New SM Codex: Legion of the Damned!?

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**shade1313**

The quotes, to me, seem more to indicate that NO ONE really knows, but that everyone who knows that they exist has their own theories, shaped by their own prejudices and mindset.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I think they're old Rogue Trader space marines from the time before the background changed....

Space Marines created straight from adult convicts rather than carefully selected children etc

**Azazelx**

shade1313 wrote:
The quotes, to me, seem more to indicate that NO ONE really knows, but that everyone who knows that they exist has their own theories, shaped by their own prejudices and mindset.

Nod. Putting some of the mystery back in besides "Warp-stormed Fire Hawks" is a good thing.

**Bull0**

This is up for pre-order now from the black library website at £9.99

The price point makes me concerned that this will be extremely light on content.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html

**tomjoad**

This really looks like Codex: =][= part 2. Probably it will allow LotD to ally with any Imperial force, and LotD will be the only unit, and it will just be a C&P from Codex: Space Marines. It says they can be fielded as a force on their own, so some kind of HQ will be in there (basic SM Captain, maybe?) and LotD will be scoring units when they're the primary detachment.

This isn't a bad product, I think, but nothing here should get anybody too excited either.

**His Master's Voice**

Azazelx wrote:
Nod. Putting some of the mystery back in besides "Warp-stormed Fire Hawks" is a good thing.

Especially since Warp afflicted Storm Hawks don't make much sense the way they're presented. Being half dead and fully insane lets you warp into the field of battle at the exact correct moment to save the day? Nah...

**Ashiraya**

Bull0 wrote:
This is up for pre-order now from the black library website at £9.99

The price point makes me concerned that this will be extremely light on content.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html

What's up with the cover pic? The Marine has tiny legs.

**kronk**

BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
This is up for pre-order now from the black library website at £9.99

The price point makes me concerned that this will be extremely light on content.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html

What's up with the cover pic? The Marine has tiny legs.

A picture adds 15 lbs. Being undead takes off 50 lbs.

It's science.

**Bull0**

I think it's a combination of leaning forward so much as to almost be bent double and legs that were probably a little too small to begin with.

Based on the preview images it's got a mission or two in, one involving the Imperial Fists 3rd Company (the "Sentinels of Terra") and Be'lakor. But yeah, in terms of units in the book it's almost certainly as tomjoad says.

**Idolator**

Is this only in e-book or is there a hard copy on the way?

**Slayer le boucher**

LEGION OF THE DAMNED WARLORD TRAITS
If you are fielding an army where the primary detachment is a Legion of the Damned detachment, one Legionnaire Sergeant must be nominated as your army's Warlord.
When generating his Warlord Traits, a Legion of the Damned Warlord may either roll on one of the Warlord Traits tables in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook or roll on the table below.

D6 RESULT
1 - Inferno of Vengeance : So palpable is the vengeful fury that drives these Damned Legionnaires that the air about them ignites at their touch.
2 - Aura of Fear : Facing a host of the Adeptus Astartes is intimidating enough, but when such a force personifies the very image of fire and death, terror becomes absolute.
3- Ethereal Bolts : The ammunition fired by these Damned Legionnaires can pass through even the densest armour plating to wreak havoc on the vehicle's fragile mechanisms within.
4- Spectral Bulwark : These Legionnaires are utterly implacable, their phantasmal forms lending them a resilience beyond the ken of mortal men.
5- Never too late, Never too early : The Legion of the Damned are above all else for their uncanny ability to appear at the right place and at the right time to change the course of a battle.
6- Retribution Made Manifest : None can stand against these Damned Legionnaires, for they are the ambodiment of the Emperor's vengeance.

If i had to take i guess i'd say;

1- Soulfire( cc or ranged, dunno)
2- causes Fear
3- Tank Hunter or something akin to it.
4- FnP or SHrouded or rethrow failed saves
5- rethrow reserves rolls
6- not sure about this one, Hate/PE/FC ?

**spiralingcadaver**

Re: psychic stuff, I thought there was talk in one of the codexes about the various saints and manifestations being some sort of psychic manifestation of faith or something along those lines?

Also, I was pretty sure that the LotD started appearing only recently/after the Badab war? Pretty sure there was some Tigurius quote identifying them as Fire Hawks, and he probably wouldn't have said that if they were around before the Fire Hawks disappeared.

**Slayer le boucher**

Fire Hawks and a bunch of other Chapters where 21st Foundation Chapters, also called the Cursed Foundation.

The 21st foundation was made in M36, Badab Wars where made in between 901.M41 and 913.M41.

So yeah LotD are older then the Badab Wars.

About the Saints manifestation, its ONE of the many theories that people have about the LotD, because only higher ups knows that (for now) the LotD are the Fire Hawks.

To the common folks and IG that sees the LotD in action, they havn't a clue about this, for them they are mere Ghosts/spirits/Saints of the Past, whatever they will believe on the spot.

**Cptskillet**

"Hey everyone,
We have a brand new digital exclusive Codex available to pre-order now.
Codex Legion of the Damned is the most comprehensive guide yet to these mysterious and terrifying beings.

The Codex lets you add these dread warriors to a whole range of armies, or even form the primary detachment for your force.
There are also new warlords trait’s, a relic and three new Echoes of War missions to play."

Thats what is said about being able to use the codex. Seems badass that they can be the primary detachment.

**Breotan**

iTunes has the interactive version ready for pre-order at $19.99 and the eBook version at $16.99. The blurb states that LotD Codex allows you to add LotD squads into your 40k army or as a detachment in their own right. I don't know if "into your 40k army" means elite choices or allies or something else. I do like the idea of an all LotD army though.

I wonder if they're bringing back Sgt Whoshisface? The guy with the skull thing.

Yep. I guess I'll get this since it's 20% off for me.

**d-usa**

Cptskillet wrote:
"Hey everyone,
We have a brand new digital exclusive Codex available to pre-order now.
Codex Legion of the Damned is the most comprehensive guide yet to these mysterious and terrifying beings.

The Codex lets you add these dread warriors to a whole range of armies, or even form the primary detachment for your force.
There are also new warlords trait’s, a relic and three new Echoes of War missions to play."

Thats what is said about being able to use the codex. Seems badass that they can be the primary detachment.

Of course all they need is a single HQ and Troops choice (that you can take twice) and there is your primary detachment....

**Azreal13**

Sgt Centurius.

I'd say it would be a solid bet, especially given the apparent 2nd Ed nostalgia emanating from Nottingham! but the lack of model (available for sale) might be a barrier.

**Tannhauser42**

I wonder if the book will have rules for Sgt. Centurius? Would be nice, but as there is no model currently available, I have my doubts.

**tomjoad**

Given the unexpected releases we've seen lately, the wild rumors we've heard that ended up being true...maybe the rumor that supplements will start being released along with a few minis to support them, maybe plastic LotD and this sergeant guy will be on their way.

**shade1313**

Cptskillet wrote:
"Hey everyone,
We have a brand new digital exclusive Codex available to pre-order now.
Codex Legion of the Damned is the most comprehensive guide yet to these mysterious and terrifying beings.

The Codex lets you add these dread warriors to a whole range of armies, or even form the primary detachment for your force.
There are also new warlords trait’s, a relic and three new Echoes of War missions to play."

Thats what is said about being able to use the codex. Seems badass that they can be the primary detachment.

Yep. Time to get back to work building and painting. I've got a couple battle companies of the original LotD that need finishing off.

**MajorWesJanson**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
I wonder if the book will have rules for Sgt. Centurius? Would be nice, but as there is no model currently available, I have my doubts.

Why not update Sergeant Centurius to have a set of wargear that allows one of the two sergeant models to represent him?

**Cptskillet**

That'd be pretty cool. Hopefully this will be a good release. My interest in 40k has been waning for abit now. I'll probably wait for reviews about the codex before I buy it.

**Slayer le boucher**

They made reruns of Cypher, wich was also, to my knowledge at least, OOP.

So if it is to cranck Cashflow in,specially to the LotD Fans..., recasting the Sgt will be more beneficial then not, also if they make it in Failcrack at 24.99$...

**tyrannosaurus**

Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.

**Slayer le boucher**

tyrannosaurus wrote:
Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.

You got them mixed up.

The ones that Burst into Flames are the Flame Falcons( duh)

THE FLAME FALCONS

Next to nothing is known of the Flame Falcons Chapter, for they were declared Excommunicate within a century of their inception. Initial combat trials involving the chapter were a resounding success, and they were put on active service on the Southern Rim, based on their new homeworld of Lethe. Their first engagements, with Orks and Eldar pirates promised a great future for the chapter, as they were observed to be hardy and courageous, even for Space Marines.

It was at the battle of Raffenburg's World that things began to go awry for the Flame Falcons. At the height of the battle, their largest engagement at that point, the first company were observed to spontaneously immolate at the height of the fiercest fighting against the rebel forces. Fearing witchcraft, the chapter`s commander reinforced the front line and sent for an Inquisitor who was accompanying the Imperial army. When it was reported by the reinforcing Space Marines that the members of the first company were not dead, but were in fact fighting with renewed savagery covered in flames to which they themselves were immune, the commander declared it a miracle, a gift sent from the Emperor.

The Inquisitor had a different opinion. Knowing that he could not assault the Flame Falcons immediately, he bided his time, witnessing the remainder of the chapter undergo the same change as the first company.

Upon the successful completion of the campaign, the Flame Falcons returned to Lethe in celebrant mood convinced, as they were, that their unique ability was a manifestation of the Emperor`s grace. Soon after, the Grey Knights, at the Inquisition`s behest assaulted Lethe, ruthlessly destroying the cursed chapter. It is thought that a small number of Flame Falcons escaped that day, but of their fate, nothing whatsoever is known.

Immolation: The Brothers of the Flame Falcons Chapter are cursed with a terrible mutation that causes their bodies to become wreathed in flame. The Inquisition is particularly uncompromising in punishing these mutants wherever it encounters them.

The flames surrounding these Cursed Founding Space Marines render them difficult to target. As a result, they always receive a 5+ cover save from enemy shooting, and always count as occupying cover if they are charged by an enemy whilst in the open. However, their units may never take transport vehicles or be passengers in any other type of vehicle.

Points: +3 per model.

When i look at this, i really think that they should have done a Codex; 21st Foundation, rather then just LotD...

**tyrannosaurus**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
tyrannosaurus wrote:
Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.

You got them mixed up.

The ones that Burst into Flames are the Flame Falcons( duh)

THE FLAME FALCONS

Next to nothing is known of the Flame Falcons Chapter, for they were declared Excommunicate within a century of their inception. Initial combat trials involving the chapter were a resounding success, and they were put on active service on the Southern Rim, based on their new homeworld of Lethe. Their first engagements, with Orks and Eldar pirates promised a great future for the chapter, as they were observed to be hardy and courageous, even for Space Marines.

It was at the battle of Raffenburg's World that things began to go awry for the Flame Falcons. At the height of the battle, their largest engagement at that point, the first company were observed to spontaneously immolate at the height of the fiercest fighting against the rebel forces. Fearing witchcraft, the chapter`s commander reinforced the front line and sent for an Inquisitor who was accompanying the Imperial army. When it was reported by the reinforcing Space Marines that the members of the first company were not dead, but were in fact fighting with renewed savagery covered in flames to which they themselves were immune, the commander declared it a miracle, a gift sent from the Emperor.

The Inquisitor had a different opinion. Knowing that he could not assault the Flame Falcons immediately, he bided his time, witnessing the remainder of the chapter undergo the same change as the first company.

Upon the successful completion of the campaign, the Flame Falcons returned to Lethe in celebrant mood convinced, as they were, that their unique ability was a manifestation of the Emperor`s grace. Soon after, the Grey Knights, at the Inquisition`s behest assaulted Lethe, ruthlessly destroying the cursed chapter. It is thought that a small number of Flame Falcons escaped that day, but of their fate, nothing whatsoever is known.

Immolation: The Brothers of the Flame Falcons Chapter are cursed with a terrible mutation that causes their bodies to become wreathed in flame. The Inquisition is particularly uncompromising in punishing these mutants wherever it encounters them.

The flames surrounding these Cursed Founding Space Marines render them difficult to target. As a result, they always receive a 5+ cover save from enemy shooting, and always count as occupying cover if they are charged by an enemy whilst in the open. However, their units may never take transport vehicles or be passengers in any other type of vehicle.

Points: +3 per model.

When i look at this, i really think that they should have done a Codex; 21st Foundation, rather then just LotD...

Thanks for that, was wondering why they had separate rules! +1 for Codex: 21st Founding [although I suppose you could just use the rules in the WD]

**spiralingcadaver**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Fire Hawks and a bunch of other Chapters where 21st Foundation Chapters, also called the Cursed Foundation.

The 21st foundation was made in M36, Badab Wars where made in between 901.M41 and 913.M41.

So yeah LotD are older then the Badab Wars.

Fire Hawks didn't start as LotD- they disappeared after (during?) Badab. The question is the dates when LotD first appear vs. when Fire Hawks disappear, not when the Fire Hawks appeared.

**Slayer le boucher**

Oh yeah got mixed up.

From what i could find.

THE LEGION OF THE DAMNED

The Legion of the Damned is a legend amongst the Adeptus Astartes. Appearing as ghostly apparitions to aid beleaguered Space Marines, this mysterious force has intervened in desperate battles on numerous occasions. The legionnaires reportedly wear power armour painted black and adorned with symbols of death, skeletons writhing in the flames of purgatory being a dominant theme. Eyewitnesses report the visible areas of the Space Marines` flesh are in a state of decay, lending the legionnaires a horrific, charnel aspect.

The examination of starship debris recovered in the Maran sub-sector suggests a link between the Legion of the Damned and the fate of the Fire Hawks Chapter. The Fire Hawks were declared Lost in the Warp in 983.M41, twenty years after the entire chapter set out for Crows World on a counter-invasion mission against the Eldar. The Inquisition are unsurprisingly keen to discover if the Legion of the Damned and the Fire Hawks are in fact one and the same chapter, and if so, how they gained their mysterious and deadly abilities.

**Yodhrin**

Bull0 wrote:
This is up for pre-order now from the black library website at £9.99

The price point makes me concerned that this will be extremely light on content.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html

*remembers buying 3rd Edition Codex:Space Marines for £8*

*is depressed*

**H.B.M.C.**

You mean the 3rd Ed Space Marine Pamphlet?

That thing was almost as thin as NuDwarf.