New SM Codex: Legion of the Damned!?

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**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Knight of the Flame ? Who are those ?
Beside, how do you use flame to purge marines that are already on fire in their natural state ?

**H.B.M.C.**

SickSix wrote:
I'm just glad I got my guys in metal. Right H.B.M.C??

Damn straight!

**d-usa**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Knight of the Flame ? Who are those ?
Beside, how do you use flame to purge marines that are already on fire in their natural state ?

Grey Knights I think...

**Azreal13**

Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?

**d-usa**

The Fallen!

That would seem like a pretty big change and feels a bit forced. But hey, black armor...

**Azreal13**

d-usa wrote:
The Fallen!

Because of the DA quote? Possibly, would be my second choice, but the psychic thing tilts me in the direction of 1KS.

**d-usa**

There is still time to hamfist a Horus Heresy novel of the Lion returning to find the trailers with immense psychic powers!

Just because it's never been in the fluff doesn't mean that it's not fluff!

**whitetornado**

I'm wondering if the new version of these guys is about traitor marines trying to repent?

**bu11etmagn3tt**

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/monsters-martians-and-mysteries.html

See 4th entry down....

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"Finally, an even more mysterious release (I know, we're so "damned" secretive)."

**Azreal13**

bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/monsters-martians-and-mysteries.html

See 4th entry down....

Automatically Appended Next Post:
"Finally, an even more mysterious release (I know, we're so "damned" secretive)."

Wise man say, check back before page break before posting news.

Wise man also say, you never ninja Reds8n on Black Library stuff.

**cycluv**

I have three full 10-man squads of metal...so happy

**Johnnytorrance**

I'm new to the scene but is it expected that GW hasn't seen these models move much. Sales have been weak and this is their way of pushing a product? Therefore will we probably see an increase in LotD prices?

**ace101**

azreal13 wrote:
Hmmm,

Hinting that they're psychic, their in game mechanic is very similar to their 40K equivalents, hints that they're very old.

LotD = Loyalist Thousand Sons?

Seriously, they're gonna retcon LotD into loyal 1ksons? They are much better off being Fire Hawks remnants, and the Blood Ravens would like a word with them.

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whembly wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Breotan wrote:
"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?

The same way that they are "one of the greatest mysteries of the 40k universe, their origins and nature a hotly debated topic among hobbyists, around gaming tables and paint stations the world over".

Or, they're Fire Hawks. I guess that's the other option.

My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast, it's tempting to buy these, paint them green, and use them as my homebrew chapter, "Ten Dollar Marines".

Oh god...

If the rules are even halfway decent... I may have to splurge... but ya know what. I ain't painting them at that normal fire hawk scheme...

They're going to glow...

Like the green on these ghosts:
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Also take a look at their profile in C:SM, probably not much deviation from that, which means they'll be decent.

**Ratius**

From the leaked WD pic: "Allies to any Imperial army"

So you cant ally with other SMs?

**pretre**

Ratius wrote:
From the leaked WD pic: "Allies to any Imperial army"

So you cant ally with other SMs?

Space Marines are imperial...

**spiralingcadaver**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
i Would rather have a 21st Founding Codex then a mere LotD codex personnaly, like in the WD 260 Chapter Aproved, i really liked the Black Dragons and the Minautors.

Oh look!, i've found the old 21st Founding rules!, when i look at it, there isn't much work to do, to make it 6Th Ed compatible...

http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ia/w40k_ia_cf_0.html

I had no recollection Minotaurs were also cursed founding. Also, super nostalgia times over the black dragons and the silly mutated options.

**TiamatRoar**

I imagine the new fluff for them is that they're a combination of Fire Hawk remnants and various other lost marines over the ages, including Dark Angels and including the time of the Great Crusade. That's what things are looking like to me from the snippets we have (including Black Library material, like that Legion of the Damned short story anthology that shows they are actively recruiting) so far, at least.

**BrianDavion**

keep in mind the dark angels speculating that they might be fallen doesn't mean they are. These are the dark angels, they strike me as prone to see the fallen in everything.

**Brother SRM**

There's no mention of the Fallen or Thousand Sons in either of those little fluff blurbs. Being psychic doesn't mean the latter, wearing black doesn't mean the former. Dark Angels are all about interrogating dudes anyway, and chaplains in every chapter do a bit of that torture/interrogation stuff. As for being "lost to history", that could mean literally anything. Stuff disappears all the time in 40k, only to emerge later. It could mean guys who vanished during the Horus Heresy, it could mean guys who vanished before then, or it could have been a couple Space Marines who went out to the store to get a pack of smokes and never came back. Looking forward to seeing if any new light is shed.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

It doesn't really make sense for them to be from different chapters, because they fight as a single unit.

Anyway, a points decrease will make them even more sleeper powerful than they already are.

**pretre**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
It doesn't really make sense for them to be from different chapters, because they fight as a single unit.

Anyway, a points decrease will make them even more sleeper powerful than they already are.

Why can't dudes from different chapters fight as a single unit? Deathwatch does it all the time.

**Kirasu**

Thousand sons certainly makes absolutely no sense given their fluff.. and every single one of them was either killed or went to the planet of sorceror's with Magnus.. (They also use sorcery, not only psychic abilities which is notably different)

I rather they just keep the fluff about the 21st founding as that was pretty cool and gives plenty of ideas..

I had no recollection Minotaurs were also cursed founding. Also, super nostalgia times over the black dragons and the silly mutated options.

They are, but they were recalled and remade into the current Minotaurs which is fanatical in its devotion to the lords of terra.

**CalgarsPimpHand**

If these quotes indicate a ret-con away from "absolutely 100% Fire Hawks with warp disease and a detailed history of their transformation and operation" and towards "they really are unknown, but here are hints as to possible origins" then I'd be happy. I liked the 2nd edition Ultramarine Codex fluff for them, which was essentially a short story about Tigurius witnessing them fight orks and nothing else. It was totally up to you to make the connection with a tiny blurb about the Fire Hawks disappearing, which was on a separate page, and the codex didn't even hint at a link at all.

There's value in vagueness, it allows players to fill in the gaps, and what we imagine and the debates it inspires are often far better than what GW's crappy writers come up with. GW has long forgotten that and the fluff has suffered (see, for example, the entire Horus Heresy series).

**His Master's Voice**

They're totally the lost legions. What were the numbers? II and XI I think.

**plastictrees**

My only recollection is of the 2nd edition stuff mentioned above.
Always vaguely assumed they were meant to be g-g-g-ghosts!

**H.B.M.C.**

I remember the story from the 2nd Ed Codex as well. I liked the way it implied them to be ghosts. I always thought of them as the spirits of long-dead Marine heroes. I honestly don't mind the Fire Hawks stuff, but it did take the mystery away. There has to be a middle ground between "Diseased Fire Hawks" and "Space Ghosts!".

**gorgon**

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
If these quotes indicate a ret-con away from "absolutely 100% Fire Hawks with warp disease and a detailed history of their transformation and operation" and towards "they really are unknown, but here are hints as to possible origins" then I'd be happy. I liked the 2nd edition Ultramarine Codex fluff for them, which was essentially a short story about Tigurius witnessing them fight orks and nothing else. It was totally up to you to make the connection with a tiny blurb about the Fire Hawks disappearing, which was on a separate page, and the codex didn't even hint at a link at all.

There's value in vagueness, it allows players to fill in the gaps, and what we imagine and the debates it inspires are often far better than what GW's crappy writers come up with. GW has long forgotten that and the fluff has suffered (see, for example, the entire Horus Heresy series).

I first knew them from the RT-era WD entry, so I've always accepted them to be Fire Hawks. *shrug*

Besides, their warp frenzy thing they did back then was fun. The Black Rage is tame by comparison...

**Azazelx**

AegisGrimm wrote:
I would simply assume that it would be a case similar to parts from old armor marks making it onto combat suits.

The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.

Yeah, none of the ones in 40k make actual sense, though I somewhat got over that back when Chaos Termies were metal and the only ones with belt feeds in their stombolters. (In the same way I eventually somewhat got over "how the hell could they fit in there with human anatomy?" terminators.)

**AegisGrimm**

I too preferred the pre-Fire Hawks LoTD. Even in the Cursed Founding rules in Chapter Approved never gave away anything as to their origins. I always thought the theory was cool that they were the Emperor's Will made manifest in times of need.

**Azazelx**

azreal13 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
The Fallen!

Because of the DA quote? Possibly, would be my second choice, but the psychic thing tilts me in the direction of 1KS.

That and the Thousand Sons theory above both work in terms of "they are very old, and not just Fire Hawks" -

But

More importantly, both quotes work in terms of the LotD being a mystery. So of course DA and GK and the Inq are all interested in them....