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HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 07:34:08


Post by: DaveC


UK orders via Zavvi

https://www.zavvi.com/merchandise/hasbro/haslab/heroquest.list?utm_source=08102020-zuk-haslabs-heroquest-launch&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=08102020-zuk-haslabs-heroquest-launch&affil=thgemail&ecrmcid=VNk6bynWB95YvLRykVZQERDOzjAMK240&shae=5RoNuTGe3rDMgWTdXYoGlMpeFX6gGei38iZGndhrkFY%3D&sendTime=1602154800&widget_id=2138659

New Zealand orders via Mighty Ape

https://www.mightyape.co.nz/product/heroquest/33981543

Australian orders from EB Games

https://t.co/WBW1F9GSQ3?amp=1

Possible European release in 2022

https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2020/hero-quest-relaunch-nur-in-nordamerika/

We have now received a response from Hasbro, which we will simply pass on at this point:

“The HeroQuest Game System product is not expected to be available in Europe until 2022. It is currently only available in the USA and Canada. "


https://heroquest.avalonhill.com/en-us

https://mobile.twitter.com/heroquest

Project is live until 6th November

https://hasbropulse.com/products/heroquest-game-system

Heroic Tier $99.99



Mythic Tier $149.99




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 08:18:40


Post by: Racerguy180


well my interest is piqued, as long the minis look good.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 09:10:39


Post by: lord_blackfang


Well that's a box that could literally be filled with cat gak and still sell out.

Gonna have to wait for a review by someone who never played the original, I think.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 09:20:36


Post by: Absolutionis


Isn't this the third 'reboot' of HeroQuest in the past few years? At least this one is by an American company and will probably not get stuck in legal hell.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 09:40:09


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Absolutionis wrote:
Isn't this the third 'reboot' of HeroQuest in the past few years? At least this one is by an American company and will probably not get stuck in legal hell.


Also, it’s Hasbro who published the original, so pretty much a given this is happening



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 09:52:10


Post by: SamusDrake


Another one? Ummm...okay...I sure aint complaining!

10 days now feels like forever...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 09:57:18


Post by: Pacific


And.. the roller coaster ride begins again!

Has this one managed to not have a legal action against it yet??

(Am still hurting in wallet from the last Gamezone attempt)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 10:03:58


Post by: Chillreaper


 Pacific wrote:
And.. the roller coaster ride begins again!

Has this one managed to not have a legal action against it yet??

(Am still hurting in wallet from the last Gamezone attempt)


You and me both.

I have been wistfully staring at eBay over recent weeks, this has just saved me from an ill-judged bid.

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Still no cease and desist?

This might be super legit.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 10:11:24


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


There won’t be one.

Original was a collaboration between MB Games UK, and Games Workshop.

Released in 1989 (1990 in the USA), by which point Hasbro owned MB Games, having acquired it in 1984.

If (and it’s only an if) GW still own any rights, seems a sackful of cash is the simple answer.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 10:17:27


Post by: Dropbear Victim


Ooh this looks interesting. I wonder how it will compare to the original.

I cant see Hasbro having any trouble with the IP. Im pretty sure their lawyers could beat anyones elses lawyers to death and still get off scott free.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 11:13:09


Post by: lord_blackfang


Yeah I don't know why people assume Hasbro will have legal difficulties here just because some noname garage company that had no claim on the original Heroquest had legal difficulties.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 12:21:00


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


It'll be interesting if GW's previews today mention it.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 12:33:06


Post by: porkuslime


Twitch... Twitch (the nervous tic, not the platform)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 12:38:34


Post by: Necronmaniac05


WOnder how this ties in with this:

https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing

Seems odd that Hasbro would grant rights (assuming they are their's to give) to two companies at the same time to develop heroquest related things.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 13:04:06


Post by: Slinky


But where is my Gamezone delivery?

LOL


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 13:13:56


Post by: Pacific


What was happened to that really angry guy that owned the rights to the Heroquest RPG (was it Moon Designs?) - I know there were hand grenades thrown in Gamezone's direction last time from him, is it not expected for that to happen again?

 Slinky wrote:
But where is my Gamezone delivery?

LOL


Yes you have to laugh right otherwise it would be a case of crying.

Can't remember how much I had pledged for the last game (I think getting on for 200 euros), probably the biggest crowdfund bid I have lost I think (even AvP came through with their games eventually).


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 13:41:05


Post by: ced1106


Necronmaniac05 wrote:
WOnder how this ties in with this:

https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing

Seems odd that Hasbro would grant rights (assuming they are their's to give) to two companies at the same time to develop heroquest related things.


Which two companies?

If the second company you're talking about is Chaosium, Chaosium trademarked HeroQuest for it's RPG (in the USA) after Hasbro let the trademark expire. Chaosium was interested in publishing a boardgame named HeroQuest, based on the RPG, not on the Hasbro game. When GameZone announced HeroQuest 25th Anniversary, Chaosium asked for proof of written permission from Hasbro, but GZ never provided it.

Restoration Games has (or looks to have completed) negotiated with Hasbro and Chaosium to license or otherwise settle various IP rights, suchthat RG can create HeroQuest Legacies. Dunno how GW fits into it. IIRC, One of RG's owners is an IP lawyer, and RG has published various Hasbro-owned games, such as Fireball Island, Dark Tower, and Stop Thief.

GameZone never provided written evidence to any party, especially Chaosium, that they had permission from Hasbro, and, iirc, Chaosium took some sort of legal action, while Hasbro and GW did not. However, IIRC, GZ was still able to file a trademark in Spain. Presumably, Chaosium's trademark was USA-only or something to that effect. GZ went bankrupt, so we don't have any idea what would have happened if GZ was able to take the game to market.

One footnote is that IP rights really are murky. Avalon Hill was particularly known for their badly written contracts, resulting in two publishers thinking they had to the rights to Merchant of Venus, a popular boardgame that was OOP for 20+ years, iirc.

See this BGG thread for more info. : https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/2470697/new-heroquest


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 15:03:07


Post by: Sabotage!


Well this is awesome. A copy of Heroquest that will actually be made.

As far as legal issues go, I doubt there will be anyone. I can't think of any gaming company with a suitable stable of lawyers to be willing to go toe to toe with Hasbro. Also they could simply hand said company .000001% of their yearly Magic the Gathering profit and they they would gladly drop the issue.


Whether or not it will be of any quality remains to be seen. I'm pretty sure Hasbro doesn't do in house miniatures anymore (I think WoTC contracts out to Wizkids.......yuck).


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 15:21:01


Post by: ohreally


Also worth noting that the Restoration Games founder(s) are ex-Hasbro employees.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 16:22:24


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Did nobody notice the ESRB sticker in the corner though?

Last I checked that's only something video games get, not board games.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic but I'm thinking this is a digital release. Or perhaps something with a digital component?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 17:18:06


Post by: Ancestral Hamster


Restoration Games appears to have board game rights. So this Avalon Hill/Hasbro version could be a video game (Avalon Hill did have a computer game division at one time), or RPG.

Similarly, two different companies are making official LotR miniatures, but based on two different interpretations of the source material. GW has the rights for Peter Jackson inspired imagery, while Mithril Miniatures uses more traditionalist imagery.

EDIT: Boardgame Geek article on Avalon Hill & Hasbro Heroquest teaser

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
WOnder how this ties in with this:

https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing

Seems odd that Hasbro would grant rights (assuming they are their's to give) to two companies at the same time to develop heroquest related things.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 17:36:01


Post by: Racerguy180


if it's a video game, my interest has been vacated.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 18:19:24


Post by: Hellfury


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There won’t be one.

Original was a collaboration between MB Games UK, and Games Workshop.

Released in 1989 (1990 in the USA), by which point Hasbro owned MB Games, having acquired it in 1984.

If (and it’s only an if) GW still own any rights, seems a sackful of cash is the simple answer.



There will be one. At least a version produced by Hasbro. The gamezone attempt is long dead.

GW's only involvement with heroquest was the citadel miniatures that they provided. I know this for an absolute fact as i know a few people involved in the original project.

Hasbro isnt involving GW, so dont expect fimir, and that sort. And honestly, Hasbro dont need them either. This isnt the late 80's with Milton Bradley. Hasbro makes GW look like an amatuer in the gaming world.

This is happening. And GW will have zero involvement.

The only real question tbat needs to be answered is how this effects Restoration Games' likely futire attempt, since they registered the trademark for "Heroquest Legacies" and it is known that Restoration Games doe not such such things without having all of their legal ducks in a row.

It is doubtful that they are advertising for Restoration games, as hasbro and avalon hill do not do this historically. Once ffg licensed nexus ops from them, they didnt advertise it, and they dropped all mention of nexus ops from their site.

So it now begs the question:

Will we see two versions of Heroquest?


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Did nobody notice the ESRB sticker in the corner though?

Last I checked that's only something video games get, not board games.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic but I'm thinking this is a digital release. Or perhaps something with a digital component?


It should also be noted that this is at the bottom of every avalon hill page.

The "ESRB Privacy" icon there is for the website itself, not for the product. It just means Hasbro claims they won't do anything with your browsing info.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 18:46:50


Post by: DaveC


The official Twitter account for HeroQuest. A board game of high adventure in a world of magic. https://heroquest.avalonhill.com


The twitter page I linked to says board game.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 19:11:39


Post by: Red Corsair


I have the original, but it would be nice to see some new cards and quests and creatures. Hopefully they keep the core mechanics and skull and shield dice though. My biggest turn off from the gamezone defunct version was the really stupid proprietary dice.

It still burns that I dropped $150 on that gamezone lonzanos scam. Mostly the crushed dreams not the money.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 20:25:22


Post by: Absolutionis


Avalon Hill is no stranger to video games. It could just be a physical board game with a mobile app tie-in. However, that ESRB logo does arouse suspicion.


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Here's a quick rundown of the HeroQuest license history on BGG: https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/108728/avalon-hill-teases-return-heroquest


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 20:41:57


Post by: Krinsath


 Absolutionis wrote:
Avalon Hill is no stranger to video games. It could just be a physical board game with a mobile app tie-in. However, that ESRB logo does arouse suspicion.


As mentioned a few posts up, that logo is related to the site itself and not the products. If you look at most of their physical products that logo still appears at the bottom:

https://avalonhill.wizards.com/avalon-hill-axis-allies-anniversary-edition

https://avalonhill.wizards.com/avalon-hill-betrayal-legacy

https://avalonhill.wizards.com/games/diplomacy

Since you can go and absolutely pick up those physical games in stores the ESRB logo clearly is not actually related to the product on the page.

Also, yay for a return of Hero Quest!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/12 20:54:31


Post by: ced1106


> The only real question tbat needs to be answered is how this effects Restoration Games' likely futire attempt, since they registered the trademark for "Heroquest Legacies" and it is known that Restoration Games doe not such such things without having all of their legal ducks in a row.

I was under the impression that RG licensed the rights to make HeroQuest Legacies from Hasbro, like they did with their previous games, such as Stop Thief, Fireball Island, and Dark Tower. As Ohreally said, RG are ex Hasbro employees. And one of the owners is an IP lawyer (?). While the avalonhill.com domain in the HQ URL suggests Hasbro involvement, I doubt that Hasbro and RG are releasing two separate HQ games. Maybe the website suggests some sort of partnership with more Hasbro involvement than RG's previous games licensed from Hasbro.

> Avalon Hill is no stranger to video games. It could just be a physical board game with a mobile app tie-in. However, that ESRB logo does arouse suspicion.

As Hellfury said, the ESRB is for the webpage, not the game. Look for it on their other pages, unless AH makes video games for boardgames that are 20+ years OOP? That said, RG's Stop Thief does use an app, so there's always that possibility of an app assistant to RG's HQL.EDIT: HQ tweet says it's a boardgame. : https://mobile.twitter.com/heroquest

Again, see the BGG link Absolutionis posted for a summary. More details can be found in the HQ RG thread on BGG. : https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/2470697/new-heroquest

EDIT: And this one. : https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2475398/possibly-official-heroquest-reboot-horizon


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 02:45:46


Post by: silent25


 Hellfury wrote:


Hasbro isnt involving GW, so dont expect fimir, and that sort. And honestly, Hasbro dont need them either. This isnt the late 80's with Milton Bradley. Hasbro makes GW look like an amatuer in the gaming world.



FYI GW has a larger market cap than Mattel, Hasbro's primary rival. Hasbro's at 10.77B, GW at 4.25B, Mattel at 3.82B. It's likely someone at Hasbro has seen how GW has been performing over the last couple years is trying to see if they can grab some of that mojo.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 09:20:25


Post by: JWBS


Is Hasbro even the same market? I really don't know so I'm very likely wrong, but gun to my head, I'd say GW is 12-45yo and Hasbro is 3-13yo with a bit or 19-35 for board games etc? How much of Hasbro is even board games? When I think of Hasbro my first though is He-man, Power Rangers type stuff.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 09:48:22


Post by: lord_blackfang


Hasbro owns MTG and D&D


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 11:42:09


Post by: Krinsath


A large number of companies are actually owned by Hasbro and have been for some time; while board games may not make up much of Hasbro's overall business, they are the probably the biggest player in the board games market. From Wikipedia:

Hasbro is the largest producer of board games in the world as a result of its component brands, such as Parker Brothers, Waddingtons, Milton Bradley, Wizards of the Coast, and Avalon Hill (all acquisitions since the 1980s).


Parker Brothers being acquired in 1991 means Hasbro currently publishes Monopoly, Cluedo/Clue, and Risk. While their actual merits as board games can certainly be debated, that they're a major part of the mainstream board game market really isn't in doubt. Throw in Avalon Hill (owned since 1998) and Milton Bradley (owned since 1984) and you've got a pretty large swathe of the market. Worth noting that Hasbro effectively was the publisher of the original HeroQuest since MB was a subsidiary at the time.

I think Hasbro just doesn't feel like making it obvious that they control the lion's share of the market so they publish under a variety of imprints is all.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 11:50:15


Post by: lord_blackfang


Plus why would they drop brand names we've known since childhood?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 13:55:36


Post by: SamusDrake


Now...before we get carried away with the faries...lets take a moment to reflect on why Heroquest was so great in the first place, and to what standard we need to judge by for the new edition...




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 14:24:04


Post by: Chopstick


Hopefully they didn't make the game to cater to short attention span, easily impressed and lazy "gamers" like GW.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 15:18:45


Post by: Stormonu


Chopstick wrote:
Hopefully they didn't make the game to cater to short attention span, easily impressed and lazy "gamers" like GW.




Why don't you just accuse those who play Heroquest being too lazy to play D&D/Warhammer RPG?

The game is what it is and the old one was a great diversion. That's all I ask of the new, whoever publishes it.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 15:25:48


Post by: Voss


JWBS wrote:
Is Hasbro even the same market? I really don't know so I'm very likely wrong, but gun to my head, I'd say GW is 12-45yo and Hasbro is 3-13yo with a bit or 19-35 for board games etc? How much of Hasbro is even board games? When I think of Hasbro my first though is He-man, Power Rangers type stuff.


Well, they do have the power rangers, but also Hasbro is more the GI Joe, Transformers and My Little Pony company

blackfang and Krinsath cover the games pretty well. Since this is done by the Avalon Hill subdivision, think more of their big current games: Axis and Allies, Betrayal at House on the Hill (and spin offs), Risk, and Diplomacy.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 16:51:05


Post by: Pacific


I'm waiting now for that timer to expire and we find out this is for the release of a free-to-play mobile game

SamusDrake wrote:
Now...before we get carried away with the faries...lets take a moment to reflect on why Heroquest was so great in the first place, and to what standard we need to judge by for the new edition...




Haha very good


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 17:06:00


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Pacific wrote:
I'm waiting now for that timer to expire and we find out this is for the release of a free-to-play mobile game



It does look like a graphic doesn't it.

And that video is ACE!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 17:49:22


Post by: Sabotage!


I love that video, very fun.

I know it was made as joke, but man I cannot agree enough on the board part. I really hope they keep the board and don't do modular dungeon tiles. Nothing is more annoying when playing a dungeon crawler than when your dungeon randomly ends up being 7 feet long by 6 inches across and you could not reasonably fit it on a table.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 17:59:05


Post by: ced1106


 Krinsath wrote:
I think Hasbro just doesn't feel like making it obvious that they control the lion's share of the market so they publish under a variety of imprints is all.


I looked at their Wiki, and it's a crazy-quilt of acquisitions! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbro

"Avalon Hill has been under the management of Wizards of the Coast for a number of years, producing an average of one to two games per year since 2016. The brand currently encompasses titles such as Axis & Allies, the Betrayal games, and Diplomacy, all of which will now be managed by Hasbro’s gaming division."

https://www.toynews-online.biz/2020/09/11/hasbro-takes-over-management-of-wizard-of-the-coasts-gaming-brand-avalon-hill/?fbclid=IwAR0zddnZu20ERWfaaI1nMeqBJBb0n6RUDdL9JGgKK4Vyh-mkd42iG9SCUgE


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 20:45:48


Post by: parakuribo


As much as I want to play HQ again, it would be in our best interests to ask ourselves these questions:

1. Is this going to have American, UK or new rules, or all three?

2. Does it still take place in it's own setting, or in the D&D/MTG world?

3. If #2 is the latter, what will happen with the orcs*?

4. Who will be replacing the Fimirs, and will there me a Witchlord?

5. Will there be plastic minis, or standees?

6. How much will it cost, and is this worldwide, or just limited to a certain country?

* Forgive me MODs for using your colour like this, but please just look it up instead of asking why; I don't want to start things, just keeping this related to HQ.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 21:04:57


Post by: Platuan4th


Voss wrote:
JWBS wrote:
Is Hasbro even the same market? I really don't know so I'm very likely wrong, but gun to my head, I'd say GW is 12-45yo and Hasbro is 3-13yo with a bit or 19-35 for board games etc? How much of Hasbro is even board games? When I think of Hasbro my first though is He-man, Power Rangers type stuff.


Well, they do have the power rangers, but also Hasbro is more the GI Joe, Transformers and My Little Pony company.


They've held the Star Wars license for like 20 years and owned Power Rangers for all of 2.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/13 21:23:57


Post by: MobileSuitRandom


 parakuribo wrote:
As much as I want to play HQ again, it would be in our best interests to ask ourselves these questions:

2. Does it still take place in it's own setting, or in the D&D/MTG world?



The pic of the skull dude on the countdown page (who might or might not be the replacement of the original HQ chaos warlock) is named witch-lord and the symbol on his sash is some kind of bug (does this mean anything in DnD/MTG lore?), so I guess they're getting rid of too obvious Warhammer imagery? Spoilered due to size:

Spoiler:


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 01:18:41


Post by: AegisGrimm


If it's a quality board game, I'll likely buy it. I grew up on Hero Quest and Battlemasters, and Tyranid Attack is what got me into 40K.

Hit 'em with the Brode Sode!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 01:58:50


Post by: Voss


 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
 parakuribo wrote:
As much as I want to play HQ again, it would be in our best interests to ask ourselves these questions:

2. Does it still take place in it's own setting, or in the D&D/MTG world?



The pic of the skull dude on the countdown page (who might or might not be the replacement of the original HQ chaos warlock) is named witch-lord and the symbol on his sash is some kind of bug (does this mean anything in DnD/MTG lore?), so I guess they're getting rid of too obvious Warhammer imagery? Spoilered due to size:

Spoiler:


It just looks like a generic scarab image. If you squint, the swirling things on his neck piece are the same basic shape as the Red Mana symbol, but without the fire detail. Coincidence, most likely.
'Witch-lord' definitely doesn't ring any D&D specific bells.

Trust me you'll know if they tie it into D&D/MtG. They aren't shy about that- they'll slap the appropriate logos on- there are about 20 or so D&D-franchise board/dice/card games running around (some of which they licensed out)

For Avalon Hill specifically, Betrayal at House on the Hill has several variants on the Avalon Hill site.
One is Betrayal at Baldur's Gate, has the red Dungeons & Dragons banner along the boxcover.
Another is Scooby Doo! Betrayal at Mystery mansion, with the appropriate cartoon font for Scooby Doo




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 02:39:44


Post by: Mattlov


As I still have 3 copies sitting in my spare room in various conditions...

I'll still buy the crap out of a new one. So many great memories of this game.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 03:28:29


Post by: Absolutionis


 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
The pic of the skull dude on the countdown page (who might or might not be the replacement of the original HQ chaos warlock) is named witch-lord and the symbol on his sash is some kind of bug (does this mean anything in DnD/MTG lore?), so I guess they're getting rid of too obvious Warhammer imagery? Spoilered due to size:
There was a Hero Quest expansion called "Return of the Witch-Lord" which featured an evil character that looked like that art:
Spoiler:

All the basic parts of the Witch-Lord are there with very minor changes. It doesn't look like they're changing anything.

Also remember that the Chaos Warlock in the original core Hero Quest wasn't really a specific enemy. It was a stand-in for the rare big spellcaster baddies you'd encounter. There was even a single escort mission where you had to rescue a prisoner and I believe the manual told you to use the Chaos Sorcerer miniature. Even the "Return of the Witch-Lord" encounter at the end of the expansion says specifically "...Use the Chaos Warlock figure to represent the Witch Lord..." This Hero Quest release may include the Witch Lord as an actual mini with its own sculpt this time.




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Post by: SamusDrake


Seven days? Hate to rain on the parade but we ain't gonna last seven hours!

Its gonna be like before, we're gonna end up playing Dungeon Saga and Ravenloft to pass the time and Hasbro are gonna - and they're gonna - !



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 20:14:02


Post by: Hellfury


This was posted by the head honcho at restoration games:



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 20:46:17


Post by: SamusDrake



Bit strange they would say they were doing one and then not...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 20:53:47


Post by: insaniak


Did they ever actually say they were doing it, or just that they would like to?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 21:08:36


Post by: Hellfury


 insaniak wrote:
Did they ever actually say they were doing it, or just that they would like to?

No, they never said anything about producing heroquest. The populace assumed they were due to the trademark application seen by inquisitive boardgamers. Seems a reasonable assumption to make, really.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 21:15:48


Post by: LunarSol


 insaniak wrote:
Did they ever actually say they were doing it, or just that they would like to?


There was no official announcement that I'm aware of. Someone just noticed that there had been a patent filing. From what I heard from people tangentially connected, it was mostly about trying to start the process to start acquiring everything needed to make it happen and nowhere near it actually happening.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/14 21:50:15


Post by: SamusDrake


Ah, here it is...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/790408.page


...yes, it seems my memory was indeed a bit fuzzy. They had applied for the trademark of "Heroquest Legacies".



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 08:01:09


Post by: ced1106


Well, glad Hasbro FINALLY got this game re-released. I'd like to think RG (and GZ finally going bankrupt) got 'em to re-release this game.

EDIT: This Hasbro graphic mentions Haslab, Hasbro's own crowdfunding platform. : https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab#faq
Spoiler:




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 09:26:25


Post by: lord_blackfang


Watch Ash and the gang try really hard to have fun with OG HeroQuest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmqvVMDW03M

I really hope for the sake of the grognards that this is a full rewrite with slick, modern rules so you don't have to pretend you're enjoying it with gritted teeth.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 10:06:25


Post by: insaniak


 lord_blackfang wrote:

I really hope for the sake of the grognards that this is a full rewrite with slick, modern rules so you don't have to pretend you're enjoying it with gritted teeth.

I hope not. Here's hoping for just a reskin with pretty new models, and hopefully some new expansions to flesh out the collection.

My eldest girl is finally old enough to start in on these sorts of games, and it doesn't look like Super Dungeon Explore is going to arrive anytime soon, so we'll be dusting off the old Heroquest box before too much longer.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 10:33:22


Post by: DaveC


 ced1106 wrote:
Well, glad Hasbro FINALLY got this game re-released. I'd like to think RG (and GZ finally going bankrupt) got 'em to re-release this game.

EDIT: This Hasbro graphic mentions Haslab, Hasbro's own crowdfunding platform. : https://hasbropulse.com/collections/haslab#faq
Spoiler:



If it is Hasbropulse that limits to US and Canada

Shipping Address
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HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 14:08:21


Post by: Pacific


Shame this is a KS (I was hoping for something amazing available a week after the announcement! )

I suppose not a surprise as that is how everything is going these days.

But I can't believe something this big (surely multi-million $ and international appeal) would not be available outside the US.

If I could pledge for that KS with the flying butts with batwings and they could make that international then what's the problem?!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 16:17:33


Post by: LunarSol


 Pacific wrote:

But I can't believe something this big (surely multi-million $ and international appeal) would not be available outside the US.


Very easily could be a rights issue.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 17:43:08


Post by: SamusDrake


 LunarSol wrote:


Very easily could be a rights issue.


Yes it is - a human rights issue!

Every man, woman and child deserves a chance to enjoy this game!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 18:22:27


Post by: parakuribo


...aaaand I delete what I said. Saw something on BGG, thought it was going to be very expensive, and exclusive....looking at ya, Claustrophobia!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 18:28:35


Post by: Pacific


SamusDrake wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:


Very easily could be a rights issue.


Yes it is - a human rights issue!

Every man, woman and child deserves a chance to enjoy this game!


Indeed, sir!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 20:40:09


Post by: Hellfury


 insaniak wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:

I really hope for the sake of the grognards that this is a full rewrite with slick, modern rules so you don't have to pretend you're enjoying it with gritted teeth.

I hope not. Here's hoping for just a reskin with pretty new models, and hopefully some new expansions to flesh out the collection.

My eldest girl is finally old enough to start in on these sorts of games, and it doesn't look like Super Dungeon Explore is going to arrive anytime soon, so we'll be dusting off the old Heroquest box before too much longer.


There really are some things that desperately need an update though. Like rolling to move being the most needed change to be made among a small handful of others.

Just reprinting it like it is, will only make the people who already own the game happy. And that doesnt make much business sense.

They want those who own the game to buy it again, so that they will also buy the expansions if any.

You know they arent going to make any redux of the game compatible with the old version, as this is Hasborg we are talking about. They will want to coerce the loyal fans to purchase it all over again.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/15 22:49:19


Post by: ced1106


 Pacific wrote:
Shame this is a KS (I was hoping for something amazing available a week after the announcement! )

I suppose not a surprise as that is how everything is going these days.

But I can't believe something this big (surely multi-million $ and international appeal) would not be available outside the US.

If I could pledge for that KS with the flying butts with batwings and they could make that international then what's the problem?!


Well, while Haslab is still crowdfunding, it's not KS. Haslab has only three previous projects (?) and they seem to be high-end figures.

So what *might* happen is that Haslab will have a deluxe version of HQ for crowdfunding. Hasbro should know it's a popular game in the hobby market, which has more money and wants higher quality components.

What then might happen is that Hasbro gets a better idea of sales for a retail version. If you remember Magic the Gathering: Arena of the Ancients, that was an example of retail product that had both miniatures and a gameboard. The components were cheap, and the game came and went. But it shows a speculatively possibility of a retail HQ.

I guess we'll find out in about a week...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/16 08:46:05


Post by: Zenithfleet


 Hellfury wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:

I really hope for the sake of the grognards that this is a full rewrite with slick, modern rules so you don't have to pretend you're enjoying it with gritted teeth.

I hope not. Here's hoping for just a reskin with pretty new models, and hopefully some new expansions to flesh out the collection.

My eldest girl is finally old enough to start in on these sorts of games, and it doesn't look like Super Dungeon Explore is going to arrive anytime soon, so we'll be dusting off the old Heroquest box before too much longer.


There really are some things that desperately need an update though. Like rolling to move being the most needed change to be made among a small handful of others.

Just reprinting it like it is, will only make the people who already own the game happy. And that doesnt make much business sense.

They want those who own the game to buy it again, so that they will also buy the expansions if any.

You know they arent going to make any redux of the game compatible with the old version, as this is Hasborg we are talking about. They will want to coerce the loyal fans to purchase it all over again.


Rolling to move is one of the reasons why the original HeroQuest did so well.

It made perfect sense to anyone whose only experience of boardgames was Monopoly, Ludo/Parcheesi/Trouble, etc. And there are still plenty of people in that camp.

Also--more so in the UK/Euro version, which was aimed at a somewhat younger audience than the North American one and allows for more competition between the heroes--it means you have to 'race' your brother/sister/aunt/dad to the treasure chest and can't be sure you'll make it, as opposed to being able to calculate everything in advance. Plus it makes it dicier (ahem) when trying to get away from a monster chasing you.

A HeroQuest aimed at grognards, or the hobby boardgame market, would be pretty cool... but it would go against the whole point of the original HeroQuest, which was to sneakily disguise 'my first RPG' in family boardgame form. Emphasis on family. (Though, again, more so in the UK/Euro version than the North American one--the latter was more obviously D&D lite.)

It was the equivalent of the 8-bit Nintendo Entertainment System looking like a VCR and coming packaged with a mostly useless toy robot, so as to not ping the threat/gak detectors of parents leery of video games after the Atari crash.

Will be interesting to see what Hasbro considers the purpose of the new version.

@insaniak--have you got some female player characters handy from Reaper Minis or similar? I've read a few stories by parents about how their daughters a) love HeroQuest but b) object to the the all-male 80s hero lineup.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/16 18:35:49


Post by: Hellfury


Zenithfleet wrote:
 Hellfury wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:

I really hope for the sake of the grognards that this is a full rewrite with slick, modern rules so you don't have to pretend you're enjoying it with gritted teeth.

I hope not. Here's hoping for just a reskin with pretty new models, and hopefully some new expansions to flesh out the collection.

My eldest girl is finally old enough to start in on these sorts of games, and it doesn't look like Super Dungeon Explore is going to arrive anytime soon, so we'll be dusting off the old Heroquest box before too much longer.


There really are some things that desperately need an update though. Like rolling to move being the most needed change to be made among a small handful of others.

Just reprinting it like it is, will only make the people who already own the game happy. And that doesnt make much business sense.

They want those who own the game to buy it again, so that they will also buy the expansions if any.

You know they arent going to make any redux of the game compatible with the old version, as this is Hasborg we are talking about. They will want to coerce the loyal fans to purchase it all over again.


Rolling to move is one of the reasons why the original HeroQuest did so well.


It did so well, because ot was about the only mainstream widely available game to be a dungeon crawl.

Claiming that its popularity was due to rolling to move is a bit questionable, at best.


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Post by: lord_blackfang


It will certainly be interesting to see how it does in a world filled with actually good dungeon crawls.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/16 20:16:38


Post by: insaniak


 Hellfury wrote:

It did so well, because ot was about the only mainstream widely available game to be a dungeon crawl.

Claiming that its popularity was due to rolling to move is a bit questionable, at best.

Crediting its success on rolling to move specifically, maybe. But the fact that it was very much a boardgame, with familiar boardgame mechanics would have been likely to make it seem more accessible to non-wargamers. It certainly wound up on the boardgame shelves of an awful lot of people with no interest in more conventional wargames.


Zenithfleet wrote:
@insaniak--have you got some female player characters handy from Reaper Minis or similar? I've read a few stories by parents about how their daughters a) love HeroQuest but b) object to the the all-male 80s hero lineup.

Yup, plenty of candidates for substitute player characters!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/16 20:26:41


Post by: Philhelm


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It'll be interesting if GW's previews today mention it.


It could be possible that they won't even use GW's IP.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Hellfury wrote:
Zenithfleet wrote:
 Hellfury wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:

I really hope for the sake of the grognards that this is a full rewrite with slick, modern rules so you don't have to pretend you're enjoying it with gritted teeth.

I hope not. Here's hoping for just a reskin with pretty new models, and hopefully some new expansions to flesh out the collection.

My eldest girl is finally old enough to start in on these sorts of games, and it doesn't look like Super Dungeon Explore is going to arrive anytime soon, so we'll be dusting off the old Heroquest box before too much longer.


There really are some things that desperately need an update though. Like rolling to move being the most needed change to be made among a small handful of others.

Just reprinting it like it is, will only make the people who already own the game happy. And that doesnt make much business sense.

They want those who own the game to buy it again, so that they will also buy the expansions if any.

You know they arent going to make any redux of the game compatible with the old version, as this is Hasborg we are talking about. They will want to coerce the loyal fans to purchase it all over again.


Rolling to move is one of the reasons why the original HeroQuest did so well.


It did so well, because ot was about the only mainstream widely available game to be a dungeon crawl.

Claiming that its popularity was due to rolling to move is a bit questionable, at best.


I think what it boils down to is that HeroQuest has more of a classic board game feel than modern dungeon crawlers, and that the dice movement is one element of that.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/18 21:15:30


Post by: Hellfury


I think its safe to say that if hasbro is going through all this effort to maintain consistency in art direction with the old edition of the game, that they are probably being just as consistent with the rest of the production. Its an assumption, but its at least a rational assumption backed by a small amount of evidence.

You might not be able to mix the two editions together, but they seem likely to be pretty darn close all the same.

Exhibit A was the witchlords, and now Exhibit B:





Its actully quite impressive the lengths they seem to be going to for that. Im not sure how you can nit pick that unless you go so far as to comment on left versus right handed potion swigging.

[Edit] ill givenitna shot anyways and comment on his ears being the preferred target size for mike tyson.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/20 06:48:17


Post by: Ahtman


A disturbance was felt in the force and a new video appeared:




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Post by: Denny


As I've gotten older I've learnt to temper my expectations with any game/film/whatever and learnt to appreciate them for what they are, not some ill-defined nostalgic aspiration of what they might be.

Having said that seven year old Denny is squealing with excitement at the prospect of Heroquest and will no doubt soon be consumed by bitter disappointment no matter how great the game is or isn't.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/20 10:11:49


Post by: Whittlesey40k


Hellfury, where did that "exhibit B" come from? I've not seen anything other than the witchlord.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/20 10:12:57


Post by: DaveC


 Whittlesey40k wrote:
Hellfury, where did that "exhibit B" come from? I've not seen anything other than the witchlord.


https://mobile.twitter.com/heroquest


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/20 12:33:28


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Love that video but his first point may be moot.

Talisman Legendary Journeys (a junior version my kids love) offers both male and female versions of all the heroes. I'd expect new HQ to do the same.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/20 12:46:53


Post by: bantha_beast


 Ahtman wrote:
A disturbance was felt in the force and a new video appeared:




The main thing the new Heroquest really needs is the Broadsword ..




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Post by: Nostromodamus


Is it weird I have the Broadsword and Fire of Wrath cards on my coffee table at all times so that my wife and I can reenact the advert on a whim?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/20 14:36:07


Post by: SamusDrake


 Nostromodamus wrote:
Is it weird I have the Broadsword and Fire of Wrath cards on my coffee table at all times so that my wife and I can reenact the advert on a whim?


Please do that as a video. Just do it.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 02:18:32


Post by: Zethnar


 insaniak wrote:
 Hellfury wrote:

It did so well, because ot was about the only mainstream widely available game to be a dungeon crawl.

Claiming that its popularity was due to rolling to move is a bit questionable, at best.

Crediting its success on rolling to move specifically, maybe. But the fact that it was very much a boardgame, with familiar boardgame mechanics would have been likely to make it seem more accessible to non-wargamers. It certainly wound up on the boardgame shelves of an awful lot of people with no interest in more conventional wargames.


I'm fairly sure most folks purchased the game without knowing squat about the mechanics. Whether it was roll and move or set move would have made literally zero difference to its target audience.

The game did well because it was in toy stores and it was the only game of its type when it came out. Plus it was advertised on tv to impressionable kids. The fact that it ended up being fun was a bonus as it meant it would get those all-important word of mouth sales.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 06:51:53


Post by: insaniak


 Zethnar wrote:

I'm fairly sure most folks purchased the game without knowing squat about the mechanics. Whether it was roll and move or set move would have made literally zero difference to its target audience.

Yes, and no. Some people buy a boardgame because it looks cool on the shelf, or in the ad. Some people buy a boardgame because they played someone else's copy of it and enjoyed it.

The mechanics of the game most certainly make a difference to the latter group.


The game did well because it was in toy stores and it was the only game of its type when it came out. Plus it was advertised on tv to impressionable kids. The fact that it ended up being fun was a bonus as it meant it would get those all-important word of mouth sales.

It was also pretty expensive, as board games went at the time. I only wound up with my copy because the local toy store had it for half price when they were clearing it out... I couldn't afford it at full price, and wouldn't have bought it at all if I hadn't already known it was fun to play.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 07:12:34


Post by: solkan


Counter point: The number of different versions of Monopoly that I've seen my brother's family purchase.

Or rather, "Is this fun to play?" seems at times to have nothing to do with rationality.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 07:23:13


Post by: Hanskrampf


 solkan wrote:
Counter point: The number of different versions of Monopoly that I've seen my brother's family purchase.

Or rather, "Is this fun to play?" seems at times to have nothing to do with rationality.

I think a lot of the games that are popular have to do with childhood memories and if the games were fun as kids.

I immensely enjoyed HeroQuest as a kid and it was the gateway that brought me into wargaming a few years later.
I enjoyed Monopoly as a kid, had the normal version and a Star Wars one; now I hate it, because it's really a gak game to be honest.
Risk is also a game that has a million editions but unlike Monopoly, I still think it's fun. And every version brings something new and different to the game, that makes it interesting.

As for HeroQuest, I watched Ebay and Facebook groups again and again to get a copy to play with my kids. I hope this version is close to the old one, because let's be honest, it should not be targeted at seasoned board- and wargamers. To kids, it doesn't matter if the game is balanced or the biggest RNG fest ever; it needs to be fun. And HeroQuest was simple and fun.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 07:48:52


Post by: Messiah


I agree that it should be simple and fun, but making it too close to the original would mean I am not interested at all, and would not recommend it, just as I don’t recommend people buy older games where a better game has filled the niche. Same goes for Yatzy (buy Ganz Schön Clever instead), Monopoly (Buy literally any game from the 21st century), Risk (Game of Thrones, Small World etc).

I played HeroQuest quite a lot when I was small, which meant I got tired of the mechanics even back then. My nostalgia is for the feeling of the world and the dungeon crawl, not for the mechanics, and I would not want to foist 30 year old mechanics on someone when there have been innovations in the field making games both easier and more fun.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 10:51:33


Post by: Sarouan


I too remember Heroquest fondly as I played as a kid, but then I was fond of "books where you are the hero".

The fact it was a game with one player being the sorcerer Morkar (dungeon master) and the others being the heroes says it all. It was designed as RPG boardgame, in the end. I totally agree with the bard when he says about the small things with the sheets where you can name your hero and even draw your own coat of arms. That was part of our fun and immersion - it's not the same with named heroes.

It's certainly not a modern dungeon crawler game you can find nowadays. Boy did I have fun with the sticker book, making my own adventures...even if it was filled quickly.

Releasing a new heroquest now, I'd say the main point is profiting of nostalgy. So if it's a boardgame, I too lean into a game similar than the original one, but with miniatures and accessories fitting to what you can do nowadays.

I would love to have rules to make our own adventures, our own heroes and so on as well.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 12:22:51


Post by: ced1106


> I think a lot of the games that are popular have to do with childhood memories and if the games were fun as kids.

I remember reading an article pointing out that it was the parents buying the games, so parents -- and I don't mean gamers -- buy games they're already familiar with. On top of this, pretty much all of these "classic" games are less expensive than hobby ones. And, yeah, you did have fun as a kid, because the adults didn't care about the game, they were there to spend time with you.

I still hope we'll have a high-end version for the hobbyists, and an inexpensive retail version for the kids.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 13:21:45


Post by: Pacific


I actually don't mind the prospect of playing something simple or straightforward in that kind of setting.

I can't be the only one who has seen games of Descent crawl onto more than 3 hours a game, with players arguing over minutiae of spells or wargear effects (as good as that game can sometimes be.)
I haven't played Gloomhaven, but from what I have read, it's not one to throw in front of inexperienced gamers or people who wouldn't normally play a tabletop game of this nature.

I'm hoping for something that captures the spirit of the original. Maybe an evolution (rather than revolution) of the rules to include developments of the last 30 years, and some high quality components and board game pieces that you can do a decent job of painting.
Hopefully, that won't be too much to ask!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 13:31:41


Post by: pancakeonions


Keen to learn more... tomorrow morning can't come soon enough!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 13:41:41


Post by: SamusDrake


 Ahtman wrote:
A disturbance was felt in the force and a new video appeared:




An instant youtube classic for referencing DUNE alone.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 14:03:11


Post by: Alcibiades


Wait. HeroQuest the old Runequest spinoff?


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Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Alcibiades wrote:
Wait. HeroQuest the old Runequest spinoff?


No I think they're talking about the old Sierra Interactive game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_Glory:_So_You_Want_to_Be_a_Hero



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 14:39:42


Post by: SamusDrake


 ced1106 wrote:
> I think a lot of the games that are popular have to do with childhood memories and if the games were fun as kids.

I remember reading an article pointing out that it was the parents buying the games, so parents -- and I don't mean gamers -- buy games they're already familiar with. On top of this, pretty much all of these "classic" games are less expensive than hobby ones. And, yeah, you did have fun as a kid, because the adults didn't care about the game, they were there to spend time with you.

I still hope we'll have a high-end version for the hobbyists, and an inexpensive retail version for the kids.


They could provide both basic and advanced rules. If not, maybe this version of HQ could prove popular enough to greenlight a more advanced game, although I'd much rather they put the effort into expansions or even a new version of Space Crusade. I suppose there is always Space Hulk...but there's no "Dreadnought!" to be had.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 20:07:39


Post by: Hellfury


24 hours to go...

One more image from twitter:



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 20:10:43


Post by: SamusDrake


But thats a whole 'nuther day!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 20:48:01


Post by: Hanskrampf


 Hellfury wrote:
24 hours to go...

One more image from twitter:


This is giving me all the right vibes.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 21:38:45


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Gents.

Why I remain suitably hopeful for this?

2020 has taught me to brace for sheer disappointment.

But, my own personal 2020 hell has recently shown a silver lining, so hopefully it’s just wariness.

Even so. All hands, brace for impact


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 22:05:44


Post by: Casbyness


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Gents.

Why I remain suitably hopeful for this?

2020 has taught me to brace for sheer disappointment.

But, my own personal 2020 hell has recently shown a silver lining, so hopefully it’s just wariness.

Even so. All hands, brace for impact


Usually it's the bad news you didn't expect that turns out to be true, so I always try to predict as many poor outcomes as possible, to ensure those don't become reality

We should just brainstorm disappointments to avoid them happening.

- Mobile/free to play game
- Card standees instead of miniatures
- 2022 release date
- Crowdfunded and never delivered
- USA only
- Heroquest re-skin of a terrible game
- No rights to Warhammer lore, therefore no Bloodthirster or Witch King backstory, etc
- No furniture miniatures
- Overall terrible game design
- Priced over $150
- Released in pieces over time
- Terrible miniature quality


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 22:18:52


Post by: SamusDrake


If its a mobile game we'll all be asking if its an out of date april fools joke.

Seriously, that would be the biggest slap in the face.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 22:27:26


Post by: Vorian


The twitter page mentions a board game, I think we're pretty safe on that front.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/21 23:38:27


Post by: insaniak


 Casbyness wrote:
- No rights to Warhammer lore, therefore no Bloodthirster or Witch King backstory, etc


There was no Bloodthirster in the original Heroquest. There was a gargoyle, that was loosely based on the design of the Bloodthirster of the time, which was loosely based on the design of a D&D demon. It would take the current owners of D&D all of 30 seconds to find an alternate design.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 00:57:25


Post by: ced1106


Alcibiades wrote:
Wait. HeroQuest the old Runequest spinoff?


Not a direct reply, but for those interested in the IP history of the HQ trademark...

"Fast forward to 1989. Milton Bradley and Games Workshop jointly published HeroQuest, a boxed adventure board game with miniatures. The generic fantasy game had nothing to do with Glorantha or RuneQuest. I interviewed Greg about this a few years ago and he was surprised they had used the name, but there was nothing Chaosium could do about it. You can't copyright a totally unpublished manuscript. Copyright is not the same as trademark, and you can't easily trademark an unpublished game, especially one that kept getting delayed. Games Workshop applied for the Trademark in 1989, and it was granted in 1992. The boardgame went out of print by 1997 and the Trademark lapsed in 1999 when it was not renewed. When Greg found out the trademark had lapsed he applied for it in 2001, was granted it in 2002, and started using in in 2003. Moon Design Publications is the current holder of the HeroQuest Trademark, having purchased all of Greg's Glorantha/RuneQuest/HeroQuest IP a few years ago. Most Trademarks have a 10 year life span, although they can be renewed easily if the trademark is still in active use." (Post from 2019)
https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/9337-heroquest-ip-history/

Greg Stafford passed away. Chaosium's HeroQuest RPG has been renamed QuestWorlds. I'm going to guess Chaosium sold or otherwise negotiated the whatever rights to HeroQuest to Hasbro.
https://www.chaosium.com/blogannouncing-the-questworlds-srd-the-ruleslite-and-preplite-rpg-engine/

Restoration Games filed HeroQuest Legacies on an "intent to use basis", but is not involved with the upcoming release of HeroQuest. "Although you may file an application based on a bona fide intent, this filing basis is not a basis for registration, so your mark will not be registered until you convert the application to one based on use in commerce "
https://twitter.com/RestorationGame/status/1305553152205258758
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/basis#intent

And why did Hasbro let its trademark lapse? I'm guessing because you have to actively maintain a trademark by, say, publishing games that use the trademark. Sorry, you can't trademark your Battle Masters Christmas ornaments.
https://www.trademarknow.com/blog/six-frustrating-ways-lose-trademark-rights#:~:text=That%20means%20%22If%20you%20don,considered%20abandonment%20unless%20proven%20otherwise.
https://www.trademarknow.com/blog/4-considerations-before-purchasing-a-dead-trademark
https://trademarks.justia.com/777/82/battle-77782275.html

A few commented that Haslab, as far as we know, will not make HQ available outside of the US. My random speculation is that the HeroQuest trademark (or the equivalent) is still owned by another party outside of the US (mebbe GameZone, who knows), and Hasbro doesn't see the legal costs and resources are worth it from their crowdfunding point of view. : "Trademark squatting is when one party intentionally files a trademark application for a second party's registered trademark in a country where the second party does not currently hold a trademark registration. They take advantage of the "first-to-file" trademark system (not to be confused with first-to-file patent systems) in that country. While the United States has a "use-based" trademark system where trademark rights are acquired by "priority of use," most other countries around the world have a first-to-file system, awarding trademark rights to the first applicant. When bad-faith filers obtain registrations in a particular country, they are treated as legal trademark owners in that country. A bad-faith filer's intent is usually to get the true trademark owner to purchase the trademark registration."
https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/newsletter/inventors-eye/dont-sit-and-wait-stopping-trademark-squatters



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 01:10:23


Post by: Casbyness


SamusDrake wrote:
If its a mobile game we'll all be asking if its an out of date april fools joke.

Seriously, that would be the biggest slap in the face.


"DoN't yOu pEopLE hAve pHOnEs?"



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 01:18:43


Post by: Ahtman


Not just mobile but one that uses cards to determine actions/outcomes, as well as items, and you have to buy digital booster packs to get better options.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 01:22:50


Post by: Casbyness


 insaniak wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:
- No rights to Warhammer lore, therefore no Bloodthirster or Witch King backstory, etc


There was no Bloodthirster in the original Heroquest. There was a gargoyle, that was loosely based on the design of the Bloodthirster of the time, which was loosely based on the design of a D&D demon. It would take the current owners of D&D all of 30 seconds to find an alternate design.


True, but still - the design was very, very similar to the original GW Bloodthirster model, with just the awe swapped out for a sword and less of a dynamic pose (especially with the whip position/design).

I guess the Fimir might be less generic and more under threat?

Dang this is really casting my mind back to all those nostalgic memories of Heroquest and Advanced Heroquest. The sheer unadulterated LUSTRE of the miniatures, games and lore back then. Walking into a GW store was like stepping into Narnia, so many great times collecting, painting and playing...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 01:25:07


Post by: kestral


I like the sound of this. Could be one of the best things in 2020.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 02:48:18


Post by: insaniak


 Casbyness wrote:

True, but still - the design was very, very similar to the original GW Bloodthirster model, with just the awe swapped out for a sword and less of a dynamic pose (especially with the whip position/design).

Yes, I'm aware that it was styled after the Bloodthirster. I said as much. My point was that even if it is a problem for Hasbro to continue to use the GW design that was cribbed from a D&D monster manual to begin with, the current owners of the D&D IP are not likely to have any great difficulty sourcing an alternate gargoyle or demon design. It doesn't actually have to look like a Bloodthirster (and probably makes more sense if it doesn't)... but it doesn't necessarily have to look considerably different, either.


I guess the Fimir might be less generic and more under threat?

Yes, unless the license agreement for the original game was incredibly open-ended (which, given some of the stupid oversights around GW IP that came out during the Chapterhouse case, is certainly possible) Fimir are unlikely to exist in the new game, as unlike the Bloodthirster they actually are a GW/Citadel creation.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 04:10:22


Post by: griffen127


I still have my copy in very good shape. Are these worth anything? I remember playing with my friends around a lantern for hours. It was a great time back then. I wonder if I should let it go so others could have great memories. Can’t wait to see what the new game will look like.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 04:17:22


Post by: Voss


 insaniak wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:

True, but still - the design was very, very similar to the original GW Bloodthirster model, with just the awe swapped out for a sword and less of a dynamic pose (especially with the whip position/design).

Yes, I'm aware that it was styled after the Bloodthirster. I said as much. My point was that even if it is a problem for Hasbro to continue to use the GW design that was cribbed from a D&D monster manual to begin with,

just one more step. The D&D monster manual design was cribbed from Tolkien.
Balrog->Balor->Bloodthirster->HQuest Gargoyle.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 04:26:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Never played HeroQuest, but am a massive fan of Warhammer Quest.

Is there any overlap there?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 04:30:48


Post by: insaniak


 griffen127 wrote:
I still have my copy in very good shape. Are these worth anything?

The base game isn't super-valuable, as quite a lot of them still pop up on the second hand market. Some of the expansions go for silly money, particularly the later, US-only ones which weren't particularly big sellers and so are quite rare now.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Never played HeroQuest, but am a massive fan of Warhammer Quest.

Is there any overlap there?

I haven't played Warhammer Quest, but from what I've seen of it, no, very little other than some similar player-character archetypes. The Heroquest mechanics are much more boardgamey, and character advancement is really quite minimal - you can collect some weapons and armour that slightly improve your attack or defense, but that's pretty much it.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 04:49:16


Post by: Casbyness


 griffen127 wrote:
I still have my copy in very good shape. Are these worth anything? I remember playing with my friends around a lantern for hours. It was a great time back then. I wonder if I should let it go so others could have great memories. Can’t wait to see what the new game will look like.


The valuable elements are (in ascending order) the Orge Horde expansion, the Wizards of Morcar expansion, then the very limited 'Barbarian Quest' and 'Elf Quest' sets.

The 'Adventure Design kit' is a weird one - I know some people who consider it common/low value and others who've never even heard of it.

On a related note, the Space Crusade expansion packs are also worth a lot these days. I find this funny since back in the day I bought about ten copies of "Mission Dreadnought" because those advanced Chaos Dreadnought designs and the lascannon turret models were just awesome

One day I'll summon the patience to piece my Wizards of Morcar set back together, I know all the minis and cards etc are around here somewhere...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 05:04:29


Post by: Just Tony


I'm not forming a single opinion about this until I see miniatures.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 05:32:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Just Tony wrote:
I'm not forming a single opinion about this until I see miniatures.
All the other HeroQuest products listed their contents as having "finely detailed Citadel Miniatures" (or as "finely detailed" as one could get in plastic back then! ).

I doubt this will have that brand name though.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 09:08:13


Post by: Just Tony


Whether it's branded Citadel or not, if it gives me some rando character models for WFB or some soldier models that would be worth purchasing multiple sets, I'll be on board.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 09:38:27


Post by: rosafari


Is the Advanced Quest edition (Not Advanced Heroquest) worth anything? I presume it was a more limited release? It used multiple boards for some quests - though I think it only came with one and you had to club together to play properly without lots of resets.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 09:43:40


Post by: Hanskrampf


 rosafari wrote:
Is the Advanced Quest edition (Not Advanced Heroquest) worth anything? I presume it was a more limited release? It used multiple boards for some quests - though I think it only came with one and you had to club together to play properly without lots of resets.

It's the original HeroQuest with a "Master Adventure" and additonal rules and models for Landsknechte/mercenaries. The Master Adventure used 4 (6?) boards, you simply set up the new board after leaving one. No need for multiple copies.
It's basically HeroQuest 1.5


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 10:04:58


Post by: rosafari


Surely that depends if you want to split the party? I definitely played it with more than one board at some point, but maybe that was just kids being impatient!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 13:09:15


Post by: Pacific


 rosafari wrote:
Is the Advanced Quest edition (Not Advanced Heroquest) worth anything? I presume it was a more limited release? It used multiple boards for some quests - though I think it only came with one and you had to club together to play properly without lots of resets.


I think for both of them, based on when I last looked, you could sell a complete/good condition version and have enough money for a PS5 or a very cheap car! That was when they were up for sale, think the same with Warhammer Quest (which goes for absolutely nuts amounts of money when you can actually find a copy for sale).



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 14:08:07


Post by: SamusDrake


 Casbyness wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
If its a mobile game we'll all be asking if its an out of date april fools joke.

Seriously, that would be the biggest slap in the face.


"DoN't yOu pEopLE hAve pHOnEs?"



No! We're so damn poor we only have pens, you see! And dice!

LOL, still can't get over that Blizzard presentation. Comedy deluxe!




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 14:53:21


Post by: Old-Four-Arms


 ced1106 wrote:
Alcibiades wrote:
Wait. HeroQuest the old Runequest spinoff?


Not a direct reply, but for those interested in the IP history of the HQ trademark...

"Fast forward to 1989. Milton Bradley and Games Workshop jointly published HeroQuest, a boxed adventure board game with miniatures. The generic fantasy game had nothing to do with Glorantha or RuneQuest. I interviewed Greg about this a few years ago and he was surprised they had used the name, but there was nothing Chaosium could do about it. You can't copyright a totally unpublished manuscript. Copyright is not the same as trademark, and you can't easily trademark an unpublished game, especially one that kept getting delayed. Games Workshop applied for the Trademark in 1989, and it was granted in 1992. The boardgame went out of print by 1997 and the Trademark lapsed in 1999 when it was not renewed. When Greg found out the trademark had lapsed he applied for it in 2001, was granted it in 2002, and started using in in 2003. Moon Design Publications is the current holder of the HeroQuest Trademark, having purchased all of Greg's Glorantha/RuneQuest/HeroQuest IP a few years ago. Most Trademarks have a 10 year life span, although they can be renewed easily if the trademark is still in active use." (Post from 2019)
https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/9337-heroquest-ip-history/

Greg Stafford passed away. Chaosium's HeroQuest RPG has been renamed QuestWorlds. I'm going to guess Chaosium sold or otherwise negotiated the whatever rights to HeroQuest to Hasbro.
https://www.chaosium.com/blogannouncing-the-questworlds-srd-the-ruleslite-and-preplite-rpg-engine/

Restoration Games filed HeroQuest Legacies on an "intent to use basis", but is not involved with the upcoming release of HeroQuest. "Although you may file an application based on a bona fide intent, this filing basis is not a basis for registration, so your mark will not be registered until you convert the application to one based on use in commerce "
https://twitter.com/RestorationGame/status/1305553152205258758
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/basis#intent

And why did Hasbro let its trademark lapse? I'm guessing because you have to actively maintain a trademark by, say, publishing games that use the trademark. Sorry, you can't trademark your Battle Masters Christmas ornaments.
https://www.trademarknow.com/blog/six-frustrating-ways-lose-trademark-rights#:~:text=That%20means%20%22If%20you%20don,considered%20abandonment%20unless%20proven%20otherwise.
https://www.trademarknow.com/blog/4-considerations-before-purchasing-a-dead-trademark
https://trademarks.justia.com/777/82/battle-77782275.html

A few commented that Haslab, as far as we know, will not make HQ available outside of the US. My random speculation is that the HeroQuest trademark (or the equivalent) is still owned by another party outside of the US (mebbe GameZone, who knows), and Hasbro doesn't see the legal costs and resources are worth it from their crowdfunding point of view. : "Trademark squatting is when one party intentionally files a trademark application for a second party's registered trademark in a country where the second party does not currently hold a trademark registration. They take advantage of the "first-to-file" trademark system (not to be confused with first-to-file patent systems) in that country. While the United States has a "use-based" trademark system where trademark rights are acquired by "priority of use," most other countries around the world have a first-to-file system, awarding trademark rights to the first applicant. When bad-faith filers obtain registrations in a particular country, they are treated as legal trademark owners in that country. A bad-faith filer's intent is usually to get the true trademark owner to purchase the trademark registration."
https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/newsletter/inventors-eye/dont-sit-and-wait-stopping-trademark-squatters



According to https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk, Heroquest is still a registered trademark (UK00001355871) by Hasbro UK... hoping that it's not going to be US-only


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:02:40


Post by: SamusDrake


ONE HOUR TO GO!!!!




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:18:59


Post by: The Phazer


Haslab is resolutely North America only, at least mostly because of Hasbro's internal structure more than anything else, and has shown no sign of changing even when that structure has really caused some problems recently.

I would safely assume that isn't going to change any time soon.

However, for Haslab's Unicron project they did eventually let some international retailers sell it and added their numbers to the total. But it was months later, and only after they had to extend the deadline as the project failed it's goal. For Jabba's sail barge they sold some additional units on ebay internationally after it was released, but that was it.

Hasbro are very, very bad at the international stuff. They make Games Workshop look like a super modern global operating company.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:41:33


Post by: pancakeonions


How many people are sitting in the lobby waiting?

This is so silly, I never played the game and have no history with it... False nostalgia! lol




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:44:07


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Niiiiiiiiineteen minutes to go.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:53:02


Post by: Hellfury


 insaniak wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:

I guess the Fimir might be less generic and more under threat?

Yes, unless the license agreement for the original game was incredibly open-ended (which, given some of the stupid oversights around GW IP that came out during the Chapterhouse case, is certainly possible) Fimir are unlikely to exist in the new game, as unlike the Bloodthirster they actually are a GW/Citadel creation.


Do you honestly think Hasbro would give any money to GW in order to license a fimir? The figure whose background is founded primarily on literal rape?

That would be fiscally irresponsible to the shareholders of hasbro, as the offensiveness of that model is not even remotely acceptable on any sane level.

Yeah, they could change the background. But whats the point? Google "fimir" and youre immediately chauffeured to its regrettable background. It may as well be etched in stone.

There is not a chance in hell, out of all these rumours flying around, that fimir will reprise their appearance.

I guess we will find out in 10 minutes more if the reveal is thorough.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:55:52


Post by: frankelee


Hasbro Pulse has a Youtube event starting at noon, 8 minutes from now. On phone so I can't link, but it's easy to find if you Google website. Maybe the timer will lead us their for live announcement.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:58:43


Post by: Hellfury


Youtube livestream in a couple mins

https://youtu.be/GF5M7tIQsfk


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 15:59:45


Post by: DaveC


frankelee wrote:
Hasbro Pulse has a Youtube event starting at noon, 8 minutes from now. On phone so I can't link, but it's easy to find if you Google website. Maybe the timer will lead us their for live announcement.





HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:05:32


Post by: DaveC


https://heroquest.avalonhill.com/en-us

Nice updated art

But it's a Hasbro pulse project so US and Canada only. $99.99 or $149.99. $1,000,000 funding goal.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:06:17


Post by: CorwinB


 DaveC wrote:
https://heroquest.avalonhill.com/en-us

Nice updated art

But it's a Hasbro pulse project so likely US and Canada only


Damn, that sucks. :(


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:07:17


Post by: Casbyness


Some female Orcs, awesome Gobbos, and the Fimir have been replaced by Deep One fishfolk


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:10:52


Post by: Siygess


Female elf, less realistic art? Bardicbroadcasts was on the money there! Some nice touches with the models, especially the skeleton with the scythe. Very Pathfinder-y goblins, too.

Too bad about the NA and Canada only thing :(


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:11:36


Post by: Necronmaniac05


Yup nobody outside the US or Canada is getting this.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:12:18


Post by: Casbyness


You can also get gender-flipped versions of every hero.

The beard on the images of the default wizard are almost meme-worthy


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:14:23


Post by: Pacific


Some quite cool looking sculpts.

Why do they do these painful intros though.. Gabe Newell running onto a stage punching the air has got a lot to answer for!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:15:39


Post by: JonathanPeace


Really poor that they don't ship outside US.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:16:50


Post by: SamusDrake


Major disappointment with the Crowd funding and only in the States and Canada.

Seriously, that is even more of a slap in the face than a mobile game.

Beyond crushed.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:17:15


Post by: Dropbear Victim


US/CAD only, tiered versions and exclusives....


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:18:15


Post by: frankelee


"What do you want the orcs to look like?"

"I dunno, kids like that Worlds of Warcraft, go look at that."


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:18:44


Post by: Esper


Damn it being USA/Canada only... I would back the Mythic tier without a second thought.

(And yes, I am yet another one scammed by the Gamezone's fiasco)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:18:57


Post by: Monkeysloth


I think it looks pretty good.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:19:09


Post by: Casbyness


For a second I thought the rats were absent, but nope they're included


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:19:14


Post by: Pacific


I know, eventually, I'll be able to get my hands on a copy by hook or by crook.

But it's pretty frustrating not being able to part of the initial crowd funder, and I had to check my calendar to check it's 2020 for a moment there regarding this not being an international release.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:24:44


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Can’t the Loot Group help you all get copies?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:26:58


Post by: Monkeysloth


$30 shipping for the $150 tier if anyone is curious. Also I had to pay $10 in tax. So $190 for the whole thing. Tax might be by state.

Also they're showing the first streach goal at 1.2 million. Looks like a anime gnome warlock. But it's very tiny and hard to tell.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:27:55


Post by: beast_gts


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can’t the Loot Group help you all get copies?

They're discussing it...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:28:27


Post by: SamusDrake


Y'know, between this and the new Oculus Quest requiring a Facebook account...and the rest of the crap thats happened this year...

...I feel like we've lost the world cup final on a penalty shoot out.

Its just a game. But not just any game.

If GW wants to do another Warhammer Quest this christmas, or Space Hulk...I'm in.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:30:22


Post by: Overread


Seems really odd that in this day and age they'd limit it to just the USA/Canada; when so many "no name" firms have managed world wide distribution on honestly far more board game content. Especially when the original game was from the UK (at least in part) and thus likely has a ripe and ample market to at least make it worth considering looking at how to put boxes on a container ship.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:30:39


Post by: Quasistellar


I'm reading the webpage and maybe I'm missing something--do they say when this will ship?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:31:17


Post by: beast_gts


SamusDrake wrote:
If GW wants to do another Warhammer Quest this christmas, or Space Hulk...I'm in.


I'm expecting something to follow up / replace Blackstone Fortress.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:32:38


Post by: The Power Cosmic


So no mention of new gameplay. Well, no mention of gameplay at all. I guess it's just the old game?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:34:08


Post by: ced1106


Replace "odd" with "SOP". I'm sure there's a Hasbro bean counter asking why they're putting out a HeroQuest game when they could just put a generic fantasy Monopoly with fewer figures.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:34:18


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


So....if anyone has already pledged, are you able to add additional copies? Or can you only pledge the one?

Only I’m trying to suss this out for the Loot Group.

I’m desperate for one, and there are many lovely US and Canadians who owe me some Loot related favours (not that I do it to collect favours).


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:34:55


Post by: Monkeysloth


 The Power Cosmic wrote:
So no mention of new gameplay. Well, no mention of gameplay at all. I guess it's just the old game?


This was in the stream. It's US rules with some stuff from the UK version added in and a few other changes.

All they've mentioned so far is a larger board (same contents, just scaled up slightly) and that the armory is now all cards. There's supposed to be another stream during pulsecon(?) that will go into more detail.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:35:13


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 The Power Cosmic wrote:
So no mention of new gameplay. Well, no mention of gameplay at all. I guess it's just the old game?


They’d be fools to alter it!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:35:21


Post by: SamusDrake


beast_gts wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
If GW wants to do another Warhammer Quest this christmas, or Space Hulk...I'm in.


I'm expecting something to follow up / replace Blackstone Fortress.


Really hope so my friend. We all need cheering up after this.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:35:24


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So....if anyone has already pledged, are you able to add additional copies? Or can you only pledge the one?

Only I’m trying to suss this out for the Loot Group.

I’m desperate for one, and there are many lovely US and Canadians who owe me some Loot related favours (not that I do it to collect favours).


The UI lets you add more. I didn't go past the cart screen though.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:36:44


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Excellent, thank you very much my dude!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:37:21


Post by: The Power Cosmic


Fools they, yes, but larger fools be we. Guess I'll hold my money until pulsecon. My success rate for crowdfunded board games is quite low.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:39:00


Post by: dazblackhawk


 Monkeysloth wrote:
$30 shipping for the $150 tier if anyone is curious. Also I had to pay $10 in tax. So $190 for the whole thing. Tax might be by state.

Also they're showing the first streach goal at 1.2 million. Looks like a anime gnome warlock. But it's very tiny and hard to tell.


Have a brother-in-law who lives in Ontario Canada. Used his address for shipping and getting charged an extra $135 for the privilege.

Does anyone know if his will get a retail release. Didnt catch all the video intro.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:40:10


Post by: masterdoobie


Has anyone outside the US/Canada tried the Paypal trick to get them to ship it to you? (like with the Barnes and Noble exclusives e.g. Blitz Bowl)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:41:12


Post by: Monkeysloth


Wow. The $30 for US is actually pretty reasonable so I was hoping Canada would be too. But $135. Ya. that pretty much means it's a US only project.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:43:33


Post by: Old-Four-Arms


Quasistellar wrote:
I'm reading the webpage and maybe I'm missing something--do they say when this will ship?


Nothing on the website, but the livestream shows "orders expected to ship fall 2021" at 5.32


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:43:55


Post by: gungo


So one of the designers in the bios mentioned a female Druid character but I don’t see that model?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:46:07


Post by: Monkeysloth


gungo wrote:
So one of the designers in the bios mentioned a female Druid character but I don’t see that model?


Those are Stretch goals. We've only seen one so far which is a female halfling warlock at 1.2 million. there is something every 200k but so far only one new mini. Others are extra dice, repeated enemies and new quest book.

For those that want it here's the timestamp of the new peak stream that briefly discusses the rules.

https://youtu.be/GF5M7tIQsfk?t=338

The non US rules are alternate rules and not part of the main ruleset. I was wrong.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:50:05


Post by: mindrobber


SamusDrake wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
If GW wants to do another Warhammer Quest this christmas, or Space Hulk...I'm in.


I'm expecting something to follow up / replace Blackstone Fortress.


Really hope so my friend. We all need cheering up after this.


This year is Blood Bowl second season (6th edition) I believe.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:52:01


Post by: ced1106



If you're international or already have a ton of generic fantasy figures, I'd look at eBay first.

I also found this...



https://ideas.lego.com/projects/d0c19cd7-ad7a-4775-b185-debbf29968d7/official_comments


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 16:52:48


Post by: Dryaktylus


The miniatures just don't do it for me. I guess I would replace them all with GW models (except the zombies of course).


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:03:26


Post by: lord_blackfang


Couldn't be more generic if they tried.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:10:31


Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


I mean I do want it but I also have an original box as well as both of those expansion packs. If its just a straight reprint unless it gets to the stretch goals for the new hero/quest book I might hold off.

Also from what I've seen shipping to canada is STUPID EXPENSIVE. I'll be watching for now...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:12:24


Post by: Undead_Love-Machine


I was going to get them to ship it to my brother in Canada, but $135 for shipping?? Then I'd have to pay to get it shipped to the UK, plus customs charges...I'd be looking at well over $200 just on shipping.

Oh well, I guess I'm glad that it doesn't look that inspiring anyway, mini's just aren't doing it for me.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:12:45


Post by: Sacredroach


Those Orcs and Goblins just scream: Yedharo / GT Studios.

And the gargoyle looks pretty good too. Very tempting...except that I already own about a dozen dungeon crawlers...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:16:29


Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


Yeah, 150 bucks (in American dollars) for the Core box and both Expansions + 135 dollar shipping to Canada (also in American) means I'd be dropping a ton of cash for something I technically already have.

Guess this whole project is US only, oh well. Maybe I'll finds bits and stuff off Ebay once its out.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:17:08


Post by: Sabotage!


Looks pretty cool if you ask me. I’m kinda of bummed the expansions contain like 1 new mini each. The stretch goals are a bit lame too. 200k for 6 more dice? That’s just greedy. At least give us alt sculpts and new characters for each of them.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:23:47


Post by: DaveC


Going to be a last minute decision on this I can use a mail forwarding service for delivery but it's a long way off 1 year for postage - the mail forwarding is with the national postal service to a physical US address so not really an issue but there's still a risk and I'd have to be prepared to write off about €170 if it all went wrong (there's still the sting of losing €110 to GZ)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:24:19


Post by: frankelee


People on my Facebook Oldhammer/Middlehammer groups suggest that they can later get to a European release as well (I guess it's something they've done before with projects, though I didn't get details). So hopefully people won't miss out.

I feel like they've got a high funding goal and pretty big stretch goal amounts considering they've cut off half the audience. I also wonder if Kickstarter doesn't have better market reach than Haslab, especially if talking about 5-10% margins. Doesn't seem like we'll be unlocking a lot of content.

And also I noticed they replaced fimir with deep ones, so that pretty definitively clarifies that changes are all about IP, and not about their unsavory backgrounds... because, you know...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:25:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It’s been less than two hours, and it’s already 20% funded.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:30:38


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Sabotage! wrote:
Looks pretty cool if you ask me. I’m kinda of bummed the expansions contain like 1 new mini each. The stretch goals are a bit lame too. 200k for 6 more dice? That’s just greedy. At least give us alt sculpts and new characters for each of them.


I mean it's hasbro with very certain expectations on profits for shareholders. I'm surprised we're even getting new characters/minis at all.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:38:19


Post by: privateer4hire


"The Heroic Tier includes...and 1 exclusive miniature only available during the HasLab campaign."

Probably reading too much into a single sentence that this will hit retail, but why say the figure is exclusive to the HasLab campaign if the entire game isn't similarly exclusive to the campaign.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:41:46


Post by: akai


It looks like some of the Games Workshop stuff have been changed - "Chaos" replaced with "Dread" and Fimirs with the Fish creatures.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:41:47


Post by: Chillreaper


Darn it...

I was really in the market for a copy of HQ with updated, 21st century bits. Then, the North America only completely wrecks that idea.

Mind you, if the shipping cost to Canada is $135, the mind boggles as to what worldwide shipping would cost!

I guess that my options are some low cunning scheme to get it out of the US, wait for eBay, wait for a possible international retail release or try to get hold of an original copy.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:44:48


Post by: Stormonu


Really like the resculpts enough that I'm in for this thing. Hope they turn out as well as the digital models.

Also, I never had the money for the expansions back in the day, so its nice to be able to get them now.

Now, off to Thingaverse to grab all the old models in case I end up needing replacements for my original game...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:44:58


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m working with a US based member of the Loot Group to see if I can use their address and phone number to place an order.

I’ll report back once I know it work tomorrow morning (payday!).


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:45:01


Post by: Monkeysloth


 privateer4hire wrote:
"The Heroic Tier includes...and 1 exclusive miniature only available during the HasLab campaign."

Probably reading too much into a single sentence that this will hit retail, but why say the figure is exclusive to the HasLab campaign if the entire game isn't similarly exclusive to the campaign.



Looking around Hasbro Pulse it looks like things funded via Haslab are available via the Pulse Website. So the 1 figure that's exclusive to the HasLab is like a KSer exclusive. The 4 gendered swapped heroes are Pulse Exclusives so only available when you but the game on Pulse. Whether or that means there will be a general retail release is anyone's guess. But it does seam like the intention is to sell it online at least.

The Heroquest panel is this weekend so I'm sure we'll hear more about this then.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:49:16


Post by: anab0lic


Meh, not impressed. If it were 5 years ago I might have been, but there's so many better options out there when it comes to games of this style nowadays.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 17:50:32


Post by: Chopxsticks


Its almost as if they launched this so poorly they are hoping it doesnt succeed and they wont have to produce it.. $400,000 over for extra dice, $600,000 over for 2 extra skeltons.. maybe its just me, but this looks like the exact opposite way a major company should run a kickstarter in 2020


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 18:01:25


Post by: Hanskrampf


Really bummed about the NA delivery only. Would have loved to get this to play with the kids.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 18:20:49


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Couldn't be more generic if they tried.


It fits the source material, so not sure what you expected.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 18:23:57


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Yeah, I like what I see but it's a bit underwhelming at the same time.

Really big stretch goal gaps for not a lot extra. No real mention of how the game has been updated. The way the text reads it sounds like there's still quite a bit hidden away, and considering how long this is going to run I may come around by the end.

Does Hasbro Pulse do add ons and stuff like Kickstarter?

As it stands I feel like I'd probably get a lot more bang for my buck with Massive Darkness 2.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 18:42:24


Post by: angryboy2k


 Chillreaper wrote:


Mind you, if the shipping cost to Canada is $135, the mind boggles as to what worldwide shipping would cost!



It's not really shipping. Hasbro isn't going to import a container of product into Canada, and what they're basically doing is handing off the shipping to a courier company. The breakdown of that $135 shipping is probably:
$ 50 (shipping and insurance)
$ 26 (13% sales tax to the Ontario on shipping and product)
$ 59 (broker fee for "clearing customs" and paying tax on your behalf- what a service)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 18:50:30


Post by: Gallahad


I've never played the original so I don't have nostalgia goggles but I've heard a lot of good things about this game, so I gave it a browse...

I have to say I'm not even mildly tempted currently. The value is very low imo unless this game is truly top tier fun.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 19:20:02


Post by: Niiai


I remember svaing up money and buying this game. It was quite good at the time. We also made a lot of our own dungeons with it.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 19:41:24


Post by: gorgon


Chopxsticks wrote:
Its almost as if they launched this so poorly they are hoping it doesnt succeed and they wont have to produce it.. $400,000 over for extra dice, $600,000 over for 2 extra skeltons.. maybe its just me, but this looks like the exact opposite way a major company should run a kickstarter in 2020


I dunno. When Frosthaven pulls in $12 mil...seems dumb to set the stretch goals too low. I get that the rewards seem underwhelming, mind you.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 19:47:08


Post by: Undead_Love-Machine


Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.

If they do a reboot of AHQ I’d move heaven and earth to get a copy!

Never got into Warhammer Quest though, didn’t like the tile art and really disliked the whole “named characters only” thing.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 19:47:35


Post by: Whittlesey40k


As a massive HeroQuest fan for most of my life (I got the game when released in the UK in 1989 and most of the expansions), I'm pretty disappointed by this.

The commercials seem rubbish - non-UK (where we know there's a huge market) and huge company using crowd-funding for a sure bet - just seems poor.

But really it's the game itself that bothers me. I was hoping for a re-make of HeroQuest. The same "DNA", but with some new fun stuff. So keep it simple (aimed at kids) with easy to learn rules, but add a little more flavour. New heroes to choose from (and actual new heroes, not just female versions of existing ones - although having a female option is probably the only great change they've made!), new weapons, new quests, maybe some skills for the heroes to learn as experience. There's so much potential. Just look at Ye Olde Inn (https://www.yeoldeinn.com/) to see what can be done with the game.

But instead of a re-make, it's just a re-print. From what I've seen it's identical to the original (US) version. Same numbers of models (i.e. exactly the same number of orcs, skeletons etc as the original), the board is the same, the cards look the same, as do the stone/trap/door tiles. It's all new artwork that looks exactly like the original artwork. It's literally just a re-print. There's been no imagination put into this at all. I mean, the box art is so similar it's unreal. The characters are the same, in the same positions, the Wizard's even wearing almost the same clothes, the magic lightning is the same - there's just nothing new here.

We don't know the 'new' rules, but from what I've seen (character boards, wording on some of the cards) there'll be nothing new or changed. Which means the clunky search mechanic will still be there, the slow pace of: enter room, stop. Search for trap, wait a turn. Search for treasure, then move again. Some of the weird rules interactions won't be fixed. And if The Castle of Mystery is in the quest book that confirms there's been no effort whatsoever put into this.

I don't see the point in buying this if you have the original (not that I can, because I'm in the UK).

I feel like I've put more effort into HeroQuest (house rules) than Hasbro have.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 19:56:12


Post by: insaniak


 Hellfury wrote:

Do you honestly think Hasbro would give any money to GW in order to license a fimir?

No. Hence my comment that it was unlikely unless the original agreement was stupid.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.

If they do a reboot of AHQ I’d move heaven and earth to get a copy!

Advanced Heroquest was a GW game, so that would be up to them.

Have to admit, the cynical part of my brain would be slightly amused if GW were to announce an Advanced Heroquest or Warhammer Quest re-release tomorrow...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can’t the Loot Group help you all get copies?

From the screengrab posted earlier, the conditions of sale specifically forbid people from buying it to ship overseas. Make of that what you will.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 20:02:20


Post by: angryboy2k


 insaniak wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Can’t the Loot Group help you all get copies?

From the screengrab posted earlier, the conditions of sale specifically forbid people from buying it to ship overseas. Make of that what you will.


That may imply that Hasbro only has North American rights to the name.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 20:03:09


Post by: insaniak


 Whittlesey40k wrote:

I don't see the point in buying this if you have the original (not that I can, because I'm in the UK)..

Replacing some worn out, 30-year-old parts would have been a bonus. New minis would have also been nice, as would access to new expansion material to flesh out the original, if such a thing happens.

The plastic furniture is also good - the original stuff was mostly a hybrid of plastic components joined to cardboard.


Even aside from the North America-only issue, though, the minis here mostly leave me cold. I expected them to be different to the Citadel originals, but while I like the player characters, the aesthetic that they've gone with for the evil models does nothing for me, and the goblins look like there's from a completely different game (although are, funnily enough, my favourite sculpts from amongst the monsters).

The female elf and orcs are nice touches though.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 20:10:38


Post by: privateer4hire


Dicebreaker (dunno their reputation as a board game reporter site) says the game is slated for retailers in late 2021. That assumes the crowdfunding version makes its target.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 20:13:57


Post by: Monkeysloth


 Whittlesey40k wrote:
As a massive HeroQuest fan for most of my life (I got the game when released in the UK in 1989 and most of the expansions), I'm pretty disappointed by this.

The commercials seem rubbish - non-UK (where we know there's a huge market) and huge company using crowd-funding for a sure bet - just seems poor.

But really it's the game itself that bothers me. I was hoping for a re-make of HeroQuest. The same "DNA", but with some new fun stuff. So keep it simple (aimed at kids) with easy to learn rules, but add a little more flavour. New heroes to choose from (and actual new heroes, not just female versions of existing ones - although having a female option is probably the only great change they've made!), new weapons, new quests, maybe some skills for the heroes to learn as experience. There's so much potential. Just look at Ye Olde Inn (https://www.yeoldeinn.com/) to see what can be done with the game.

But instead of a re-make, it's just a re-print. From what I've seen it's identical to the original (US) version. Same numbers of models (i.e. exactly the same number of orcs, skeletons etc as the original), the board is the same, the cards look the same, as do the stone/trap/door tiles. It's all new artwork that looks exactly like the original artwork. It's literally just a re-print. There's been no imagination put into this at all. I mean, the box art is so similar it's unreal. The characters are the same, in the same positions, the Wizard's even wearing almost the same clothes, the magic lightning is the same - there's just nothing new here.

We don't know the 'new' rules, but from what I've seen (character boards, wording on some of the cards) there'll be nothing new or changed. Which means the clunky search mechanic will still be there, the slow pace of: enter room, stop. Search for trap, wait a turn. Search for treasure, then move again. Some of the weird rules interactions won't be fixed. And if The Castle of Mystery is in the quest book that confirms there's been no effort whatsoever put into this.

I don't see the point in buying this if you have the original (not that I can, because I'm in the UK).

I feel like I've put more effort into HeroQuest (house rules) than Hasbro have.


Hasbro is in an odd spot as there's a large group of people that don't want the rules changed but there's a large group of people that want it updated. Probably pretty close to 50%-50% just here on Dakka.

I wouldn't be surprised, if this does really well, to see their own version of Advanced HQ (called something else since GW owns that) or Heroquest 2 come out that's exactly what you want. It would be good business plan I think as there's more people that down own the OG one then do but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug) then once that's taken care of and the OG fans that demand it reprinted with little to no changes are happy (as they're most likely to be the ones the most vocal about it being updated causing negative press) do an updated/modern version that I'm sure all the game designers working on this want to do.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/22 20:19:22


Post by: zend


If it is in fact a 1:1 reprint sans GW stuff, I might just spend the extra cash and pick up the original versions. Or maybe get the mythic version and replace the minis with sculpts I actually like.

The furniture being actual models is pretty nice, I will say that.


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Post by: Bossk_Hogg


Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.


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Post by: insaniak


 Monkeysloth wrote:
... but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug)

It's not just nostalgia. My wife has zero interest in miniatures games in general, because for the most part she finds them too complicated. She would much rather play games were she can just play the game without having to think about rules, and Heroquest is simple enough to fit that requirement, while still offering enough room for fun things to happen.

We made some very slight changes to the rules when we played through it with her younger brothers - like giving players two 'actions' rather than the fixed 'move then attack or search' turn, and adding a 'ressurection scroll' that can be bought to protect the party from unforeseen, villain-related incidents - but for the most part, the game does exactly what we want it to do.

Being old doesn't automatically mean that something actually needs updating.


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Post by: Monkeysloth


 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.


The designs are very D&D friendly and the SG figures look to be even more so. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some push at some point to do that but I also know from people that have worked at WoTC that they're very careful not to over saturate D&D into other properties -- especially ones that already have large fanbases that might react the wrong way. Look how long it took them to release D&D setting books for Magic. The whole reason for them not doing it for years was worry about how Magic fans would react and they were very careful about the approach as they didn't want people to think that Magic was getting D&D branded in any way.


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 insaniak wrote:


Being old doesn't automatically mean that something actually needs updating.


Didn't mean to imply that it does. Just that Something that's out of print and people have fond memories of tends to drive interest in this day and age and Heroquest as long been the golden goose of this talk for many boardgamers, tabeltop gamers and RPG players.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I was going to get them to ship it to my brother in Canada, but $135 for shipping?? Then I'd have to pay to get it shipped to the UK, plus customs charges...I'd be looking at well over $200 just on shipping.

Oh well, I guess I'm glad that it doesn't look that inspiring anyway, mini's just aren't doing it for me.


Does your brother live near the border? Perhaps the loot group can find a nearby US address to ship to, then all the local Canadian members can pick up the packages from there?


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Post by: Stormonu


There's already a D&D board game line - the latest was, I think, Tomb of Annihilation. The others in the line were Castle Ravenloft, Wrath of Arshadalon, Legend of Drizzt and Temple of Elemental Evil. They use modified 4E rules. There's older ones two - anyone remember Dragonstrike?

There's lots of others out there nowadays - Descent, Gloomhaven, Super Dungeon Explore, Arcadia Quest, Massive Darkness, etc.

GW has the Warhammer Quest line, though their recent attempts have been nothing like the Advanced Heroquest/Warhammer Quest of old (and I kind of wish they'd do one in that spirit). They did Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal under the new design (have the former, but not the latter).

This is a throwback to what I think was one of the first attempts back in the '80s. I'd be extremely surprised if it led to an Advanced version, but if it makes enough we might see more expansions - I think there's still three they didn't include in this one.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Gallahad wrote:
I've never played the original so I don't have nostalgia goggles but I've heard a lot of good things about this game, so I gave it a browse...

I have to say I'm not even mildly tempted currently. The value is very low imo unless this game is truly top tier fun.


Shadows of Brimstone just released some updated core sets for about the same price each, and that is a fun game that is still supported. CMON and FFG also seem to have modern games with a lot more content than is on offer here.


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Post by: Kalamadea


Lots of good dungeoncrawlers out there, in addition to all those games I also have a massive amount of Dungeon Saga too, which is very much in theme with Heroquest. Enough that I've always wanted to make a custom Heroquest set of it, but to get the few pieces I don't have, plus print the books and cards, plus get the custom dice off an Etsy maker, and I was always looking at close to the cost of just getting an old set off of ebay :(

I'm looking at grabbing a Mythic tier, love love LOVE the new art and ESPECIALLY love the new heroes. That Barbarian sculpt is the best one I've ever seen, probably my favorite long-haired buff dude mini since the original Valten.

And I REALLY love that you get male and female versions of each hero, I was initially really disappointed that they made the Elf a female until I saw that. More dungeoncrawlers should do this, I want to make a hero and play an RPG-lite, I don't want to play some named character with a prebuilt backstory. The D&D Ravenloft boardgames are the biggest offenders here, all the player characters are set name, set class, set race. You'd think a D&D boardgame of all games would have some sort of custom character creation


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Post by: ced1106


 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.


I recommend you look at the fan-made AHQ books. Material's better, and you probably already have the miniatures, and can make your own tiles, if you don't already have, say, 3D game tiles. AHQ doesn't really need any components other than the rulebook (ie. no cards or character thingies).

https://ahqreforged.blogspot.com/p/links.html
https://enhancedadvancedheroquest.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html


Unfortunately, it looks like the eBay prices for HQ shot up to $100+. You *can* make your own copy, although, obviously, you're looking at DIY quality.

Searched for "dungeoncrawler for kids" and found Quest Kids. Rules are online. : https://www.treasurefallsgames.com/game


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 Monkeysloth wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised, if this does really well, to see their own version of Advanced HQ (called something else since GW owns that) or Heroquest 2 come out that's exactly what you want. It would be good business plan I think as there's more people that down own the OG one then do but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug) then once that's taken care of and the OG fans that demand it reprinted with little to no changes are happy (as they're most likely to be the ones the most vocal about it being updated causing negative press) do an updated/modern version that I'm sure all the game designers working on this want to do.


I think Omega (?) on the BGG forums mentioned two other dungeoncrawlers Hasbro released after HQ, including Dragon Saga (???)

IIRC, Battle Masters and HeroScape used the same dice as HQ, so, who knows, Hasbro may look at the Haslab numbers and decide to put out another dungeoncrawler, based on HQ.


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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine


 insaniak wrote:


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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.

If they do a reboot of AHQ I’d move heaven and earth to get a copy!

Advanced Heroquest was a GW game, so that would be up to them.

Have to admit, the cynical part of my brain would be slightly amused if GW were to announce an Advanced Heroquest or Warhammer Quest re-release tomorrow...



I doubt that GW would release anything that included the name Heroquest these days, but I could see them bringing out an advanced version of Warhammer Quest. The rules wouldn't allow you to make your own characters of course, you'd have to buy £50 expansion packs containing one character model and a few cards each.


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 ced1106 wrote:
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.


I recommend you look at the fan-made AHQ books. Material's better, and you probably already have the miniatures, and can make your own tiles, if you don't already have, say, 3D game tiles. AHQ doesn't really need any components other than the rulebook (ie. no cards or character thingies).

https://ahqreforged.blogspot.com/p/links.html
https://enhancedadvancedheroquest.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html


Thanks Ced, I'm aware of the first link, but haven't seen the second one before


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I was going to get them to ship it to my brother in Canada, but $135 for shipping?? Then I'd have to pay to get it shipped to the UK, plus customs charges...I'd be looking at well over $200 just on shipping.

Oh well, I guess I'm glad that it doesn't look that inspiring anyway, mini's just aren't doing it for me.


Does your brother live near the border? Perhaps the loot group can find a nearby US address to ship to, then all the local Canadian members can pick up the packages from there?


He lives in Toronto. He'd be happy to ship something to me, but a drive across the border to pick up a board game is probably a different matter


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Post by: lord_blackfang


 Monkeysloth wrote:
Hasbro is in an odd spot as there's a large group of people that don't want the rules changed but there's a large group of people that want it updated. Probably pretty close to 50%-50% just here on Dakka.


A rewrite would actually have to be good enough to compete on the market. A reprint only appeals to grognards, but is a sure sale for them. A modest crowdfunder is a pretty appropriate venture for this.


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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


While the modern dungeon crawlers are generally going to be more fun for adults, for the (original) target audience of Heroquest, kids I suspect even today it would hold up well,

Descent, Hellboy, Shadows of Brimstone etc are all good fun but they have rules that take a bit of thinking about (and if you look at BGG lots of arguing and questions from rafts of folk who seem disinclines to just make an educated guess and stick to to)

Heroquest is simple, a few 10 year olds can easily have a lot of fun with it, and if the enjoy the whole 'almost roleplaying' thing they'll be inventing their own varients by they time they've played for a couple of years

More modern complicated games are far more likely to be abandoned as the one owns the game just hasn't got a decent enough grip on the rules to make the first few tries fun


I actually wonder if the plasic (?) furniture of this will work as well as the old card/plastic hybrids (for kids) since they're not going to be in colour. Yes the can be painted and will then look loads better, but to start with they'll be less impressive


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Post by: Hellfury


 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.


This is the first wishlisting i have seen on many sites that could be an actual reality and makes logistical and financial sense.

I hope you're right, as heroquest was always the generic standin for D&D to avoid copyright issues.

But really, i just want the D&D fantasy adventure boardgame to come back. It was heroquest, but updated and had very few drawbacks compared to heroquest. The minis provided, however, were naff.


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Post by: Sabotage!



Bossk_Hogg wrote:Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.


One thing that is kind of nice about having this brand under the Hasbro brand (and thus in the same company that owns D&D), is that when this hits retail and if it does well enough, they can do further expansions utilizing some of the proprietary monsters from D&D as villains. It would be cool to have an expansion where the boss was Mind Flayer or Beholder or something.

insaniak wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
... but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug)

It's not just nostalgia. My wife has zero interest in miniatures games in general, because for the most part she finds them too complicated. She would much rather play games were she can just play the game without having to think about rules, and Heroquest is simple enough to fit that requirement, while still offering enough room for fun things to happen.

We made some very slight changes to the rules when we played through it with her younger brothers - like giving players two 'actions' rather than the fixed 'move then attack or search' turn, and adding a 'ressurection scroll' that can be bought to protect the party from unforeseen, villain-related incidents - but for the most part, the game does exactly what we want it to do.

Being old doesn't automatically mean that something actually needs updating.


This is such a big deal for me. I love playing board games, and I play them with a wide variety of people. We also plays lots of different ones and often times with several weeks (or in the case of Covid months) between sessions. Having relatively simple rules for a game means that nearly anyone can sit down and pick the game up relatively quickly and get playing, even if they haven't read the rulebook as long as someone has read it. It also means that you can get invested with the game more quickly as you don't have to constantly break immersion by looking up rules every few minutes during the first couple times you play a game. I also try to steer away from games that take 3+ hours to play, because most of the people I play with (myself included) would rather play several rounds of the same game or a couple different games in an evening rather than have a single marathon session.

Because of this Heroquest is a really solid for people like me, and this is from someone who never officially played it by the rules (a friend had it, but we were like 8 and just made up our own game with sweet minis). I have seen several games played though, and it looks to tick a lot of the boxes of what I look for in a dungeon crawler.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s been less than two hours, and it’s already 20% funded.
Imagine what it'd be up to if they'd opened it up to the whole world and not charged Canadians $135 in shipping.


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Post by: Sabotage!


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s been less than two hours, and it’s already 20% funded.
Imagine what it'd be up to if they'd opened it up to the whole world and not charged Canadians $135 in shipping.


Yeah, this is 100% the truth. Game would probably be at 1.5 million at this point. I get not being able to ship to countries where there are legal disputes about the rights, but why not everywhere else?

Also, with Hasbro having distribution in Canada, you think it would have been easier for them to find a cheaper shipping method.


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Post by: ced1106


 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.


Well, Hasbro / WotC / WizKids / Whoever does have the D&D Adventure System games, and they're up to their sixth set or something. While it's not HQ (it's certainly more complicated), profits must be good enough that they're interested in continuing the series. HQ, though, isn't D&D in that the spells are elemental, and not D&D spells. Some on BGG guessed that the D&D adventure system was Hasbro's dungeoncrawler, contributing to their non-release of HQ.

Not that I wouldn't pick up a standalone HQ expansion every few years...


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Post by: porkuslime


:Looking at the HasbroPulse site, it looks like the Heroic tier has the base game only.. no stretches

I am not totally thrilled by the 2 expansions in the Mythic tier, and was planning just on getting Heroic, but the extra heroes are very tempting, female halfling warlock please..


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 00:13:28


Post by: kestral


My wife got me that Wrath of Ashardalon game. Some useful figures, but I hated it. Not even close to Heroquest! Let's hear it for "if its not broke, don't fix it!"


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Post by: Just Tony


So it looks like molded into rounds. That's too bad as I was only interested in this for some flavorful minis to use in 6th ed. WFB. If it turns out they tab or post in, I'll buy this thing like it's my job. Well, price depending. If this is an available at Walmart game I can't imagine it'll have the... boutique pricing.


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Post by: insaniak


Fairly sure they've only shown renders of the models so far, so it's possible they'll be separate... but I would expect that they'll be single-piece models, moulded onto the bases.


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Post by: decker_cky


 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:


He lives in Toronto. He'd be happy to ship something to me, but a drive across the border to pick up a board game is probably a different matter


I for one am shocked that your brother is not willing to spend a day driving, followed by 14 days in quarantine, to pick up a board game.


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Post by: Wasteland


decker_cky wrote:

I for one am shocked that your brother is not willing to spend a day driving, followed by 14 days in quarantine, to pick up a board game.


Probably couldn't even get that far - border's closed, isn't it?

If I'm reading their page correctly, it looks like the different-gender figures are exclusive to this crowdfunding thing? Disappointing. If they're leaving them out of a retail release, I wish they would have made the split between the included characters 50/50 rather than just having one "The Girl" character. Certainly still an improvement on the original, but c'mon, it's 2020.

 Just Tony wrote:
So it looks like molded into rounds. That's too bad as I was only interested in this for some flavorful minis to use in 6th ed. WFB. If it turns out they tab or post in, I'll buy this thing like it's my job.


I wouldn't worry, trimming single-part plastic minis like these off their bases is actually super easy. Just make sure you don't hold the knife the stupid way round and slice your thumb open. Ask me how I know.


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Post by: Pacific


The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.


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Post by: Sarouan


I don't know this crowdfunding site, but here it really seems like a big pre-order for US market only.

So it's just the original Heroquest, but with new miniatures and art basically. I dig them, including the exclusive - limited ones. It's just sad I won't be able to have them. The whole thing is another gift to Ebay sellers who will put outrageous prices for the limited miniatures.

Yeah, it sucks for us europeans, but well...


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m in. Mythic tier. Thanks to a lovely member of the Loot Group agreeing to be an address patsy.

Not predicting any issues, as Hasbro don’t say ‘no international orders’, just ‘we only ship to USA and Canada’, and those are of course two separate things!

Ooooh, I’m all excited now!


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Post by: porkuslime


Silly question..

Do they charge your card immediately or only at the end of the funding period (Nov, I think)..

AND.. anyone tried to change a pledge from Heroic to Mythic or other way?

I have experience with Kickstarter, and am not sure how much maps to this new (to me) Hasbro site


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 14:30:49


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


No money is taken until it’s funded. But the wording was, to me at least, ambiguous as to whether that means initial funding hit, or end of the project?

Either way, my card has been pre-authorised, but nothing has been taken as yet.


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Post by: Ghool


The shipping being almost as much as the Mythic pledge itself is pretty nuts.
So if I want this it’s costing me almost $400CAD for the base game and expansions. Ouch.
I might just stick with MD2 and throw some more cash CMONs way instead.


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Post by: The Phazer


 Pacific wrote:
The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.


That happens with everything Haslab and Hasbro Pulse does, and they never address it.

It's not unique to HeroQuest tbh.


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Post by: Pacific


 The Phazer wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.


That happens with everything Haslab and Hasbro Pulse does, and they never address it.

It's not unique to HeroQuest tbh.


I wonder what Hasbro's 'game plan' is? I've backed probably well over a dozen crowd-funded efforts (mostly KS but also Indiegogo). I've not once had one that's been restricted in this way, and some of those are super small efforts that are literally some guy casting a few items in his garage, working in his spare time.

Although looking at the P&P charge for Canada I'm guessing I would have to re-mortgage the house to pay for it anyway!

An amusing part of this is that so much of the social media response is "WTAF why no EU?!?!?!?" written 200 times, and there is absolutely no acknowledgement from the company about it at all.
Some quite funny memes doing the rounds



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Post by: akai


Besides being an updated version of the original HeroQuest, they already have plans for two new adventure books/quests: "Prophecy of Telor" and "Spirit Queen's Torment" - orcs as allies/heroes apparently. Two new heroes: Warlock and Druid. Info posted in the Guest Designers section.


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Post by: Ahtman


I wish it told us more about the people it names instead of acting like we know them. Not everyone knows who every person is so it might have been nice to give a bit more than "Guest Designer". What have they done before that makes their name drop worthwhile?

A: Tadpole designed by Bob Loblaw!

B: Who is Bob Loblaw?

A: BOB LOBLAW! He picked a tadpole because he likes swimming!


I know you can Google them but if you are going to use them in a sales pitch I feel like I shouldn't have to. May just be me. Not a deal breaker mind you I'm still backing it, just a bit of a pet peeve I suppose.


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Post by: Kalamadea


It's very clearly a licensing thing, maybe they can't say anything because of some corporate lawyery bullcrap, but if they could make it worldwide then they certainly would since it's just money left lying on the floor otherwise.

Remember the Gamezone Heroquest crowdfund kerfluffle of 2014? They had the rights to release in Spain, and ONLY in Spain, so it got sent to Cease-&-Desist hell for copyright infringement, bounced around multiple crowdfund sites, and finally funded on some small unknown platform and nothing ever got released because every single owner of the copyright in every other country sued or threatened to sue.

Should be pretty obvious after that why this time it's limited to NA only. Heck, wouldn't surprise me if Gamezone still had the rights to HQ in Spain and was keeping it from Hasbro out of spite


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Post by: Chopxsticks


As an alternative has anyone mentioned Bardsung in this thread? its coming to KS here shortly, maybe with in this 45 day window to review both?


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Post by: Commodus Leitdorf


Gah its so frustrating! I really do want it but I can't justify the ridiculous shipping. Its just straight cheaper for me to build my own board using Dwarven Forge tiles, and those aren't really cheap either.


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Post by: Mariongodspeed


Nostalgia just cost me $191.24 after shipping and tax and I am thrilled. HeroQuest was my first intro to dungeon delving and 30 years later I’m looking forward to trying it with my kids.

Now I just have to hope enough other people are willing to back this!


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Mariongodspeed wrote:
Nostalgia just cost me $191.24 after shipping and tax and I am thrilled. HeroQuest was my first intro to dungeon delving and 30 years later I’m looking forward to trying it with my kids.

Now I just have to hope enough other people are willing to back this!




NOSTALGIA FOR ALL ME TEEF!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 17:52:13


Post by: SKR.HH


Don't know whether this has been posted Here already but German News Site Brückenkopf-Online contacted Hasbro and received information that HeroQuest should be available in Europe propably in 2022...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 18:42:15


Post by: DaveC


SKR.HH wrote:
Don't know whether this has been posted Here already but German News Site Brückenkopf-Online contacted Hasbro and received information that HeroQuest should be available in Europe propably in 2022...


https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2020/hero-quest-relaunch-nur-in-nordamerika/

Will that's good news I've waited this long what's 2 more years


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 19:40:00


Post by: NH Gunsmith


Huh. Wonder if that means Hasbro has bought the licenses for HeroQuest in Europe, but doesn't take effect until 2022 or something silly like that.

Honestly had no idea how much it seems the HQ license is fractured between the previously failed crowdfunding projects since I really hadn't followed them.

Will keep an eye on this for sure, since I only ever got to play HQ a few times when I was very young, and am excited to see that this game is really just a refresher of it.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 19:53:46


Post by: Overread


Considering that it sounds like its normal for that platform to ignore the European market it might just be that its a company/wing of the company that just hasn't got the internal organisation to ship out of the USA; and makes healthy enough profits that they don't want to learn/invest into it.

Which would also explain the insanely high Canadian postage costs.


It's surprising considering how many smaller firms - as noted earlier - can achieve international postage of a product often with far far far less of a powerful name behind them; on the product and less money in the funding.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 19:56:37


Post by: Hanskrampf


Chopxsticks wrote:As an alternative has anyone mentioned Bardsung in this thread? its coming to KS here shortly, maybe with in this 45 day window to review both?

Hard pass for anything from SFG after Dark Souls.

NH Gunsmith wrote:Huh. Wonder if that means Hasbro has bought the licenses for HeroQuest in Europe, but doesn't take effect until 2022 or something silly like that.

Honestly had no idea how much it seems the HQ license is fractured between the previously failed crowdfunding projects since I really hadn't followed them.

Will keep an eye on this for sure, since I only ever got to play HQ a few times when I was very young, and am excited to see that this game is really just a refresher of it.


Sounds more like a direct to retail release and just takes time until then to produce.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 20:01:27


Post by: Bossk_Hogg


 The Phazer wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.


That happens with everything Haslab and Hasbro Pulse does, and they never address it.

It's not unique to HeroQuest tbh.


They dont want to dick around with distribution hubs, licensing, etc. I don't blame them. Haslab products arent there to make the big bucks. They're more for projects that arent deemed commercially viable at retail, but someone there has a passion for, or to throw the high end collectors a bone.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 20:26:06


Post by: Chopxsticks


 Hanskrampf wrote:
Chopxsticks wrote:As an alternative has anyone mentioned Bardsung in this thread? its coming to KS here shortly, maybe with in this 45 day window to review both?

Hard pass for anything from SFG after Dark Souls.

NH Gunsmith wrote:Huh. Wonder if that means Hasbro has bought the licenses for HeroQuest in Europe, but doesn't take effect until 2022 or something silly like that.

Honestly had no idea how much it seems the HQ license is fractured between the previously failed crowdfunding projects since I really hadn't followed them.

Will keep an eye on this for sure, since I only ever got to play HQ a few times when I was very young, and am excited to see that this game is really just a refresher of it.


Sounds more like a direct to retail release and just takes time until then to produce.


What went wrong with Dark Souls?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 20:29:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


It was very (main game), very slow (expansions) to fulfil with poor coms

(and many didn't like the gameplay which was very grindy and repetitive, but for me reproduced the video game feel pretty well)


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It was very (main game), very slow (expansions) to fulfil with poor coms

(and many didn't like the gameplay which was very grindy and repetitive, but for me reproduced the video game feel pretty well)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 20:35:35


Post by: Chopxsticks


Fair enough. I played Kingdom Death Monster so wasnt terribly interested in Dark Souls and never liked the video game. Slow to fullfill is concerning, I thought they had their stuff together with guildball and all.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 21:33:57


Post by: grrrfranky


Chopxsticks wrote:
Fair enough. I played Kingdom Death Monster so wasnt terribly interested in Dark Souls and never liked the video game. Slow to fullfill is concerning, I thought they had their stuff together with guildball and all.


Guild ball? You mean the game they just canned and blamed the players for playing their "perfect game" wrong? There's still people who haven't got all their dark souls stuff, and SFG's communications are awful.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 22:13:37


Post by: Esper


 DaveC wrote:
SKR.HH wrote:
Don't know whether this has been posted Here already but German News Site Brückenkopf-Online contacted Hasbro and received information that HeroQuest should be available in Europe propably in 2022...


https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2020/hero-quest-relaunch-nur-in-nordamerika/

Will that's good news I've waited this long what's 2 more years


Good news if true, in that case I would really love that we could also get somehow the alternative heroes, Mentor, Sir Ragnar, The Witch Lord ..


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/23 23:17:07


Post by: Monkeysloth


Esper wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
SKR.HH wrote:
Don't know whether this has been posted Here already but German News Site Brückenkopf-Online contacted Hasbro and received information that HeroQuest should be available in Europe propably in 2022...


https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2020/hero-quest-relaunch-nur-in-nordamerika/

Will that's good news I've waited this long what's 2 more years


Good news if true, in that case I would really love that we could also get somehow the alternative heroes, Mentor, Sir Ragnar, The Witch Lord ..


Those are exclusive to the crowd funding campaign.

And so far the alternate sculpts/genders are exclusive to hasbro pulse (so probably available when you buy via the website post release).


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 02:01:53


Post by: decker_cky


 Pacific wrote:
Some quite funny memes doing the rounds



Amusingly, several expansions for original heroquest were region locked and never crossed the Atlantic.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 11:13:46


Post by: Pacific


Hah! Do you think it's just the Americans getting their own back on the Brits then? (with other RoW locations unfortunately as collateral damage..)

It's the complete lack of explanation (attempt to explain) or acknowledgement to the huge morass of complaining people that I don't acceptable, and I think probably annoys me more... . At least say why you aren't doing something or give some kind of inkling of what might happen in the future. It's reminiscent of GW's 'summer of terror' in the early 2010's when they seemed intent on being as disregarding and dismissive of the fans as possible.

In the meantime I see the Dungeon Universalis KS (for a game reprint) is due to be starting later on today. Know it's completely the opposite of Heroquest in terms of aspect but it might be an alternative (and one that's available).



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 13:09:22


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Not much use acknowledging the complaints if all you can say is

sorry but we don't want the extra hassle of 'selling' world wide

it's just going to annoy people who can't get it more

now whether there is a another reason why Hasbro Pulse is USA only (well and very reluctantly Canada) I'm not sure,

I could see there being issues with existing distribution deals elsewhere in the world such that they wouldn't be able to make their desired margin and that might be information they didn't want to, or couldn't contractually reveal

but really might be just that they don't want the hassle


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 13:18:56


Post by: Pacific


I can't see that posting abroad/internationally could be the issue. I've worked in places (and this is going back twenty years) where it was really, really straightforward to a) essentially put something in a box b) organise a shipping manifest for wherever it needs to go.
These days it's ridiculously easy, not only because of trade agreements that have made such things more straightforward, but you have companies that handle all that stuff for you as part of their standard processes. There are literally dozens of companies, which we will be familiar with globally, that do this.

The only time I know of any difficulty was in trying to send items to Iran, which I believe had some kind of embargo at the time (and you had to prove that the mechanical components you were sending were just for tractors and couldn't be used to make a bomb).

I think it's more likely that it's some kind of license/legal implication (perhaps based on something to do with that abortive Gamezone effort, who knows) or they don't want to have to translate into different languages. That was apparently the reason a lot of text-heavy video games didn't used to get released outside Japan, because a translation into English meant French, Spanish, Italian, German as a minimum and all of that costs money.

But anyway it is all conjecture and honestly ultimately it's a boardgame, who cares, they can go feth themselves over the angst they have caused thousands of international customers who had the audacity to want to try and buy their product, and are now getting frustrated that it's not possible and not being told why


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 15:16:44


Post by: Voss


 Pacific wrote:
Hah! Do you think it's just the Americans getting their own back on the Brits then? (with other RoW locations unfortunately as collateral damage..)


That would require most Americans remembering we were ever at odds. Britain is just that place we keep our airbases, the one with the bad food


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 15:29:07


Post by: lare2


I'm sorry but you haven't lived until you've had a curry battered bun.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 19:40:33


Post by: SamusDrake


Having calmed down over the last few days...

I suppose given the current crisis, it makes sense to keep it to the States and Canada. There is the possibility that when it comes time to ship that the covid situation may halt shipping to other countries.

Even still, I've not been this disappointed since Billie failed to make the top 20...




HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 22:11:07


Post by: Platuan4th


SamusDrake wrote:
H

I suppose given the current crisis, it makes sense to keep it to the States and Canada. There is the possibility that when it comes time to ship that the covid situation may halt shipping to other countries.


It has nothing to do with Covid, Jabba's Sail Barge(their first HasLab project years ago) and Unicron(Last Year's project) were NA only as well. Thus just how HasLab is. IIRC, it has something to do with how their international subsidiary companies work, but they've never actually explained how or why.

Also, if shipping between countries is stopped, they won't be able to deliver at all since their factories are in Vietnam and China.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 23:20:35


Post by: pancakeonions


But... Hasbro has said they will ship beyond US/Canada... From just a few posts above: https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2020/hero-quest-relaunch-nur-in-nordamerika/ (translation: bully for you if you don't live in NA)

Just after the initial North American shipments go out.

I don't pretend to understand why they're doing it this way, but it sounds like it will eventually make its way 'round the world.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/24 23:30:53


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Is there a brief history of why international HeroQuest rights are so messed up?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 00:11:40


Post by: Krinsath


My limited understanding is that HeroQuest was first an idea to be part of RuneQuest back in the day (70s and 80s), but the guys behind never actually got around to publishing it despite talking it up in a few publications at the time. Hasbro/GW published HeroQuest in '89 and got the trademark, which scuppered the plans for the RuneQuest bit.

However, when they stopped printing HeroQuest, neither company apparently kept up the trademark and the "original" idea holder applied for and was granted the trademark in the early 2000s. However, that doesn't invalidate Hasbro's copyright on the actually-published game and then how those two interact is undoubtedly a muddled space I wouldn't want to wander into without at least few dedicated semesters of law. That trademark currently belongs with Chaosium if I understand things correctly.

I imagine that Hasbro kept up some of the IP matters, but perhaps not in all jurisdictions. This could be what allowed GameZone the veneer of legality because they may have been able to get the copyright/trademark in Spain, but then would have been barred from distributing most anywhere else (Macross fans in the US can likely empathize with how this scenario plays out).

There seems to be a decent write-up at: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/9337-heroquest-ip-history/


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 01:09:17


Post by: Hellebore


Chaosium has sold the trademark to Hasbro and all Heroquest branded RPG material will be rebranded.

https://www.chaosium.com/blogmoon-design-publications-transfers-ownership-of-the-heroquest-trademark-to-hasbro/



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 01:42:13


Post by: pancakeonions


I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for the Chaosium - Hasbro discussions.

Well, not really.

But I'm curious to know how much Hasbro paid to get the trademark back.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 01:49:58


Post by: privateer4hire


Bucket of cash or you guys could just sue us, I suppose..


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 05:33:04


Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


 pancakeonions wrote:
But... Hasbro has said they will ship beyond US/Canada... From just a few posts above: https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2020/hero-quest-relaunch-nur-in-nordamerika/ (translation: bully for you if you don't live in NA)

Just after the initial North American shipments go out.

I don't pretend to understand why they're doing it this way, but it sounds like it will eventually make its way 'round the world.
Albeit without access to the bonus miniatures and unlocks, which are exclusive to Hasbropulse. Admittedly, not all of those are that interesting, but some variant sculpts are still a nice inclusion.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 11:08:27


Post by: The Phazer


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is there a brief history of why international HeroQuest rights are so messed up?


They're sort of not really. But the thing is that trademarks do lapse if you don't keep using them, and then other people register them in some territories and not others, then things get fragmented.

Hasbro have lost the trademarks to a lot of names of popular Transformers over the years because they spent several years not caring about the original cast very much and other people jumped on them.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 13:36:43


Post by: Pacific


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is there a brief history of why international HeroQuest rights are so messed up?


There is probably something in the 40 page thread of doom & despair down in the boardgames forum!

I can't bring myself to go and have a read though I'm afraid, feel like I am grave-robbing


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 15:16:57


Post by: Ghool


 Pacific wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is there a brief history of why international HeroQuest rights are so messed up?


There is probably something in the 40 page thread of doom & despair down in the boardgames forum!

I can't bring myself to go and have a read though I'm afraid, feel like I am grave-robbing


The current trademark rights are all in the hands of Hasbro.
The rights are not all messed up at all, as it seems that Hasbro owns the trademark practically everywhere until 2025.
The only thing messed up is that Hasbro doesn’t seem interested in producing localized copies yet.
That’s likely the main issue with an EU release and not trademark rights. Like in Quebec (and why it’s not being sold there either), a large corporation like Hasbro is more inclined to not push any regional packaging laws.
That’s my assumption based on all I’ve read so far.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 19:04:28


Post by: DaveC


The Pulsecon panel didn’t reveal much but they have a lot more stretch goals planned after $2 million with new minis and alternate sculpts. Joe Manganiello hosted and revealed he designed some scenarios which include a new boss mini - it’s the $4 million goal - it didn’t come across like a joke but who knows? No mention about international orders and they never mentioned GW despite going into the design of the original game. They also mentioned that whilst the rules are the same as the original some of the stretch goals will have new rules.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 19:19:48


Post by: Overread


That's going to be hard to make it to $4million considering they've locked out the International and likely most of the Canadian markets. Plus its not like a wargame or some of the larger boardgames where there are a lot of models/addons which adds up to a lot per customer.



HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 19:23:23


Post by: pancakeonions


Every third or fourth post to the live chat was

INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING

Jeez. you'd think they'd get a clue...


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 20:48:24


Post by: Monkeysloth


It really seams like they looks at a lot of these KSers that pull in money like that and think it's something they can easily do but not realize how SGs, addons and yes international sales lead to that.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/25 20:59:25


Post by: ced1106


Trademarks don't work the same way in the USA vs. internationally. In the USA, it's "use it or lose it" while, internationally, someone can practice "trademark squatting" where they trademark a name and wait for someone to buy it off of them. I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm pretty much with Krinsath, in that we'd need some real understanding about international law -- not that IP laws have ever been definitive -- instead of the usual internet armchair quarterbacking that IP discussions usually devolve to (how many pages were those Hex vs. WotC discussions again???).

It's risk / reward. Hasbro is located in the USA and knows that Heroquest is more popular there, so that's where they're focusing first. They may make less *revenue* in the HQ crowdfunder, but revenue isn't profits. I doubt there's a suit at Hasbro willing to have a private talk with his boss if the project has an international IP problem.

EDIT: Not simple like HQ, but Dungeon Universalis looks like a good hobby-level dungeoncrawler for campaign gaming, though you'd have to proxy the miniatures.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2461512/dungeon-universalis-review


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/09/26 02:35:46


Post by: DarkSoldier


 Ghool wrote:
Like in Quebec (and why it’s not being sold there either), a large corporation like Hasbro is more inclined to not push any regional packaging laws.
That’s my assumption based on all I’ve read so far.


Two reasons come to mind why Hasbro isn't shipping this to Quebec:

1: Laws related to language used on commercial products. Quebec is really anal about using French and Hasbro doesn't want to spend money producing alternate-language material.

2: Quebec has stronger consumer protection laws than the rest of Canada. You can get away with some shady practices elsewhere, but not Quebec.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/02 01:16:03


Post by: Kalamadea


In addition to the official campaign, I was inspired to update some of my old stuff like I've been planning for years. Ordered some 3F printed doors off ebay that are much nicer than the cardboard ones, but I also wanted a mousepad material board, and found one already available! Ordered it Sept 23 and it just came in today, and it is REALLY nice! Not cheap, mat was $50 and it was another $20 to ship, but I highly recommended for anyone who like mousepad mats for boardgames (I wish more board games would make these available, they hit my Gamer OCD just right).

https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/soft-rubber-heroquest-gaming-boards-custom-playmat/

Website doesn't have an image of what you get, but fortunately somebody filmed a review and put it on youtube, which is what convinced me to try it and I agree that it is every bit as good, and slightly oversized to fit larger models better






HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/04 13:24:31


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


$1.8 million and 33 days to go in case you're wondering.

https://hasbropulse.com/products/heroquest-game-system


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/04 17:04:50


Post by: Jadenim


They’re either very lucky or very well researched in their stretch goals then, because they top out at $2m


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/04 19:18:21


Post by: Ghool


 Jadenim wrote:
They’re either very lucky or very well researched in their stretch goals then, because they top out at $2m


During their PulseCon video, they hinted at having stretch goals out to $2 million.
Also, Joe M. is D&Ds celebrity spokesperson, and has featured as Deathstroke in the
Justice League movie post credits scene, and he had a recurring minor role on
How I Met Your Mother, as one of Marshall’s college buddies, and later rival lawyer in
Ah is first major court case on the show. I do believe he was also on the 90s sitcom Freaks and Geeks.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 15:26:10


Post by: pancakeonions


They hinted at having stretch goals at out to *4* million - that Joe fellow had some missions and a boss monster planned as the $4m reward. Which seems very ambitious, unless they plan on other activities to drum up interest in the interim. There might be a little bump at the end, but I doubt it'll be much (e.g., I didn't see a "remind me" button for undecided potential backers to get a nudge at the end of the campaign)

So far, there really hasn't been that much effort to get folks into this - and given that it's Hasbro (a billion dollar company that surely sees this as piddling amounts of $$$) I don't see much changing.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 18:56:03


Post by: CodeKantorBlue


<rant>

3 of the female characters only available as a bonus is insulting!

Lack of international shipping is an annoyance, selling it through their own store is neither here nor there.

Only having the 3 additional female characters as a bonus is incredibly tone deaf in this day and age.

I'm sure their are many among us of a certain age old enough to have young children to play this with or nieces and nephews. Heroquest is a great place to start. Treating females as an optional bonus not so much.

Heck even the heel draggers at GW are starting to get the message. We aren't just selling to 10 year old boys anymore.

</rant>


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 19:23:48


Post by: pancakeonions


Completely agreed. I was happy to see all characters got female variants (and it looks like the Warlock might *only* have a female version?)

But I see that only a few minis (Sir Ragnar? Maybe also the Witch Lord and Mentor male wizard) are "only available during the campaign" so my hope is that these figures will be available for folks who miss this campaign, but still want to pick up a copy of the game to play with their friends and family who might want to play a female dwarf!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 20:01:39


Post by: CodeKantorBlue


 pancakeonions wrote:
Completely agreed. I was happy to see all characters got female variants (and it looks like the Warlock might *only* have a female version?)

But I see that only a few minis (Sir Ragnar? Maybe also the Witch Lord and Mentor male wizard) are "only available during the campaign" so my hope is that these figures will be available for folks who miss this campaign, but still want to pick up a copy of the game to play with their friends and family who might want to play a female dwarf!


I certainly hope so, especially the female dwarf.

---

With the negatives out of the way I can talk about the positives of this new release. The changed artwork and new miniatures will mean they can release new content with a consistent style. If they want to do more expansions which add more advanced rules they can keep it cohesive. Merely resurrecting the game as an unchanged reprint would make that task more difficult.

I feel neither one way nor the other about new art and designs, old and new both have their merits. However modern releases have a certain expectation and meeting that makes the product less niche than a 1 to 1 reprint of the original. I can see young players (or their parents) picking up the game, knowing nothing of the original, and enjoying this as a new product giving it a new lease of life.

HeroQuest and the heavier weight Space Crusade is part of what got me into the hobby in the first place, although I was painting Warhammer miniatures before then. The re-release of a light weight, child & family friendly dungeon crawler should be celebrated. Even if the method of its initial reissue is a bit of a shambles.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 20:43:35


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


They've said specifically these female alternates are 'pulse' bonuses so unless you back via the pulse 'kickstarter' you won't get them

now that doesn't prevent them from offering a different female sculpt later if they do get to a retail release, but from the sound of it that's not terribly likely

so if you want to try and influence them drop them a line directly (and try not to let on your not from the USA as at least at the moment they're not paying attention to any other market)


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 21:20:42


Post by: CodeKantorBlue


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
so if you want to try and influence them drop them a line directly (and try not to let on your not from the USA as at least at the moment they're not paying attention to any other market)


They're not paying much attention to the fact the world has moved on since the 1980s either, a single playable female in the standard set is their only concession to modernity. As you suggest I shall try contacting them directly. At least they will have heard the complaint. I hope the Bard hammers them for this in a future video.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 21:47:48


Post by: pancakeonions


Wait, is that true (i.e., no female variants if you miss the pulse)? I don't see that on the Pulse page, and don't remember hearing that...

Do you (or anyone else) remember where you heard that?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 22:15:00


Post by: Monkeysloth


 pancakeonions wrote:
Wait, is that true (i.e., no female variants if you miss the pulse)? I don't see that on the Pulse page, and don't remember hearing that...

Do you (or anyone else) remember where you heard that?


The graphic right above them says "Pulse Bonus"


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/05 22:41:48


Post by: SamusDrake


With a clearer mind after the crushing disappointment, crowd funding was not the way to go. Should have tested the waters with the core game first and done a proper international release. If it sold - which any fool knows it will - they could follow up with Return of the Witch Lord( the most popular expansion ) and then Kellars keep.

The UK would have been an easy sales victory as the game is practically synonymous with Games Workshop, where players are concerned. People can debate about the finer details of who owns the rights to the game, but to the game playing public it was simply MB Games and Games Workshop on the box. Whether GW were to be involved in the new edition or not, players would still make that connection through nostalgia alone.

It is without a doubt that Heroquest and Space Crusade boosted GW to super stardom in the games world back in the early 90s. Christ, even the girl next door had a copy and asked me "how does this s*** work?". And it didn't end at the tabletop neither - both games had home computer adaptations that rubbed shoulders with even the big name film licenses of the time. Heroquest even received the Return of the Witchlord expansion and both adaptations were well received.

I'm not going to speak for our european friends on how successful these two games were, but I do remember a trip to france( loved it ) and in the big department stores they had both games on display in glass cabinets near to those holding the all-conquering NES and top selling games of the time. It was strange seeing alternative art for Space Crusade, but do remember it well. Speaking of the NES there was a prototype of HQ made but for whatever reason was never released...

While time has moved on, Heroquest - at least - has an incredible legacy amongst players even today. Seriously, this feels like Disney finally getting the keys to LucasFilm and then crowdfunding Episode 7 for showing in America only...

Sigh...

...oh well...anyone up for a game of Hungry Hippos?


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/06 01:24:44


Post by: Snrub


For those in New Zealand, Mighty Ape has done a deal with Hasbro by the looks of it, to get the game available in NZ.


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/06 11:53:00


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Ghool wrote:
 Jadenim wrote:
They’re either very lucky or very well researched in their stretch goals then, because they top out at $2m


During their PulseCon video, they hinted at having stretch goals out to $2 million.
Also, Joe M. is D&Ds celebrity spokesperson, and has featured as Deathstroke in the
Justice League movie post credits scene, and he had a recurring minor role on
How I Met Your Mother, as one of Marshall’s college buddies, and later rival lawyer in
Ah is first major court case on the show. I do believe he was also on the 90s sitcom Freaks and Geeks.


They’ve definitely got additional stretch goals to add.

If we read the creator’s blurbs, there’s another hero described, and a further quest book.

Whether said Quest Books will come with extra models, who knows!


HeroQuest - Hasbropulse project (US/Canada only) UK delivery via Zavvi now live @ 2020/10/06 17:01:47


Post by: pancakeonions


 Monkeysloth wrote:
 pancakeonions wrote:
Wait, is that true (i.e., no female variants if you miss the pulse)? I don't see that on the Pulse page, and don't remember hearing that...

Do you (or anyone else) remember where you heard that?


The graphic right above them says "Pulse Bonus"


Exactly! Not limited or exclusive. So what do they mean by "bonus"?

The graphic for Sir Ragnar says "Limited Time Exclusives! The Heroic Tier features the fan-favorite character Sir Ragnar. This version of the character miniature will only be available during this campaign!" and I didn't see anywhere similar language for the four "pulse bonus" characters. But maybe I missed it? I presume those would be available retail (seems an easy win for Hasbro to do this, as the optics of excluding the female characters from retail seems worth avoiding?)