Flame Falcons immediately, he bided his time, witnessing the remainder of the chapter undergo the same change as the first company.
Upon the successful completion of the campaign, the Flame Falcons returned to Lethe in celebrant mood convinced, as they were, that their unique ability was a manifestation of the Emperor`s grace. Soon after, the Grey Knights, at the Inquisition`s behest assaulted Lethe, ruthlessly destroying the cursed chapter. It is thought that a small number of Flame Falcons escaped that day, but of their fate, nothing whatsoever is known.
Immolation: The Brothers of the Flame Falcons Chapter are cursed with a terrible mutation that causes their bodies to become wreathed in flame. The Inquisition is particularly uncompromising in punishing these mutants wherever it encounters them.
The flames surrounding these Cursed Founding Space Marines render them difficult to target. As a result, they always receive a 5+ cover save from enemy shooting, and always count as occupying cover if they are charged by an enemy whilst in the open. However, their units may never take transport vehicles or be passengers in any other type of vehicle.
Points: +3 per model.
When i look at this, i really think that they should have done a Codex; 21st Foundation, rather then just LotD...
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Post by: tyrannosaurus
Slayer le boucher wrote: tyrannosaurus wrote:Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.
You got them mixed up.
The ones that Burst into Flames are the Flame Falcons( duh)
THE FLAME FALCONS
Next to nothing is known of the Flame Falcons Chapter, for they were declared Excommunicate within a century of their inception. Initial combat trials involving the chapter were a resounding success, and they were put on active service on the Southern Rim, based on their new homeworld of Lethe. Their first engagements, with Orks and Eldar pirates promised a great future for the chapter, as they were observed to be hardy and courageous, even for Space Marines.
It was at the battle of Raffenburg's World that things began to go awry for the Flame Falcons. At the height of the battle, their largest engagement at that point, the first company were observed to spontaneously immolate at the height of the fiercest fighting against the rebel forces. Fearing witchcraft, the chapter`s commander reinforced the front line and sent for an Inquisitor who was accompanying the Imperial army. When it was reported by the reinforcing Space Marines that the members of the first company were not dead, but were in fact fighting with renewed savagery covered in flames to which they themselves were immune, the commander declared it a miracle, a gift sent from the Emperor.
The Inquisitor had a different opinion. Knowing that he could not assault the Flame Falcons immediately, he bided his time, witnessing the remainder of the chapter undergo the same change as the first company.
Upon the successful completion of the campaign, the Flame Falcons returned to Lethe in celebrant mood convinced, as they were, that their unique ability was a manifestation of the Emperor`s grace. Soon after, the Grey Knights, at the Inquisition`s behest assaulted Lethe, ruthlessly destroying the cursed chapter. It is thought that a small number of Flame Falcons escaped that day, but of their fate, nothing whatsoever is known.
Immolation: The Brothers of the Flame Falcons Chapter are cursed with a terrible mutation that causes their bodies to become wreathed in flame. The Inquisition is particularly uncompromising in punishing these mutants wherever it encounters them.
The flames surrounding these Cursed Founding Space Marines render them difficult to target. As a result, they always receive a 5+ cover save from enemy shooting, and always count as occupying cover if they are charged by an enemy whilst in the open. However, their units may never take transport vehicles or be passengers in any other type of vehicle.
Points: +3 per model.
When i look at this, i really think that they should have done a Codex; 21st Foundation, rather then just LotD...
Thanks for that, was wondering why they had separate rules! +1 for Codex: 21st Founding [although I suppose you could just use the rules in the WD]
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Slayer le boucher wrote:Fire Hawks and a bunch of other Chapters where 21st Foundation Chapters, also called the Cursed Foundation.
The 21st foundation was made in M36, Badab Wars where made in between 901.M41 and 913.M41.
So yeah LotD are older then the Badab Wars.
Fire Hawks didn't start as LotD- they disappeared after (during?) Badab. The question is the dates when LotD first appear vs. when Fire Hawks disappear, not when the Fire Hawks appeared.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
Oh yeah got mixed up.
From what i could find.
THE LEGION OF THE DAMNED
The Legion of the Damned is a legend amongst the Adeptus Astartes. Appearing as ghostly apparitions to aid beleaguered Space Marines, this mysterious force has intervened in desperate battles on numerous occasions. The legionnaires reportedly wear power armour painted black and adorned with symbols of death, skeletons writhing in the flames of purgatory being a dominant theme. Eyewitnesses report the visible areas of the Space Marines` flesh are in a state of decay, lending the legionnaires a horrific, charnel aspect.
The examination of starship debris recovered in the Maran sub-sector suggests a link between the Legion of the Damned and the fate of the Fire Hawks Chapter. The Fire Hawks were declared Lost in the Warp in 983.M41, twenty years after the entire chapter set out for Crows World on a counter-invasion mission against the Eldar. The Inquisition are unsurprisingly keen to discover if the Legion of the Damned and the Fire Hawks are in fact one and the same chapter, and if so, how they gained their mysterious and deadly abilities.
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Post by: Yodhrin
*remembers buying 3rd Edition Codex:Space Marines for £8*
*is depressed*
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
You mean the 3rd Ed Space Marine Pamphlet?
That thing was almost as thin as NuDwarf.
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Post by: Relapse
tyrannosaurus wrote:Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.
That's what they were back when they first came out in a long ago White Dwarf. Each trooper cost an insane amout of points to field, but damn, they worked murder.
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Post by: Kelly502
Pre-ordered it, I have encountered the Legion miniatures, original fluff, and newer models here and there since the '80s. The book Legion of the Damned was ok, just barely mentioned in it, kind of an ominous presence throughout. anyway, I will try to glance more over the interactive book tonight. Pretty excited.
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Post by: stubacca
sorry if this has been mentioned already, but when it says 'include in your 40k army' I'm presuming it means anything Imperial?
Does anyone think that there'll be any exclusions? I don't want to pre-order this and find out I can't use them with Blood Angels, and that they're just Vanilla Marines/Imperial Guard only
and has the price increased on the iBooks store? I'm sure it was £9.99, and now it's £11.99
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Yep, this confirms it. I'm guessing quite a lot of people have pre-ordered this so GW are increasing the price to make more money?
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Post by: Kosake
I don't think so as It would not look good to charge 15-20€ for a magazine thinner than a WD weekly...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
the ibooks version of things is often (always?) more expensive as GW puts more wizzy extra links/popups etc into them taking advantage of the fancy stuff the format allows
(also they pay a huge cut to apple so the extra helps cover that)
the basic ebook versions which are cheaper but really not as user friendly are what you get from the BL site
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Also remember you can usually pick up iTunes gift cards cheap so reducing the real cost of the iBooks resion
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Post by: stubacca
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:the ibooks version of things is often (always?) more expensive as GW puts more wizzy extra links/popups etc into them taking advantage of the fancy stuff the format allows
(also they pay a huge cut to apple so the extra helps cover that)
the basic ebook versions which are cheaper but really not as user friendly are what you get from the BL site
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Also remember you can usually pick up iTunes gift cards cheap so reducing the real cost of the iBooks resion
The only codices more expensive are the Vanilla marines, Sisters of Battle (because there isn't a print version, right?), the Grey Knights.
The majority of the stuff is the same price, or just 1p cheaper (apart from the Iyanden supplement which is £5 cheaper)
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Post by: SRSFACE
You guys all let us know if this is anything cool, yeah?
As a Dark Angels player, i think I could fit some Legion of the Damned into a Greenwing list if we can take them. Having powerful foot units not in terminator armor is something we sorely lack.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Apparently there is blog on Tuesday - I asked them on Facebook for more details before I think about buying.
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Post by: Wyzilla
 ace101 wrote: azreal13 wrote:Hmmm, Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old. LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.
Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck. As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
 Wyzilla wrote: ace101 wrote: azreal13 wrote:Hmmm,
Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.
LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.
Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.
As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.
Didn't that degeneration only happen when:
1: They hit the Warp
2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.
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Post by: Wyzilla
 ZebioLizard2 wrote: Wyzilla wrote: ace101 wrote: azreal13 wrote:Hmmm,
Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.
LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.
Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.
As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.
Didn't that degeneration only happen when:
1: They hit the Warp
2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.
Which was all of the Thousand Sons to our knowledge- only Terra has a sample of their gene seed, which they wouldn't use, like with all the other sample gene-seed. Not to mention there's no reason to make such a stretch to claim Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons, when the Blood Angels are known to make larger use of psykers, and there was at least one chapter that got rid of the various defects of the Blood Angels' gene seed.
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Post by: Yodhrin
H.B.M.C. wrote:You mean the 3rd Ed Space Marine Pamphlet?
That thing was almost as thin as NuDwarf.
That's a disingenuous comparison and you know it, the page count may be similar, but the information content is not. Regardless, you could buy the rules to play every single loyalist Marine army available at the time for £15 less than just the Marine codex of today, and the vast majority of material in today's 'dex is recycled from old codices and rulebooks, with lots of full-page recycled artwork and a bigger "showcase" section to pad it out.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nah, sorry, but those original 3rd Ed books were crap. The fluff amounted to a paragraph next to each Codex entry.
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Post by: Kirasu
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Wyzilla wrote: ace101 wrote: azreal13 wrote:Hmmm,
Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.
LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.
Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.
As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.
Didn't that degeneration only happen when:
1: They hit the Warp
2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.
Magnus made a deal with the chaos gods to stabilize their gene seed and at any time Tzeentch could decide to just let them continue mutating. This happens when they use sorcery to manifest their powers (different from psychic powers). Also there are no loyalist thousand sons, as 100% of them were on Prospero when the wolves attacked (Of course Gw could retcon the fluff for no good reason). Either they died or went to the planet of sorcerors with magnus.. not many other options.
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Post by: Alpharius
H.B.M.C. wrote:Nah, sorry, but those original 3rd Ed books were crap. The fluff amounted to a paragraph next to each Codex entry.
Got to agree with H.B.M.C. here - the Blandness that Was 3rd Edition pretty much pushed me out of playing 40K until 4th dropped.
Weird that the Insanity That Is 6th is now doing the same thing to me!
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Post by: d-usa
3rd Edition: All of the rules, none of the narrative!
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
 d-usa wrote:3rd Edition: All of the rules, none of the narrative!
Not even that, it wasn't till the updated 3.5 codex's that were better at rules!
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Post by: Da Boss
I dunno, I liked the simplicity of early third edition.
It and 5th are my two favourites.
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Post by: Bull0
 Alpharius wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Nah, sorry, but those original 3rd Ed books were crap. The fluff amounted to a paragraph next to each Codex entry.
Got to agree with H.B.M.C. here - the Blandness that Was 3rd Edition pretty much pushed me out of playing 40K until 4th dropped.
Weird that the Insanity That Is 6th is now doing the same thing to me!
Just goes to show what a difficult balancing act that is. Until recently, I'd have said I preferred more complexity and craziness and choice and options to fewer, but what we have now is just too unwieldy. I guess it's very worth contextualizing the current crazy with the historical bland, though.
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Post by: TiamatRoar
 Kirasu wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote: Wyzilla wrote: ace101 wrote: azreal13 wrote:Hmmm,
Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.
LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.
Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.
As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.
Didn't that degeneration only happen when:
1: They hit the Warp
2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.
Magnus made a deal with the chaos gods to stabilize their gene seed and at any time Tzeentch could decide to just let them continue mutating. This happens when they use sorcery to manifest their powers (different from psychic powers). Also there are no loyalist thousand sons, as 100% of them were on Prospero when the wolves attacked (Of course Gw could retcon the fluff for no good reason). Either they died or went to the planet of sorcerors with magnus.. not many other options.
As of Scars, which is a pretty recent HH Novel, the Loyalist Thousand Son that has a quote which is the same as the Blood Raven's catch phrase, a raven motif, and a name that's similar to the name mentioned in Blood Ravens history is still very much alive, kicking, involved in the plot, and loyalist.
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Post by: Brother Weasel
Non of that is relevent to the LoTD.
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Post by: Bull0
The guys have been talking about whether the LoTD are 1K Sons or if the Blood Ravens are 1K Sons. It's relevant to that. Hope that's OK by you...
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Post by: Brother Weasel
 Bull0 wrote:The guys have been talking about whether the LoTD are 1K Sons or if the Blood Ravens are 1K Sons. It's relevant to that. Hope that's OK by you...
No it's not Ok with me, but that's neither here nor there... I disagree that all he Raven talk is relevent to weather the LOTD are T-sons. (they can both be tsons for all anyone knows, since both orgins are secret, for now)
it's a topic for general, I believe is more my point...
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Post by: Alpharius
On Topic in this thread, it really isn't relevant.
So yes, please take the Blood Ravens and Thousand Sons stuff elsewhere.
Thanks!
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Post by: stubacca
so does anyone know if I'll be able to use these guys with Blood Angels, or will they be limited to Vanilla Marines like the Storm Talon etc
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Post by: ace101
 stubacca wrote:so does anyone know if I'll be able to use these guys with Blood Angels, or will they be limited to Vanilla Marines like the Storm Talon etc
I guess its more a supplement/dataslate than an actual army, so BA might get a hold of these. With the Imperial Knights being a seperate army, one can't be certain, as LotD getting a codex themselves.
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Post by: stubacca
ace101 wrote: stubacca wrote:so does anyone know if I'll be able to use these guys with Blood Angels, or will they be limited to Vanilla Marines like the Storm Talon etc
I guess its more a supplement/dataslate than an actual army, so BA might get a hold of these. With the Imperial Knights being a separate army, one can't be certain, as LotD getting a codex themselves.
I'll just be patient and see what GW has to say! It'll be nice getting a bit of BA love aha
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Post by: Mr Morden
IMO:
They SHOULD be Allies of Convenience with all Imperial Forces with posisble exception of Codex Inquisiton as they tend to avoid them.
so thats All forms of Loyalist Space Marines, Guard, Knights, Sororitas..........maybe Inquisition.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Just got the Pre-Order email for the LotD codex and it's billed as a Digital Exclusive so it looks like no hardcover will show up
(if this has not been said already)
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/The-Codex-of-the-Damned.html
Welcome to your regular peek behind the scenes at Games Workshop Digital Editions. This week, we take a look at the new digital exclusive Codex: Legion of the Damned.
So what’s in the book?
BACKGROUND – VENGEANCE AND FLAME
The Legion of the Damned are one of the great mysteries of Warhammer 40,000: spectral figures who appear in times of dire need (and there are plenty of those!) to aid the warriors of the Emperor in battle. The origins of these mysterious warriors are explored in unprecedented detail in the new Codex.
Also in this section, you’ll find a timeline of their best known interventions throughout the 41st millennium. There are also first-hand accounts from those saved by the mysterious legionnaires, and from some that they have fought against, including this account from ill-fated Ork boss Redeye Rockjaw.
SHOWCASE – SAVIOURS FROM THE FLAMES
There’s a showcase of the full range of Legion of the Damned Citadel Miniatures, as well as numerous ‘in battle’ shots. There’s also new artwork of the Legion in battle including this piece, in which a Spiritseer of Craftworld Iyanden finds himself looking down the wrong end of a flaming bolter.
THE RULES – FORCES OF THE DAMNED
This Codex allows you to field large forces of Legion of the Damned, and even take them as a Primary Detachment. As well as giving more armies the option to include squads of Damned Legionnaires, these detachments gain other benefits, not the least of which is the ability to claim objectives (a useful trait in a Deep Striking squad of elite, and nigh-unkillable, undead Space Marines).
A primary detachment also allows you to nominate one of your Legion of the Damned Sergeants to be your Warlord, giving him access to a particularly brutal selection of Warlord traits, all of which affect the sergeant's full squad.
The Legion of the Damned are a band of faceless and mysterious warriors, but even within their ranks there is one who has been sighted again and again by those who have witnessed them in battle. Attica Centurius is the bearer of the Animus Malorum, a relic of unknown origins and terrible power.
The Codex also has the rules to equip one of your Sergeants with this Relic of the Damned, if you want to represent this mysterious figure in your force.
MISSIONS - ECHOES OF WAR
Finally, there are three new Echoes of War Missions, each set around one of the famous events in the Legion of the Damned's history. My favourite is one set on the legendary Imperial Fists flagship Phalanx as it is boarded by daemonic forces led by everyone’s favourite Daemon Prince – Be’lakor.
CHOOSE YOUR FORMAT:
So all in all, a… damned… fine book.
Codex: Legion of the Damned is available to pre-order now, and will be available to download this weekend.
eBook Edition:
For your phone, tablet, computer or eReader.
Interactive Edition:
For your iPad or Apple computer.
Thanks for reading, everyone.
- Eddie, Damned Legionnaire in training
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Post by: Henshini
So if I give GW some money, they will make more units in my codex scoring?
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Post by: reds8n
As long as you don't play Tyranids !
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Post by: ultimentra
Sounds like one hell of deal to me.
Guard Blob sitting on home objectives with Coteaz? Check
Scoring Henchmen? Check
Scoring Space Marines with ignores cover, deep strike, and a 3+ Invuln as allies? Check
Time to lose some friends.
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Post by: Grarg
The relic sounds like a res orb to me. Hopefully they add something like a deep strike assault, sort of like drop pod/deathwing assault. Should be very interesting, i'm tempted to pre-order it but i'll wait for some reviews first.
Dare to dream... dare to dream...
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Post by: Azreal13
Grarg wrote:The relic sounds like a res orb to me. Hopefully they add something like a deep strike assault, sort of like drop pod/deathwing assault. Should be very interesting, i'm tempted to pre-order it but i'll wait for some reviews first.
Dare to dream... dare to dream...
The Animus Malorum isn't new, it was a special wargear card back in 2nd that Sgt Centurius had, and it was a skull (unsurprisingly) IIRC, it was a ranged attack, somewhat akin to Flickering Fire Of Tzeentch (where it fired a random number of shots each turn) but don't quote me in that, 20+ years ago.
Fairly certain it was a ranged weapon though, and while it might be totally reinvented, that's what I'd expect again.
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Post by: Grarg
Ah ok cool. I just read up it, sucks the soul of the victim and brings back a fallen LotD member back.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Also pretty good if it works like the old one in that it targets individual models so can be used to kill (without saves or anything) high value models
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Post by: Alpharius
There’s also new artwork of the Legion in battle including this piece, in which a Spiritseer of Craftworld Iyanden finds himself looking down the wrong end of a flaming bolter.
Indeed.
Sad that it is 'digital only', for now.
I'll wait for the dead tree version, if then.
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Post by: SickSix
SOLD!
Yup I can't help it.
Primary Detachment
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Post by: GiraffeX
Yeah I'd prefer a dead tree edition as well.
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Post by: shade1313
While I'd love a hard copy...
*drooool*
*gets back to work on a huge backlog of LotD classic minis, humming happily at the thought of primary detachments*
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Post by: Grimtuff
azreal13 wrote:Grarg wrote:The relic sounds like a res orb to me. Hopefully they add something like a deep strike assault, sort of like drop pod/deathwing assault. Should be very interesting, i'm tempted to pre-order it but i'll wait for some reviews first.
Dare to dream... dare to dream...
The Animus Malorum isn't new, it was a special wargear card back in 2nd that Sgt Centurius had, and it was a skull (unsurprisingly) IIRC, it was a ranged attack, somewhat akin to Flickering Fire Of Tzeentch (where it fired a random number of shots each turn) but don't quote me in that, 20+ years ago.
Fairly certain it was a ranged weapon though, and while it might be totally reinvented, that's what I'd expect again.
It was a ranged weapon that resurrected dead Legionnaires for each model killed by it IIRC.
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Post by: G00fySmiley
Alpharius wrote:There’s also new artwork of the Legion in battle including this piece, in which a Spiritseer of Craftworld Iyanden finds himself looking down the wrong end of a flaming bolter.
Indeed.
Sad that it is 'digital only', for now.
I'll wait for the dead tree version, if then.
color printer?
I got the eldar iyanden supplement and got tired of having to break out the tablet. screen captured and printed it out
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Post by: insaniak
I find myself a little disappointed int eh artwork having them actually on fire instead of it just being decoration... The 'burning dude' motif is supposed to belong to the Flame Falcons, not the Legion of the Damned.
Other than that, this is the sort of army that the supplement idea should have been focusing on all along, rather than a variant of a variant of something that is already in a codex. So, yay for that, at least.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Do we even know if the book has more than one and a half entry? The blurb doesn't read like we should expect to see LotD devs or Dreads.
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Post by: Kelly502
Pre-ordered mine today!
Finally going to break out Sgt. Centurius from the blister pack.
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Post by: Kiwidru
insaniak wrote: The 'burning dude' motif is supposed to belong to the Flame Falcons, not the Legion of the Damned.
Alliteration aside, the fire hawks seem just as likely as the flame falcons to spontaneously combust and have a much more fleshed out place in the lore... also: No -one saw that coming?!? its like lou gehrig never getting tested for lou gehrig's disease...baffles my mind.
Edit to properly code quote.
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Post by: shade1313
Actually, I quite like the flames, as it makes them more spectral and "ghosty", and less "diseased remnants of some cursed founding chapter".
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Post by: SickSix
I'm calling it now, next major tournament winner is LotD primary with 3 Knights as allies!
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Post by: Alpharius
 G00fySmiley wrote: Alpharius wrote:There’s also new artwork of the Legion in battle including this piece, in which a Spiritseer of Craftworld Iyanden finds himself looking down the wrong end of a flaming bolter.
Indeed.
Sad that it is 'digital only', for now.
I'll wait for the dead tree version, if then.
color printer?
I got the eldar iyanden supplement and got tired of having to break out the tablet. screen captured and printed it out
That's dedication - good for you!
It's not for me though!
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Post by: Retrogamer0001
"Let's make them buy a Codex to use with their Codex on top of the BRB!"
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Post by: Kosake
With a good helping of "and make them buy tablets to read any of it, as requested by our iStore-friends".
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Post by: Coyote81
SickSix wrote:I'm calling it now, next major tournament winner is LotD primary with 3 Knights as allies!
Don't forget your Inquisition allies so you can take one of them as your warlord instead of a Sergeant.
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Post by: Kosake
 Coyote81 wrote: SickSix wrote:I'm calling it now, next major tournament winner is LotD primary with 3 Knights as allies!
Don't forget your Inquisition allies so you can take one of them as your warlord instead of a Sargeant.
With a Land Raider as dedicated transport.
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Post by: Nightlord1987
Lets all hope they can be Battle Brothers with Tau?
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Post by: Brother Weasel
Kosake wrote:
With a good helping of "and make them buy tablets to read any of it, as requested by our iStore-friends".
or a computer....
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Post by: xxvaderxx
does this mean 3+ will mean anything again, cose sure as hell my marines tend to evaporate as fast as my guard now days...
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Don't know if this has been posted already, but...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=13500020
Of course, they’re disinclined to fight alongside races like Orks and Tyranids, but they can pop up in the strangest of places to aid their allies.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Ahh c rap - guess they thought that Eldar and Tau needed a power boost ;(
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Post by: G00fySmiley
or an android device, it is generally an epub file with some ... *cough* extra code that is not needed and can be user removed
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Post by: fullheadofhair
For those of us that are curious any chance someone can tell us what units makes up the army list? No point values etc - I am just curious as to what they have for FA, their Elite type choices and Heavies.
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Post by: DJGietzen
We don't know yet, but If I had to wager they will all be elite units and a number of them will count as scoring. The big question I have is will they have 1st turn deep strike rules.
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Post by: deleted20250424
 DJGietzen wrote:We don't know yet, but If I had to wager they will all be elite units and a number of them will count as scoring. The big question I have is will they have 1st turn deep strike rules.
So they can get the objective on the other side of the board before 3 of your 5 Knights get there.
Duh.
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Post by: DJGietzen
If the thinking is correct and that it will be just the codex marine unit reprinted and new FOC rules like Inq codex then they have to do something about these guys requiring deployment via deep strike. With out some kind of new rules for the same old unit, or new units this army will get tabled every single game so I expect either they will be able to DS something like half the units on turn 1 or some legion units will be able to be deployed normally. I'm really not expecting new units, heck I am inclined to believe there is a real possibility we just pick a Sargent to be the warlord and there won't even be any HQ units in the codex. Only time will tell though.
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Post by: led571
DJGietzen wrote:If the thinking is correct and that it will be just the codex marine unit reprinted and new FOC rules like Inq codex then they have to do something about these guys requiring deployment via deep strike. With out some kind of new rules for the same old unit, or new units this army will get tabled every single game so I expect either they will be able to DS something like half the units on turn 1 or some legion units will be able to be deployed normally. I'm really not expecting new units, heck I am inclined to believe there is a real possibility we just pick a Sargent to be the warlord and there won't even be any HQ units in the codex. Only time will tell though.
Your right on the warlord issue. Here is the blog they put up yesterday. Was going to order this but will wait till i see the rules first.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/The-Codex-of-the-Damned.html
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Post by: Retrogamer0001
Jesus, I just looked over some of the prices for LOTD units and they are insanely expensive - 129.99 for a single squad? Have GW lost their minds?
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Post by: Azazelx
I've got shirtloads of them. I might now have a reason to paint a few more up.
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Post by: Breotan
 Retrogamer0001 wrote:Jesus, I just looked over some of the prices for LOTD units and they are insanely expensive - 129.99 for a single squad? Have GW lost their minds?
I'm guessing Canadians are getting hosed on currency rates again?
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Post by: skrulnik
Azazelx wrote:I've got shirtloads of them. I might now have a reason to paint a few more up.
Yeah. I've got a full squad of the old 2nd ed version, with the goofy shoulder mounted lascannon.
I also bought one of each sculpt of the current version when they were still metal, and enough duplicates to get me to 3 full units with all the weapon swaps, in addition to the 2nd ed unit.
I had a quirky thematic list with 3 units of LotD, the Master of Recruits as commander, and scouts, scout bikes, and Speeder Storms. Wasn't real competitive, but it was fun, if I didn't get blown off the table turn 1.
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Post by: Retrogamer0001
Breotan wrote: Retrogamer0001 wrote:Jesus, I just looked over some of the prices for LOTD units and they are insanely expensive - 129.99 for a single squad? Have GW lost their minds?
I'm guessing Canadians are getting hosed on currency rates again?
I guess so, but even that doesn't explain why a squad of ten marines is so expensive.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2420002a
Are they supposed to be made of gold instead of plastic?
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Finecast. Next best thing.
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Post by: BoomWolf
Failcast*
Anyway, if you want some LoTD, just get some Death Company and make your own. still expensive, but less so, and you get plenty of bits.
1 DC box and 1 combat squad should be enough to make 10 DC, and have lots of bits left over.
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Post by: Azazelx
 skrulnik wrote: Azazelx wrote:I've got shirtloads of them. I might now have a reason to paint a few more up.
Yeah. I've got a full squad of the old 2nd ed version, with the goofy shoulder mounted lascannon.
I also bought one of each sculpt of the current version when they were still metal, and enough duplicates to get me to 3 full units with all the weapon swaps, in addition to the 2nd ed unit.
I had a quirky thematic list with 3 units of LotD, the Master of Recruits as commander, and scouts, scout bikes, and Speeder Storms. Wasn't real competitive, but it was fun, if I didn't get blown off the table turn 1.
I've also got a few of the originals. You know, from back when you just painted Marine Models in black with Bones and Flames. I don't think I've used them since 3rd Ed. Or was it 2nd Ed? It will be nice to do as you have and paint up a bunch of stuff to go with them.
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
I am so tempted to buy some of those failcast LotD models, if only stores like spikeybitz and Minature Market sold them! Automatically Appended Next Post: Azazelx wrote: skrulnik wrote: Azazelx wrote:I've got shirtloads of them. I might now have a reason to paint a few more up.
Yeah. I've got a full squad of the old 2nd ed version, with the goofy shoulder mounted lascannon.
I also bought one of each sculpt of the current version when they were still metal, and enough duplicates to get me to 3 full units with all the weapon swaps, in addition to the 2nd ed unit.
I had a quirky thematic list with 3 units of LotD, the Master of Recruits as commander, and scouts, scout bikes, and Speeder Storms. Wasn't real competitive, but it was fun, if I didn't get blown off the table turn 1.
I've also got a few of the originals. You know, from back when you just painted Marine Models in black with Bones and Flames. I don't think I've used them since 3rd Ed. Or was it 2nd Ed? It will be nice to do as you have and paint up a bunch of stuff to go with them.
...Wow, were the LotD back then supposed to the "Special" SM chapter or something? The guy on the far right looks like he's drooling!
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Post by: Azazelx
That's one of the old, old sculpts. That guy was "wounded marine" from memory.
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Post by: deleted20250424
 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:...Wow, were the LotD back then supposed to the "Special" SM chapter or something? The guy on the far right looks like he's drooling!
He uses the Slow and Purposeful rules.
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
Azazelx wrote:That's one of the old, old sculpts. That guy was "wounded marine" from memory.
...So he is drooling? I guess it makes sense since it looks like he has a massive head injury... Automatically Appended Next Post:  TalonZahn wrote: Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:...Wow, were the LotD back then supposed to the "Special" SM chapter or something? The guy on the far right looks like he's drooling!
He uses the Slow and Purposeful rules.
You almost made me fall out of m,y chair laughing. Thank you.
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Post by: Azazelx
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: Azazelx wrote:That's one of the old, old sculpts. That guy was "wounded marine" from memory.
...So he is drooling? I guess it makes sense since it looks like he has a massive head injury...
I think it's supposed to be moaning in pain. It's not a particularly good sculpt, and it's from long before marines were all epic heroes and were a bit more ...human in their depictions.
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Post by: krazynadechukr
Quick question, I have 1500 pts Guard, bought an Imperial Knight, making the list 1850ish, and bought 5 LotD minis... I know, I know, new codex coming, BUT what is the current point cost of 5 Damned? Will this make my 2k list complete, or over?
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Post by: B0B MaRlEy
No, you could make a legal list using your 5 models, but you won't have many points for upgrades for them.
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Post by: krazynadechukr
This is what I have -
Legion of the Damned w/1 Flamer, & Sergeant w/Plasma Gun & Force Axe..
About 150 pts would you say?
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Post by: B0B MaRlEy
No, you're out of points
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Post by: krazynadechukr
Are you saying I went over 2k? If so, I will trim some guard options off... Thanks! (If I am short of 2k, I will add some upgrades here and there.)
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Post by: B0B MaRlEy
You're 10 points over, so if you can shave that from your "other" list you'll be good to go
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Post by: krazynadechukr
Thanks BOB!
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Post by: Backspacehacker
Well, im exited.
All of my army is painted Legion of the Damned any way, even did not work on the backpacks adding skulls and stuff
Maybe we will finaly see people field LotD squads now, because as it currently stands you can field s full squad of sterngurad for cheaper and they do more damage
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Post by: kronk
Retrogamer0001 wrote:Jesus, I just looked over some of the prices for LOTD units and they are insanely expensive - 129.99 for a single squad? Have GW lost their minds?
I know. You can do a HH MKIII squad for much cheaper from Forge World.
Craziness!
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Post by: plastictrees
Wondering how feasible cutting up the plastic flamers of tzeentch is for detailing LotD? Probably easier to just sculpt flames?
Can't decide if the LotD are ridiculous or awesome. A 10 year old and a 40 year old are fighting in my brain.
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Post by: Azazelx
They're both right. But then again - context. 40k. And again - both right.
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Post by: krazynadechukr
Tried to preorder e-codex from BL,4x now. 4 cards. All responses say "declined." (and yes these are my cards)Anyone else have problems?
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ah, finally got it! downloaded LotD codex!
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Post by: Neith
 fullheadofhair wrote:For those of us that are curious any chance someone can tell us what units makes up the army list? No point values etc - I am just curious as to what they have for FA, their Elite type choices and Heavies.
The only entry is Damned Legionnaires, which are Elite. No HQ/Fast/Heavy. It's quite a small Codex, but the Damned Legionnaires squad is pretty customizable and if you use them as a primary detachment you have Warlord Traits and so on. I can't imagine it'd be a very interesting army to play as a primary but bringing some along as allies could be interesting.
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Post by: shade1313
 Neith wrote: fullheadofhair wrote:For those of us that are curious any chance someone can tell us what units makes up the army list? No point values etc - I am just curious as to what they have for FA, their Elite type choices and Heavies.
The only entry is Damned Legionnaires, which are Elite. No HQ/Fast/Heavy. It's quite a small Codex, but the Damned Legionnaires squad is pretty customizable and if you use them as a primary detachment you have Warlord Traits and so on. I can't imagine it'd be a very interesting army to play as a primary but bringing some along as allies could be interesting.
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Post by: haroon
Neith wrote: fullheadofhair wrote:For those of us that are curious any chance someone can tell us what units makes up the army list? No point values etc - I am just curious as to what they have for FA, their Elite type choices and Heavies.
The only entry is Damned Legionnaires, which are Elite. No HQ/Fast/Heavy. It's quite a small Codex, but the Damned Legionnaires squad is pretty customizable and if you use them as a primary detachment you have Warlord Traits and so on. I can't imagine it'd be a very interesting army to play as a primary but bringing some along as allies could be interesting.
So no troop choice? Then how do you play it as your primary?
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
Legionnaires squads are scoring units in a Primary detachement iirc.
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Post by: tomjoad
This is exactly what all the promotional comments GW have made said the Codex would be, so it's not exactly disappointing, but this doesn't sound like something that'll be a huge seller, either.
I don't really think that's too bad a thing, though. Obviously, I want them to offer something that excites ME, and this really doesn't, but it excites a LOT of other people, as this thread attests. The sort of customization that GW have been offering us is kind of cool lately, and aside from D weapons and Dataslate Formations, nothing seems to be broken, so I'm plenty glad to see them on this path.
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Post by: Azazelx
So how is it different to the entry in the SM Codex?
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Post by: urzaplanewalker
I just got the codex. There doesn't appear to be any way to take an army entirely of Legion. They still all must deep strike with normal reserve rolls. O.o
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Post by: krazynadechukr
squad of 5 to 10 for reg games, squads of 10 for apoc games....
-Edited by insaniak. Not appropriate discussion for the forum. -
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Post by: SickSix
urzaplanewalker wrote:I just got the codex. There doesn't appear to be any way to take an army entirely of Legion. They still all must deep strike with normal reserve rolls. O.o
But they specifically stated you can take them as primary detachment. WTF?
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Post by: urzaplanewalker
SickSix wrote:urzaplanewalker wrote:I just got the codex. There doesn't appear to be any way to take an army entirely of Legion. They still all must deep strike with normal reserve rolls. O.o
But they specifically stated you can take them as primary detachment. WTF?
You can... but if you don't take an ally you lose.
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Post by: Kirasu
Typical.. 17$ (CORRECTED) for a book that is just a copy paste from codex SM and yet they can't even foresee the problem with an entire army that is kept in reserve..
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Post by: urzaplanewalker
Kirasu wrote:Typical.. 41$ for a book that is just a copy paste from codex SM and yet they can't even foresee the problem with an entire army that is kept in reserve..
$17
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
Some good news for those (like me) tempted to buy some resin LotD models now, apparently GW are now using FW type resin instead of failcast for their models.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/02/changes-found-in-finecast-resin.html
via a reader here on Faeit 212
So I dont think I saw an official notification from GW that finecast was gone now but I received my 10 legion of the damned guys today and they are a dark grey plastic/resin much like the FW mini's.
See pix attached, I saw a warp spider in this material too today and its really good stuff, not a single fault in any of the 10 I ordered.
I actually found a few old finecast bits and these newer models are a slightly lighter shade of grey, and I can only exainplain the colour and lack of faults on it being a new material.
Though I did start second guessing myself but it seems to be harder to drill and than the older stuff.
It just feels more like the harder FW resins. The store manager seemed very interested in how good these were and I was like this does now look like finecast.
Who know either way I have never seen so many faultless models in one place ever
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Post by: evildrcheese
Are the LotD a special allied attachment ala Inqusition or do they take up your allies slot? Can Sisters of Battle use them? Is there any rules for how they act with the inqusition?
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Post by: urzaplanewalker
They are a detachment like Inquisition.
Their ally chart looks exactly the same as the Imperial Knights.
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Post by: livanbard
Ok now lets make a list of Imperial Knights, Inquisition and LOTD. I rather see a full codex. Are at last differences from the C:SM version?
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Post by: urzaplanewalker
1 REALLY good relic. 35 points for 1 of your sergeants. Totally worth it. Rules for how many units you can have per attachment. Pretty neat lore stuff. Some cool missions. Appoc formation.
my new 1850 list is:
Primary:
2 Knight errants
1 Knight Paladin
Detachment:
4 5 man Legion of the damned squads(Converted from tactical marines because I am NOT paying $100 for a 10 man squad) (melta, heavy bolter, sergeants have grav pistols and power weapons) One squad has that insane relic.
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Post by: Mr Morden
urzaplanewalker wrote:They are a detachment like Inquisition.
Their ally chart looks exactly the same as the Imperial Knights.
thanks - do either both Include Sororitas and if so at what level?
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Post by: urzaplanewalker
Man... all the sisters players. All Imperial is battle bros.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Thanks - its just sometimes they don't mention the digital codex's by name ............
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Post by: thunderingjove
Very very cursory look through the book. How is a warlord to be determined, when there are no HQs? Do you just select a sergeant are your WL?
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Post by: stubacca
I like the idea of using them, I wanted some to use with my Assaulty Flesh Tearer list. Death Company Dreadnought, 10 x Death Company and 10 x of these guys.
They provide something a little different to Death Company but some definite drawbacks, like they can't run, overwatch 0_o (is that against GW to mention that?) in that case, they can't jog and fire into the air...?
Which I find a bit odd in the fluff considering they're supposed to be super elite? Granted, gaming wise they'd be totally OP
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Post by: Troike
What's the fluff like? Any good?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
They could have at least included the rules for Sergeant Centurius... but of course not, because there's no model to sell. 
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Post by: aka_mythos
That's a shame... Poor Centaurus condemned to the shelf and the annals of history. GW could have at least done what they did for the Iron Hands supplement and given them the relics to effectively create characters.
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Post by: Heliodore
But page 6 of this thread mentions this:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2014/2/25/790158854dd6b37950a34f7b41fcab84_5394.jpg
Isn't that the Sgt. Centaurus relic, or something else, or wrong info?
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Post by: d3m01iti0n
LotD wasnt selling well, but GW came up with a great way to dupe the masses into buying them.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Ok. Didn't see that post. I don't really have any intention to buy this supplement short of rave reviews. It just sounded like the only content was a copy and paste of the unit entry from Codex: SM
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Post by: krazynadechukr
My first e-codex, and I feel so dirty. $17 gone. Several pages are just a picture of single painted figures and the facing page is blank. Several pages have single paragraphs, or even single sentences. They repeated a couple pictures here and there too, making me think I jumped back a few pages. Also on some scenarios it says you need a companion codex (like sentinels) to play. If you condense it all down, and print it (double sided), you'd have about 19 pages.
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Imho
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Post by: Kosake
You go ahead and set up your desktop rig in your FLGS when you want to check back on a rule during a game...
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Post by: ClockworkZion
I took a look a the codex for the curious who want to know more about what's inside: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/03/new-release-codex-legion-of-damned.html
I predict some will be mad about it, others will be mad at me for not being more upset.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Kosake wrote:You go ahead and set up your desktop rig in your FLGS when you want to check back on a rule during a game...
I do that with my laptop, and it is SO BLOODY ANNOYING ! Good thing I mainly play Warmachine these days. Also, now that my father has a kindle, he let me burrow it sometimes, which so much more practical.
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Post by: Kriswall
Not to beat a dead horse, but you can buy a printer for next to nothing and you're allowed to print out a copy for personal use. I just print the relevant unit and rule entries and I'm good to go.
Complaining that you have to bring a computer to a FLGS to read something when you can just print it out seems very odd to me. Seems a little melodramatic.
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Post by: Red Corsair
You flubbed your math on armorbane in your article by 2 points. They max at 16 and average an 11.
Also it's fine to field a legion primary, you just need an allied detachment for turn 1. Perfectly fluffy when you consider the rule is AID UNLOOKED FOR. Clearly they need someone to help or the force makes no sense being deployed. I don't think it was an oversight.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
 Red Corsair wrote:
You flubbed your math on armorbane in your article by 2 points. They max at 16 and average an 11.
Also it's fine to field a legion primary, you just need an allied detachment for turn 1. Perfectly fluffy when you consider the rule is AID UNLOOKED FOR. Clearly they need someone to help or the force makes no sense being deployed. I don't think it was an oversight.
Thanks for the catch.
And now we all know why I don't do math right after rolling out of bed in the morning.
The issue with Aid Unlooked For is it means you can't just run a pure Legion army. You have to take something else in there (which isn't a huge issue, but it'd be nice to run pure Legion too in my opinion).
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
“S4+ 2d6=Max 18, average being 13” Not very much into calculus, are you ? S4+ 2d6=Max 16, average 11.5 Still a frightening prospect, but as much as you overstated it. Also, Spectral Horrors + Aura of Fear + Animus Malorum = POWER OVERWHELMING ! [edit]Crap, too late[/edit] Automatically Appended Next Post:  Kriswall wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but you can buy a printer for next to nothing and you're allowed to print out a copy for personal use. I just print the relevant unit and rule entries and I'm good to go.
That is just forgetting how the crappy, crappy layout is totally unfit for printing on A4 page, as it is made for very small screens. And how the content is spread out all over. You end up with many dozens of pages with crappy layout, which is not much better than the original situation, except you had to work, and to spend some money, to get that still crappy result.
You can work and pay even more to redo the layout and get the printed page binded, and then you will just have done yourself the work GW should have done.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
“S4+ 2d6=Max 18, average being 13”
Not very much into calculus, are you ?
S4+ 2d6=Max 16, average 11.5
Still a frightening prospect, but as much as you overstated it.
Also, Spectral Horrors + Aura of Fear + Animus Malorum = POWER OVERWHELMING !
[edit]Crap, too late[/edit]
Yeah, the math is fixed now. And no, I don't do Calc.
And yes, you could make people very mad at you if you can pair that with say, Scouts with Sniper Rifles to force pinning checks too....
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Aura of Fear will not work on those pinning checks, though.
It is much more fun when the Ld test comes with a -6+ penalty. So, your warlord have Ld4 now, have fun .
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Aura of Fear will not work on those pinning checks, though.
It is much more fun when the Ld test comes with a -6+ penalty. So, your warlord have Ld4 now, have fun .
Ah, true, true. Making someone's Tigurius Ld4 is hilarious though.
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Post by: shade1313
I'm just somewhat annoyed that my hopes got up, and I ought to have known better. They had a complete army list for LotD in 2nd edition (granted, in WD, but still a fuller list than this "codex"), they gave us rules in the cursed founding article later (3rd, wasn't it?) that, again, allowed a full army...but this falls short of those WD offerings.
Still, it does let me take "proper" LotD as a detachment, now I just have to figure out which other army's rules to use for the bulk of the force, which will not be too glaring in the difference between the full LotD squads, and the rest of the army.
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Post by: Brother Weasel
Kosake wrote:
You go ahead and set up your desktop rig in your FLGS when you want to check back on a rule during a game...
Print it...
Seriously tired of the same old arguments... Go read petre's sig
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Post by: Neith
I think using them as primary detachment is stupid (fluff-wise and because you'd automatically lose if you didn't have anything allied with them- they MUST Deep Strike but rules state you have to have at least something on the table to begin with...), but I'm going to use a squad as an allied detachment for my Blood Angels.
I do however refuse to pay £55 for 10 LotD models so this will be an experiment in using Green Stuff on Tactical Squads
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Post by: Platuan4th
Neith wrote:(fluff-wise and because you'd automatically lose if you didn't have anything allied with them- they MUST Deep Strike but rules state you have to have at least something on the table to begin with...)
I love how many people get this rule wrong. If something MUST Deep Strike, it doesn't count towards the calculation of mandatory units on the board. Therefore, if your entire list MUST Deep Strike(not CAN), you are able to start with nothing on the board as there's no units to count towards that minimum. You'd only auto-lose if you have nothing that's allowed to come down Turn One.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
shade1313 wrote:
I'm just somewhat annoyed that my hopes got up, and I ought to have known better. They had a complete army list for LotD in 2nd edition (granted, in WD, but still a fuller list than this "codex"), they gave us rules in the cursed founding article later (3rd, wasn't it?) that, again, allowed a full army...but this falls short of those WD offerings.
Still, it does let me take "proper" LotD as a detachment, now I just have to figure out which other army's rules to use for the bulk of the force, which will not be too glaring in the difference between the full LotD squads, and the rest of the army.
A large part of why I do my little looks into codexes the way I do (I dare not call them "reviews" because I don't feel I'm objective enough) is to help alleviate buyer's remorse and give people something they can reference before purchase, especially on digital only offerings.
And 2nd Edition had a lot of stuff that was more substantial. It also lasted about a decade and have more time to really flesh things out like that. I'll agree though that they could have done more with the Legion and when I saw the single unit in there with no transports or really any other options I was disappointed. That said, it doesn't mean we won't get more eventually, but for now I'll take what I can get. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Platuan4th wrote: Neith wrote:(fluff-wise and because you'd automatically lose if you didn't have anything allied with them- they MUST Deep Strike but rules state you have to have at least something on the table to begin with...)
I love how many people get this rule wrong.
If something MUST Deep Strike, it doesn't count towards the calculation of mandatory units on the board. Therefore, if your entire list MUST Deep Strike(not CAN), you are able to start with nothing on the board as there's no units to count towards that minimum.
You'd only auto-lose if you have nothing that's allowed to come down Turn One.
Yeah, the issues is if you have no units on the table at the end of the turn, you lose.
There is a rule called "Aid from Above" rule in the Glossary that brings stuff in turn 1, but that runs into the issue of not being anywhere else in the codex. Either someone forgot to remove it from the test copy, or someone forgot to put it in unit/army rules.
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Post by: shade1313
 ClockworkZion wrote:shade1313 wrote:
I'm just somewhat annoyed that my hopes got up, and I ought to have known better. They had a complete army list for LotD in 2nd edition (granted, in WD, but still a fuller list than this "codex"), they gave us rules in the cursed founding article later (3rd, wasn't it?) that, again, allowed a full army...but this falls short of those WD offerings.
Still, it does let me take "proper" LotD as a detachment, now I just have to figure out which other army's rules to use for the bulk of the force, which will not be too glaring in the difference between the full LotD squads, and the rest of the army.
A large part of why I do my little looks into codexes the way I do (I dare not call them "reviews" because I don't feel I'm objective enough) is to help alleviate buyer's remorse and give people something they can reference before purchase, especially on digital only offerings.
And 2nd Edition had a lot of stuff that was more substantial. It also lasted about a decade and have more time to really flesh things out like that. I'll agree though that they could have done more with the Legion and when I saw the single unit in there with no transports or really any other options I was disappointed. That said, it doesn't mean we won't get more eventually, but for now I'll take what I can get.
At least there's good artwork, and fluff. As for the 2+ battle companies worth of the older minis that I've got on hand, well I continue to weigh other codices that I can use for the bulk of the army, and I'll use the newer (metal, I bought a fair amount of them) minis to represent the detachment that is "proper" LotD.
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Post by: Kirasu
The review is cool and all, but since they can't and shouldn't be used as a primary detachment the entire review of the book could be summed up with the following.
"Pay 17$, see Codex: Sm for identical rules oh and they're battle brothers with imperium"
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Post by: SRSFACE
ClockworkZion wrote:
Thanks for the catch.
And now we all know why I don't do math right after rolling out of bed in the morning.
http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/p1jk76/futurama-action-rangers
Skip to 0:50. I imagined you "rolling out of bed in the morning" in the same way Gygax decides how to greet people.
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Post by: Backspacehacker
Sorry i have not been fully following this thread, but from what im getting here.
Is the LotD codex just a copy pasta from the SM codex? with some apoc rules thrown in?
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Kirasu wrote:The review is cool and all, but since they can't and shouldn't be used as a primary detachment the entire review of the book could be summed up with the following.
"Pay 17$, see Codex: Sm for identical rules oh and they're battle brothers with imperium"
That doesn't really explain the Relic, or the FOC though does it. Your snark is noted though, and yes it could have been shorter but then I'd feel lazy and like I wasn't really giving people a look at what's in the book.
Well it's more of a half-roll/half-crawl. I tend to sleep near the wall and my bed is a Queen so it takes a little manuevering to get to the otherside to get out of bed (and then not trip over anything that's on the floor). Automatically Appended Next Post:  Backspacehacker wrote:Sorry i have not been fully following this thread, but from what im getting here.
Is the LotD codex just a copy pasta from the SM codex? with some apoc rules thrown in?
Added Relic, a FOC chart, allies rules, rules for using it as your primary detachment, the datasheet and 3 special scenario missions. New fluff, new art, just not new units. I have a feeling when C: SM gets updated the Legion will move out of it and have more room to grow. Until then, yes, it's basically a "copy paste" plus all the stuff extra I just mentioned.
You know, since we're distilling things down into the most oversimplified forms possible.
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Post by: Backspacehacker
Well unless they had a point over haul, they are still not worth taking, which makes me sad :(
They just cost to much for what they bring to a table.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 aka_mythos wrote:I don't really have any intention to buy this supplement short of rave reviews. It just sounded like the only content was a copy and paste of the unit entry from Codex: SM
Having read over the book, yet, it's just a copy/paste job, a whole lot of special rules (from the rulebook) that you don't need, one new item, a Warlord table (woo!), and lots of fluff. It's not a "Codex", but it will be the first of two Codices released in two weeks that have only one unit in them.
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Post by: Backspacehacker
H.B.M.C. wrote: aka_mythos wrote:I don't really have any intention to buy this supplement short of rave reviews. It just sounded like the only content was a copy and paste of the unit entry from Codex: SM
Having read over the book, yet, it's just a copy/paste job, a whole lot of special rules (from the rulebook) that you don't need, one new item, a Warlord table (woo!), and lots of fluff. It's not a "Codex", but it will be the first of two Codices released in two weeks that have only one unit in them.
GWs bass ackwards way of trying to push models that arnt selling.
"Hey how about instead of putting out a codex that makes the unit more viable, thus making people want to buy them, lets see how many we can dupe by putting out some fluff in a book with some whistles, no bells, thats to much"
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Post by: Breotan
I am so glad they officially back off the whole Fire Hawks thing. Yes, they still mention it but give it no greater weight than any other "rumor".
There is also a conflict in the codex. Quixos had a theory about the LotD and he was killed in 343.M41 and the Fire Hawks didn't disappear until 963.M41. So, how could the Fire Hawks be the LotD if the LotD where known about 620 years before the Fire Hawks disappeared into the warp?
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Post by: stubacca
Neith wrote:I think using them as primary detachment is stupid (fluff-wise and because you'd automatically lose if you didn't have anything allied with them- they MUST Deep Strike but rules state you have to have at least something on the table to begin with...), but I'm going to use a squad as an allied detachment for my Blood Angels.
I do however refuse to pay £55 for 10 LotD models so this will be an experiment in using Green Stuff on Tactical Squads
One of the dudes at my FLGS said that any rule in the codex over rules any in the BRB, if there's a conflict, so does that mean you can get a fully deep striking army?
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Post by: Kirasu
stubacca wrote: Neith wrote:I think using them as primary detachment is stupid (fluff-wise and because you'd automatically lose if you didn't have anything allied with them- they MUST Deep Strike but rules state you have to have at least something on the table to begin with...), but I'm going to use a squad as an allied detachment for my Blood Angels.
I do however refuse to pay £55 for 10 LotD models so this will be an experiment in using Green Stuff on Tactical Squads
One of the dudes at my FLGS said that any rule in the codex over rules any in the BRB, if there's a conflict, so does that mean you can get a fully deep striking army?
But there isn't a conflict? The rule works as intended, however, you still auto-lose. It's not a conflict that GW doesn't understand how their game works, perhaps an oversight but we got no way of knowing that without a FAQ.
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Post by: DJGietzen
We won't get an FAQ, and this more then likely won't be updated. Its stupid that you can't field just the damned but if you read the codex you can see making the a primary detachment was not the books focus and it feels sort of 'thrown in for good measure'. Sure it would be an easy fix to amend the rule that forces the to deep strike into stating that primary detachments may choose to deep strike but that would require some one in the design team to still be working on this codex.
Personalty, I like it, aside from the lack of foresight on GW's part. I made some 'fallen angels' to use as legion of the damned when I play m DA as white scars. Now I can use those models when I play my DA as DA and with that relic they get even better!
The guys are painted by my buddy at http://www.twilightemporium.net/
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Post by: stubacca
Kirasu wrote: stubacca wrote: Neith wrote:I think using them as primary detachment is stupid (fluff-wise and because you'd automatically lose if you didn't have anything allied with them- they MUST Deep Strike but rules state you have to have at least something on the table to begin with...), but I'm going to use a squad as an allied detachment for my Blood Angels.
I do however refuse to pay £55 for 10 LotD models so this will be an experiment in using Green Stuff on Tactical Squads
One of the dudes at my FLGS said that any rule in the codex over rules any in the BRB, if there's a conflict, so does that mean you can get a fully deep striking army?
But there isn't a conflict? The rule works as intended, however, you still auto-lose. It's not a conflict that GW doesn't understand how their game works, perhaps an oversight but we got no way of knowing that without a FAQ.
This is annoys me about GW. The date at the back of this "codex" is from the end of January this year, so they've had 4 weeks to look at it. Well, more than likely they've had a lot longer to look at it, to play test. They're so damned secretive about the rules that the only way to find out they've messed up, or been as thorough, is to spend £12 on something that 'has no refunds'
I'm on the lookout on eBay for models though, I'm not paying £115 for 20 minis, I'll give it a play test
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
HA!
Play test?
That's a good one stubacca.
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Post by: jonolikespie
What, you don't believe GW employees are allowed (*cough*encouraged*cough*) to play with the new toys in their lunch break before sending it all off to the printers?
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Post by: shade1313
Breotan wrote:I am so glad they officially back off the whole Fire Hawks thing. Yes, they still mention it but give it no greater weight than any other "rumor".
There is also a conflict in the codex. Quixos had a theory about the LotD and he was killed in 343.M41 and the Fire Hawks didn't disappear until 963.M41. So, how could the Fire Hawks be the LotD if the LotD where known about 620 years before the Fire Hawks disappeared into the warp?
How widely known are Quixos' theory and the appearance of the LotD which brought them to his attention? Those with the Fire Hawks theory may not be aware of those items...undermining the whole Fire Hawks thing even more. Which would make me happy, at it happens. Never cared for the FH theory.
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Post by: Kosake
Kriswall wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but you can buy a printer for next to nothing and you're allowed to print out a copy for personal use. I just print the relevant unit and rule entries and I'm good to go.
Complaining that you have to bring a computer to a FLGS to read something when you can just print it out seems very odd to me. Seems a little melodramatic.
So not only do you have to pay a ton of hard-earned cash on small, faulty and unbalanced codices but you now have to print them out for yourself? it gets better by the minute.
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Post by: SickSix
I just noticed, in the process of taking inventory of my own LotD models, that none of the squad or apoc deals include the beaky flamer. So you have to buy him separate at $16 to complete your collection. Having said that I am only missing one sculpt. So I am probably going to risk it and buy the Damned Legionnaires 1 to get the beaky with the sling on his bolter. There are rumors now that failcast has been replaced with proper resin so here is hoping for the best!
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Post by: Ehldar
Am I reading right or did GW flub something again.......I don't see the 3++ (invul) save for LoTD anymore - it's in the SM Codex....
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Post by: ItsPug
It's under the unyielding spectres rule.
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*** Beaten to it***
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Post by: Ninjacommando
Breotan wrote:I am so glad they officially back off the whole Fire Hawks thing. Yes, they still mention it but give it no greater weight than any other "rumor".
There is also a conflict in the codex. Quixos had a theory about the LotD and he was killed in 343.M41 and the Fire Hawks didn't disappear until 963.M41. So, how could the Fire Hawks be the LotD if the LotD where known about 620 years before the Fire Hawks disappeared into the warp?
Well the LOTD travel a gakload through the warp. remember it is possible to Enter the Warp in a Ship and Arrive at your location Hundreds/thousands of years before you even left.
In the Inquisition Codex there is a part about the Ordo Chronos that deals with Time, People from the future arriving through warp travel. In the LOTD codex there are parts about the Ordo Chronos trying to track the movements of the LOTD
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Kirasu wrote:
But there isn't a conflict? The rule works as intended, however, you still auto-lose. It's not a conflict that GW doesn't understand how their game works, perhaps an oversight but we got no way of knowing that without a FAQ.
Where's your evidence of insider-knowledge that shows they are unaware of how this would work?
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Post by: Backspacehacker
 Ninjacommando wrote: Breotan wrote:I am so glad they officially back off the whole Fire Hawks thing. Yes, they still mention it but give it no greater weight than any other "rumor".
There is also a conflict in the codex. Quixos had a theory about the LotD and he was killed in 343.M41 and the Fire Hawks didn't disappear until 963.M41. So, how could the Fire Hawks be the LotD if the LotD where known about 620 years before the Fire Hawks disappeared into the warp?
Well the LOTD travel a gakload through the warp. remember it is possible to Enter the Warp in a Ship and Arrive at your location Hundreds/thousands of years before you even left.
In the Inquisition Codex there is a part about the Ordo Chronos that deals with Time, People from the future arriving through warp travel. In the LOTD codex there are parts about the Ordo Chronos trying to track the movements of the LOTD
^^ this.
When dealing with warp traveling, in any scenes of the idea, be it 40k, startrek, ect ect, the rules of time and space become more like guide lines then rules.
With the way the legion operates its pretty possible that they can travel through time, the only way to get to a battle is if the emperor toret tell them to go there, they are heavily mutated by the warp, so for all we know they are just flying through the warp popping up all over time were the emperor needs them.
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Post by: Kirasu
 DarknessEternal wrote: Kirasu wrote:
But there isn't a conflict? The rule works as intended, however, you still auto-lose. It's not a conflict that GW doesn't understand how their game works, perhaps an oversight but we got no way of knowing that without a FAQ.
Where's your evidence of insider-knowledge that shows they are unaware of how this would work?
Because they included rules to use them as a primary detachment maybe? That shows they have no idea that a primary detachment auto-loses.
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Kirasu wrote: DarknessEternal wrote: Kirasu wrote:
But there isn't a conflict? The rule works as intended, however, you still auto-lose. It's not a conflict that GW doesn't understand how their game works, perhaps an oversight but we got no way of knowing that without a FAQ.
Where's your evidence of insider-knowledge that shows they are unaware of how this would work?
Because they included rules to use them as a primary detachment maybe? That shows they have no idea that a primary detachment auto-loses.
That's not really how deductive reasoning works.
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Post by: tomjoad
DarknessEternal wrote: Kirasu wrote: DarknessEternal wrote: Kirasu wrote:
But there isn't a conflict? The rule works as intended, however, you still auto-lose. It's not a conflict that GW doesn't understand how their game works, perhaps an oversight but we got no way of knowing that without a FAQ.
Where's your evidence of insider-knowledge that shows they are unaware of how this would work?
Because they included rules to use them as a primary detachment maybe? That shows they have no idea that a primary detachment auto-loses.
That's not really how deductive reasoning works.
It's also not how the game works (allies being extant and all).
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Post by: DarknessEternal
 tomjoad wrote:
It's also not how the game works (allies being extant and all).
I was trying to lead him to water, but yes.
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