Who's choosing not to buy 7th Ed rules the weekend?
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

I probably would have gotten a starter set if they released one, but I have no need for just a new rulebook. I'll wait for others to digest it, then decide.

Infinity. That's my reason. FREE RULES!!!!!

Also,My 6th edition book still makes a crackling sound when you open it.

Playing other games. Not really feeling like buying another £50 book after 2 years. Probably gonna get an intro couple of games and then wait for a pdf or minirulebook off ebay.

I'm not getting the new rules yet, maybe not at all. I tend to only play in my gaming group who are happy with the 6th edition rules.

Like many others, if they brought out a new starter set with rules I'd probably be all over it. However as of the moment, nah. Perfectly happy with what I've got.

Well, in our gaming group 12 players have ordered the new rule book set.

Currently my tabletop gaming is on hold due to personal reasons so I'm not going to buy it for a while

Seeing as the main game at my club is 40k and I enjoy the company of the people I play with I shall indeed be getting it. Although not until next month.

I just can't quantify paying for a rule book, as my 6th Ed is still very new. I just can't keep up. Seems every time I turn around there is a new codex. I understand that GW is a business, yet I feel as GW is alienating and taking advantage of their customer base. I love the hobby, and I have several armies, however just a little disappointed In the marketing strategy of our parent company. That's the reason I stopped collecting and playing a curtain card game, for the company of the card game kept releasing sets and banning cards just to make as much money as possible. Something to be said about treating your demographic with respect rather than a cash cow

shadowtree 72 wrote:
I just can't quantify paying for a rule book, as my 6th Ed is still very new. I just can't keep up. Seems every time I turn around there is a new codex. I understand that GW is a business, yet I feel as GW is alienating and taking advantage of their customer base. I love the hobby, and I have several armies, however just a little disappointed In the marketing strategy of our parent company. That's the reason I stopped collecting and playing a curtain card game, for the company of the card game kept releasing sets and banning cards just to make as much money as possible. Something to be said about treating your demographic with respect rather than a cash cow

I don't blame you for the 2-year rule shelf-life, but most of those codices desperately needed an update, and I'm glad that they are being released in harback, as the softback versions had/have crappy bindng.

I haven't played a ton recently, and my CE copy of 6th fills me with frustration.

At the best, 6th was a rush-job and 7th cleaned up the mess 6th had left. At worst, GW just shortened the cycle to see how much money they could wring from their customers. Neither one seems that appealing and GW very clearly has no concern for their customers (loyal or otherwise), so I'll hold off on buying it until (a) 7th gets good reviews and (b) there is a rules-only copy I can get my hands on for a markedly lower price.

I decided to spend the money on a Warmachine starter box instead and try and get my friends to play that.

I bought the 6th ed rulebook 2 weeks ago, have yet to play a game that wasn't DV starter mission, I'm not upgrading to 7th for a long time.

My reason is that I already put down money on other items that were announced months in advance from companies who value communicating with me about future releases. So the $250 I have in those games mean I won't be able to buy 7th right when it comes out, I'll have to wait for a few weeks.

Totally not feeling it, I've bene out of the US for 3 years, not played in longer than that. Still converting and painting but really the game side lost my interest a while back it's just so, so poorly written.

6th is a mess, the suppliments made it worse and now 7th is doubling down on it. GW is managing to combine the unworkable detailed rules of 1st and 2nd with the unworkable large model counts of Apoc. It's an amazing train wreck.

Plus y'know, wife, twins, going back to school full time.

Maybe I'll get some games of Talisman or Star Wars minis in next year.

I was all set to pick up 7th but now its close to the day, I'm not playing at the moment just painting, all I need from 7th is any updates to the allies matrix so I can plan what armies I want next.

I haven't been able to play much for months now, just bought a new house. I've had 9 tyranid warriors partially built that are calling my attention much more than a very expensive new rulebook. I figure i'll watch miniwargaming videos on all the new in's and out's of 7th and pick up a starter box rulebook when it comes out.

Not bothered with 7th. All it means for me is a chance to get into Fantasy.

Not until I've seen the discussion on this by others more ready with their money.

It's not about the cash (though after two years, I think it's pretty cheeky) - I just have no interest in 7th if it's not a good game. If lots of people are saying "wow - this fixes so much", I'll buy it. If they're saying: "everything is still broken" or "this introduces a load of new problems", then forget it.

I'm basically not playing this game anymore until it becomes something remotely viable as a tactical exercise.

 knas ser wrote:
If lots of people are saying "wow - this fixes so much", I'll buy it. If they're saying: "everything is still broken" or "this introduces a load of new problems"

Sure bet = you will hear all 3 of these things.

I'm in no hurry. I'll wait for Zion's review and watch a couple weeks worth of Battle Reports to see how things have changed.

Although I thought 6th edition was fun at times my 40k stuff hasn't been on the table in months. Too busy with other games. I figure my group will get back to it eventually as everyone has at least one 40k army.

I'm skipping 7th. I really liked 6th but it had some balance issues that were painful. 7th has embraced the horrible balance and gave it a gold star. This in itself might not have kept me out but its also the fact that is just such an obvious cash grab with no attention or love for the game. They didn't fix the glaring problems with 6th and instead made more. But then they're charging $85 for a rulebook that basically says "Feth it, do whatever you want." It's lazy, its not professional and there are much better games out there that cost less and actually like their customers and communicate with them.

I rely on pickup games and 7th is going to make it even more difficult to have a game let alone one that isn't grossly one sided. I don't like random everything and 7th has more randomness.

Neither of my two armies have psykers and now that seems to be a major handicap.

And, a thorn in my side for quite a while, GW refuses to support one of my primary armies. SOB. They do the bare minimum with the rules and haven't put out a single new model in over a decade and don't look to do so in the foreseeable future.

One of these issues isn't enough to keep me away, but all together and yeah, I'll spend my money somewhere else. It's a shame because I've been playing since RT. 7th was my coffin nail.

I probably won't. I stopped playing 40k when Escalation hit. I'm told that it's being incorporated as de facto rules in the main rulebook with 7th, so that isn't helping.

My friend swears to me that they're reducing the ridiculousness of D weapons, but now that I've started playing other wargames, I'm not sure I want to go back to 40k anyway.

I played my first game of 40k last weekend in 6 months, and we stopped playing after turn 2, partially because it took FOREVER to set up and all that BS, but also because it was pretty obvious who the winner was going to be. Eventually one guy started talking about 7th edition, and I told him I didn't plan on buying it. He was shocked. Like, mouth droppingly shocked that I wasn't buying the new rule book. I was amused. I then explained to him that I was simply enjoying Malifaux more as a game. Then someone else piped up that they played Malifaux as well. We're going to have a Malifaux teaching night at some point to introduce them to the game.

So I would say there's a possibility that our 40k group may switch to Malifaux. If not, that's cool too. I'm still not spending any more money on 40k, I'll just look at theirs.

I got some extra cashola so il probably get it.

I dont think its nearly going to be as bad as everyone is spouting it to be.
Il probably drop it though if they end up re releasing recent codexs like SM or Tau :/

I won't be buying the rulebook. Will see how 7th plays first thanks to the wonders of the internet, then maybe get a small rulebook or digital one if they're reasonably priced. Don't know enough about 7th yet to know if it'll be good/better overall or not but I'll of course try it.

Not bothering with it.

My group of gamers got off the GW merry-go-round during 5th and decided to evolve our own rules, most recently incorporating a reaction phase. Maybe some good ideas from 7th will trickle into our rules but I doubt it.

Best of luck to all those still trying to trudge through GW's latest spiel.

I am skipping 7th because I do not want to reward GW with money for an accelerated edition update. Pure and simple I have no faith that GW made any meaningful changes to 7th other than adding the new psyker phase and I do not want to encourage more of these updates by handing over additional money for essentially the same rules I purchased two years ago.

I honestly believe that if 7th's release is successful then this truncated edition life span will become the new status quo and I do not want to play a part in that change. My little protest may be meaningless, but I won't have any regrets about buying a rehashed rule set so I consider that a win.

MadmanMSU wrote:

I played my first game of 40k last weekend in 6 months, and we stopped playing after turn 2, partially because it took FOREVER to set up and all that BS, but also because it was pretty obvious who the winner was going to be. Eventually one guy started talking about 7th edition, and I told him I didn't plan on buying it. He was shocked. Like, mouth droppingly shocked that I wasn't buying the new rule book. I was amused. I then explained to him that I was simply enjoying Malifaux more as a game. Then someone else piped up that they played Malifaux as well. We're going to have a Malifaux teaching night at some point to introduce them to the game.

So I would say there's a possibility that our 40k group may switch to Malifaux. If not, that's cool too. I'm still not spending any more money on 40k, I'll just look at theirs.

Y'know I've really been liking the Malifaux models, they have the innovative and cool vibe that GW had back in the day.

I may have to pick it up.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I am skipping 7th because I do not want to reward GW with money for an accelerated edition update. Pure and simple I have no faith that GW made any meaningful changes to 7th other than adding the new psyker phase and I do not want to encourage more of these updates by handing over additional money for essentially the same rules I purchased two years ago.

I honestly believe that if 7th's release is successful then this truncated edition life span will become the new status quo and I do not want to play a part in that change. My little protest may be meaningless, but I won't have any regrets about buying a rehashed rule set so I consider that a win.

Yes! I forgot to mention the 2 year turn around. That's too soon and I also don't want to award GW into thinking that's okay. Because for me, its not.

Nope.
Not for a while, anyway. Don't get a lot of games in anyway, and currently am playing a fanmade version of killteam right now anyway, which will take a bit to update itself to 7th and is working nicely with 6th. I have other priorities than squandering $100+ on new rules/cards I'm not going to get too much use out of.

2 reasons: 1st I want to get full reviews of the book before I jump in. So far all of the leaks I've seen do not have me excited at all for 7th edition
2nd I am waiting for the minibook or to split a DV set with someone. I refuse to pay GW 85.00 for what appears to be at least 80% copy/paste or slight rewrite and a full book of pictures that I am never going to open

I'm waiting to read the rules before I decide. That being said I'm not buying a rule book off the bat unless I can find JUST the RULES BOOK on e-bay for a reasonable price. I refuse to spend $85 for a codex size rule book and 2 books of fluff and pictures. That being said depending on what the new edition brings I may be selling my nids and buying a guitar. I've always wanted to learn how to play guitar and the best part is I wont have to worry about a new edition of rules coming out every 6 months....

I won't be I didn't enjoy 6th and 7th sounds like more of the same, the lack of info on combat worries me and if you still can't assault out of transports I'll be quitting the game.

Not purchasing it until there is a starter set. Any time I've purchased a BRB, I've always regretted it when the starter came out.

If the starter is lame or poor value, then I will skip 7th ed completely.

pm713 wrote:
Not bothered with 7th. All it means for me is a chance to get into Fantasy.

Actually this is pretty accurate too, now is a great time for me to try out fantasy

I wont get it cos I still play 1st and 2nd editions... never bothered after that.

I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

 DarkWind wrote:

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

Warmachine is a steampunkish fantasy game that has very tight rules. It's more skirmish game but can accomodate larger battles. There are many playstyles with the different factions and many playstyles within those factions. The fluff is great and surprisingly in depth. (check out the Iron Kingdoms RPG stuff.)

Infinity is a cool sci-fi skirmisher with very high quality metal figures. Each person is very individual with assorted powers and abilities. It's very tactical and fun.

Malifaux is a victorian fantasy horror type skirmish game with a lot of character and flair. It's very balanced and a load of fun.

(those are the three that have my attention. Drop Zone Commander, Dust, Flames of War I hear nothing but good things about but have never played.)

Because as a company GW has given up on making rules that work or even pretend do have some balance in them, so I have given up on them.

6th edition made me stop playing the game, all these 7th rumours made me realise that the game will never again be anything worth playing so I finally got the push that I needed to sell of my remaining 40k army (Imperial Guard, that I had been collecting since 1996). So no, I won't be bothering with 7th ed.

On the positive side, I now have allot of free shelf space in the old cave and a significant amount of cash burning a hole in my pocket, maybe I'll get a 5th WMH faction, or another Malifaux or Infinity army... Or maybe I'll finally get into Saga... Thankfully the hobby is now full of possibilities.

Now all I need is for GW to release WHFB 9th ed rumours, so that I get a similar push to sell my remaining Fantasy army.

 DarkWind wrote:

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

Lord of the Rings is still an awesome light-fantasy skirmish game, though wouldn't be any less xpensive to get into.

Hail Caesar is an awesome system for historical gaming.

D&D Battle System is always there to do with whatever you like, though its a bit free-form for most people's tastes, its a solid system. Pretty sure LOTR just ripped off point values straight from that book.

I refuse to buy it unitll seen whats in it.......all at our club are the same - then we will decide what version to play

 MWHistorian wrote:

 DarkWind wrote:

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

Warmachine is a steampunkish fantasy game that has very tight rules. It's more skirmish game but can accomodate larger battles. There are many playstyles with the different factions and many playstyles within those factions. The fluff is great and surprisingly in depth. (check out the Iron Kingdoms RPG stuff.)

Infinity is a cool sci-fi skirmisher with very high quality metal figures. Each person is very individual with assorted powers and abilities. It's very tactical and fun.

Malifaux is a victorian fantasy horror type skirmish game with a lot of character and flair. It's very balanced and a load of fun.

(those are the three that have my attention. Drop Zone Commander, Dust, Flames of War I hear nothing but good things about but have never played.)

I have a small Warmachine army of Menoth my group plays it on the side every now and then but we haven't explored much into it due to lack of local support.

I keep hearing about Infinity, but I don't know much about it. I really need to look more into it. I've seen the models and I have to say I prefer them over GW models any day.

Malifaux sadly died around here as quickly as it came onto the scene. I bought a starter box and a fate deck for that game and I didn't play more then a couple games. Which sucks I liked my gunslinger zombie army I was playing the Guild and I bought the Judge set.

I do play FOW religiously and I have to say it's an excellent game. The rules make since and theirs no one army to rule them all. A tank army can win just as easily as an Infantry army. Even tho it's based on WW2 I think it's variety of rule books lets you build to your play style even tho you have to stay within a cretin limit of what you can and can't take. Also start up is easy and cost effective depending on what time period you want to play and what type of army you want to build. 2 starter boxes gives you 2 full armies (one Allied Tank army, and one German infantry army) and forms a great building block!


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 jasper76 wrote:

 DarkWind wrote:

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

Hail Caesar is an awesome system for historical gaming.

I've been looking at this game. I play Bolt Action on a 15 MM scale (The game is better for Pacific war then FOW IMO) however I've always wanted to dive into ancients.

I think that I might, finally, be done with 40K. From what's been leaked so far, I just... really don't like anything at all that I've heard about 7th ed.

I've been playing since 1990, and I sold all my remaining armies at the end of last year. The game has been in a steady decline for about a decade already, and 7th will only make it worse. Like others have said, the will to design an actual strategy based tabletop war-game simply isn't there at GW, and all their releases are blatant cash grabs. I see no reason to spend a dollar more on any Games Workshop products ever. I'm sure I spent about 20K-30K $ on GW products during my time, so I did my part.

None of the other wargames interest me model or lorewise.

So I'll continue to stay with my ridiculous investment into 40k and FB.

Me and my friends essentially created our own game system anyway so we can keep on playing in the 40k setting with none of GW's idiocy so I have no motivation to get rid of my models anyway.

 jasper76 wrote:

 knas ser wrote:
If lots of people are saying "wow - this fixes so much", I'll buy it. If they're saying: "everything is still broken" or "this introduces a load of new problems"

Sure bet = you will hear all 3 of these things.

Ha! I was thinking that when I wrote it. Let me rephrase: if people whose opinions I respect are saying these things...

And seeing as this thread is turning into a "Recommend an alternative" thread, I might as well mention I like the look of the X-Wing game. I'm not especially a fan of Star Wars, but from what I've seen of the game it's extremely well thought out and quite tactical. If I can find some people who'll try it, I might give that a go.

If it takes off in my group, this will be my reason:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/591822.page

-Tight ruleset, being added to to clear up confusion and to add in more units.

-Faster gameplay

-Balanced

-Free.

-Devs are willing to listen to suggestions.

Nah I'm gonna buy 7th it'll be great.

Many reasons for me.

1) Not got any cash or time at the moment.

2) I bought the 6th Ed book 2 years ago, it works fine for what I need and I enjoy playing the game. 6th ain't broken, so doesn't need fixing.

3) I have no interest in Psykers becoming all-out Space Wizards, Librarians crapping out Demons and if I wanted to play Unbound lists I'd already be doing it (And I'm not paying for rules that tell me to ignore the rules for FOC).

4) £50 could buy me into a whole new game. I'm seriously looking at Malifaux as the models and card-based mechanics look really interesting. Failing that, there's a lot of Deadzone on my 'to buy' list.

I saw the writing on the wall with the coming of Escalation and Stronghold assault. I have two warhammer 40k armies and i wont be selling them (those things are worth more than gold!)

However what i did do was purchase a old 4th ed rulebook that came with a free BRB for warhammer fantasy (dont know what edition?) Now Im going to switch back to my old 3.5 guard codex and the 4th ed codecs that i have here.

I only play with my brother so its not a problem anyway. I know many people dont like 4th ed but to me that edition was the best!

ive also been getting into warmachine and 28mm INQ with my own warbands. I have 3 already from bits that i own.

I'll wait untill I can get the books for like 50$
my 6th ed is still newish

I will not be buying the 7th ed book. My reasoning is that I may have opened my 6th ed hardback just to read some fluff and check out the cool artwork. The minute the boxed set came out with awesome minis and the paperback rules, I had ZERO interest in bringing along my hardback. I don't like to repeat my mistakes, so I'll wait.

No need to hurry.

I am in the same situation than amanita, kain and BladeSwinga: the (few) people I play with use fan-made rules. We will read 7th and see if something is usable, then incorporate it to our rules after tweaking it. If the book is really, really good, I will buy it. Second hand. Reading the rumors I don´t think this is going to be the case.

A couple of people I know play 5th (because flyers & fortifications), and I am actively trying to get people to play a built-from-scratch set of rules I wrote. There are lots of w40k-based fan-made systems being developed or tested right now, which is telling.

And.... I must admit I have zero interest in playing with the people that is rushing to get the book. It seems rather obvious at this point that they are not "fixing" anything: 7th is like the next logical step after the madness that was 6th. Broken armies, unfair games, zero relation with the background, lots of big models, lots of senseless rules, zero balance, a constant need to buy new stuff... It is not the type of game I want to play.

Also, I will probably try Warmachine. Warmachine: Tactics (the videogame) is scheduled for 2014, so it seems a good idea to wait and see. I like the way Cryx looks.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

The game I have been playing recently is Dropzone Commander, but there are a lot of other great game options as well that many others have already mentioned in this thread.

I will most likely find a copy of the rules this weekend online and read through it. If they have fixed anything (I'd be surprised) I will look into purchasing the mini hard back that will more than likely come out in a couple months. If they screwed this edition as bad as 6th then I will have second thoughts. Most of the people around here either have switched to Fantasy, 30k, or just plain left GW products. The only 40k players left are the young and ignorant or the tournament players.

Not in the very near future. I have a 7k game using 6th edition mid next month and I will find out if anyone else has bought the book. Most likely they will have DL'd it. More importantly is a FW FAQ that bridges the gap between 6th and 7th and any potential issues that pop up, especially since I only have a DE and Heresy army.

A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Outside of Adepticon, I've only played about 6 games of 6th edition.

Having moved away from my gaming group and starting a new family, I just don't have the time or opportunity I used to have for 40k.

I'll buy the book, certainly. I'll continue buying all of the codecies and editions, as time and money allow.

In the mean time, I'm just going to paint up my Imperial Fists 30k army and then go back and finish my orks. I have no desire for new armies at this point.

I am not buying it because it is too expensive.

I will wait and get the softback book if they don't cripple that version.

 DarkWind wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 DarkWind wrote:

 Nightwolf829 wrote:
I want 7th edition to fix a lot of the issues inherent in 40k, and will watch reviews with interest after the book releases, but thus far it looks grim. The same stagnant game with another new face.

Meanwhile there are more dynamic games available to play that cost a lot less.

Hey I'm open to new game ideas!! Name a few please!!

Hail Caesar is an awesome system for historical gaming.

I've been looking at this game. I play Bolt Action on a 15 MM scale (The game is better for Pacific war then FOW IMO) however I've always wanted to dive into ancients.

It really is a cool game. I imagine it would be at least somewhat familiar to Bolt Action players since to my knowledge Rik Priestley had a part in both...dude has the following co-author credits to his name, which is not a bad resume: Warhammer, 40k, Warammer Ancient Battles, Necromunda, Lord of the Rings, and more stuff I've never heard of.

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Wait.... What?

 Xiorell wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Wait.... What?

Looks like, yup

At the moment I really like what I'm hearing about 7th so I'm looking forward to it!

But buying the rulebook? I never even bought the rulebook for 6th, just borrowed mates. Why on earth would I buy the ridiculously expensive version of the rules straightaway?

6th was great... codex creep and some other issues, but overall maybe the best 40k yet. 7th seems like it is going to be even better. I will have mine on Saturday.

I am going to hold off until I hear more about the changes.

I will borrow someones to page through within the first week or so.

Once I start seeing used copies or the miniature copies on eBay I might jump.

Or I might be blown away and go whole hog.

It all depends upon what I see/hear once the hard copy drops and I can read about and review it for myself.

 Gangrel767 wrote:
6th was great... codex creep and some other issues, but overall maybe the best 40k yet. 7th seems like it is going to be even better. I will have mine on Saturday.

Out of curiosity, what editions have you played?

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:
6th was great... codex creep and some other issues, but overall maybe the best 40k yet. 7th seems like it is going to be even better. I will have mine on Saturday.

Out of curiosity, what editions have you played?

I have been playing for a long time. I have played a little rogue trader back in the day.... 2nd edition.... 3rd edition.... missed 4th (I hear that is a good thing)... 5th edition... 6th edition... and soon 7th!

I am not saying it is a perfect game by any means, but i think the BRB itself is good. lots of misspellings and unclear rules, but that is GW. Also, I'm not comparing it to other gaming systems, just GW systems.

That's funny, because I thought fourth was the best. Lol

I'll probably check out somebody else's book to see what's different. Probably clear out all but the armies I love the most.

i've spent my fun-money for this month. might pick it up next month though.

I'll be waiting. I have a house to buy in a week.

I'm a sucker, pre-ordered and all. Although in my defence, my FLGS gave a nice discount for pre-orders.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
That's funny, because I thought fourth was the best. Lol

I'll probably check out somebody else's book to see what's different. Probably clear out all but the armies I love the most.

Yea, I took a few years off from gaming for personal life reasons, which happened to be during that time period, but from what I hear not a lot of people liked 4th. I had a cursory read through it a couple years ago, but never played 4th.

Well, they were smart to separate the fluff from rules.

I never shied away from something new.

Kirby needs a new pair of shoes so this should help him out.
Just hope he does not get the brainwave of two things:
1) Selling a new rulebook annually is just what they need.
2) Him realize that they are not "just" a model company and truly grasp how much their publications rake in dough, can you say micro publications and compendiums like nothing else?

We shall wait and see if this is a massive rehash and I can get all upset...

I'm probably going to take some pretty serious convincing to buy the 7th BRB at this rate, but if I hear that GW is going to make it an annual thing, I'll just stop bothering to even consider them.

 jasper76 wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Wait.... What?

Looks like, yup

How's that? I've not seen that rumor, I thought unbound was still subject to allies matrix and unit composition (from the rumors/leaks I've seen etc)

 Xiorell wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Wait.... What?

Looks like, yup

How's that? I've not seen that rumor, I thought unbound was still subject to allies matrix and unit composition (from the rumors/leaks I've seen etc)

Apparantly, there will be a new Psychic school of Daemonology, whereby your favorite chaos-hating imperials just say feth it, and summon Daemons anyways.

 Xiorell wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Wait.... What?

Looks like, yup

How's that? I've not seen that rumor, I thought unbound was still subject to allies matrix and unit composition (from the rumors/leaks I've seen etc)

Demonology.... two new psychic schools

 Gangrel767 wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

Wait.... What?

Looks like, yup

How's that? I've not seen that rumor, I thought unbound was still subject to allies matrix and unit composition (from the rumors/leaks I've seen etc)

Demonology.... two new psychic schools

Riiiight. Yeah that can suck a fat one.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:

I played my first game of 40k last weekend in 6 months, and we stopped playing after turn 2, partially because it took FOREVER to set up and all that BS, but also because it was pretty obvious who the winner was going to be. Eventually one guy started talking about 7th edition, and I told him I didn't plan on buying it. He was shocked. Like, mouth droppingly shocked that I wasn't buying the new rule book. I was amused. I then explained to him that I was simply enjoying Malifaux more as a game. Then someone else piped up that they played Malifaux as well. We're going to have a Malifaux teaching night at some point to introduce them to the game.

So I would say there's a possibility that our 40k group may switch to Malifaux. If not, that's cool too. I'm still not spending any more money on 40k, I'll just look at theirs.

Y'know I've really been liking the Malifaux models, they have the innovative and cool vibe that GW had back in the day.

I may have to pick it up.

Malifaux is an excellent game!! If you decide to pick it up try to start with players who are going to dedicate to it! Sadly the rapture must have happened to all the Malifaux players around here.

At the very earliest I won't be buying it until a softcover version from the starter kit pops up on ebay. Even then it will take some serious convincing for me to continue playing in 7th.

Other than that the only thing that will keep me playing is an earth-shatteringly good Ork codex and to be honest I don't have high hopes and am fully expecting a codex full of random (fun) tables.

 Madcat87 wrote:
At the very earliest I won't be buying it until a softcover version from the starter kit pops up on ebay. Even then it will take some serious convincing for me to continue playing in 7th.

Other than that the only thing that will keep me playing is an earth-shatteringly good Ork codex and to be honest I don't have high hopes and am fully expecting a codex full of random (fun) tables.

The starter set rulebook has been stated to only contain rules for infantry. No vehicles, fliers, superheavies and possibly no terrain rules.

I'll probably get the eBook straight away. Honestly I thought sixth was a bit of a step backwards, they re-invented the wheel a bit too much and created a lot of problems. Unclear special rules, assault phase problems, rules that interact in weird ways, new rules for fliers creating huge balance problems, codex creep rendering older armies largely noncompetitive, all the usual things that people gripe about.

I like the overall direction it's taken, the armies are the most distinctive they've ever been and the rules allow for a lot of tactical freedom. They need some polishing and it sounds like that's what they're getting, so I'm looking forward to that. But I've got enough fluff and modelling pictures from the previous six editions of the rules that I've got, so I'll save myself the $40 CAD and just get the eBook.

Already have a "new edition" barbecue/games day planned for Saturday, if the weather holds out.

Never bothering with 7th Ed ever. Never bothered with 6th, and I won't bother with 8th when it comes out in a year or whatever. GW can only make 40k as unpleasant as you let them.

I pre-ordered, hoping to pick up my book a little earlier than the release date

Not buying yet, when the new starter set comes out I'll wait for the rulebook to hit e-bay. Can't justify rewarding them for a 22 month 6th edition cycle. Wonder how those limited 6th edition guys feel.....

I skipped 6th and I am very happy with my new games now. I still love the fluff but I can't see myself ever dusting off my models and returning to the game unless some MAJOR changes happen.

Unbound, loyalists summoning demons, a psychic phase that totally screws non psyker armies, escalation, random strategy cards, does nothing to solve the balance issues of 6th, the obvious cash grab...yeah, 6th will be my final edition. Which is a shame, I've been playing since Rouge Trader. I refuse to reward bad behavior.

I also will be departing from 40k and setting sail onto the familiar waters of MtG and X-wing. I was a fan and started playing during 3ed, the game had its flaws but was still nice and good fun. 6ed was when things started to go sideways - formations, dataslates, allies chart and flyers all were steps in the wrond direction for me. I guess the constant CC nerfing and some batgak insane rules (smoke break after disembarking from a non-assault vehicle in eariler eds for instance) were the first nails and the demonology, unbound armies and psychic shennanigans are the last nails in my 40k's coffin.

Same thing with me. X-wing and Infinity/Warmachine for me this summer . I will read the rules when they are out , but I don't think my AM are going to see much action in the near future. Sad considering how much the army cost me .

I've only just (in the course of this thread) found out about the loyalist summons demon thing.... Only started playing in 6th Ed myself but I've been a massive fan of the fluff and really soaked it up... But that's just.... Wrong.

If that's the case I might as well just make it up as I go along too.... Storm talon for my space wolves? OK. Baneblade for my wolves? Check. Riptide piloted by a grey hunter? Fine.

 Xiorell wrote:
I've only just (in the course of this thread) found out about the loyalist summons demon thing.... Only started playing in 6th Ed myself but I've been a massive fan of the fluff and really soaked it up... But that's just.... Wrong.

If that's the case I might as well just make it up as I go along too.... Storm talon for my space wolves? OK. Baneblade for my wolves? Check. Riptide piloted by a grey hunter? Fine.

GW be like:

Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

And yet I still can't field genestealer cultists. *Grumblegrumble*.


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 Selym wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:
I've only just (in the course of this thread) found out about the loyalist summons demon thing.... Only started playing in 6th Ed myself but I've been a massive fan of the fluff and really soaked it up... But that's just.... Wrong.

If that's the case I might as well just make it up as I go along too.... Storm talon for my space wolves? OK. Baneblade for my wolves? Check. Riptide piloted by a grey hunter? Fine.

GW be like:

Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

It can either be an awesome book...or a lazy way to promote two models like Codex: Stormicus Trooperus and Codex: Pacific Rim (No gurlz allowed).

I might not bother starting a new army as such. Forget about how the game plays, just buy a bunch of random models for the painting/display qualities.

I've managed to club together a spare few hundred to spend on the hobby this month and it was gonna be an AM army but now... I don't like tau but the riptide is a neat model... Don't have any place for an imperial Knight but its a cool model... Don't have any other DE but I love that pain engine model.
Might just do that for a bit

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Playing other games. Not really feeling like buying another £50 book after 2 years. Probably gonna get an intro couple of games and then wait for a pdf or minirulebook off ebay.

Have stopped playing, get more fun out of £30 RPG game/book than £50 rulebooks and £30 codex+ miniatures+time painting only to play against imbalanced forces.

 Selym wrote:
(...)
GW be like:
Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

 Kain wrote:

(...)Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

I am getting the same impression. Also, in 6th edition, there was a full entry for them in the background section. Two pages. And they are not described as Traitor Guard, but as a completely unique faction. I trembled in excitement when I read it.

Perhaps now is the time for Mechanicus and the Lost of the Damned...

 da001 wrote:

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

One word - Stukov.

 da001 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
(...)
GW be like:
Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

 Kain wrote:

(...)Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

I am getting the same impression. Also, in 6th edition, there was a full entry for them in the background section. Two pages. And they are not described as Traitor Guard, but as a completely unique faction. I trembled in excitement when I read it.

Perhaps now is the time for Mechanicus and the Lost of the Damned...

That has been epic.
Also, assuming they're going to do a Lost and the damned is wishful thinking. How many years have Chaos players been asking for legions?

 da001 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
(...)
GW be like:
Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

 Kain wrote:

(...)Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

I am getting the same impression. Also, in 6th edition, there was a full entry for them in the background section. Two pages. And they are not described as Traitor Guard, but as a completely unique faction. I trembled in excitement when I read it.

Perhaps now is the time for Mechanicus and the Lost of the Damned...

I'm also hoping for more Xenos armies, at least Kroot and Genestealer cults; perhaps Harlequins and Exodites too. But I'd really like it if they elevated some background races to full codex status. The minor xenos in 40k are so disproportionately fascinating for how little is known about them.

I'm not bothering with it. Games Workshop's strategy of ignoring trying to get new players in favor of milking existing players for more and more money each year doesn't sit well with me. They're getting progressively more blatant with writing cash grab rules. They're destroying the fluff I've enjoyed for years now because they want to sell daemon resins. I don't see how anyone sane could stick with it at this point, unless they don't care at all about either rules or lore.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Also,My 6th edition book still makes a crackling sound when you open it.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Not really feeling like buying another £50 book after 2 years. Probably gonna get an intro couple of games and then wait for a pdf or minirulebook off ebay.

 Battlesong wrote:
2 reasons: 1st I want to get full reviews of the book before I jump in. So far all of the leaks I've seen do not have me excited at all for 7th edition
2nd I am waiting for the minibook or to split a DV set with someone. I refuse to pay GW 85.00 for what appears to be at least 80% copy/paste or slight rewrite and a full book of pictures that I am never going to open

All of the above plus:

I have a 19 month old who requires more stuff than I require plastic toys and rule books. I played less than 5 games of 6th ed 40k. All against the same person. Gonna sit back and wait. At some point I will buy it (BRB and small paperback {full started box is ??} ) as I really enjoy the game and modeling. I also have all the 40k rule books at this point so IF I ever sell, having 7th may only help in the aftermarket sale. I have only been playing since just before 4th.

 Klerych wrote:

 da001 wrote:

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

One word - Stukov.

More like Stirlitz IMO.

@Klerych: I completely forgot about Stukov! Yeah good catch.

 MWHistorian wrote:
(...)
Also, assuming they're going to do a Lost and the damned is wishful thinking. How many years have Chaos players been asking for legions?

 Kain wrote:
(...)
I'm also hoping for more Xenos armies, at least Kroot and Genestealer cults; perhaps Harlequins and Exodites too. But I'd really like it if they elevated some background races to full codex status. The minor xenos in 40k are so disproportionately fascinating for how little is known about them.

I am not bothering with 7th for now... but I will totally start buying every Codex again if they just give what the players have been asking for for ages.

Mechanicus, Chaos Legions, Lost and the Damned, Sisters of Battle, more Xenos... the setting is awesome yet it seems we are stuck with the same factions all the time. Instead of changing the rules, they should add new content taken from the setting.

Imperial Knights was a step in the right direction, I think. In spite of being a one model Codex, breaking the sense of scale and introducing senseless retcons (like all drivers being male, or like 'there are not Chaos Knights anymore because apparently they are far more resistent to chaos than marines'...).

We will see.

 da001 wrote:
@Klerych: I completely forgot about Stukov! Yeah good catch.

 MWHistorian wrote:
(...)
Also, assuming they're going to do a Lost and the damned is wishful thinking. How many years have Chaos players been asking for legions?

 Kain wrote:
(...)
I'm also hoping for more Xenos armies, at least Kroot and Genestealer cults; perhaps Harlequins and Exodites too. But I'd really like it if they elevated some background races to full codex status. The minor xenos in 40k are so disproportionately fascinating for how little is known about them.

I am not bothering with 7th for now... but I will totally start buying every Codex again if they just give what the players have been asking for for ages.

Mechanicus, Chaos Legions, Lost and the Damned, Sisters of Battle, more Xenos... the setting is awesome yet it seems we are stuck with the same factions all the time. Instead of changing the rules, they should add new content taken from the setting.

Imperial Knights was a step in the right direction, I think. In spite of being a one model Codex, breaking the sense of scale and introducing senseless retcons (like all drivers being male, or like 'there are not Chaos Knights anymore because apparently they are far more resistent to chaos than marines'...).

We will see.

I expect that in updates to the Knights that we'll see the other knights from Epic brought in, and perhaps new ones invented out of whole cloth.

I kind of wish GW didn't screw over CA though, they were great at giving rules to corners of the universe GW forgot, and sure FW does that now, but it'd be better if there were two such groups taking care of that.

 Selym wrote:
[Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

I do feel obliged to point out that they have now spoiled daemonology fully, and while the other imperium psykers can summon daemons, GK do not get access to Maelfic Daemonology and Daemons do not get access to Sanctic

 Battlesong wrote:

 Selym wrote:
[Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

I do feel obliged to point out that they have now spoiled daemonology fully, and while the other imperium psykers can summon daemons, GK do not get access to Maelfic Daemonology and Daemons do not get access to Sanctic

Then let me rephrase:

Spehss Mehreenz summoning Bloodthirsters? The Codex Astartes supports this action.

Unless we are getting good FAQs for our armies, and an FAQ for 6th edition to update it, then it looks like I will not be getting it. Yes I know, why would they give an FAQ update when new rules are coming out. From what I read, since I play Tyranids, Nids are already handicapped and it looks like 7th will just keep Nids handicapped while the "Imperial of Man" players get the "easy button" again. So why play a game when you are already at a disadvantage?

Just like a lot of other people said, why pay for something that we will not even get 2 years out of. Nobody plays around where I play now. So what is the use? Doesn't do me any good. Do I really need a hard cover of Visions when I don't even buy the soft cover version?

Unless 7th edition gets people to start playing 40K again, Dropzone Commander has my interest now. So I will just model with what I have and see if DV has the mini rule book and I may get it then. Also with a lot of people leaving looks like GW will just raise up the prices again to compensate for the people leaving again, so again no initiative to buy upcoming products are even more expensive prices.

Davor wrote:
Unless we are getting good FAQs for our armies, and an FAQ for 6th edition to update it, then it looks like I will not be getting it. Yes I know, why would they give an FAQ update when new rules are coming out. From what I read, since I play Tyranids, Nids are already handicapped and it looks like 7th will just keep Nids handicapped while the "Imperial of Man" players get the "easy button" again. So why play a game when you are already at a disadvantage?

Just like a lot of other people said, why pay for something that we will not even get 2 years out of. Nobody plays around where I play now. So what is the use? Doesn't do me any good. Do I really need a hard cover of Visions when I don't even buy the soft cover version?

Unless 7th edition gets people to start playing 40K again, Dropzone Commander has my interest now. So I will just model with what I have and see if DV has the mini rule book and I may get it then. Also with a lot of people leaving looks like GW will just raise up the prices again to compensate for the people leaving again, so again no initiative to buy upcoming products are even more expensive prices.

The starter set rulebook will be incomplete. It contains only the rules for infantry.

If true Selym, (thanks for letting me know) now I know not to get excited for it. I might get DV just to finish off my DA and AL armies, but playing 40K and buying new minis will come to an end then.

I have university next year. I'm not blowing off any more money on wargaming until I have things stable. If I want new rules, I'll just make and change them. (at least for now)

I don't think I'll be bothered for a while with new rules. But I play at home mainly, so I can afford not to get up to date with the new stuff. I'll probably go back to 4th, that was my favourite.

I pre-ordered. I used to play MTG, but to stay competitive in standard, you were dropping 200 a year at a minimum to have one winning deck. That is if you bought singles, and didn't bother with collecting either. Or you could drop down into modern or legacy, paying 500+ for a deck that could be banned if it got too good. If you tried to collect and play, or have multiple decks to use, or build a EDH deck, the price starts skyrocketing. A new set comes out every three-4 months in MTG, and people are excited to see the new content, rather than QQing about having to pay money for their hobby. I got into 40k, because it is cheaper.

Its still up in the air for me. So far I hate the sounds of the rumored rules. Too much of 6th has already killed 40k for me and most of my friends never even bought 6th.

I'm going to wait to see some reviews of it before I make up my mind. So far i'm leaning closer to not buying it.

holds up hand.

I didn't like what they did to my game in 6th ed, and don't like what I'm seeing for 7th. If I want to play future WHFB I can play RT40k.
I did play the game for 25 years. Over time, the love of the game turned to like, dislike and revulsion.

As it is, if I want to play SF, I have infinity and a few other better rulesets than 40k that scratch that itch.

Well, on the bright side, I can now play that radical inquisitor and summon daemons. (Kill them after they do the job??).

At least now it makes sense for my Grey Knights to attack pretty much anyone as a daemon summoner.

Looking forward to being able to have traitor guard again, that was a lot of fun but who knows when they will take them away again...

Just a couple days and then we get to see the black and white, wonder what the game changers have inflicted on us...
See if we can spot rules for flogging models vs. making the game run better vs. making the game more fun.

Yeah I'll watch a few games first see how it goes and what not. maybe a month or three

Filling gap with Malifaux, Dark Age, and Wrath of Kings, when it come out of Kickstarter which will be soon.

 cardboardcrackhead wrote:
I pre-ordered. I used to play MTG, but to stay competitive in standard, you were dropping 200 a year at a minimum to have one winning deck. That is if you bought singles, and didn't bother with collecting either. Or you could drop down into modern or legacy, paying 500+ for a deck that could be banned if it got too good. If you tried to collect and play, or have multiple decks to use, or build a EDH deck, the price starts skyrocketing. A new set comes out every three-4 months in MTG, and people are excited to see the new content, rather than QQing about having to pay money for their hobby. I got into 40k, because it is cheaper.

At my flgs, I'm always seeing people drop like 30-50 bucks on a single MtG card. I asked the "Magic guy" about it once, and he said players regularly spend that much on cards, only to turn around and trade them back in for like 10 bucks...seems more "crack-like" than 40k for sure!

I'm buying it, but only as the test chimp for all my friends who can't afford it (go go ebay funding)

That way we'll have one copy on hand, and we can all figure out if we like it or not.

Hopefully I'll make it back in beer and pretzels, cause after $85 I'm not buying for awhile.

I am getting 7th edition but selling the rules, as I now still play 4th edition, and keeping the book about the fluff and art

 jasper76 wrote:

 cardboardcrackhead wrote:
I pre-ordered. I used to play MTG, but to stay competitive in standard, you were dropping 200 a year at a minimum to have one winning deck. That is if you bought singles, and didn't bother with collecting either. Or you could drop down into modern or legacy, paying 500+ for a deck that could be banned if it got too good. If you tried to collect and play, or have multiple decks to use, or build a EDH deck, the price starts skyrocketing. A new set comes out every three-4 months in MTG, and people are excited to see the new content, rather than QQing about having to pay money for their hobby. I got into 40k, because it is cheaper.

At my flgs, I'm always seeing people drop like 30-50 bucks on a single MtG card. I asked the "Magic guy" about it once, and he said players regularly spend that much on cards, only to turn around and trade them back in for like 10 bucks...seems more "crack-like" than 40k for sure!

Back when I had Yu-gi-oh cards (~8 years ago), I was still in Primary School, and even there people would be trading furiously for better cards.

Thinking about how that translates when you have money, 40k's not looking as bad as it used to.
Still bad, but it could be worse.

Big rule book:
US funds = $85
Can funds = $100
Australia = I dare not think about it...

 Talizvar wrote:
Big rule book:
US funds = $85
Can funds = $100
Australia = I dare not think about it...

$140...

Or £76.67...

I will eagerly read all about 7th edition, but I will hold off on buying the rules. Mainly because it sounds like they didn't really do anything to fix vehicles (destruction on a 7+ is nice, but it doesn't address the hull point issue)

What hull point issue?
It just makes hull point the main threat, with low-ap having a "treat" in terms of a small chance to auto-destroy.

Meaning-glancing down takes is going to be the main answer. not helping for an AV11 rhino, but what did you expect for 50 points? being unbrakeable?

lootas wrote:
I am getting 7th edition but selling the rules, as I now still play 4th edition, and keeping the book about the fluff and art

It is a pity you are in Singapore or I would buy the rulebook from you.

However there is probably someone in Singapore who will buy it.

A bit miffed that 6th was replaced so fast, but already pre-ordered the 7th Edition book. I spend hours and hours pouring over these books. I still look through my 5th and 6thd edition books all the time looking over the artwork and fluff. Good stuff.

Actually, I have come to a conclusion.
If there as a solo-rulebook, I'd get it.

Gonna buy the set, each book for a separate purpose.

Fluff book goes in the bathroom, picture book on the coffee table in the living room, rulebook goes in the gaming room.

 Xiorell wrote:
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

Because the books are roughly double the price in my country, so I have to wait for some reasonably priced copies to show up on Ebay.

 Xiorell wrote:
Who's choosing not to buy 7th Ed rules the weekend?
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

Havent seen any compelling reasons or rule fixes, clarifications that makes 7th of any intrest.


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 Selym wrote:

Davor wrote:
Unless we are getting good FAQs for our armies, and an FAQ for 6th edition to update it, then it looks like I will not be getting it. Yes I know, why would they give an FAQ update when new rules are coming out. From what I read, since I play Tyranids, Nids are already handicapped and it looks like 7th will just keep Nids handicapped while the "Imperial of Man" players get the "easy button" again. So why play a game when you are already at a disadvantage?

Just like a lot of other people said, why pay for something that we will not even get 2 years out of. Nobody plays around where I play now. So what is the use? Doesn't do me any good. Do I really need a hard cover of Visions when I don't even buy the soft cover version?

Unless 7th edition gets people to start playing 40K again, Dropzone Commander has my interest now. So I will just model with what I have and see if DV has the mini rule book and I may get it then. Also with a lot of people leaving looks like GW will just raise up the prices again to compensate for the people leaving again, so again no initiative to buy upcoming products are even more expensive prices.

The starter set rulebook will be incomplete. It contains only the rules for infantry.

It would need rules for the Hellbrute me Thinks

because I bought 6th only 2 years ago. oh and I loathe gargantuan, superheavies, and D strength in normal games. those all sound like super fun and balanced things.

 BoomWolf wrote:
What hull point issue?
It just makes hull point the main threat, with low-ap having a "treat" in terms of a small chance to auto-destroy.

Meaning-glancing down takes is going to be the main answer. not helping for an AV11 rhino, but what did you expect for 50 points? being unbrakeable?

Hull points are already a huge main threat. Vehicles are far more likely to be 'hull pointed out' long before a destroyed a result is rolled, so making destroyed results less likely is only a small increase in durability. I would prefer the chart to remain unchanged, but for hull points to be increased. This would make high strength low Ap weapons the primary tank killers, as opposed to mid strength mid AP weapons.

Nope, not buying it. I already memorized the rules changes and most don't apply to me directly. its a shame because i like the changes but i already sunk the money elsewhere.

I've been temporarily put off by GW recently...
I'll hold on to my minis until 8th comes out (assuming GW doesn't collapse before then), and I'll consider using that ruleset. Otherwise, once I'm done sulking, I'll just go back to 6E and alternate rulesets.

In the meantime, however, I'm thinking of getting a butt load of 6mm fantasy minis, making up my own fantasy universe, and from there construct a simple, yet fun, ruleset for those minis. Really, I only got into wargaming so that I could have some story-related fun, and watch armies beat the snot out of eachother.

 Selym wrote:
I've been temporarily put off by GW recently...
I'll hold on to my minis until 8th comes out (assuming GW doesn't collapse before then), and I'll consider using that ruleset. Otherwise, once I'm done sulking, I'll just go back to 6E and alternate rulesets.

In the meantime, however, I'm thinking of getting a butt load of 6mm fantasy minis, making up my own fantasy universe, and from there construct a simple, yet fun, ruleset for those minis. Really, I only got into wargaming so that I could have some story-related fun, and watch armies beat the snot out of eachother.

I'm still waiting for an Elder scrolls mini game that will never happen. :(

Not going to be playing anything as per GW's rules anymore unless I see something really impressive.

This Muto is retreating to it's cocoon of excruciatingly carefully crafted and tested homebrew and custom rules.

I had been PUMPED for 7th.... but then..... then the unthinkable happened. THEY TOOK my traitor IG allies from my CSM...... Jokes on you GW! Not only will i not be buying more IG units/ the codex but im also going to ebay the units i already have. So you lose on my sales and the sale from what ever sucker picks up my 2nd hand IG units.


srsly.... 2 year....

/rant off.

Sorry just super bummed

Won't be bothering to pick up a copy I'm not really a gamer but I always liked to have the rules so if I wanted to I could play. However due to the price, how soon it's come out and how some of the rules just seem to be a big middle finger to the fluff I wont be getting it. I'll continue to buy the models and make armies but I'm done when it comes to 40K as a game.

sirlotsofpain wrote:
I had been PUMPED for 7th.... but then..... then the unthinkable happened. THEY TOOK my traitor IG allies from my CSM...... Jokes on you GW! Not only will i not be buying more IG units/ the codex but im also going to ebay the units i already have. So you lose on my sales and the sale from what ever sucker picks up my 2nd hand IG units.


srsly.... 2 year....

/rant off.

Sorry just super bummed

Before you OD on anti-depressants, you should know that you can now take "Come the Apocalypse" allies. And they're still scoring. They just have to deploy 12" apart and have the "One eye open" special rule (same as Desperate Allies now).

Hard to believe, I know - and most of you probably have me on Ignore due to my ranting in previous threads - but I'm out as they are not even hiding the fact it's a cash grab.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Hard to believe, I know - and most of you probably have me on Ignore due to my ranting in previous threads - but I'm out as they are not even hiding the fact it's a cash grab.

That's probably the part I find most offensive about 7th. It's basically "buy all our stuff and throw it on the table!"
That and tossing the fluff into the trash bin. (Ultramarine's summoning demons. Feth that.)

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Hard to believe, I know - and most of you probably have me on Ignore due to my ranting in previous threads - but I'm out as they are not even hiding the fact it's a cash grab.

That's probably the part I find most offensive about 7th. It's basically "buy all our stuff and throw it on the table!"
That and tossing the fluff into the trash bin. (Ultramarine's summoning demons. Feth that.)

Heck, look at stuff like the Wood Elves being able to summon Citadel(™) Woods now, rather than just saying they summon woods.

I mean, the models sell themselves based on their quality, I don't think jamming that sort of car salesmanship down people's throats wins much support.

 Xiorell wrote:
Who's choosing not to buy 7th Ed rules the weekend?
What's your reasons for not being bothered?

Its take the family of 4 out for a movie, or buy this book. So. We dont see a movie for a week. meh. Ill get 2-4 games a week in if I buy it and zero if i dont.

i think the conclusion is clear.

I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

If so, I suppose that means I get a copy. If not, I won't be buying it. I think I am just going to work on models until 8th comes out. I am interested in the changes to the rules, and will play some games. But I don't really think I want this new book.

This is for a couple reasons. First, most of the people at my FLGS who I consider close friends are swearing off 40k for the immediate future. We are thinking poker instead, it's just simpler and more social.

Second, the rules don't suit the game as much anymore. Basically, the new rules don't solve anything for assault armies, and that's not really that interesting for me. What they do do is create all this new stuff around fortifications and Lords of War. I don't care about balance, but now there are times playing 40k where it's like trying to play basketball with a baseball bat. Something's really not right about it, they should fix what's there before bringing in all this new stuff.

I guess that's a long way of saying I will buy books when it's reasonable to run Berzerkers again. *pfft*

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

It'll be a cold day in hell if that ever happens.

I'll wait for the reviews to come in, then I'll go back to playing WHFB.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

GW giving out stuff for free?

Man am I in bizarro world or something?

 Kain wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:
I have the interactive edition of the 6th edition Codex. It has not been updated yet, but there's a rumor that happens for free.

GW giving out stuff for free?

Man am I in bizarro world or something?

Rumors, man, They can't all be right.

The other thing GW does is give us stuff we can't use. Either way, it's part of their MO.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I am skipping 7th because I do not want to reward GW with money for an accelerated edition update. Pure and simple I have no faith that GW made any meaningful changes to 7th other than adding the new psyker phase and I do not want to encourage more of these updates by handing over additional money for essentially the same rules I purchased two years ago.

I honestly believe that if 7th's release is successful then this truncated edition life span will become the new status quo and I do not want to play a part in that change. My little protest may be meaningless, but I won't have any regrets about buying a rehashed rule set so I consider that a win.

Hear Hear! I DO NOT want to pay $100 CAD for what is just edition 6.5. The book I have is pretty much still new (it still crackles when opened), and the psyker phase and a daemonology lore isnt worth anywhere close to that amount. This is the kind of crap that shouldnt be encouraged, and I really hope that this doesnt become the norm.

I gotta say I have been against naysayers for a while but with this edition I have no desire to purchase anything. I'm honestly going to wait it out because 40K has been in a very steady decline since Escalation/Stronghold came out. So many people are getting burned out, including me. I have not purchased the new rulebook nor have any desire to in the near future.

I type this with a very sad face on.