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I don't see this happening,

or at least not as the 'next' 40K release

Far more likely we'll get the books that didn't get 6th edition versions as they really do look to be pushing to get everything up to date

then it's when it gets complicated, new stuff?, models without books? re-do of the 6th edition stuff or maybe even an attempt to re-start fantasy

If demons are more powerful right now then they probably will sell these next. They are after money NOT completion.

Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new? Blood Angels already have plastic Death Company and Elite Elite Assault Squads, plus a plastic Baal Predator. What's next? A special Blood Angel-only aircraft? What between the BA model line and the regular plastic Marine line are you currently missing? Or do you think GW would use this release to convert general Marine releases over to plastic (like the Thunderfire Cannon or a Techmarine/Servitor box)?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new? Blood Angels already have plastic Death Company and Elite Elite Assault Squads, plus a plastic Baal Predator. What's next? A special Blood Angel-only aircraft? What between the BA model line and the regular plastic Marine line are you currently missing? Or do you think GW would use this release to convert general Marine releases over to plastic (like the Thunderfire Cannon or a Techmarine/Servitor box)?

Good question.

In a Perfect World, I'd want GW to do an Assault Marine update a la the Tac Squad box we got with the SM codex. 10 guys, plenty of Sergeant options, a whole bunch of individual parts. The old Tac squad was great, the new one is even better, and a 10-man Assault Marine box would be awesome.

I''d kind of like to see a Dreadnought Character rules-wise (Moriar?) but that could be done with the DC Dread kit.

Ah, a guy can dream. We'll probably get a Blood-Naught-Knight not-quite-super-heavy-jump-Walker. Now with 900% more skulls. And it transforms into a Land Raider, because why not?

It would be a 5-man box. Jump infantry always have been, and can't see a replacement box adding more models.

UltraPrime wrote:
It would be a 5-man box. Jump infantry always have been, and can't see a replacement box adding more models.

Yeah, I know. It would be nice though, as Assault Marines fill the same role as Tac squads in a BA army (main line troops), to have a 10 man box. Even at £30, it would be less prohibitively expensive than the current £40 of boring sculpts would run you (And the old jump packs aren't stellar fit-wise).

A new Assault Squad box is a good idea, and something I could see them doing. Still, it'd be a 5-man box at next to double the cost of the current box.

And I forgot about the Furioso/Death Company/Librarian Dread as well. Seems there's nothing the BA's don't have.


So yeah, super-oval base walker thingy + new aircraft. No! A super-walker thingy that turns into an air-craft. A Blood Angel LAM, as it were.

BA having all their stuff in plastic is ideal, as it lets GW put out a new kit or 4,

Lots of new rules, and stuff for all the other Marine Armies to envy and demand in their next codex

plus a short term boost to BA sales while they are the only lot to have them as they become ally of choice

There's always the ancient character sculpts to revisit..

Not that they've been that keen on releasing stuff you might choose to buy to replace what you already have when they can release some new, fluff raping, über unit instead. (Or just some lame, half assed attempt like the Nephilim)

Why is Vela's credibility questionable? doesn't he own the most successful rumour mill in 40k?

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Why is Vela's credibility questionable? doesn't he own the most successful rumour mill in 40k?

Not even close.

BoLS is basically a loud repeater of stuff that's already out there.

Can't be a rumor mill if you don't mill some of your own stuff.

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

Then GeeDub doesn't have to make anything new, to sell new stuff to players.

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

If you're trying to get a rise out of me with that comment (I honestly don't know) you're barking up the wrong tree.

As far as I'm concerned all SM and CSM should be in their respective Tomes of Knowledge. There's no reason that multiple Chapters/Legions couldn't be properly represented if given space.

I've been a BA player since the first 40k Rulebook was released and would be just fine with a BA section in the main SM book as long as I had access to all their toys.

If they are to be kept separate and given and large oval or another special unit.... I have no idea what they would get. Maybe a giant robot angel piloted by a Blood Angel with a spear and the new rule Flying Walker.

Just about any Gundam Zero Custom would do.

New BA box?
Death company terminators... with jump packs!
Thats how gw fix the bloodangels, the other rules stay the same.

 Fayric wrote:
New BA box? Death company terminators... with jump packs!

In before the "That's a waste of TDA/They'd never do that!" crowd.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Red_Butchers#.U53jHdhOUdU

 Acardia wrote:
Welp. As a fantasy player I wouldn't mind a few new GD models. (Fateweaver and KOS) I really like my converted GUO and LoC. the current thirster is solid.

That being said plastic fiends and beasts would be welcome.

Some new rules or adjustments could be useful as well to improve the DoC book.

People use Fiends??

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

If you're trying to get a rise out of me with that comment (I honestly don't know) you're barking up the wrong tree.

As far as I'm concerned all SM and CSM should be in their respective Tomes of Knowledge. There's no reason that multiple Chapters/Legions couldn't be properly represented if given space.

I've been a BA player since the first 40k Rulebook was released and would be just fine with a BA section in the main SM book as long as I had access to all their toys.

If they are to be kept separate and given and large oval or another special unit.... I have no idea what they would get. Maybe a giant robot angel piloted by a Blood Angel with a spear and the new rule Flying Walker.

Just about any Gundam Zero Custom would do.

I didn't try to rise anyone out of anything. Just saying that BA could be well represented in the regular SM codex. Add some chapter-restricted stuff like death company and baal predators, their unique chapter tactic and you're good. GW missed an oportunity when they squashed the black templers and left BA and SW out as non-codex armies. I'm not against BA as a faction, i just don't think they are really that different from the other chapters. Also, there's still that dream about a superheavy jump tank :-)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new?

I'd like a flying transport that isn't a death coffin unless you're TH/SS terminators.

I'd like a mildly affordable assault vehicle. Since we are the "the assault-i-est" of the Space Marines I'm constantly amazed that orks and dark eldar get better assault transports than we do.

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

As for BA, it's pretty simple for the "new models".... just give them access to everything in the SM Codex.

..thus making BA a regular SM army. Honestly, they could have put them in the book and given them access to their snowflake units just like the crussader squads for the BTs...

If you're trying to get a rise out of me with that comment (I honestly don't know) you're barking up the wrong tree.

As far as I'm concerned all SM and CSM should be in their respective Tomes of Knowledge. There's no reason that multiple Chapters/Legions couldn't be properly represented if given space.

I've been a BA player since the first 40k Rulebook was released and would be just fine with a BA section in the main SM book as long as I had access to all their toys.

If they are to be kept separate and given and large oval or another special unit.... I have no idea what they would get. Maybe a giant robot angel piloted by a Blood Angel with a spear and the new rule Flying Walker.

Just about any Gundam Zero Custom would do.

I didn't try to rise anyone out of anything. Just saying that BA could be well represented in the regular SM codex. Add some chapter-restricted stuff like death company and baal predators, their unique chapter tactic and you're good. GW missed an oportunity when they squashed the black templers and left BA and SW out as non-codex armies. I'm not against BA as a faction, i just don't think they are really that different from the other chapters. Also, there's still that dream about a superheavy jump tank :-)

I think it was your use of the word 'snowflake'. Kind of makes you sound a bit of a tit.

 streetsamurai wrote:

If they also relase updated slaanesh fiends, i'll have to sell a few organs.

Oh yes. I managed to get a couple of the really old models, but I'm desperate for more. There's no way I can afford them at the price they are now for the single models. If they did some updated plastic Fiends....

UltraPrime wrote:
I think it was your use of the word 'snowflake'. Kind of makes you sound a bit of a tit.

Maybe so. I honestly do think that all loyalist space marines except grey knights are pretty much the same and the whole difference boils down to some unique snowflake units and chapter tactics. Which is fine, it's enough to personalize your army, but they are still close enough to each other to warrant just one dex.

 Fayric wrote:
New BA box?
Death company terminators... with jump packs!
Thats how gw fix the bloodangels, the other rules stay the same.

BA are lacking in a Terminator armored kit/unit. Give them say Sanguinary Knights, a TDA armored bodyguard to accompany the Jump Pack equipped Sanguinary Guard.
Space wolves could really use a Dreadnought/Bjorn kit, and GK could probably benefit from a GK specific Dreadnought kit as well.
After that, all the variant codices will have at least one power armored kit, one dreadnought, and one TDA kit.
BA and GK could use a FA gunship flier of their own, since Vanilla MArines have the Storm Talon and Dark Angels have the Nephillim.
Space Wolves could use a flier period.
Hunter and Stalker will likely make their way into the other Marine codices. They are simple enough design and in the fluff long enough for it to make sense.


But back to Daemons.
I'm still going to stand by my guess of 3 kits: Bloodthirster/Skarbrand, GUO/Kugath, and 3-pack of Fiends as a wave.

Has no one considered that this just might come directly after the orks release and take the fantasy release slot? I could see them just throwing a daemons release out there with some new supplement for fantasy and a 40k apocalypse warzone and being done with fantasy for another month while they focus on 40k for 3 months in a row.

NickOnwezen wrote:
Has no one considered that this just might come directly after the orks release and take the fantasy release slot? I could see them just throwing a daemons release out there with some new supplement for fantasy and a 40k apocalypse warzone and being done with fantasy for another month while they focus on 40k for 3 months in a row.

There is also IA13 due some time in summer/fall which focuses on Chaos - renegades and vehicles, apparently, but it could be part of a tie-in for the Daemons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Question to those wanting a new Blood Angel Codex:

Considering that new releases are not based around rules but around new models, what would be new? Blood Angels already have plastic Death Company and Elite Elite Assault Squads, plus a plastic Baal Predator. What's next? A special Blood Angel-only aircraft? What between the BA model line and the regular plastic Marine line are you currently missing? Or do you think GW would use this release to convert general Marine releases over to plastic (like the Thunderfire Cannon or a Techmarine/Servitor box)?

They'll get a super-heavy flying transport assault vehicle that can deep-strike and allows anything you have in reserves (yes everything, they won't FAQ it to specify what units are applicable so dreadnoughts, titans, other flyers are a go) to deep-strike under it without scattering. It comes armed with a heavy stubber and costs 200 points and $140. Pre-order and you'll get a limited addition flyer-stand that's shaped like a raised middle finger.

I'm finding all of this "info" on a Daemon wave surprising.

I'm hearing nothing on Daemons or on Blood Angels right now.

All the chatter I'm getting is about Dark Eldar and some Chaos Supplement and both of those are not for a while yet.

Puscifer wrote:
I'm finding all of this "info" on a Daemon wave surprising.

I'm hearing nothing on Daemons or on Blood Angels right now.

All the chatter I'm getting is about Dark Eldar and some Chaos Supplement and both of those are not for a while yet.

Please, please share!

Puscifer wrote:
I'm finding all of this "info" on a Daemon wave surprising.

I'm hearing nothing on Daemons or on Blood Angels right now.

All the chatter I'm getting is about Dark Eldar and some Chaos Supplement and both of those are not for a while yet.

Hang on,

Chaos Supplement? Rumours of Daemons release without book support?

Call me crazy......

well, Hasting, who is pretty much a rumour god, has said that something big and nurgley is coming soon.

So, to sum it up, we have rumours of some additional Demons, an upcoming DE release and some of the SoB product line has been vanishing so maybe they finally get some new models too (probably on the day when all the primarchs return and Big E stands up from his golden chair to have a drink with Abbadon). Then there is this sanctus reach video, that may or may not herald more ork kits, another knight or just a single book without any models whatsoever.
Lot's of noise in the air but not many leaks.