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 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Was reading an old WD today that had rules for Cursed Founding chapters. LotD were linked to Fire Hawks, although Fire Hawks had separate rules [cover save from flames that surrounded their bodies]. Also remember reading a story about LotD being Fire Hawks that were trapped in the warp and maybe starved to death? So yeah, for me, pretty clear that LotD = Fire Hawks.


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Pre-ordered it, I have encountered the Legion miniatures, original fluff, and newer models here and there since the '80s. The book Legion of the Damned was ok, just barely mentioned in it, kind of an ominous presence throughout. anyway, I will try to glance more over the interactive book tonight. Pretty excited.

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sorry if this has been mentioned already, but when it says 'include in your 40k army' I'm presuming it means anything Imperial?

Does anyone think that there'll be any exclusions? I don't want to pre-order this and find out I can't use them with Blood Angels, and that they're just Vanilla Marines/Imperial Guard only

and has the price increased on the iBooks store? I'm sure it was £9.99, and now it's £11.99


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 Bull0 wrote:
This is up for pre-order now from the black library website at £9.99

The price point makes me concerned that this will be extremely light on content.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html


Yep, this confirms it. I'm guessing quite a lot of people have pre-ordered this so GW are increasing the price to make more money?

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 Idolator wrote:
Is this only in e-book or is there a hard copy on the way?


I don't think so as It would not look good to charge 15-20€ for a magazine thinner than a WD weekly...

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the ibooks version of things is often (always?) more expensive as GW puts more wizzy extra links/popups etc into them taking advantage of the fancy stuff the format allows

(also they pay a huge cut to apple so the extra helps cover that)

the basic ebook versions which are cheaper but really not as user friendly are what you get from the BL site


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Also remember you can usually pick up iTunes gift cards cheap so reducing the real cost of the iBooks resion

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
the ibooks version of things is often (always?) more expensive as GW puts more wizzy extra links/popups etc into them taking advantage of the fancy stuff the format allows

(also they pay a huge cut to apple so the extra helps cover that)

the basic ebook versions which are cheaper but really not as user friendly are what you get from the BL site


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Also remember you can usually pick up iTunes gift cards cheap so reducing the real cost of the iBooks resion


The only codices more expensive are the Vanilla marines, Sisters of Battle (because there isn't a print version, right?), the Grey Knights.

The majority of the stuff is the same price, or just 1p cheaper (apart from the Iyanden supplement which is £5 cheaper)

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You guys all let us know if this is anything cool, yeah?

As a Dark Angels player, i think I could fit some Legion of the Damned into a Greenwing list if we can take them. Having powerful foot units not in terminator armor is something we sorely lack.
   
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Apparently there is blog on Tuesday - I asked them on Facebook for more details before I think about buying.

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 ace101 wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.


Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.

As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 ace101 wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.


Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.

As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.


Didn't that degeneration only happen when:

1: They hit the Warp

2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 ace101 wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.


Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.

As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.


Didn't that degeneration only happen when:

1: They hit the Warp

2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.


Which was all of the Thousand Sons to our knowledge- only Terra has a sample of their gene seed, which they wouldn't use, like with all the other sample gene-seed. Not to mention there's no reason to make such a stretch to claim Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Sons, when the Blood Angels are known to make larger use of psykers, and there was at least one chapter that got rid of the various defects of the Blood Angels' gene seed.

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You mean the 3rd Ed Space Marine Pamphlet?

That thing was almost as thin as NuDwarf.




That's a disingenuous comparison and you know it, the page count may be similar, but the information content is not. Regardless, you could buy the rules to play every single loyalist Marine army available at the time for £15 less than just the Marine codex of today, and the vast majority of material in today's 'dex is recycled from old codices and rulebooks, with lots of full-page recycled artwork and a bigger "showcase" section to pad it out.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 ace101 wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.


Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.

As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.



Didn't that degeneration only happen when:

1: They hit the Warp

2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.


Magnus made a deal with the chaos gods to stabilize their gene seed and at any time Tzeentch could decide to just let them continue mutating. This happens when they use sorcery to manifest their powers (different from psychic powers). Also there are no loyalist thousand sons, as 100% of them were on Prospero when the wolves attacked (Of course Gw could retcon the fluff for no good reason). Either they died or went to the planet of sorcerors with magnus.. not many other options.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah, sorry, but those original 3rd Ed books were crap. The fluff amounted to a paragraph next to each Codex entry.


Got to agree with H.B.M.C. here - the Blandness that Was 3rd Edition pretty much pushed me out of playing 40K until 4th dropped.

Weird that the Insanity That Is 6th is now doing the same thing to me!
   
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 d-usa wrote:
3rd Edition: All of the rules, none of the narrative!


Not even that, it wasn't till the updated 3.5 codex's that were better at rules!
   
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I dunno, I liked the simplicity of early third edition.
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 Alpharius wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nah, sorry, but those original 3rd Ed books were crap. The fluff amounted to a paragraph next to each Codex entry.


Got to agree with H.B.M.C. here - the Blandness that Was 3rd Edition pretty much pushed me out of playing 40K until 4th dropped.

Weird that the Insanity That Is 6th is now doing the same thing to me!

Just goes to show what a difficult balancing act that is. Until recently, I'd have said I preferred more complexity and craziness and choice and options to fewer, but what we have now is just too unwieldy. I guess it's very worth contextualizing the current crazy with the historical bland, though.

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 Kirasu wrote:
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 ace101 wrote:
 azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?
Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.


Blood Ravens aren't loyalist Thousand Sons. The HH books revealed that their gene seed is unstable as hell and only resulted into them being all turned into degenerate monsters. The only way to preserve them was use of the Rubric- but there are no more new Thousand Sons. Also, the author that dropped that line that makes people think the Blood Ravens are loyalist 1K also, IIRC, denied that was its meaning. Blood Ravens are not 1K Sons, it's literally impossible. They're likely just Blood Angels who managed to kick the curse like the Lamenters, only without suffering from terrible luck.

As for the Legion of the Damned, their Black Library novel has them as pretty much invincible ghosts with a ghost monastery space fortress. They're only physical beings when they want, otherwise they teleport/zip around the galaxy as they plan, always saving Imperial forces from defeat- from the Guard to Space Marines. Pretty much Daemons of the Emperor, considering the GEOM is pretty much a warp entity now after ten millennium of worship and sacrifices.



Didn't that degeneration only happen when:

1: They hit the Warp

2: When Tzeentch took a very specific interest in them.


Magnus made a deal with the chaos gods to stabilize their gene seed and at any time Tzeentch could decide to just let them continue mutating. This happens when they use sorcery to manifest their powers (different from psychic powers). Also there are no loyalist thousand sons, as 100% of them were on Prospero when the wolves attacked (Of course Gw could retcon the fluff for no good reason). Either they died or went to the planet of sorcerors with magnus.. not many other options.




As of Scars, which is a pretty recent HH Novel, the Loyalist Thousand Son that has a quote which is the same as the Blood Raven's catch phrase, a raven motif, and a name that's similar to the name mentioned in Blood Ravens history is still very much alive, kicking, involved in the plot, and loyalist.

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Relevant: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_ravens#Possible_Thousand_Sons_connections


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Non of that is relevent to the LoTD.
   
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The guys have been talking about whether the LoTD are 1K Sons or if the Blood Ravens are 1K Sons. It's relevant to that. Hope that's OK by you...

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 Bull0 wrote:
The guys have been talking about whether the LoTD are 1K Sons or if the Blood Ravens are 1K Sons. It's relevant to that. Hope that's OK by you...


No it's not Ok with me, but that's neither here nor there... I disagree that all he Raven talk is relevent to weather the LOTD are T-sons. (they can both be tsons for all anyone knows, since both orgins are secret, for now)

it's a topic for general, I believe is more my point...

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On Topic in this thread, it really isn't relevant.

So yes, please take the Blood Ravens and Thousand Sons stuff elsewhere.

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so does anyone know if I'll be able to use these guys with Blood Angels, or will they be limited to Vanilla Marines like the Storm Talon etc

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 stubacca wrote:
so does anyone know if I'll be able to use these guys with Blood Angels, or will they be limited to Vanilla Marines like the Storm Talon etc
I guess its more a supplement/dataslate than an actual army, so BA might get a hold of these. With the Imperial Knights being a seperate army, one can't be certain, as LotD getting a codex themselves.

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 ace101 wrote:
 stubacca wrote:
so does anyone know if I'll be able to use these guys with Blood Angels, or will they be limited to Vanilla Marines like the Storm Talon etc
I guess its more a supplement/dataslate than an actual army, so BA might get a hold of these. With the Imperial Knights being a separate army, one can't be certain, as LotD getting a codex themselves.


I'll just be patient and see what GW has to say! It'll be nice getting a bit of BA love aha

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IMO:

They SHOULD be Allies of Convenience with all Imperial Forces with posisble exception of Codex Inquisiton as they tend to avoid them.

so thats All forms of Loyalist Space Marines, Guard, Knights, Sororitas..........maybe Inquisition.


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Just got the Pre-Order email for the LotD codex and it's billed as a Digital Exclusive so it looks like no hardcover will show up

(if this has not been said already)

 
   
 
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