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The warbird can be used to great effect without cloaking all the time. Unlike klingons they have evade dice & shields to keep them fliying. Shields up it takes 10 hits to take down the Khazara. I would gladly pay 30 points each to hace two ships out there with 6 hull and 4 shields.

Two of those with hull plating will really frustrate the opponent. Last night a buddy and I play tested OP3 a few times. Game one I flew.

Khazara
toreth
hull plating
attack patterm omega

Warbird
donatra
hull plating
All forward disruptor banks

praetus
valdor
plasma torpedoes

he had
kraxon
terrel

5th wing
sar
suicide attack
Poloron beam

jem hadar fighter
gul ranor
suicide attack
poloron beam


Turn 1 he moved in on the planet to put more troops down, cloaked. Turn 2 he tried put more people downnon the planet with kraxon believing the planet would protect it. I flew past his jem hadar and hit kraxon with toreth with its shields down, crit and warp core breach. He put two hits on my praetus. Turn3 the kraxon tries to get into position to eject its core on the other side of the planet, but too late crit and it explodes. Praetus opens up with plasma torpedoes does 2 damage to a 5th wing., who then destroys the praetus.

The next 2-3 turns is him trying to catch the khazara with two jem hadar ships. Was able to use donatra in that time to load up the


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The planet with more troops and keep attacking it un till it was all mine. Khazara took out the cripples fighter. On the last turn Khazara and donarta's war bird caught the last jem hadar between them and it went down in flames.


Two war birds worked great. I only cloaked when he was at close range and the initial round. In the end donatra onlyn one damage and one shield left. Khazara had two shields left amd no damage.

Long story short Romulans are not klingons and do not need to cloak all the time. If you are you are wasting actions that can be better spent and wasting all those shields.

I would think that the maneuverability of the Warbird should allow you to get outside of firing arcs as well. The Warbird is REALLY good and I think is underappreciated in comparison to the Valdore. You weren't up against a Klingon Attack Build though. I'd be interested to hear how that list does against something more aggressive.

I too think it needs to be tested against more. Against klingons I would cloak more but for sensor echos to take away their shooting. I need to test them a little more before committing though. I am seeing more interest in dominion and federation in my area I think the romulans are great against them.

There is a chance I could get to 3 maybe 4 OP3s I would like to play romulans in at least 1 of them.

We played a 2nd game last night. I flew a klingon swarm. The ChTang and 3 birds of prey vs a staked enterprise D and a staked Khazara.

I'm working on an Engage Build. Both Captains will need to get out of firing arcs. Specifically, I want to combat against the growing tide of Klingon Attack Builds. Here's what I've got so far.

Enterprise D
Picard
Engage
Spock
Antimatter Mines
Uhura

Defiant
Captain Kirk
Engage
Corbomite maneuver
Cloaked Mines
Antimatter Mines

Enterprise D has Green 3- so you should be able to stay out of firing arcs with Engage, and Scan- drop mines. Picard then just has to keep maneuvering and staying out of arcs.

The Defiant does the same thing- if it gets hairy- drop the corbomite Maneuver. You could Cloaked Mines and then Antimatter Mines on the same turn.

5pts left over for a resource or something else- but I'd rather it be Command Tokens or the new Sideboard coming out- you could remove 5 pts of stuff (uhura etc) and have Sulu and other upgrades ready for when you need to close in and finish the fight. The whole point of the build is to keep these ships out of the firing arcs of the Klingons. You use the speed of the Enterprise and the maneuverability of the Defiant to get where you need to be to drop mines, use 360 phaser arcs etc., I think it could be good in the hands of a skilled player, but will have to work out the kinks. If there are other cards I should be looking at, let me know. The Defiant may not be the best ship for this build either- it may be the Valdore or Warbird- but I want the rear arc so that I can drop the Mines.- but I'd imagine that with Engage, you should be able to get a Warbird almost anywhere you want it to be- along with well timed sensor echos.

The other build would swap out the Antimatter mines on the defiant, the defiant and swap in the Named Warbird- 7 pts left over for some other upgrades.

That is an interesting idea. Are thinking this instead of klingons for OP3? Let us know how play testing goes.


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Romulan pilot card 4hat comes with new OP3 ship is cool
crew card. After you move discard to put a scan token next to your ship as a free action, AND make an additional green maneuver. For only 2 point and it is not unique. I would like to have 2-3 of these.

It goes against my "too many upgrades on one ship" rule. I'll let you know how it works out. That Romulan Pilot card is fantastic. It's such a great upgrade for 2 pts.

The ADDITIONAL WEAPONS ARRAY is nice. A great option for the praetus. I think all of the stuff in the set are good, hope I can get one.

So with all of the talk over BARRAGE OF FIRE I am suprised that MILES O'BRIAN is not finding his way into more lists. He is cheap and can be discarded to disable an upgrade on a cloaked ship up to range 3. If times right he could throw a big monkey wrench into someone's plan. Furthermore if paired with wayoun he can continue to give someone a bad day.

Any thoughts?

I know I'm butting into the middle of a discusion here, but only one discusion thread does that.

Is anyone else disappointed about kronos one using the same model as the D7? Just seems a real shame that in the first wave we get a repeated model.
I have no doubt that as long as this game is supported for long enough we will have to see a lot of repeats, a lot of races ships are very similar between some classes, its always going to happen. In the first wave and with only 4 Klingon ships currently avaliable, though? Felt a little cheated when I got the model in the flesh and couldn't see any differences.

Honestly it didn't really bother me at all. In the show the are painted the same. I also remember reading in some trek behind the scenes book that they used the same models for D7 & Kronos One. Kronos One was just painted different for the movie.

Also I don't really plan on using my D7 very much, probably going to use them as K'tinga class any way. Also remember that there are 3 or 4 different typs of birds of prey and they all look the same.

Yeah, that's fair do's.

Just wish they had gone for a really different ship shape. Even if they only swapped the 1st and 2rnd wave releases. Do the bird of prey first and then a repeat model in the second wave it wouldn't be quite so obvious with 4 different ships already in your fleet.

I also wish that they would have done a few things different with the models. I'd prefer for the smaller ships to be small bases and the larger ships- warbird, galaxy, Neg'Var to be large bases, but I understand that this would involve significant outlays in terms of cost to produce and time to manufacture- The game is good enough that I'd rather just have more options than blow your mind miniatures. I expect that as the community grows and purchases the ships that new sculpts will come down the road. It was a risky venture to begin with- new miniature games always are- and so I understand not wanting to throw money at new ships when their old ships are very serviceable.

X-Wing ships are nicer and better painted- but the range of ships available in Attack wing grows every three months- which is great for the game and will shift the meta more frequently, which is something I value.




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I'm also weary of organized play ships not being available for wide release, I expect that these ships will be made available down the road, but I can't imagine that much work going into playtesting and balancing only to have a handful of players benefit from the ships. The Ch'Tang would sell really well, so I'm not sure what they're thinking- but Wizkidz apparently has a track record of this kind of thing.

There are work arounds- such as allowing photocopied cards where the original is an OP prize- this levels out the playing field a bit.

Gordash wrote:
I also wish that they would have done a few things different with the models. I'd prefer for the smaller ships to be small bases and the larger ships- warbird, galaxy, Neg'Var to be large bases, but I understand that this would involve significant outlays in terms of cost to produce and time to manufacture- The game is good enough that I'd rather just have more options than blow your mind miniatures. I expect that as the community grows and purchases the ships that new sculpts will come down the road. It was a risky venture to begin with- new miniature games always are- and so I understand not wanting to throw money at new ships when their old ships are very serviceable.

X-Wing ships are nicer and better painted- but the range of ships available in Attack wing grows every three months- which is great for the game and will shift the meta more frequently, which is something I value.




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I'm also weary of organized play ships not being available for wide release, I expect that these ships will be made available down the road, but I can't imagine that much work going into playtesting and balancing only to have a handful of players benefit from the ships. The Ch'Tang would sell really well, so I'm not sure what they're thinking- but Wizkidz apparently has a track record of this kind of thing.

There are work arounds- such as allowing photocopied cards where the original is an OP prize- this levels out the playing field a bit.

I get where your coming from. My club got all over excited by x-wing, then being trekkies at heart, almost killed themselves with excitement when they heard about a star trek version. Few guys went mental with their credit cards. Then the models turned up in the post. . .

Personally I like the models, yes I have repainted my federation and my klingon ships but that's personal preference. I know one guy at club just posted his models straight back to where he bought them, a couple of other guys have had almost constant sulks about them, either the fact they aren't scaled properly or the paint jobs etc. Again, I don't mind. They aren't diecast collectors, showcase figures, they are wargame toys. I would prefer they had a little bit of a nod to scales, why make the enterprise prime so small but leave the defiant so massive? I've had to put up with abuse from a couple of other guys that my klingon ships aren't the right colour, I picked a dark green that I saw online, but again, these are my toys to play with. The green may not be exactly right but they aren't purple or blue or something completely wrong, so they can get over it.

I would also like the event ships to be general release and I hope they will be, but I understand if you win an event you deserve something good, and it won't be good if that special model you won is in the shops next month. The extra toys for attending make the events worth going to even if you aren't a top player.

ON the other hand keeping everything on the same base makes the game more simple to play and its simplicity is one of its strong points. My club won't play the millenium falcon in x-wing because they are convinced it over complicates the game or something. Not sure why, though.

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I love this game, why I over look the few issues it has. I prefer it to x-wing. . .

STOP WHAT YOUR DOING RIGHT NOW!!

Preview of the Koraga up on wizkids sight captains are worf & kern


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Ther is also a female crew member just like drex so now you can have 2 of them giving you battle stations.


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There is no picture of it but the text says it is coming with a KLINGON EM PULS,
it is a good day for the empire.

ZOMG. Alexander is crazy. Captain Worf is aggression done properly. It is a good day to die!


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I'm not sure on why its hull points are so high. These are supposed to be small ships aren't they?

It is nice to see the klingons getting some lower captains with really good abilities. Krell & Nu'Daq are ok but nothing to write home about. Chang is good if you build around him, and Gorkon is risky. Worf and Kurn both seem worth it.

Negvar, worf, drex oh yeah


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Also more cheap klingon captains are also going to mean less Donatra clones flying around and with more passive abilities like worf it is making the klingon swarm more playable.

Alexander would be nuts on the Enterprise with Picard- I'll have three actions per turn please and thank you.

Alexander's potential is huge and he is cheap. I think we will see him in a lot of lists. For 4 points I could see him on a romulan or dominion ship.


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with the generic kovort class coming in at 24 pts why would you really take Kronos One. Sure it has a defensive ability, but it is only at range 3. For the same price you get an extra hull on the kovort.


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It would be kinda fun to put Alexander on a ship with Mirok as captain. Take damage get a battle station, next round repair the damage. That could frustrate someone.

I dunno, I think the B'rel has more interesting cards than the K'vort.

Can't wait to see the Excelsior.

We've at least seen signs that there is no intention at this time to release the B'Rel cards outside of the OP prizes.

The cards from both have their use. I am all in favor of more variety. For a game that has only been out 3 months we are not really lacking in it. Though it would be better to see Donatra in fewer builds. But I already see a decline in the picard use around me so donatea will follow as things progress.

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I know I'm butting into the middle of a discusion here, but only one discusion thread does that.

Is anyone else disappointed about kronos one using the same model as the D7? Just seems a real shame that in the first wave we get a repeated model.
I have no doubt that as long as this game is supported for long enough we will have to see a lot of repeats, a lot of races ships are very similar between some classes, its always going to happen. In the first wave and with only 4 Klingon ships currently avaliable, though? Felt a little cheated when I got the model in the flesh and couldn't see any differences.

Are they using the same sculpts from the Star Trek Tactics Heroclix game? I haven't heard of any new sculpts.

Yeah as far as I am aware its just repackaged heroclix, although I thought I heard someone mention that there have been a couple of minor resculpts, but don't quote me on that one.

In February they will release the Gal Goth'Thong (romulan bird of prey from TOS). This is a brand new sculp for Atacck Wing, it has not been announced if it is comimg to heroclix. So they already have shown that there are new things in mind for the game.

Brand new sculpts for AW?? This could be very cool!

I hadn't heard that, but Baldrick is the resident breaking news guy for Attack Wing!

Always nice to hear a little love coming our way.
Keeps us hopeful for amazing new toys in the future.

There are several threads on Boardgamegeek about it, but check out one called "Star Trek Attack Wing Expansion Waves 1 through 3"

or just do a google search for attack wing wave 3 and you will find pics. Hopefully the model looks close to the picture because you can catch a little glimpse of the romulan bird desing on the bottom of the ship

But this sculpt has not been announced yet for clix so for now it is just something special for us attack wing fans. Hopefully it will come with the romulans first 8 or 9 skill captain.

Seen all the lists going up for op3 but what do you guys think this mission needs? What are you doing to tailor your fleets for this event? What are you looking for?
From what I've read having a 'spare' ship that can be used to attack the planet is a good idea, but the mission seems to be a bog standard game with a way of getting extra bonus campaign points rather than completely changing your gaming style like op2 did.

This is a little random, but I bought the RIW - Apnex the other day, and the front of the ship is glued on crooked... a looked at my friends Apnex and it looks completely fine.

Anyone know if Wizkids customer service will help me out?