Only Ragnar, Mentor and the Witch Lord are marked as "Limited Exclusives" to the campaign, so the alternate heroes will likely be available separately once it goes to retail, possibly online-only as a Pulse website exclusive once the game releases.
SamusDrake wrote: With a clearer mind after the crushing disappointment, crowd funding was not the way to go. Should have tested the waters with the core game first and done a proper international release. If it sold - which any fool knows it will - they could follow up with Return of the Witch Lord( the most popular expansion ) and then Kellars keep.
The UK would have been an easy sales victory as the game is practically synonymous with Games Workshop, where players are concerned. People can debate about the finer details of who owns the rights to the game, but to the game playing public it was simply MB Games and Games Workshop on the box. Whether GW were to be involved in the new edition or not, players would still make that connection through nostalgia alone.
It is without a doubt that Heroquest and Space Crusade boosted GW to super stardom in the games world back in the early 90s. Christ, even the girl next door had a copy and asked me "how does this s*** work?". And it didn't end at the tabletop neither - both games had home computer adaptations that rubbed shoulders with even the big name film licenses of the time. Heroquest even received the Return of the Witchlord expansion and both adaptations were well received.
I'm not going to speak for our european friends on how successful these two games were, but I do remember a trip to france( loved it ) and in the big department stores they had both games on display in glass cabinets near to those holding the all-conquering NES and top selling games of the time. It was strange seeing alternative art for Space Crusade, but do remember it well. Speaking of the NES there was a prototype of HQ made but for whatever reason was never released...
While time has moved on, Heroquest - at least - has an incredible legacy amongst players even today. Seriously, this feels like Disney finally getting the keys to LucasFilm and then crowdfunding Episode 7 for showing in America only...
Sigh...
...oh well...anyone up for a game of Hungry Hippos?
Great post, I wholeheartedly agree.
You do have to wonder just how competent some of the people are running these businesses (or just perhaps myopic) to miss such an obvious open goal as a, at the very least, an EU release.
I would be very surprised if it doesn't happen eventually but it will miss that hype/KS mania that you get with releases like these, where people go mental and pledge hundreds (and way more than they would have done when buying at retail release).
As it stands I've got Arcadia Quest for my 'lite' dungeon crawler/fun game. Dungeon Universalis looks great as a heavyweight alternative which I will probably pledge for instead, money which I think otherwise would have been spent on this release.
Well, I'm gonna disagree that HQ was a shoe-in in other countries. Trademark-squatting alone opens a potential headache for whatever suit was willing to risk his job over getting his company into a potential IP lawsuit. He'd have to convince other international departments that HQ would sell well. Sure, it's a nostalgia trip for hobby gamers, but outside of the hobby market, it's a game that hasn't been in print for 30+ years, with no proof that it will sell. Hasbro already has its WotC division pumping out D&D-themed dungeoncrawlers, and they have a track record of selling, while HQ does not. HQ has no D&D branding to carry its name, and Hasbro already has miniature-laden dungeoncrawlers that are selling.
Crowdfunding is *far* better than a retail release. Crowdfunding puts the risk on the consumer, and the publisher gets both their money up front and knows exactly how many copies will sell. With a retail release, it's entirely guesswork for a 30+ OOP game with no track record -- particularly one with a $100 price tag. AFAIK, Hasbro has *no* experience with expensive hobby games, and no desire to enter that market. They could guess based on the D&D system games, but, then, why put out another dungeoncrawler only popular with a subset of hobby gamers, when they have the D&D game systems? I doubt they're leaving money on the table, since it's picked up by their other D&D brands.
EDIT: Good to see these 3rd parties fill in the import gap to overseas countries. This relieves Hasbro of any international distribution IP headaches. When Americans wanted Gamezone's HQ25 to be imported, we speculated how Chaosium could have exercised their IP rights in customs to seize copies of the game entering the USA because they owned the trademark *and* the owner, Greg Stafford, a history of defending them. (It wasn't clear what Hasbro would or could do, and we never found out because the game was never made).
Hopefully it's more than UK but even if it's not I can get it delivered via Northern Ireland. Well that's one less Mega Gargant being bought at the weekend.
zanzibarthefirst wrote: Sold out already on Zaavi so you’ve missed your chance if you wanted it
According to this video that might be because the page has only just gone up and is going to be updated tomorrow. Bit strange as it does indeed say "Sold out" and would have expected "Not yet available" if that were the case...
...but do keep in mind that even the Hasbro Pulse date has yet to expire for another month, so its definitely worth checking back tomorrow.
Great to see Zavvi have taken that step - it's expensive with the 1:1 dollar to GBP conversion, but I guess that is covering shipping.
ced1106 wrote: Well, I'm gonna disagree that HQ was a shoe-in in other countries. Trademark-squatting alone opens a potential headache for whatever suit was willing to risk his job over getting his company into a potential IP lawsuit. He'd have to convince other international departments that HQ would sell well. Sure, it's a nostalgia trip for hobby gamers, but outside of the hobby market, it's a game that hasn't been in print for 30+ years, with no proof that it will sell. Hasbro already has its WotC division pumping out D&D-themed dungeoncrawlers, and they have a track record of selling, while HQ does not. HQ has no D&D branding to carry its name, and Hasbro already has miniature-laden dungeoncrawlers that are selling.
Crowdfunding is *far* better than a retail release. Crowdfunding puts the risk on the consumer, and the publisher gets both their money up front and knows exactly how many copies will sell. With a retail release, it's entirely guesswork for a 30+ OOP game with no track record -- particularly one with a $100 price tag. AFAIK, Hasbro has *no* experience with expensive hobby games, and no desire to enter that market. They could guess based on the D&D system games, but, then, why put out another dungeoncrawler only popular with a subset of hobby gamers, when they have the D&D game systems? I doubt they're leaving money on the table, since it's picked up by their other D&D brands.
I struggle to think of a previously released board game that would be such a safe release, in the UK at least.
It's very anecdotal but I honestly don't know any of my wargaming or boardgaming friends that didn't own Heroquest (usually Space Crusade too) or go "wow yeah Heroquest!" when you start talking about it. Even non-boardgaming friends too (I had a friend message me about the news on this release because he had read it somewhere), I think it really was that big and transcended the normal boundaries of the hobby.
I think (but am not sure) it was instrumental in GW growing in size a lot at that time and becoming the company it is today.
Legal/trademark wise, you would have to think Hasbro should have a proper team that could rationally make a decision on non-US release (who knows, this might actually be why they haven't done it?)
More so than Gamezone anyway which had the feeling of a few guys in a portacabin winging it and not really knowing what would happen, then the guy that owned the rights in the US, and as far as I can tell was basically Rumplestiltskin, hopping around angrily, and whose only purpose in life was to stop people having fun and would intercept the parcels coming into the US personally.
Hopefully it was the legal or translation issues which stopped Hasbro because if not in my view they've missed out on one of the easiest meal tickets in modern wargaming/boardgaming history.
Showing as available to pre-order on the UK site now but the German site is gone. Not ordering from the UK site until they clarify that it's UK and Europe shipping.
It lists UK and EU shipping. Payment taken 9th November. I'll order from the UK if the German site doesn't relist any Brexit issues are a problem for next year.
Its good to have more countries involved in the Crowdfunder, at least.
I personally steer clear of CFs because I have seen far more negatives than positives. Not necessarily tabletop projects but those in general, and thankful I never jumped on board the crowfunding train in the first place. In all cases it was very tempting - I'll give them that - but usually its been too much for backers in the long run.
Given another 3-4 weeks, I might reconsider. At the moment theres other good things to lap up which I would be ignoring for something that could be delayed until 2022. GF9's ALIENS looks great and would be £90-odd including the expansions. And there is the possibility of a new GW board game in the lead up to Christmas, but nothing hinted at just yet...
I'm going to wait for the retail release, I think this raises too many questions with not enough satisfying answers at the moment. The models' material has been announced?
SamusDrake wrote: And there is the possibility of a new GW board game in the lead up to Christmas, but nothing hinted at just yet...
HasLab doesn’t tend (in my limited knowledge) to wind up as a stock item.
So, not only is this not going to be an outside-US release, it's also not going to retail?
Jesus wept..
U.K., EU, Australia and New Zealand now have official retailers to order it through.
As for not becoming a stock item - that’s based solely on my limited knowledge of the Khetenna (Jabba’s Sailbarge). When that completed, there weren’t many, if any, produced for stock.
The orc bard looks like 3million
Regardless since they just opened this up to more countries. I fully expect to blow by the 3million mark... let’s hope they have a few more stretch goals planned.
I haven’t purchased it yet but I plan to as well. Having a few dozen more minis and quests to use them makes it a better deal.
Strange to see such big changes during the course of the campaign; you'd have thought someone in a company this size might have come up with this kind of stuff beforehand, and gotten it organized prior to launch.
Still, good to see things becoming a bit more sensible.
Not strange at all considering the VAST majority of the last 12 pages in just this thread alone are people complaining they can't get it. All the negative buzz has completely drowned out the little positive buzz, there's a post or 2 about how excited we are it's coming back then 20 complaint posts from UK/EU/Oz members. I'd assume that is indicative of Hasbro's social media feed, because they went from saying nothing to saying "it'll be out in EU in 2022" to just opening it up completely to Oz and EU via partnerships.
I'm betting the initial NA campaign was intended as a test to see if it was worth doing at all and it blew up more than they thought it would
Yeah I mean even the change on shipping to Canada shows that they are atleast listening and see there even more money to be had if they open it up more.
Now that the price is cheaper I'm probably going to end up getting it. Just waiting until there 48 hours left like I always do for crowdfunding.
I think that they had originally only posted goals up to about $2m was what they were assuming was their target endpoint. I don't think they had any idea that there would be a large non-US desire for this game.
I'll bet they based their initial numbers on a fraction of the sales numbers for the D&D board games like Wrath of Arshadalon and the like, and this is blowing out their initial expectations.
Stormonu wrote: I think that they had originally only posted goals up to about $2m was what they were assuming was their target endpoint. I don't think they had any idea that there would be a large non-US desire for this game.
I'll bet they based their initial numbers on a fraction of the sales numbers for the D&D board games like Wrath of Arshadalon and the like, and this is blowing out their initial expectations.
According to their PulseCon video (aired a few days after the Haslab launch), there are goals to at least $4m. The $4m goal is a quest book written by actor Joe Manganiello, which includes a new boss enemy figure.
Most of the new minis look stupid, but that's kind of par for the course on this campaign. The new heroes are just a kind of pat-on-the-head, "Good of you to try," thing for me. You never know when you'll need an NPC mini of a similar description though.
They definitely planned stretch goals through $4 million, though I don't know that they really had a clear vision of how much this would make, or that Hasbro brass cares a whit. But it's excellent that they found a way to start supplying it to people around the globe who want it.
I watch a channel on Youtube called Retroblasting about collecting toys, and he's done a couple videos about HasLab/Hasbro Pulse, basically noting their incompetence and inability to satisfactorily fulfill their core audience of toy collectors, and after watching that the way this campaign has been run is really no surprise whatsoever. Anybody pixelbitching the details of this campaign and thinking there's a team of dedicated, knowledgeable designers and lawyers behind all their decisions is probably wasting their time. It's likely all seat of their pants, half-thought through decisions by a largely disinterested toy company man.
Kalamadea wrote: Not strange at all considering the VAST majority of the last 12 pages in just this thread alone are people complaining they can't get it. All the negative buzz has completely drowned out the little positive buzz, there's a post or 2 about how excited we are it's coming back then 20 complaint posts from UK/EU/Oz members. I'd assume that is indicative of Hasbro's social media feed, because they went from saying nothing to saying "it'll be out in EU in 2022" to just opening it up completely to Oz and EU via partnerships.
I'm betting the initial NA campaign was intended as a test to see if it was worth doing at all and it blew up more than they thought it would
During the Hasbro PulseCon livestream, every 5th post was "WORLDWIDE SHIPPING" or something similar. I think they finally got the message (or maybe they'd planned for it? Hmm. That might be generous)
Kalamadea wrote:Not strange at all considering the VAST majority of the last 12 pages in just this thread alone are people complaining they can't get it. All the negative buzz has completely drowned out the little positive buzz, there's a post or 2 about how excited we are it's coming back then 20 complaint posts from UK/EU/Oz members. I'd assume that is indicative of Hasbro's social media feed, because they went from saying nothing to saying "it'll be out in EU in 2022" to just opening it up completely to Oz and EU via partnerships.
I'm betting the initial NA campaign was intended as a test to see if it was worth doing at all and it blew up more than they thought it would
That was my point. I'm not surprised they opened it up beyond the USA (yes, Canada was technically possible but prohibitively expensive at the start) after receiving tonnes of negative feedback, but I'm surprised they couldn't have anticipated this situation.
frankelee wrote:I watch a channel on Youtube called Retroblasting about collecting toys, and he's done a couple videos about HasLab/Hasbro Pulse, basically noting their incompetence and inability to satisfactorily fulfill their core audience of toy collectors, and after watching that the way this campaign has been run is really no surprise whatsoever. Anybody pixelbitching the details of this campaign and thinking there's a team of dedicated, knowledgeable designers and lawyers behind all their decisions is probably wasting their time. It's likely all seat of their pants, half-thought through decisions by a largely disinterested toy company man.
Had never heard of Hasbro Pulse before this (probably precisely because it has been limiting itself to the USA before now), but that sounds strangely believable. Anyone with some background in or knowledge of gaming would have known a Heroquest relaunch would be popular, including in Europe.
I’m broadly on the fence about them. Whilst they’re perfectly good renders, they’re just a bit too far out from my solid Hero Quest nostalgia.
After all, I’m only used to the main four, plus the Men-At-Arms from Wizards of Morcar (might’ve been Against the Ogre Horde?). So perhaps that causing some internal prejudice, as I’ve no qualms at all about the rest of it?
It’s still live, and provided you like the main sets sculpts and that? Get your pledge in. Because it’s the Mythic Tier I was sold on. So everything isn’t even gravy. It’s side dishes and that.
Waiting until either an EU distributor is revealed or failing that it will be a last day backing of the UK Zavvi option (shipped via Northern Ireland).
I've been looking at getting a copy of Heroquest for a couple of years, part of my "Maybe the kids will want to play tabletop games with their dad" plan.*
Missed out on it, back in the day because I was gaming snob, even in the late 80s - I had WFRP and AD&D. Didn't need a kids game, did I? Idiot that I was...
It's not as if I'm in a big rush to get a copy, especially as the (hopefully) decent copies go for £100-ish anyway. This is the same price as the swanky new one, so why not just get the new one? The renders of the minis alone make me think that I'd be really disappointed with the original, by comparison.
This game is pushing all the right buttons with me - I don't need it to be a super complex and involved 21st century dungeon crawl, once we've moved past it, I can break out the small mountain of Dungeon Saga stuff that I've got.
* Fully aware that this plan has no right to succeed; partially because I'm not a pushy parent and partially because I've learned that no cunning plan involving children is going to go in the direction that I thought it would.
I've decided to hold off until the final 5 days and if everything is quiet on other fronts, I'll probably take the leap.
Been giving it some thought of late, but given the maps and special conditions I feel some confidence in writing an Android app to provide solo play. Room layouts, monster placements and room searches. It would also be cool for writing new quests too...
...and dammit, I need to get back into the swing of programming!
> I've been looking at getting a copy of Heroquest for a couple of years, part of my "Maybe the kids will want to play tabletop games with their dad" plan.*
Not the only kid's dc out there. I found Quest Kids and there's a free Dungeoncrawl ruleset (search on BGG) if you have game tiles and mini's. WotC is also releasing an boargamey intro to D&D game. Then, if you RPG, there's always the D&D Starter sets. Lots of content for under $20.
Got to admit that although I don't actually play D&D beyond the Ravenloft board game, I still enjoy collecting and reading the D&D books, and other RPG games. I feel like I'm in the same boat as Grandpa from the Lost Boys...
"I just like to read the TV guide. If you have the TV guide then you don't need a TV!"
I like the current druid too. They wanted a succulent themed druid so wearing giant agave leaves makes alot of sense to me and will sell the idea alot better then the lone succulent in the hair you will barely see.
Hoping we get to 2.8m by end. I like the hammer orcs and femmummies. Had hoped we'd potentially see extra dread warriors and abominations past 3m but cant see it happening now.
rox wrote: Don't know how much I care for the new Abominations, but that Dragon looks nice, as do the Warriors and Sorcerer!
Those Abominations are in place of the Fimir, a change no doubt made to separate this from GW's IP, GW having made the original games minis. I'm definitely going to have to find some appropriately sized Fimir.
rox wrote: Don't know how much I care for the new Abominations, but that Dragon looks nice, as do the Warriors and Sorcerer!
Those Abominations are in place of the Fimir, a change no doubt made to separate this from GW's IP, GW having made the original games minis. I'm definitely going to have to find some appropriately sized Fimir.
I actually don't have a single problem with the change to the Abominations. I actually like the one they have been showing off with the base box. Not particularly a fan of the stretch goal one however, though that could change after seeing it in hand. The biggest issue for me is the posture. The one holding the spear/trident seems more dynamic. I would say I have the same problem with the gargoyle, but I don't think either of them have the best positioning. Past that, the transition away from GW IP does not both me, and I think they have done so appropriately with both the Abominations and Dread Warriors/Sorcerer.
Always Board Never Boring and Board Game Coffee got some samples. The miniature seems to be made of a very rubbery plastic there's a lot of bend in the axe head.
At first glance, it looks like the same plastic that the prepainted D&D miniatures are made out of, though the paint job is much better than I've seen on prepaints. I don't remember there being an option for getting the minis painted, so that's a nice little "collector's" item.
I hope the dice are as crisp as shown in the video - they look really, really good too. And that dice box is boss.
Hmmm, guess they did a trial batch to finalise the mould design and sent them out as promos? Because if they just wanted to send out promos from the render, you’d just 3D print it, surely?
DaveC wrote: Always Board Never Boring and Board Game Coffee got some samples. The miniature seems to be made of a very rubbery plastic there's a lot of bend in the axe head.
That's put me right off it, I would have preferred hard plastic. I'll wait for the finished product before handing any money over.
Frankly, it’s kind of alarming the way people are falling all over this, and the Haslabs Star Wars BS. People here have a good time ragging on GW, but they are small fry compared to the corporate greed and evil that emanates from Hasbro. They have no business at all running Kickstarter model projects for stuff they know will sell. Meanwhile they Scrooge McDuck in their billions, while you fund their no risk projects. They’re not your friends, and they would step over your dying corpse in the street if it would save them a penny.
NO product is guaranteed to sell (ask GW about Dreadfleet, for example), if they want to do a kickstarter-like program for a dubious boardgame, that's their business. It's not on Kickstarter anyways, they're running it from their own platform. If you think it's worth the price, invest in it. If not, stay away. It's a pre-order-plus system, nothing more. I think retailers would be smart to do this more often - we wouldn't see shelves cluttered with junk that won't sell so much.
I'm not Hasbo's friend, nor do I expect them to be mine. What I do want is for them to produce a product I will buy, at a price point I think is sane - and I feel that is what they are doing.
If that lets you sleep at night, so be it. Hasbro is vile for doing this, and I’m surprised people don’t need to immediately need to shower afterwards. And if GW was using this tactic, they’d get the same criticism. You’re going easy on a slimy business tactic. Expect more of the same, until you’re the one getting bitten. Then see how much they care about you and your support.
Hasbro is vile for providing a product boardgamers have been clamoring for 30-some years and meeting them halfway to provide them a hobby-level product -- when they could just spit out another Disney-branded Monopoly tie-in.
Yep Hasbro is doing the sensible thing. Provide a requested release via a means guaranteed to clearly succeed or fail rather than risk millions on something “everyone” wants only to see that it was a vocal internet minority not prepared to actually pay for it either - as has happened with some Transformers releases that the “community” (a term that, in fandom, rarely means what it should) demanded.
It’s a luxury. It’ll get a retail release eventually. Sure, for a lot of people £150 is a lot upfront especially before Christmas and during the current ongoing crisis. But, you only have to look at Kickstarter to see a lot of people throw far more money at projects by far lesser known companies.
Hasbro could have done the base game, no extras, for £150.
I guarantee some of the haters will be pushing up the eBay prices come release.
I don’t hate on GW, I just exercise my annoyance with their pricing sometimes by not buying , or finding the best deal or buying second hand.
£150 for a board game, plus at least two expansion packs and a metric ton of models that can be used for various RPGs (once we’re free to game again)? That seems like a pretty good deal to me.
And yes, there’s the question of “does a big company need to use crowd funding”, but if it’s the difference between getting a cool but financially risky product or not, then I’m all for it. Bear in mind that this is probably going to be getting a retail release afterwards, so this information will inform them as to how big a production run they do for that and how widely available they make it. I’d bet good money that they’re also looking at whether to make additional expansions further down the line and the level of popularity here will determine whether they think that’s worthwhile (hopefully yes, based on the current performance!)
Big companies chase big rewards for investment, they want the greatest potential return for the money they spend. So sometimes they have resources to do great things ,but won't do it because its too niche or the estimations of sales aren't in line with the profits. They'd rather spend that money on another Starwars board game or other product because that has a far higher chance of generating a greater profit than a 30 year old board game that "might" have a market.
Remember there's a big difference between what people want to buy and what people are willing to justify spending money on.
Crowdfunding is no different to pre-ordering save that it happens earlier in the process (typically but sometimes its done purely to generate capital for the orders). If anything a big name like Hasbro is a very safe project to back, far more so than Dave and Diana who are doing their first KS and making a brand new board game having never made one before.
Crowd funding might have started as a concept to allow smaller businesses to start new projects, but its equally valid for big firms to start niche ideas or even major projects. So long as they deliver everyone wins.
Also, they’ve got fully worked up designs for all of the elements and, given those promo miniatures, they’ve been doing some pre-production, so they’ve actually put a fair bit of investment in already. I guess this crowd funding is just to determine the size of production run.
Jadenim wrote: I guess this crowd funding is just to determine the size of production run.
I agree with that. The core of the game is already done and it's pretty much clear they're not touching it. Only the additionnal characters and quests are new stuff, the miniatures are just a different design.
Hasbro never needed a crowfunding for this game - which is why it's guaranteed to go to retail. It's just a question to probe the numbers, to me.
And yeah, they're no saints either. It's another nostalgia game preying on old people to relive their childhood and making money out of it, in the end. Yet it's still nice to see Heroquest again.
totalfailure wrote: If that lets you sleep at night, so be it. Hasbro is vile for doing this, and I’m surprised people don’t need to immediately need to shower afterwards. And if GW was using this tactic, they’d get the same criticism. You’re going easy on a slimy business tactic. Expect more of the same, until you’re the one getting bitten. Then see how much they care about you and your support.
There are a lot of vile things - and people in the world, but a toy company running a preorder on their own website is one. And of all the crap going on in the world, a toy preorder is probably the last thing that would keep me up at night. If it’s at the top of your list of worries, you’re living a charmed life in 2020.
Having thought long and hard about it, I've bailed on the crowdfunder.
The project seems to be well handled by Hasbro and Avalon Hill, and the value for £150 is impressive and probably worth the wait. The models are fantastic and quite frankly would have been blown away by them as a child. Sending out the "thank you" to channels is something to be commended, although I do hope that they have also sent one to Bardic Broadcasts for obvious reasons. Nothing but good will on that front.
That all said, it was the release I was hoping for this Christmas, not next Christmas. The only time I tie up money for that length of time is in shares. While it'll be a shame to miss out on the hero variants etc, so long as they eventually release the main game and the expansions - thats all I asked the universe for regarding Heroquest. For the time being, I have Castle Ravenloft that continues to scratch that itch, along with a Raspberry Pi acting as an Amiga with the excellent home computer adaptation of Heroquest and Return of the Witchlord installed. Also, I've decided to take the plunge with Blackstone Fortress and the odd expansion.
While I still believe that the game didn't need a crowd funder, there is a silver lining that is seeing what else beyond the core game that Hasbro & Avalon Hill have in store. We could have just received the core game with little idea if they would go as far as Return of the Witchlord and Kellar's Keep, nor the insight into what their thoughts were on additional models and heros. Whether the extra bits see the shelves or not at some point, we know from the start what they have in mind for Heroquest.
totalfailure wrote: If that lets you sleep at night, so be it. Hasbro is vile for doing this, and I’m surprised people don’t need to immediately need to shower afterwards. And if GW was using this tactic, they’d get the same criticism. You’re going easy on a slimy business tactic. Expect more of the same, until you’re the one getting bitten. Then see how much they care about you and your support.
I think you're overdramatizing the seriousness of the situation a smidge there, Mr. Failure. Your entire "Wake up, sheeple!" schtick is as tired as it is misguided. You're not some lone voice of reason in the wilderness.
As excited as I was for a HQ rerelease, that soft bendy plastic dwarf has my finger over the cancel pledge button.
For the price, these should be better quality plastic that’s at least a little firmer.
I feel like the only person that finds this alarming. That looks like cruddy Wizkids plastic to me. I might put my money elsewhere despite wanting this reprint for 30 years.
Ghool wrote: As excited as I was for a HQ rerelease, that soft bendy plastic dwarf has my finger over the cancel pledge button.
For the price, these should be better quality plastic that’s at least a little firmer.
I feel like the only person that finds this alarming. That looks like cruddy Wizkids plastic to me. I might put my money elsewhere despite wanting this reprint for 30 years.
I would only be concerned if I intended to paint them, as the bendy plastic could result in cracking the paint job.
Otherwise, the designs are fantastic compared to the originals and assuming they are similar to the soft-bendiness of the D&D tile-board game models, they are more likely to survive accidents.
> Remember there's a big difference between what people want to buy and what people are willing to justify spending money on.
Hooboy, that. Beasts of War (and other forums, of course) were up in pitchforks when Hasborg didn't have EU shipment. Then, when they did, they saw the price tag and said NOPE.
Yeah, I'd like to be -- er, know -- the suit who argues for EU sales then finds out that -- whoopsie -- that sales there are a lower ROI than NA. There goes the corner office, VP title, and Christmas bonus.
For large companies, it's not just a matter of making money. It's a matter of best allocating your company resources so you make the most money, know how much risk you're taking, and minimizing that risk. You get none of that listening to a vocal minority (unless they pay up front).
> I feel like the only person that finds this alarming. That looks like cruddy Wizkids plastic to me. I might put my money elsewhere despite wanting this reprint for 30 years.
In hindsight, it makes sense. At least in theory, said vocal minority said they'd be playing the game with their kids more often than painting them. I don't think Hasbro has much experience in high-quality plastics. Hopefully, you'll be able to find a copy of the original HQ at a more accessible price. HQ mini's paint up nicely, and can, of course, be proxied with more detailed miniatures.
Jadenim wrote: £150 for a board game, plus at least two expansion packs and a metric ton of models that can be used for various RPGs (once we’re free to game again)? That seems like a pretty good deal to me.
And yes, there’s the question of “does a big company need to use crowd funding”, but if it’s the difference between getting a cool but financially risky product or not, then I’m all for it. Bear in mind that this is probably going to be getting a retail release afterwards, so this information will inform them as to how big a production run they do for that and how widely available they make it. I’d bet good money that they’re also looking at whether to make additional expansions further down the line and the level of popularity here will determine whether they think that’s worthwhile (hopefully yes, based on the current performance!)
There's a two-edged sword with doing a retail release after a KSque entry - you run the risk most of your buyers got their copies through the KS, leaving only a small, non-profitable group to purchase the retail version. If you doubt this, just look at what happened with the Robotech KS.
> There's a two-edged sword with doing a retail release after a KSque entry - you run the risk most of your buyers got their copies through the KS, leaving only a small, non-profitable group to purchase the retail version. If you doubt this, just look at what happened with the Robotech KS.
*Which* buyers, though? HQ certainly would not be able to be sold at traditional big box stores. No way is Mom and Pop gonna spend $100+ on a boardgame for junior for Christmas, even if they'll do so for a console. It took a company like Asmodee to even bring $50 Eurogames to the shelves.
OTOH, I'm not familiar how Hasbro sells to collectors. I hear with the Star Wars merchandise, they can get collectors to jump through a lot of hoops.
As for Palladium, unless you're talking about the hardcore hobbyists as the target audience, I don't think is a good example to use with *this* crowdfunding project. The Robotech hardcore hobbyist target audience is not the same as Hasbro's casual toy buyer big box audience. You *are* correct that it's often the case that a KS and its retail market overlap, and I've read that some FLGS refuse to carry KS games in their stores.
Don't forget a KS can also flood a market with a lot of cheap products from resellers (either those who bought into it with that intention, or those who bought into it, wound up with too much and had to sell).
Because a lot of KS often provide the product at a much reduced rate, its possible to buy into the big ones and sell what you get and profit and still be selling less than retail. So the retail market ends up competing with a huge glut of stock on the secondhand market - all of which is brand new and cheaper. This can stall local sales, esp if, as noted above, the core market also bought heavily into the KS.
Whilst heavy discounts in KS help drive higher sales; they can also damage followup retail market sales.
Ghool wrote: As excited as I was for a HQ rerelease, that soft bendy plastic dwarf has my finger over the cancel pledge button.
For the price, these should be better quality plastic that’s at least a little firmer.
I feel like the only person that finds this alarming. That looks like cruddy Wizkids plastic to me. I might put my money elsewhere despite wanting this reprint for 30 years.
I would only be concerned if I intended to paint them, as the bendy plastic could result in cracking the paint job.
Otherwise, the designs are fantastic compared to the originals and assuming they are similar to the soft-bendiness of the D&D tile-board game models, they are more likely to survive accidents.
I’ve e been painting and playing with miniatures for over 35 years.
That was the intent. With any plastic it’s easy to avoid breakage - it’s plastic.
This soft rubbery crud they appear to be using here is the lowest end of the scale material.
And they’re asking a premium price for it.
If I can’t paint the stuff, or there isn’t much point due to the material, the value proposition drops off a cliff.
At least paying a premium I get a higher value for time vs dollars spent because of the painting time commitment.
Without that, it’s just another dungeon crawler flooding the already crowded genre. Only with shoddy plastic for their models.
Right, crummy materials, unresolved shipping details..Response of corporate slaves? Let’s throw more money at them and push this project they didn’t need to do in this manner over the ‘finish line’, so we feel less abused by hitting a few more generous stretch goals thoughtfully provided by our corporate greed masters
I’ve e been painting and playing with miniatures for over 35 years.
That was the intent. With any plastic it’s easy to avoid breakage - it’s plastic.
This soft rubbery crud they appear to be using here is the lowest end of the scale material.
And they’re asking a premium price for it.
If I can’t paint the stuff, or there isn’t much point due to the material, the value proposition drops off a cliff.
At least paying a premium I get a higher value for time vs dollars spent because of the painting time commitment.
Without that, it’s just another dungeon crawler flooding the already crowded genre. Only with shoddy plastic for their models.
Is the minature provided to testers even the final product? I doubt it..
If they plan for a full production run in these.. it is substantially cheaper for them to make HIPS..or injected plastic moulds for larger runs.....
Regardless there is no way this is hitting 4 million... maybe 3.4million.... they might give us the 3.6 million stretch goal if we get close tops..
I’m going to pledge for it in 2 days.. it’s a good box game at a decent price for the amount of stuff.. I would prefer to hit the 4million mark though..
It looks a lot like the rubbery quality of the minis provided in the europe produced parker dungeons and dragons fantasy adventure boardgame.
This was the only thing that hasbro SHOULDNT have emulated from that game.
So, i think there is an above average chance that this is final production quality. Not just because of game production precedence, but also because this is what was sent out to reviewers to show off.
Why would a muliti billion dollar corporation send out samples to reviewers to show off if they were not final production quality?
Thats really a shame if true, since that was the only negative thing about the above mentioned game. Ypu could paint the minis, but their durability is always questionable. I painted mine when i owned the complete set, and many of the minis had paint flaking issues. Significant issues.
Is there confirmation anywhere on what figures (and how many) will be included in the Kellar’s Keep and Return of the Witchlord expansions? Or doe we just have the pictures up on Haslab?
They confirmed the dwarf shown is a factory mini and it does bend as seen in the unboxing vids.
Completely avoided all the EU shipping questions.
On reflection I have better things to do with €180. If it ever gets an EU retail release I might look again with the benefit of product reviews, the mini material concerns me.
I have to say I was surprised that all 3 delivered such a "flat" sounding video. Even accounting for lack of experience and webcams. They didn't really sound enthusiastic or excited or anything really.
Granted it was an FAQ, but honestly if you're going to do a video at least try and make it a little bit exciting/enticing/entertaining otherwise just write it out
The model material is what forced me to drop my pledge.
Those minis aren’t worth the premium price they’re asking, and will be more trouble to paint due to the rubbery plastic.
For a multi-billion dollar company they sure cheaped out to try and cash in on the nostalgia.
For such a massive company, they have no idea how to market a premium board game product. When smaller companies can do a better job and provide a better quality product, why would anyone support this?
With just over a day left it’s hit the 3.2million pledge.. which means I’m sure this campaign will get the 3.4 million pledge stretch which are decent... not sure about anyother stretch goals though sad as the dragon would be cool.
Ghool wrote: The model material is what forced me to drop my pledge.
Those minis aren’t worth the premium price they’re asking, and will be more trouble to paint due to the rubbery plastic.
For a multi-billion dollar company they sure cheaped out to try and cash in on the nostalgia.
For such a massive company, they have no idea how to market a premium board game product. When smaller companies can do a better job and provide a better quality product, why would anyone support this?
You, sir, need to report to a re-education camp immediately to correct the negative tone of your message. You should be GRATEFUL that a billion dollar company is giving you the opportunity to take your money and produce a mediocre product with it in maybe a year or so. Why, if there are too many people with your careless attitude out there, Hasbro might actually have to use some of their own pocket change and a tiny bit of creativity to bring a product to market. We wouldn’t want that, would we? Far better you peons do all the work and take all the risks. We don’t like the idea spreading that Hasbro is morally and creatively bankrupt spreading out there. Expect the black helicopters and agents soon; for now our HasBROS on the message board will chastise you for not being with our grand plans.
Ghool wrote: The model material is what forced me to drop my pledge.
Those minis aren’t worth the premium price they’re asking, and will be more trouble to paint due to the rubbery plastic.
For a multi-billion dollar company they sure cheaped out to try and cash in on the nostalgia.
For such a massive company, they have no idea how to market a premium board game product. When smaller companies can do a better job and provide a better quality product, why would anyone support this?
You, sir, need to report to a re-education camp immediately to correct the negative tone of your message. You should be GRATEFUL that a billion dollar company is giving you the opportunity to take your money and produce a mediocre product with it in maybe a year or so. Why, if there are too many people with your careless attitude out there, Hasbro might actually have to use some of their own pocket change and a tiny bit of creativity to bring a product to market. We wouldn’t want that, would we? Far better you peons do all the work and take all the risks. We don’t like the idea spreading that Hasbro is morally and creatively bankrupt spreading out there. Expect the black helicopters and agents soon; for now our HasBROS on the message board will chastise you for not being with our grand plans.
I was wondering what that black helicopter was doing buzzing my house.
Nope on the material. I'll put that money into more Nemesis stuff when the pledge manager opens again, and check out the retail release of newold HQ, if it ever gets one.
Im delighted it shot up that high. Was a point when I thought we weren't even hitting 2.6m.
I feel they should have revealed the 3.2 - 4m stretch goals earlier. That middle period was painfully slow-going with the questionable Orc Bard being the big unlock.
The plastic should have been planned to be coloured in the classic Heroquest colours in the first place. Like Wizkids does for the D&D adventure boardgames.
Also they should have done the Q&A earlier because them stating there are 4 European version cards, extra copies of popular items and even some new cards coming with the stretch goal quest books is important info that should have been listed somewhere.
With all that said its good to see Heroquest coming back after 30years. And Im glad to have had a chance to get one in AUS because chances are even if it goes to retail it will probably be right back to US and CAD only.
After some soul-searching, I came to the conclusion that since my US core box, Witch Lord, and Kellar's Keep are complete except two earth spell cards and the minis (my first Warhammer armies), I didn't need this. So, I'm going to use the Monstrous Encounters stuff to rebuild my set and be happy with that. It would have been a nostalgia purchase anyway, and using my original set is way more nostalgic, yeah?
You should, of course, be able to find images of the cards on the 'net. I did a little searching and found this fanmade HQ2 expansion. So, if you're going to print out the replacement cards, might as well add some fanmade ones!
I have such mixed emotions about this; I bought in at Mythic tier (yay, dragon!) last year, right when my gaming group were in the middle of a play through on Tabletop Simulator (because lockdown). So I’m still really stoked to get to play on a real tabletop, but we just lost my best friend, the guy who organised most of our games, to cancer. So playing this without him will be a real bittersweet experience.
Jadenim wrote: I have such mixed emotions about this; I bought in at Mythic tier (yay, dragon!) last year, right when my gaming group were in the middle of a play through on Tabletop Simulator (because lockdown). So I’m still really stoked to get to play on a real tabletop, but we just lost my best friend, the guy who organised most of our games, to cancer. So playing this without him will be a real bittersweet experience.
Holy crap man, I just hoped in the thread to see what had become of this relaunch. I am very sorry for your loss, that's absolutely terrible. Best of luck to you and his friends and family. My younger sister passed away from cancer and I suppose it goes without say, was a very heart wrenching experience.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I was hoping they had a really big catapult, a strategically placed bouncy castle and a dead eye aim myself.
Oh come on. That's hardly realistic. Obviously, to cut the Gordian knot of current international shipping snafus, Hasbro is using one of those highly reliable teleport doors from the Castle of Mystery quest. Roll 2D6... oops, the shipment went to Namibia. Roll again. Oops, now it's in Taiwan. Roll again. Tasmania... OK, this might take a while...
(It's the silly American version of HQ anyway--why would any Pom want it? )
People in the US have started receiving their mythic tier orders via Fedex. Theres unboxings on the heroquest reddit and youtube now. It looks good from what I can see. The minis are boardgame plastics but look to have held most the render details. Only feth ups Ive seen people point out so far is the Made In China print being on the bonus tavern tile instead of the throwaway punch card and one person with a mini missing an arm.
Im still wondering when EBGames is getting the Australian orders. Estimated dates have been jumping all over the place from October to December, back to November 2nd then November 17 last I checked.
I keep picturing Tom Hanks and Wilson playing my copy of heroquest somewhere in the south pacific.
Yeah, they're being shipped alright. By FedEx, with signature confirmation required, as if I'm home for that.
Had to go manage the delivery details to have it held at a FedEx location for pickup, and for some damn stupid reason all the available FedEx locations were at least 10 miles from my house.
The new HeroQuest initially launched via a crowdfunding campaign on publisher Hasbro’s own platform HasLab, quickly passing its $1 million target. At the time, the game was announced as exclusively available in the US and Canada, with no word on an international release.
Now, Hasbro has announced that HeroQuest will see a UK retail release next autumn, alongside its arrival with backers of the crowdfunding campaign. It will be exclusive to online retailer Zavvi, which will add its pre-orders to the ongoing campaign to unlock stretch goals.
There is a catch: only the more expensive Mythic Tier edition of HeroQuest will be released in the UK. Priced at £149.99, the bundle includes the core game - available separately for $99.99 (£77) on HasLab - alongside additional exclusive miniatures, rebooted original HeroQuest expansions Return of the Witch Lord and Kellar’s Keep, and other content unlocked during the campaign.
I'm kinda pissed, my friend who backed the campaign in the final week received his wednesday. My roomate, who backed about halfway through got his shipping notice yesterday and will be delivered today. And me, who backed in the first few hours, still has no notice, just the original "label created". All of us got the same Mythic Tier, so I don't know if they're grabbing labels at random or if they are shipping them out backwards. The shipping warehouse is 30 minutes away from my house, I could have picked it up myself any time this week if that had been an option
As far as other shipments go, when my friend got his wednesday the Fedex driver just left it on his porch. No knock, no signature. Friend only noticed it as he left for an errand. Might just be a lazy driver, might be the whole "signature required" isn't as big a deal as it seems
Kalamadea wrote: I'm kinda pissed, my friend who backed the campaign in the final week received his wednesday. My roomate, who backed about halfway through got his shipping notice yesterday and will be delivered today. And me, who backed in the first few hours, still has no notice, just the original "label created". All of us got the same Mythic Tier, so I don't know if they're grabbing labels at random or if they are shipping them out backwards. The shipping warehouse is 30 minutes away from my house, I could have picked it up myself any time this week if that had been an option
As far as other shipments go, when my friend got his wednesday the Fedex driver just left it on his porch. No knock, no signature. Friend only noticed it as he left for an errand. Might just be a lazy driver, might be the whole "signature required" isn't as big a deal as it seems
Same case here. It really seems like its reverse chronological order. I ordered mine when it was around $700k, and haven't heard a peep.... just waiting. I'm just happy they're shipping them out before the retail release, as I know with some prior special products fund raising things they've done; so I was bracing myself for that.
My copy arrived yesterday. Has anyone else who received theirs had damaged miniatures? It looks like the trays weren't quite large enough, and all of my miniatures with maces have bent maces.
Got my notice yesterday afternoon and the box came this morning. Overall I'm very pleased, sent the afternoon looking through stuff, punching tokens and prepping models, all mine had bent maces like above but not as bad as I was expecting, all the swords are straight and surprisingly the staffs and halberds are straight. Detail is a little shallow, but there's almost no flash or moldlines to clean
I had planned on rebasing everything on Renedra stone textured bases, but that's a hard no now that I see em in person, WAY too much work and the PVC bases are much better than I was anticipating. Got everything washed and going to prime it tomorrow, get started on the heroes
edit: hot water trick works perfectly on the bent weapons, all my orcs and chaos warriors have straight weapons now
Tannhauser42 wrote: Yeah, they're being shipped alright. By FedEx, with signature confirmation required, as if I'm home for that.
Had to go manage the delivery details to have it held at a FedEx location for pickup, and for some damn stupid reason all the available FedEx locations were at least 10 miles from my house.
As far as other shipments go, when my friend got his wednesday the Fedex driver just left it on his porch. No knock, no signature. Friend only noticed it as he left for an errand. Might just be a lazy driver, might be the whole "signature required" isn't as big a deal as it seems
My FedEx guy rang and wanted the signature, but I knew it was coming, was keen to keep it from the missus' prying eyes, and dashed down to pick it up. He didn't have much time to put it down, let alone walk away.
Mine arrived today.
Some bent weapons but nothing too bad. I removed the small box of minis from the Mythic box and moved the dragon to that space. The compartment he was in was bending his wing claws so much I was afraid they'd break off.
For just under 200 shipped I'm very happy with what I got. 3 extra quest books, 4 new characters, some additional figures and alternate gender hero sculpts. Excellent!
I'm a happy camper. Played the first 5 missions a year ago with my family using a friend's borrowed copy and now we're ready to continue our own journey!
Got some work done on them, here's 2 days of painting.
Spoiler:
And the coveted scale comparison shot
As you can hopefully see, everything is close size-wise to WHFB, but only the dwarf is heroic scale so they don't mesh very well with WHFB figures. Dwarf and barbarian both have some great detail and were fun to paint, Elf was OK and has some deep detail that's easy to paint but also some shallow filigree on the armor and boots that doesn't pop nearly enough, makes it look busy instead of detailed. The wizard is just horrendous, worst figure in the entire set. I hate pretty much everything about the wizard figure from the bland color scheme to the shallow folds in the tunic to the almost nonexistant face. I love the designs of the new stuff and the artwork is fantastic, I just with the detail on the heroes was deeper. Not even sharper, just deeper
Monsters are fun do far, Necromancer suffers from shallow detail but everything else is super easy to paint with washes and contrast I like the Dread Warriors a lot more than their render. Skeletons should have less stuff, they're a bit cartoony with their giant paul=drons, or else everything else should be a little more cartoony to match. Abominations grew on me a lot once I had the model. Going to do the orcs and gobbos tomorrow, no opinion on them just yet.
Terrain is fantastic. Easily as good as anything from Mantic's Terrain Crate, saving that for last and it should paint up both quickly and easily.
Makes me want to paint my set when it gets here. Pretty sure I'll need to source new paints tho as most mine are probably ruined from sitting for years again.
Overall very happy. The family and I had played the first 5 quests with a borrowed set before we had to return it so we jumped right into quest 6 on Tuesday night.
Looks great, except for the too-tight trays and a few bent figures. I took the mini box out of the Mythic tray and put the dragon in that space because his wing horns were being so bent I was worried about them. The dice also seem cheap. Despite that, the figures are good enough to want to paint.
Almost $200 shipped is more than I've ever spent for a family board game but I'm pleased with what I got. The two boxed expansions look great. That the stretch goals contain 3 more quest books, 3 new characters, alternate gender hero figs and other extra minis and dice definitely feels like a solid value.
I got mine last Saturday. Everything was perfect in mine. But I know that hasn't been the case for some people.
If yours comes with any broken or missing pieces Hasbro is doing replacements, you just need to reach out through their site and they've been getting back to people within 3 days. Downside, while they are doing replacements, they don't appear to have replacements parts in their warehouse, so you'll likely be waiting a while.
Got my copy today, very excited about that. As I looked it over the phrase "rough and ready" came to mind. The minis are a slightly rubbery plastic that can probably take regular use without worry. Kids can drop them, you can chuck them in the box when you're done with them, they're good to go.
Cards are on the thin side, cardboard counters are on the thin side, game box is pretty thin. The minis are chonky, everything else is thin. I think the KS crowd who are looking for archival quality board games to go into a museum may be a little disappointed, but if you want to play this board game with no more concern for wear and tear than you had in 1989 I think you'll be quite happy.
It probably could be considered pricy for what you get given that it's a crowdfunding campaign, but I definitely went in with my eyes open about Hasbro and what to expect. And the extra campaign books and dragon are pretty neat. Now I can use my new game copy to finish playtesting my solo HeroQuest rules too.
Got mine yesterday, compared it against the original.
It is superior in every way possible, and the minis are abso-frag-alutly superior.
Can't wait to play - I apparently played the hell out of the old game, most of the old character pad had been used - with such classic characters as Conan, Merlin, Flint and Legolas having been used so long ago!
Also, I was watching a YouTube about it, and they pointed out a Frozen Horror expansion set was lurking in the background of an official Hasbro video.
I really hope this makes for a solid and successful return. I cannot stress enough just how important HeroQuest was to me as a kid.
Whilst pretty basic, it’s still a solid dungeoneering experience, and one literally all ages can enjoy.
The hobby needs HeroQuest. And whilst the original lead thousands to GW’s door, a general purpose Hasbro one might help every business in the, erm, business, attract new blood.
Got my copy a few days ago, no complaints about the quality of anything.
My son (5), almost immediately wanted to play, and we've run through a couple quests so far. I've been playing loose with the rules, but he's already smashed a gargoyle through a wall, befriended a goblin named Snickers, and nearly abandoned Sir Ragnar.
The Power Cosmic wrote: Got my copy a few days ago, no complaints about the quality of anything.
My son (5), almost immediately wanted to play, and we've run through a couple quests so far. I've been playing loose with the rules, but he's already smashed a gargoyle through a wall, befriended a goblin named Snickers, and nearly abandoned Sir Ragnar.
Fast and lose is definitely a good approach to take with HQ. I love it but there are already enough quirks and gaps in the rules that keeping it fun and moving is the order of the day with my family. I don't pull too many punches with them but my first goal and role is not playing as Zargon with an eye to beating the players.
There is a fair bit of well deserved frustration on the web regarding the trays the figures come in which are so tight that repeated use is almost guaranteed to break some figures.
My solution is to flip two of the trays over and do a bit of pinching.
Main tray:
Flip the tray over. I pinched/squished the Abomination indentions a bit so they and the demon would fit easier Now everything sits nicely in the flipped tray without sticking above the edge so you can slide it back in the cardboard sleeve. All the extra heroes from Mythic Tier will now fit in the main figure tray too.
Furniture tray:
For the furniture tray I keep it face up and just pinched in the nubs that held the pieces in place. The furniture now goes in and out easily. Kept the tight fit for the rats and skulls for now.
Mythic Tray:
For the Mythic tray I flip it over but no pinching required. The small box is nested in the corner. Will probably just throw out the small box figure insert.
At this moment my kids are having a blast making setups with the game pieces and I'm not biting my nails worrying about damage.
Companion app is out on the Google Play store, hard to find since it's new. It's...OK I guess? voiceover gets annoying very quickly, and drag-to-move is a pain on a phone. Also uses a lot of resources, my phone was really hot and had burned through 20% power just playing through the first quest. Might be better on a PC emulator like Bluelight or a good quality android tablet
Those of us who backed the GameZone Kickstarter have now received a weird email
HASBRO POISED TO RE-LAUNCH HEROQUEST IN EUROPE
Hasbro Announces Future Plans to Bring the Popular Role-Playing Game to Market in the Region
PAWTUCKET, RI – Nov 15, 2021 – Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS) announced today it is set to re-launch the HeroQuest brand in Europe. The return of HeroQuest, an epic, high-fantasy, role-playing board game made in 1989 where the fate of the world is in the players’ hand, was officially announced last year for fans to purchase via a Haslab crowdfunding campaign. The Haslab HeroQuest game features new art, premium miniature figures and exclusive quest books for an enhanced gameplay experience and increased collectability. The brand will be developed under Hasbro’s Avalon Hill label.
European-based gaming company Ludofilia formally renounced ownership of its HeroQuest European trademark and its tabletop game project will be rebranded, though the contents will remain unchanged. Ludofilia will now be offering fans who previously supported Ludofilia’s independent crowdfunding campaign the OPTION to receive Hasbro’s version of the game, Ludofilia's rebranded game, or both.
“The fans have been asking, and we have answered! We’re thrilled to expand the reach of the HeroQuest brand to Europe,” said Angus Walker, Global Brand Lead, Avalon Hill at Hasbro. Stay tuned for more news from Hasbro on the upcoming launch of HeroQuest and the game coming to European fans. You can also find more information on HeroQuest on the official Hasbro Pulse site here.
***Hasbro is no way affiliated with Ludofilia, and Ludofilia’s crowdfunding campaign is in no way sponsored, endorsed or administered by, or associated with, Hasbro.***
Those of us who backed the GameZone Kickstarter have now received a weird email
Spoiler:
HASBRO POISED TO RE-LAUNCH HEROQUEST IN EUROPE
Hasbro Announces Future Plans to Bring the Popular Role-Playing Game to Market in the Region
PAWTUCKET, RI – Nov 15, 2021 – Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS) announced today it is set to re-launch the HeroQuest brand in Europe. The return of HeroQuest, an epic, high-fantasy, role-playing board game made in 1989 where the fate of the world is in the players’ hand, was officially announced last year for fans to purchase via a Haslab crowdfunding campaign. The Haslab HeroQuest game features new art, premium miniature figures and exclusive quest books for an enhanced gameplay experience and increased collectability. The brand will be developed under Hasbro’s Avalon Hill label.
European-based gaming company Ludofilia formally renounced ownership of its HeroQuest European trademark and its tabletop game project will be rebranded, though the contents will remain unchanged. Ludofilia will now be offering fans who previously supported Ludofilia’s independent crowdfunding campaign the OPTION to receive Hasbro’s version of the game, Ludofilia's rebranded game, or both.
“The fans have been asking, and we have answered! We’re thrilled to expand the reach of the HeroQuest brand to Europe,” said Angus Walker, Global Brand Lead, Avalon Hill at Hasbro. Stay tuned for more news from Hasbro on the upcoming launch of HeroQuest and the game coming to European fans. You can also find more information on HeroQuest on the official Hasbro Pulse site here.
***Hasbro is no way affiliated with Ludofilia, and Ludofilia’s crowdfunding campaign is in no way sponsored, endorsed or administered by, or associated with, Hasbro.***
So maybe we will get something for our money after all?
I'll believe it when it's in my hands but I'll be opting for the swap hopefully this will have a good outcome I never expected to get either. I wonder if it was part of the deal to release the trademark? (if indeed this is a real offer I can't find anything from Hasbro to back it up and it's supposed to be a joint statement)
Stormonu wrote: Got mine yesterday, compared it against the original.
It is superior in every way possible, and the minis are abso-frag-alutly superior.
Can't wait to play - I apparently played the hell out of the old game, most of the old character pad had been used - with such classic characters as Conan, Merlin, Flint and Legolas having been used so long ago!
Those of us who backed the GameZone Kickstarter have now received a weird email
Spoiler:
HASBRO POISED TO RE-LAUNCH HEROQUEST IN EUROPE
Hasbro Announces Future Plans to Bring the Popular Role-Playing Game to Market in the Region
PAWTUCKET, RI – Nov 15, 2021 – Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS) announced today it is set to re-launch the HeroQuest brand in Europe. The return of HeroQuest, an epic, high-fantasy, role-playing board game made in 1989 where the fate of the world is in the players’ hand, was officially announced last year for fans to purchase via a Haslab crowdfunding campaign. The Haslab HeroQuest game features new art, premium miniature figures and exclusive quest books for an enhanced gameplay experience and increased collectability. The brand will be developed under Hasbro’s Avalon Hill label.
European-based gaming company Ludofilia formally renounced ownership of its HeroQuest European trademark and its tabletop game project will be rebranded, though the contents will remain unchanged. Ludofilia will now be offering fans who previously supported Ludofilia’s independent crowdfunding campaign the OPTION to receive Hasbro’s version of the game, Ludofilia's rebranded game, or both.
“The fans have been asking, and we have answered! We’re thrilled to expand the reach of the HeroQuest brand to Europe,” said Angus Walker, Global Brand Lead, Avalon Hill at Hasbro. Stay tuned for more news from Hasbro on the upcoming launch of HeroQuest and the game coming to European fans. You can also find more information on HeroQuest on the official Hasbro Pulse site here.
***Hasbro is no way affiliated with Ludofilia, and Ludofilia’s crowdfunding campaign is in no way sponsored, endorsed or administered by, or associated with, Hasbro.***
So maybe we will get something for our money after all?
I'll believe it when it's in my hands but I'll be opting for the swap hopefully this will have a good outcome I never expected to get either. I wonder if it was part of the deal to release the trademark? (if indeed this is a real offer I can't find anything from Hasbro to back it up and it's supposed to be a joint statement)
Wait.
Wait wait wait.
Does…..this mean that by being able to buy HeroQuest in the U.K., there’s finally been an upside to Brexit??
Those of us who backed the GameZone Kickstarter have now received a weird email
Spoiler:
HASBRO POISED TO RE-LAUNCH HEROQUEST IN EUROPE
Hasbro Announces Future Plans to Bring the Popular Role-Playing Game to Market in the Region
PAWTUCKET, RI – Nov 15, 2021 – Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS) announced today it is set to re-launch the HeroQuest brand in Europe. The return of HeroQuest, an epic, high-fantasy, role-playing board game made in 1989 where the fate of the world is in the players’ hand, was officially announced last year for fans to purchase via a Haslab crowdfunding campaign. The Haslab HeroQuest game features new art, premium miniature figures and exclusive quest books for an enhanced gameplay experience and increased collectability. The brand will be developed under Hasbro’s Avalon Hill label.
European-based gaming company Ludofilia formally renounced ownership of its HeroQuest European trademark and its tabletop game project will be rebranded, though the contents will remain unchanged. Ludofilia will now be offering fans who previously supported Ludofilia’s independent crowdfunding campaign the OPTION to receive Hasbro’s version of the game, Ludofilia's rebranded game, or both.
“The fans have been asking, and we have answered! We’re thrilled to expand the reach of the HeroQuest brand to Europe,” said Angus Walker, Global Brand Lead, Avalon Hill at Hasbro. Stay tuned for more news from Hasbro on the upcoming launch of HeroQuest and the game coming to European fans. You can also find more information on HeroQuest on the official Hasbro Pulse site here.
***Hasbro is no way affiliated with Ludofilia, and Ludofilia’s crowdfunding campaign is in no way sponsored, endorsed or administered by, or associated with, Hasbro.***
So maybe we will get something for our money after all?
I'll believe it when it's in my hands but I'll be opting for the swap hopefully this will have a good outcome I never expected to get either. I wonder if it was part of the deal to release the trademark? (if indeed this is a real offer I can't find anything from Hasbro to back it up and it's supposed to be a joint statement)
What the actual... ?
Not that I trust a single email that those guys send out, but if this is true... wow.
I think that (not getting my hopes up) if it does happen, taking the Hasbro version and running might be the smart move. At least we know that product exists and is a known quantity, rather than a bunch of photos of boxes of resin minis and unknown rules.
Those of us who backed the GameZone Kickstarter have now received a weird email
Spoiler:
HASBRO POISED TO RE-LAUNCH HEROQUEST IN EUROPE
Hasbro Announces Future Plans to Bring the Popular Role-Playing Game to Market in the Region
PAWTUCKET, RI – Nov 15, 2021 – Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS) announced today it is set to re-launch the HeroQuest brand in Europe. The return of HeroQuest, an epic, high-fantasy, role-playing board game made in 1989 where the fate of the world is in the players’ hand, was officially announced last year for fans to purchase via a Haslab crowdfunding campaign. The Haslab HeroQuest game features new art, premium miniature figures and exclusive quest books for an enhanced gameplay experience and increased collectability. The brand will be developed under Hasbro’s Avalon Hill label.
European-based gaming company Ludofilia formally renounced ownership of its HeroQuest European trademark and its tabletop game project will be rebranded, though the contents will remain unchanged. Ludofilia will now be offering fans who previously supported Ludofilia’s independent crowdfunding campaign the OPTION to receive Hasbro’s version of the game, Ludofilia's rebranded game, or both.
“The fans have been asking, and we have answered! We’re thrilled to expand the reach of the HeroQuest brand to Europe,” said Angus Walker, Global Brand Lead, Avalon Hill at Hasbro. Stay tuned for more news from Hasbro on the upcoming launch of HeroQuest and the game coming to European fans. You can also find more information on HeroQuest on the official Hasbro Pulse site here.
***Hasbro is no way affiliated with Ludofilia, and Ludofilia’s crowdfunding campaign is in no way sponsored, endorsed or administered by, or associated with, Hasbro.***
So maybe we will get something for our money after all?
I'll believe it when it's in my hands but I'll be opting for the swap hopefully this will have a good outcome I never expected to get either. I wonder if it was part of the deal to release the trademark? (if indeed this is a real offer I can't find anything from Hasbro to back it up and it's supposed to be a joint statement)
What the actual... ?
Not that I trust a single email that those guys send out, but if this is true... wow.
I think that (not getting my hopes up) if it does happen, taking the Hasbro version and running might be the smart move. At least we know that product exists and is a known quantity, rather than a bunch of photos of boxes of resin minis and unknown rules.
Agreed. The smart option is to take the replacement from Hasbro rather than wait another X years for Gamezone to squander whatever money he's received from Hasbro to finish his TseuQuest.
Gamezone has this posted on their website. I don't know what is 'CANJE HQ,' another website?
Spoiler:
Ludofilia's tabletop game is being rebranded as TseuQuesT.
- Ludofilia, in an accord with Hasbro, has renounced all its valid Heroquest trademarks throughout Europe. Ludofilia used those trademarks to cover its version of the board game that it offered in crowdfunding and pre-sale. From now on the board game will be RENAMED TseuQuesT. The exact contents or the game itself will remain unchanged.
-It only the name has changed, all of the board game content remains unchanged, except for the use of the new brand TseuQuesT to encompass all its components.
- Both Backers and pre-sale customers have had to endure with extreme patience the continuous delays of the official launch of our board game. Finally,the foreseen delivery date by the European-based printing company is for the end of the first quarter of 2022. If all goes well, from that date we will start shipping your games.
-Optionally, Backers and pre-sales customers will have the chance to exchange their reserved copies of the Ludofilia game for copies of the Hasbro version of Heroquest: ONLY 1 FOR BACKER (more information on CANJE HQ)
-This exclusive exchange offer for crowdfunding backers and pre-sales made by customers until the day before this announcement -November 15, 2021-
-From this moment, any new client who wants to pre-buy the TseuQuesT board game can do so here.
-The current price of the TseuQuesT is the same as offered during the crowdfunding campaign, and will remain until the day of its official launch, at which time its price will be adjusted upwards.
We greatly thank Hasbro for their professionalism and cordiality since our first contact at the beginning of 2013 until now.
Ahaha. I guess now they will redesign the "TseuQuest" logo in a way where the 'tail' of the letter Q is straight down the middle because the title is being mirrored, and then will promptly get sued by id Software for copying the Quake 'Q', which in turn will lead to another ~10 year 'delay' :p
Does that Ludofilia post imply that a backer who opts to exchange gets 1 copy (of the base hasbro HQ) for everything the ordered from the Ludofilia KS?
i guess even if it does it's probably still going to be smart to take the exchange and run
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Does that Ludofilia post imply that a backer who opts to exchange gets 1 copy (of the base hasbro HQ) for everything the ordered from the Ludofilia KS?
i guess even if it does it's probably still going to be smart to take the exchange and run
It looks like it's limited to 1 per backer but I'd imagine if you ordered more than 1 copy you could swap 1 and take the rest as the new Tseuquest game as to whether it's 1 all in GZ pledge for a base Hasbro game it's not clear, they are about the same price wise I'd take the swap the GZ pledge doesn't offer a huge amount more to risk waiting another 5 years.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Does that Ludofilia post imply that a backer who opts to exchange gets 1 copy (of the base hasbro HQ) for everything the ordered from the Ludofilia KS?
i guess even if it does it's probably still going to be smart to take the exchange and run
I will certainly take that option if it's offered, having long ago written off any chance of getting anything!
There is a Gamestop, EBGames/Zing exclusive knight character expansion up for preorder now too. It appears to already be presold out on EBGames site for Australia. Guess the headlice saw it first. I probably wouldn't have bought it at $38 AU anyway, no way I'll pay whatever scalpers end up demanding.
I'm not sure that there's much value in a $15 expansion that has two (board game) minis and small stack of cards for an additional hero that you don't need and has no real connection to the old game. I would be very surprised if it sold much.
Seems pre-orders are sold out. Looking at their cards, they seem pretty useful.
Not quite as fighty as a Barbarian, but solid defence, and able to protect other characters either by negating damage against them, or taking on the wandering monster.
Eilif wrote: If it petty that after buying in at Mythic with the intent of getting all the stuff, I'm annoyed that there's already another exclusive out there?
Could be worse - it's not even available to purchase for non-Americans.
frankelee wrote: I'm not sure that there's much value in a $15 expansion that has two (board game) minis and small stack of cards for an additional hero that you don't need and has no real connection to the old game. I would be very surprised if it sold much.
Its a nice extra for people that are really big into this game and want get every little thing released for the game. $15 is also pretty reasonable for an exclusive pack of 2 minis and a bunch of cards. $5 for the cards, $5 for each mini... that's comparable to Reaper Bones miniatures.
frankelee wrote: I'm not sure that there's much value in a $15 expansion that has two (board game) minis and small stack of cards for an additional hero that you don't need and has no real connection to the old game. I would be very surprised if it sold much.
Its a nice extra for people that are really big into this game and want get every little thing released for the game. $15 is also pretty reasonable for an exclusive pack of 2 minis and a bunch of cards. $5 for the cards, $5 for each mini... that's comparable to Reaper Bones miniatures.
Ugg. I missed the whole boat on this whole thing and now I'm sad.
EV is charging $38 for that expansion. Does anyone have an idea if hasbro will re-release all the expansions? Blarg!
frankelee wrote: I'm not sure that there's much value in a $15 expansion that has two (board game) minis and small stack of cards for an additional hero that you don't need and has no real connection to the old game. I would be very surprised if it sold much.
Its a nice extra for people that are really big into this game and want get every little thing released for the game. $15 is also pretty reasonable for an exclusive pack of 2 minis and a bunch of cards. $5 for the cards, $5 for each mini... that's comparable to Reaper Bones miniatures.
Ugg. I missed the whole boat on this whole thing and now I'm sad.
EV is charging $38 for that expansion. Does anyone have an idea if hasbro will re-release all the expansions? Blarg!
Some of the stuff will get retail releases but not everything. The expansion boxes and the core game have already had their retail release announced. Certain models were described as "goals", "bonuses", "extras", "new", and only a few as "exclusive". These "Limited Time Exclusives" are the ones that won't get a retail releases. The "Limited Time Exclusives" were Sir Ragnar, Mentor and Wizard Hero w/cards, the Witch Lord.
One caveat that I can't find evidence of but swear I remember reading.... The detailed descriptions of the bonus quests, if I remember correctly the Joe Manganiello quest book and Dragon was the only new quest book described as an "Exclusive", but that stretch goal was never met and was only included as a "Thank you for your patience" due to release delays. So there is fully wiggle room for a retail release.
Eilif wrote: If it petty that after buying in at Mythic with the intent of getting all the stuff, I'm annoyed that there's already another exclusive out there?
Could be worse - it's not even available to purchase for non-Americans.
Are you sure? Some of those links are not in USD.
Not a big deal really though. If it shows up again, I'll probably buy it. If not, I've got plenty of figures I could proxy for a knight and they've been nice enough to show all the print that matters in the ad pics so I could easily put it in our games if we want.
Finished up Quest 6 this weekend. The family is still excited about the game, so I look forward to getting at least through the end of the main book before too long. Choosing where to go from there might be tough. I'm loving having something wargaming/RPG/Fantasy'ish that is fun and simple enough that the whole family enjoys it.
Sacredroach wrote: Miniature Market now has the core game and the Knight up for Pre-Order.
Rats, the Knights are already "out of stock" for preorder on MM.
Oh well, I think I've got enough as it is - having the two expansion packs and the mythic exclusive is way more than I had before.
(Funny thing - while rummaging through the original, I found a Paladin character. I'm trying to figure out if this was something we homebrewed or maybe got out of a White Dwarf).
The best thing about Heroquest is the Knight. Look at the chival-rality! You are the Knight, the tankiest hero of them all. And theyre not kidding! He throws three defending dice by default. Not even the gargoyle can punch through that. And that's without needing to get the plate mail.
BRODESWORDE! A knight, best character in the game by a long shot and you should all go play as him immediately.
Right. Now that the preorders are gone. The best thing about Heroquest is the Dwarves. Ahh yes. The Knight... Strictly for scalpers. He is infact Ebay2Win. True aficionados of Heroquest and mythic backers of the game play the dwarves. *headnod*
Dropbear Victim wrote: The best thing about Heroquest is the Knight. Look at the chival-rality! You are the Knight, the tankiest hero of them all. And theyre not kidding! He throws three defending dice by default. Not even the gargoyle can punch through that. And that's without needing to get the plate mail.
BRODESWORDE! A knight, best character in the game by a long shot and you should all go play as him immediately.
Right. Now that the preorders are gone. The best thing about Heroquest is the Dwarves. Ahh yes. The Knight... Strictly for scalpers. He is infact Ebay2Win. True aficionados of Heroquest and mythic backers of the game play the dwarves. *headnod*
The crowdfunding wasn’t available to the EU but retail release is confirmed and a Spanish version was confirmed by the Spanish division of Hasbro. I considered using mail forwarding but with the change to VAT rules in July I’m glad I didn’t.
The only EU retail version I’ve seen so far is the Zavvi.ie version but I can’t confirm if they actually ship from within the EU or if this is just a .ie version of the UK site and shipping is from there. Other EU versions of Zavvi also have it available for preorder.
EDIT looks like it’s direct from EU or if UK it’s DDP.
For customers located in the EU, most of our products will ship from our distribution centre within the EU and therefore ordering with us will continue as normal.
For any products shipping from the UK to addresses in the EU, tax and duties will be settled on your behalf with our courier, so there is no cost to you.
Asked EBGames if mine is in and they don't know gak and just try to get me to order the retail copies for next year. Was meant to have it delivered to a store for pickup.
I’ll have a look later. I’m about to knock off, and that fireside seat in the pub is a-calling my name, because it is Friday night, and yes lovely boys, you is allowed a beer!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I’m super chuffed this is going to retail. The wider hobby needs such an accessible entry point.
Also it means lots of expansions to come, which is pleasing!
Vorian wrote: Are the squares bigger than 22 / 23mm? If you could play a game and actually stand two guys next to each other... what a time to be alive.
I only measured the punch out tiles that get placed on the board, but they measure between 25 & 26 mm. The minis' bases are about 24 mm.
Vorian wrote: Are the squares bigger than 22 / 23mm? If you could play a game and actually stand two guys next to each other... what a time to be alive.
Boards are the same size, though the new one had an extra edge on side, possibly for putting extra minis or whatnot to the side.
I really want to support the game but simply not got the shelf space for it now. Did have last year, but not now.
That said, I wouldn't mind the Return of the Witch Lord set as its more fashionably undead models for Castle Ravenloft and Frostgrave. And the box art is bloody brilliant. By placing the Baron's Nephew, Rabban in charge of the task I would have him squeeze and squeeze it into that empty gap on the shelf!
Ok, genuinely have got my shipping notification now! (The last was a random parcel I forgot I ordered). Unfortunately I’m away so I have two more weeks of anticipation!
I was intrigued by this and tempted in a nostalgic way, but find the models a bit meh. Shame. Be interesting to see how the community paint them up and stuff.
Mine has arrived and Ive opened it up and gave it a once over looking for any defects.
The Game System has 1 terribly miscast white dice with 6 sides with half the details missing. Detail on about 5 open doorways is sort of a shallow melted look but will be ok. Torture Wrack not glued correctly to bench so its raised a millimeter on 1 side but no bigdeal.
Kellars Keep looks to be perfect.
Return of the Witch Lord has 1 skeleton with a unglued shoulder and a 2nd that is warped or glued with its shoulder at wrong angle.
Mythic Box has a hammer orc with an unglued shoulder and 2 white dice with missing detail on a couple sides.
The dice are my only real annoyance but I'll live with it. You can still tell what they are and only 1 is really bad. Overall I really like what I see.
Theyredeaddave wrote: Does anyone know if the new rules are different from the original? I ask as the original was aged 9 to Adult but this new version is 14+.
Is the new one somehow more complex so that my 10 year old nephew will struggle?
Cheers
Mostly the same as the original US rules which aren't much different to the UK rules. The 14+ is so that they don't have to have it meet the safety tests for children's toys not to do with the difficulty of the rules. Children's toys, at least under EU law, are those suitable for under 14s that's why you'll see 14+ on products that are in theory suitable for younger ages.
Theyredeaddave wrote: Does anyone know if the new rules are different from the original? I ask as the original was aged 9 to Adult but this new version is 14+.
Is the new one somehow more complex so that my 10 year old nephew will struggle?
Cheers
You'll be fine. My 10 and 8 year olds are not hardcore gamers and they're having a great time with HQ.
Just got the chance to (re)play it tonight with my youngest son - he's 17, but autistic. He took to it straight away, and didn't seem to mind too much when he got clobbered and killed.
We were using the rules from the latest version, but I'd found the solo quests from the Barbarian expansion and were using those maps since he was playing solo. While it's been 30 or so years since I last played, comparing the old and new rules I didn't see anything different. And comparing the quest books from the main game, they look to be exactly the same (including the annoying 6th quest...)
Theyredeaddave wrote: Does anyone know if the new rules are different from the original? I ask as the original was aged 9 to Adult but this new version is 14+.
Is the new one somehow more complex so that my 10 year old nephew will struggle?
Cheers
Mostly the same as the original US rules which aren't much different to the UK rules. The 14+ is so that they don't have to have it meet the safety tests for children's toys not to do with the difficulty of the rules. Children's toys, at least under EU law, are those suitable for under 14s that's why you'll see 14+ on products that are in theory suitable for younger ages.
Yeah age guidelines these days are more about covering the toymakers in case of a lawsuit and not really a guideline for who will enjoy a game. 14+ is probably more a function of the number of small parts than complexity of rules.
I was hoping to post this in the original HQ25 thread so as not to cross over here but it’s locked.
Hasbro has privately responded to several backers on Twitter and Facebook regarding the Ludofilia exchange. It was initially thought to be a fake message as there is a lot of misinformation and some are deliberately posting fake info but several people have now received the same response and the Darkstone forum seem confident that it’s real now. Hasbro still haven’t posted anything publicly.
Hasbro and Ludofilia have agreed to a one-time deal for Ludofilia to purchase a limited amount of English-language HeroQuest games. Ludofilia will be using these games to fulfill a past, independent crowdfunding campaign, which Hasbro was in no way affiliated with. Backers of their crowdfunding campaign will have the option to receive the Hasbro English version of the HeroQuest game or Ludofilia’s forthcoming, rebranded game. All fulfilment will be handled by Ludofilia.
Still no indication of how to do the exchange as the links don’t work now.
More Info on the exchange it’s live now. - log into your Gamezone account and Canje HQ (exchange) will appear at the top of the categories menu - but there are catches - of course there are!
Exchange costs €20.80
Must be claimed by 19th December after which you will get Tseuquest
No extra charge for shipping - (select the GZ Canje shipping option).
Additional content/add ons excluded from exchange
English version only
Spoiler:
Optionally, Backers and pre-sales will have the opportunity to exchange their reserved copies of the Ludofilia game for copies of the Hasbro version of Heroquest:MAXIMUM 1 COPY PER BACKER.
-Obviously they can choose not to receive the Hasbro game, receiving instead our game renamed as TseuQuesT.
-Ludofilia has a limited number of Hasbro games available to Backers and pre-sale customers, exclusively.
-This exchange offer ONLY for crowdfunding backers and pre-sales, for a limited time, until December 19, 2021, any possible combination of redemption may be requested.
-Anyone who does not respond before the deadline or who does not request any type of exchange, will receive what they already have reserved but renamed as TseuQuesT.
-Hasbro Heroquests are NOT available for sale to the general public through our online store. Neither Ludofilia nor Gamezone Miniatures are going to sell copies to the public.
-Each box of the Hasbro Heroquest that is redeemed carries an additional cost of 20.80 euros, per unit.
-Ludofilia will receive Heroquest copies from Hasbro at its Seville facilities.
-Shipping the Hasbro Heroquest from Seville to the address of each backer / pre-sale client does not entail any extra charge, shipping costs that were already paid will be used at the time.
-Any additional content / addons that have been reserved are excluded from any type of exchange.
-All copies of the Hasbro Heroquest will be sent in English.
-EXCHANGE requests that meet the prerequisites will be dealt with, in strict order of arrival (first come first serve) until the end of Heroquest stock received from Hasbro.
-Any exchange that does not meet “MAXIMUM 1 COPY PER BACKER” requirement will be canceled.
I resent the €20 charge and I must be mad but I’ll take the chance it’s paid by PayPal so I can dispute within 180 days. At the end of the day I was in for €110 on GZ, Hasbro HQ is €120 so I’m down a tenner if it pans out (okay plus all the extras I forfeit but so be it - have I convinced myself yet )
Thanks so much for bringing that to attention DaveC
Wow I have just checked my Gamezone account and that was back in 2014 for the Heroquest boxset, crikey. Plus the 31 euros for shipping.
Like you it might well be a case of "fool me twice" but I've paid the money for the exchange and just see what happens. That is handy with Paypal that you can claim back, so hopefully this time it is a genuine item sale.
Its just a shame we won't see a follow up for Space Crusade. While its great to see Heroquest return to retail, I have very fond memories of when I received 'Crusade as a birthday present.
It was then a year or two later that the girl next door introduced me to Heroquest!
Although, I wouldn't be so generous to refer to Uncle Kev's attempt as half a game, more like a turd.
Fixed that for you...
;-)
Most appreciated! My original assessment did lack a certain je ne sais quoi.
I did think that looking at it a few hours later, the postage charge might be used for the HQ delivery postage.
The odd thing is, for those schmucks that bought in at the higher pledge level and redeem it for the HQ offer, do we lose that extra money or did I read somewhere that we're still (ha!) getting the Tseuquest expansions? Cos that would be weird.
SamusDrake wrote: Its just a shame we won't see a follow up for Space Crusade. :
I agree A Space Crusade redux would be awesome, but 2 major issues arise regarding that.
1. Would it really be the same without the GW art, figs and fluff?
2. Would there be enough interest since Space Crusade was never released in the USA?
Well.
One has to assume it boils down to who owns the rights to what.
The models? Very likely GW.
The rules and that? It’s my understanding one can’t copyright rules - I accept I’m possibly misinformed.
The game title? Well. Who knows.
But if HQ starts making regular retail waves, I don’t see GWnot flexing their IP and facilities to produce some form of the game we know as Space Crusade? The same for Hasbro really.
One has to assume it boils down to who owns the rights to what.
The models? Very likely GW.
The rules and that? It’s my understanding one can’t copyright rules - I accept I’m possibly misinformed.
The game title? Well. Who knows.
But if HQ starts making regular retail waves, I don’t see GWnot flexing their IP and facilities to produce some form of the game we know as Space Crusade? The same for Hasbro really.
You are correct, you can't copyright rules, only the specific instantiation and wording of rules.
As to the title, IIRC Prodos already tried it and nobody sued.
Quite possibly. But only one of them has visible chest bumps. The other four marines are all wearing their breastplates (no pun intended...), and any physical differences are hidden away.
Well, the one with the "U" on the shoulder pad isn't in full armor or even close so who knows what's going on there. As for the one actually in full armor, she looks like she has a Dark Angel logo on her shoulder so obviously she's part of the Heretic faction of that cursed legion.
Considering we recently had Zombicide Invader and its "marines" (not to also mention Mutant Chronicles some time back), I can't a see a problem with reissuing Space Crusade by filing off the serial numbers.
warboss wrote: Well, the one with the "U" on the shoulder pad isn't in full armor or even close so who knows what's going on there.
I think the woman who isn't in full armour is meant to be a Scout. Like the guy on the top-left.
That picture as a whole gives me 'Cowboy Bebop At His Computer' vibes. And yet... so cool.
If we get a serial-numbers-filed-off version of Space Crusade, I demand that it be the legendary non-violent German version (Starquest?) in which all the enemies were supposedly robots and all the weapons just froze them or disabled them instead of killing them. In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only Saturday morning cartoon crowd control.
Chaos Warrior, Chaos Sorceror and Fimir were the only things close to being GW. And the map from the back of the Kellar’s Keep quest book. The rest was Generic Fantasy, so just needed to move away from GW’s aesthetic.
Thing is, for Space Crusade to gain similar traction, it needs the Space Crusade name. We can reasonably demonstrate GW had some rights to use that independent of MB/Hasbro, because of Advanced Space Crusade, and indeed them publishing new missions in White Dwarf way back when.
What that agreement was? I don’t think anyone here can really say. And has the Space Crusade name been retained by either party or adopted by another party? I honestly don’t know.
But models aside, if you want to create hype for Space Crusade, you gotta call it Space Crusade, no?
warboss wrote: Well, the one with the "U" on the shoulder pad isn't in full armor or even close so who knows what's going on there.
I think the woman who isn't in full armour is meant to be a Scout. Like the guy on the top-left.
That picture as a whole gives me 'Cowboy Bebop At His Computer' vibes. And yet... so cool.
Possibly. At best, I'd say the artist took some serious license in adapting it or at worst was drunk and decided to do the opposite in terms of area covered for same era scouts. That said... The cover of the magazine is IMO better than the official box art in terms of proportion and overall realism and I prefer it heresy and all.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: Back on topic, how much GW IP was there to scrub from HQ?
Probably all of it given the recent sewage issues there in Nottingham unless they want to risk typhoid or cholera.
SamusDrake wrote: Its just a shame we won't see a follow up for Space Crusade. :
I agree A Space Crusade redux would be awesome, but 2 major issues arise regarding that.
1. Would it really be the same without the GW art, figs and fluff?
2. Would there be enough interest since Space Crusade was never released in the USA?
Well.
One has to assume it boils down to who owns the rights to what.
The models? Very likely GW.
The rules and that? It’s my understanding one can’t copyright rules - I accept I’m possibly misinformed.
The game title? Well. Who knows.
But if HQ starts making regular retail waves, I don’t see GWnot flexing their IP and facilities to produce some form of the game we know as Space Crusade? The same for Hasbro really.
My point is that unless some partnership is formed it's likely that all Hasbro has rights to is the printed material with GW IP removed.
As we've seen with Heroquest, the GW fantasy IP is easily stripped from a relatively generic fantasy game and the result is a fine game, arguably as good as the original. I don't think that what remains of Space Crusade after removal and replacement of all 40k material would be nearly as good.
When it came to making the art for that magazine cover they wouldn't have cared beyond the review copy of the game provided by Gremlin Graphics. The magazine editor probably said to the artist "its a bit like Aliens...give us something like that", and showed them box cover and maybe watched someone else play the game for a few minutes.
The UK home computer market was very "punk" at the time, with magazine and box art that bore no resemblance to the characters in a game - especially the Japanese arcade conversions.
Chaos Warrior, Chaos Sorceror and Fimir were the only things close to being GW.
The gargoyle had the design from GW Bloodthirster as well. Never understood why they called it "gargoyle" in the Hasbro game as it plays and acts very much like the toughest monster of the game, fitting for a major demon.
warboss wrote: Well, the one with the "U" on the shoulder pad isn't in full armor or even close so who knows what's going on there.
I think the woman who isn't in full armour is meant to be a Scout. Like the guy on the top-left.
That picture as a whole gives me 'Cowboy Bebop At His Computer' vibes. And yet... so cool.
Possibly. At best, I'd say the artist took some serious license in adapting it or at worst was drunk and decided to do the opposite in terms of area covered for same era scouts. That said... The cover of the magazine is IMO better than the official box art in terms of proportion and overall realism and I prefer it heresy and all.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: Back on topic, how much GW IP was there to scrub from HQ?
Probably all of it given the recent sewage issues there in Nottingham unless they want to risk typhoid or cholera.
Hey Warboss, that's NOT Space Crusade; that's ADVANCED Space Crusade, which is a whole other ball of wax.
This is the game we're referencing; it has space marines (no scouts that I know of ) and as foes has CSM, genestealers, "androids" - I think proto-necrons, a Dreadnought (more like the 'bot from Robocop), and Space Orks & goblins battling on a rather standard spaceship board. Advanced Space Crusade was exclusively Tyranid Warrior enemies, fighting on a modular, multi-path hive ship.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: has the Space Crusade name been retained by either party or adopted by another party?
GW nor Hasbro own it here, Hasbro did until 1996 when it then went defunct until Achron/Prodos trademarked Space Crusade and Space Crusaders with all the toy and games associated in class 28, which runs from 2013 - 2023, but their is a Spanish guy thats also has a claim on Space Crusade but its mainly for different classes #9 & #16, artist materials and sound/video recording devices, it does state class 28 too which is toys and games!
It is the nature of these things to get excited about what you don't have, rather than what you do have.
Though in that vein, I'll probably buy all four of the remade expansions if they get around to them. I'm not in love with Hasbro's stylistic take (wayward, I would call it), but four different enemy wizard characters and a bunch of ogres will still be awesome. And I never got to play them as a kid, I didn't even know they existed.
frankelee wrote:It is the nature of these things to get excited about what you don't have, rather than what you do have.
No kidding. I had the Kellar's Keep and Ogre Horde expansions back in the day. Did I feel special for owning what I later found out was a rare and sought-after expansion? Nope. I suffered perennial disappointment that I never got Return of the Witch Lord, which was the one I'd actually wanted but had disappeared from shop shelves by the time my birthday rolled around.
(Finally played through Witch Lord as an adult and it was great.)
frankelee wrote:Though in that vein, I'll probably buy all four of the remade expansions if they get around to them. I'm not in love with Hasbro's stylistic take (wayward, I would call it), but four different enemy wizard characters and a bunch of ogres will still be awesome. And I never got to play them as a kid, I didn't even know they existed.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Wizards of Morcar was brutal if memory serves. Definitely not one for new characters to attempt!
Against the Ogre Horde will kill you deader than a bone-coloured plastic skellie. Pro tip (spoilery for hero players):
Spoiler:
Don't go into any room with a treasure chest and a lone Zombie. You'll regret it.
Wizards of Morcar isn't much of a campaign, though. It's more like a kit of cool extras. All those new Spells, hiring Men-at-Arms (hey, a use for all that gold you collected and the Champion status!), evil sorcerers... it's all great for sprucing up existing Quests, giving the Wizard a way to advance beyond his limited item purchases, and making your own adventures.
If Hasbro remakes those two, I'm curious to see how they'll translate to the American ruleset.
Just had our first session. Heroquest remains a very satisfying game!
Players blew it horribly at first. Party split up, didn’t block doors, and fielded three casty characters (Druid, Wizard and Warlock). Barbarian got slapped down really quickly, as they let him get surrounded.
Second time around? They were organised. Warlock swapped out for the Elf.
I must say I don’t remember the U.K. version giving anyone but the Gargoyle and Sorceror multiple body points. Dread Warriors are pretty vicious when you need to stab them three times!
Next week we pick up where we left off, and hopefully crash through a couple of quests.
This is a true statement. Unless you're very jaded or just REALLLLY not a fan of simple games, Heroquest is just a plain old good time. Glad to hear your group got it together.
Heroquest. A low-calorie treat that actually satisfies.
I really hope the Knights Expansion gets a wider release, Gamestop has completely screwed up the preorders and way oversold it, cancelling a bunch but also allowing people to buy 6 which, of course, are on Ebay for absolutely rediculous prices.
On the bright side, finally got some friends all together in person Sunday and chain-ran the first 7 quests with my mostly painted set, still as unbalanced and rediculous and fun as ever! Really had a blast, but you absolutely need other people with you to laugh at the bad dice rolls and cheer on the crazy shenanigans. Did a few missions on the app solo when it released and while it works, it just isn't a very good game to play solo, very dull and annoying without others to laugh at/with
I'm glad folks will be able to get this retail, but I thought Pulse items could only be bought if you got into the campaign - that was certainly why I backed it, thought that was the only way to get it.
Is there a way to know if other upcoming pulse projects will be available to retail (some statement I must have missed?). I'd like to get my hands on the upcoming Skystriker, for example.
I for one am glad we can buy it retail. I didn't even know about the kickstarter until well after it closed. That would have been rotten to not be able to get any of these items except to pay the ebay price gouge value.
Stormonu wrote: I'm glad folks will be able to get this retail, but I thought Pulse items could only be bought if you got into the campaign - that was certainly why I backed it, thought that was the only way to get it.
Is there a way to know if other upcoming pulse projects will be available to retail (some statement I must have missed?). I'd like to get my hands on the upcoming Skystriker, for example.
The HQ campaign specifically marked certain figures as limited exclusives (Ragnar) and bonus (alternate hero sculpts, all the Mythic tier bonus unlocks). If you bought it in the original campaign then it was $149 for Mythic vs $125+$32+$32 retail+expansions AND you also got a LOT more content: the alternate sculpts for heroes, additional heroes, alternate monsters and extra quest books. Some of that might eventually also hit retail, but some were specific to the campaign. So much extra was included in the Mythic pledge vs the retail release I don't understand how anybody could be upset with it, and even if you only got the base game Heroic pldege you still got the additional alternate hero sculpts+Ragnar for cheaper than retail ($99 vs $125)
As for knowing what hits retail and what is limited to Pulse preorder campaigns, it appears to be completely dependant on the campaign. Knobody knew if HQ would hit retail or not, I'm guessing Hasbro had no idea how popular it would be and it only got a retail release BEACUSE of how well the campaign did
I think Heroquest is the only thing to go to normal retail after being a Pulse campaign? Other things like Transformers Unicron have only been available thru retails who funded a batch during the campaign.
Gamezone is still quiet. I wait for a few days and then go to PayPal to get a refund. I sent them a message but no reaction whatsoever.
I did give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe a bit naive, but now I will make sure I get my money back through PayPal as it does not look like they will come true on their promise again.
Low_K wrote: Gamezone is still quiet. I wait for a few days and then go to PayPal to get a refund. I sent them a message but no reaction whatsoever.
I did give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe a bit naive, but now I will make sure I get my money back through PayPal as it does not look like they will come true on their promise again.
(deep breath)
Oh come on, it's not like you weren't warned we'd all be laughing when their latest deal fell through.
Retail release is now the 25th so I’m willing to give Gamezone until the end of February before I do a charge back. PayPal give you 6 months so plenty of time yet.
Low_K wrote: Gamezone is still quiet. I wait for a few days and then go to PayPal to get a refund. I sent them a message but no reaction whatsoever.
I did give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe a bit naive, but now I will make sure I get my money back through PayPal as it does not look like they will come true on their promise again.
(deep breath)
Oh come on, it's not like you weren't warned we'd all be laughing when their latest deal fell through.
I totally agree, you have every right to laugh and point fingers
But I did learn something, and that is why I am planning to refund my extra payment before the expiration date. I want the game and this risk was worth it instead of paying 100+ euros for the base game. I now have a chance to get it for 20, as the previous pledge I already lost anyway. And if they don't deliver, I will get my 20 euros back and no harm done. If they keep this up, soon they'll lose their Paypal account too if they piss too many people off.
@DaveC; Thanks for the info. Didn't know it was extended to the 25th. I thought Paypal refunds was within 3 months, but 6 months is much better. I don't have as much patience as you, when I hear nothing before the end of January, I'll issue the refund.They frefuse to respond to mails as well.
Haha yeah it is kind of funny I guess, fool me twice and all that!
DaveC wrote: Retail release is now the 25th so I’m willing to give Gamezone until the end of February before I do a charge back. PayPal give you 6 months so plenty of time yet.
Yup this is what I am doing too, just put a reminder in my calendar to get the PayPal refund if there are just tumbleweeds at that point.
Bit of an update on the Gamezone exchange I sent a message to see if there is an update on shipping they responded that they are waiting for Hasbro to dispatch stock from China and it should take a month for them to get it once dispatched. At this point that probably pushes it out to the end of March - PayPal refunds are good to May so it depends how long you want to wait I’ll give it time - what else can you do at this stage.
DaveC wrote: Bit of an update on the Gamezone exchange I sent a message to see if there is an update on shipping they responded that they are waiting for Hasbro to dispatch stock from China and it should take a month for them to get it once dispatched. At this point that probably pushes it out to the end of March - PayPal refunds are good to May so it depends how long you want to wait I’ll give it time - what else can you do at this stage.
I got the same reply.
It still all sounds a bit fishy, because with that statement they can drag it maybe long enough to let the refund window expire.Furthermore I find it strange that Hasbro would send the Gamezone copies from China, although the normal retail copies are in stores already. You would imagine that, as it was noted in November, that Hasbro would send all copies at the same time.
I am getting a bit fed up with these guys.I think I will just ask for a refund with Gamezone and if they don't do that, initiate the Paypal refund option. I'll keep you informed how that goes.
well the deal was pretty last minute, the games were probably ordered (and produced) well beforehand, so if they gave gamezone a bunch of them they could have been shorting others especially as Europe was opened up as a market by the deal
so ordering more from their Chinese factory for gamezone, plus whatever stock they moved to Europe from the original US order would have made sense
(still worth keeping an eye on your paypal complaints closing date though)
Even if you go beyond the Paypal refund window I think you can still contact Paypal for a refund, you just have to present the information very clearly to them. So do keep all communications that you get. At the very least if things go poorly you can present your case to Paypal.
I canceled the order at Gamezone the 24th of February, as I would expect crickets everywhere, while they responded fast at previous enquiries with excuses. I issued a refund through PayPal, and must give Gamezone time to react and refund, but I highly doubt this is the case.
Then I'll escalate it to Paypal, I suggest everyone who ordered the Hasbro game would do the same as history repeats itself from 2014 with the stalling tactics.
Thanks Low_K. I think I have got a calendar reminder mid April - that is getting close to the 6 month PayPal window, so will cancel then if there hasn't been any movement.
The Frozen Horror expansion preorders have started to appear.
Release date Q3 2022
Price £35 to £40
Contents
Female Barbarian (new sculpt)
The Frozen Horror
12 Mercenaries
3 Ice Gremlins
2 Polar Warbears
2 Yetis
2 Ice themed doors
35 cards
3 tiles
6 combat dice (ice themed but same as normal combat dice)
2 Movement dice
Character Pad
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