From my understanding.

In certain events, you bring along your normal fleet of 90 points.

You then get handed a black box containing 1 of 5 ships. - Either a Bajoran Interceptor, Romulan Warbird, Klingon D7/K'tinga Class, Jem Hadar Attack Fighter or a Federation Sabre class. - All new ships/cards. 'That Teri Girl' on Youtube shows the full contents of each one.

You then get a short while to make a 30 point ship up out of the contents/cards of one of these boxes.

That then gives you a 120 point fleet which you use for the remainder of the tournament.

In 'the collective' that's the case, yeah. Folk seem pretty happy to trade post tourney though. The Klingon ship is very potent in the scenario, the fed ship is sought after by all the Hu - mons, so even if you don't pull the alternate jem'hadar attack ship you.could quite feasibly trade for one.

 SkaerKrow wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Before I go further with this game, reading up here and elsewhere, am I going to find that many strong ships and cards are 'event prizes' or something and end up spending daft money on ebay for rare ships or a single card?

I'm a tabletop wargamer and don't want to get into a MtG style game, I like a tactical game with a reasonable fleet of models on the table rather than a stack of funky combo cards stacking up to make some horribly powerful deck.

There isn't a gaming community near me playing this, I don't want to get into hardcore tournaments.

You do not need any of the expensive prize ships to get the most out of the game (they aren't even important for many competitive builds in the current meta). It's unfortunate that a couple of the smaller factions (Vulcans, Bajorans, and Ferengi) have prize ships, because it means that you need the those ships in order to flesh out a complete fleet for those factions. That said, the Federation, Borg, Klingons, Dominion, and Romulans can all field very capable fleets without ever putting any of the prize ships on the table. Don't worry, the game isn't a scam to get you to buy rares off of eBay.

I disagree with this statement. The Flagship cards make your ship that much better, adding +1 to three of the four stats, and granting extra abilities/upgrade bar. For 10 SP, and the only way to get them is participating in the Dominion OP 4. I haven't seen a player that has them not use them yet, they are that good. Another one is the Attack Die (Dominion OP 1), and the upcoming Counter Attack die. I would agree on the ships though- so far, none of them are a "must have" except the USS Yeager/Saber Class Cruiser from Collective OP 3. That thing is a flying gunboat. FYI- its ability is "If you discard a target lock to attack with Photon Torpedoes, do not disable the Photon Torpedoes". The crew card that comes with it while is not all that good against non-Borg (Sulu is better), is a champion/must have vs. Borg. Dominion players seem to swear by the Breen ship Rav Laerst. Good ship, good Captain card, and great eltie tactics card. To face someone that has access to all those OP prizes and you have none is a very frustrating experience. I didn't start playing this game until May (I'm normally an X-Wing player), and attended the Tholian Web event. My first opponent had one 100 point Borg Sphere with all the "special" cards. It was really fun facing an opponent that could throw 10 attack dice in a 360 arc at me. I managed to do I think 2-3 hits on his Ablative Shield Generator. Then he bent me over the table and said in a Borg voice "Resistance is futile. You will be @$$ raped". LOL Ok he didn't say that, but it sure felt like it. Left a pretty bad taste in my mouth such that I got onto eBay that night and spent close to $100 on cards and a couple ships.

It's not that the OP ships are, well, OP. It's the cards that come with them that you will want to use on other ships. This is where Wizkids shine: the Organized Play support is absolutely fantastic. Show up to play and you are pretty much guaranteed to get a participation prize (like the above mentioned Flagship cards or attack die). Win the whole event and you get a ship. How can you beat that?!?!

I'm not a tourney guy so take these feeling with the 0.02 they're worth. Those fleet captain cards are awesome and easily attainable from eBay for less then $10 shipping included. You'd pay that much or more for a warcaster upgrade like the squire so I feel it's worth it. Same with the hideki fighters. Payed less then $10. Some of the OP stuff is great but it's easily attainable.

Luckily, the resources are fairly easy to get.

I actually have all of the resources from the first set of tournaments despite not ever playing at a single one. I got most of them for free due to some really nice people out there!

http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-neca-wizkids-gen-con-attack-wing-exclusive

Very nice looking cards. No idea why Garak is Dominion faction, but you don't pay penalty for him regardless so it hardly matters.

Not sure how fussed I am to get the cloaked ships you have to buy to get these though...

Well, there goes me selling me soul to ebay for the DS9 cards...
Although I suspect they'll be bundled with the Xmas release of DS9 itself.

I do like these cards, but I don't feel that any of them are game changing must haves. I will not be able to make it to GenCon, so I will sit and wait to see if the are coming in the November retail DS9 release. The solicit for the DS9 does say "exact game components subject to change". So I am willing to bet those sneaky little tribbles at WK are going to throw something in there. The "exclusive" part about these could just be that they are being offered outside the DS9 model, but who knows for sure

Wife ordered me to obtain the Garak card, because Garak.

I think Quark and T'Kar are the most useful, maybe T'Rul too. The rest seem ok to me. To get the full use of Garak you have to buy a talent, I thin the cheapest is 2 points. So that is a minimal investment of 6 points, I think that is a bit much. I also don't like how his abilities off set each other.

personally, regarding OP resources, if you dont have them and no one has spares for you,


just print off the rules for them and use that.

as far as I and everyone else I know is concerned, if wiz kids dont sell it, you can make it yourself and play with it.


I did the first blind booster pack, and TOTALLy lucked out getting the klingon one when I brought my klingons... holy balls, this is a good ship, one of the few that makes me feel they NEED to release these to the general public as the ship and the cards are definately things that klingon players need in their fleet.

I also managed to snag the jager too as someone owed me a ship, its pretty decent, but not as "must have" as the klingon one.

So,apparently a lot of people are ticked off, and I mean in a BIG way about those DS9 cards at gen con...

If WK plans on releasing them in the DS9 Retail Release, they better say so sooner rather than later, people are MAADD!

It is becoming quite the heated topic over on BGG. I am not going to loose my mind just yet, there is plenty of opportunity for WK to release them down the road. I expect we will see them in the DS9 or at least the same characters with different text. We should also be getting another Sisko in the mirror universe Defiant, which I believe is a September or October release. So we all just need to stay calm and trek on

^Not necessarily - remember, Smily built and captained that one.

Have WK clarified how you get the GC promos? Is it buying one sparkly ship, all the sparkly ships... ?

Reading the link I put up earlier, it seems to suggest a boxed set with the sparkly ships and all the cards shown and 'additional stuff'...

 inmygravenimage wrote:
^Not necessarily - remember, Smily built and captained that one.

Have WK clarified how you get the GC promos? Is it buying one sparkly ship, all the sparkly ships... ?

Actually in "Shattered Mirror" the human rebels had to trick Sisko into crossing over so he could help them fix the Defiant. Sisko captained the ship in its first engagement and Smiley was the helmsman. We didn't see Smiley as captain until "The Emperor's New Cloak".

True enough, I was thinking about mirror sisko rather than "our" sisko.
@mgs - yeah. Boo, etc. Although I have found a pal who's going and she's going to at least look for them for me.

With the blind boosters, are they usually subsidised a bit as part of the entry price to the event? Or are you stuck paying the full whack for a random ship, plus the entry fee?

My stores are just charging $15 for the blind ship and no entry fee. $15 is the cost of a regular booster in the USA.

Oh yeah, sold a handful of magic cards to my local game store and reinforcements have arrived

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Oh yeah, sold a handful of magic cards to my local game store and reinforcements have arrived

Hmm, I see a Raptor in there, gonna try my 4 ship stasis flank build?

Na, I just realized the other day that I didn't have one. So now after taking inventory I believe the only ship I don't have is the 8472 bishop. I have nothing against them just not much of an interest. At this point though I believe my days of getting everything are about at a close. Unless there is something earth shattering in the expansion I don't see my self buying the NX clas Enterprise. Just not a fan of the show. The Praetus looked awesome and is Romulan so that was a must and I wanted the Somraw for TOS games. Archer and gang didn't really do much for me.

I was hoping to avoid buying the retail Vulcan Surok class, since I picked up a T'mur, but I have a friend that is thinking of playing and he loves Vulcans. Nobody is perfect. Hirogen and Vidian may be interesting as will retail Tholians.


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I also don't really care for mirror universe stuff either. So unless there is something awesome in them, those packs are doubtful.

Species 8472 has ships too?

Is there a place that has a comprehensive list of all the ships released so far and those soon to be released?

The main page for attack wing on boardgamegeek lists all the expansions coming out through February 2015. Be prepared, the page is full of banner adds so it takes a while to load on a phone or tablet.

Thank you. I cannot wait for November.

So, I tried making up some fleets for what I figured would be a pretty awesome huge star trek game, using most of my collection.

I came to 200 points for a sensible version of my Dominion fleet - 1 of all the current releases (Battleship, 5th Wing Patrol Ship, Kraxon, Koronak, Gor Portas). Needless to say, I felt a little disappointed.

Surprsingly, for my 200 point federation fleet, I ended up cramming in the Enterprise, Enterprise-D, Defiant, Voyager and the Excelsior, with me not being too stingy on the upgrades.

Can someone explain a few things to me. What is faction pure? Are you telling me Captain Picard can command a Romulan ship?

What is considered Pure? Ships only, like Picard commanding the Enterprise D only but not the original or A, or he can command anything Federation?

There is 3 major mindsets in playing right now:

Mixed faction: mix whatever you want as long as you pay the faction penalty.

Faction Pure: all ships, captains, and upgrades must be of the same faction.

Ship Pure: fleet may be of different factions, but faction of the ship must be the same as the captain & upgrades on it.

Faction Pure usually refers to only taking units and fleets with the same Faction symbol on them. - So includes ships and captains and crew being all the same.

You also have what's commonly called "Ship Pure" which is, you can field a mix of ships from different factions in your fleet, however only Federation Upgrades on a Federation ship.

As far as I know, there's no name for insisting that ship contents only stay on the ship they came with, eg Picard only on the Enterprise D. Except for the blind boosters in the events mentioned earlier that is.

I do however, end up feeling uneasy though if I put things obviously wrong. - Like Picard on Voyager and Janeway on the Enterprise D in the same fleet.


In the 'standard' rules, every captain and ship can be mixed in every which way you want, however putting a card on a ship belonging to a different faction costs an extra point over what is printed on the card.

Thank you guys for the explanation, greatly appreciated.

I personally would love to see events 'Faction Pure', with perhaps a caveat for taking 1 'indy' ship, to include all the minor league ships with no full faction (species 8 something something something, ferengi, tholians, bajoran etc).

The total 'everything with everything' seems to result in some really broken things, from what I've read, especially with borg ships carrying cards from other factions and does favor the guy with 'the most toys'...

Noob question incoming - Is there some resource out there to find out the stats/upgrades/etc for the available ships? Totally new to the game and I'd like to start a Klingon fleet, but I don't want to buy stuff blindly...

 Beer_&_Bolters wrote:
Noob question incoming - Is there some resource out there to find out the stats/upgrades/etc for the available ships? Totally new to the game and I'd like to start a Klingon fleet, but I don't want to buy stuff blindly...

dracossoftware.com/STAWHome.html

Great resource.

http://www.startrek.com/article/star-trek-attack-wings-wave-7-preview-nivar

A great addition to the Vulcan fleet. This pack adds some great choices, where the D'Kyr and Ti'Mur were a little lacking

Well, I ended up winning my OP Arena event with my Federation build. - Though there was some uncertainty about whether Captain Spock + Admiral Kirk counted as Captain Skill 6, or 8.

Fortunately the organisers went with 8, otherwise my entire strategy would have been blown apart, as Kirk would never have been able to become a 'Captain' to get beamed down as well, and the captains battles would have gone very differently, and, not in my favour, I imagine.

Being able to have Picard, Kirk, Janeway and Spock in the captains battle certainly did give me a massive handup, allowing me to win every single one without any casualties, even against some pretty dangerous other captain focussed builds.

However, the event itself was a little surprising. - There wasn't a single Borg player there and also Khan didn't turn up either.

All in all a good day though, so next question... Anyone got tips on how to do the next event, would it be Collective OP 1?

For OP1 I would suggest stacking upgrades. I went to 2 OP1s, both were mixed faftion. The first I had a 90 point Koraga and a 2nd 30 point ship. They didn't get their blind packs for that one. I won all 3 matches with that build. The 2nd one I went to I had a 90 point Ch'Tang and a B'Moth. In thatbone I won the 1st 2 games and lost the winners round to a stacked borg cube.

For tips don't be afraid to give up a round of shooting to draw the borg towards your opponent. If you can take the resistance action, do it. I saw a lot of games where people didn't bother with it and the borg ended up taking valuable upgrads. Or there were games were people didn't take much on there ships and one the captains were gone the borg lit them up.

I found taking one loaded 90 point ship very useful. I used the resistance to make sure I didn't loose upgrades I needed. In all 6 games the Borg Cube token never shot at my 90pt ship. Ships start going down fast when the cube throw 8 dice at them.

Ok, seriously, am I the only one who wants the Borg banned because of their cheesy movement dials? When the cube can sit there and outrun 90% of the ships in the game and take ships out with one combat step... I feel they're really broken...

No your not the only one. I keep hearing about more places banning them. I feel that they are like super heavies in 40K, fine for casual play but too unbalanced for tournaments. Lots of games ban things for tournaments. 40k and Fantasy usually bad FW, Magic has all kinds of restrictions, X-Wing doesn't allow Capital ships. So why shouldn't Attack Wing ban borg? You can't use DS9, borg are no different. They will only get worse when the scout cube comes out with another attack that you can't roll defense against. Plus a crew that can steal any upgrade through cloak/shields and is only 1 point more than O'Brian.

People keep telling me to get over it, I don't feel I should have to. When my ships keep getting one shotted by it.. I shouldn't be forced to abandon my faction because I refuse to buy Borg... No freaking way....

They are ridiculous. When the sphere first came out a friend of mine didn't believe me about how they could be abusive in mixed faction play. We played 100 points. I took down 2 loaded bio ships and never look damage. I was throwing 10-11 attack dice every turn. After that game he agreed with me.

I have a problem with a ship that can put out that much damaged every turn. Yes there are things like transphasic torpedoes and barrage of fire. However both of those are expensive discards and Barrage of fire requires 2 ships to take Aux tokens so you opponent knows where you are going to be the turn after.

Well, we don't allow mixed faction play at the OP events, I'm trying to get them banned based off of their ridiculous movement dials, but no one wants to listen... That cube stayed out of range of my ships with PSF until he just felt like moving toward them again, and blowing them to hell at the same time... This guy refuses to play anything but a stacked cube, and it's pissing me off!

I think Guild just got fanboy eyes when designing the borg. They don't really have a borg feel. The borg do not go backwards so I don't know why they have a reverse. Also the huge attack value doesn't really fit either. Its not that the borg have overwhelming weapons its that they adapt to your defenses. 4-5 would be appropriate, but not 6. It would have been more fitting for them to have a smaller attack value and an ACTION for adapting which whould either be reroll their attack dice or the opponents defense dice. Also judging by the upgrades that he has written for the borg, being cheaper and bettrer than other factions, plus he has never made an FAQ ruling against them I have to say Christopher Guild is designing like a FANBOY in heaven.


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Well, we don't allow mixed faction play at the OP events, I'm trying to get them banned based off of their ridiculous movement dials, but no one wants to listen... That cube stayed out of range of my ships with PSF until he just felt like moving toward them again, and blowing them to hell at the same time... This guy refuses to play anything but a stacked cube, and it's pissing me off!

That is a tough place to be in. I usually play 3 OPs a month. One is mixed faction, but we don't do anything crazy and usually have a gentleman's agreement of no borg. The 2nd is faction pure fleets, and the 3rd is no holds bar anything goes. At that one the borg narrowly lost the Tholian Web, Won The Arena*, and threw a beat down at Colletive OP1.


*I will admit I was the D bag with the borg at the Arena, but I really wanted that 2nd Gorn ship. However I wasn't the D bag with a cube and a shpere, I had to climb over him for the Gorn.

Why? Why would Guild allow the Borg to be played at OP events if he knew they were so overpowered?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Why? Why would Guild allow the Borg to be played at OP events if he knew they were so overpowered?

The Tholian Web was not entirely his fault, that OP kit was delayed a month by a China shipping issue. So it was originally intended to be played before the sphere release. Now for the Arena, that might be fanboy glasses. It's movment and regeneration made it reliable if you won or lost the captains battle.


In a system where dials and arcs are not factored into th points:

Why isn't hull armour unique?
Why did they need hull armour at all?
Why give them a weapon that doesn't allow defense dice?
Why allow a weapon like above that also destroys shields and gives Aux tokens?
Why do these weapons not need a target lock?
Why give them upgrade stealing cards that are better and cheaper than all the other factions?
How was all this actually play tested before going to the printer?

The only answer that makes sense is FANBOY at the helm.

Honestly, I feel like I want to quit playing this game...

I'm tired of losing all my damn ships to the borg in OP play, all because one cheesy damned player likes using Double hull armor, And because wizkids doesn't have the wherewithal to ban things themselves...

I have seen a few places now online ban borg from OPs. You should talk to the other players at you venue. If most of you agree, go to the TO about it. If he won't listen go over his head and go to the store owner. People have to pay $$ to play in these OPs, I think the majority of stores will do what the players want to keep the money flowing in. That is why there has been an increase in the number of stores that play faction pure OP. People got tired of Picard spheres. In my area there are 8 places to play within an hours drive 5 of them have moves to faction pure because the players wanted it. I think after the collective another is moving over the line.

One place I play mixed faction we have a gentleman's agreement of no borg, but the store would probably enforce it if we asked. A place some friends of mine play at is banning them because none of the regulars like them and they spend big $$ there, so the owner wants to keep them happy.

That's just the thing though, No one will listen to me. At all... The only hope I have at getting them banned would be to dominate OP events with them, not even giving anyone else a chance, and I don't have the ability to buy that many ships at once...

http://www.startrek.com/article/star-trek-attack-wings-wave-7-preview-enterprise-nx-01

Enterprise NX01

I have to say that it doesn't thrill, but that is ok. I am not a huge enterprise anyway. I was worried there would be something in the NX that was a must have, I am happy there isn't. Tucker is nice and so is the hull plating, the rest is kinda meh. I will probably pick one up but not right away. There is nomreal reason to get multiples unless you a huge Enterprise fan.

The only thing that irks me is that the feds get 2 admirals before Klingons & Romulans get 1 very disappointing there. Would it have been a catastrophe if the borg and Vulcans where pushed back and they releases the Scimitar & Chang's BoP instead. I don't think so, but no we have to wait until October.

Anyone know where I can score 2 Borg Spheres, 2 Tac Cubes, and 2 Soongs for less than Retail?

Miniature market usually has attack wing stuff for 30% below retail.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Miniature market usually has attack wing stuff for 30% below retail.

Miniature Market is actually out of stock of Borg Spheres...

That sucks. Keep checking though. I have noticed they restock pretty fast. The only thin I see they are consistently out of is Tie Interceptors for XW, but everyone is out of those.

From reports, the Gencon cloaked ships and DS9 cards special releases seems to have devolved into farce.


And the horrifically overpriced ships are now appearing on ebay.

I believe the problem stemmed from the fact that special badges got people in before the general public and there was no limit on the number people could buy. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I heard it went down.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
I believe the problem stemmed from the fact that special badges got people in before the general public and there was no limit on the number people could buy. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I heard it went down.

It's worse than that too, a user on Facebook was injured and had his watch broken when he was thrown into a door in the Wizkids line...

Plastic is cheap, people are not... It's not worth it... It seems that a lot of people at Gen con are the worst people in the gaming community..

Yeah I have been reading about that. At my local store just about everyone is great, but some of the people online (BGG especially) make the community very hostile. I think the whole exclusiveness to the OP prizes and now the Con only cards is fueling this. Some folks I know warned me about this kind of stuff from WK when I first started. Judging by how quick the were to handle things like the extra minefield token in the Gal Gathong I thought things had changed since my friends delt with them. However this whole mess is not good PR.

I am not going to loose my head or rage quite, because I see them putting something in the retail DS9. I never got a GenKhan and I will live with out these. I do worry about it turning people off to the game and the good part of the community dropping off.

I heard from another user that after he got the DS9 cards, the organizers of the tournaments there told him he'd have to wait til November for the Retail release to use them... That kind of confirms the cards are going to be released in November...

Also, they're giving them to folk buying the new DS9 (which has Dominion symbol and a 45 degree movement arc, btw).

So, here's some good news.

"
Sorry to be brief,

When demand far outstrips supply we do tend to make product that was first released at a convention available in some additional form at a later date.

For those that aren’t aware the following are planned to be available at the forthcoming WizKids opens http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/open.php.


Top 4
• Star Trek: Attack Wing Khan Promo Card
Top 8
• Star Trek: Attack Wing Cloaked Ship Pack
Top 16 (if applicable)
• Star Trek: Attack Wing Deep Space Nine Upgrade Card pack
Prizing after Swiss Rounds
• All players with 2 wins (who did not make cut to Top 16): 2 random cards from Deep Space Nine Upgrade Card pack
• All players with 1 win: 1 random card from Deep Space Nine Card Upgrade Card pack Card
• Red Shirt Prize (8 awarded)— All players with 0 wins: 1 random card from Deep Space Nine Card Upgrade Card pack Card
* Prize Structure subject to change.

We understand not everyone is near these venues (particularly our international customers). With the significant excitement and demand for the Deep Space Nine Upgrade Card pack we are also planning at making the pack included in a future retail sku.

Thank you for your support, we do appreciate it.

Bryan
VP WizKids"

How many of you repaint your Attack Wing minis? On a side not, how many convert and make their own unique Star Ships?

Repaint yes, build no - this is my relaxing bit of p&m!

Davor wrote:
How many of you repaint your Attack Wing minis? On a side not, how many convert and make their own unique Star Ships?

I'm still in the planning stages and pondering upscaling many of the larger ships, my principal issue is the D'Deridex size, but the Dominion Battleship also gives me heartburn. I may well use furuta/eaglemoss for the big boats, micromachine/attack wing for the voyager/ktinga/galor middle size and shapeways for little things like b'rel, defiance, scarabs etc.

I've done some lazy washes on some ships, full repaints on others.



Druchii Violet Shade over the Jem Hadar Ships
Coelia Greenshade err shade over the D'deridex.
Agrax Earthshade over the Cardassians and Breen. - Except the Keldon on the left, I used Seraphim Sepia for that. - Agrax looked FAR better.




Coelia Greenshade on all the Klingon ships, except the one on the top left. I'm trying to decide whether I want to repaint this one grey entirely, as it IS supposed to be a D7, as opposed to a K'tinga class.



The Defiant and Excelsior have had a Nuln Oil wash over them.

The Tinyprise was standard GW Gray's > White, except instead of using proper white at the end, I used Pallid Wych Flesh, with some light white drybrushing.

The Enterprise-D, Equinox and Voyager started with drybrushed Shadow/Fenrisian Grey, then drybrushed Blue Horror and the old Space Wolf Grey (there's no other colour like it now). I did another colour to the Enterprise-D but I cannot figure out for the life of me which one it was... And I've been unable to replicate it with Voyager.

Davor wrote:
How many of you repaint your Attack Wing minis? On a side not, how many convert and make their own unique Star Ships?

I have made a few attack wing ships from hero clix ships, using extra bases. Though I haven't made any since the 2nd or 3rd month since the games was released. It is just easier to buy the ship than it is to scour ebay for the model, scan and print ship cards, ship tags, and make dials. It helped when there was less than a dozen ships but now its just too time consuming for me.

Though if you are interested in doing such a thin I recommend using a high quality photo paper for all the printing.

About the only other thing I have done lately is a few months back I replace all of my K'Tinga models with a tactics model so the look different from my D7s. This worked out well when it was revealed that the same model was being used as the B'Moth in the blind packs. Here are my K'Tingas, 2 are the blind pack B'Moth and the other 5 are from Tactics.


As for painting, I don't plan on redoing anything. I have tone of GW stuff to paint if I get the mood. I am one of the few people that is perfectly happy with them the way they are. I love the fact that all I have to do is open the pack and its ready to play.


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Oh I did repaint a micro machine Stargazer. I sub model in for a constitution class sometimes because it looks more Next Gen. I also picked up a micro machine Enterprise for TOS only because it looks cooler next to the Reliant and Klingon ships. However I don't use the model in OPs. The Wizkids model is better in OP environments because it never overhangs to bump other models.




This is a TOS only game I am working on typing up for a battle report. The micro machine model looks great, but in OPs when you have to pick things up every hour it gets clunky.

So, can anyone give me a quick rundown on EVERYTHING in the Borg Sphere pack? I need to know what upgrades there are, etc. building a new list for Collective OP2, probably gonna use a BTC and Sphere list.

Those are great painting there guys, thanks for sharing the pics.

I gave my Attack Wing Klingon fleet a second wash of Coelia Greenshade.



I'm thinking that the second wash matched the colours a bit more.
However, it's weight that the Negh'var is still looking so metallic-ey, I guess that's cause the panels are so large and flat.


I still dunno whether to bother repainting the D7 into a more traditional gray.

I say tie them all in with a paint job of the same colors to readily identify them as a fleet, rather than a skittles mix of different colors.

Basically you can say they all 'represent' K'tinga class vessels as the D7 would be half the size and without all the decoration on the wing.

Or just by a nice grey MM model of the D7, it even comes with the bridge molded on correctly, unlike the K'tinga...

The mocro machine D7 is nice looking, but it could get expensive if you want more that one. I have noticed micro machine prices have gone up a bit since Attack Wing came out. Another thing to look out for is that the micro machines are made of rubber not plastic. They can often warp from heat or pressure.

Ya, but that K'tinga's bridge drives me beyond crazy with the urge to scalpel it off and put it back properly...

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Ya, but that K'tinga's bridge drives me beyond crazy with the urge to scalpel it off and put it back properly...

Honestly it has never bothered me. I am a huge trek fan and Klingons are tied with Romulans as my favorite faction and I have never cared. The model still looks great on the table and you only notice it if you are looking right at the bridge. Once ships start moving and dice start rolling no one has ever said a word about it. I have 6 D7s and it looks awsome when they all hit the table, bridge and all.

I tend to side with mean green stompa on this one. I care about the ships more than any game.

However, I would love to have one of the sideways bridged ships just for giggles. I have some unpainted fleet captains K'tingas, and I will trade one or two of them for the same number of sideways bridged battle cruisers if anyone wants. Just send me a PM.

So, next year there's a ship with its' faction listed as "Cardassian Union"

Could we be...finally getting...Cardassians as their own faction?!?!? YIPPEE!!!!

Oh yeah, and ISS Enterprise (constitution) and ISS Avenger (NX Class) Looks like MIrror Universe Faction is gonna have some pretty nice stuff by next year!

I'm not crazy about a Cardie faction, not because it isn't fluff appropriate, but because it would be problematic in terms of everything that's gone before without complex faq'ing. Also, Assimilation Target Prime is Galaxy class Mirror Universe / Borg, and is a beast (comes with Riker as captain - terran empire symbol being used for any alternate timelines)

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Also, Assimilation Target Prime is Galaxy class Mirror Universe / Borg, and is a beast (comes with Riker as captain - terran empire symbol being used for any alternate timelines)

Which is totally bizarre as it was a total shed in the series, our ent D one-shotted it when it attacked the shuttle. Also, it's Captain Riker was a wild eyed loony tunes.




Question for the class.

I'm still planning on building my fleets, being held back by wanting to work out a single scale to work with and collect for, I had been casting my eye about for a larger scale D'Deridex but am now contemplating a wholly larger scale using the furuta galaxy and nebula as the standard and perhaps bringing in the hallmark D'deridex and using 2x2 bases for everything galaxy upwards, making the smaller ships. Will this work or be unplayable? (I'll keep original models and bases for nonfriendly games). If I go with the galaxy as the 'set standard vessel' and use the furuta version, that's in the region of 1/5000-6000. Figure I can source a few other ships from shapeways at that scale. Or should I keep the galaxy and it's size bracket cousins at the game's model size and source even smaller ships for the smaller sizes, maintaining the current sized bases and thereby not tamper with gameplay?

I would use galaxy as your base mini, tbh. But warbird scaled to that would be glorious!

 inmygravenimage wrote:
I would use galaxy as your base mini, tbh. But warbird scaled to that would be glorious!

You mean keep the AW galaxy as the basis?

So source smaller scale ships and bigger D'deridex.

^ That. For example, the constitution enterprise is close in relative scale to galaxy. It's a thought.

 inmygravenimage wrote:
^ That. For example, the constitution enterprise is close in relative scale to galaxy. It's a thought.

Agreed, I guess although I'd like to actually up the scale on the 'galaxy range' ships (nebula, vor'cha, sov, valdore, etc) and have the midfield stuff at attack range size, I guess that would mean my fleet would be vast and unwieldy compared to anyone else's I might meet. So you're right, I'll just downsize the other ships via shapeways. Seek me out some really small scarabs, b'rel, defiant etc.

So, this is a bit off-topic, what does everyone think about the upcoming indie film "Star Trek: Axanar?"

They've got a kickstarter page ending in a little under 14 hours.

Really keen to see it actually, it's got a great cast and some tasty looking CGI.

The arms race to the constitution and the D7 has been made to look really interesting.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Really keen to see it actually, it's got a great cast and some tasty looking CGI.

The arms race to the constitution and the D7 has been made to look really interesting.

It's definitely a lot more entertaining even at this stage than the JJ Abrams films. I'm even backing it, and plan to donate more once the backerkit opens up.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, this is a bit off-topic, what does everyone think about the upcoming indie film "Star Trek: Axanar?"

They've got a kickstarter page ending in a little under 14 hours.

It's the best Star Trek since DS9 went off the air. If they only produced Prelude to Axanar, I would be satisfied, but they might give us a whole film, which is crazy. And it looks so beautiful!

The film is sure to create interest in certain scenarios. I wonder what the Ares, Ajax and D6s would look like as models. I want those ships... Does anyone know if FASA still makes them, or whether Wizkids might have the rights to them through CBS?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, this is a bit off-topic, what does everyone think about the upcoming indie film "Star Trek: Axanar?"

They've got a kickstarter page ending in a little under 14 hours.

It's the best Star Trek since DS9 went off the air. If they only produced Prelude to Axanar, I would be satisfied, but they might give us a whole film, which is crazy. And it looks so beautiful!

The film is sure to create interest in certain scenarios. I wonder what the Ares, Ajax and D6s would look like as models. I want those ships... Does anyone know if FASA still makes them, or whether Wizkids might have the rights to them through CBS?

2nd that, truly better than any Trek since end of DS9. The 20 min Prelude was amazing

I don't know if we would ever see them in attack wing though. From what Andrew Parks said last year Wizkids only has rights to the movies and TV shows. Now that could have changed. Though if CBS gets off their bums and backs Axanar then that would open up a whole new realm of possibilities

I kinda felt I had to give in a bit to catch up, as so many people seem to be gathering them...

I bought the Flagship cards from ebay for £8. - That hurt a lot, however, they look like they're going to be pretty important for an upcoming campaign.

I also just bought a box Hideki Fighters and Federation Fighters for a total of £20. - At £10 each, that seems a fairish deal, but I dunno.

I've got to admit, I'm not massively pleased with myself for falling for this whole thing.

WizKids fans actually injured a woman at GenCon in the mad rush to get con exclusives, like the cloaked ships set. Considering how much money and trouble went into procuring a set of those ships, the 200 USD ebay price does not seem terrible. I waited for three and a half hours on Saturday morning to get into the dealer hall and actually managed to get into the line at the booth. After only 10-15 minutes in line, however, they announced all the cloaked ships were gone.

I also saw the oversized Borg cube, which looks pretty fearsome. If I played this game, I would have no trouble spending the money to get it.

Finally -- I got in a demo of D&D Attack Wing. The game seems very interesting and I think it could be a big hit. In light of it coming out, I am trying to lobby the Powers That Be to open an Attack Wing sub-forum to cover both games.

 Manchu wrote:
WizKids fans actually injured a woman at GenCon in the mad rush to get con exclusives, like the cloaked ships set. Considering how much money and trouble went into procuring a set of those ships, the 200 USD ebay price does not seem terrible. I waited for three and a half hours on Saturday morning to get into the dealer hall and actually managed to get into the line at the booth. After only 10-15 minutes in line, however, they announced all the cloaked ships were gone.

I also saw the oversized Borg cube, which looks pretty fearsome. If I played this game, I would have no trouble spending the money to get it.

Finally -- I got in a demo of D&D Attack Wing. The game seems very interesting and I think it could be a big hit. In light of it coming out, I am trying to lobby the Powers That Be to open an Attack Wing sub-forum to cover both games.

I have read a lot of horror stories about the Gencon debacle. However there are some great people in the community. Thanks for the support we would love a dedicated sub forum and would gladly share with anyone playing D&D Wing.

 Manchu wrote:


Finally -- I got in a demo of D&D Attack Wing. The game seems very interesting and I think it could be a big hit. In light of it coming out, I am trying to lobby the Powers That Be to open an Attack Wing sub-forum to cover both games.

That would be great, feels a little cramped in these two threads for the various Q&A, modelling, battle reports etc. It may only be a few of us atm, but I think this is growing at a steady rate.

So, thinking about converting my own U.S.S Ares (Ares Class) but... I really don't wanna use the Tiny-prise as a base, plus, I don't wanna go buy another tiny-prise...lol.

Any suggestions that are..cost effective?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, thinking about converting my own U.S.S Ares (Ares Class) but... I really don't wanna use the Tiny-prise as a base, plus, I don't wanna go buy another tiny-prise...lol.

Any suggestions that are..cost effective?

for the price of one tinyprise.


I made these guys years ago, but I remember the kit being very easy to work with.

 Manchu wrote:
WizKids fans actually injured a woman at GenCon in the mad rush to get con exclusives, like the cloaked ships set. Considering how much money and trouble went into procuring a set of those ships, the 200 USD ebay price does not seem terrible. I waited for three and a half hours on Saturday morning to get into the dealer hall and actually managed to get into the line at the booth. After only 10-15 minutes in line, however, they announced all the cloaked ships were gone.

I also saw the oversized Borg cube, which looks pretty fearsome. If I played this game, I would have no trouble spending the money to get it.

Finally -- I got in a demo of D&D Attack Wing. The game seems very interesting and I think it could be a big hit. In light of it coming out, I am trying to lobby the Powers That Be to open an Attack Wing sub-forum to cover both games.

Don't forget that this same crowd wouldn't allow a child to move either, until the parent had to actually yell for people to STOP so the kid can get out. Thank God, the woman and child were ok.

Pretty shameful for anyone to act like that. Don't need to hear that children shouldn't be at the event. This is suppose to be for plastic toys. It's ok to act like animals for plastic toys?

Shameful. How grown people can act like this.

Davor wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
WizKids fans actually injured a woman at GenCon in the mad rush to get con exclusives, like the cloaked ships set. Considering how much money and trouble went into procuring a set of those ships, the 200 USD ebay price does not seem terrible. I waited for three and a half hours on Saturday morning to get into the dealer hall and actually managed to get into the line at the booth. After only 10-15 minutes in line, however, they announced all the cloaked ships were gone.

I also saw the oversized Borg cube, which looks pretty fearsome. If I played this game, I would have no trouble spending the money to get it.

Finally -- I got in a demo of D&D Attack Wing. The game seems very interesting and I think it could be a big hit. In light of it coming out, I am trying to lobby the Powers That Be to open an Attack Wing sub-forum to cover both games.

Don't forget that this same crowd wouldn't allow a child to move either, until the parent had to actually yell for people to STOP so the kid can get out. Thank God, the woman and child were ok.

Pretty shameful for anyone to act like that. Don't need to hear that children shouldn't be at the event. This is suppose to be for plastic toys. It's ok to act like animals for plastic toys?

Shameful. How grown people can act like this.

Yeah, the whole thing is shameful.

Bobtheinquisitor, I'm actually looking for something in AW scale, seeing as how the Ares class is smaller than the Constitution, :(

Oh. I misinterpreted your use of 'tinyprise' then. I don't know any cheaper options that small, unless you can find a cheap micromachine mini. I suppose you could try to cut up an oberth mini to have a small saucer, remove the nacelles and replace them with tubes/nx nacelles, then shave down and reposition the engineering hull... Or tinyprise.

It's a shame they stopped selling those micromachines keychains. I got a JJprise for $2 back in 2010 or so, as well as a TOS D7.

Anyone know what's going on with the Defiant?

It seems to be sold out everywhere and the price on ebay went off the chart.

Last I heard, they've pretty much stopped production of Defiant models for the time being as they're stocking up on them for the 'Mirror Universe' Defiant out in the not too distant future.

I haven't seen very much of waves 0-2 on the shelves lately. Its been months since I have seen a Valdor at any of my stores.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
I haven't seen very much of waves 0-2 on the shelves lately. Its been months since I have seen a Valdor at any of my stores.

Just picked one up two weeks ago. Went back a few days ago and their supply of Attack Wing is down to 2 ships. Not sure if they will be getting more or not.

So new ships come out Wednesday, NX class, Surok class,, and scout cube. So I feel like this wave is a little blah. I will probably pick up one of each eventually but I don't think I will be running out right away for this wave. I want the Vulcan ship, but that is mostly to finish a fleet. A buddy of mine wants tomstart playing and he really likes Vulcans. The other 2 ships are really kind a meh. Each has a few nice upgrades, but they are missing the "WOW I really want to play that ship" factor.

October is a little more exciting with the Enterprise E coming out. However November is what I am waiting for, Chang's BoP & the Scimitar.

Anyone else feel like wave 7 is under whelming?

Personally, I'm sulking as the Dominion don't get anything till April at the earliest :(

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Personally, I'm sulking as the Dominion don't get anything till April at the earliest :(

I know how you feel its June or July for my poor Ferengi to see any reinforcements It is really crappie that they have to wait a year and a half for a retail ship, especially when Vulcans were added out of the blue.

I'm very keen to see what the scimitar brings and if it'll be the borg killer I'm hoping for...


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Also, our ST:AW threads and the potential for a forum spot is a discussion here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/610862.page

You should all stop by and provide input, I think both the Admins and Mods are looking for our thoughts on the subject.

I'd personally really like the opportunity to have a forum and post threads about this game, people posting in these threads gets lost far too easily.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Also, our ST:AW threads and the potential for a forum spot is a discussion here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/610862.page

You should all stop by and provide input, I think both the Admins and Mods are looking for our thoughts on the subject.

I posted my 2 cents, I hope it helps. It is getting crowded in these 2 threads.

Well, end result is we got unstickied and set adrift in the misc miniature games, with the freedom to post individual posts but with, I think, a heavy dilution from all the other games here. I'm far from convinced this is good for the STAW players on dakka. I hope this isn't the final outcome and keep my fingers crossed for a forum section for our own game or a WK whole forum, combined with heroclix and DnDAW, that seems viable to me.

Well, that's unsettling, I actually rather liked being in a well known and easy to find location... now I have to look for this thread.


:/ This does not make me happy.

It is an old mod's proverb that revenge is a dish best served cold. It is very cold in Misc. Miniature Games

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
This does not make me happy.

There's one in every group. :/

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It is very cold in Misc. Miniature Games

On now be honest with me Bob, poster to poster. You prefer it this way, as it was meant to be, don't you? No stickied thread in our time. Once more dear friends into Misc. Miniature Games.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Well, that's unsettling, I actually rather liked being in a well known and easy to find location... now I have to look for this thread.


:/ This does not make me happy.

We have many threads now, we can post a thread about something and have it actually get plenty of replies instead of a question in the megathread which was immediately trodden down by people answering the previous poster's question.

If we establish there is sufficient traffic and of a decent quality, who knows, Yakface has said the future for the game's status is up in the air atm, we may yet receive a forum or subforum of our own.

Post more, post quality, build towards a brighter future.