All discussion of Attack Wing releases and events goes here.

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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/550107.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558438.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558272.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/554060.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/551369.page

Hi Manchu,

While it's still early days for the game, I'd hope that consideration will be made for the possibility of an Attack Wing sub-forum to ensure the non-clogging of the x-wing forum, and discussions of multiple topics without having to search through two potentially huge threads. There is definitely interest here, and I'd like to see the community for Attack Wing grow on Dakka as it has on other forums.

Thanks in advance

An Attack Wing sub-forum is definitely a possibility. The current issue is there are a lot more Attack Wing threads than participants. This was also initially true of X-Wing, which only got a sub-forum a long while after the product line was released, when we could see it generated sustainable interest over a significant amount of Dakka members. While the quality of Attack Wing discussion is already very high on Dakka, it's a bit diffuse given that less than ten members regularly post on the topic. By concentrating it in two stickied threads, I hope to not only free up the X-Wing subforum but also demonstrate growing, sustainable interest so we can eventually get the game its own sub-forum going.

Fair enough.

Oh.. well my post didn't really fit in either this or the battle report thread.. and having every conversation on the subject in a single thread is going to make it more or less impossible to have any kind of coherent discussion without replies becoming confused. I guess I'll just stick to A few manouvers and BGG for attack wing talk. :(

Via con Dios. As you can see there is no current convo in this thread, other than this board meta chat, so I doubt there would be much confusion. And even if all ten posters who talk about Attack Wing on Dakka were active in this thread ... well, I still doubt there would be much confusion. See above for our thinking on this matter.

I figure that until we get some indication of the new ships coming in December, there won't really be much to discuss in this thread.

This thread is intended for anything less specific than tactical questions/advice and batreps. Possible topics include product quality, proxy models/modeling, rules questions, proposed rules, accessories, etc. I have updated the title to clarify.

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I figure that until we get some indication of the new ships coming in December, there won't really be much to discuss in this thread.

Actually, Slated for December release are

Excelsior
a Romulan Scout Variant
A Variation on the Galor Class
And... The Klingon Bird of Prey (Which is REALLY tiny...)

EDIT: Wait, that doesn't seem right, looks like 4th Wing Attack Ship is in the wave AFTER the Excelsior and co. comes out.

I wonder if they'll update the paint scheme on the Galor variant. The first wave Galor was way too dark, IMO.

Also not happy that the BoP will be really tiny. What an odd choice with a giant Defiant.

 Manchu wrote:
I wonder if they'll update the paint scheme on the Galor variant. The first wave Galor was way too dark, IMO.

Also not happy that the BoP will be really tiny. What an odd choice with a giant Defiant.

The cardassian ship is the keldon class, judging from the heroclix version it will be the same paint scheme as tha galor.

Wizkids only has one BoP model in their heroclix line with different paint schemes so I think it is a safe bet that the December release (kavort class) will be the same model as the OP2 prize (B'Rel class) just with different stats.

None of this bothers me, I think the wizkids models look awsome and I don't have to paint them

I did some simple coat and dry brush work on mine and they turned out awesome i'll try to load a few pics up tonite if i can remember. for 6 ship it took me less than an hour to complete and they look great.

I'm currently going to try to get a heroclix BoP So i can use it as a B'riel class, and all i need to do is get my hands on some high res scans of the cards to print out

not a fan of all these romulan scout variants! already have 1 lol.

I want to see a few more federation ships along with the dominion battle cruiser!

Everything I've seen suggests that the BOP will be the same size as the OP2 prize. Where are we getting the info on the tiny BOP?

I wouldn't mind a tiny BOP actually, since I'd rather have them in scale.

I'd say they probably won't be updating the paint scheme on any of the re-released ships. But the ship being released is NOT a Galor variant. I can't find the release names right now, but I was under the impression that the new cardassian ship is the very large battlecruiser... but I could be wrong.

The info I have for releases is:

December (Wave 2)
USS Excelsior
IKS Koraga (Klingon BoP)
RIS Vo (Romulan Scout)
Koranak (Cardassian Keldon Class)

February (Wave 3)
USS Equinox
IKS Somraw
IRW Gal Gath'thong
4th Division Battleship

April (Wave 4)
USS Voyager
Kazon Raider
Species 8472 Bioship
Borg Sphere

OP Prizes
Nov - D'deridex
Dec/Jan - USS Sutherland
Feb - Breen Battloe Cruiser
Mar - DS9

Thanks for posting that up. I was googling it earlier but couldn't find it.

I just purchased the core set and my first ships for this game and was doing a bit of list building last night and have a question regarding the 1 point extra for non-faction upgrades. For example, I plan to put Picard on the named Vor'cha and know that he costs 1 point extra for not being a Klingon. I want to put Attack Pattern Omega on him. My question is do I have to pay the extra point for having a Fed upgrade on a Klingon ship or not pay because it's being attached to a Fed captain?

If your faction is Klingon, any non-Klingon upgrades cost extra. Even though you're attaching a Federation upgrade to a Federation Captain, neither of them are Klingon and will cost one extra point each.

So, yes, you pay the extra point.

The ship's faction is the determining factor. If the ship's faction is Klingon, then all non Klingon upgrades cost 1 more pt.

Ok so there are some rumors floating around on Boardgamegeek about the Sutherland OP4 prize. So far the guy seems legit his rumors on the OP3 warbird were confirmed by a video on YouTube.

So he says that the Sutherland captain is Data, as we suspected. Suposedly captain skill 4, with an action ability to turn all cloak tokens to red for enemy ships range 1-3.

I am not sure I see much benefit in this ability. If the ship cloaked the previous turn it is still considered fully cloaked until the end ofthe round. So it can't be target locked and gets to roll its extra dice. If they cloaked this round they could already be target locked.


The only real benefit to this I see is those klingons/valdors that want to fly past and cloak and come about the next turn. He could screw with things like the praetus which could take damage if it has to recloak and advaced weapons system.

If this is true I don't think captain Data will be all that good. Most cloaking fleets I see are using high captain skills so they can move after Data. So I would see them haning back out of his effect range them move up and shoot him out of the sky.

What are everyone else's thoughts?

I also read that rumour. You'll be able to get target locks on cloaked ships for an action. It's not broken at all. I'm also coming around on the cloaked mines not being amazing either. I've also been reading that some people think that Barrage of fire is overpowered. I took a look at it and said meh. I'd imagine that the'll errata it to say that only the owning captain's tokens can effect the roll, and then it'll be even more meh than it is now.

The overpowered upgrades are the efficient upgrades, not the one use, completely dice dependant, swingy ones.

If the ship was cloaked the turn before Data does his ability then they can't be target locked. IIRC they rules just say as long as the ship has hadthe token for a full turn it can not be locked, but ddoesn't specify what color it has to be.

I also am not over the moon for Barrage of Fire. There are too many ways to deal with it, Conditional surrender, Interphase Generator, Corbanite Maneuver, Verrel, stater set O'Brian.

Personally I was more excited about Defese Condition One. Putting Battle statioms on multiple ships for 1 action is awsome! Not to mention command tokens seem to be a muche better way to spend points.

Well, then there's less of a point to take Captain Data.

From what I read on BGG, Barrage of Fire only uses the printed attack cost- not modified costs.

I've got the same issue with defence condition one- one time use.

Now, the COMMAND TOKENS. HOLY. One per turn for four turns, and you don't use any on your first turn because you're too far away for them to be of any use. It's a great upgrade. Most games only last about 6-8 turns anyway, so those 5 pts will be utilized the vast majority of the game, and they can be used on any ship. They're really good.

If I am reading things right with BoF its 4 attacks, you add the neighbor ships primary attack value, however the ship that is using would still get its extra attacks from things like Gowron, Donatra or LE Martok.

Example, a B'Rel class has BoF (4), uses the primary weapon from a nearby Vorcha (5), and on a 3rd ship Gowron has used his ability (1). So with 2 ships that is 4+5+1=10 attacks going at one target.

However 2 ships are taking an auxiliary power token for this. But if you had the same 2 ships get buffed by Gowron without the use of BoF you get 4+1=5 and 5+1=6 for a total of 11 attacks.

Yes your opponent gets to roll twice but you get an extra attack and nobody takes an auxiliary power token, plus you save 5pts for something else.

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Honestly I think DEFENSE CONDITION ONE (DCO) is worth 5pts. The ability to give multiple ships battle stations for 1 action is both cool and useful. For klingons this is big because they only have one ship that can do battle stations, and unless your desperate the D7 is a pass anyway.

I thinks DCO is a much more effective use of points. I would really like to try this out in a bigger 150-200 point game.

I don't think it's worth the 5 pts in a three ship build. in a 6-7 ship 200 pt game, I'm sure it's worth 5 pts. I haven't started analyzing the game past 100pts. How does it play? I'd imagine it scales very well!

So far it has just benn theory past the 100 pt mark, except for 1 game I played 100 pt dominion vs 200 federation/klingon. Hopefully this week or next we will get a big game in.

I've got an analysis of Spock up on my blog (I'm going to need to format it to insert spaces into the paragraphs- not sure what I was thinking, and I can't format at work). I really think he's an amazing upgrade, priced just high enough that you won't see him in off faction builds. I'd love to see more upgrades like him. Interesting passive abilities are really good.

So, the Romulan Ship OP prize is pretty bonkers...

I actually like it. The ship has a cool ability as does the captain. I am very interested to see what else is in the pack. I just hope I can get one.

You guys like it? I suppose you could equip with a low skill captain, soak up some damage and then fire! But I'm not sold yet. I'd like to see the rest of the package.

The warbird can be used to great effect without cloaking all the time. Unlike klingons they have evade dice & shields to keep them fliying. Shields up it takes 10 hits to take down the Khazara. I would gladly pay 30 points each to hace two ships out there with 6 hull and 4 shields.

Two of those with hull plating will really frustrate the opponent. Last night a buddy and I play tested OP3 a few times. Game one I flew.

Khazara
toreth
hull plating
attack patterm omega

Warbird
donatra
hull plating
All forward disruptor banks

praetus
valdor
plasma torpedoes

he had
kraxon
terrel

5th wing
sar
suicide attack
Poloron beam

jem hadar fighter
gul ranor
suicide attack
poloron beam


Turn 1 he moved in on the planet to put more troops down, cloaked. Turn 2 he tried put more people downnon the planet with kraxon believing the planet would protect it. I flew past his jem hadar and hit kraxon with toreth with its shields down, crit and warp core breach. He put two hits on my praetus. Turn3 the kraxon tries to get into position to eject its core on the other side of the planet, but too late crit and it explodes. Praetus opens up with plasma torpedoes does 2 damage to a 5th wing., who then destroys the praetus.

The next 2-3 turns is him trying to catch the khazara with two jem hadar ships. Was able to use donatra in that time to load up the


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The planet with more troops and keep attacking it un till it was all mine. Khazara took out the cripples fighter. On the last turn Khazara and donarta's war bird caught the last jem hadar between them and it went down in flames.


Two war birds worked great. I only cloaked when he was at close range and the initial round. In the end donatra onlyn one damage and one shield left. Khazara had two shields left amd no damage.

Long story short Romulans are not klingons and do not need to cloak all the time. If you are you are wasting actions that can be better spent and wasting all those shields.

I would think that the maneuverability of the Warbird should allow you to get outside of firing arcs as well. The Warbird is REALLY good and I think is underappreciated in comparison to the Valdore. You weren't up against a Klingon Attack Build though. I'd be interested to hear how that list does against something more aggressive.

I too think it needs to be tested against more. Against klingons I would cloak more but for sensor echos to take away their shooting. I need to test them a little more before committing though. I am seeing more interest in dominion and federation in my area I think the romulans are great against them.

There is a chance I could get to 3 maybe 4 OP3s I would like to play romulans in at least 1 of them.

We played a 2nd game last night. I flew a klingon swarm. The ChTang and 3 birds of prey vs a staked enterprise D and a staked Khazara.

I'm working on an Engage Build. Both Captains will need to get out of firing arcs. Specifically, I want to combat against the growing tide of Klingon Attack Builds. Here's what I've got so far.

Enterprise D
Picard
Engage
Spock
Antimatter Mines
Uhura

Defiant
Captain Kirk
Engage
Corbomite maneuver
Cloaked Mines
Antimatter Mines

Enterprise D has Green 3- so you should be able to stay out of firing arcs with Engage, and Scan- drop mines. Picard then just has to keep maneuvering and staying out of arcs.

The Defiant does the same thing- if it gets hairy- drop the corbomite Maneuver. You could Cloaked Mines and then Antimatter Mines on the same turn.

5pts left over for a resource or something else- but I'd rather it be Command Tokens or the new Sideboard coming out- you could remove 5 pts of stuff (uhura etc) and have Sulu and other upgrades ready for when you need to close in and finish the fight. The whole point of the build is to keep these ships out of the firing arcs of the Klingons. You use the speed of the Enterprise and the maneuverability of the Defiant to get where you need to be to drop mines, use 360 phaser arcs etc., I think it could be good in the hands of a skilled player, but will have to work out the kinks. If there are other cards I should be looking at, let me know. The Defiant may not be the best ship for this build either- it may be the Valdore or Warbird- but I want the rear arc so that I can drop the Mines.- but I'd imagine that with Engage, you should be able to get a Warbird almost anywhere you want it to be- along with well timed sensor echos.

The other build would swap out the Antimatter mines on the defiant, the defiant and swap in the Named Warbird- 7 pts left over for some other upgrades.

That is an interesting idea. Are thinking this instead of klingons for OP3? Let us know how play testing goes.


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Romulan pilot card 4hat comes with new OP3 ship is cool
crew card. After you move discard to put a scan token next to your ship as a free action, AND make an additional green maneuver. For only 2 point and it is not unique. I would like to have 2-3 of these.

It goes against my "too many upgrades on one ship" rule. I'll let you know how it works out. That Romulan Pilot card is fantastic. It's such a great upgrade for 2 pts.

The ADDITIONAL WEAPONS ARRAY is nice. A great option for the praetus. I think all of the stuff in the set are good, hope I can get one.

So with all of the talk over BARRAGE OF FIRE I am suprised that MILES O'BRIAN is not finding his way into more lists. He is cheap and can be discarded to disable an upgrade on a cloaked ship up to range 3. If times right he could throw a big monkey wrench into someone's plan. Furthermore if paired with wayoun he can continue to give someone a bad day.

Any thoughts?

I know I'm butting into the middle of a discusion here, but only one discusion thread does that.

Is anyone else disappointed about kronos one using the same model as the D7? Just seems a real shame that in the first wave we get a repeated model.
I have no doubt that as long as this game is supported for long enough we will have to see a lot of repeats, a lot of races ships are very similar between some classes, its always going to happen. In the first wave and with only 4 Klingon ships currently avaliable, though? Felt a little cheated when I got the model in the flesh and couldn't see any differences.

Honestly it didn't really bother me at all. In the show the are painted the same. I also remember reading in some trek behind the scenes book that they used the same models for D7 & Kronos One. Kronos One was just painted different for the movie.

Also I don't really plan on using my D7 very much, probably going to use them as K'tinga class any way. Also remember that there are 3 or 4 different typs of birds of prey and they all look the same.

Yeah, that's fair do's.

Just wish they had gone for a really different ship shape. Even if they only swapped the 1st and 2rnd wave releases. Do the bird of prey first and then a repeat model in the second wave it wouldn't be quite so obvious with 4 different ships already in your fleet.

I also wish that they would have done a few things different with the models. I'd prefer for the smaller ships to be small bases and the larger ships- warbird, galaxy, Neg'Var to be large bases, but I understand that this would involve significant outlays in terms of cost to produce and time to manufacture- The game is good enough that I'd rather just have more options than blow your mind miniatures. I expect that as the community grows and purchases the ships that new sculpts will come down the road. It was a risky venture to begin with- new miniature games always are- and so I understand not wanting to throw money at new ships when their old ships are very serviceable.

X-Wing ships are nicer and better painted- but the range of ships available in Attack wing grows every three months- which is great for the game and will shift the meta more frequently, which is something I value.




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I'm also weary of organized play ships not being available for wide release, I expect that these ships will be made available down the road, but I can't imagine that much work going into playtesting and balancing only to have a handful of players benefit from the ships. The Ch'Tang would sell really well, so I'm not sure what they're thinking- but Wizkidz apparently has a track record of this kind of thing.

There are work arounds- such as allowing photocopied cards where the original is an OP prize- this levels out the playing field a bit.

Gordash wrote:
I also wish that they would have done a few things different with the models. I'd prefer for the smaller ships to be small bases and the larger ships- warbird, galaxy, Neg'Var to be large bases, but I understand that this would involve significant outlays in terms of cost to produce and time to manufacture- The game is good enough that I'd rather just have more options than blow your mind miniatures. I expect that as the community grows and purchases the ships that new sculpts will come down the road. It was a risky venture to begin with- new miniature games always are- and so I understand not wanting to throw money at new ships when their old ships are very serviceable.

X-Wing ships are nicer and better painted- but the range of ships available in Attack wing grows every three months- which is great for the game and will shift the meta more frequently, which is something I value.




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I'm also weary of organized play ships not being available for wide release, I expect that these ships will be made available down the road, but I can't imagine that much work going into playtesting and balancing only to have a handful of players benefit from the ships. The Ch'Tang would sell really well, so I'm not sure what they're thinking- but Wizkidz apparently has a track record of this kind of thing.

There are work arounds- such as allowing photocopied cards where the original is an OP prize- this levels out the playing field a bit.

I get where your coming from. My club got all over excited by x-wing, then being trekkies at heart, almost killed themselves with excitement when they heard about a star trek version. Few guys went mental with their credit cards. Then the models turned up in the post. . .

Personally I like the models, yes I have repainted my federation and my klingon ships but that's personal preference. I know one guy at club just posted his models straight back to where he bought them, a couple of other guys have had almost constant sulks about them, either the fact they aren't scaled properly or the paint jobs etc. Again, I don't mind. They aren't diecast collectors, showcase figures, they are wargame toys. I would prefer they had a little bit of a nod to scales, why make the enterprise prime so small but leave the defiant so massive? I've had to put up with abuse from a couple of other guys that my klingon ships aren't the right colour, I picked a dark green that I saw online, but again, these are my toys to play with. The green may not be exactly right but they aren't purple or blue or something completely wrong, so they can get over it.

I would also like the event ships to be general release and I hope they will be, but I understand if you win an event you deserve something good, and it won't be good if that special model you won is in the shops next month. The extra toys for attending make the events worth going to even if you aren't a top player.

ON the other hand keeping everything on the same base makes the game more simple to play and its simplicity is one of its strong points. My club won't play the millenium falcon in x-wing because they are convinced it over complicates the game or something. Not sure why, though.

Edit;

I love this game, why I over look the few issues it has. I prefer it to x-wing. . .

STOP WHAT YOUR DOING RIGHT NOW!!

Preview of the Koraga up on wizkids sight captains are worf & kern


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Ther is also a female crew member just like drex so now you can have 2 of them giving you battle stations.


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There is no picture of it but the text says it is coming with a KLINGON EM PULS,
it is a good day for the empire.

ZOMG. Alexander is crazy. Captain Worf is aggression done properly. It is a good day to die!


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I'm not sure on why its hull points are so high. These are supposed to be small ships aren't they?

It is nice to see the klingons getting some lower captains with really good abilities. Krell & Nu'Daq are ok but nothing to write home about. Chang is good if you build around him, and Gorkon is risky. Worf and Kurn both seem worth it.

Negvar, worf, drex oh yeah


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Also more cheap klingon captains are also going to mean less Donatra clones flying around and with more passive abilities like worf it is making the klingon swarm more playable.

Alexander would be nuts on the Enterprise with Picard- I'll have three actions per turn please and thank you.

Alexander's potential is huge and he is cheap. I think we will see him in a lot of lists. For 4 points I could see him on a romulan or dominion ship.


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with the generic kovort class coming in at 24 pts why would you really take Kronos One. Sure it has a defensive ability, but it is only at range 3. For the same price you get an extra hull on the kovort.


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It would be kinda fun to put Alexander on a ship with Mirok as captain. Take damage get a battle station, next round repair the damage. That could frustrate someone.

I dunno, I think the B'rel has more interesting cards than the K'vort.

Can't wait to see the Excelsior.

We've at least seen signs that there is no intention at this time to release the B'Rel cards outside of the OP prizes.

The cards from both have their use. I am all in favor of more variety. For a game that has only been out 3 months we are not really lacking in it. Though it would be better to see Donatra in fewer builds. But I already see a decline in the picard use around me so donatea will follow as things progress.

 whitehorn wrote:
I know I'm butting into the middle of a discusion here, but only one discusion thread does that.

Is anyone else disappointed about kronos one using the same model as the D7? Just seems a real shame that in the first wave we get a repeated model.
I have no doubt that as long as this game is supported for long enough we will have to see a lot of repeats, a lot of races ships are very similar between some classes, its always going to happen. In the first wave and with only 4 Klingon ships currently avaliable, though? Felt a little cheated when I got the model in the flesh and couldn't see any differences.

Are they using the same sculpts from the Star Trek Tactics Heroclix game? I haven't heard of any new sculpts.

Yeah as far as I am aware its just repackaged heroclix, although I thought I heard someone mention that there have been a couple of minor resculpts, but don't quote me on that one.

In February they will release the Gal Goth'Thong (romulan bird of prey from TOS). This is a brand new sculp for Atacck Wing, it has not been announced if it is comimg to heroclix. So they already have shown that there are new things in mind for the game.

Brand new sculpts for AW?? This could be very cool!

I hadn't heard that, but Baldrick is the resident breaking news guy for Attack Wing!

Always nice to hear a little love coming our way.
Keeps us hopeful for amazing new toys in the future.

There are several threads on Boardgamegeek about it, but check out one called "Star Trek Attack Wing Expansion Waves 1 through 3"

or just do a google search for attack wing wave 3 and you will find pics. Hopefully the model looks close to the picture because you can catch a little glimpse of the romulan bird desing on the bottom of the ship

But this sculpt has not been announced yet for clix so for now it is just something special for us attack wing fans. Hopefully it will come with the romulans first 8 or 9 skill captain.

Seen all the lists going up for op3 but what do you guys think this mission needs? What are you doing to tailor your fleets for this event? What are you looking for?
From what I've read having a 'spare' ship that can be used to attack the planet is a good idea, but the mission seems to be a bog standard game with a way of getting extra bonus campaign points rather than completely changing your gaming style like op2 did.

This is a little random, but I bought the RIW - Apnex the other day, and the front of the ship is glued on crooked... a looked at my friends Apnex and it looks completely fine.

Anyone know if Wizkids customer service will help me out?

I've never had any experience with Wizkids' customer service but I'd imagine that they'd help you out if you gave them a call. Could you not see the defect on the ship before you purchased it?

Gordash wrote:
I've never had any experience with Wizkids' customer service but I'd imagine that they'd help you out if you gave them a call. Could you not see the defect on the ship before you purchased it?

No, I couldn't, I have to ask the guys behind the counter for the ship, and I was distracted by payment at the time, Plus, I couldn't even see the defect through the packaging. (Really, had no reason to inspect it, never heard of this before.)

Also, anyone have a good model to replace the Charm-Bracelet enterprise with? Was looking for a Constitution-Refit model to use. lol

I know a guy at my shop has replaced it with a bigger ship. There's a guy on BGG with a scale thread that has replaced all of his ships with to scale ships- they look great. Try to track that down (I'd link to it, but I can't access BGG at work).

Gordash wrote:
I know a guy at my shop has replaced it with a bigger ship. There's a guy on BGG with a scale thread that has replaced all of his ships with to scale ships- they look great. Try to track that down (I'd link to it, but I can't access BGG at work).

Well, I was looking at the Star Trek: Fleet Captains models, and they look GREAT!

Question is, is there ANYWHERE I can buy single models??? I really don't want to burn 150+$ on a board game and expansion i'm never going to use (I plan on taking the ships off their bases and using them for attack wing. )

EDIT: I went on BGG, it's a confusing website, I can't really navigate that well, if you want to post a link later, I'll follow it.

Really want the Fleet Captains ships though, anyone know of anywhere I can buy Blank Attack Wing bases and the ship profiles (with firing arcs, stats, etc.) ?

I don't think you can buy blank bases- one of the OPs come with Bases though- might be OP3. I don't know how many you get though.

I'll post a link when possible.


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People are starting to post stuff at www.shapeways.com

I'm not sure how it works, but there you go. 1/5000 scale is probably about the size you want for any attack wing ship- anyone else want to chime in on scale? What's the rough scale of the Enterprise D from the base set?


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An example- http://www.shapeways.com/model/1316175/federation-defiant-1-5000.html?li=search-results&materialId=60

I had the little black bits from the dials missing from one of my ships and their replacement service sent me replacements a couple of days after telling them. So yeah, I've had a good experience with their customer service.
Just get in contact with them.

Gordash wrote:I don't think you can buy blank bases- one of the OPs come with Bases though- might be OP3. I don't know how many you get though.

I'll post a link when possible.


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People are starting to post stuff at www.shapeways.com

I'm not sure how it works, but there you go. 1/5000 scale is probably about the size you want for any attack wing ship- anyone else want to chime in on scale? What's the rough scale of the Enterprise D from the base set?


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An example- http://www.shapeways.com/model/1316175/federation-defiant-1-5000.html?li=search-results&materialId=60

Those look even less detailed than the attack wing models themselves though... ???

I'd prefer the Fleet Captains models over those. lol.

whitehorn wrote:I had the little black bits from the dials missing from one of my ships and their replacement service sent me replacements a couple of days after telling them. So yeah, I've had a good experience with their customer service.
Just get in contact with them.

Mind PMing me a way of getting in contact with them?

They're less detailed, but are to scale!

Gordash wrote:
They're less detailed, but are to scale!

Do you have a link to the BGG topic with the painted versions of them? I'd be interested in seeing a non-rendered image. lol

OP3 Event in Mukilteo, WA

November 14th ~6pm @ Phoenix Games and Gifts

http://phoenixgamesandgifts.com/

There will be an entry fee. Last one was around $6-$7

There is also free-play on Thursdays to have friendly games or test things out for the next OP event.

Hope to see you there!

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Gordash wrote:
I've never had any experience with Wizkids' customer service but I'd imagine that they'd help you out if you gave them a call. Could you not see the defect on the ship before you purchased it?

No, I couldn't, I have to ask the guys behind the counter for the ship, and I was distracted by payment at the time, Plus, I couldn't even see the defect through the packaging. (Really, had no reason to inspect it, never heard of this before.)

Also, anyone have a good model to replace the Charm-Bracelet enterprise with? Was looking for a Constitution-Refit model to use. lol

So, an update, got in contact with Customer service, they're shipping out a new Apnex model for me. just needed to take a picture of it for them.

Also, I inquired as to whether or not I could purchase empty bases and other game components separately. I'll report back with my findings.

Thanks for the update, PLHS. That's good news.

That is amazing news. Good to see a company with good customer services.

OK GUYS KORANOK PREVIEW IS UP!!

There is nothing to complain about here, the dominion is getting one hell of a ship.
named ship
5 attacks
1 evade
4 hull
3 shields

ship ability spend a scan token to attack 2 ships with -2 attack dice. Not bad for those pesky little science vessels.

Did I mention it has 5 attacks and BATTLE STATIONS on its action bar and a 180 degree arch, monstrous!

Gul Dukot is here with a captain skill of 7. I know we all wanted 8 but he has the ability to give your ship a free evade or battle station action. I will take a skill 7 for thar. Plus he has an elite talent.

The talent that comes in the set is CAPTURED INTELLIGENCE for 3 points discard and if you don't have an evade put one one your ship and roll an extra evade die each time you are attacked this round. Nice for 3 points.

There is also a 3 pt tech upgeade TETRYON EMISSIONS. Action, disable and roll 3 extra defense dice for the round each time you defend. Can we say good bye Sulu clones.


New dominion weapon DORSAL WEAPONS ARRAY. 3 pts action, disable, 3 dice, fire in 360 range 1-3. A good match to the enterprise D.

Gul Evek 2 pts skill 4 and reroll a blank when you defend. A nice 3rd captain I think.

As we all thought there is a dominion Cloaking Device as a tech upgrade, but unlike the federation one, it is 4 pts for ANY keldon class ship. So you could easily see two of these cloaking and a smaller ship in a 100 pt build.

BOHEEKA
a nice 2 pt crew that lets you convert a blank into a hit IF you have a battle station mext to your ship. With Gul Dukot it won't be that hard.


well guys the dominion is going to get a lot meaner next month. I say great, more variety of good ships is a better game and the Koranok fills a lot of holes for the dominion.

discuss!



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Almost forgot it is the first ship that can do a 4 Bank

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
OK GUYS KORANOK PREVIEW IS UP!!

There is nothing to complain about here, the dominion is getting one hell of a ship.
named ship
5 attacks
1 evade
4 hull
3 shields

ship ability spend a scan token to attack 2 ships with -2 attack dice. Not bad for those pesky little science vessels.

Did I mention it has 5 attacks and BATTLE STATIONS on its action bar and a 180 degree arch, monstrous!

Gul Dukot is here with a captain skill of 7. I know we all wanted 8 but he has the ability to give your ship a free evade or battle station action. I will take a skill 7 for thar. Plus he has an elite talent.

The talent that comes in the set is CAPTURED INTELLIGENCE for 3 points discard and if you don't have an evade put one one your ship and roll an extra evade die each time you are attacked this round. Nice for 3 points.

There is also a 3 pt tech upgeade TETRYON EMISSIONS. Action, disable and roll 3 extra defense dice for the round each time you defend. Can we say good bye Sulu clones.


New dominion weapon DORSAL WEAPONS ARRAY. 3 pts action, disable, 3 dice, fire in 360 range 1-3. A good match to the enterprise D.

Gul Evek 2 pts skill 4 and reroll a blank when you defend. A nice 3rd captain I think.

As we all thought there is a dominion Cloaking Device as a tech upgrade, but unlike the federation one, it is 4 pts for ANY keldon class ship. So you could easily see two of these cloaking and a smaller ship in a 100 pt build.

BOHEEKA
a nice 2 pt crew that lets you convert a blank into a hit IF you have a battle station mext to your ship. With Gul Dukot it won't be that hard.


well guys the dominion is going to get a lot meaner next month. I say great, more variety of good ships is a better game and the Koranok fills a lot of holes for the dominion.

discuss!



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Almost forgot it is the first ship that can do a 4 Bank

The only thing i'm disappointed about is that it's a Dominion ship, which it wasn't in DS9, it was actually a ship modified with the help of the Tal'Shiar when they formed an alliance with the Obsidian Order to topple the Dominion. The PWB'Ajrmr is also part of this Coalition fleet.

This ship REALLY should've been the first Cardassian Aligned ship, not Dominion.

Even after the fleet was destroyed in the series, we didn't see Dominion ships cloaking, so why do they get a cloaking device now?

The cloak doesn't bother me it is there for theme, if you want to reenact that story arc and you have to pay for it. The ships mission card is part of that story.

Also Keldon class ships were part of the regular cardassian fleet before and after they joined the dominion. They were building them to replace the galor class ships. Just as the federation was building the sovereign class to replace the galaxy. It was an arms race between the two of them as they expected to be going to war with each other over the demilitarized zone and the maquis. However the war with the klingons caught the cardassians unprepared and production was halted. However it was resumed once they got help from the dominion. They just did not have as many due to the war interuption.

The reason all of the Obsidian Order ships were keldon class is because it was the newest and best desing the cardassians had plus with production going in the regular ship yards extra parts and hulls could easily be moved to the order's facility in the orias system and then covered up.

I get that, but seriously, the Dominion never had cloaks... You could have a named Dominion Keldon class, and a Named Cardassian Ship Koranak, but don't give the dominion a cloaking device, they never had the tech and the card is very out of place on a dominion ship. They could've just had the named Cardassian aligned ship have cloak and not have a cloaking device card period.

Now dominion is going to be extremely OP...

This is very exciting news, thanks Mr Baldrick! My dominion playing friend is going to be pumped


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I should add that this two of these plus one of the previous Cardassian ships will probably make a pretty potent fleet. Gul Dukat seems great, especially with the upgrades that come in the pack.

I've put my thoughts up on my blog. Gul Dukat is fantastic.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
I get that, but seriously, the Dominion never had cloaks... You could have a named Dominion Keldon class, and a Named Cardassian Ship Koranak, but don't give the dominion a cloaking device, they never had the tech and the card is very out of place on a dominion ship. They could've just had the named Cardassian aligned ship have cloak and not have a cloaking device card period.

Now dominion is going to be extremely OP...

it would have been nice to have the carsassians be their own faction, but they would only have 3 ships, keldon, galor, & hedeki. So the best place for them isnin the dominion. Now with the keldon expansion there is nothing stopping anyone from playing a cardassian pure list. I don't think the Dominion will be over powered. They if you put the cloak on even the generic that is 28 points and it will take 2 turns in most cases to re cloak after it fires. The defiant has the same type of cloak and I have only ever seen one person play with the federation cloak, and he did terrible. Its an action hemorrhage. The koranok will put the dominion on par with everyone else.


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 spyguyyoda wrote:
This is very exciting news, thanks Mr Baldrick! My dominion playing friend is going to be pumped


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I should add that this two of these plus one of the previous Cardassian ships will probably make a pretty potent fleet. Gul Dukat seems great, especially with the upgrades that come in the pack.

I am thinking 2 keldons and the gor portas with dukot.

Well, (and I could be getting my ships mixed up) I think that Gul Evek on the Kraxon with Tetryon emissions will be a good third ship because it can take the crits the cloaked ships would take on its shields. Since I've been almost exclusively been using ships that cloak, I seem to die to crits much faster than I do to regular hits.

I don't play dominion, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

If that is the rout you want, 2 keldon & kraxon I would say this:

24 keldon
5 dukot
2 boheeka
4 cloak
3 dorsal array

24 keldon
2 evek
4 claok


26 kraxon
3 mirok
3 tetryon emissions

100 total

kraxon can take the damage for the others, mirok can heal it. Both keldons can blast away to the front and Dukot can cover you back while turning around.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. I might drop the Dorsal Array for the named ship, but that would take some practical experience, I think.

So, i'm kind of having a bit of trouble transporting everything in the same container...

Anyone have any suggestions?

Mine are all in a small case with foam inserts, but i've seen tool boxes and normal stacking storage boxes used.

Use what ever makes you more comfortable.
Only thing I will say is that I've seen two different people break their enterprise A getting them out of the package they come in when they were using the original package for storage and transport purposes. The two arms are really thin - but do slot back in . . . Worth bearing in mind.

I've used a dollar store container with compartments and inserts for all of the non-ship accessories. I need to get a binder for the cards, and then I'm going to get another container for the ships.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
OK GUYS KORANOK PREVIEW IS UP!!

There is nothing to complain about here, the dominion is getting one hell of a ship.
named ship
5 attacks
1 evade
4 hull
3 shields

ship ability spend a scan token to attack 2 ships with -2 attack dice. Not bad for those pesky little science vessels.

Did I mention it has 5 attacks and BATTLE STATIONS on its action bar and a 180 degree arch, monstrous!

I'm seeing this and thinking finally a non-Fed ship for Khan.

Ok has it occurred to anyone else to put Khan from the Reliant set on a Keldon class yet. Imagine 5 attacks and 6 at range one with battle stations going to crits. Put Khan and Dukot in the same fleet

Oh my I might have to play dominion next month.

Very true. Khan's been getting very little love, but the Koranak is really great.

yes, yes but I was thinking of Khan and Weyoun, but I just noticed Dukot has an Elite slot; so throwing him on an Attack Ship w/ Suicide and Cheat Death sounds uber fun.

I like Dukat with Engage on a ship that has a 4 bank and a 180 degree arc- you can engage AND battlestations every turn. It's in the running for the second ship in my Engage Build. The greens aren't that great, but you wouldn't need to green every turn.


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Let me break some news for you guys:

http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2013/11/14/star-trek-attack-wing-organized-play-admirals-orders/

Gordash wrote:
I like Dukat with Engage on a ship that has a 4 bank and a 180 degree arc- you can engage AND battlestations every turn. It's in the running for the second ship in my Engage Build. The greens aren't that great, but you wouldn't need to green every turn.


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Let me break some news for you guys:

http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2013/11/14/star-trek-attack-wing-organized-play-admirals-orders/

Mmm, me likey the United Fleet Orders... Makes running pure lists better. Klingons have more points for upgrades now!!! For the Empire!!!

So, keeping faction specific allows 10 more points in lists?

 davou wrote:
So, keeping faction specific allows 10 more points in lists?

Yes, only with that Admiral Order card and only usable on upgrades (can't spend the points on a cheaper ship, etc.)

Still very broken... Thats free cloaked mines on my whole fleet

 davou wrote:
Still very broken... Thats free cloaked mines on my whole fleet

Only if you play Romulans... lol.

I plan on testing these soon, lol.

They need testing before I'd say that they are broken. I'd think 10 points is a bit much, though. The Strike Force doesn't seem that great- I'd probably rather still run Command Tokens with the left over 5 pts.

In Klingon Fleets, I don't see how adding 10 pts is really going to make the ships THAT much better. Adding in Cloaked Mines becomes a waste of points after a certain number- I haven't figured out that number yet but I think it's probably 3.

It might be a really good upgrade to the Dominion, though.

So what do you guys think of the Admiral's Orders listed on the wizkids site.

"http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2013/11/14/star-trek-attack-wing-organized-play-admirals-orders/"

Starting in January wizkids is going to release admirals order cards on the site for the OP event, the are not mandatory and up to the TO of the OP. Each month they will change and can be used with resources.

January's are up on the site

STRIKE FORCE:
5pts
must be a 2 ship build
1)once during each activation phase, one of your ships may make a free action listed on its bar.

2)during combat one noncloaked ship may roll an extra attack or defense die.

UNITED FORCE:
0pts
must run pure ships, not pure fleet.
1) you get 10 extra points for shipe pure upgrades

2) each round you get one free reroll ( even if it has already been rerolled)

3) cannot use side board to mix factions



In all I like them, really rewards you for playing to theme.

And I don't think the 10 pts are bonkos. I'll probably play a pure federation build, but I haven't looked at the OP4 scenario yet, so I don't know if it's going to be skewed towards one faction yet.

The Strike Force would go a long way in my two ship Engage Build. The Valdore with Toreth would be able to Cloak and Engage- or sensor echo out of arcs. HOLY.

The Enterprise would get 4-5 attacks with the 360 arc. That combined with Scan and Spock is going to be nuts as well. I just don't know if I can give up the United Force points.

Gordash wrote:
In Klingon Fleets, I don't see how adding 10 pts is really going to make the ships THAT much better.

Well with Klingons thats a free advances weapon system or the EM upgrade that prevents attack and disables shields, or just for laughs, Boarding Party on the Negh'Var

Advanced Weapons System would be great to finally throw into a Klingon Build. With the new expansion, you could fit in Alexander, drex and new drex as well!


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That being said, you wouldn't be able to fit in 4 Vorchas, which is a good thing. I like that you have to take upgrades and not use the points for ships. That tells me that they think a 4 Vorcha list would be too much.

Free 5 shot torpedoes on klingon birds of prey isn't shabby either. But I do like the idea od doubel drex and double advance weapons.

Lol... look at this list- That's 18 shots, with rerolls on two of the ships and advanced weapon systems. It could probably get better though.

Neg'Var 28
Gowron 4
Advanced Weapon System 5

Neg'Var 28
New Worf 3

Neg'Var 28
Martok 5
Advanced Weapon System 5
Drex 4


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If you bump those down to Vorchas, you get room for one more drex!

Hey Guys --
We are going to start the Dominion War at our FLGS soon. I want to play Dominion...any build ideas?
I own the Breen ship and am pickingup the Jem' Hadar ship this weekend. What should be my next purchase?

Gordash wrote:
Lol... look at this list- That's 18 shots, with rerolls on two of the ships and advanced weapon systems. It could probably get better though.

Neg'Var 28
Gowron 4
Advanced Weapon System 5

Neg'Var 28
New Worf 3

Neg'Var 28
Martok 5
Advanced Weapon System 5
Drex 4


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If you bump those down to Vorchas, you get room for one more drex!

That is basically the build I was planning once the Koraga comes out, minus the AWS, but if my stores allow the admiral cards that is it.

The Dominion's a tough build right now, but if you can wait a month, you'll have the Koranak and everything will be dandy.

United force will give my fleet one hell of a boost. I went for the extra ship rather than upgrades, seeing it as free extra attacks and hull points compared to most fleet builds.
I now have 10 points to spend on some fun toys.

Hmmmm what to add?

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Hey Guys --
We are going to start the Dominion War at our FLGS soon. I want to play Dominion...any build ideas?
I own the Breen ship and am pickingup the Jem' Hadar ship this weekend. What should be my next purchase?

Wait a month for the dominion, then bust them out. 2 Keldon class and a breen ship will do nicely after December.

whats coming out that i need to wait for ?

Koranok/keldon class comes out next month check out wizkids site for the preview, with pics.

 whitehorn wrote:
United force will give my fleet one hell of a boost. I went for the extra ship rather than upgrades, seeing it as free extra attacks and hull points compared to most fleet builds.
I now have 10 points to spend on some fun toys.

Hmmmm what to add?

But the order card says you can only use those points on upgrades. did you just use your deficit for upgrades in your normal list for another ship then use the 10 points for upgrades?

United Force will help out the Romulans as all of there stuff tend to be pricy for what it really is, and they are low on good captains. It's going to ne a long wait until February, when the Gal Gath'Thong comes out. Then look out, plasma torpedoes away!

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 whitehorn wrote:
United force will give my fleet one hell of a boost. I went for the extra ship rather than upgrades, seeing it as free extra attacks and hull points compared to most fleet builds.
I now have 10 points to spend on some fun toys.

Hmmmm what to add?

But the order card says you can only use those points on upgrades. did you just use your deficit for upgrades in your normal list for another ship then use the 10 points for upgrades?

The way I read the card is that you can have up to 100 points of ships then 10 of upgrades. Who can say that your 100 point exactly ship build with no paid for capts or upgrades isn't the fleet you normally use?
It might not be in the spirit of the card but it does seem to be allowed.

My fleet is 88 points of ship and 12 points of upgrade as it stands. Can use the extra 10 points on swapping ships around.

My reading concurs with 100pts of ships and 10pts of upgrades.

Of course before united force, you could still only have 100pts of ships, so you won't see 4 Vorcha/Neg'var lists. You can still only run the number of ships that you could previously, but you get some extra bonuses. You won't see completely broken builds- which would be 4 vorchas- but you'll see 4-5 small small ship builds get buffed.

Of course, in February they will switch it up, and those lists will have to be tweaked yet again.

The metagame for Attack Wing is a bit too fast, although from what I'm seeing, the OP environment is supposed to be more FUN than HARDCORE- which I appreciate.

Gordash wrote:
although from what I'm seeing, the OP environment is supposed to be more FUN than HARDCORE- which I appreciate.

Thats what i liked about the second op event, the orbital defence platforms changed everyone's playing style. All of a sudden those mega hard upgraded to the teeth 2 (maybe 3) ship fleets didn't look so scary when they were hiding over one side of the field. They just couldn't afford to take that turn of two of being shot at by the platforms which would have put them in the right position to get the winning strike in.
Doubt we will see another game that messes with your style of play that badly again but it was a laugh to play.


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Also have you guys noticed that the attack wing posts are now dominating the x-wing ones?

We seem to be building the bigger discussion base now

There's just more stuff happening in Attack Wing, as each month the whole game shifts. We're attracting new people too! In the last few weeks new people have been showing up to discuss issues. Also, I'm finding that Dakka is less "The Sky is Falling" than BGG.

Anyone know when we'll get the preview for the next wave this week?

Likely Wednesday.

Hey have any of you guys noticed that the OP3 prize warbird (d'deridex) is different than the one that comes in the started set?

The stats are the same but thr upgrade slots are different. The starter set has 1 tech, 1 weapon, and 3 crew on the Khazara. The generic has only 2 crew. Now the Aj'Rmr OP3 prize has 1 tech, 2 weapons, and 2 crew. The generic that comes in the prize pack has 1 tech, 2 weapons, and 1 crew. So there are 2 different generic warbirds out there.

The Khazara has the better ability, but if I was looking at a 2nd warbird or a ship for a 50pt build I would consider one of the OP warbirds. With
2 weapon slots it could take both photon & plasma torpedoes, which would make up for the low attack value on the warbird.

I'm not saying its game breaking or anything, but it is a nice bit of variety depending on the mission you play.

Well guys the romuland scout Vo has been leeked on BGG early. It is bad, really bad. Probably the first ship that is truly not worth buying. I will put it this way the praetus is better in terns of captain, stats, and extra cards. Enough said I think. Check it out on BGG. But all of the disappointment is not worth typing this late.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Well guys the romuland scout Vo has been leeked on BGG early. It is bad, really bad. Probably the first ship that is truly not worth buying. I will put it this way the praetus is better in terns of captain, stats, and extra cards. Enough said I think. Check it out on BGG. But all of the disappointment is not worth typing this late.

Damn, I guess they're gonna save the best for last, USS Excelsior!!!

The vo is a shame, but the bird of prey that's coming sounds very sweet.

Fingers crossed for the klingon then

The Vo is pretty terrible. The ship itself could find it's uses. With the right upgrades, you could bring it to 11 defense dice. There are potential scenarios where you need to keep a ship alive until the end, or if you need to transport something to a planet etc.,- this ship will be your go to runner. I won't buy it until:

A) those scenarios start popping up

or

B) there's an indication from Wizkids that ships will start being discontinued at some point. It's going to take a lot of shelf space to stock all the ships by the end of next year.

The upgrades are defensively based, so they aren't particularly impressive, and cost WAY too much to be used in a regular match. They could find their way onto Engage Builds as insurance, but there are currently cheaper, better, insurance policies.


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Would it be possible for someone to put up that picture on this thread? I expect that the Vo will get reviewed today on the wizkids website as well.

Not sure if this is the right thread or not but how are you guys transporting your ST:AW stuff?

Also, is there a thread showing any repainting on the ships? I am looking to repaint mine and wanted some inspiration.

You can find some repaint posts in the X-wing thread- show your fleets. Otherwise, I think there was a recent post up about attack wing repaints.

And I have been transporting the Attack Wing stuff in dollar store segment containers- go to the area where they have the tackleboxes and tool containers. They should have containers with compartments. I bought one for $4, and intend to buy another one to house my ships.

It really is a pity that WK decided to release the Vo instead of the Warbird variant. I think the Vo would have been a much better prize given its terribleness. As it stands, I'm really gunning for Romulan Pilot- I'd really like to get my hands on it to toss into my Engage Build.

There is a review of all of wave 2 on YouTube by tom vasel, excelsior included.

Excelsior
3 attacks
1 evade
5 hull
4 shields

Ability after you move if no enemies are within range 1 get scan as a free action.

Sulu is captain skill 6, yet another federation 6, with elite slot, and ability disable a crew to remove an enemy target lock from your ship. Really useful I just wish the designers would make more variety in the captain skill numbers, this makes four 6s for the federation.

Captain styles, skill 3, ability add another tech slot to your ship.

valtane, crew, if you scan reroll 2 attack dice, nice mini target lock, especially if the ship is getting a free scan.

Lojur, crew, disable him to prevent a weapon from being disabled, again nice a I believe we will be seeing more torpedoes being used in the next few months.

Positron beam, tech, discard to put an auxiliary power token on an enemy at range 1

transwarp drive, tech, if your ship reveals a 4 or 5 forward, , it may move 6 forward instead. Very useful I think. I think it was 3 points but it is tough to tell from the video.

The talent is not revealed so we will have to wait on that, but a nice addition for the federation.

I like Valtane. That's worth the price of admission. Did they review the movement dial?


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Transwarp could be VERY useful- especially since it allows you to change your movement- anything that gives you more control over the movement phase is fantastic. I'll be purchasing.

The dial is standard green 1,2 straight, soft 1 turn. White 4, soft 2, 3 turn. Red 2 back, hard 2, 3 turn. IIRC is is similar to the galor minus the 5 straight.


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Also transwarp is NOT unique so expect to see it on multiple ships.

That's too bad. I would have preferred a few more green maneuvers, but you can't win them all! It's a good ship that I'll be picking up. I'll also be picking up the Keldon and the Bird of Prey. Gonna pass on the Romulan ship.

So I just rewatched the video. Yup transwarp drive 3 pts, positron beam 2 pts, neither is unique. Also crewman Lojur is only 2 pts. So some nice cheap upgrades there.

personally I believe that torpedoes are going to become a bigger part of the game. Federation and romulan fleets are going to need the extra attacks against the larger klingon ships and with two new bad boys coming down the block for the dominion the need only increases. I am already starting to see it in my local meta. First month nobody had them, 2nd month a few, most non klingon fleets have at least one ship packing them.

Also torpedoes are now more of an option for the klingons with the kavort and b'rel having rear arcs. Now they can shoot you for 2 turns before coming about.

My issue with the Torps is that they need target locks, and so you have to wait for your first pass against cloaked ships- and not die.


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But the Excelsior has a Miranda like arc correct? I'd pay for torps on that thing.

Gordash wrote:
My issue with the Torps is that they need target locks, and so you have to wait for your first pass against cloaked ships- and not die.


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But the Excelsior has a Miranda like arc correct? I'd pay for torps on that thing.

tougher ships coming out with better arcs will increase the use. Also if federation and romulan bulds want any chance of taking out the 4th division ships torpedoes are the only chance. Plus people are going to want tne chance to one shot a keldon before ot opems up with 5 attacksand battle stations.

Which could also see the use of other stuff like Attack Pattern Omega.

I could see more use for it in the distant future. As it is right now I only see the federation and toreth getting much out of it. Otherwise its not really worth the faction cost.

With December's release and even more in February I could see more of a move towards pure faction builds. I am not totally sold on pure faction, but Lets face it by February there is really no excuse for it everyone has what they need. Plus the admirals orders are a silent nudge in that direction. Once you have pure faction bulds it will be tougher for picard and martok clones to shoot first all of the time. Without everyone having 9,8,6 (donatra) captains then torpedoes become more necessary.

So, I heard somewhere the Intrepid had been spoiled along with the 4th Division Battleship???

Can we get their stats, etc.? pics if possible?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, I heard somewhere the Intrepid had been spoiled along with the 4th Division Battleship???

Can we get their stats, etc.? pics if possible?

To my knowledge the intrepid/voyager has not been spoiled yet that is to come out in april. What we do know it the 4th division battle ship, romulan BoP from the original series, klingon somraw from enterprise series, and the nova class/uss equinox from a voyager episode.

the equinox has similar stats to the reliant with ability to regenerate shields. All 4 were shown on the inside cover of game trade magazine.

I like the Excelsior as a torpedo boat. I think the transwarp with Quantums could be a great combo. I dont think Engage will be particularly good with the ship, but I'm thinking something like...

Excelsior 26
Kirk 12
Attack Patter Omega
OTHER PILOT SKILL
Quantum Torpedoes 6
Transwarp 3

and an Engage Enterprise

could be pretty good... of course, I'd probably rather take Gul Dulkat for the battlestations. Also, Spock's ability may be more useful on the Excelsior than on the Enterprise, and I might switch him out to use the other scan dude from the excelsior pack.

Has anyone else's flgs had to cancel or move their op 3 event? My local event has been moved two weeks to allow the op pack to arrive.

Looks like attack wing is already starting to suffer from distribution problems.

One OP3 I went to had to cancel because the distributor sent them a Lord of the Rings heroclix OP kit by mistake. The other 3 I went to had no problems. One of the TO told me it is easy for the distributors to get them mixed up if they don't read the box carefully, because wizkids buts most of thier OP kits in similar boxes. Reading is important

Yeah, I don't know what exactly happened but this is what we were told:

Please note that due to a delay in the campaign packs being distributed we have had to postpone this event till the 8/12/13. All of you that have already booked your tickets we will transfer you over to the re-scheduled date.
The unique nature of the content of the game meant that we could not run it without the campaign pack.

Sad times

That's too bad. We've been fine so far in Toronto.

So far, we've been running smoothly at my LGS, although, we just finished Month 2, and only 3 people showed up.. :/

On an off-topic note, anyone know where I can reliably watch Star Trek DS9 episodes without having to have a subscription?

EDIT: So, anyone remember my ordeal with the crooked Apnex model???

Got the replacement today, same issue, I know they have models without crooked bridges, I've seen them...

Thats going to be a fun phone call to customer services.

Good luck

So I just watched a video on YouTube about the new flagship resource. They are pretty cool. Just search YouTube soe "star trek attack wing" posted in the past today and you will see it.

There is one for each faction plus 4 different independent flagships. Any ship can use the independent flagship, but only klingons can use the klingon flagship, romulans can only use the romulan etc. They are 10pts each and you DON'T pay the faction penalty formthe independent flagship.

Each one increases 3 out of 4 of the stats (attack, evade, hull, shields). Each one also has an ability that effects friendly ships around it. A big bonus is each flagship has an action listed on it. If your ship does not have the action on its bar it does now. However if the ship already has the action it may perform that action as a free action once per round

From memory I think the romulams had sensor echo, klingons had cloak, feds battle stations, and dominion scan. Most ships for these factions already have these. Imagine a flagship with Picard or Dukot is going to get 3 actions a turn. Talk about a game changer. Now all we have to do is find a way to cram this into our lists.

From reading the Excelsior Spoiler, it looks like the new ships drop next week... with my OP4 on December 9th, it looks like I'll have to work these new ships into my existing lists!

U.S.S Excelsior

http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2013/11/27/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-2-preview-the-u-s-s-excelsior/

That ship is a must buy for any federation fleets.

Yeah Excelsior is a good looking ship, either that or the D with the flagship upgrade will be beastly.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So far, we've been running smoothly at my LGS, although, we just finished Month 2, and only 3 people showed up.. :/

On an off-topic note, anyone know where I can reliably watch Star Trek DS9 episodes without having to have a subscription?

EDIT: So, anyone remember my ordeal with the crooked Apnex model???

Got the replacement today, same issue, I know they have models without crooked bridges, I've seen them...

There are a lot of Star Trek Tactics minis that are just borked. Besides the Apnex, the Enterprise-A is almost always screwed up. I have 4 or 5 of them, and not one that doesn't make me wince. I'm going to try hot water on them, because cutting and re-gluing didn't really work. The Nebula class always has problems, too. I think some of the minis are just too complicated to expect decent results from poorly-paid laborers who don't give a crap.

Let me know how your issue goes. I had to go through quite a bit of email and riposte with the customer service department before my minis were replaced, and most of the replacements had the same (or worse!) issues. They told me (I'm paraphrasing here) they more or less thought of the minis as game pieces only and were surprised that anyone gave a damn if the minis looked like chewed bubble gum. They seem to have only had experience with boardgamers, but for $15 per miniature I bet they'll start to get a lot more flack for their attitude towards wargamers.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So far, we've been running smoothly at my LGS, although, we just finished Month 2, and only 3 people showed up.. :/

On an off-topic note, anyone know where I can reliably watch Star Trek DS9 episodes without having to have a subscription?

EDIT: So, anyone remember my ordeal with the crooked Apnex model???

Got the replacement today, same issue, I know they have models without crooked bridges, I've seen them...

There are a lot of Star Trek Tactics minis that are just borked. Besides the Apnex, the Enterprise-A is almost always screwed up. I have 4 or 5 of them, and not one that doesn't make me wince. I'm going to try hot water on them, because cutting and re-gluing didn't really work. The Nebula class always has problems, too. I think some of the minis are just too complicated to expect decent results from poorly-paid laborers who don't give a crap.

Let me know how your issue goes. I had to go through quite a bit of email and riposte with the customer service department before my minis were replaced, and most of the replacements had the same (or worse!) issues. They told me (I'm paraphrasing here) they more or less thought of the minis as game pieces only and were surprised that anyone gave a damn if the minis looked like chewed bubble gum. They seem to have only had experience with boardgamers, but for $15 per miniature I bet they'll start to get a lot more flack for their attitude towards wargamers.

Yeah, I just bent the bridge back into place, surprisingly, it wasn't really glued, just a really tight fit...lol.

Idk, I kinda wanna buy Fleet Captains just for the Constitution class ship, it looks good from what I've seen.

Do you mean the refit constitution? The non-refit is not included in Fleet Captains. And the refit Connie is one of the worst minis for quality control failures. It's the exact same model from the Star Trek tactics line, just unpainted.

If you just want a good Constitution class ship, I recommend this model kit. The connie is about twice as long as the Fleet Captains version, but should still fit on the same stand and not look too out of place considering the uneven scale and large 'hero' ships.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Do you mean the refit constitution? The non-refit is not included in Fleet Captains. And the refit Connie is one of the worst minis for quality control failures. It's the exact same model from the Star Trek tactics line, just unpainted.

If you just want a good Constitution class ship, I recommend this model kit. The connie is about twice as long as the Fleet Captains version, but should still fit on the same stand and not look too out of place considering the uneven scale and large 'hero' ships.

No, that ship is quite a bit too large for what I was looking for, I was looking for something to match scale with Reliant.

Guess I should bite the bullet and buy the Ent-A from Tactics...

Well, there's this kit.

Or you can get the tactics version. The Reliant does seem to be one of the better minis for quality in the Tactics/Fleet Captains line.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, there's this kit.

Or you can get the tactics version. The Reliant does seem to be one of the better minis for quality in the Tactics/Fleet Captains line.

Yeah, except everywhere I've seen is Out of Stock on the Tactics Enterprise A model... know where I can find one? There are none on ebay as well...

How about this one. I think it is a little larger than the Reliant, but a better match than the Attack Wing one;

http://store.starfleetstore.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=0204&Category_Code=

I've located a suitable model to replace the Enterprise with, now I just need to get the cash. lol

Now I'm curious which one you're going with.

If you really have trouble, I do have an "extra" unpainted Fleet Captains version just waiting for a trade away.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now I'm curious which one you're going with.

If you really have trouble, I do have an "extra" unpainted Fleet Captains version just waiting for a trade away.

I was going with the Heroclix Tactics version, but if you're interested in working something out, PM me.

So, anyone have a clue what they're going to do for the mirror universe stuff?

Wouldn't they just repaint the models a darker color and add the dagger emblem?


What I really want to see is an Akira class ship.

I know, I want to see it too, as far as I know, they haven't done an Akira class in Heroclix either. lol, they did the Saber Class, but no Akira....

Honestly, I'd love to see in Attack Wing -

Saber Class
Akira Class
Centaur Class
Apollo Class

Romulan Raptor Class
Defender Class ships

Actual K'Vort class (wings pointing up, big battlecruiser)

Excelsior Refit is on my list of wants too...lol

I love their Saber. The Sovereign and Defiant are also great. Too bad the Prometheus is severely under-detailed and the Nebula is even more crooked than the Constitution refit. Yes, I am just in it for the models.

It's funny that you mention the Clix/Attack Wing version of the Excelsior. It's the one model most likely to make Bernd Schneider's head explode: the saucer is more oval than circle, the proportions are really strange in the engineering section, the details on the impulse and engineering sections seem to have come from nowhere, and the shuttle bay looks like it has an aeroshuttle parked on it for no reason that I can discern.

I actually think it looks really awesome! It's like a post-First Contact-style refit of an Excelsior.

Actually, I looked at the Excelsior model in the shop yesterday, it looks fine to me, lol. looks like it's a new sculpt.

I purchased my new ships yesterday. While I was removing my Kraxon from the package, one of the rear wings popped off. Watch out friends!

Otherwise, can't they brighten up these cards?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Actually, I looked at the Excelsior model in the shop yesterday, it looks fine to me, lol. looks like it's a new sculpt.

Compare this:



to this:



And for the record, I prefer the funky Clix version over the canon (yet unattractive) version. My point is just that the Clix minis sometime make bizarre departures from the actual ships they're modeled after.

Yeah, I noticed the change in the ships today, I like the canon version better, lol.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Yeah, I noticed the change in the ships today, I like the canon version better, lol.

The overwhelming majority of people do prefer the canon version. Makes me wonder why they decided to 'improve' it.

I myself would prefer to know that Wizkids can stick to canon on a model--as a frequent visitor to Ex Astris Scientia, I really notice when they get things wrong. (Even if they produce an eventual happy accident, it's still an accident.)


By the way, have you seen the Vorcha? Looks like the sculptor was watching TNG with his TV ratio off.

I know, right? the clix Vorcha looks fine though... makes me wonder why they changed it... Also, Why the heck was the Negh'Var SO PAPER THIN?!?!

Ugh... Wizkids, don't make a game appealing to mini-war-gamers unless you plan on investing in the sculpts...

I think the clix Vor'cha is the same. That thing's pincers could almost eat my Micromachines Vor'cha's head, and the two minis are nearly the same size.

The unpainted Negh'Var's wings are translucent. Love the model, but it feels incredibly flimsy.

Fortunately, the Valdore looks pretty close to the CGI. I kind of hope they do a Scimitar and just call it a Romulan Dreadnought ...bird... or something.

I've noticed some discussion on other forums about Faction Pure play. Is anyone's OP being run this way? If so, I'd like to see some of the faction pure lists that are winning these things.

Like I've said before, the movement phase is where this game is won and loss, and I don't actually think the build matters as much as the movement phase does, but it's always interesting to see how other players run their faction pure lists. Also, if you run Faction Pure, how do you deal with the independent faction? Is Khan just not allowed?

Gordash wrote:
I've noticed some discussion on other forums about Faction Pure play. Is anyone's OP being run this way? If so, I'd like to see some of the faction pure lists that are winning these things.

Like I've said before, the movement phase is where this game is won and loss, and I don't actually think the build matters as much as the movement phase does, but it's always interesting to see how other players run their faction pure lists. Also, if you run Faction Pure, how do you deal with the independent faction? Is Khan just not allowed?

While it's not mandated or anything, almost all of the lists that have been at my OPs have been faction pure. No problems with taking Khan, as he's "unaligned." Actually, the Federation player at our OPs has been running him (mostly on the reliant) and the Uber Picard Ent D. He's not done that well.

I, on the other hand, have won the first three OPs...pretty handily, actually. My list has generally been pretty close to a lot of the Klingon builds you guys have been running, I've just been running Nu'Daq rather than Donatra. It's still quite good.

Our Dominion player has been running 4 of the scout ships + (I totally just forgot the name of the ship but it's the one that takes hits on its own shields for everyone else) in the last two, and that's been working a lot better than his previous list.

I think that the main thing helping me (besides having handfuls of dice with each ship) is that I've played a lot more Xwing than everyone else, so I have a leg up in the movement phase against pretty much everyone. I expect that will disappear as everyone else starts to get used to it.

I think generally that I've also been winning because I had been playing X-wing previously. I lost OP4 on a roll-off by one battlestations (ARGH!)


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I'm trying to decide which Flagship will work best in a two ship engage build. So far, it's probably the target lock independent flagship, but I'd like to put it on the Valdore, and would really like to get a tech slot on that thing for interphase generator. Alas, I'm not sure I can get it to work and still have a decent second ship. They've actually done a nice job of pricing the flagships such that I'm not sure that they're much better than command tokens.

I also think that the Dominion Suicide Run list isn't that bad. 4 5th Wing ships with Suicide Run on each would be pretty decent. I'd have to test it out before I commit to the purchases.

So, bit of a rules question...

If I put Captain Worf on the IKS Ch'Tang, do I get to reroll twice???

I think the answer to that question is no. You can't reroll a reroll unless the card explicitly says that you can do so. Work doesn't say "reroll an additional time"... so I think the answer is no.

Hey, got another question, which expansion came with Cyrano Jones and the tribble tokens? Was it really the Enterprise expansion, or was it Excelsior?

I am considering lists for future OP events and am finding myself increasingly drawn to a no name pilot list. I like to run in tight formation this usually results in me having to make an unwanted manuver (to avoid crashing) or worse misjudging and hitting it losing an action or more if you end up with the pile up problem( one crashes causing all the others to crash as well). With all pilots at skill one I can pick and choose my maneuvers with relative impunity as I always choose the order in which they move. In addition I am toying with making all of the ships identical so as to make target priority for my opponent much less clear. Here is my current work in progress (I have not factored in United fleet bonus as it is unclear whether my venue is going to allow it).

Valdore Class Romulan Captain and Tactical Officer 31
Valdore Class Romulan Captain and Tactical Officer 31
Valdore Class Romulan Captain and Tactical Officer 31
Command Tokens
98pts

Need to do some testing.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Hey, got another question, which expansion came with Cyrano Jones and the tribble tokens? Was it really the Enterprise expansion, or was it Excelsior?

Jones comes with the Gr'oth/D7. All things considered it ia a great set. The D7 is an ok ship if you only have a few points left. Koloth and Krell are the captains they are both very useful and low point cost. I have seen a guy at my local store use tribbels to good effect in an OP on a federation ship so they do have their use.

I have always had the idea of putting Jones with Reliant Khan together but couldn't find a good enough non-federation ship; until, the Koranak came. I just wish there was room for Khan's son.

Constitution refit set to come out in July
(http://www.ikoncollectables.com.au/p13143/Star_Trek_-_Attack_Wing_U.S.S._Enterprise_Federation/product_info.html)

They also list lore's ship for the rogue borg assimilator at the same time.

and
(http://www.popcultcha.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/21920/s/heroclix-star-trek-attack-wing-battleship-dominion-expansion/category/145/)

This site lists the other big dominion ship.

Take them for what you will but these 2 sites had wave 3 on them a month before the pics showed up on game trade magazine. So hopefully we will have admiral Kirk to get us through the summer

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Constitution refit set to come out in July
(http://www.ikoncollectables.com.au/p13143/Star_Trek_-_Attack_Wing_U.S.S._Enterprise_Federation/product_info.html)

They also list lore's ship for the rogue borg assimilator at the same time.

and
(http://www.popcultcha.com.au/catalog/product/view/id/21920/s/heroclix-star-trek-attack-wing-battleship-dominion-expansion/category/145/)

This site lists the other big dominion ship.

Take them for what you will but these 2 sites had wave 3 on them a month before the pics showed up on game trade magazine. So hopefully we will have admiral Kirk to get us through the summer

Oh...Come...OOONN!!!!!!!!!

I JUUUUST bought a replacement ship for the Constitution class model....

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:


Oh...Come...OOONN!!!!!!!!!

I JUUUUST bought a replacement ship for the Constitution class model....

Well you could always run one as the generic and one as the enterprise.

Yeah, but it takes the fun out of painting a hero ship...

Paint it as the ISS Enterprise refit, then?

Great news. Glad they are releasing more Dominion ships going forward.

So, apparently, the NX-01, the small borg cube, a Vulcan ship, etc are coming out too, anyone else kinda tired of all the OLD, and weak ships coming out? give us some modern heavy hitters, like the Akira, Nebula, Saber, Steamrunner, etc.

We are probably not going to see the Akira, Streamrunner, or saber classes untill everything with on screen captains and crew are done. They would have to completely make up stuff for those ships so if wizkids ever get to them it will not be anytime soon. But maybe they will be an OP prize but I think a general release for those 3 is a long way down the road.

Though it does bother me that they will be slowing down to only 3 ships per release.

I am right there with you, Plaguelord. Akira is at the top of my list, followed by the Scimitar, Steamrunner, Dauntless and Norway. I'd love to see how they do V'Ger, just for poops and giggles. If they released some of the apocryphal ships, like the Aventine, Titan or Merian classes, I would be ecstatic.

So, there was a review of the game on SpikeyBits today...

I couldn't be more insulted...

It wasn't too bad of a review. He pretty much acknowledged that he didn't have too much experience, and was going off of hearsay for most of his comments. It IS a lot like x-wing, so I can see that if someone isn't too into the theme, that these games will seem too samey. He's not known for his amazing analysis to begin with, so I'm not too upset.

Seriously though, if you're going to do a review article, you should attempt to do the research, and btw, him calling Romulans space elves... Yeah, that pretty much told me he wasn't going to be objective with his analysis...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, there was a review of the game on SpikeyBits today...

I couldn't be more insulted...

I think that was less a review than an attempted comedy "trash-talk" piece. Poor guy just comes across as an ignoramus, though.

My Klingon 7th Fleet:







It will expand in very soon as my son got me a third K'vort for Christmas and I am trying to get a B'rel.

Nice fleet. Look esp good next to the space station.
Might be a stupid question, but where did you get ds9 from?

Not enough D7's for my liking though

 whitehorn wrote:
Nice fleet. Look esp good next to the space station.
Might be a stupid question, but where did you get ds9 from?

At the Winnipeg Comic Con a few months ago. Avery Brooks (Captain Sisko) and Walter Kroenig (Pavel Chekov) were there. It's a Playmates toy with lights and sounds. I used it twice the day I got it at the Comic Con. Here are the two video batreps I did just after I picked it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZkVnJBisA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6ae95GTixE

I'm planning to use it again this Saturday and will post more batreps.

That's well good.

Definately jealous of it. Good spot.
Going to keep my eyes open now then.

On a side note, between my friends and I we have ALOT of attack wing stuff. I heard that xwing is coming out with fleet rules for 300 pt games.

Does anyone know if there's going to be fleet rules for AW? Or if anyone's created fan rules for large scale battles?

The rules work just fine for larger point games. We have played 300 points before with no problems. We are hoping to play 500-600 points over the holidays. Just increase the table size and you are fine. The only dicey part is placing ships but to speed it up we either roll off battle stations to see who deploys their whole fleet first or we have also tried secret deployment, where we write it down the both sides put stuff out at the same time. It gets the game moving faster.

Hey fellas!!

I finally found this thread again!! i got lost in some of the others..

So our FLGS ran the OP1 and I ran a 2 Cardassian ship list. I wont bore you with the builds, but the Klingon player won. I came in 8th out of 10. Our shop imposed a faction only build rule, so i suffered to higher skill captains, but it was fun and i was able to trade the Klingon player for his Ferengi ship the next day!!

I have had a chance to play OP2 in a playtest. It was fun. I ran a 3 cardassian ship build with gul dukat and martok and khan...it was fun. I played along the board egde opposite the other player and forced him across two orbital platforms, and then manuvered around to destroy one of his ships. Time ran out on the game and I won by points.
So on our next OP - which will be OP 2, im going to play the same strategy. Deploy opposite the opponent and force them to cross the OWP's and then circle back on the enemy. Our FLGS has lifted the single faction restriction so now im going to use Kyle on the Kraxon to regen and heal the fleet as we pass the OWP's on the board edges..

Deathwing Crusader, I love your fleet! It looks awesome! I wonder however, how you model the difference between a K'Voort and a B'rel?


Also, there's a Star Trek Tactics version of one of those background ships from TNG that was used for everything, which should work great as a Klingon transport/tender/freighter with just a quick repaint.

Since we are sharing fleets I just thought I would show off my Klingons too. 19 ships in all, 2 Neg'var. 2 Vor'cha, 5 K'tinga, 6 B'Rel, 3 D7, and 1 lonely K'vort.

The Klingon Defense Force













I am no sure what number 20 will be but I have been wanting to run 3 Neg'vars though. We shall see...

How the heck did you get 6 B'rels?

 DeathwingCrusader wrote:
How the heck did you get 6 B'rels?

I know people who know people who rob people

Na, I won 2 and made the other 4 from heroclix BoP.

Is the B'Rel model different from the K'Voort? Is the difference just on the cards? I only have Tactics stuff so far, so I don't get how you tell the difference.

I now suffer from Fleet Envy...

Hi Guys, Bit of a noob question here, I have a lot of the heroclix models and was looking at using some of these to bulk out my fleets.
Is it possible to get hold of extra attack wing bases?
I've seen some people have coloured bases, are these a third party replacement?

 Tamereth wrote:
Hi Guys, Bit of a noob question here, I have a lot of the heroclix models and was looking at using some of these to bulk out my fleets.
Is it possible to get hold of extra attack wing bases?
I've seen some people have coloured bases, are these a third party replacement?

No, the colored bases are an OP prize. As of now, there are no ways of getting extra attack wing bases.

Plus, you'd need more of the stat bases anyways, cause the ships only come with one... :/

So, I hear the Sovereign class is confirmed??? anyone else hear anything?

Ok, I think I am starting to lean towards the idea of faction pur builds. We had a none OP tournament today and it was a little boring seeing Picard in every fleet. Early on it was we needed to mix things up because there were only a few ships, but now it doesn't seem necessary. Now there are plenty of ships with lots more on the way.

What do you guys think? Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds? We might see koloth in more klingon fleets than picard or dominon players might actually use thot gor.

Sovereign class is coming later next year, so too is Constitution-refit and NX-01. Plus lots of Borg and some Vulcans

I am definitely in favour of faction-pure. I hate seeing Picard & Martok on everything

I like Faction pure builds, but I occaisionally take some romulan stuff on my Klingon vessels... I like Invasion plans a lot, lol

Other than a few properly hardcore every ship, upgrade and capt must do a specific job players, my local meta seems to have gone to fairly pure builds at quite a quick pace.

The one big exception to that is the martock, gowron and donatra combo of capts in a klingon fleet. That's the one im getting bored of playing. A negh'var being able to get 8 attack dice at close range just isn't fun. Even a cloak will rarely save you from that.

I think part of the skill involved in attack wing, esp now most factions have a decent spread of ships and capts, is playing around your fleets weaknesses.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
What do you guys think? Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds? We might see koloth in more klingon fleets than picard or dominon players might actually use thot gor.

With pure faction builds you run a good chance of getting the same thing happening in X-Wing -- spam.

To me those type of upgrades are to keep big, expensive alive and useful. When you're cut off from taking those upgrades why take that ship then? When you could just squeeze in multiple cheap ships. A Pure Dominon fleet would be could just spam lvl 1 patrol ships; Romulans have the Science Vessel and now the Vo and all you need is one CPT to be Donatra, and the Klingon's D7 with Gowron (which was actually my fleey for the Month 1 OP and won --- granted there were only 3 players including myself) or (LE) Martok.

Yes, I know with spam fleets terrain is big factor, but some of us probably learned from X-Wing how to overcome that with Tie-Fighter spam and asteroids.

Somy answer is no pure faction builds; because I want to build my Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order Attack Fleet to properly obliterate the Founders.

 Pound Puppy wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
What do you guys think? Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds? We might see koloth in more klingon fleets than picard or dominon players might actually use thot gor.

With pure faction builds you run a good chance of getting the same thing happening in X-Wing -- spam.

To me those type of upgrades are to keep big, expensive alive and useful. When you're cut off from taking those upgrades why take that ship then? When you could just squeeze in multiple cheap ships. A Pure Dominon fleet would be could just spam lvl 1 patrol ships; Romulans have the Science Vessel and now the Vo and all you need is one CPT to be Donatra, and the Klingon's D7 with Gowron (which was actually my fleey for the Month 1 OP and won --- granted there were only 3 players including myself) or (LE) Martok.

Yes, I know with spam fleets terrain is big factor, but some of us probably learned from X-Wing how to overcome that with Tie-Fighter spam and asteroids.

Somy answer is no pure faction builds; because I want to build my Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order Attack Fleet to properly obliterate the Founders.

I don't think you understood the question, He's not saying "Ban mixed fleets" he's saying Faction Pure builds might be more viable now with the more ships we get. Romulans have kinda gotten the short end of the stick with the crappy VO recently, but they're getting the Gal'Gath'Ong here in 2 months, it looks to be a more midrangey ship than the Vo was supposed to be.

You can do whatever you like, you can build your all D'Deridex/Keldon class army to represent the Tal'Shiar/Obsidian Alliance, we're just saying it might play better if you keep it in the family, (donatra on a warbird, Damar on a Keldon,etc.)

It's getting to the point where Picard on everything isn't going to be as viable.

Nope, I didn't misunderstand the questions since the questions were "What do you guys think?" and "Would faction pure fleets actually bring about more diversity in the builds?"

So I answered the first question by stating it turn into a game of spam of low point ships and the second question as to why it would turn into spam and gave examples of how "diverse" it would get.

Because most of the people I play with play Star Wars X-Wing but also play the Attack Wing because of the mix-matching you can do.

 Pound Puppy wrote:

Because most of the people I play with play Star Wars X-Wing but also play the Attack Wing because of the mix-matching you can do.

I totally agree.
Personally I prefer seeing and playing pure fleets.

But, the ability to mix and match ships, capts and upgrades is what makes attack wing so good. Watching your opponent setting up and almost being more interested in what capts are piloting the ships than the actual ships themselves is what will, hopefully, keep the game a bit fresher than x-wing, esp when new releases start to slow down.

 Pound Puppy wrote:
With pure faction builds you run a good chance of getting the same thing happening in X-Wing -- spam.

To me those type of upgrades are to keep big, expensive alive and useful. When you're cut off from taking those upgrades why take that ship then? When you could just squeeze in multiple cheap ships. A Pure Dominon fleet would be could just spam lvl 1 patrol ships; Romulans have the Science Vessel and now the Vo and all you need is one CPT to be Donatra, and the Klingon's D7 with Gowron (which was actually my fleey for the Month 1 OP and won --- granted there were only 3 players including myself) or (LE) Martok.

Yes, I know with spam fleets terrain is big factor, but some of us probably learned from X-Wing how to overcome that with Tie-Fighter spam and asteroids.

Somy answer is no pure faction builds; because I want to build my Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order Attack Fleet to properly obliterate the Founders.

I don't see the multiple small ships beimg a problem in Attack Wing. In X-Wing the big key to the tie swarm is the roll amd the fact that ships have lower attacks and hull values.

5 jem h'dar fighters is not going to do much to a fleet with 3 big cloaking ships. Same thing goes for the science vessel. The only ship I think that could viable be a consistent swam ship right now is the B'rel class. 4 or 5 of those would be a concern, but the fact that its an op prize limits that.

I give props to anyone flying a D7 swarm, but I doubt it could consistently hold out against fleets of valdors, neg'vars, & vorchas.


Sorry for any confusion but I was mainly thinking pure ships in a fleet. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to really use the ferengi marauder, tholian ship, gorn, and bajoran.

But there isn't a Tholian or Gorn ship right now, lol

http://www.universaldist.com/pre-orders.aspx?Command=Schedule

If you scroll to the bottom of this page it appears that later this year we'll see a Mirror Universe Defiant, Chang's Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

I really hope chang's BoP is a B'Rel and I am stocked about the scimitar. I really hated that movie but I want my romulans to have more teeth

Likewise Baldrick, it wasn't a great movie but my primary faction is Romulan and I want a big badass ship capable of going toe to toe with a Jem'Hadar battleship

AND Reman boarding parties!

I love how we're getting NX-01 BEFORE NCC-1701-B...

If they released B, we'd get ANOTHER TUVOK!!! lol

I suspect Chang's BoP will be a b'rel class.

Also, anyone else notice that the I.K.S Som'Raw isn't on that list, yet is confirmed for the next wave?

I believe I saw the Som'Raw in the list it was closer tomthe middle.

Either way, I'm still miffed we're not getting the Enterprise-B anytime in the next year...

Yeah Somraw was on the list.

For the Enterprise-B you can always use Excelsior!
I'm more miffed at still no Enterprise-C, such a long wait for Enterprise-E, no Constellation class, no retail Nebula class etc.....

emperorpenguin wrote:
Yeah Somraw was on the list.

For the Enterprise-B you can always use Excelsior!
I'm more miffed at still no Enterprise-C, such a long wait for Enterprise-E, no Constellation class, no retail Nebula class etc.....

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, it didn't even really see heavy deployment in the dominion war. The only ships we really saw in large engagements were Akira, Excelsior, Saber, Miranda, and Galaxy Classes.

Either way, I was hoping for more Klingon ships this next year, oh well...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, ...

Not sure why you think that!? One single Nebula class caused lots of problems for the Cardassians (USS Phoenix), it's basically a smaller Galaxy class, as it appears in Attack Wing too


http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/01/02/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-3-4th-division-battleship/

Preview for the Jem'Hadar battleship is up!

emperorpenguin wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, ...

Not sure why you think that!? One single Nebula class caused lots of problems for the Cardassians (USS Phoenix), it's basically a smaller Galaxy class, as it appears in Attack Wing too


http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/01/02/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-3-4th-division-battleship/

Preview for the Jem'Hadar battleship is up!

it caused problems for Non-military Cardassian vessels... If those were Galor class the Phoenix would've been in trouble.

EDIT: Holy crap that is one sweet package of evil... our local Dominion player is going to be happy.

Now, if only Klingons got more than one ship this year...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

it caused problems for Non-military Cardassian vessels... If those were Galor class the Phoenix would've been in trouble. .

It did fight Galor or Keldon class ships and destroyed them even after taking a hit with its shields down! http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Wounded_(episode)

And it DID take part in the Dominion war

The Nebula-class was present in several major Federation engagements against the Borg, including the Battle of Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001. (DS9: "Emissary"; Star Trek: First Contact) They were also present in numerous Dominion War battles, including the Second Battle of Chin'toka and Battle of Cardassia. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil", "What You Leave Behind").

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class

emperorpenguin wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

it caused problems for Non-military Cardassian vessels... If those were Galor class the Phoenix would've been in trouble. .

It did fight Galor or Keldon class ships and destroyed them even after taking a hit with its shields down! http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Wounded_(episode)


http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class

Actually, there was only one Galor class vessel in that episode, the other ship destroyed was a 50 man supply ship. The last ship in that episode was another Transport ship.

:/

I won't deny it was indeed involved in the dominion war, however, it doesn't have a great track record of surviving many battles.

PS, the Keldon Class wasn't actually in service until the Dominion war. It was supposed to be the Cardassian equivalent of the Sovereign Class.

Regardless of how many Galors it destroyed, it did do so, so not quite sure why you think it's some kind of science ship?

If we're going on track records of surviving battles, that'd make the D'deridex a disaster!

emperorpenguin wrote:
Regardless of how many Galors it destroyed, it did do so, so not quite sure why you think it's some kind of science ship?

If we're going on track records of surviving battles, that'd make the D'deridex a disaster!

Umm, I said it wasn't a dedicated combat vehicle, I didn't say it was a mere science ship, you're putting words in my mouth.

Not sure why you care so much?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

emperorpenguin wrote:
Yeah Somraw was on the list.

For the Enterprise-B you can always use Excelsior!
I'm more miffed at still no Enterprise-C, such a long wait for Enterprise-E, no Constellation class, no retail Nebula class etc.....

Well, to be fair, the Nebula class isn't really a combat vehicle, it didn't even really see heavy deployment in the dominion war. The only ships we really saw in large engagements were Akira, Excelsior, Saber, Miranda, and Galaxy Classes.

Either way, I was hoping for more Klingon ships this next year, oh well...

Didn't a lone Nebula clean up against the Cardassians in the TNG episode The Wounded? Also, they must have appeared in the Dominion War...Ex Astris noted 3 different models (1 physical and two CGI?) of the Nebukla from battle and patrol shots. Besides, the Nebula is my favorite. :(

But you bring up a good point about the disappointing lack of Akira and Ambassador classes.

What are the odds of seeing the All Good Things ships, like the 3-nacelled Enterprise or the Klingon 'Voodieh' class?


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

emperorpenguin wrote:
Regardless of how many Galors it destroyed, it did do so, so not quite sure why you think it's some kind of science ship?

If we're going on track records of surviving battles, that'd make the D'deridex a disaster!

Umm, I said it wasn't a dedicated combat vehicle, I didn't say it was a mere science ship, you're putting words in my mouth.

Not sure why you care so much?

The Federation officially has only one class of dedicated combat vessel in production. Every other class of ship is 'just' an explorer, even if some of them are designed to explore the insides of whole enemy fleets.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to the Jem'Hadar Battleship. But what I really want is to know what Captains we're getting. I've determined that Gul'Dukat is an overused middleweight captain and Weyoun is an underused captain who is overpowered against certain fleets, but there is yet to be that ridiculously overpowered combo that the Feds, Klingons, Independants or Romulans get. The Dominion are a faction of great ships with middling to awful captains\, and that needs to be fixed before Dominion players like my roommate get bored with the game.

http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf

Pics of the October releases for this year - another Defiant but two new sculpts 'wings-up' Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

thecactusman17 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to the Jem'Hadar Battleship. But what I really want is to know what Captains we're getting. I've determined that Gul'Dukat is an overused middleweight captain and Weyoun is an underused captain who is overpowered against certain fleets, but there is yet to be that ridiculously overpowered combo that the Feds, Klingons, Independants or Romulans get. The Dominion are a faction of great ships with middling to awful captains\, and that needs to be fixed before Dominion players like my roommate get bored with the game.

A shot of the captains is over on BGG, it is a skill7 weyoun, and another named vorta that has an ability to put damage on an enemy ship at range 1.




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emperorpenguin wrote:
http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf

Pics of the October releases for this year - another Defiant but two new sculpts 'wings-up' Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

Thanks for sharing, looks like we are finally getting that BoP with the raised wings looks like a different sculpt than the ch'tang & koraga.

Yup, it and the Scimitar are two completely new sculpts

Dice tower has a preview for wave 3 up on you tube. Lots of nice things on the way. Romulans get a boost with the gal goth thong. Some interesting things on the equinox. The somraw is a little meh.

Yup, was just on my way to post, here is the link for anyone interested

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1097005/dice-tower-wave-3-review-is-up

Romulan bird of prey is great, about time they got another decent ship!

Dominion battleship has no rear arc, going to need to cover that thing's flanks with attack ships or Breen

Somraw is ok

Equinox is ok

Yeah it is nice to have something for romulan fans tomget excited about. Though it does irritate me that the MASSACRE from the Vo set is a discard and the Gelnon vorta captain, jem hadar battleship, is just an action to rolltto damage dice against someone.


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So last week I showed off the Klingons well this week it's my other favorite faction the Romulans...

The Romulan Neutral Zone Patrol: 1 Valdor, 9 Warbirds, 4 Science Vessels, and 2 BoP.



Some times we house rule that you can use multiple of the named Praetus because the generic is kinda useless. The science vessels don't see much action, but I really like the Interphase Generator It will not be long until the Gal'Gath Thong gets added to the fleet for some TOS love, going to need at least 2 of those. I think I may add 2 more Valdors for some tricksy schemes I am thinking.

Hope you enjoy.

emperorpenguin wrote:
http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf

Pics of the October releases for this year - another Defiant but two new sculpts 'wings-up' Bird of Prey and the Scimitar

Oh man, I am really going to have to get into this game big time. And all my friends. Are there any youtube videos that demonstrate the game and teach noobs the basics of how to play?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Oh man, I am really going to have to get into this game big time. And all my friends. Are there any youtube videos that demonstrate the game and teach noobs the basics of how to play?

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/139771/star-trek-attack-wing

Plenty of videos, reviews and tactical advice here

I really like the Equinox, even if the captains are a little more than useless, lol.

Nice fleet Mr. S Baldrick.
I love seeing other people's fleets. Not sure that counts as a patrol any more, though?

Surprised that you only have one Valdore. The Romulan meta in my area is 2 in a fleet minimum, while 3 isn't unusual.
Its interesting to see someone who is obviously playing completely differently to what I am used to.

I wonder if the Scimitar will have the Thaleron Radiation weapon.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Oh man, I am really going to have to get into this game big time. And all my friends. Are there any youtube videos that demonstrate the game and teach noobs the basics of how to play?

Go to youtube and type in "Star Trek Attack Wing batrep" and plenty will come up.

 whitehorn wrote:
Nice fleet Mr. S Baldrick.
I love seeing other people's fleets. Not sure that counts as a patrol any more, though?

Surprised that you only have one Valdore. The Romulan meta in my area is 2 in a fleet minimum, while 3 isn't unusual.
Its interesting to see someone who is obviously playing completely differently to what I am used to.

Shhhhhhhhh.... we only tell those Star Fleet guys its a patrol

My Romulans have been known to fly around on stolen vorchas, k'tinga,, and the occasional defiant, but you are right another valdor is needed. Not to mention a scimitar.

Though the Warbird will always be my favorite and success or failure it is my goto romulan ship.

I wonder when we'll get a CS8 or 9 Romulan captain, probably not until October when Shinzon comes out, but really, he's not "really" a romulan...

So, regarding Repaints, I used a couple metallic paints for my B'rel class, would you ever consider doing such a thing?

I only used metallic for the guns and the top of the hull (the grills)

So any of you guys using the admirals orders? If so how have you done?

Myself I haven't had a chance to use them yet, but I am not sure I like the idea. My one hangout did OP4 in December, and the other is not having it until the end of January.

Promoting 2 ship builds sounds good, however there are so many things for extra actions (picard, dukat, martok, command tokens) the strike force seems a little too much. Also the united force order oly promotes pure ships not fleets so it seems that throwing 10 extra points at them seems like a huge advantage.

This is just how it looks to me on paper. But how does it play? Any thoughts?

So, I guess since we know the releases up until October this year, is there much to talk about besides the cards that come with the ships? lol...

Thanks for the links, guys! Now, if only I can convince my wife...


@PlagueLord,

We can always discuss the quality of the models and paint jobs..?

We have loads to discuss as new cards are revealed.

Now that we have had a look at the equinox I think captain ransom has possibilities. Put him on the defiant, or even a genaric defiant class and that could be 4 dice plus an evade token a turn. For a little more beef consider:
USS Defiant
Ransom
cloak
EMH

Go a little further and:
USS Defiant
Ransom
Cloak
EMH
Ind. Flagship (free evade)

...and you have a little monster of a ship that can cloak 2 turns in a row with 4 attacks, 4 hull, amd 5 shields and 8 evade dice. Not a bad place to start for those who like 2 ship builds.

I would expect to see Ransom and the EMH popping up in lots of fleets. They are cheep and great defensive boosts. After February if you are even thinking of taking a cloaking device or advanced weapons system you should set aside a few points for the EMH.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
So, I guess since we know the releases up until October this year, is there much to talk about besides the cards that come with the ships? lol...

As long as they keep doing op events, in one form or another, I think we will keep talking about the game.
I really doubt I would have got into the game in such a big way without them.

Op events is where they can do some really odd ball releases - ferengi maurader is the best example, although for sheer coolness I'm excited about the two attack squadrons, months 5 and 6.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
So any of you guys using the admirals orders? If so how have you done?

Myself I haven't had a chance to use them yet, but I am not sure I like the idea. My one hangout did OP4 in December, and the other is not having it until the end of January.

Promoting 2 ship builds sounds good, however there are so many things for extra actions (picard, dukat, martok, command tokens) the strike force seems a little too much. Also the united force order oly promotes pure ships not fleets so it seems that throwing 10 extra points at them seems like a huge advantage.

This is just how it looks to me on paper. But how does it play? Any thoughts?

Our OP4 event the top three players were a United Force List, and two United Strike Force lists (Fed, Klingon, and Romulan respectively) They play well and give people more options to consider.

After playing and watching some games where Admirals Orders were used I am not liking them. Facing opponents that have ships getting 3-4 actions a turn is a bit much in my opinion.

My store has not been allowing them. I think it's a good decision. There's enough going on with the Resources and the rest of the cards that we don't need heavy handed list manipulation from Wizkids. The Orders are a bit overpowered for what they do. I'd rather they be severely toned down.

Well, I like them, and remember, these won't be the only Admiral's Orders to come out, more are on the way.

Gordash wrote:
My store has not been allowing them. I think it's a good decision. There's enough going on with the Resources and the rest of the cards that we don't need heavy handed list manipulation from Wizkids. The Orders are a bit overpowered for what they do. I'd rather they be severely toned down.

I agree, they are a pit much in my opinion. This past weekend I saw a ship getting 4 actions a turn, (Ship+picard+flagship+admirals orders). Part of the challenge of the game is deciding what action to take and when. If you can do every action every turn it does dilute the skill level a bit.


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Well, I like them, and remember, these won't be the only Admiral's Orders to come out, more are on the way.

Maybe or maybe not. Wizkids is collecting feedback from January amd February before they make any decisions on more orders.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

Gordash wrote:
My store has not been allowing them. I think it's a good decision. There's enough going on with the Resources and the rest of the cards that we don't need heavy handed list manipulation from Wizkids. The Orders are a bit overpowered for what they do. I'd rather they be severely toned down.

I agree, they are a pit much in my opinion. This past weekend I saw a ship getting 4 actions a turn, (Ship+picard+flagship+admirals orders). Part of the challenge of the game is deciding what action to take and when. If you can do every action every turn it does dilute the skill level a bit.


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Well, I like them, and remember, these won't be the only Admiral's Orders to come out, more are on the way.

Maybe or maybe not. Wizkids is collecting feedback from January amd February before they make any decisions on more orders.

Well, Admiral Orders like the united fleet order are good, more points on upgrades is something 3 ship builds desperately need. (Always have one ship that's just naked)

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Well, Admiral Orders like the united fleet order are good, more points on upgrades is something 3 ship builds desperately need. (Always have one ship that's just naked)

Not at all, I won and seen plenty of people win with 3 ship builds before the admirals orders came out. All the united force does is reward people for not making the tough decisions. If you want to fit in that crew card maybe cut some points on captains or take a lower point ship. Part of the game is making your build and usimg it tomits advantages in the game. Admirals orders water that down because people can take all the best ships with the best captains with all the upgrades they want without sacrificing anything.

It is a bit silly, there is already a built in benifit to playing faction pure. You don't pay the faction penalty. Giving players 10 extra points on top of that and a reroll is too much.

The only players the pure fleet really effects negatively are those who include one, maybe two, out of faction upgrades.

Those pure player now don't have to make the hard decisions, the player who maxes out the ideal fleet out of what ever works best already has a fleet he is happy with. Its the poor sod with that out of faction captain to do a specific job, or an upgrade to help his fleet that now has hard choices to make. Drop them and gain the points or suffer un-duely.

Be interesting to see how it changes things.

The Somraw was leaked. My initial thoughts are meh on this one.

I've read now that starting in June they may be moving to waves of 3 ships per month. I think that's a crazy move. Are the sales numbers that good?

They definitely are moving to every month, the release schedules have been seen on the webz

I can well believe it's selling that well.

That might be a bit too quick for me... although I bet there'll be only one ship per release that is really worth getting. So far, it looks like I'll be getting the Dominion battleship from the next wave and maybe the Romulan ship.

I guess The fan-base is overjoyed that Wiz Kids is whole-heartedly supporting the Prime Universe instead of the failbrams-verse...lol

It looks like those future waves are going to be chock full of goodness as well. The release schedule is definitely better than X-wing- although I'd imagine that X-wing requires a bit more balancing than Attack Wing (faction mixing makes up for most potential balance issues).

Gordash wrote:
It looks like those future waves are going to be chock full of goodness as well. The release schedule is definitely better than X-wing- although I'd imagine that X-wing requires a bit more balancing than Attack Wing (faction mixing makes up for most potential balance issues).

Also as they included more factions in attack wing they need to release more to keep every player happy. If they released a couple of ships every quarter or something like x-wing I think the player base for this game would just die, certain races would be left in the cold for months.
Plus it probably helps that wiz-kids have a lot of these models sculpted already.

Keep'em coming.

Anyone got an email address for Wizkids Customer Support. I have a wonky headed RIS Apnex and want to make some enquiries about directly purchasing more pegs for the flying bases.

jase69 wrote:
Anyone got an email address for Wizkids Customer Support. I have a wonky headed RIS Apnex and want to make some enquiries about directly purchasing more pegs for the flying bases.

I have had good luck in replacing funky HeroClix and mis-carded figures from WizKids but haven't needed replacement for Attack Wing yet. Here's a link to their support; you may also have to register too. http://wizkidsgames.com/support/

jase69 wrote:
Anyone got an email address for Wizkids Customer Support. I have a wonky headed RIS Apnex and want to make some enquiries about directly purchasing more pegs for the flying bases.

Also, you won't be able to purchase pegs from them either... They don't sell individual parts, you'll have to buy more ships.

well just started this game, as now it is played alongside the 40k fantasy warmahordes at our tourney...


friggen AWESOME!

I love the dial "poker bluff" moving, really puts strategy into it,

my first game was all it took to get me up to speed,

2nd game I was doing decently against good players and actually won due to pure luck (he whiffed all 5 def dice and blew up) then I got a crit through his cloaked ship, warp core breach, then he rolled crit next turn and *BOOOM*

3rd game i was really getting the hang of it and shot a large klingon fleer out of the sky.


someone was nice enough to let me borrow all their minis and cards ect for it, played dominion and really liked what they could do.

Its also nice to be giving all the federation players someone to play who isnt federation lol.


this game is pickin gup steam really quickly by the sounds of it, and its a lot of fun.


only thing is, are some of the cards basically impossoble to get now?

my only complaint would be a "haha I have the best card that you cant get" being too much of an advantage, but maybe there is a card booster or somthing I cant find.

There is no card booster for this game, all of the cards come with the ships. Some people might have better cards that came with the Organized play prizes. Currently, the Prizes out there now are

Krayton (Ferengi)
I.K.S. Ch'tang (Klingon B'rel Class)
P.W.B Aj'myr (Romulan D'deridex Class)
U.S.S Sutherland (Federation Nebula Class)
and Month 5 should be the new Breen Battle Cruiser.

oh... so if you want khan, you have to buy the reliant (might be wrong on the ship) then?

any other decent independants to look at besides khan?

Yup, Khan comes with the Reliant, but there is also a GenKhan (released at Gen Con by WizKids when demoing the game). Most independent faction cards come in the Reliant booster except Cyrano Jones and his tribbles which came with the D7 (not to get confused with the Kronos One).

Looks like Wizkids spoiled the Borg Sphere card on Twitter tonight, looks to be 6 attack, 0 evade, 7 hull and 7 Shields, 2 new upgrade icons, and a new action icon, 360 Firing Arc, 40 points.

The scary thing is that you can take sphere 4270 a generic shpere and still have 22 points for upgrades

There is also a tease pic of some kind of weapon that is range 1 and 10 attacks. All the pic shows is the range and attack value. Anyone that was worried about the borg being limited with only one ship at the start of the next OP can rest at ease.

Wow, good thing I bought another starter box for more dice recently, LMAO

borg are going to be awesome, lots of counters to the federation me thinks IE no more fed havin the best ships, and I am assuming theat borg picard will counter picard!

at least I hope!

It's a little early for speculation considering that the Borg mainly adapt and react I would expect them to have lower captain skills with really good passive abilities and be the best upgrade stealers in the game.




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There is also a picture floating around, from the Wizkids twitter page I believe, it shows a side view of the voyager package and it looks twice as thick as the regular expansions. It is packed with 5 or 6 cardboard sheets worth of tokens. I for one can't wait to see what all those goodies are.

I think it was actually the Wizkids Facebook page for the voyager pic, lol.

Can you guys post some pics?

https://twitter.com/wizkidsgames/status/429013893122228224/photo/1/large

It breaks the 2pt for every attribute point rule- I guess it isn't a rule!

Cool, thanks. Keep posting pics. I'm just lurking in the background hoping to see pictures of tiny little spaceships.

Gordash wrote:
It breaks the 2pt for every attribute point rule- I guess it isn't a rule!

No it doesn't, it has 20pts of attributes

I thought the six attack was eight attack!

It looks like a 6 to me and that would fit in with the points system 6+0+7+7=20 then 2x20=40.

On a brighter note today wizkids released an update to the admirals orders.

(http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/02/03/star-trek-attack-wing-admirals-order-update-2314/)

Looks like there will not be any new ones for a while and for any TO that will be allowing Wizkids has updated admirals orders reference card so ONLY ONE can be used at a time. Wizkids also advised that TOs and store owners only allow the current orders "occasionally". The use of "occasionally" irritates me a little. Why not just say they are disbanded for now? It is a very vague statement. The only thing I can think is that because wizkids originally said the orders were extended through February and only allowing one order at a time will help curb some of the problems with them for that month. After February, it sounds that they are not to be used at all.

Makes sense. It definitely makes it less good than i thought it was going to be. The Admiral's Orders were a good idea in theory, but obviously hadn't really been playtested too much.

My repaint on the Jem Hadar attack ship. I ended up re doing the whole colour scheme, as purple ship plating doesnt really fit... and its not like that in the CGIs for film, so here is how I envisioned it. base coat is dark grey, dry brush + high light a few layers of lighter grey on the hull, then I picked out the details with red/yellow paint, and some with the really fine graphing markers. for the power glow areas I started with a deep purple and applied lighter and lighter shades of purples/pink while the paint was really watery to give a nice flourecent look to it. finally some super shiney martha stewart gloss on the warp coil bits/phasorbanks/lights and I feel like it is now a ship worthy of the drug fueled genetically enhanced clone peon army of Jem Hadar.

That looks awesome. How well does the Martha Stewart gloss compare to GW gloss varnish? Does it work well with acrylic paint?

I need some input.

Being a long time dakka troller (don't post often) since I primarily play 40k, I ran into the X-Wing section. Picked up some X-Wing stuff and loved it.

Noticed the Star Trek section. I'm a huge Star Trek fan. The ships I've seen look great. Scale doesn't matter since I know how large they truly are compared to each other.

That being said. I looked at some of the stats for the ships. Are they comparable to the capabilities of the ships on the show...or are there cases where a small B'rel bird of prey can smoke a Nebula class starship?

I guess the question is...are the ships close enough to show accurate or balanced for game mechanics?

Any ship can get lucky and kill another ship (thanks to Warp Core breaches)
Most ships 'seem' right but the b'rel seems too well armed, whilst the d'deridex is undergunned

Agreed the D'deridex is under gunned, the B'Rel is a little beefy, but its big guns are a little balanced by its week hull. That being said a B'rel is an OP prize for now so not a ton of them flying around, and it can't one shot a Nebula on its own. The BoP for retail sale is the Kavort which is probably the best well rounded ship in the game right now.

I'm surprised the B'rel isn't agility 2. Also very surprised the k'vort has hull 5.

Why are you surprised the K'Vort is hull 5? It's a battlecruiser... About the same size as a Galaxy Class' saucer section... The K'Vort class was also featured on the TNG episodes "Yesterday's Enterprise" attacking the D and C...

 emperorpenguin wrote:
I'm surprised the B'rel isn't agility 2. Also very surprised the k'vort has hull 5.

The only problem with giving the B'rel 2 agility is that it would become 22 points and make the k'tinga class worthless. Or if you moved a point of attack to agility to keeps its points the same the D7 becomes more worthless than it is now. So it kinda has to stay where it is at to kive the other ships a place to shine.

I am ok with the kavort the way it is, it gives a nice middle ground between the little and big ships.

Well, finished the whole Jem Hadar attack wing in time for OP 5, hope you all enjoy them!

Nice looking Jem H'dar fleet there They look like they are waiting for that battle ship to drop.


So how are you all dealing with the delay on wave 3. I am really waiting for the Equinox & Gal gathong definitely going to pick up 2 of each. The battle ship and Somraw I am not over the moon for. The Somraw might be the first expansion I only get one of, just not much use for it when you already have D7s.

How about you guys, what are you looking forward to the most in the next wave? Myself I see so many good things for the Romulans and Equinox has some nice goodies in it.