New SM Codex: Legion of the Damned!?

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**Kroothawk**

Troike wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Didn't stop them to charge for a supposedly full Codex.

The codex itself was full. What was lacking was a model release.

This is off topic here, but it it has only half as much units as the already thin 3rd edition one, and it has almost no background and almost no hobby part. If you want to know how uniforms other than from the "Order of Our Martyred Lady" look, you have to google. Same with all insignia.

**Cptskillet**

So question then that I'd like clarified. In Codex: Space Marines you can take LotD as Elites, with this release coming, could you ally Codex: LoTD and add even more LotD members to a list? I know there's little info but here's hoping we can do this and have alot of black armored ghosts defending the imperium!

**H.B.M.C.**

We don't know yet.

**Kosake**

Now, I might think too positive here, but just as an Idea:

What if they release one codex along the lines of "Imperial Auxillia", where a lot of random stuff that becomes available for most IoM factions is combined, thus dumping mercenaries, Knights, Legion of the damned, abhumans and whatever else they come up with into one Auxillia-Codex while the new IG codex goes along the lines of space marines/chapter tactics and gives all the Guards Regiments some special rules (Tallarns, Catachans, Steel Legion, Cadians, Valhallans, Vostoyans, ...).

I know, this would make people happy so it's highly improbbable, but hey, a man can dream, can't he?

**Howard A Treesong**

Azazelx wrote:
SickSix wrote:
No it clearly states 'allies'. No 'army'. They don't have the figures to do that and we all know GW no longer makes rules for stuff they don't physically make.

But, they do sell characters, troops and special weapon infantry. So you could use a LotD sergeant as an HQ and fill a couple troop slots.

Or maybe they will have their own ally FOC where you can just take 1-3 squads of LotD.

They do have multi-meltas and heavy flamers as well as several/most of the previous lot of special weapons (ie, no grav guns). They could potentially make some form of devastator squad, and they have previously made Heavy Bolters, all of the older special weapons, sgts with all kinds of options, etc.

hmm..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod2090143a

The Legion Ascendant
Of all the legends of the Imperium, one of the strangest is that of the Legion of the Damned. Their aspect is terrifying in the extreme, ghostly apparitions from some bygone era or perhaps a time yet to come. Appearing amidst the enemy in a scouring blast of spectral flame, the Damned Legionnaires' very presence evokes unreasoning horror while their every shot is a fiery bolt of judgement, turning flesh to scattered ash.

This One-Click Collection contains all you need to field The Legion Ascendant Apocalypse Formation. It includes: 1 set of Damned Legionnaires (1); 2 sets of Damned Legionnaires (2); 1 Legion of the Damned Squad; 1 Legionnaire with multi-melta; 1 Damned Sergeant with Bolt Pistol and Power Weapon; and 1 Legionnaire with Heavy Flamer.

Apocalypse Formations are collections of miniatures drawn from the background of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Should you wish to field this Apocalypse Formation in a game, its details can be found on page 268 of the Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse book.

These kits come unpainted and require assembly - we recommend using Citadel Super Glue and Citadel Paints.

Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Part Code: 99020101032

It's an Apoc formation, but shy of new plastic kits - which I would not expect, they may simply be allowing this in normal games of 40k.

I'd love a set of Legion of the Damned... But not in Finecast. What's the odds on buying a box of 20 Finecast and them all being perfect?

**Kosake**

Hm... bolters with belt feed. Weren't they pre-heresy issue? How would a 21st founding chapter get these..?

**Breotan**

"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?

**SickSix**

Breotan wrote:
"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?

People have heard of them. People have seen them and survived. That's how we know they exist.

**AegisGrimm**

Hmm...I still use the Cursed Founding rules in my retro games. It was fun making an entire army of LoTD, especially with Terminators, Bikes, and a Dread. The Terminator Sergeant, dread, and Company Standard got the ever popular "crucified plastic skeleton" in the place of banners.

**Azazelx**

Kosake wrote:
Hm... bolters with belt feed. Weren't they pre-heresy issue? How would a 21st founding chapter get these..?

I'll go with "models don't take note of obscure bits of nonsensical fluff"

**AegisGrimm**

I would simply assume that it would be a case similar to parts from old armor marks making it onto combat suits.

The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.

**Lansirill**

Have most of the release notices in WD only shown the iOS information without mentioning an accompanying ePub/mobi (regular e-book) release? Although I suppose if it's iOS only, it'll save me 30USD.

**Dinamarth**

nels1031 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.

The Fire Hawks part was always just a theory though, wasn't it?

What it took from the recent Black Library shorts on the LotD :

Spoiler:

Is that if there are elements of the Fire Hawks in the LotD, then the overwhelming majority of that Chapter were killed by the LotD, after those that were found worthy were "recruited". They seemed to despise Marines that weren't true believers and paragons of their kind, and the Badab War Codex Astartes thing on the Fire Hawks painted them in an extremely unfavourable light. The short stories also mention the LotD protecting the Imperium since time immemorial, which doesn't fit with them just showing up after the 21st founding. Of course, there is the vagaries of the Warp and time and all that, sure, but I think their origins are implied to be much darker than just Fire Hawks that are quasi-corrupted

Hopefully we both get some LotD fluff that satisfies!

That spoiler makes me consider my theory even more, I think the LoTD are those loyalists betrayed and killed at Istvaan III. I have nothing to back this but that's my outlook.

**BrianDavion**

Dinamarth wrote:
nels1031 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.

The Fire Hawks part was always just a theory though, wasn't it?

What it took from the recent Black Library shorts on the LotD :

Spoiler:

Is that if there are elements of the Fire Hawks in the LotD, then the overwhelming majority of that Chapter were killed by the LotD, after those that were found worthy were "recruited". They seemed to despise Marines that weren't true believers and paragons of their kind, and the Badab War Codex Astartes thing on the Fire Hawks painted them in an extremely unfavourable light. The short stories also mention the LotD protecting the Imperium since time immemorial, which doesn't fit with them just showing up after the 21st founding. Of course, there is the vagaries of the Warp and time and all that, sure, but I think their origins are implied to be much darker than just Fire Hawks that are quasi-corrupted

Hopefully we both get some LotD fluff that satisfies!

That spoiler makes me consider my theory even more, I think the LoTD are those loyalists betrayed and killed at Istvaan III. I have nothing to back this but that's my outlook.

oooh I like that theory. *steals for head canon*

**Riddick40k**

Damn it GW... You just have to go and make me buy marines again...

**Davespil**

BrookM wrote:
But hopefully packed with fluff, just like the Farsight Enclave.

Which made the Farsight Enclave Supplement a horrible purchase. You’re paying $50 for 1/4 of a novel worth of fluff. I made the mistake of buying the Iyanden supplement for $35 and it was still a colossal rip off.

That being said, I don't believe that LotD will get a "codex/supplement". If they do you know it will have minimal rules and just a bunch of fluff. I thought supplements would be an awesome thing. Until GW started releasing them...

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

AegisGrimm wrote:
The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.

Do you mean that those mysterious magic ghosts of genetically bio-engineered super soldiers equiped with science-fiction tech have guns that do not make sense with modern technology ? Maybe they use very strong magnetic attraction to get the bullet into the chamber or something. Maybe they use mini-antigrav stuff

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**Erzanj**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
AegisGrimm wrote:
The real problem is when you look at how un-workable such belt feeds would be. You'd have to turn the entire gun upside down and feed the belt down into the magazine well while trying to get the first round to catch. There's a reason why belt-feeds are loaded they way they are, with a plate on the top of the gun.

Do you mean that those mysterious magic ghosts of genetically bio-engineered super soldiers equiped with science-fiction tech have guns that do not make sense with modern technology ? Maybe they use very strong magnetic attraction to get the bullet into the chamber or something. Maybe they use mini-antigrav stuff .

Who said they needed to reload anyway ? In GW's mind, Spess Mehrines are always the heroes, and heroes never reload

**Relapse**

SickSix wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.

Yup. That was kind of boring and killed the mystery.

I prefer to think the LotD are a collection of marines throughout the history of the Imperium.

The thing that was kind of cool in that fluff, though is that they were caught in the same situation as the Deathguard, but did not weaken.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm actually hopeful this one (unlike the Inquisition one, where I knew it'd be terrible). I want them to add a little more ambiguity into the Legion of the Damned. Just having them as diseased Fire Hawks was always boring.

This is pretty close to the original fluff as I remember reading it the first time GW introduced them:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Legion_of_the_Damned

I kind of liked it, as I said, because they resisted what the Death Guard gave in to. It could be expanded to say they act as a focal point for loyalist killed, giving them a chance to serve beyond death, as the banner they left at an early battle site proclaimed.

**pretre**

Excited to see what we get!

**H.B.M.C.**

Davespil wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that LotD will get a "codex/supplement".

Umm... they previewed it in White Dwarf. They are getting one.

**SickSix**

I'm just glad I got my guys in metal. Right H.B.M.C??

**Azreal13**

Davespil wrote:
BrookM wrote:
But hopefully packed with fluff, just like the Farsight Enclave.

Which made the Farsight Enclave Supplement a horrible purchase. You’re paying $50 for 1/4 of a novel worth of fluff. I made the mistake of buying the Iyanden supplement for $35 and it was still a colossal rip off.

That being said, I don't believe that LotD will get a "codex/supplement". If they do you know it will have minimal rules and just a bunch of fluff. I thought supplements would be an awesome thing. Until GW started releasing them...

Erm....

**RiTides**

azreal13 wrote:
I wouldn't get hugely excited.

Reading between the lines, I think we have another Codex Inquisition, in that it will have a limited number of units and all the codex will really do is expand who is eligible to take them.

Might be a good read for fluff purposes for fans, but I don't think it will allow a LotD army.

Brother SRM wrote:
Yeah, this is on par with Codex: Inquisition or whatever it was called. Just a teeny little ally expansion.

Agreed.

Kroothawk wrote:
Here is the link to the leaked WD pic:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n-s0EgRQbj4/Uv9ywh5f90I/AAAAAAAANnk/ElXVbntw4Bo/s1600/1623611_657940650908460_1752595279_n.jpg

Thanks for that, Kroot! I'd image tag it but I see it was done so in the post above mine here already

**MajorWesJanson**

I wonder if the Legion of the Damned will be classified as Auxilla as well, and if we are seeing a sort of replacement or supplement for the Allies system- specific armies can choose from specific auxilla categories (Imperial, mercenaries, chaos, xenos, ect). That would help clarify the whole dataslate things if they classified them as auxilla as well.

**Ouze**

Breotan wrote:
"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?

The same way that they are "one of the greatest mysteries of the 40k universe, their origins and nature a hotly debated topic among hobbyists, around gaming tables and paint stations the world over".

Or, they're Fire Hawks. I guess that's the other option.

My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast, it's tempting to buy these, paint them green, and use them as my homebrew chapter, "Ten Dollar Marines".

**whembly**

Ouze wrote:
Breotan wrote:
"recreating their most famous battles." How does a small group of ghosts, that nobody is suppose to have ever heard of, have famous battles?

The same way that they are "one of the greatest mysteries of the 40k universe, their origins and nature a hotly debated topic among hobbyists, around gaming tables and paint stations the world over".

Or, they're Fire Hawks. I guess that's the other option.

My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast, it's tempting to buy these, paint them green, and use them as my homebrew chapter, "Ten Dollar Marines".

Oh god...

If the rules are even halfway decent... I may have to splurge... but ya know what. I ain't painting them at that normal fire hawk scheme...

They're going to glow...

Like the green on these ghosts:
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**Relapse**

I've got marines enough kicking around that I could just paint some black, add on some skulls and bones from a skeleton box and have a fair looking few squads without paying top dollar for reinforced whipped cream.

**Breotan**

Ouze wrote:
My 2 cents - at $188 for 20 of these cast in the ever-inferior Finecast...

I actually have about 15 of them (all the unique poses) and they're pretty decent (no major defects that I saw). Just soak them in soapy water or you'll be sad when your paint job sloughs off just like it did on my Skulltaker's cloak.

**reds8n**

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/monsters-martians-and-mysteries.html

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Finally, an even more mysterious release (I know, we're so damned secretive). We can give you this little snippet of info on the new book, but you'll need to wait until the weekend for the full reveal.