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I also will be departing from 40k and setting sail onto the familiar waters of MtG and X-wing. I was a fan and started playing during 3ed, the game had its flaws but was still nice and good fun. 6ed was when things started to go sideways - formations, dataslates, allies chart and flyers all were steps in the wrond direction for me. I guess the constant CC nerfing and some batgak insane rules (smoke break after disembarking from a non-assault vehicle in eariler eds for instance) were the first nails and the demonology, unbound armies and psychic shennanigans are the last nails in my 40k's coffin.

Same thing with me. X-wing and Infinity/Warmachine for me this summer . I will read the rules when they are out , but I don't think my AM are going to see much action in the near future. Sad considering how much the army cost me .

I've only just (in the course of this thread) found out about the loyalist summons demon thing.... Only started playing in 6th Ed myself but I've been a massive fan of the fluff and really soaked it up... But that's just.... Wrong.

If that's the case I might as well just make it up as I go along too.... Storm talon for my space wolves? OK. Baneblade for my wolves? Check. Riptide piloted by a grey hunter? Fine.

 Xiorell wrote:
I've only just (in the course of this thread) found out about the loyalist summons demon thing.... Only started playing in 6th Ed myself but I've been a massive fan of the fluff and really soaked it up... But that's just.... Wrong.

If that's the case I might as well just make it up as I go along too.... Storm talon for my space wolves? OK. Baneblade for my wolves? Check. Riptide piloted by a grey hunter? Fine.

GW be like:

Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

 MWHistorian wrote:
A game where an Ultramarine can legally summon a demon isn't the same game I used to play.

And yet I still can't field genestealer cultists. *Grumblegrumble*.


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 Selym wrote:

 Xiorell wrote:
I've only just (in the course of this thread) found out about the loyalist summons demon thing.... Only started playing in 6th Ed myself but I've been a massive fan of the fluff and really soaked it up... But that's just.... Wrong.

If that's the case I might as well just make it up as I go along too.... Storm talon for my space wolves? OK. Baneblade for my wolves? Check. Riptide piloted by a grey hunter? Fine.

GW be like:

Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

It can either be an awesome book...or a lazy way to promote two models like Codex: Stormicus Trooperus and Codex: Pacific Rim (No gurlz allowed).

I might not bother starting a new army as such. Forget about how the game plays, just buy a bunch of random models for the painting/display qualities.

I've managed to club together a spare few hundred to spend on the hobby this month and it was gonna be an AM army but now... I don't like tau but the riptide is a neat model... Don't have any place for an imperial Knight but its a cool model... Don't have any other DE but I love that pain engine model.
Might just do that for a bit

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Playing other games. Not really feeling like buying another £50 book after 2 years. Probably gonna get an intro couple of games and then wait for a pdf or minirulebook off ebay.

Have stopped playing, get more fun out of £30 RPG game/book than £50 rulebooks and £30 codex+ miniatures+time painting only to play against imbalanced forces.

 Selym wrote:
(...)
GW be like:
Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

 Kain wrote:

(...)Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

I am getting the same impression. Also, in 6th edition, there was a full entry for them in the background section. Two pages. And they are not described as Traitor Guard, but as a completely unique faction. I trembled in excitement when I read it.

Perhaps now is the time for Mechanicus and the Lost of the Damned...

 da001 wrote:

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

One word - Stukov.

 da001 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
(...)
GW be like:
Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

 Kain wrote:

(...)Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

I am getting the same impression. Also, in 6th edition, there was a full entry for them in the background section. Two pages. And they are not described as Traitor Guard, but as a completely unique faction. I trembled in excitement when I read it.

Perhaps now is the time for Mechanicus and the Lost of the Damned...

That has been epic.
Also, assuming they're going to do a Lost and the damned is wishful thinking. How many years have Chaos players been asking for legions?

 da001 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
(...)
GW be like:
Loyalist Heldrake? Dat's coo.
Ultramarine's Riptide? Makes sense.
Commissar in a mycetic spore [pretend they still exist]? No problem.
Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

CSM legally allowed to take IG as traitor guard via the allies matrix? HOW FKING DARE YOU!?

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

 Kain wrote:

(...)Clearly GW is going to make a Codex: Lost and the Damned.

I am getting the same impression. Also, in 6th edition, there was a full entry for them in the background section. Two pages. And they are not described as Traitor Guard, but as a completely unique faction. I trembled in excitement when I read it.

Perhaps now is the time for Mechanicus and the Lost of the Damned...

I'm also hoping for more Xenos armies, at least Kroot and Genestealer cults; perhaps Harlequins and Exodites too. But I'd really like it if they elevated some background races to full codex status. The minor xenos in 40k are so disproportionately fascinating for how little is known about them.

I'm not bothering with it. Games Workshop's strategy of ignoring trying to get new players in favor of milking existing players for more and more money each year doesn't sit well with me. They're getting progressively more blatant with writing cash grab rules. They're destroying the fluff I've enjoyed for years now because they want to sell daemon resins. I don't see how anyone sane could stick with it at this point, unless they don't care at all about either rules or lore.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Also,My 6th edition book still makes a crackling sound when you open it.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Not really feeling like buying another £50 book after 2 years. Probably gonna get an intro couple of games and then wait for a pdf or minirulebook off ebay.

 Battlesong wrote:
2 reasons: 1st I want to get full reviews of the book before I jump in. So far all of the leaks I've seen do not have me excited at all for 7th edition
2nd I am waiting for the minibook or to split a DV set with someone. I refuse to pay GW 85.00 for what appears to be at least 80% copy/paste or slight rewrite and a full book of pictures that I am never going to open

All of the above plus:

I have a 19 month old who requires more stuff than I require plastic toys and rule books. I played less than 5 games of 6th ed 40k. All against the same person. Gonna sit back and wait. At some point I will buy it (BRB and small paperback {full started box is ??} ) as I really enjoy the game and modeling. I also have all the 40k rule books at this point so IF I ever sell, having 7th may only help in the aftermarket sale. I have only been playing since just before 4th.

 Klerych wrote:

 da001 wrote:

The Commissar in a spore is something quite inspiring....

One word - Stukov.

More like Stirlitz IMO.

@Klerych: I completely forgot about Stukov! Yeah good catch.

 MWHistorian wrote:
(...)
Also, assuming they're going to do a Lost and the damned is wishful thinking. How many years have Chaos players been asking for legions?

 Kain wrote:
(...)
I'm also hoping for more Xenos armies, at least Kroot and Genestealer cults; perhaps Harlequins and Exodites too. But I'd really like it if they elevated some background races to full codex status. The minor xenos in 40k are so disproportionately fascinating for how little is known about them.

I am not bothering with 7th for now... but I will totally start buying every Codex again if they just give what the players have been asking for for ages.

Mechanicus, Chaos Legions, Lost and the Damned, Sisters of Battle, more Xenos... the setting is awesome yet it seems we are stuck with the same factions all the time. Instead of changing the rules, they should add new content taken from the setting.

Imperial Knights was a step in the right direction, I think. In spite of being a one model Codex, breaking the sense of scale and introducing senseless retcons (like all drivers being male, or like 'there are not Chaos Knights anymore because apparently they are far more resistent to chaos than marines'...).

We will see.

 da001 wrote:
@Klerych: I completely forgot about Stukov! Yeah good catch.

 MWHistorian wrote:
(...)
Also, assuming they're going to do a Lost and the damned is wishful thinking. How many years have Chaos players been asking for legions?

 Kain wrote:
(...)
I'm also hoping for more Xenos armies, at least Kroot and Genestealer cults; perhaps Harlequins and Exodites too. But I'd really like it if they elevated some background races to full codex status. The minor xenos in 40k are so disproportionately fascinating for how little is known about them.

I am not bothering with 7th for now... but I will totally start buying every Codex again if they just give what the players have been asking for for ages.

Mechanicus, Chaos Legions, Lost and the Damned, Sisters of Battle, more Xenos... the setting is awesome yet it seems we are stuck with the same factions all the time. Instead of changing the rules, they should add new content taken from the setting.

Imperial Knights was a step in the right direction, I think. In spite of being a one model Codex, breaking the sense of scale and introducing senseless retcons (like all drivers being male, or like 'there are not Chaos Knights anymore because apparently they are far more resistent to chaos than marines'...).

We will see.

I expect that in updates to the Knights that we'll see the other knights from Epic brought in, and perhaps new ones invented out of whole cloth.

I kind of wish GW didn't screw over CA though, they were great at giving rules to corners of the universe GW forgot, and sure FW does that now, but it'd be better if there were two such groups taking care of that.

 Selym wrote:
[Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

I do feel obliged to point out that they have now spoiled daemonology fully, and while the other imperium psykers can summon daemons, GK do not get access to Maelfic Daemonology and Daemons do not get access to Sanctic

 Battlesong wrote:

 Selym wrote:
[Grey Knight summoning a bloodthirster? Gotcha there

I do feel obliged to point out that they have now spoiled daemonology fully, and while the other imperium psykers can summon daemons, GK do not get access to Maelfic Daemonology and Daemons do not get access to Sanctic

Then let me rephrase:

Spehss Mehreenz summoning Bloodthirsters? The Codex Astartes supports this action.

Unless we are getting good FAQs for our armies, and an FAQ for 6th edition to update it, then it looks like I will not be getting it. Yes I know, why would they give an FAQ update when new rules are coming out. From what I read, since I play Tyranids, Nids are already handicapped and it looks like 7th will just keep Nids handicapped while the "Imperial of Man" players get the "easy button" again. So why play a game when you are already at a disadvantage?

Just like a lot of other people said, why pay for something that we will not even get 2 years out of. Nobody plays around where I play now. So what is the use? Doesn't do me any good. Do I really need a hard cover of Visions when I don't even buy the soft cover version?

Unless 7th edition gets people to start playing 40K again, Dropzone Commander has my interest now. So I will just model with what I have and see if DV has the mini rule book and I may get it then. Also with a lot of people leaving looks like GW will just raise up the prices again to compensate for the people leaving again, so again no initiative to buy upcoming products are even more expensive prices.

Davor wrote:
Unless we are getting good FAQs for our armies, and an FAQ for 6th edition to update it, then it looks like I will not be getting it. Yes I know, why would they give an FAQ update when new rules are coming out. From what I read, since I play Tyranids, Nids are already handicapped and it looks like 7th will just keep Nids handicapped while the "Imperial of Man" players get the "easy button" again. So why play a game when you are already at a disadvantage?

Just like a lot of other people said, why pay for something that we will not even get 2 years out of. Nobody plays around where I play now. So what is the use? Doesn't do me any good. Do I really need a hard cover of Visions when I don't even buy the soft cover version?

Unless 7th edition gets people to start playing 40K again, Dropzone Commander has my interest now. So I will just model with what I have and see if DV has the mini rule book and I may get it then. Also with a lot of people leaving looks like GW will just raise up the prices again to compensate for the people leaving again, so again no initiative to buy upcoming products are even more expensive prices.

The starter set rulebook will be incomplete. It contains only the rules for infantry.

If true Selym, (thanks for letting me know) now I know not to get excited for it. I might get DV just to finish off my DA and AL armies, but playing 40K and buying new minis will come to an end then.

I have university next year. I'm not blowing off any more money on wargaming until I have things stable. If I want new rules, I'll just make and change them. (at least for now)

I don't think I'll be bothered for a while with new rules. But I play at home mainly, so I can afford not to get up to date with the new stuff. I'll probably go back to 4th, that was my favourite.

I pre-ordered. I used to play MTG, but to stay competitive in standard, you were dropping 200 a year at a minimum to have one winning deck. That is if you bought singles, and didn't bother with collecting either. Or you could drop down into modern or legacy, paying 500+ for a deck that could be banned if it got too good. If you tried to collect and play, or have multiple decks to use, or build a EDH deck, the price starts skyrocketing. A new set comes out every three-4 months in MTG, and people are excited to see the new content, rather than QQing about having to pay money for their hobby. I got into 40k, because it is cheaper.

Its still up in the air for me. So far I hate the sounds of the rumored rules. Too much of 6th has already killed 40k for me and most of my friends never even bought 6th.

I'm going to wait to see some reviews of it before I make up my mind. So far i'm leaning closer to not buying it.

holds up hand.

I didn't like what they did to my game in 6th ed, and don't like what I'm seeing for 7th. If I want to play future WHFB I can play RT40k.
I did play the game for 25 years. Over time, the love of the game turned to like, dislike and revulsion.

As it is, if I want to play SF, I have infinity and a few other better rulesets than 40k that scratch that itch.

Well, on the bright side, I can now play that radical inquisitor and summon daemons. (Kill them after they do the job??).

At least now it makes sense for my Grey Knights to attack pretty much anyone as a daemon summoner.

Looking forward to being able to have traitor guard again, that was a lot of fun but who knows when they will take them away again...

Just a couple days and then we get to see the black and white, wonder what the game changers have inflicted on us...
See if we can spot rules for flogging models vs. making the game run better vs. making the game more fun.

Yeah I'll watch a few games first see how it goes and what not. maybe a month or three

Filling gap with Malifaux, Dark Age, and Wrath of Kings, when it come out of Kickstarter which will be soon.

 cardboardcrackhead wrote:
I pre-ordered. I used to play MTG, but to stay competitive in standard, you were dropping 200 a year at a minimum to have one winning deck. That is if you bought singles, and didn't bother with collecting either. Or you could drop down into modern or legacy, paying 500+ for a deck that could be banned if it got too good. If you tried to collect and play, or have multiple decks to use, or build a EDH deck, the price starts skyrocketing. A new set comes out every three-4 months in MTG, and people are excited to see the new content, rather than QQing about having to pay money for their hobby. I got into 40k, because it is cheaper.

At my flgs, I'm always seeing people drop like 30-50 bucks on a single MtG card. I asked the "Magic guy" about it once, and he said players regularly spend that much on cards, only to turn around and trade them back in for like 10 bucks...seems more "crack-like" than 40k for sure!

I'm buying it, but only as the test chimp for all my friends who can't afford it (go go ebay funding)

That way we'll have one copy on hand, and we can all figure out if we like it or not.

Hopefully I'll make it back in beer and pretzels, cause after $85 I'm not buying for awhile.