Found this on BoLS from Larry Vela a little bit ago.


6/13/14

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/06/40-rumors-guess-whats-coming-after-orks.html?m=1

There's a bunch of activity out past Orks this year for Warhammer 40,000 fanatics.  Here's the latest whispers in the trees:



First of all, this is about Warhammer 40,000.

So yes, we all know - directly after Orks is Bretonnia, which has indeed been patiently waiting since the Jurassic period.

But we've heard that there is an untraditional Chaos release window on the far side of that during the summer.  We've been told to look for:

- Chaos Daemons Release Window
- 3-4 Week release period
- Daemon themed Apoc Warzone Book
- New CD Dataslates
- New CD Formations

See anything missing in there?  Strangely no mention of a codex, so it may be a "get out a bunch of models" (I'm betting the plastic Major Daemons) and support books only, like we saw with the Helbrute/ CSM release window.

7/8/14

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/07/gw-rumors-summer-schedule-fasten-your.html?m=1

Guess what's missing from the next 2 month GW schedule that's doing the rounds?



The latest scuttlebutt schedule looks like this taking us into September:

July
Stormclaw Box Set (Orks vs Space Wolves)
Terrain week (remember those new Realm of Battle urban tiles)
Space Wolves (with codex)

August
Chaos (4 week release window, taking up all month)
-Nurgle big kit
-Plastic Plague marines
-More stuff, with no specific word on 40k vs WFb, or even CSM vs Daemons...

September
All rumors fall into the black hole of September.  GW has something "big and secret" in there for all their fans.

See what's not listed in there?  Here's a hint - it involves the Lady of the Lake...

Please apply the appropriate amount of salt.

So what happend to the last BoLs rumour?

Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary: Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70
Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)
Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- ‘Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification
This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically “NOT 7th Edition.”

 l0k1 wrote:
Found this on BoLS from Larry Vela

Please apply the appropriate amount of salt.

So all of the salt?

Well we need new Greaters ASAP

but didnt they already show the old ones in the rulebook?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
Found this on BoLS from Larry Vela

Please apply the appropriate amount of salt.

So all of the salt?

Well, Larry and BoLS are in Texas. Supposedly everything is bigger there.

So yes, ALL the salt.

I can see them doing this as the natural follow-up to demonology. Make demons available to everyone, then release new demon models a few months later (after, of course, everyone has bought the rubbish old ones... specifically the Bloodthirster, the rest look OK, but I'm sure most would prefer plastic)

Oblig:

Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (111 TRUE) / (183 FALSE) / (11 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

On reading the thread title and opening it...



On seeing it came from Larry Vela...

Even so, a Daemon wave makes sense. Good way for GW to capitalise on the summoning spells in 7th and sell lots of Daemons.

So Larry has about a 40% rate of being correct? In all honesty, with how hush-hush GW is and their ability to change stuff whenever they want...I don't think 40% is that terrible. If only our government got stuff right 40% of the time!!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So Larry has about a 40% rate of being correct? In all honesty, with how hush-hush GW is and their ability to change stuff whenever they want...I don't think 40% is that terrible. If only our government got stuff right 40% of the time!!

Considering you could probably guess higher than that...

Welp. As a fantasy player I wouldn't mind a few new GD models. (Fateweaver and KOS) I really like my converted GUO and LoC. the current thirster is solid.

That being said plastic fiends and beasts would be welcome.

Some new rules or adjustments could be useful as well to improve the DoC book.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So Larry has about a 40% rate of being correct? In all honesty, with how hush-hush GW is and their ability to change stuff whenever they want...I don't think 40% is that terrible. If only our government got stuff right 40% of the time!!

More crucially, and Pretre can confirm or deny I'm sure, his hit rate is based on old rumours, and anything from the last year or so has only served to reduce his accuracy, suggesting he has perhaps lost a source, but not stopped posting his own speculation as rumours.

Which, in turn, is only my speculation of course.

Yep, for instance, he recently posted that wholly crap 40k = Fantasy rumor set.

Larry Vela's track record aside, I can believe these rumors. With 7th edition making daemons really good, and with the success of creature caster, it makes sense that GW would want to keep people buying their daemon line. Not to mention there are a number of daemon models that are in dire need of new scuplts.

Though these rumors do come from a someone with a less than stellar record, at least it's some news.

Plastic Greater Daemons have been on their way since 5th to the best of my knowledge, they're up there with the Plastic THawk, Sisters and Warhound.

Now, I know the original post doesn't specific plastic GDs, but it is difficult not to make that leap, especially when a surprising number of the other daemon kits are already plastic.

Fiends, Beasts, Furies, Hounds...

Starting to run out of other options, excepting characters, and I doubt any but Hounds would sell in enough numbers to justify the investment to convert, so unless they introduce some more new units as dataslates, without GDs, there's not a lot to release.

Don't get me wrong, as a daemons man, I'd love to see it, but I'm going to hold on to my skepticism for a while longer.

 azreal13 wrote:
Plastic Greater Daemons have been on their way since 5th to the best of my knowledge, they're up there with the Plastic THawk, Sisters and Warhound.

You are correct.

To be fair we've actually had talk from people in the know who have seen what appeared to be new GD's all the way back to the end of 5th I believe, early 6th. Given how long I know they have sat on plastic releases before waiting for a good window I wouldn't be surprised if they were done.

That being said IF a daemon supplement is coming out I could see them being released. Without such a tied into release I can't see them getting put out there. And 7th is fertile ground for the new plastic GD's if ever there was any. Especially the GUO and LoC.

Yeah, I believe Harry and Hastings both chimed in on Plastic GD.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 l0k1 wrote:
Found this on BoLS from Larry Vela

Please apply the appropriate amount of salt.

So all of the salt?

Not ALL the salt!! Surely you can't be serious!!

Okay, I lol'd.

 azreal13 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So Larry has about a 40% rate of being correct? In all honesty, with how hush-hush GW is and their ability to change stuff whenever they want...I don't think 40% is that terrible. If only our government got stuff right 40% of the time!!

More crucially, and Pretre can confirm or deny I'm sure, his hit rate is based on old rumours, and anything from the last year or so has only served to reduce his accuracy, suggesting he has perhaps lost a source, but not stopped posting his own speculation as rumours.

Which, in turn, is only my speculation of course.

Add him to the tracker, Pretre!

What the rumourmonger rumourtracker?

 Acardia wrote:
Welp. As a fantasy player I wouldn't mind a few new GD models. (Fateweaver and KOS) I really like my converted GUO and LoC. the current thirster is solid.

That being said plastic fiends and beasts would be welcome.

Some new rules or adjustments could be useful as well to improve the DoC book.

Not sure if you're being serious, the thirster is possibly tied for worst of the four with the KOS, if not the outright winner, the lord of change is just about the only one that stands up without conversion, GUO is passable with a little work.

The problem I'm having is that it does make sense, which is why it's probably a wild guess.

And, see, I will disagree with you there: I think the keeper of secrets is awesome. The only issue I have with it is the height.

IMO the original KoS looked the best. But it is now tiny in comparison to the current one:

(note: not mine - I chopped mine up & stuck the upper half onto the body of the original dragon ogre thus loosing 2 of GWs nicest figures .
The image comes from: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?363613-The-2013-Keeper-of-Secrets posted by Odin)


I backed the Creature Caster KS but I will probably use the ones I'm getting for the character daemons from the FW books, so might be tempted to get all four (here's hoping that GW does one of those 1-click collections to save me 1 minute of my life!!).

 Paradigm wrote:
I can see them doing this as the natural follow-up to demonology. Make demons available to everyone, then release new demon models a few months later (after, of course, everyone has bought the rubbish old ones... specifically the Bloodthirster, the rest look OK, but I'm sure most would prefer plastic)

I'm actually OK with the current Bloodthirster. It's the other three (especially the GUO and LoC) that I can't stand.

I'd like to run a more Nurgle-oriented list, but I won't put models on the table unless I like the way they look.


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 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 Acardia wrote:
Welp. As a fantasy player I wouldn't mind a few new GD models. (Fateweaver and KOS) I really like my converted GUO and LoC. the current thirster is solid.

That being said plastic fiends and beasts would be welcome.

Some new rules or adjustments could be useful as well to improve the DoC book.

Not sure if you're being serious, the thirster is possibly tied for worst of the four with the KOS, if not the outright winner, the lord of change is just about the only one that stands up without conversion, GUO is passable with a little work.

The problem I'm having is that it does make sense, which is why it's probably a wild guess.

I almost like the current Bloodthirster, I don't hate the current KoS, but I actively revile the other two. Which makes me sad because I generally play Tzeentch lists and I hate the current LoC.

It's about time that they release new greater daemons. The current ones are putrid


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If they also relase updated slaanesh fiends, i'll have to sell a few organs.

The current BT looks like a rabid poodle. The current GUO is so small it looks like something a proper GUO would pass after breakfast, the KoS is just wrong for me on many levels, it should be the classic four armed boobie Minotaur of old. I'll give the LoC a pass, but could do better.

New GD sculpts would have to be awesome to persuade to me to buy and use them over my current alternate models though, proper lust-inducing, and not just the KoS!

I really hope this is true.. since yeah the current GD's are some of the worst models in the range.. i also need more BA !

Looking at the Malefic table, You can summon 3 bloodcrushers of Khorne (one plastic box) 3 screamers of Tzeentch (1 plastic box) 3 plague drones of nurgle (1 plastic box) or 3 Fiends of Slaanesh- individual finecast models, with 2 of the three designs No Longer available on the US site.

Seems rather logical for Fiends to be put out as a 3 pack in plastic.

After that, Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch all have GDs with a special character option that could be included. Slaanesh does not have a named greater daemon, so one would have to be created if they wanted to add a SC to the kit.

Lord of Change and Fateweaver kits are still quite good. Khorne is worst off appearance wise, especially compared to the plastic Balrog GW also sells.
GUO is nearly as bad.

Khorne and Nurgle are also probably the two easier daemons to do the aesthetic for.

So potentially 3 kits for 3 weeks? 3 pack Fiends, GUO/Kugath, and Bloodthirster/Skarbrand?

That would leave the other 2 GDs, Beasts of Nurgle, Hounds of Khorne, and Furies left to go in plastic, which would also be a good mix for the next codex release- 5 kits, with all 4 gods represented, 2 monster kits, a 3 pack large critter, a 5 pack beast, and 5/10 pack troop.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Not sure if you're being serious, the thirster is possibly tied for worst of the four with the KOS, if not the outright winner, the lord of change is just about the only one that stands up without conversion, GUO is passable with a little work.

And all four of them were much better with their original heads. Why GW changed them I'll never know.

Bloodthirster
Keeper of Secrets
Great Unclean One
Lord of Change

I'm ok with the current bloodthirster. It could be better, but it's ok. Lord of change is easily the best out of the group. Keeper of secrets.....I don't even know what it's suppose to be. Great unclean one....just god awful.

Though with data slates, they could introduce new models with points and rules. Perhaps a named greater daemon for slaanesh. Why not? They did a mini WD supplement that added models not long ago.

If and when GW update the greater demons it's going to be interesting to see their approach. You look at the other 40k monstrous creatures they aren't single purpose models they either have options or two different units built from the same kit. It'd be neat to see a variety of heads. I just hope GW doesn't do anything stupid like trying to do a combined kit or a more generic Greater Daemon to cut down on the necessary effort.

 The Shadow wrote:
Even so, a Daemon wave makes sense. Good way for GW to capitalise on the summoning spells in 7th and sell lots of Daemons.

That's actually a really good point. Plus it would allow them to move more of the range into plastic - plastic Flesh Hounds and Fiends, 3 to a box, would be a great start.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Not sure if you're being serious, the thirster is possibly tied for worst of the four with the KOS, if not the outright winner, the lord of change is just about the only one that stands up without conversion, GUO is passable with a little work.

And all four of them were much better with their original heads. Why GW changed them I'll never know.

Bloodthirster
Keeper of Secrets
Great Unclean One
Lord of Change

GUO still comes with that head. You have the option of that head or the other one.

I thought it would have been something like;
Blood Angels,
Daemons,
Space Wolves. Not Daemons first, but they are awesome so I do not mind. More daemons to kill for me

 Ascalam wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Not sure if you're being serious, the thirster is possibly tied for worst of the four with the KOS, if not the outright winner, the lord of change is just about the only one that stands up without conversion, GUO is passable with a little work.

And all four of them were much better with their original heads. Why GW changed them I'll never know.

Bloodthirster
Keeper of Secrets
Great Unclean One
Lord of Change

GUO still comes with that head. You have the option of that head or the other one.

I'm pretty sure the Bloodthirster comes with that head as well. You get that god awful one and one that I think is better.

IIRC, the LoC that I bought a few years ago, and have yet to build, has both variant heads as well as both staff toppers in the box, don't know about the current crop.

doesn't matter how cool they make the thirster.... he's still the most useless model rulewise in the game....

oh bloodthirster, i love you so. hold that shelf down, make sure it doesn't run away!

Its hard to imagine GW putting out 4 large kits and possibly hounds + fiends in one wave.
At the same time i thnk gw would make a great profit on them all.

Greater daemons would probably not be huge kits though. More like the current daemon prince.

i really hope they're bigger. greater demon makes me think larger than the demon prince lieutenants of the army.

hoping they're slaughterbrute sized, id be happy to pay that price for a greater that sized!

Oh please, oh please, oh please...

I honestly don't mind the current Kipper, as long as it's built with the goatboy head - that S&M head is just plain nasty imho. The LoC is likewise not that bad a model looks-wise considering how old it is, but the thing is a massive PitA to put together!
Actually, the only one of the current Greaters that is remotely easy'ish to build is the Fat Man - the others all suck from a construction point of view.

If they finally give us a named Kipper, then my money is on N'kari as s/he's got a tone of background story already in Fantasy, and thus would only need some 40k'ifying work.

Not really sure if this is best faction for next month release. Apart from GDs I can't think of any models ideas GW could do. They've also had a release last year. There shouldn't be another before stuff like Skaven and BA get their update.

 sing your life wrote:
Apart from GDs I can't think of any models ideas GW could do.

Fiends, Beasts and Flesh Hounds. Get 'em out of FineCost and into plastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Apart from GDs I can't think of any models ideas GW could do.

Fiends, Beasts and Flesh Hounds. Get 'em out of FineCost and into plastic.

More importantly first off, get into plastic some GREATER Daemons that aren't left trying to headbutt Hive Tyrants in the knee...

I think you're both right... GWs trying to move everything to plastic. Fiends, beasts, flesh hounds... while I understand the need, I'd say GWs losing more sales by not making new greater daemons. If GW can't do it all in one release I'm more inclined to believe they'd save a greater daemon or two for later since they'd be easier to build a release wave around.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Oh please, oh please, oh please...

I honestly don't mind the current Kipper, as long as it's built with the goatboy head - that S&M head is just plain nasty imho. The LoC is likewise not that bad a model looks-wise considering how old it is, but the thing is a massive PitA to put together!
Actually, the only one of the current Greaters that is remotely easy'ish to build is the Fat Man - the others all suck from a construction point of view.

If they finally give us a named Kipper, then my money is on N'kari as s/he's got a tone of background story already in Fantasy, and thus would only need some 40k'ifying work.

N'Kari is already in 40K. It killed Anwal Thawn that first time before he went unlimited space-Jesus.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Apart from GDs I can't think of any models ideas GW could do.

Fiends, Beasts and Flesh Hounds. Get 'em out of FineCost and into plastic.

What the hell is "finecost"?

 sing your life wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Apart from GDs I can't think of any models ideas GW could do.

Fiends, Beasts and Flesh Hounds. Get 'em out of FineCost and into plastic.

What the hell is "finecost"?

Its what the Kool Kids say.

UltraPrime wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Apart from GDs I can't think of any models ideas GW could do.

Fiends, Beasts and Flesh Hounds. Get 'em out of FineCost and into plastic.

What the hell is "finecost"?

Its what the Kool Kids say.

I usually thought the Kools Kids by called things by their actual name. It's just so much kooler.

Bearing in mind GW moving to all plastic. The amount of metal models, removed from the web site.
Demons next could be right, as new models for 40k and WHFB.

 loki old fart wrote:
Bearing in mind GW moving to all plastic. The amount of metal models, removed from the web site.
Demons next could be right, as new models for 40k and WHFB.

Except a Daemons have no model that haven't been already converted to finecast, so I'm not sure what the phasing out of metal has to do with them getting a new release.

Blood Angels/Skaven, right? Because.... why, exactly? Scheduling? Being next in line? As opposed to any practical reasons? Tyranids got updated twice before orks, guard, or Space Wolves got their new update.

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if it's purely a new model wave. Nobody's asking for a new Daemon dex. Doesn't mean they don't want to make money and gak out a new dex that everyone has to buy---but the model range right now reminds me of Two-Face. You have these nice plastic Nurglings and then you look at Epidemius' Palanquin... And of course the vomit-inducing THIRD EDITION greater daemon models. Seriously, that has become the elephant in the room for Chaos Daemons. I could ignore everything else, but not them. They're too integral to be ignored like this, they really are. Even Games Workshop sees this, they were just too full updating all the other models that needed to be updated. There has not been a Daemons update that I didn't like. But thinking back to 2010, they released a lot of models outside of an update. It's just Games Workshop's eclectic release policies that no longer let me hold expectations either way.

All that said, I think this rumor's fake

 sing your life wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
Bearing in mind GW moving to all plastic. The amount of metal models, removed from the web site.
Demons next could be right, as new models for 40k and WHFB.

Except a Daemons have no model that haven't been already converted to finecast, so I'm not sure what the phasing out of metal has to do with them getting a new release.

Because GW has started melting metal models down. Because they're moving finecast to plastic.

So looking forward to this release as the greater daemons have always been my fave models fluff-wise, but have never quite been living up to it with the mediocre models out there.

when the greaters were originally released, my god they were mindblowing awesome!!! literally awe inspiring, they held up well over time, but you can definitely tell they are aging.

Personally I'd like to see this rumor prove true, I run a mostly Slaneesh themed CSM army and summoning with my sorcerers sounds really cool, but HOT DAMN do I think the Slaaneesh demons look ridiculous, I know they're trying to be all Slaneesh-y with all the girls with big titties and big hair but come on, I think they could be more creative with the God of Excess than the sexy angle. (Granted I haven't really read much into Daemon lore)

As for the Keeper of Secrets, I actually like the GW model, the FW model on the other hand is a little too graphic to be lying around the house.

I hope its a fake

I just want BA after Bretonnians, nuff said

I think that's some sort of law in the hobby. Once you assembled and painted a model you don't really like much but need in your army, GW is going to release a new, nice-looking kit.
If that whole shebang here is true, I'll be painting a second bloodthirster it seems...

I don't see this happening,

or at least not as the 'next' 40K release

Far more likely we'll get the books that didn't get 6th edition versions as they really do look to be pushing to get everything up to date

then it's when it gets complicated, new stuff?, models without books? re-do of the 6th edition stuff or maybe even an attempt to re-start fantasy

If demons are more powerful right now then they probably will sell these next. They are after money NOT completion.

Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new? Blood Angels already have plastic Death Company and Elite Elite Assault Squads, plus a plastic Baal Predator. What's next? A special Blood Angel-only aircraft? What between the BA model line and the regular plastic Marine line are you currently missing? Or do you think GW would use this release to convert general Marine releases over to plastic (like the Thunderfire Cannon or a Techmarine/Servitor box)?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new? Blood Angels already have plastic Death Company and Elite Elite Assault Squads, plus a plastic Baal Predator. What's next? A special Blood Angel-only aircraft? What between the BA model line and the regular plastic Marine line are you currently missing? Or do you think GW would use this release to convert general Marine releases over to plastic (like the Thunderfire Cannon or a Techmarine/Servitor box)?

Good question.

In a Perfect World, I'd want GW to do an Assault Marine update a la the Tac Squad box we got with the SM codex. 10 guys, plenty of Sergeant options, a whole bunch of individual parts. The old Tac squad was great, the new one is even better, and a 10-man Assault Marine box would be awesome.

I''d kind of like to see a Dreadnought Character rules-wise (Moriar?) but that could be done with the DC Dread kit.

Ah, a guy can dream. We'll probably get a Blood-Naught-Knight not-quite-super-heavy-jump-Walker. Now with 900% more skulls. And it transforms into a Land Raider, because why not?

It would be a 5-man box. Jump infantry always have been, and can't see a replacement box adding more models.

UltraPrime wrote:
It would be a 5-man box. Jump infantry always have been, and can't see a replacement box adding more models.

Yeah, I know. It would be nice though, as Assault Marines fill the same role as Tac squads in a BA army (main line troops), to have a 10 man box. Even at £30, it would be less prohibitively expensive than the current £40 of boring sculpts would run you (And the old jump packs aren't stellar fit-wise).

A new Assault Squad box is a good idea, and something I could see them doing. Still, it'd be a 5-man box at next to double the cost of the current box.

And I forgot about the Furioso/Death Company/Librarian Dread as well. Seems there's nothing the BA's don't have.


So yeah, super-oval base walker thingy + new aircraft. No! A super-walker thingy that turns into an air-craft. A Blood Angel LAM, as it were.

BA having all their stuff in plastic is ideal, as it lets GW put out a new kit or 4,

Lots of new rules, and stuff for all the other Marine Armies to envy and demand in their next codex

plus a short term boost to BA sales while they are the only lot to have them as they become ally of choice

There's always the ancient character sculpts to revisit..

Not that they've been that keen on releasing stuff you might choose to buy to replace what you already have when they can release some new, fluff raping, über unit instead. (Or just some lame, half assed attempt like the Nephilim)

Why is Vela's credibility questionable? doesn't he own the most successful rumour mill in 40k?

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Why is Vela's credibility questionable? doesn't he own the most successful rumour mill in 40k?

Not even close.

BoLS is basically a loud repeater of stuff that's already out there.

Can't be a rumor mill if you don't mill some of your own stuff.

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

Then GeeDub doesn't have to make anything new, to sell new stuff to players.

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

If you're trying to get a rise out of me with that comment (I honestly don't know) you're barking up the wrong tree.

As far as I'm concerned all SM and CSM should be in their respective Tomes of Knowledge. There's no reason that multiple Chapters/Legions couldn't be properly represented if given space.

I've been a BA player since the first 40k Rulebook was released and would be just fine with a BA section in the main SM book as long as I had access to all their toys.

If they are to be kept separate and given and large oval or another special unit.... I have no idea what they would get. Maybe a giant robot angel piloted by a Blood Angel with a spear and the new rule Flying Walker.

Just about any Gundam Zero Custom would do.

New BA box?
Death company terminators... with jump packs!
Thats how gw fix the bloodangels, the other rules stay the same.

 Fayric wrote:
New BA box? Death company terminators... with jump packs!

In before the "That's a waste of TDA/They'd never do that!" crowd.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Red_Butchers#.U53jHdhOUdU

 Acardia wrote:
Welp. As a fantasy player I wouldn't mind a few new GD models. (Fateweaver and KOS) I really like my converted GUO and LoC. the current thirster is solid.

That being said plastic fiends and beasts would be welcome.

Some new rules or adjustments could be useful as well to improve the DoC book.

People use Fiends??

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

If you're trying to get a rise out of me with that comment (I honestly don't know) you're barking up the wrong tree.

As far as I'm concerned all SM and CSM should be in their respective Tomes of Knowledge. There's no reason that multiple Chapters/Legions couldn't be properly represented if given space.

I've been a BA player since the first 40k Rulebook was released and would be just fine with a BA section in the main SM book as long as I had access to all their toys.

If they are to be kept separate and given and large oval or another special unit.... I have no idea what they would get. Maybe a giant robot angel piloted by a Blood Angel with a spear and the new rule Flying Walker.

Just about any Gundam Zero Custom would do.

I didn't try to rise anyone out of anything. Just saying that BA could be well represented in the regular SM codex. Add some chapter-restricted stuff like death company and baal predators, their unique chapter tactic and you're good. GW missed an oportunity when they squashed the black templers and left BA and SW out as non-codex armies. I'm not against BA as a faction, i just don't think they are really that different from the other chapters. Also, there's still that dream about a superheavy jump tank :-)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new?

I'd like a flying transport that isn't a death coffin unless you're TH/SS terminators.

I'd like a mildly affordable assault vehicle. Since we are the "the assault-i-est" of the Space Marines I'm constantly amazed that orks and dark eldar get better assault transports than we do.

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

If you're trying to get a rise out of me with that comment (I honestly don't know) you're barking up the wrong tree.

As far as I'm concerned all SM and CSM should be in their respective Tomes of Knowledge. There's no reason that multiple Chapters/Legions couldn't be properly represented if given space.

I've been a BA player since the first 40k Rulebook was released and would be just fine with a BA section in the main SM book as long as I had access to all their toys.

If they are to be kept separate and given and large oval or another special unit.... I have no idea what they would get. Maybe a giant robot angel piloted by a Blood Angel with a spear and the new rule Flying Walker.

Just about any Gundam Zero Custom would do.

I didn't try to rise anyone out of anything. Just saying that BA could be well represented in the regular SM codex. Add some chapter-restricted stuff like death company and baal predators, their unique chapter tactic and you're good. GW missed an oportunity when they squashed the black templers and left BA and SW out as non-codex armies. I'm not against BA as a faction, i just don't think they are really that different from the other chapters. Also, there's still that dream about a superheavy jump tank :-)

I think it was your use of the word 'snowflake'. Kind of makes you sound a bit of a tit.

 streetsamurai wrote:

If they also relase updated slaanesh fiends, i'll have to sell a few organs.

Oh yes. I managed to get a couple of the really old models, but I'm desperate for more. There's no way I can afford them at the price they are now for the single models. If they did some updated plastic Fiends....

UltraPrime wrote:
I think it was your use of the word 'snowflake'. Kind of makes you sound a bit of a tit.

Maybe so. I honestly do think that all loyalist space marines except grey knights are pretty much the same and the whole difference boils down to some unique snowflake units and chapter tactics. Which is fine, it's enough to personalize your army, but they are still close enough to each other to warrant just one dex.

 Fayric wrote:
New BA box?
Death company terminators... with jump packs!
Thats how gw fix the bloodangels, the other rules stay the same.

BA are lacking in a Terminator armored kit/unit. Give them say Sanguinary Knights, a TDA armored bodyguard to accompany the Jump Pack equipped Sanguinary Guard.
Space wolves could really use a Dreadnought/Bjorn kit, and GK could probably benefit from a GK specific Dreadnought kit as well.
After that, all the variant codices will have at least one power armored kit, one dreadnought, and one TDA kit.
BA and GK could use a FA gunship flier of their own, since Vanilla MArines have the Storm Talon and Dark Angels have the Nephillim.
Space Wolves could use a flier period.
Hunter and Stalker will likely make their way into the other Marine codices. They are simple enough design and in the fluff long enough for it to make sense.


But back to Daemons.
I'm still going to stand by my guess of 3 kits: Bloodthirster/Skarbrand, GUO/Kugath, and 3-pack of Fiends as a wave.

Has no one considered that this just might come directly after the orks release and take the fantasy release slot? I could see them just throwing a daemons release out there with some new supplement for fantasy and a 40k apocalypse warzone and being done with fantasy for another month while they focus on 40k for 3 months in a row.

NickOnwezen wrote:
Has no one considered that this just might come directly after the orks release and take the fantasy release slot? I could see them just throwing a daemons release out there with some new supplement for fantasy and a 40k apocalypse warzone and being done with fantasy for another month while they focus on 40k for 3 months in a row.

There is also IA13 due some time in summer/fall which focuses on Chaos - renegades and vehicles, apparently, but it could be part of a tie-in for the Daemons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new? Blood Angels already have plastic Death Company and Elite Elite Assault Squads, plus a plastic Baal Predator. What's next? A special Blood Angel-only aircraft? What between the BA model line and the regular plastic Marine line are you currently missing? Or do you think GW would use this release to convert general Marine releases over to plastic (like the Thunderfire Cannon or a Techmarine/Servitor box)?

They'll get a super-heavy flying transport assault vehicle that can deep-strike and allows anything you have in reserves (yes everything, they won't FAQ it to specify what units are applicable so dreadnoughts, titans, other flyers are a go) to deep-strike under it without scattering. It comes armed with a heavy stubber and costs 200 points and $140. Pre-order and you'll get a limited addition flyer-stand that's shaped like a raised middle finger.

I'm finding all of this "info" on a Daemon wave surprising.

I'm hearing nothing on Daemons or on Blood Angels right now.

All the chatter I'm getting is about Dark Eldar and some Chaos Supplement and both of those are not for a while yet.

Puscifer wrote:
I'm finding all of this "info" on a Daemon wave surprising.

I'm hearing nothing on Daemons or on Blood Angels right now.

All the chatter I'm getting is about Dark Eldar and some Chaos Supplement and both of those are not for a while yet.

Please, please share!

Puscifer wrote:
I'm finding all of this "info" on a Daemon wave surprising.

I'm hearing nothing on Daemons or on Blood Angels right now.

All the chatter I'm getting is about Dark Eldar and some Chaos Supplement and both of those are not for a while yet.

Hang on,

Chaos Supplement? Rumours of Daemons release without book support?

Call me crazy......

well, Hasting, who is pretty much a rumour god, has said that something big and nurgley is coming soon.

So, to sum it up, we have rumours of some additional Demons, an upcoming DE release and some of the SoB product line has been vanishing so maybe they finally get some new models too (probably on the day when all the primarchs return and Big E stands up from his golden chair to have a drink with Abbadon). Then there is this sanctus reach video, that may or may not herald more ork kits, another knight or just a single book without any models whatsoever.
Lot's of noise in the air but not many leaks.

Hmm salty lol. Most likely to be 4 week release window if they're doing Greater Daemons. I think it'd be cool if they throw in bitz to do the character Daemons from the Codex/Armies books.

Hastings also specified that the big Nurglish thing is NOT a Great Unclean One and is actually bigger than that.

Yeah, it's a rumor but if it's true I'll have more time to save money for the Blood Angel rumor. Happy me.

Avian wrote:
Hastings also specified that the big Nurglish thing is NOT a Great Unclean One and is actually bigger than that.

plague Tower/Catapult?

Why release a new kit when there are things in the book that need massive updates, especially with the new 40k rules and the potential to summon daemons or become possessed?

Really hope the new GD are on the 120 x 90 bases. It would make sense considering the size of some fantasy monsters.

I really hope it isn't a plague tower, if it needs to be a bigger daemon perhaps they'll be "exalted" and be LOW units.

Because GW are risk-averse, and it is less risky to release a model nobody has with new rules than re-design an existing unit where some may decide they prefer their existing models/that the new ones aren't sufficiently better to be worth buying.

I'm convinced this is the underlying reason why we rarely get resculpts, despite the many ageing models in the range that could use it, unless there is a transition into a new medium, in which case that's bringing a whole bunch of benefits to GW anyway.

Considering the "big Nurgle" rumour, could it be a Palanquin plastic kit, possibly with a chariot dual-build?

It's a gap in the range, it would be bigger than a GUO (no great achievement, the existing GUO is tiny remember) and would bring in a new unit.

I'll agree there,

there's no real chance of anything with a plastic unit being redone unless it becomes a dual build with something either existing (which just saves shelf space but is worth it for a company because of that) or something new

For the most part all the Daemon plastics are pretty good. Most of it just comes down to taste.

Some kind of Palanquin would be nice. Just please no apocalypse/LoW Plague Tower.

The GD really do need an update, they don't really fit the range at all anymore. I'd love them to re-release them on the larger bases and give them a boost in Stats. Strength 6 Bloodthirsters are a crime!

Assuming GW are still in money grab mode, which is a safe assumption if ever there was one, my first thought would be a chaos version of the Knight.

It was an obvious omission from the initial launch, rules and a suitable nurgly model can be knocked up quickly and with minimum expense given the base model 3D file already exists.

NoggintheNog wrote:
Assuming GW are still in money grab mode...

A business trying to make money. Oh no!!!!!!!! Some people should really think before throwing this tired, tired meme around.

Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

They'd be better off going down a generic road with different face/armour plates for each god. Even more rotten examples could easily be converted.

As nice as a Chaos Knight would be it would be nice if Chaos could get something of their own rather than just corrupted Imperial tech.

I might regret that if we get Lord of Skulls Mk. 2.

I really want Formations for Chaos Daemons so I will keep up hope for a "Summoning" formation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

UltraPrime wrote:

NoggintheNog wrote:
Assuming GW are still in money grab mode...

A business trying to make money. Oh no!!!!!!!! Some people should really think before throwing this tired, tired meme around.

Implying that the problem is GW's desire to make money, rather than delivering great product...

*Tips hat*

Verily!

 azreal13 wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

And there is lots of people not liking GW kits untill they see one in person, painted up in a striking sheme.
Lots of kits grow on you if you take the care to build and paint it as your own. Not all kits though....
Monopose is far worse than most design choises GW do. The new-ish helbrute is a great example of this -it loocked great at first, but the lack of poses made it incredibly boring.

 azreal13 wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

Yes, of course, it MUST be that GW have some sort of control over customers who slavishly buy everything rather than the possibility that they like models you don't and looks are subjective...

That doesn't have much to do with what he was saying Steve.

Well this thread spiraled off rapidly...

Daemons could certainly use a couple resculpts and rumors of new greater daemons have been persisting for a while. I wonder if/when they are released they will suffer from the daemon prince problem. That is the models were made a while back and just sat, then when they come out they don't match the detail level of other existing kits?

 Steve steveson wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

You know what I do when GW brings out something I don't want. I don't buy it. It's as simple as that, sunshine.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a number of customers who, when GW brings out something they don't like, just buy two.



Miladdo.

Yes, of course, it MUST be that GW have some sort of control over customers who slavishly buy everything rather than the possibility that they like models you don't and looks are subjective...

Yeah, way to miss my point.

I'm talking about people, who with no hint of irony, will declare their hatred for a new sculpt based on leaked pics, and then, sometimes in the same post, will bargain with themselves into "only purchasing x." These are often, but not always, the same people who will declare that if you did "x,y or z" to the new, hated, kit, then it wouldn't be too bad. Often where "x,y or z" requires such a shopping list of bits from other kits that the only economical way of obtaining them is to buy the kits for those models too.

It isn't the same offender in every thread, because people get passionate about different factions, obviously, but more often than not, there will be at least one, who will often trigger others to join in. The "abused spouse" metaphor is an often used and poor one, but there are definitely those people within GW's customer base who will jump through hoops to justify buying the latest thing, whether they actually like it or not.

I'd never say someone shouldn't buy a model if they like it, even if I, or the majority of other people, think its a poor kit/sculpt, the people I was referring to often seem to buy the stuff, irrespective of whether they like it or not.

EDIT: With the danger of perhaps slightly illustrating Azreal's point...

I think the Daemon prince kit problem was that it replaced a stunning metal miniature.

It's not really that bad IMHO. Some of the faces and weapons leave a lot to be desired but overall I think it's a nice kit. I think the paintjob helps.



The difference being that we had actually seen the plastic daemon prince long before it was released as there were mold problems IIRC. We haven't even had a hint of any GD kit and I doubt that GW would sit on it if it was ready to go.

stormboy wrote:
Well this thread spiraled off rapidly...

Daemons could certainly use a couple resculpts and rumors of new greater daemons have been persisting for a while. I wonder if/when they are released they will suffer from the daemon prince problem. That is the models were made a while back and just sat, then when they come out they don't match the detail level of other existing kits?

The only thing stoping plastic GDs being consigned to the same metaphorical bin as plastic Sisters, Warnounds and THawks is that Harry (or possibly Hastings) has actually claimed to see evidence of them in person.

Of course, this new "big Nurgle" thing could have been what was mistaken for a GUO, and the rest of it could all just be folklore.

I don't know:

A lot of the greater daemon models are currently Finecast, So its entirely possible that they would have a large demon release if they are switching all the Finecast models to Plastic ones.

Also if they are really pushing Demons, like the 7th ed demonology rules would suggest, then it would make sense that they would come out with additional support for them.

All in all, I agree to take it with a grain of salt, but It seems reasonable to me.

 Medium of Death wrote:
EDIT: With the danger of perhaps slightly illustrating Azreal's point...

I think the Daemon prince kit problem was that it replaced a stunning metal miniature.

It's not really that bad IMHO. Some of the faces and weapons leave a lot to be desire but overall I think it's a nice kit. I think the paintjob helps.

Spoiler:

The difference being that we had actually seen the plastic daemon prince long before it was released as there were mold problems IIRC. We haven't even had a hint of any GD kit and I doubt that GW would sit on it if it was ready to go.

I actually dislike that mini so much (most of it stemming from the head options) that I ultimately plan to have 12 Daemon Princes, 3 for each god, and none of them will be using that model. Every one will be an individual mini from a 3rd party, the only bit that I've used/will use are the wings, which I've picked up from bits sellers as I've needed them.

I know what you mean. I've got better options for any future princes that I already own and I don't see myself buying that kit anytime soon.

I still think it's OK for a basic catch all kit.

.. We finished this little diversion ... yes ..? Good.

the problem with the daemon prince kit are the heads, which are atrociously goofy looking. If you use the head that come in the spawn kit, you can make some really cool looking dp

Does anybody have that quote or rumour from ages ago that said Jes was working on some GD, perhaps the Bloodthirster? Think it was around the time of the last Daemon release or perhaps the one before the codex with flamers and screamers. Not sure if it will be that worthwhile adding given the quote about the Sisters during the 2010 Dark Eldar release.

Somebody get down to that open day and ask the hard questions!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speak for yourself sunshine. You think the "business trying to make money" line isn't just as disingenuous and useless as the post you quoted?

QFT


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 Fayric wrote:

And there is lots of people not liking GW kits untill they see one in person, painted up in a striking sheme.
Lots of kits grow on you if you take the care to build and paint it as your own. Not all kits though....
Monopose is far worse than most design choises GW do. The new-ish helbrute is a great example of this -it loocked great at first, but the lack of poses made it incredibly boring.

Hey, I like the new Helbrute. They had a huge amount of weapons options to fit onto a single kit, and provided additional head and bits options to boot. Besides, you can get a Dark Vengeance Helbrute, too. I don't see this as an issue worth focusing on, at least not in light of other similar issues.


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 Medium of Death wrote:
Does anybody have that quote or rumour from ages ago that said Jes was working on some GD, perhaps the Bloodthirster? Think it was around the time of the last Daemon release or perhaps the one before the codex with flamers and screamers. Not sure if it will be that worthwhile adding given the quote about the Sisters during the 2010 Dark Eldar release.

Somebody get down to that open day and ask the hard questions!

Well we know that Jes was working on Eldar jetbikes before the Eldar update, and we also know that since then he's shelved the concept model. It seems he makes a few models and only some make the cut. Since 2012, most of the daemon range needed an update, I can understand failing to update everything. I just think that they should be able to do second waves for armies again. Let's look at any model releases we've seen in the last 2 years outside of the codex updates...

CSM/DA in the starter box, Space Marines, Necrons, and Chaos Space Marines got models for Apocalypse... Am I missing anything? Ah, wait. The Helbrute. Of course. Although it was just one kit, it does show that GW hasn't developed any policy against model releases for their own sakes. Then again, it was pushed out with the Crimson Slaughter supplement. We've seen a few space marine models that Games Workshop has released for its website and one to promote a box set... All clearly special occasions that GW marked with their poster children.

What the track record says is that if we're expecting new Daemon models, we're also going to see some kind of new book. Codex, Campaign, War Zone, Supplement, or otherwise.

UltraPrime wrote:

NoggintheNog wrote:
Assuming GW are still in money grab mode...

A business trying to make money. Oh no!!!!!!!! Some people should really think before throwing this tired, tired meme around.

From the internet, I learned that "meme" means "idea I dislike".

The latest version of this rumor also says plastic plague marines with terminator bits. That would be really nice.

Kugaath and palanquin kit you say?

Nurgle lacks a chariot unit, and a heavy support unit (at least one that comes Nurgle flavoured like the Skull Cannon, Burning Chariot or Hellflayer) so that would be my first guess (pure speculation) but a Palanquin kit is a very solid guess too.

Does the orks vs wolves box shown in the WD cover leak mean the rumour mongers here need a false ?

or do we need to wait and see whats in the week after that?

It's one week's worth, and is at least still partially Ork-ish, so I'd say not yet.

Maybe a palanquin with either a Herald or a plague mortar crewed by nurglings!! I'd buy that for a dollar.

I'd like to hope this "upcoming Nurgle release" would be a Palanquin / Ku'gath duel kit, or:

bubber wrote:[..]a plague mortar crewed by nurglings!!

I would be all over that, the artillery piece nicked off the tower of a Plague Tower. Daemons don't have any artillery (as far as I am aware) so that would be cool.

It has to been new Greaqter Daemon models.

Seriously those old things look like complete ass.

And when is this thing going to be replaced?



It looks like a nightmare and not in a good way.

So 'next release after orks' is looking pretty unlikely. Chalk another one up for the 'making crap up for clicks' theory of rumor mongering.

I'm sure GW will eventually present us with those sweet, sweet GD. We'll just need to wait... and wait... and wait...

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 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm sure GW will eventually present us with those sweet, sweet GD. We'll just need to wait... and wait... and wait...

skeletonatadesk.jpg

The way it's going, those Greater Daemon plastics will be in a head-to-head race with GRR Martin's final two GoT books.

Yup. It's been how long since the current Greater Daemons were released? A decade? It's like the track record says they're never going to be updated, and yet they have to be. It's only a matter of time, right? Unless releasing 4 monstrous creatures for a single release is too daunting for Games Workshop, in which case the current greater daemons may hilariously remain the official models forever.


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Or another thing they could do is only update half of them and then wait 4 more years before updating the other two. In such an event, my money's on the Bloodthirster and GUO to get the priority.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm sure GW will eventually present us with those sweet, sweet GD. We'll just need to wait... and wait... and wait...

skeletonatadesk.jpg

The problem is, the longer GW waits, the more players will start going to the competition.

Creature Caster's new kits seem borderline copyright infringement at times but dang are those models beautiful. Their KoS is spot on the best version I have ever seen, pulling elements from the classic KoS and upsizing the whole thing, and making is just plain menacing. Ultraforge already sells a far superior BT and LoC model, and they used to have a superior GUO. For my money, Kromlech's Butcher demon is a great GUO stand-in, even if the model looks radically different (maybe better suited as a Nurgle DP). I personally waited and waited for a new BT (hate the doofy buck-toothed dog head and the angry Lamusa version too), and finally broke down and ordered the Ultraforge Greater Wardemon.

Yeah I don't get GW.

They wait and wait and wait and then other companies run rings round them with superior models.

Doesn't make sense.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I'm sure GW will eventually present us with those sweet, sweet GD. We'll just need to wait... and wait... and wait...

skeletonatadesk.jpg

The problem is, the longer GW waits, the more players will start going to the competition.

Creature Caster's new kits seem borderline copyright infringement at times but dang are those models beautiful. Their KoS is spot on the best version I have ever seen, pulling elements from the classic KoS and upsizing the whole thing, and making is just plain menacing. Ultraforge already sells a far superior BT and LoC model, and they used to have a superior GUO. For my money, Kromlech's Butcher demon is a great GUO stand-in, even if the model looks radically different (maybe better suited as a Nurgle DP). I personally waited and waited for a new BT (hate the doofy buck-toothed dog head and the angry Lamusa version too), and finally broke down and ordered the Ultraforge Greater Wardemon.

I made the mistake of mentioning that the Creature Caster Demons bore more than a passing resemblance to GW stuff, only to be hastily corrected by Jeremy that they are based on D&D concepts and that I should learn my history...

So don't dare suggest that they look like GW stuff because they definitely do not and nobody backing that project is going to use them for their Greater Daemons

Blood Angels are the next release! anything else you hear are lies! Trust me I have an insider

Do we really want GW to resculpt the Greater Daemons after what they did with Daemon Princes?

Archo wrote:
Blood Angels are the next release! anything else you hear are lies! Trust me I have an insider

Is this insider the same one who told you that 6th Edition would land before July?

Which, admittedly it did.

By a week.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Do we really want GW to resculpt the Greater Daemons after what they did with Daemon Princes?

I wouldn't be surprised if GW does more than resculpt them. The new greater daemons I bet are gonna be bigger, like what happens with the carnifex. If they're making the jump to plastic they'll want every last daemon players older minis that much harder to use.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Do we really want GW to resculpt the Greater Daemons after what they did with Daemon Princes?

Except the lord of Change, you really can't get worse than the current models. If they make a Bloodthirster that is only as good as the plastic balrog from some years back, it would be in immense improvement over the current model.

Archo wrote:
Blood Angels are the next release! anything else you hear are lies! Trust me I have an insider

And already wrong...

 pretre wrote:

Archo wrote:
Blood Angels are the next release! anything else you hear are lies! Trust me I have an insider

And already wrong...

Yeah Sanctus Reach, Space Wolves and Planetstrike kinda happened...

 pretre wrote:
And already wrong...

I hear 8th Ed 40K is next. Huge changes coming!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And already wrong...

I hear 8th Ed 40K is next. Huge changes coming!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
And already wrong...

I hear 8th Ed 40K is next. Huge changes coming!

By next, do you mean 'in the future'? Cause that's a given

Well according to everyone's favorite fanboy/fansite (aka BOLS) September is a "black hole" and GW has "something big planned" that's TOP SECRET. (9th edition Fantasy?)

big planned top secret- they release space hulk again..

If there is another demon wave I predict a nurgle LoW option.

I wouldn't be suprised if all the chaos GD characters end up lords of war, possibly with their own supplement. Wouldn't be suprised if kugath on palanquin came first either.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I wouldn't be suprised if all the chaos GD characters end up lords of war, possibly with their own supplement. Wouldn't be suprised if kugath on palanquin came first either.

We already have one set of greater daemons that are Lords of War.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Well according to everyone's favorite fanboy/fansite (aka BOLS) September is a "black hole" and GW has "something big planned" that's TOP SECRET. (9th edition Fantasy?)

I'd hope it would be a bit more interesting than that.

top secret in the past has often meant a specialist game they re released like space hulk or dreadfleet(was kind of like man o war i guess...)

Nah,

top secret could mean anything including a data slate for something dull and predictable

everything is top secret up to the WD street date 1 week before preorders go live

 dan2026 wrote:
Yeah I don't get GW.

They wait and wait and wait and then other companies run rings round them with superior models.

Doesn't make sense.

Makes more sense when you try to find any alternative products in a GW hobbystore. Truth be told, I've never seen any wargaming stuff sold in retail shops anywhere, except GW stores. Sure, anyone with more than two brain cells can look up stuff on the internet now, but lil Timmy out there will probalby still see his firts models in GW storefront, and there won't be any competition for the old uglies there. Chalk it up to another round of "GW slept through the internet age".

WayneTheGame wrote:
Well according to everyone's favorite fanboy/fansite (aka BOLS) September is a "black hole" and GW has "something big planned" that's TOP SECRET. (9th edition Fantasy?)

That's some really strong invented rumor writing. "SOMETHING" is coming in September!

Obviously the bloggers have learned a thing or two from the "Inquisition game" rumors from 2013.

It's utterly ridiculous and out dated thinking.

We don't have "months" anymore, we have weeks, and of course September is a black hole, we don't know what's due in two weeks with any certainty at point of writing.

The "mystery autumn box" rumour gets wheeled out every year around this time, and comes to nothing almost as regularly.

blaktoof wrote:
big planned top secret- they release space hulk again..

If there is another demon wave I predict a nurgle LoW option.

Spehss 'Ulk!
The game of Orks vs everyone else in a 'ulk.

 Gitzbitah wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
big planned top secret- they release space hulk again..

If there is another demon wave I predict a nurgle LoW option.

Spehss 'Ulk!
The game of Orks vs everyone else in a 'ulk.

Hey, that's not a bad line of thinking. For my (nonexistent) rumors blog, I think I'll expand it a little and tie it back to the past.


- In September, GW will release Darkside, the long-awaited space combat/boarding action supplement for 40K. Included are rules for breaching starships, fighting in zero-G and vacuums, special equipment for every major faction, and guidelines for tying Darkside games into games of Battlefleet Gothic. Associated miniature kits include a plastic Dreadclaw and new plastic spaceship corridors that can also be used for Space Hulk or Zone Mortalis games.


Is that a winning invented rumor or what?

Sshh don't tell everyone about "dreadspace" at least you didn't mention the space zombie mutants.

Guys! Please!

While I'm aware of the irony of posting this and what it might do to others, every time I see this thread bounce to the top I get hopeful, and if it's not news, but is at least some daemons related discussion, I'm disappointed but I can deal.

But if it's pointless stuff about things that aren't related to daemons, it makes my yellow triangle finger itch...

I'll reword the title of the thread to accurately display the original rumor. It was originally rumored that the daemon wave would be towards the end of summer, so that's my fault.

Though the newest rumor from Larry Vela at Bols (add tons of salt) is saying the daemon stuff will be out in August.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/07/gw-rumors-summer-schedule-fasten-your.html?m=1

Guess what's missing from the next 2 month GW schedule that's doing the rounds?



The latest scuttlebutt schedule looks like this taking us into September:

July
Stormclaw Box Set (Orks vs Space Wolves)
Terrain week (remember those new Realm of Battle urban tiles)
Space Wolves (with codex)

August
Chaos (4 week release window, taking up all month)
-Nurgle big kit
-Plastic Plague marines
-More stuff, with no specific word on 40k vs WFb, or even CSM vs Daemons...

September
All rumors fall into the black hole of September.  GW has something "big and secret" in there for all their fans.

See what's not listed in there?  Here's a hint - it involves the Lady of the Lake...

Awww, why'd it have to be fething Vela...

Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (125 TRUE) / (239 FALSE) / (14 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

and falling....

I know, but we can hope. I figured I'd share the info here so more people don't give bols the hits lol.

Dont intend on playing 40k in the near future, but a nurgle marine box, giggity, and possibly more plastic chaos marine kits, double giggity

September
All rumors fall into the black hole of September. GW has something "big and secret" in there for all their fans.

I hope it's a price increase!

 Kirasu wrote:

September
All rumors fall into the black hole of September. GW has something "big and secret" in there for all their fans.

I hope it's a price increase!

We demand higher prices!

 azreal13 wrote:
It's utterly ridiculous and out dated thinking.

We don't have "months" anymore, we have weeks, and of course September is a black hole, we don't know what's due in two weeks with any certainty at point of writing.

The "mystery autumn box" rumour gets wheeled out every year around this time, and comes to nothing almost as regularly.

Inquisition game!
Blood bowl is back!
Plastic SoB! For reals this time!
The return of Epic!

Did I miss any?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did I miss any?

Plastic Cadians.
8th Ed 40K.

 gorgon wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
big planned top secret- they release space hulk again..

If there is another demon wave I predict a nurgle LoW option.

Spehss 'Ulk!
The game of Orks vs everyone else in a 'ulk.

Hey, that's not a bad line of thinking. For my (nonexistent) rumors blog, I think I'll expand it a little and tie it back to the past.


- In September, GW will release Darkside, the long-awaited space combat/boarding action supplement for 40K. Included are rules for breaching starships, fighting in zero-G and vacuums, special equipment for every major faction, and guidelines for tying Darkside games into games of Battlefleet Gothic. Associated miniature kits include a plastic Dreadclaw and new plastic spaceship corridors that can also be used for Space Hulk or Zone Mortalis games.


Is that a winning invented rumor or what?

I herd the starting box will have plastic SoBs vs Genestealer cults!


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did I miss any?

Plastic Cadians.
8th Ed 40K.

Pah, even I have given up on ever getting plastic Cadians!

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, won't be fooled again!

I wouldn't be surprised for a Chaos Daemons Formation coming along with new plastic kits for Greater Daemons simply as they probably really want to ram Maledic down peoples throats.

Hollismason wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised for a Chaos Daemons Formation coming along with new plastic kits for Greater Daemons simply as they probably really want to ram Maledic down peoples throats.

i hope you're right, I'd really love to see some demon love, especially the GDs... hope the formations aren't suckballs awful.

If we do get formations I won't be surprised to see there be a dedicated summoning one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Did I miss any?

Plastic Cadians.
8th Ed 40K.

Dreadfleet and Squats.

when it comes to formations, just give me the bloodcourt or whatever it is. Angron + bloodthirsters then I'll be happy!!

The Daemon Primarchs will never become a unit in 40k.

They're too powerful to be anything shy of a LoW.

Even then, there are how many of them? 6? 7? That's 7 LoW kits for the Chaos Space Marines. That could only ever come from Forgeworld, and even if it does it'll be 30k only.

By the way, what's a plague tower?

Actually Angron (at least) used to have 40K rules, but no model. Although admittedly for Apoc at the time, that line has been almost entirely erased now.

The Plague Tower was a war engine from the old Epic days, much like the model that "inspired" that recent Khorne Invalid Carriage Of Death™

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
It's utterly ridiculous and out dated thinking.

We don't have "months" anymore, we have weeks, and of course September is a black hole, we don't know what's due in two weeks with any certainty at point of writing.

The "mystery autumn box" rumour gets wheeled out every year around this time, and comes to nothing almost as regularly.

Inquisition game!
Blood bowl is back!
Plastic SoB! For reals this time!
The return of Epic!

Did I miss any?

Yeah, Warhammer Quest and BFG...

actually, if they wanted to make sure they made 100% sales on their super-secret september surprise, they could do another limited release of Space Hulk....this time with Ultra Marines or Deathwing Terminators.

Necromunda and/or Mordheim would sell almost as well.

Back on topic though, I certainly hope we do get to see some new plastic versions of the Greater Daemons...the beasts are sorely needed in plastic as well (beasts of Nurgle/Slaanesh, Khorne doggies, etc). Finally, plastic furies and harpies (possible combo box opportunity here?) would be very cool.