So I have another update regarding the Gamezone debacle.
I made a PayPal refund request by canceling my order. At first Gamezone had a week to respond. They did not. I then escalated it further to PayPal, who gave them another week to respond. Like I suspected; no word from them. I got the money refunded by PayPal as they ruled in my favour.
This shows that it was yet another ploy to scam money from the original backers.
I suggest everyone who paid the additional 20ish€, also make a PayPal refund request. Maybe they will lose their PayPal account which would serve these scammers right imho.
Low_K wrote: So I have another update regarding the Gamezone debacle.
I made a PayPal refund request by canceling my order. At first Gamezone had a week to respond. They did not. I then escalated it further to PayPal, who gave them another week to respond. Like I suspected; no word from them. I got the money refunded by PayPal as they ruled in my favour.
This shows that it was yet another ploy to scam money from the original backers.
I suggest everyone who paid the additional 20ish€, also make a PayPal refund request. Maybe they will lose their PayPal account which would serve these scammers right imho.
I have tried a contact email just asking for a predicted shipping date. I'll give it a week and if no reply then I will take a similar route.
Low_K wrote: So I have another update regarding the Gamezone debacle.
I made a PayPal refund request by canceling my order. At first Gamezone had a week to respond. They did not. I then escalated it further to PayPal, who gave them another week to respond. Like I suspected; no word from them. I got the money refunded by PayPal as they ruled in my favour.
This shows that it was yet another ploy to scam money from the original backers.
I suggest everyone who paid the additional 20ish€, also make a PayPal refund request. Maybe they will lose their PayPal account which would serve these scammers right imho.
I just went for the "screw those guys" option.
I have enough games that I already don't play (this was not the case when the crowfunder launched ), with more on the way. Sure, it's money lost, but I've finally had enough of being a sucker.
Dave, I love you. You are a wonderful human being for posting here.
I just happened to find the only copy at a local GameStopthis week(of all places). I might actually try this out against my family for the first quest.
DaveC wrote: The Frozen Horror expansion preorders have started to appear.
Release date Q3 2022
Price £35 to £40
Contents
Female Barbarian (new sculpt)
The Frozen Horror
12 Mercenaries
3 Ice Gremlins
2 Polar Warbears
2 Yetis
2 Ice themed doors
35 cards
3 tiles
6 combat dice (ice themed but same as normal combat dice)
2 Movement dice
Character Pad
So how close is this actually to the Barbarian Quest pack?
I actually owned both the Against the horde (ogre?) expansion and the barbarian quest pack back in the days, but i cant recall much of its contents.
> I actually owned both the Against the horde (ogre?) expansion and the barbarian quest pack back in the days, but i cant recall much of its contents.
Still have yet to play Barbarian pack
Spoiler:
but my friend noted that the solo quest has the big bad grab the barbarian and doesn't let go, so once he grabs you, that's it. Although he's also the same guy who couldn't believe how many body points the ogres had.
For anyone else who is doing the same as me of holding on to a forlorn hope of Gamezone coming through (basically Wylie Coyote holding up a tiny umbrella while about to be crushed by a giant boulder) I got a response from their CS department.
I had asked for when the delivery of the HQ game was likely to happen. They couldn't give a date but said they are finalising an announcement which will provide information. No mention of when this will come.
Re Gamezone HQ get your chargebacks in now it's not happening. See the Darkstone thread for details
They've been spinning people along with non committal responses or blaming Hasbro. A backer contacted Hasbro and they confirmed that Ludofilia have not yet exercised the option to purchase any of their HQ and they do not expect them to. Ludofilia have since responded to others that they did place the order - I wonder whos' lying? ah well fool me twice and all that at least the chargebacks in, I guess they tried to spin it out beyond the 120 days.
(wonder if it's actionable in court or could be added to whatever court stuff i seem to rememeber was going slowly on? Perhaps worth sombody in the right country sending an email?)
Aitor: "In our last episode, Ludofilia claimed they had a partnership with Hasbro. That turned out to be an exaggeration, but not a lie. Of course there was no partnership, but Hasbro itself confirmed that they offered Ludofilia a "one time deal" to sell them copies of HeroQuest (the new Hasbro edition) at a discounted price, so that Ludofilia could fulfill their pending promises with its backers. Then Ludofilia offered to all its backers the following deal: after paying €20, instead of receiving the promised Tsuequest, they would receive instead a copy of the new HeroQuest by Hasbro. Everyone assumed that this had to do with the Spanish HeroQuest trademark struggle: Ludofilia lost their Spanish trademark to Hasbro, so maybe this is what they got in return. We also assumed €20 was the price Ludofilia had to pay to Hasbro for each of those copies. Even if the AAHQ25A victims association recommended not to take that deal, many backers did and paid those €20. The tricky part was that Heroquest copies had to be delivered by Ludofilia, not by Hasbro. Then a lot of time passed with no news.
So Hasbro did offer Ludofilia a special deal to sell them HeroQuest copies at a discount, but eventually, Ludofilia chose not to buy any of them. And Hasbro thinks they won't do so in the future, either. This means Ludofilia never grabbed discounted Heroquest copies from Hasbro, so they cannot send them to backers in exchange for their Tsuequest rewards. But then... what happened with all those €20 paid to Ludofilia for the exchange to happen? This looks terrible. An explanation from Ludofilia is urgently needed. But... we're talking about Ludofilia. They are still under radio silence. In fact, in the article from JugamosTodos, they remember us that the release date for the exchange has expired (it was Q1 2022). Ludofilia talked about a delay, then promised an explanation that never happened. If any of you got into that €20 deal, my recommendation is to check if you are within the coverage period of your payment method, and ask Ludofilia what is happening."
Ludofilia: "According to that, I can tell you the HeroQuest order to Hasbro is already done and right now we are waiting to check if there's material in the warehouse or they have to produce every unit ordered. Unfortunately, we are not familiar with the hierarchy of that company, so we don't know which are the waiting times we will be having."
Gamezone statement - lots of words with no proof that either Tseuquest is actually off to print or that they ordered the Hasbro game - just another stalling tactic. They have at least finally removed the exchange option that apparently closed in December (but didn't).
odinsgrandson wrote: So just to be clear, it looks like No One who took the exchange for the Hasbro game has received said Hasbro game. Right?
Correct per Gamezones latest update they have said they will not be shipping any Hasbro exchanges until Tsuequest is shipped (whenever that might be) that's not what the original offer implied - while there was no set shipping date the closure date for exchanges implied a quick turn around not 7 or 8 months later or whenever we get enough money in.
I've received the money back from Paypal. Gamezone were in contact asking me to hold tight on the exchange as they had now ordered the exchange (no proof provided) - it's a standard email sent to anyone looking for a chargeback. I made it clear I wanted my money back and I expect Tseuquest when it's shipped per the original pledge (not that I expect to see it anytime soon). At the end of the day I'm no worse off than I was.
Heroquest is 40% off on the US Hasbro Pulse until Monday - the deal is 40% off anything over $75 so HQ qualifies automatically and would be $81 after discount. If you also add the expansions they would also be 40% off (but not on their own). Get all 3 for $122 - less than HQ is normally on it's own. Discount applied at checkout.
HQ Return of the Witch Lord spotted for Prime Day, July 12-13. Prices are not Prime Day prices. IIRC, You can sign up for a trial period, buy from the sale, then cancel the trial.
As many of you already know, Ludofilia posted photos of freshly printed empty Tsuequest boxes. Like this:
From FB
There was no further explanation attached, so I waited some days to see if more info could appear. But it didn't, and the Darkstone thread has started to digress. So I'm bringing here the little Darkstone cleared up about it:
Those photos aren't fake, in the sense they are not photoshopped nor staged. That is probably LudoFact, the german printer Ludofilia announced they would print with. That would explain why in some of the photos we can see piles of games from other publishers. Most probably Ludofact took and sent these photos to Ludofilia and Ludofilia disclosed them for a confidence boost. Darkstone users reminded us that Ludofilia is still selling Tseuquest preorders in their online shop and preordering the game unlocks bonus stuff.
Also, if Ludofilia paid for this printing, those boxes (and the rest of the cardboard from LudoFact) will probably travel to Seville and be ensembled into complete copies of Tsuequest. Don't know who's gonna pay for it, but I don't know either who paid for the printing of the boxes.
So, is that it? Is the "Spanish Heroquest" going to be made, albeit with another name and different system? Well, some people are believing that, you can believe that too, but now comes the skeptic part.
A year ago, Darkstone user Sevilla came with the rumor that Ludofilia was trying very hard to make a small print run of the game, in order for the game to exist before the trial ended. According to him, this could boost Dionisio's position both in the trial and in the trademark struggle with Hasbro. The chapter of the trademark already ended, so that didn't happen, but having some copies of your game existing, or even being reviewed by influencers would mean you could not be a scammer, wouldn't it? (at least judging by common sense, as IANAL)
Source
But after the trial, Ludofilia would have to keep producing copies of the game to: fulfill all its backer rewards and, gain enough money to make up for all the publicly disclosed debt we know about.
Is that really going to happen? How many copies have they printed already, and in which hands are they going to end? Shops first? Members of the victims association first? Inner circle and youtubers first? Who's gonna promote the game? The most loyal influencers to Dioni already jumped off ship...
And even if Sevilla is completely wrong and Ludofilia goes full good intentions and rainbows, and keeps printing copies like crazy, would they be able to sell enough of them in the current market? Only time will tell.
There is that! Though I’m surprised they have any paying backers left. It’s been so long, and they’ve been so full of hollow promises you think folk would’ve clawed their money back by now.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: There is that! Though I’m surprised they have any paying backers left. It’s been so long, and they’ve been so full of hollow promises you think folk would’ve clawed their money back by now.
The problem is they won’t give refunds (not that they have the money to) and by the time it became clear there was an issue the charge back option was long gone so if you backed you just have to hang on and see if you get something some day. They even tried to use the fact that the majority of backers had stayed as part of their defence - yes because they had no other choice!
I’ve long since bought Hasbro’s HQ but I’ll still be in line for what I’m owed by Gamezone and that was made very clear to them when I got my charge back for the swap offer.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: But….why would you want that one, when the real McCoy is out, accessible and pretty damned fantabulous?
I didn't back it at the time, but came much closer to backing that than I did picking up the new Hasbro version. Mostly because teenage me very much enjoyed Hero Quest, but 30-something me considers the gameplay quite shallow, boring and repetitive. Something with the feel and style of what I liked as a kid, updated with a modern gameplay system, was appealing.
If this ever comes out, maybe it'll still be that. But it's not going to come out.
Preorder is also up on Amazon. Frozen Horror pre-orders through Amazon delivered weeks earlier than the official release date is the only reason I recommend that over HasbroPulse, I already put in mine for Heir of Elethorn yesterday
Nice although I do find the alt sculpts of the furniture an odd choice - still hoping for Against the Ogre Horde at some point at least now there will be one Ogre design.
The Mage of the Mirror will include a Quest Book featuring 10 quests, 33 finely detailed miniatures, and 35 game cards that will expand the game for both Zargon and the heroes. This expansion is expected to release in the Spring of 2023 and requires the HeroQuest Game System to play (sold separately).
Really great to see that Heroquest has survived past the milestones of Crowdfunding, then retail, then release of most crowdfunded add-ons, and now what looks like multiple additional expansions.
Ah, so Mage and the Mirror has the knight's sarcophagus and weapon rack from the original HQ. Honestly, I would buy this just for the plastic. Some good looking sculpts!
Shouldn't the specters attack Mind rather than just a red die roll? Seems like a missed opportunity there to me.
But I won't turn down an opportunity for more monsters (or heroes). In fact, I've been going through my old 1E MM for good candidates to stat up in HQ. I just now need some guinea pigs to test them on...
Also, has there been any word they'll do the Wizards of Morcar at some point that I may have missed?
No word yet, they have confirmed they have the rights to all expansions but WoM and Against the Ogre Horde were based on the European ruleset whereas the rerelease and all expansions to date are based on the US rules so they would have a tweak them to fit the current rules - also Morcar is Zargon in the US version so the expansion would need a name change.
Apparently the original Wizard Quest pack which is the US version of WoM was well developed but never released and the Dwarf Quest was less so, Avalon Hill have these versions so they might develop them rather than rework WoM and ATOH.
TL: DR - Spanish version to ship in September/October other languages by Christmas
Looking at Darkstone the case was up in court on the 7th of June when the prosecution presented the indictment and are seeking to take the criminal process to the next phase. The defendant then had 10 business days after notification to respond failure to do so means it proceeds to trial. Instead they announced that the Spanish version would begin shipping sometime in September/October. Basically a stalling tactic by Dionisio to delay the prosecution. He may well try to ship a few Spanish versions by September/October so he can say look I tried but I think the prosecution will proceed as he's tried this before and still nothing has shipped.
I’m far from a man that is penny wise. And I’ve generally little problem spending money on frivolous amusements. But I still object to coughing up and getting nothing.
And if the Backer Pledges are made and ready? Y U No Sned?
I love the additions we're getting, but I'm secretly afraid we're going to end up buried in add-ons. At some point, I'm going to have to stop - I just don't have the space for endless additions to the game.
Stormonu wrote: I love the additions we're getting, but I'm secretly afraid we're going to end up buried in add-ons. At some point, I'm going to have to stop - I just don't have the space for endless additions to the game.
That pretty much sums up my feelings too; I think I have enough add-on content to last me until retirement! Each one is pretty cool though.
Stormonu wrote: I love the additions we're getting, but I'm secretly afraid we're going to end up buried in add-ons. At some point, I'm going to have to stop - I just don't have the space for endless additions to the game.
This is usually my approach to games as well but Ithink I'm going near-completionist for HQ. Not going to try to hunt down the Ltd Ed Knight, but I'm going to try to get everything that comes out in regular release.
Stormonu wrote: I love the additions we're getting, but I'm secretly afraid we're going to end up buried in add-ons. At some point, I'm going to have to stop - I just don't have the space for endless additions to the game.
This is usually my approach to games as well but Ithink I'm going near-completionist for HQ. Not going to try to hunt down the Ltd Ed Knight, but I'm going to try to get everything that comes out in regular release.
Good news in that case, the knight comes in the Dread Moon expansion, so you can get it that way without the scalper price.
Ye Olde Inn is great, but I think their issue is there's already too much content for them to finish.
I'm in the same boat as Eilif, gonna collect all the official stuff except the limited edition packs. I'm not at all fussed about the mat & dice set from Gencon, it's just dice. The storage space issue is real, I've already removed everything from the boxes into Feldher foam trays, but that won't fit the new Dread Moon stuff, let alone the new expansions that were leaked
Looking forward to see how Avalon Hill releases the previously Mythic-only quest books. I already own a Mythic Tier, but regular releases means they'll be added to the App and released as official PDFs in case anything happens to my original books.
If I ever get through all the expansions I have, I'll look into Ye Olde Inn and some of the other great fan content. I fully expect that even as I collect-it-all I may never get through all the official material. As a family we just finished the Main Quest Book and the bridge mission between Kellar's Keep, so there's a long way to go.
Stormonu wrote:
Good news in that case, the knight comes in the Dread Moon expansion, so you can get it that way without the scalper price.
Yep, I was very glad to see that. I think it's a nice gesture to fans. IIRC, they owned up to their mistake of making it such a limited release.
The last thing I went completionist for was Imperial Assault. That was a whole other level of crazy as far as how much there was to collect and I have only ever played one game of it! HQ seems much more manageable in terms of frequency of releases, much better value, and more likely to get played.
Nostalgia definitely got me with the first couple releases, but I was shocked by how basic the actual gameplay is. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, and as an adult now, my wife and I just got bored half-way through the first expansion.
In my memory, this game was what OG Warhammer Quest, or Shadows of Brimstone actually is. I loved the walk down memory lane, but can't imagine wanting three more boxes of the stuff.
Is this a good place to talk about the ongoing revelations about the unauthorized Hero Quest 25th anniversary edition that has now reached its own 10th anniversary without delivering?
A former employee has been answering questions frankly in a Spanish forum, and I think that's worth sharing.
odinsgrandson wrote: Is this a good place to talk about the ongoing revelations about the unauthorized Hero Quest 25th anniversary edition that has now reached its own 10th anniversary without delivering?
A former employee has been answering questions frankly in a Spanish forum, and I think that's worth sharing.
But should that be in another thread?
The old thread got locked and this is the replacement thread, so while the focus is on the Avalon Hill HQ I've posted Tuesquest news here from time to time without issue or complaint there's still a few backers around (myself included) that like to get updates when possible
> Is this a good place to talk about the ongoing revelations about the unauthorized Hero Quest 25th anniversary edition that has now reached its own 10th anniversary without delivering?
I'd post instead or also on BGG!
Amazon has Keller's Keep and Witch Lord for $15 each. IIRC, These sets only had more undead and greenskin mini's that are in the base game?
Amazon has Keller's Keep and Witch Lord for $15 each. IIRC, These sets only had more undead and greenskin mini's that are in the base game?
The miniatures are the same as the base game, yes. They also include some extra cards and tiles, and a couple of fancy doors, specific to the expansion missions
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Nostalgia definitely got me with the first couple releases, but I was shocked by how basic the actual gameplay is. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, and as an adult now, my wife and I just got bored half-way through the first expansion.
In my memory, this game was what OG Warhammer Quest, or Shadows of Brimstone actually is. I loved the walk down memory lane, but can't imagine wanting three more boxes of the stuff.
Agreed that hq is very basic especially if you have/play brimstone. One thing we like is the simplicity of the characters and gear. And the baddies are fairly straightforward.
I love brimstone but it gets downright spreadsheet time with darkstone, mutations, equipment in every slot and monsters that we have been fighting for six turns only to suddenly remember they cause start of the turn terror, dread, angst, fear, horror and general misgivings checks.
Yeah, this is where Ye Olde Inn really helps. Lots of resources there for a little deeper experience. At some point, you wonder if you should just be doing D&D (maybe with one of those GM-less oracles).
I have to say that the hq app is what sold me on the game. And I usually don’t like them. It makes solo possible and also makes the dm job either unnecessary if you want to play or way easier if you just want to dm.
If you have dice, you can pretty much play the game without the board if you wanted. It’s an awfully simple game compared to brimstone but sometimes you want something lighter
There's also Advanced Heroquest, which is a completely different game system but included rules for all the base Heroquest monsters and how to run the original quests. Rules are pretty easy to find online including a few fan renditions that add even more. It's basically one step below Warhammer Quest in terms of complexity but without needing to print out hundreds of cards and individual hero statcards, rulebooks and tokens
Advanced HQftw! Also, the original set's mini's sucked (oboy, 20 skaven of the same sculpt and they want you to buy the unique sculpts) so you're not missing anything from the physical game.
HeroQuest fans rejoice! The HeroQuest Dread Veil Dice Set and Scroll will be available to pre-order on Hasbro Pulse later today! Originally available as a gift with purchase at Gen Con 2023, this dice set and scroll mat combo will go live at 5 PM EST, but Hasbro Pulse Premium members get early access at 4 PM EST. This custom-made set of 6 dice feature a purple and turquoise swirl inside clear resin and come in a collectible carry tin, while the black scroll features the HeroQuest logo that unzips to carry your dice and can transform into a rolling surface. https://hasbropulse.com/products/hero-quest-the-dread-veil-dice-set-with-scroll-dice-mat-and-storage
They've said it's up to the UK and EU teams to decide if they'll sell the dice they've asked and hope they will but they can't make them as each location is independent.
The 2 expansions have been revealed, they are basically the Mythic Tier quests and alt sculpts in tinted clear plastic. Released date 18th December 2023.
These are Hasbro Pulse exclusive until the end of the year and won't go to retail until 2024.
EU preorders €34.99 each ( 2 cent under free shipping )
leopard wrote: Q: is there anything in Heroquest that expands the actual map board? (ala Advanced Heroquest, or even just a board that sits on the side?)
No but some expansions have tiles that sit over the board to change to layout slightly but by and large it's the same board. It's a 34 year old boardgame that they did very little to update with the new version so it is what it is (or was)
leopard wrote: Q: is there anything in Heroquest that expands the actual map board? (ala Advanced Heroquest, or even just a board that sits on the side?)
No but some expansions have tiles that sit over the board to change to layout slightly but by and large it's the same board. It's a 34 year old boardgame that they did very little to update with the new version so it is what it is (or was)
cheers, just wondered, have played the base game and for what it is, its not bad, pity GW haven't kicked the advanced version back into life
that said probably not hard to come up with more scenarios with an altered map
Historical HeroQuest did with Against The Ogre Horde, but if suuuuper hazy memory serves, it wasn’t properly part of the dungeon. Just the starting point for that adventure.
No but some expansions have tiles that sit over the board to change to layout slightly ...
It just occured to me that some of these could probably be used to link two boards together for a bigger dungeon layout... Might have to give that a try.
Firestorm has Ogre Horde listed for end of March release no further details out there - it hasn't been officially confirmed yet but I doubt they'd be doing preorders if it wasn't coming soon.
, pity GW haven't kicked the advanced version back into life
Though a completely different game, I'm fairly certain the Heroquest name, belongs to Hasbro. That, combined with the difficult and dated nature of the game make it far more likely that. GW would offer up a new version of Talisman or Warhammer Quest rather than AHQ.
, pity GW haven't kicked the advanced version back into life
Though a completely different game, I'm fairly certain the Heroquest name, belongs to Hasbro. That, combined with the difficult and dated nature of the game make it far more likely that. GW would offer up a new version of Talisman or Warhammer Quest rather than AHQ.
I do think that GW could make quite a bit of bank if they were to release "Classic" Warhammer Quest that took the '90s version and did some model redesigns like Heroquest has done.
Sadly, can’t see either of this happening. Aside from the licensing issues, the old AHQ models are…not good. 20 monopose, low detail, Skaven? No, not going to sell. And the system was kind of designed to be a platform for the old GW bits service, with lots of snippets on how to convert up your heroes and villains.
Finally, whether you did a new or old version, there’s an awful lot of card stock, which isn’t something GW can make in-house, which means they’d be taking a risk on how much to order.
Box cover for Against the Ogre Horde that's all that has been shown so far and a confirmation of a March 2024 release. Will also include an Arena mode and three newly designed additional quests.
A few preorder listings appeared for a new expansion “Jungles of Delthrak” (and were later removed although some are still up) to be released in Q3 2024 rumour is it’s a water based expansion with serpentine type enemies and may also use a variation of the abomination enemy.
The greatest thing about HeroQuest is those of us in the UK finally able to get the Elf and Barbarian quest packs without having to sell a kidney.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I’m getting the Dreadmoon Dungeon too.
Words cannot express how incredibly happy I am that HeroQuest returned. Classic for a reason, and I’m super chuffed it seems to have a market well beyond nostalgic grognards.
Have been playing through the base set at the local gaming club, going down well so far.
currently using some printed wood crates as corridor blockers, need to sort some proper stone marker blocks out as the card ones blend in a bit too well.
have, but have yet to use the expansions, though one or two players have had that "how many skeletons!" moment seeing them in the box
really loving "Social Justice Orc" and her mates too
I've found that after painting / priming, it's easier to see the (blech) mold lines. What I actually do is, since I paint at night, prime with colored primers (eg. Vallejo, Stynylrez). Prime, find another mold line I missed, repeat. Colored primers get you closer to basecoating than white and black primers, but lack zenithal priming. I paint to advanced tabletop, so don't miss zenithal priming...
I just washed them in warm water. The mold lines were noticible, but the figures are pretty nice for a boardgame, and the plastic took paint really well.
Overall, I’m impressed with the product quality. Though, the cardboard bits for the Elf are about half the thickness of the other cardstock I have for the game.
Now to drum up some Nerds and get our spelunking on.
Thanks Dave - I may have gone overboard, but was birthday and Christmas money left over - I now have all the expansions including the 2 new ones. Just waiting for the Monk release and the Ogre Horde. There is a video on YouTube also for a AIDM that can also be used with homebrew adventures. I’ll see if I can find it
Looks like a bit of added content over the original, as well, as that just came with the Ogres and some tiles. So it now has more monsters (and goblins with boomerangs!) and what appears to be a male and female druid. The wolf is presumably for their animal form, and also doubles as the Good Boy companion from the Frozen Horror.
That looks like some really cool content! Also ranged models add a different feel to combat, for sure.
I plan on running some games for my kids using my original core set (and Kellers Keep), and if it takes, I may end up rebuying the new Core Set and some of the better expansions.
insaniak wrote: Looks like a bit of added content over the original, as well, as that just came with the Ogres and some tiles. So it now has more monsters (and goblins with boomerangs!) and what appears to be a male and female druid. The wolf is presumably for their animal form, and also doubles as the Good Boy companion from the Frozen Horror.
The bow-armed guys I think are just meant to represent some monsters from the original - a number of orcs were described as being 'armed with crossbows' (usually behind a pit trap) but you just used the regular models for them. Now they have WYSIWYG!
Infiltrating an arena is new though, that wasn't part of the plot of the original expansion, so maybe we're having some altered Quest content?
SUPER high demand for Ogre Horde. Keep checking Amazon, they remove the listing when it sells out and re-post it when stock comes in, it's been in and out a lot the last few days, sometimes multiple repostings per day. I finally caught a posting yesterday morning and have it coming in tonight, other people on Ye Olde Inn already have it
My copy of Ogre Horde has arrived! Briefly nosed into the box, and these are my immediate thoughts.
Card stock is pretty thin. Thick enough that with care it’ll be fine. But probably won’t stand up to an enthusiastic kid.
Models are really nice, and adding ranged attacks to the monsters ought to change things up a bit. However, the Ogre Champion seems to have really soft detail. Probably nothing a sharp paintjob can’t correct, but I am left wondering if perhaps mine is a slight miscast? It seems complete, but as if it missed maybe half a militmetre of plastic injected.
Ogres are huge. Easily larger in stature than the GW ones.
There's a list of Avalon Hill EAN codes that's doing the rounds - it's an official list and includes Jungles of Delthrak and another expansion called First Light, no other details yet.
can see one or two of the natives loving (not) the rule allowing Zargon to drop in the ranged attack orcs, gobbos & skellies in place of the normal ones.
won't always matter but will make a challenge for the usual room clearing "by the book" method when some of the baddies can back off and still be dangerous
leopard wrote: can see one or two of the natives loving (not) the rule allowing Zargon to drop in the ranged attack orcs, gobbos & skellies in place of the normal ones.
won't always matter but will make a challenge for the usual room clearing "by the book" method when some of the baddies can back off and still be dangerous
It also gives the Zargon player more interesting considerations when deploying monsters in a room, and means the Wizard and other “soft” characters can just duck behind piece of scenery to limit the number that can attack them.
Of course, the aim is for a fun, and close game. So it’s down to the Zargon player not to use them just to get some cheap character deaths in.
Ranged monsters are a fun addition I think, though I'm surprised most Zargons allow the boring doorway fights. Though house ruling is required, the game begs for house ruling.
I feel as Zargon its my job to help the heros kill themselves through overconfidence and carelessness/stupidity
a trap never takes the last body point, have made it quite clear locally that just because you pushed the elf into the room and nothing triggered doesn't mean its "safe". likewise monsters won't go for the weakest unless they have high mind points
doorway fights have seen monsters refuse to cooperate except zombies & skellies
Easy E wrote: So, I have been painting through my Core set. I told myself that I will not buy any more add-ons until it is painted.
My FLGS now has the expansions on the shelf. Once I get the Core set done, which expansion should be the first one I buy and paint?
Which one adds the most interesting stuff to the Core set rules?
HeroQuest is an old game, and to me its expansions don't represent the more modern concept of 'expansions should add to gameplay.' Rather expansions are just more stuff, and if they had time they added new monster types and rules, because they're creative people and they could. But if I could only have one expansion out of the ones currently available, I'd pick Against the Ogre Horde, because it adds an ogre horde. And now also archers. But the original expansions Return of the Witch Lord and Kellar's Keep are something big HeroQuest fans should play through.
Also look at the selection of miniatures for use in other games. IIRC, only based on my original ancient sets (: Return of the Witch Lord and Kellar's Keep have more undead and orcs. which could be useful for Sellswords and Spellslingers or small armies?
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