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 Monkeysloth wrote:
... but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug)

It's not just nostalgia. My wife has zero interest in miniatures games in general, because for the most part she finds them too complicated. She would much rather play games were she can just play the game without having to think about rules, and Heroquest is simple enough to fit that requirement, while still offering enough room for fun things to happen.

We made some very slight changes to the rules when we played through it with her younger brothers - like giving players two 'actions' rather than the fixed 'move then attack or search' turn, and adding a 'ressurection scroll' that can be bought to protect the party from unforeseen, villain-related incidents - but for the most part, the game does exactly what we want it to do.

Being old doesn't automatically mean that something actually needs updating.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.

The designs are very D&D friendly and the SG figures look to be even more so. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some push at some point to do that but I also know from people that have worked at WoTC that they're very careful not to over saturate D&D into other properties -- especially ones that already have large fanbases that might react the wrong way. Look how long it took them to release D&D setting books for Magic. The whole reason for them not doing it for years was worry about how Magic fans would react and they were very careful about the approach as they didn't want people to think that Magic was getting D&D branded in any way.


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 insaniak wrote:


Being old doesn't automatically mean that something actually needs updating.

Didn't mean to imply that it does. Just that Something that's out of print and people have fond memories of tends to drive interest in this day and age and Heroquest as long been the golden goose of this talk for many boardgamers, tabeltop gamers and RPG players.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I was going to get them to ship it to my brother in Canada, but $135 for shipping?? Then I'd have to pay to get it shipped to the UK, plus customs charges...I'd be looking at well over $200 just on shipping.

Oh well, I guess I'm glad that it doesn't look that inspiring anyway, mini's just aren't doing it for me.

Does your brother live near the border? Perhaps the loot group can find a nearby US address to ship to, then all the local Canadian members can pick up the packages from there?

There's already a D&D board game line - the latest was, I think, Tomb of Annihilation. The others in the line were Castle Ravenloft, Wrath of Arshadalon, Legend of Drizzt and Temple of Elemental Evil. They use modified 4E rules. There's older ones two - anyone remember Dragonstrike?

There's lots of others out there nowadays - Descent, Gloomhaven, Super Dungeon Explore, Arcadia Quest, Massive Darkness, etc.

GW has the Warhammer Quest line, though their recent attempts have been nothing like the Advanced Heroquest/Warhammer Quest of old (and I kind of wish they'd do one in that spirit). They did Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal under the new design (have the former, but not the latter).

This is a throwback to what I think was one of the first attempts back in the '80s. I'd be extremely surprised if it led to an Advanced version, but if it makes enough we might see more expansions - I think there's still three they didn't include in this one.

 Gallahad wrote:
I've never played the original so I don't have nostalgia goggles but I've heard a lot of good things about this game, so I gave it a browse...

I have to say I'm not even mildly tempted currently. The value is very low imo unless this game is truly top tier fun.

Shadows of Brimstone just released some updated core sets for about the same price each, and that is a fun game that is still supported. CMON and FFG also seem to have modern games with a lot more content than is on offer here.

Lots of good dungeoncrawlers out there, in addition to all those games I also have a massive amount of Dungeon Saga too, which is very much in theme with Heroquest. Enough that I've always wanted to make a custom Heroquest set of it, but to get the few pieces I don't have, plus print the books and cards, plus get the custom dice off an Etsy maker, and I was always looking at close to the cost of just getting an old set off of ebay :(

I'm looking at grabbing a Mythic tier, love love LOVE the new art and ESPECIALLY love the new heroes. That Barbarian sculpt is the best one I've ever seen, probably my favorite long-haired buff dude mini since the original Valten.

And I REALLY love that you get male and female versions of each hero, I was initially really disappointed that they made the Elf a female until I saw that. More dungeoncrawlers should do this, I want to make a hero and play an RPG-lite, I don't want to play some named character with a prebuilt backstory. The D&D Ravenloft boardgames are the biggest offenders here, all the player characters are set name, set class, set race. You'd think a D&D boardgame of all games would have some sort of custom character creation

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.

I recommend you look at the fan-made AHQ books. Material's better, and you probably already have the miniatures, and can make your own tiles, if you don't already have, say, 3D game tiles. AHQ doesn't really need any components other than the rulebook (ie. no cards or character thingies).

https://ahqreforged.blogspot.com/p/links.html
https://enhancedadvancedheroquest.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html


Unfortunately, it looks like the eBay prices for HQ shot up to $100+. You *can* make your own copy, although, obviously, you're looking at DIY quality.

Searched for "dungeoncrawler for kids" and found Quest Kids. Rules are online. : https://www.treasurefallsgames.com/game


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 Monkeysloth wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised, if this does really well, to see their own version of Advanced HQ (called something else since GW owns that) or Heroquest 2 come out that's exactly what you want. It would be good business plan I think as there's more people that down own the OG one then do but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug) then once that's taken care of and the OG fans that demand it reprinted with little to no changes are happy (as they're most likely to be the ones the most vocal about it being updated causing negative press) do an updated/modern version that I'm sure all the game designers working on this want to do.

I think Omega (?) on the BGG forums mentioned two other dungeoncrawlers Hasbro released after HQ, including Dragon Saga (???)

IIRC, Battle Masters and HeroScape used the same dice as HQ, so, who knows, Hasbro may look at the Haslab numbers and decide to put out another dungeoncrawler, based on HQ.

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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.

If they do a reboot of AHQ I’d move heaven and earth to get a copy!

Advanced Heroquest was a GW game, so that would be up to them.

Have to admit, the cynical part of my brain would be slightly amused if GW were to announce an Advanced Heroquest or Warhammer Quest re-release tomorrow...

I doubt that GW would release anything that included the name Heroquest these days, but I could see them bringing out an advanced version of Warhammer Quest. The rules wouldn't allow you to make your own characters of course, you'd have to buy £50 expansion packs containing one character model and a few cards each.


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 ced1106 wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Heroquest was a fantastic gateway game, but Advanced Heroquest was far superior for anybody that wanted more depth to their dungeon crawls.

I recommend you look at the fan-made AHQ books. Material's better, and you probably already have the miniatures, and can make your own tiles, if you don't already have, say, 3D game tiles. AHQ doesn't really need any components other than the rulebook (ie. no cards or character thingies).

https://ahqreforged.blogspot.com/p/links.html
https://enhancedadvancedheroquest.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html

Thanks Ced, I'm aware of the first link, but haven't seen the second one before


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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I was going to get them to ship it to my brother in Canada, but $135 for shipping?? Then I'd have to pay to get it shipped to the UK, plus customs charges...I'd be looking at well over $200 just on shipping.

Oh well, I guess I'm glad that it doesn't look that inspiring anyway, mini's just aren't doing it for me.

Does your brother live near the border? Perhaps the loot group can find a nearby US address to ship to, then all the local Canadian members can pick up the packages from there?

He lives in Toronto. He'd be happy to ship something to me, but a drive across the border to pick up a board game is probably a different matter

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Hasbro is in an odd spot as there's a large group of people that don't want the rules changed but there's a large group of people that want it updated. Probably pretty close to 50%-50% just here on Dakka.

A rewrite would actually have to be good enough to compete on the market. A reprint only appeals to grognards, but is a sure sale for them. A modest crowdfunder is a pretty appropriate venture for this.

While the modern dungeon crawlers are generally going to be more fun for adults, for the (original) target audience of Heroquest, kids I suspect even today it would hold up well,

Descent, Hellboy, Shadows of Brimstone etc are all good fun but they have rules that take a bit of thinking about (and if you look at BGG lots of arguing and questions from rafts of folk who seem disinclines to just make an educated guess and stick to to)

Heroquest is simple, a few 10 year olds can easily have a lot of fun with it, and if the enjoy the whole 'almost roleplaying' thing they'll be inventing their own varients by they time they've played for a couple of years

More modern complicated games are far more likely to be abandoned as the one owns the game just hasn't got a decent enough grip on the rules to make the first few tries fun


I actually wonder if the plasic (?) furniture of this will work as well as the old card/plastic hybrids (for kids) since they're not going to be in colour. Yes the can be painted and will then look loads better, but to start with they'll be less impressive

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.

This is the first wishlisting i have seen on many sites that could be an actual reality and makes logistical and financial sense.

I hope you're right, as heroquest was always the generic standin for D&D to avoid copyright issues.

But really, i just want the D&D fantasy adventure boardgame to come back. It was heroquest, but updated and had very few drawbacks compared to heroquest. The minis provided, however, were naff.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.

One thing that is kind of nice about having this brand under the Hasbro brand (and thus in the same company that owns D&D), is that when this hits retail and if it does well enough, they can do further expansions utilizing some of the proprietary monsters from D&D as villains. It would be cool to have an expansion where the boss was Mind Flayer or Beholder or something.

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 Monkeysloth wrote:
... but it's regularly talked about how great it is (nostalgia is a hell of a drug)

It's not just nostalgia. My wife has zero interest in miniatures games in general, because for the most part she finds them too complicated. She would much rather play games were she can just play the game without having to think about rules, and Heroquest is simple enough to fit that requirement, while still offering enough room for fun things to happen.

We made some very slight changes to the rules when we played through it with her younger brothers - like giving players two 'actions' rather than the fixed 'move then attack or search' turn, and adding a 'ressurection scroll' that can be bought to protect the party from unforeseen, villain-related incidents - but for the most part, the game does exactly what we want it to do.

Being old doesn't automatically mean that something actually needs updating.

This is such a big deal for me. I love playing board games, and I play them with a wide variety of people. We also plays lots of different ones and often times with several weeks (or in the case of Covid months) between sessions. Having relatively simple rules for a game means that nearly anyone can sit down and pick the game up relatively quickly and get playing, even if they haven't read the rulebook as long as someone has read it. It also means that you can get invested with the game more quickly as you don't have to constantly break immersion by looking up rules every few minutes during the first couple times you play a game. I also try to steer away from games that take 3+ hours to play, because most of the people I play with (myself included) would rather play several rounds of the same game or a couple different games in an evening rather than have a single marathon session.

Because of this Heroquest is a really solid for people like me, and this is from someone who never officially played it by the rules (a friend had it, but we were like 8 and just made up our own game with sweet minis). I have seen several games played though, and it looks to tick a lot of the boxes of what I look for in a dungeon crawler.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s been less than two hours, and it’s already 20% funded.

Imagine what it'd be up to if they'd opened it up to the whole world and not charged Canadians $135 in shipping.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s been less than two hours, and it’s already 20% funded.

Imagine what it'd be up to if they'd opened it up to the whole world and not charged Canadians $135 in shipping.

Yeah, this is 100% the truth. Game would probably be at 1.5 million at this point. I get not being able to ship to countries where there are legal disputes about the rights, but why not everywhere else?

Also, with Hasbro having distribution in Canada, you think it would have been easier for them to find a cheaper shipping method.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Given that Hasbro owns WOTC, and D&D is having a massive resurgence, I'm kinda surprised they didn't put this out under that brand. Maybe that's in store for a wide release outside of NA with modernized mechanics? Keeping this essentially as a nostalgia reprint for 40 something dads to bond with their kids seems about right for Haslab.

Well, Hasbro / WotC / WizKids / Whoever does have the D&D Adventure System games, and they're up to their sixth set or something. While it's not HQ (it's certainly more complicated), profits must be good enough that they're interested in continuing the series. HQ, though, isn't D&D in that the spells are elemental, and not D&D spells. Some on BGG guessed that the D&D adventure system was Hasbro's dungeoncrawler, contributing to their non-release of HQ.

Not that I wouldn't pick up a standalone HQ expansion every few years...

:Looking at the HasbroPulse site, it looks like the Heroic tier has the base game only.. no stretches

I am not totally thrilled by the 2 expansions in the Mythic tier, and was planning just on getting Heroic, but the extra heroes are very tempting, female halfling warlock please..

My wife got me that Wrath of Ashardalon game. Some useful figures, but I hated it. Not even close to Heroquest! Let's hear it for "if its not broke, don't fix it!"

So it looks like molded into rounds. That's too bad as I was only interested in this for some flavorful minis to use in 6th ed. WFB. If it turns out they tab or post in, I'll buy this thing like it's my job. Well, price depending. If this is an available at Walmart game I can't imagine it'll have the... boutique pricing.

Fairly sure they've only shown renders of the models so far, so it's possible they'll be separate... but I would expect that they'll be single-piece models, moulded onto the bases.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:


He lives in Toronto. He'd be happy to ship something to me, but a drive across the border to pick up a board game is probably a different matter

I for one am shocked that your brother is not willing to spend a day driving, followed by 14 days in quarantine, to pick up a board game.

decker_cky wrote:

I for one am shocked that your brother is not willing to spend a day driving, followed by 14 days in quarantine, to pick up a board game.

Probably couldn't even get that far - border's closed, isn't it?

If I'm reading their page correctly, it looks like the different-gender figures are exclusive to this crowdfunding thing? Disappointing. If they're leaving them out of a retail release, I wish they would have made the split between the included characters 50/50 rather than just having one "The Girl" character. Certainly still an improvement on the original, but c'mon, it's 2020.

 Just Tony wrote:
So it looks like molded into rounds. That's too bad as I was only interested in this for some flavorful minis to use in 6th ed. WFB. If it turns out they tab or post in, I'll buy this thing like it's my job.

I wouldn't worry, trimming single-part plastic minis like these off their bases is actually super easy. Just make sure you don't hold the knife the stupid way round and slice your thumb open. Ask me how I know.

The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.

I don't know this crowdfunding site, but here it really seems like a big pre-order for US market only.

So it's just the original Heroquest, but with new miniatures and art basically. I dig them, including the exclusive - limited ones. It's just sad I won't be able to have them. The whole thing is another gift to Ebay sellers who will put outrageous prices for the limited miniatures.

Yeah, it sucks for us europeans, but well...

I’m in. Mythic tier. Thanks to a lovely member of the Loot Group agreeing to be an address patsy.

Not predicting any issues, as Hasbro don’t say ‘no international orders’, just ‘we only ship to USA and Canada’, and those are of course two separate things!

Ooooh, I’m all excited now!

Silly question..

Do they charge your card immediately or only at the end of the funding period (Nov, I think)..

AND.. anyone tried to change a pledge from Heroic to Mythic or other way?

I have experience with Kickstarter, and am not sure how much maps to this new (to me) Hasbro site

No money is taken until it’s funded. But the wording was, to me at least, ambiguous as to whether that means initial funding hit, or end of the project?

Either way, my card has been pre-authorised, but nothing has been taken as yet.

The shipping being almost as much as the Mythic pledge itself is pretty nuts.
So if I want this it’s costing me almost $400CAD for the base game and expansions. Ouch.
I might just stick with MD2 and throw some more cash CMONs way instead.

 Pacific wrote:
The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.

That happens with everything Haslab and Hasbro Pulse does, and they never address it.

It's not unique to HeroQuest tbh.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
The social media for this release is 90% people moaning about it not being available outside the US/Canada (with a portion of that people complaining about the Canada postage costs - delivery by goblin-drawn cart I take it for that price?)

So any positive hype around this game is drowned in the complaints. I don't understand why they don't add something to the FAQ or a comment as to why the game is not being released internationally? Something like "we can't because x" or " very sorry fans outside of NA, the game will come to you eventually on xxx". They must have known the backlash it would have received.

That happens with everything Haslab and Hasbro Pulse does, and they never address it.

It's not unique to HeroQuest tbh.

I wonder what Hasbro's 'game plan' is? I've backed probably well over a dozen crowd-funded efforts (mostly KS but also Indiegogo). I've not once had one that's been restricted in this way, and some of those are super small efforts that are literally some guy casting a few items in his garage, working in his spare time.

Although looking at the P&P charge for Canada I'm guessing I would have to re-mortgage the house to pay for it anyway!

An amusing part of this is that so much of the social media response is "WTAF why no EU?!?!?!?" written 200 times, and there is absolutely no acknowledgement from the company about it at all.
Some quite funny memes doing the rounds

Well, it’s funded!