I've been thinking about this a lot..
All across the internet 1000's of articles are written about how 40k is broken and such a terrible game and I typically think to myself, shut up and quit then, because you are ruining my good time.

Well let's stay on point here...
We know what people don't like and think is broken..

Why don't we look at all the great things about this game, that obviously keep us coming back for more, has to offer. Things like..
Best Conversions we have seen..
Most exciting/closest game.
Craziest unlucky streak.
Best themed army.
Favorite army, race, story.
So many things

I doubt many will jump on this thread because there is nothing to fight about but all the games and stories and fantastic models are what have kept me playing these games for over 25 years and made it easy to look past the parts that are broken because at the end of the day, or should I say game, the good FAR outweighs the bad.
That's why I still play.

I love the fact its so open and easy to mess with. Just casually change whatever or build whatever and there will be a use for it. 40K is one of the few games I see where someone can get green stuff and a bunch of bits, make something and have a use for it while nobody is a pain about it.

Just the freedom to create and change at will is such a great thing about this game that its about the only thing keeping me playing. I can use a cool slug as my astropath and people will think its cool. Not many games really have this as all the other games I watch and play in generally have some unspoken agreement that you use the models for the unit. In 40k (for the most part) its take whatever do whatever.

Thats why I like it anyways. Its perfect for groups of friends who are casual.

I'm going to pre-empt things a little here and ask that people make an effort to stick to the topic. There is no need to bash those who hold a different opinion to your own - whichever side of the fence you find yourself on.

If you have something positive to contribute, go nuts.

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I have said a lot of bad things about the way things are going. I mean everyone always complains about pricing, but lately they left the normal realm and went into ridiculousness,.

But this is about the good:

I fell in love with this game/hobby almost 25 years ago. It combined my love of painting and assembling models, and playing games. I'd have a hard time thinking about not having 40k in my life since I started in junior high and it has been that long.

No matter what, if you enjoy the hobby, you can keep interested even if you play very little.
The background is great.The universe has depth.
Despite the horrible models GW does put out sometimes, there are probably more incredible ones than bad.
The game is never dull, it is open ended, and as a casual gamer, a lot of fun.
As a casual gamer, I can use rules that are not edition specific, so house rules win out over tourny rules if we don't like them.
If GW shut down, I would still be able to play. Forever. I don't need new rules every three years.
The fact you can try so many combinations, makes every game different and interesting.
You can easily make campaigns and scenarios.
The "hobby" has elevated to art for some people. It is amazing how good some of these people are at.
Every game can tell a story, I just find it more likely if not in a tourney.
Making scenery is also a blast.
It teaches you to view the world in miniature.
My kids see an old rusty water tower, and find beauty in the "weathering".

 Gorgrimm wrote:
I have said a lot of bad things about the way things are going. I mean everyone always complains about pricing, but lately they left the normal realm and went into ridiculousness,.

But this is about the good:

I fell in love with this game/hobby almost 25 years ago. It combined my love of painting and assembling models, and playing games. I'd have a hard time thinking about not having 40k in my life since I started in junior high and it has been that long.

No matter what, if you enjoy the hobby, you can keep interested even if you play very little.
The background is great.The universe has depth.
Despite the horrible models GW does put out sometimes, there are probably more incredible ones than bad.
The game is never dull, it is open ended, and as a casual gamer, a lot of fun.
As a casual gamer, I can use rules that are not edition specific, so house rules win out over tourny rules if we don't like them.
If GW shut down, I would still be able to play. Forever. I don't need new rules every three years.
The fact you can try so many combinations, makes every game different and interesting.
You can easily make campaigns and scenarios.
The "hobby" has elevated to art for some people. It is amazing how good some of these people are at.
Every game can tell a story, I just find it more likely if not in a tourney.
Making scenery is also a blast.
It teaches you to view the world in miniature.
My kids see an old rusty water tower, and find beauty in the "weathering".

This right here. This is why I play, this is why I love this game. Couldn't care less about how the game used to be, always better to focus on the now.

If more players had this mentality and better model pricing we could bring in dozens more players.


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 Throt wrote:
I've been thinking about this a lot..
All across the internet 1000's of articles are written about how 40k is broken and such a terrible game and I typically think to myself, shut up and quit then, because you are ruining my good time.

Well let's stay on point here...
We know what people don't like and think is broken..

Why don't we look at all the great things about this game, that obviously keep us coming back for more, has to offer. Things like..
Best Conversions we have seen..
Most exciting/closest game.
Craziest unlucky streak.
Best themed army.
Favorite army, race, story.
So many things

I doubt many will jump on this thread because there is nothing to fight about but all the games and stories and fantastic models are what have kept me playing these games for over 25 years and made it easy to look past the parts that are broken because at the end of the day, or should I say game, the good FAR outweighs the bad.
That's why I still play.

I play because I love the story and the models bring it to life for me. I also write campaigns and my own narratives for every fight so it gets me even more involved.

I love the background. It is crazy, grimdark fun and I love it.

I love the Imperial Guard because I love the idea of regular joes battling against impossible monsters to save humanity.

The good stuff! I guess I am enjoying it because of the friends I play with. Like minded enough that a Penitent Engine rolling 3 sixes for saves against quite a few star cannons is a hoot for laughter on both sides.

And the storyline behind each army is a joy to read. I find it easy to just pore over the fluff and story behind each of the units in any codex. I must admit I haven't tried looking up other games to compare the stories but somehow was never inspired by the overall story. By just a quick summary of the Age of Apostasy, it made me want to read more about what happened and so started my journey into playing 40k.


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The opportunity to re-enact great battles or to pretend that your game was a skirmish in a particular conflict makes the whole feelng more real and exciting. It's not like a chess game where each game doesn't have a fleshed out story.

The Shrine of Chaos.

OP, have all of the Exalts! This is the kind of thread worth having!

What makes 40k so great:

The community, from the in-depth discussions you get in tactics forums to the friendly, supportive and inspiring painting boards, there's a far larger community for 40k that almost any other game, so there's always people to discuss/debate with and offer and give ideas.

The models are awesome, and what you can do with them is equally great. There are some games with better models, even in plastic (Malifaux springs to mind, those minis are mindblowing), but the sheer potential for conversion and modelling/painting madness in 40k is unraivlalled. Just look at the dozens of great Inq28 blogs to see what I mean.

The rules are fine for what they are; they give you guidelines for telling a great story and having fun with your mates, which is ultimately what they set out to do. So no complaints here.

The background is thoroughly immersive, expansive and fascinating; I know I've read a lot of it, but there's always more to discover.

40k (and other miniature games, of course) is a lot of fun, both for the gaming aspect, and the painting/modeling etc.
It is just a great hobby.
The reason that there is so much negativity is a lot more about human nature than about problems with the game.
Take the news media for example. A good, uplifting story may get some airtime, but the bad stories seem to get a lot more.
Most of the 'problems' in 40k are things that can be easily 'house ruled' away. I realize they this is not so simple for tournament players, but, oh well. If you are going to do anything competitively, you are going to have to constantly adapt and improve.
Bottom line: people always have complained and they always will. Don't ever let it detract from your enjoyment of the hobby.

As others have said, the background is one of the best in science fiction, possibly the best (yes, I hold it over even Star Wars) and the Horus Heresy novels are just fantastic; I've read over twenty of them and am thrilled that Black Library continues to pump them out.

I love the minis. I don't care what anyone says, GW do make some of the best mass market minis available. Yes, they are not the cheapest, and yes you can get some very very nice high end minis from other small companies, but I love the look, the feel and the constant quality of the plastics they produce and the details of FWs minis is loverly. If only FW could improve QC. Some of the design choices have been a bit iffy, but as much as anything that is a personal choice.

I like the fact that you can now do what you want with rules to support it.

I love the background and that the background is a living growing thing, independent of the game, not simply something created to hang a rules set on.

I love when my opponent throws every melta and lascannon shot at my dread knight and I make half a dozen 5++ saves, then take four wounds to bolter fire and fail every single 2+ armor save.

The internet has a tendency to be all about the sky falling and inducing pessimism. Just try googling "I have a headache" and spend the next week worrying about how you probably have brain tumor.

The actual game is as it's always been. If you have a friendly community that suits you, you'll enjoy it. If your community is less-than-friendly or otherwise doesn't suit your preferences, you'll probably not enjoy it as much.

I still love the game. I love the various different combos you can do and the variety of army lists and playstyles on the table. The only things I dislike are Unbound lists and Lords of War in lower point games, but I'm lucky in that if I say I'm not interested in playing against that, I won't be looked down on.

 Gorgrimm wrote:
No matter what, if you enjoy the hobby, you can keep interested even if you play very little.
The background is great.The universe has depth.
Despite the horrible models GW does put out sometimes, there are probably more incredible ones than bad.
The game is never dull, it is open ended, and as a casual gamer, a lot of fun.
As a casual gamer, I can use rules that are not edition specific, so house rules win out over tourny rules if we don't like them.
If GW shut down, I would still be able to play. Forever. I don't need new rules every three years.
The fact you can try so many combinations, makes every game different and interesting.
You can easily make campaigns and scenarios.
The "hobby" has elevated to art for some people. It is amazing how good some of these people are at.
Every game can tell a story, I just find it more likely if not in a tourney.
Making scenery is also a blast.
It teaches you to view the world in miniature.
My kids see an old rusty water tower, and find beauty in the "weathering".

I was gonna type something up, but instead, I'll just give this an Exalt.

 Araenion wrote:
The internet has a tendency to be all about the sky falling and inducing pessimism. Just try googling "I have a headache" and spend the next week worrying about how you probably have brain tumor.

The actual game is as it's always been. If you have a friendly community that suits you, you'll enjoy it. If your community is less-than-friendly or otherwise doesn't suit your preferences, you'll probably not enjoy it as much.

I still love the game. I love the various different combos you can do and the variety of army lists and playstyles on the table. The only things I dislike are Unbound lists and Lords of War in lower point games, but I'm lucky in that if I say I'm not interested in playing against that, I won't be looked down on.

I agree with this. To the OP, I dare you to say anything positive here and not get dogpiled by mass negativity...

This is dakka, you will never find a more wretched hive of disgruntled complainers.

Sadly I don't have much good to say about the game itself, it feels like it was written by a bunch of monkeys.

40k in general, I love the background and the armies. I also like the aesthetic of many of the armies. DKOK, Cadians, Tyranids, Orks, Eldar, Tau, Necrons, I just really like the aesthetic of them all.

Unfortunately the game itself feels less like a game and more an excuse to line up all your models, the frustrating thing is that it could be a good game AND be an excuse to line up your models. It's not narrative enough to be a narrative game and not concise and balanced enough to be a good tactical game.

But the universe, the background and the aesthetic that the developers have created is wonderful.

 Gunzhard wrote:
I agree with this. To the OP, I dare you to say anything positive here and not get dogpiled by mass negativity...

This is dakka, you will never find a more wretched hive of disgruntled complainers.

Haha! It's not all bad, is it? There is a lot you can learn here and chat with likeminded people. The only two forums that should be avoided if you don't like negativity is YMDC (and only certain threads, the forum itself is incredibly useful if you come to it with a specific question, just don't stay too long) and General Discussion. And the irony of writing this on General Discussion forum isn't lost on me.

Good:
- Large breadth of material and models: a fully realized universe to "play in".
- Based in a science fiction setting so is rather open ended for adding to the universe lore (there are no limits!).
- A "culture" of sorts, a rather immersive experience as a hobby (a unified experience with shared reference material and terminology = belonging = passion for the game).
- Produced models are of reasonable quality due to a maturity of process and when errors do happen are easily replaced.
- At it's present incarnation it is a "sandbox" game where imagined or a re-creation from a book or source material can be setup as a game.
- More of a mass role playing game where characters and "impressive" formations (gods of war, fortifications, massed infantry or vehicles) can be fielded giving a strong visual appeal.
- The game is "unbalanced" which can allow for exciting moments. Perfectly balanced games tend to be very predictable which can equal boring.
- There are few instances of "certainty" so the gambling loving elements in us have a place.
- This hobby extends world-wide, there is usually some place within a couple hours drive to play.
- The entire imagery / media / IP is completely controlled by one company (unlike say historical) which completely determines all aspects of the game (unified "vision").
- Multitude of passionate employees producing product for the company, has a touch of "made by fans for the fans".

Bad
- Due to the science-fiction topic it has a perceived lack of "legitimacy / acceptance" of historical wargaming from the general public (compared to say, the high acceptance of train sets)
- The game is "unbalanced" which has made it exceedingly difficult to try to shoe-horn it into "competitive" game play.
- The entire imagery / media / IP is completely controlled by one company (unlike say historical) which completely determines all aspects of the game (stagnate, change direction, trim, re-write, distribution methods).
- Single source for ALL aspects of game = monopoly = no competition = priced to what the market can bear.
- A "culture" of sorts, a rather immersive experience as a hobby (a unified experience with shared reference material and terminology = differing opinions of interpretation = passionate when in disagreement).
- Management is human (and in control of creative and logistics direction), makes mistakes and seems to have chosen to avoid engagement from customer-base: source of revenue is feeling snubbed, management is progressively getting "out of touch" with customer due to chosen isolation.
- Management MUST cater to stock holders which may run contrary to successful product sales (seems counterintuitive but no good way of writing it!).

Could 40k right now be better? Resounding yes.
Can I play it and have fun? Resounding yes.

I am sure there are many points to be made but what I tried to point out is that for each "good" point there is a "bad" that comes with it... the yin with the yang.
We may just have to accept both elements in order for the game to be whole.

I disagree with the premise that you only hear the bad - there's a lot of good said here on dakka.

- I like GWs sprues lately, they come packed with options and are good quality.
- Their base and shade ranges are very good.
- The 40k setting is the most enjoyable setting I've played in, and I hope we get a lot more high quality video games in it.

 Yonan wrote:
I disagree with the premise that you only hear the bad - there's a lot of good said here on dakka.

- I like GWs sprues lately, they come packed with options and are good quality.
- Their base and shade ranges are very good.
- The 40k setting is the most enjoyable setting I've played in, and I hope we get a lot more high quality video games in it.

Especially more console games - I found Space Marine to be quite good and very satisfying.

Also, I like the fact that there are SOOO many weapons and special rules (which I'm aware alot of people do not like due to balance issues).

Of the 5 or so games my regular gaming group plays, 40k is what we play for "over-the-top-sci-fi" games. We don't expect perfect balance from a game with a ga-jillion different armies, weapons, and special rules, so we're not overly dissappointed when we run into plainly obvious "Round 2 you're tabled" mismatches....we just don't play those again, because they're not fun for the winner or loser.

 Gunzhard wrote:

 Araenion wrote:
The internet has a tendency to be all about the sky falling and inducing pessimism. Just try googling "I have a headache" and spend the next week worrying about how you probably have brain tumor.

The actual game is as it's always been. If you have a friendly community that suits you, you'll enjoy it. If your community is less-than-friendly or otherwise doesn't suit your preferences, you'll probably not enjoy it as much.

I still love the game. I love the various different combos you can do and the variety of army lists and playstyles on the table. The only things I dislike are Unbound lists and Lords of War in lower point games, but I'm lucky in that if I say I'm not interested in playing against that, I won't be looked down on.

I agree with this. To the OP, I dare you to say anything positive here and not get dogpiled by mass negativity...

This is dakka, you will never find a more wretched hive of disgruntled complainers.

It isn't that bad.

Though I do always find the humor in posts that complain about complaining!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Gunzhard wrote:

 Araenion wrote:
The internet has a tendency to be all about the sky falling and inducing pessimism. Just try googling "I have a headache" and spend the next week worrying about how you probably have brain tumor.

The actual game is as it's always been. If you have a friendly community that suits you, you'll enjoy it. If your community is less-than-friendly or otherwise doesn't suit your preferences, you'll probably not enjoy it as much.

I still love the game. I love the various different combos you can do and the variety of army lists and playstyles on the table. The only things I dislike are Unbound lists and Lords of War in lower point games, but I'm lucky in that if I say I'm not interested in playing against that, I won't be looked down on.

I agree with this. To the OP, I dare you to say anything positive here and not get dogpiled by mass negativity...

This is dakka, you will never find a more wretched hive of disgruntled complainers.

It isn't that bad.

Though I do always find the humor in posts that complain about complaining!

Which one might argue - helps to prove the point.

And the '40K General' at least, IS that bad... the modeling/painting forums are quite the opposite however.

 Throt wrote:


Why don't we look at all the great things about this game, that obviously keep us coming back for more, has to offer. Things like..

...Craziest unlucky streak.

Uhm...

Serioulsy though, what is to be kept in mind is that internet forums do not reflect the 40k playership as a whole, far from it. On about every topic, you will find more negative posts on the internet as it serves as a vent for people and you are more likely to look for people agreeing with your negative views because you want to make sure that you are right and the problem is you.

This being said, 40k is still a great game on itself because of the miniatures. The rules are pretty bad, no doubt, and GW certainly is a terrible company that hates its customers. The miniatures, for a good part look good however and due to the very high price, you are more likely to stick to the game because you don't want to "waste" your money.

Buuuuut, the rules are merely giving you a framework to work in. Anyone who sits down with a few friends and has a game of 40k can't tell me they did not have a good time. It still is a lot of fun to play. WAAC players are anther problem, but alas, those players are prevalent in pretty much all games so just avoid them. 40k still is a great beer&pretzels game and it's cool to have fun with. But if you have fun, do you feel like "Dude, I totally have to share this with all of my friends!"? We certainly don't - we just enjoy having a good time

So in short, 40k still is a great game. The rules are too expensive as they have very little substance and are poorly written, but then again, it's the internet and there are ways around it.

In the spirit of good will:

- I think GWs development of 40k as an immense expanded universe is actually a remarkable feat. Does it surpass Star Wars and Star Trek in breadth and depth of background fluff?
- I like the sibling systems of WHFB and 40K which share similar traits but in different settings.
- The imagery of 40k always inspires me, there's some amazing artwork for it - more so lately I think.
- Chainswords

Hmmmmm....
The models
aannndd the fluff.

And bare naked ladies. With Eviscerators. Gotta have them all!

What is drawing this newcomer to the game?

Variety within each faction: I was originally gonna pick up Hordes, yet after reading a bit into the rulebook...well, before I got too far, I was struck with just how little variety there was within each faction. Sure, the same can be said in any game: a Tactical Space Marine is a Tactical Space Marine, just as a and Troll Impaler is a Troll Impaler. But where the individual factions within Hordes have a distinct look - tartan pattern aside, ya seen one Trollblood, ya pretty much seen 'em all - the factions in WH40K have their own look. Walk into an FLGS, walk up to a 40K tabletop and look at the board and you can see Ultramarines and Salamanders, White Scars and Dark Angels, each with a distinct look, each playing slightly differently even when they are fielding the exact same troops.

Scale: I'm an RPGer, so an important aspect of a war-game is "can I get dual use out of these war-game minis?" With WarmaHordes, yeah I can use the few minis I bought for the game...but they are of a larger scale than any other minis I own. A Warjack set I picked up cheap includes a Dwarf Warcaster... who will now be the burliest Human in my RPG collection. But next sci-fi RPG I run, I'll have tons of armored soldiers ready to face off against the stalwart heroes.

Holes in the history: The 40K fluff has massive, massive holes in it...and that makes it perfect for a newcomer to make their place in the overall story! With 10,000 years since Horus went naughty, the writers have given us the high points, but there are huge areas that are unknown in the history, areas we the players can write for ourselves. When I was choosing which army to start play with, I hit the Games Workshop site. There was a push for the Legion of the Damned. Now, up to that point, I was thinking something like Orks would suit me, but the look of LotD struck me, so I read up a bit, and little bits about them that were written (the quest by the Ordo Chronos, the Battle for the Phalanx) coupled together in my mind with tidbits from elsewhere (the complete disappearance of the Ordo Chronos) to forge a narrative as to just what happened to the Emperor's 'Time Cops'.

More, thanks to the vagaries of Warp travel, there are enough points where elements from the games past can coexist with elements from the present. You can mix 1st Edition markings in with your 7th Edition troops, as well as models from different editions, and the different appearances are perfectly acceptable. Means a frequently broke bastard like me to find good deals on old Rogue-Trader-era tactical Space Marines so I can field a decent sized army on the cheap! Also means the design/creative side of me can mix in some Pre-Vulkan XVIII Legion markings on my 40K Salamanders and still have them look right.

Simplicity and Complexity Combined: 40K is a massive, complex game, to be sure, but after hitting the GW shop for the first time when a game was running, and standing by for a few minutes and watching the simple shortcuts used, the game comes down to about 10-20 pages of rules + loads of special rules you only need to learn for your specific troops/weapons (usually). It's that 10-20 pages of rules that works for me. Once you have that, everything else is just 'write it down on your roster for quick reference' and you're golden (for when I play them, I printed out a cut-down LotD booklet - just the rules portion, with the active Damned Legion rules highlighted).

Well, that's all I can conjure up before I hit a meeting I'm due to attend, but I think those are the ones that truly matter for me.

Oh, yes, Yonan. Chainswords.

I think the chainsword has replaced the lightsaber as the one sci-fi item I would want made real.

I'd like the Crysknife personally. Cuts through any armor and has significant more meaning.

Must agree about the post about the guard, normal blokes fighting off pretty much everything, every regiment looks like a historical force. Love it to bits.

Community, i've made great friends and cemented stuff with girls over it.

The artwork is pretty awe inspiring.

Overall i'm pretty happy with my investment in 40K I've enjoyed it a great deal.

there's a lot to love about the game. the things i dislike are few in number, really... the 'power creep', and the pricing, and the way some of the more 'munchkin' type players act...
the background of the universe, the wide variety of factions available to play, the amazing models, the way you can customize an army to suit a specific playing style, the ability to create your own background for yourarmy, the flexibility of the rules, the opportunities to convert, kit-bash, and scratch-build ( though some armies are easier than others when it comes to that), the community in general... these are all the things i love about the game, and i'm probably forgetting some at the moment, too...

 Gunzhard wrote:
I agree with this. To the OP, I dare you to say anything positive here and not get dogpiled by mass negativity...

This is dakka, you will never find a more wretched hive of disgruntled complainers.

So far, the only negativity in this thread has been from two people complaining about the constant negativity. So how about we do what was asked at the start of the thread, and what everyone else has managed to do in this thread so far, and stick with the positive, hmm?

Forgeworld is one thing, my second last game of 6th Edition was one of my favorite. Very brutal, big fight in the middle of the map, little artillery castle was left unarmed, Tyranids popped left and right only to be promptly exploded, shells flew left and right, Engineers tanked a whole shooting phase.

7th Ed is pretty darn fun so far, gunlining is stilll awesome, even if people don't like it too much, so I try to play a bit more aggressive than I used to.

Model, holyfething gakball, the whole Krieg line and them Scions.

The models are expensive yes, but there good quality so I don't,t mind paying + local store has 20% off :-)

Yes it may have faults but you have to take good and the bad

The lure for me was when I saw the first box of Space Marines (RTB01) in '88 or early '89 and found a rule book to go with it , Rogue Trader . I have always enjoyed the models and building models and a sci-fi set that allowed me to play a game with my toy soldiers that did not involve tossing fire crackers or rocks at my kits was the clencher. I even enjoyed the minor role play aspect of RT 40 K and all the creativity it opened up. I am not a tourney player and prefer a story driven game so this is what has kept me in for the long haul. I have been givin license to expand or delete or ignore anything in 40K . The universe is mine and I will shape it to my liking.

The setting and the background fluff, especially from the older publications that left quite a number of things vague or circumstantial, which allowed players to "forge the narrative" as they saw fit.

That, to me, hasn't changed. I take seeds of things that GW publishes, and from that grow my own concept of the setting.

This, at least, does not require the actual rules for the table-top game.

I don't know if it's been said before, but for me one of the great things is just how amazingly diverse the universe of 40k is. So much time and effort has gone into it, and when you look at it as a whole it's just such an awesome, grimdark, angsty setting.

And building, painting, and playing your tiny plastic men is awesome, it's like you're part of the universe.

Anytime i get my nids on the table i have fun. I still miss scything talons and ymgarls but that's how it goes. I spend the majority of my time slowly painting and modeling, it's not my favorite thing to do but family first.

Maelstrom missions are the first game mechanic introduced that actually discourages 2 static gunlines rolling dice as a game. It's to be lauded and appreciated.

Warhammer 40k as a living breathing world that's spawned many things I love, primarily the video games and some pretty awesome models. Models that lend themselves to all sorts of conversions ranging from the amazing Gothic set pieces:



to my own stupid creations that turn heads for completely different reasons.

You find armies that make lists for themselves based around awesome models are themes that exist deep within nearly 30 years of fiction built up. You find near justification in "$1800 for a complete Death Korp of Kreig army? Seems legit..." You have models that lend themselves to building scenes and narratives; the trend of massive competition painting in wargaming started with Games Day and the racing minds and hearts on how to win one of the coveted Golden Daemon let alone the Slayer Sword.

Screaming stupid quotes at your screen as you blow stuff up in Dawn of War or feel the insane firepower of the various 40k weaponry in Space Marine is hilariously good times. The books by Dan Abnett define so much of what is great about 40k. The unique artstyle of John Blanche defining what many defined as Grim Dark for so long.

There really is a lot of joy to be had in the world of Warhammer 40k.

Kit bashing and conversions. There isn't another miniature game that comes close. This coupled with the open ended fluff that allows homebrew armies and colour schemes while still being perfect fits within the larger universe. No other system can touch GW games' personalization.

Can I be a dick here? Yes I can, it's the internet.

The positive thing is that GW's absolute failures have shown me the glory of many other miniature games. Without GW flubbing up on so many fronts, I would have never even considered expanding my horizons as much as I have now. And none of these other interesting companies would be in business if GW wasn't so flawed.

Okay, I'm done being a dick. Seriously, GW's intellectual property is solid gold. No matter how badly they mess things up, they are still sitting on one of the most engrossing and amazing fantasy/science fiction settings that I've ever seen.

Mechanicum
Sisters of Battle
Imperial Fists
Badab War
Conversion possibilites

Flyers are also a good thing in tha it gives another aspect for the players to explore. I don't know of another game which combines squad tactics with air support. The image of your jets screaming in to drop bombs or missiles is just too exciting. Also, to be able to have monstrous flyers attack the planes is like a scene from a movie (Avatar)

Also, the models are really cool! I like the avenger strike fighter and also the night shroud bomber. They are just very well designed.

Love the fluff, And my sick mind loves Slaneesh, maybe i should start a Slaneesh army called the scumdogs of the universe!

The fluff alone has made me want to scheme so many armies to include Khorne, Slaanesh, Gue'Vesa, Death Korp of Krieg, and more. I'd be so under a pile of 40k minis and be happy if the winds blew right. They just do that stuff awesome.

I started playing 40k in 2011 only recently compared to some of the gentlemen/ladies here, I started playing Dawn of War 2 with a friend since it was on a steam sale and absolutely fell in love with the lore. I found a FLGS around me and met a ton of cool people that would let me test out the game, check out the miniatures, and show me how to play. This is the hobby I was looking to get into and it showed me that my sister didn't take all the creative fuel from the family.

-I love the creativety that is involved, I could spend hours making models, vehicles, designing terrain and cool bases. And that satisfaction I get from a fully painted army is fantastic.
-The rules aren't perfect, but they're just enough to make some amazing stories
-I have met some of my closest friends through hobby gaming

It may not be the most balanced or the "best" game, but it is certainly one I won't stop playing for a long time, even if GW closes it's doors I'd still be running my boyz up the field

I love being able to customize the game to fit the needs of my play group, to work within the lore and expand on it. The lore alone brought me to the Warhammer games years and years ago, the miniature game took a lot longer but is easily as satisfying.

Not to mention, it turns out I actually like painting

Have I mentioned kit bashing and conversions enough yet?

Okay, it needs to be said again:

The actual game can go fudge itself but I love the models. They just have this cartoony aesthetic that I adore. My favorite part of the game is seeing the army I spent weeks modeling and painting on the table. I'm filled with pride even as they die horribly thanks to my less than stellar tactical aptitude and terrible luck with dice.

 TheKbob wrote:
Have I mentioned kit bashing and conversions enough yet?

Okay, it needs to be said again:

Spoiler:

That is freaking awesome

 Lobomalo wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
Have I mentioned kit bashing and conversions enough yet?

Okay, it needs to be said again:

Spoiler:

That is freaking awesome

Seconded. Looking at this is both enthrallling because of the artwork and also somewhat discouraging because I will probably never reach this level.

My favorite part of this hobby is the terrain. Not most terrain, mind you, but the good stuff I'm talking forgeworld terrain, basically. How I would LOVE to get one day in at Warhammer World. Terrain really makes and breaks games. For example, what if there was a game that took place in the ravine below a bridge? In fact, just like this. I want to be able to own my own tablescape some day. And there is a good chance that it's going to come from Forgeworld.

 Throt wrote:
We always hear the bad...what about the good.??

The 40K RPG's are pretty darn good.

Gee, I wonder why you of all people would says that

Not that I disagree, mind you

Even though I've stopped playing the game, I LOVE the fluff, especially the HH series and anything with Word Bearers, Iron Warriors and Mechanicum in it. The 30K/40K universe is, I think the greatest sci-fi setting out there.

I've also stopped playing and won't pay another cent, but I do love the fluff. And a little hypocritical of me, will probably keep buying the novels. Everyone has a weakness.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I've also stopped playing and won't pay another cent, but I do love the fluff. And a little hypocritical of me, will probably keep buying the novels. Everyone has a weakness.

The novels are a solid product (depending on author ; p), not hypocritical in the slightest. I was accused of hypocrisy for buying 40k from a US discounter when my stance was GW regional pricing was bad which was a bit peculiar I thought.

It's refreshing to see such a positive change in attitude for once. I love the 40k lore, flat out, and I love how that translates into some of the most amazing models we've seen. We literally see so many scratchbuilds and gaming units with dioramas built into their base, or telling a story.

There's just so much... character... that I haven't really been able to find elsewhere in any other game.

Far too early to Godwin a thread.

I still like the models and the lore, but that's about it now. Everything else is either not worth it (prices) or just reads like complete garbage (rules) compared to virtually everything else.

Another thing good is the release of stats for Primarchs. This gives the player an ability to play the legends of 40k. They are pretty impressive and each have an interesting backstory. Having these allows players to re-enact any of the famous scenes. Unfortunately, no stats for the Emperor, if not I'll be arranging a match for Emperor vs Horus.

YET - he is on the "to do" list. Apparently causing quite a consternation (theyve also written all the stats for all of them at one go, so theyre balanced against eachother in theory....)

Have to say, my forgeworld HH addiction is terrifying. Never thought id spend so much just for a pretty book.....

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Love the fluff, And my sick mind loves Slaneesh, maybe i should start a Slaneesh army called the scumdogs of the universe!

Only if you model a Death-Pod with plasma cannons spewing death on anything that dares protrude to go with your Scumdogs of the Universe.

The fact you can get a game easily and quickly most places.
The opportunity for modelling.
The ability to create your own personal force and background

There are a number of things about 40K the game that I love....the background, the models, the distinctive character for each army, the diversity not only between different armies, but between different builds of the same army. Very few sci-fi games have that level of diversity.

 Corporal_Chaos wrote:
The lure for me was when I saw the first box of Space Marines (RTB01) in '88 or early '89 and found a rule book to go with it , Rogue Trader . I have always enjoyed the models and building models and a sci-fi set that allowed me to play a game with my toy soldiers that did not involve tossing fire crackers or rocks at my kits was the clencher. I even enjoyed the minor role play aspect of RT 40 K and all the creativity it opened up. I am not a tourney player and prefer a story driven game so this is what has kept me in for the long haul. I have been givin license to expand or delete or ignore anything in 40K . The universe is mine and I will shape it to my liking.

Oh yes. First game I ever played was recreating the Battle at the Farm. Orks vs Crimson Fists. There was nothing out there like it at the time. I was hooked.

I love the open ended feel too. Making my own Space Marine chapters, imperial guard regiments, i mean that is boundless. I' m even fine with the unbound stuff now that I've looked at it.


Thanks for this thread OP, it is good to think about the good in 40k since there is so much negativity lately. I know I have been negative about a lot of the newer things. But the game is amazing. I mean I have literally been involved in some aspect of it for twenty five years or so. That's positive!

I just love how you can just sit there and enjoy the hobby.

I can't tell you how much I enjoy seeing a fully painted army on a fully completed board. The last time I saw this was about 8 or 9 years and it got me into the hobby.

Right now, I'm trying to think of way to get my friend into the game, since he likes FoW, and it's difficult trying to remember what got me into it!


The creative license we are given is a massive part of the enjoyment.




As you can tell, I've never really played a game.

Mainly the fact that I can, one day, have one tense, all-out competitive game and then go and play another game where we get a few drinks, throw some dice around and laugh hysterically when a model blows its head off with a plasma pistol.

Secondly the fact that those two games could easily be with people I've never met before, in a place I've never been before. Because if two people play 40k, there's an instant connection there and you just get on with it and have a game, and normally end up decent friends afterwards.

Refreshing to see the anti-GW placard wavers [you know who you are] giving some positive comments. Possibly because the mods seem all over this thread for some reason despite the hundreds of positive ones that have been hijacked?

Anyway, OT - GW had been a huge part of my life for the last 30 years. I'm probably more active now than I have ever been, but I have been immersed in the 40k universe in some fashion since I was around 5 year old. They don't always get the gaming side of it right, but this and Star Wars have made me the man I am today. The only things I have ever wanted to be are a Jedi and a Space Marine. Neither happened, but I still live in hope

Despite its flaws 7th edition is, for me, the best edition yet. GW seem to be listening to their customer base a little more with each release, and I am optimistic for the future. Plus I get to use my Warhound Titan now

Finished DoW1 Soulstorm (3rd expansion). Damn I love Dawn of War! One more to go, Dark Crusade which iirc was always my favourite DoW1. More games like this please GW!! Relic really nailed the setting with visuals and sounds in these games. The voice actors came into their own in Dawn of War 2 imo, they really brought the setting to life. You can hear the righteous fury in Gabriel Angelos voice whenever he talks.

I just got the new rule book set and the Ork codex and was thinking of writing an essay on why this game kicks butt, but here is a thread doing that, so:

This game is amazing when you consider an alternative of nothing and an empty table. GW has filled the space very creatively. I started out many years ago building 1/32 WWII models, but when finished, all you could do is look at them. Then I discovered WH40K 12 years ago and got my mind blown. The creativity and superb evolution of the sculpting is fabulous. The flow of new models is impressive. You really don't have to buy them all, but they sure are seductive. The fact that they make the troop model parts in such a way that you can pose them in a bunch of different ways is a massive treat if you think about it. Who wants some metal sculpt that has one pose when you can have every model unique. Plus they are now including so many spare bits that allow you to customize models you haven't bought yet. And, who else puts out painting lessons? I also thoroughly enjoy conversions. I was tasked with making a huge Ork battle cruiser for an Apocalypse game several years ago which ended up being 3' long and 18" high. A beauty that fit the rulez. Also built two Ork subs, one modeled after a U boat and one a Russian boomer. Very Orky which is a creative joy. Haven't seen any other games that encourage that sort of thing.

When it was announced that they were coming out with a new rule book two years early in their cycle, I had my doubts, but it is a major step forward in the game. I can see now why they had the ants to put it out early. If you keep your old rule books, you can play whatever version you want (although you could get mightily confused). These guys started out importing Dungeons and Dragons to England back in the 70's, and look at them now! You should be thankful you are alive when all this is happening. And take note that this is a world-wide game. Other than futbol and Toyotas, what else can you discuss in common in such a variety of nations? I have posted my droll battle reports on this site and gotten compliments from France, Germany, Netherlands, the UK and New Zealand. That's community, brother. Truthfully, I can be slow on figuring out all the rules and probably could have won more games if I knew what I was doing, but I don't care. I'm more into the visuals - the model-eyes view. And the games are still a ball even when I lose, generally (don't have much time for the guys that must win at all costs). I have too many armies, but each one has such great fluff and models. Necrons, Dark Eldar, Dark Angels - distinct each.

Finally, the art in their publications has taken a huge leap forward. I love the Visions mag when it covers 40K, and the hardback books they are putting out are really outstanding - coffee table quality (which would be placed there if my wife thought our guests would be interested in my toy soldier collection). The novels are quite good, and are really an amazing adjunct to the models and the games. (I might add that after reading Fulgrim I sold my Chaos army as too twisted). The whole concept and execution of the game seems to be progressing quite amazingly and I'm in for the duration. Lord knows what they'll come up with next.

It's all good, baby. The whiners should be embarrassed, but hey, they get to have their opinions.

I have removed a bunch of off-topic chatter from the thread.

If you want to see more positive posting on this forum, the way to accomplish that is by contributing more positive posts.

Insulting those you who hold a different opinion on the game to your own is not a positive contribution, and is unlikely to make them suddenly realise the 'error' of their ways and change their behaviour.

You don't beat negativity with more negativity. If you want a more positive environment on these forums, then contribute positively.

Ok, I "positively" hate the current direction of the game.

Sorry, Insaniak...I had to do it. Dakka is missing a lot of its humor lately. Too many people taking all this way to seriously. Even the casual players are serious these days. When you hear people saying, "You're not playing casual enough!" I gotta find a way to laugh about it.

On a more on-topic line of thought. I truly believe that the playerbase has the ability to overcome the current issues facing the community. They just have to lighten up a bit and not be so dogmatic in their approach to the game. Maybe create their own rules as this BRB suggests.

Later,
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I'll jump on the 'yay gw' band wagon too.

Caveat. Can't be bothered with the game - IMO it's rubbish. Most of the 'regular' ie codex fluff is kinda meh as well. I guess codex:comedy robots and codex gk killed it for me. It's just... Childish.

That said, forgeworld is pretty damned awesome. And though I diss the regular fluff, I'm a big fan of imperial armour. I have them all. If I want something fun to read that isn't a novel - I pull one out and disappear into the 40k-iverse. The recent step into the heresy is a lot of fun as well. And forgeworld do very pretty models.

I am a big fan of gw bits. I play mostly warmachine and infinity. Love the models. Love painting them. IMO pp's stuff is generally very good, and Corvus belli make the best models in the industry. Neither do a great deal of bits! Pp's stuff is very limited, in my mind. If I want to convert stuff, I reach for my gw bits box that I've been keeping since 2002! And to be fair, some of gw's kits are a gold mine for interesting wee bits n bobs for converting - even if I never use them for the intended game, I get great use out of them. Funnily enough, I love the kroot box!

Lastly - a big shout out for gw washes. I had some bad experiences with gloss washes after the recent change to their paint catelog. The replacement for gryphon Sephia was aweful. Ive been using pp washes and paints recently, and they're solid. But recently, I picked up some gw paints bad washes. And to be fair, Null oil is pretty awesome. Perfect for washing down my iron fangs. I would heartily recommend it.

 ciaotym wrote:

. The fact that they make the troop model parts in such a way that you can pose them in a bunch of different ways is a massive treat if you think about it. Who wants some metal sculpt that has one pose when you can have every model unique. Plus they are now including so many spare bits that allow you to customize models you haven't bought yet. And, who else puts out painting lessons? I also thoroughly enjoy conversions.

One pose?If it's a good model - then sure. Multipose has it's advantages though. That said, other companies do painting lessons - I've seen quite a few DVDs from privateer press on it, amongst others. And YouTube 'painting techniques'.

 ciaotym wrote:

And take note that this is a world-wide game. Other than futbol and Toyotas, what else can you discuss in common in such a variety of nations?

Quite a bit, to be fair!

 ciaotym wrote:


Finally, the art in their publications has taken a huge leap forward. I love the Visions mag when it covers 40K, and the hardback books they are putting out are really outstanding - coffee table quality (which would be placed there if my wife thought our guests would be interested in my toy soldier collection). The novels are quite good, and are really an amazing adjunct to the models and the games. (I might add that after reading Fulgrim I sold my Chaos army as too twisted). The whole concept and execution of the game seems to be progressing quite amazingly and I'm in for the duration. Lord knows what they'll come up with next.

Gw art is indisputably high quality, as is their printing, but visions isn't. It's a rip off. There's better magazines out there. No quarter and wargames illustrated jump to mind.

 ciaotym wrote:

It's all good, baby. The whiners should be embarrassed, but hey, they get to have their opinions.

It's not 'all good' though, There is validity to a lot of the criticisms though, despite the internet echo chamber effect, For what it's worth, simply calling people 'whiners' is rather crude and dismissive and really serves no purpose.

Well to be perfectly honest, I love the fluff. I think the 40k background is my favorite fictional universe for its over-the-top feel and ridiculous amounts of (what I think are anyway) pure awesome. There's so much depth in the fluff and its possible to change quite a good amount. I love it.

Do I find the rules broken? Well, yes I guess. Still, I play the game to see ridiculous amounts of psyker powers, dakka, and close combat flying all over the place. I often even discard points and throw a large group of units at another large group of units, say "ATTACK!" and watch the chaos unfold.

I also find the universe to be very malleable, allowing me to make very many codexes, supplements, and the occasional story on a battle. It gives me a more creative way to play the game.

The fact that the game is gridless and more flexible for movement is something I quite enjoy as well. While I understand other games do it too, I still enjoy it here.

Keep in mind though, I do only play this by myself.

Are there any actual reviews of the ork codex? Preferably impartial.

I love ig, they are generic dudes doibg not generic things in difficult circumstances, that and they are the easiest to sympathize with.

I became obsessed with the background when I was a kid, still am.
There's loads of brilliant models. The rules are fine for casual play, which is all I'll ever really be doing.

I like old 40k, they did a great job of fleshing out a universe well still leaving most of the details wide open. I think, at least for me, the filling in of those details by others is what upsets me. It's like having a masterpiece sketch "filled in" by someone else to make it "better". I love bolters, power armor, Dreadnoughts, land raiders, rhinos, jump packs, land speeders, drop pods, power swords, power fists, lightning claws, storm shields, rad grenades, vortex grenades, grav guns, web guns..., and Titans! Don't get me started about Epic, space hulk, necromunda, blood bowl, etc. !!! I love what Warhammer was and is for me.


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What's sad is that that stuff is all 20 yrs old...instead of expanding they are trying to jam all of it into one game. I love seeing a stompa or a knight on the board, and they are amazing models, but it doesn't "work" as they were intended.

Personally, "playing" the game with the rules, stats, and whatever are almost secondary. Even without playing, just laying out a legion of highly customized armor and troops with another army on the other side my imagination runs wild with imagined scenes of the colossal armored war machines dueling with alien monsters and mere men (IG, my army) or even genetically/cybernetically altered Super Men fighting against the most insane alien or super natural conceived beasts is second to none. Heck, just placing my army on a giant table for an apoc match is great, and I have to take a picture before the first roll is even done.

The ability to create my own army as I please Is what I like best, having the option to use the GW models as templates to work from or plastic models of other machines, or even from scratch with plastic sheets and glue. That's a lot of fun for me. Then being able to work your creations into the vast universe (with some sense concerning the original material of course) is icing on the cake.

I just love 40k I started playing in high school and here I am 7 years later begging my wife at my FLGS to let me buy the SM strikeforce(she let me, I do love her indeed) I dont play as much but I love putting together a large fluffy army, sadly so many people in my area only play tourney armies and dont want a Fluffy campaign they only want that trophy. But I digress.

I love the fact that even stuff that occurs in my house can factor into game play, such as my GSD (german sheperd Dog) loves to walk up and ever so gently grab a model from the scenario and run off with it. My friends and I actually count that model as killed by the Bearasuarus Rex. When my wife turns the lights off accidentally we use our own personal Night fighting rules and leave the lights off. When the dog bumps the table and the models all go wibbly wobbly all models that fall over have to take a dangerous terrain test for the siesmic danger on the current world. There are just so many possibilities especially if you have a very casual group to play with. Even when the beer spills it counts as a volcanic eruption and every model hit takes a S8 AP2 hit.

From the point of view of someone who has ditched 40k, I'd like to point out some broad ways in which 40k is quite good.

The Universe
The background of 40k is very wide, but not very deep, and the universe is presented as being even wider without being defined. This is seen by some to be a bad thing, but it's actually one of the ways that 40k keeps being such a fun sandbox in which folks can build their own thing.

For example the Battletech universe is much more thoroughly and richly developed, with more detail and consistency, and a historical timeline that progresses. However, it does make much narrower, the options for creating one's on niche (technology and factions are fairly nailed down, aliens aren't part of the equation, etc, etc) . The boundaries 40k universe are much less clearly defined and there's room to incorporate just about anything. It's a universe that encompasses Gaunts Ghosts, Caiaphas Cain, and whatever the monthly novel of bolted porn is and does so comfortably.

The models.
It has NEVER been realistic to say that GW is definitively "the best" maker of models, but they are still among the best. Like any company, they have some stinkers and the style is not to everyones taste. However, it's hard to deny that they put out a lot of great models and do so with a regularity that's hard to beat. My friend just showed up with a kit of wood elves on stags. Really gorgeous stuff! Also, their kits offer more variety that almost anyone else's with a notable few exceptions, none of which are made by companies that come anywhere near GW's output.

Production Values
The presentation of GW products and printed materials, have always been very slick and extremely pretty. Say what you will about WD, it was always one of the best looking magazines (not containing pretty women) you could have by the toilet. Those same production values were present in GW gaming books, box art and promotional materials, going back decades. Folks will argue style vs substance, but there is something really nice about a really good-looking set of war-games rules. It's something that GW dominated in for years and it's only in the last decade that other wargaming companies have started to catch up.

Ubiquity.
GW games are still -in many areas- the most popular war-games. That means that the higher sticker price usually buys you a built-in local or near-local community with which to play. That's a feature that should not be underestimated. I freely admit that if I didn't have access to the group of indie-gamers that I do I'd probably still be shelling out GW bucks. For those for whom the gaming experience is a vital part of wargaming, the ubiquity and built-in-community of GW is a real benefit.

Holding of value.
GW miniatures have a value that extends beyond the original purchase in a way that exceeds most other war-games miniatures. One result of this is that it is financially easier for GW gamers to switch armies. Another result is an enormous and thriving 2nd hand market where it is not difficult for the newbie to enter a GW game at a discounted price-point of entry. To be clear that lower price is often still more expensive than other games, but its still a good discount and the decades long history of GW means that older versions of models are often available at an even lower price point.

So there you have it, the 40k recipe has a lot going for it. It's not my favorite flavor anymore, but theres more than enough quality ingredients for me to completely understand why many do partake.

The part I like the most is assembling the model itself.
Priming it afterward and painting it after that.

I don't care a whole lot for playing the game much these days as I am hyper competative and only find fun in games where the winner is either not obvious ( I do not get tabled lol) or I win myself.

say what you will about 40k, but it is honestly one of the best things in my life. although, that really isn't saying much.

Finally! First of all exalted!!

I love the game for the extensive background, the details, and the many races that you can play so as not to get tired of one. I also like the fact that they (GW) have been around for a while, I have been involved with it since the very beginning, and with many systems I've seen most fail. Not 40K, it just keeps getting better! Love the new rules, the attention to details in the making of the books, the separation of the fluff, and rules... I'm at work with the new Ork Codex out in my car and I'm really wanting to go hide in my car and read it!

Mostly for me, it has allowed me to meet loads of great folks, made many good friends through the game. I love to build and paint the kits. I can do whatever I want, I can set up my squads however I want, arm a member with the dangerous plasma guns just because I can. I can put a 5 man team in a Razorback that I armed up the way I want. What I'm trying to say is it's versatile. Now I can throw in some Tau xenos to fight with my Space Marines if I want, fighting on a desperate battle field vs Tyranids.

I like to set up small games for my boys to play, like rescue Lt. Dan at his crash site, with Tyranid Spore Mines floating towards him and a small squad of Termagants hunting him. Then I can play the giant battles with Titans, and Super Heavies, and literally hundreds of figures!

I also enjoyed running demo games around several different states for GW, made loads of contacts and helped spread the game around to folks who had never heard of it. One time I had a weekend of 40K demo's, one guy never heard of it but had listened to a radio station advertising the weekend events at this hobby shop. He came by tried out something new, after he had played a couple of times I caught him walking out with 5 of the new boxed sets, I said what do you need 5 for? He said for all my buddies, they'll love this!

Anyway I like loads of things about GW and the products they make. Have met some artists, authors, been inspired by very talented friends, man I could go on and on!!

Man, It's all about the Space Wolves, Bruvah!!

So awesome that they may have erased up to 2 corrupted legions? And the Wolves have the best fluff, ESPECIALLY pre-heresy. All stone cold killers on the outside, and rough brother dogs to each other.

Vikings in space? I think so man. If I could be born into the 40k universe, I know I'd want to be on Fenris, somehow survive a huge battle and get picked up by a Rune Priest.

Of course I know if I were to be magically born into a 40k universe, my parents would hate me and turn me into a darned baby Cherub servitor... (thats how it works right?)

But anyways... Wolves for the Wolf God!

Wolf wolf wolf.

 Pyeatt wrote:
Man, It's all about the Space Wolves, Bruvah!!

So awesome that they may have erased up to 2 corrupted legions? And the Wolves have the best fluff, ESPECIALLY pre-heresy. All stone cold killers on the outside, and rough brother dogs to each other.

Vikings in space? I think so man. If I could be born into the 40k universe, I know I'd want to be on Fenris, somehow survive a huge battle and get picked up by a Rune Priest.

Of course I know if I were to be magically born into a 40k universe, my parents would hate me and turn me into a darned baby Cherub servitor... (thats how it works right?)

But anyways... Wolves for the Wolf God!

Wolf wolf wolf.

wolf lord on a thunder wolf with a wolf token and a wolf claw and a wolf claw and fenrisian wolf bodyguards followed by wolf guard with wolf claws.

Add a batch of flanking with Wolf Scouts, and I'll take 2, please.

wolf lord on a thunderwolf with a wolf tokan and a wolf claw and a wolf claw and fenrisian wolf bodygiards and wolf guard with wolf claws and flanking wolf scouts and a wolf lord on a thunder wolf with a wolf tokan and a wolf claw and a wolf claw and fenrisian wolf bodyguards and wolf guard with wolf claws and flanking wolf scouts.
I DARE you to say that three times fast.

The multipart plastic kits are hard to beat if you like the aesthetic- River Trolls and Plague Bearers are two I've recently put together which are fantastic.

And their WETA inspired LOTR/Hobbit range of plastics are excellent too.

Having branched out into other games, I can appreciate the easy of assembly and the joy of working with GW's well designed plastics all the more.

I also mostly use GW paints because I am familiar with them but also because they are a decent product.

The fiction produced around the games, though of variable quality, has produced some gems- most of ADB's stuff is excellent, quite a lot of Dan Abnett's stuff is also really enjoyable to read.

And the last thing they did, which is hard to express exactly, is that they got this huge scale of a universe, with so much diversity in worlds, still expressed with common themes between all of them. So that if you want dark gothic sci fi, it's got every flavour from high tech to post apocalyptic, to faux fantasy "forgotten science", it's all there, it's all coherent, and I can take my mob of orks or army of space knights and play a game in any of these settings without difficulty.

The customization possibilities are great. If you can chop it, you can convert it. And whatever you build is 99% likely to be useable by at least one army. With unbound, it's useable by any army. Other games (almost all of the bigger names) have better rules. GW doesn't care about rules at all, so they make crappy ones. But they do make awesome (usually) sculpts that are highly customizable. Kitbashing isn't just an action, it's a religion.

Their kits since they are fun to work with, customize, and kitbash with them. Although I usually do this to make some models for their 'Specialist' Games since those are the ones I enjoy more in the universe. The other is their universe, despite kind of ripping off other things and the later fluff being meh, I still find it fun and unique for a black parody of sorts.. Although their main game is crap, I'll take FFG's rpgs and their LCG over base 40k and fantasy that Games Workshop comes out with.

I find it amusing that there needs to be a heavily policed GW positivity thread.

Most of the positives that have already been mentioned are common to many other wargames.

The core, and by now possibly only, good thing about 40k and GW in general is the background.

40K fluff creates a world that is not only interesting but well crafted with enough ambiguity to encourage rather than stifle player creativity. The new fluff is pretty much hopeless but the framework is extremely solid.

The same is also true for Fantasy although it isn't as strong.

This thread got me thinking so much about this that I expanded my previous posting into an essay on my club's blog.

http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2014/06/in-praise-of-warhammer-40000-and-games.html

For me, this thread is more of a wake, where you only speak of the good things and paint a pretty picture that doesn't show the more complex reality of the deceased.

Another thing which came to mind that I find good was True Line of Sight.

Although it can cause problems and sometimes you must define eyes etc, I still get a more realistic feel to it. There is a little thrill about trying to look through the eyes of your model, as if you are really standing there. When I first started 40k, I remember that I was quite impressed with this rule. I was wondering how you could have coherent rules around it.

This may not be exclusive to 40k but I find t to be a thing good about it. There is abuse like modelling for advantage but like anything out there, abuse will creep in after a while. I trust that gamers are an intelligent bunch. it's almost like rule 34. Hmmm hope I got the rule right.

My Good Thoughts about the Ork Codex:
Stompa is in the Codex.
The Orks have really interesting Formations. While costly for the most part, they are still really cool.
Ork Clans went from Quarter of a page descriptions back in 4th to Half Page descriptions with a showcase story and full color character pictures for each Clan.
Painboyz can go into any squads now. And Mad Dok is fieldable without worrying about your opponent kite-ing him.
Playing with 'Ere We Go! actually made me feel stronger in Close Combat as I could chance those long charges.
Plastic Meganobs, while not too much cheaper than the old versions comes with a lot more bitz and pieces.
Stormboyz in squads of 30 with a points drop.
Deffkoptas are cheaper, and I have 3 squads of them that I got for cheap.
I can take Squads of up to 6 Killa Kanz. And the new Cowardly Grotz rule makes me like taking a deffdread and using him as the Kill Kan's Sergeant.
Lootas are better, but as Heavy Support choices I can't spam them as much because...
I want to field FLASH GITS! They look like mobile weapons platforms to me, and they have pretty good stats too.

All in all I am happy with my new codex.

The way the background invokes the imagination. When I play a game I can really see a horde of Orks charging forwards as my battle lines try to shoot as many as they can before they get there.

The way you can customise your army. There must be unlimited army lists. Nothing else I have seen has the same level of customisation.

Again, the background. It's so rich, and satisfying to my soul. It's also a great parody of real life.

When three or four Space Wolves miraculously kill fifteen or so Guardsmen (this actually happened recently), and pull the win with three men standing.

Meeting cool like minded people, who love the setting as much as I do.

So the majority of positive posts are people voicing their opinion on the artistic style and background of 40k.
Considering GW has been working on the game system for over quarter of a century, one might expect a distinctive style and deep background.

And the rest of the positives seem to revolve around like minded people agreeing on how they enjoy their version of 40k.

Which applies to any table top game played by a group of people.

This thread is the war gaming version of 'say something nice about a person you have ''issues'' with.'

And the bulk of the replies were;_
'Well they have nice hair, er um er, and fresh breath.Yes nice hair and fresh breath!'


I think the background is inspirational too.And the artistic style appeals to me.And I have to stop there as well!

But by far the best part about 40k is reading the sarcastic comments on Dakkadakka, where people are pretending to be polite so they don't get in trouble with the mods.

 Kavish wrote:
But by far the best part about 40k is reading the sarcastic comments on Dakkadakka, where people are pretending to be polite so they don't get in trouble with the mods.

Like yours?

To sum up the thread: Pretty much the only good things about 40k is the background/lore and the general quality of the figures with few exceptions.

Everything else is bad because GW is a terrible company with worse business practices that basically fleece their customers and treat them like brainwashed suckers.

Well, it was too good to last I suppose, before this thread gets taken over again.

On topic, another good thing I like about GW is the good customer service. Quite a lot of my friends have had items posted to them at no extra costs, as long as the original product was defective. I've had one experience too and generally they were quite responsive.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Serioulsy though, what is to be kept in mind is that internet forums do not reflect the 40k playership as a whole, far from it. On about every topic, you will find more negative posts on the internet as it serves as a vent for people and you are more likely to look for people agreeing with your negative views because you want to make sure that you are right and the problem is you.

Slightly off-topic but still related I just wanted to point out an observation.

I am on quite a few forums in relation to other games and there is no company that generates as much vitrol as GW. I dare anyone to find one other game, or wargaming company, that generate more criticism than genuine excitement than GW. I have been a GW customer for 22 years, things have NEVER been as bad as they have in the last few years.

Quite frankly, GW has without question:



The fact of the matter is GW has earned this themselves. Every other company engages with their customer base and tries to provide a quality product that customers want to buy. GW is the sole exception where it has become blatantly obvious they see their customer as nothing more than stupid wallets to fleece, charging premium prices for sub-par products.

As for me personally, I have nothing left to defend GW on. The 7th edition stinks, the models have become over-sized cartoon monstrosities and the prices.... well, I'm not even going to go there. GW no longer cares about their customers, so my question would be why should their customer even give two pence of care about them anymore?

Funny enough, I still care. I love this game, and no matter what some random guy on the internet with an ax to grind, imagined or earned, I'm still going to buy their products and play the game.

I love the game. 6th edition was not the end of the world as I knew it. I've enjoyed several 6th edition games, and I expect the same from 7th edition.

I love Warhammer too, and I'm going to continue playing it no matter what for years to come. I don't like GW's business practices though. If there's something I want, I'll just save up until I have enough to get it. I'm in no hurry to build a massive army. I always look for other ways to get my figures first. The GW store is my last resort, their products are out of the price range at which I'm willing to buy. And if its the only way, like I said, a few more months of saving is nothing to me.

Also, I play with friends and family, so we make our own rules for the game. We throw out the points system and fix the stats of all troops so one type of troop is equal to its counterpart. That being said, we keep in the special rules and generally follow the codex for everything else. No ones ever complained, and we're all satisfied.

 Wayshuba wrote:
I am on quite a few forums in relation to other games and there is no company that generates as much vitrol as GW. I dare anyone to find one other game, or wargaming company, that generate more criticism than genuine excitement than GW.

Do video games count? Because you should see battlelog for Battlefield 4. 2 out of 3 comments are "fix the game" or "finish the game". It's sad, but it seems to be the direction the business world is going. Once a company goes public things are a lot less friendly.

Hah, I love how some of you, guys, come over here just to bring their air of GW/40k bashing even though the thread is explicitly stated to not want such comments. :') I respect everyone on Dakka, but seeing you come over with your sarcastic and/or bleak comment(no matter how gently worded) clearly meant to criticize the game and/or it's developer in yet another thread for the sake of your wicked little crusade is just way too low. Especially you, MWHistorian. Please, don't take it as a personal attack, I'm just trying to appeal to you. I respect you as a person as you seem to be pretty reasonable, but you're taking it a bit too far. It feels like in every possible thread even remotely related to 40k as a game or GW there's 95% chance that you'll come over and, 1 - preach on how you quit in favour of Warmachine, 2 - try to prove everyone who enjoys the game wrong and rub that "other games are better" in their faces mercilessly while actively trying to drive them away into other titles(as you even admitted that you do it on purpose in one thread). Somehow it really turned into some kind of Dakka circlejerk pattern with, most often, the same few guys involved. Not saying that it's unprovoked as there are also extremes on the other side, but it's not healthy with either.

If OP wants a thread about positive things with the game please, don't barge in and make sarcastic/negative remarks. It's clearly a thread you guys should steer clear from if you can't contribute anything nice as he asked in the original post. :-)

Now moving onto the topic - what I like about 40k...

Well, the biggest part is the hobby aspects - I am a huge, huge fan of the customizability of models. When I open a box I don't think about how great it'll perform on the table, I look at the bits I can use on those(and other) models, I look at the casting quality, possible conversion ideas and ability to give them some cool poses that noone else came up with on unique, kitbashed models. Converting stuff is my religion now. I even have a Sentinel holding an autocannon like a rifle like those exo suits from Avatar because why not? And kitbashed HQs... man, dem HQs!

Another thing is obviously the fluff. 40k is one of the best-established and original universes and over all those years GW managed to create a rich, interesting backstory for all it's factions and gave everyone a purpose. Of course some ideas are better than others and most of them apply to particular player's personal preferences as some people might not like particular armies, but pretty much everyone can find something he'll like and the fluff will make him root for that faction. My only gripe with 40k's fluff is that GW could make it progress at a bit faster pace, but it doesn't matter in the long run, the game is about the here and now in 41st millennium!

I also like the gameplay - 40k is a very simple and fast game that, in most cases, is all about point and click and rolling buckets of dice, making it great as a beer and pretzels game with friends. Especially given the fact that my local community is very mature and if they feel like bringing cheese to the table, they'll warn you and/or ask if you're okay with that. Bonus points when you 'forge a narrative' with the opponent, thinking up a possible explanation for the conflict, giving the characters names and/or trying to come up with some nice idea behind the objectives as a little bit of immersion with your carefully assembled and painted plastic men can really make it ten times better.

And that brings me to my main point - immersion. It's really fantastic that there are so many people that care about their army being fluffy. I always encourage people to try to personalize it, to make it unique and to give it some distinct fluff(or at least immerse themselves in some existing one) as it goes a very long way with enjoying the game. Of course there are those that only care about the gameplay and they could just as well play with cardboard boxes roughly the size of their miniatures, but I think that the strongest point of the game lies in immersion. The fluff is grea and it gives a lot of ideas on what kind of force your army can be, you can have awesome stuff happening and making up background for it.. just like the one time I was playing Hobbit and a lone Grim Hammer making his final stand against several orcs in a narrow passage to buy his friends time, winning the combat for few turns in a row and taking down five orcs with him. When he finally died we marked his base and he'll be painted to be a captain rather than a regular Grim Hammer warrior thanks to his efforts. Of course that can happen in every single game, but 40k with it's fluff is much more likely to have such awesome situations happening(although sometimes on the squad level rather than single model). Add some awesome, big machines like Stompas, Knights and flyers and you'll have very unique game with some seriously epic stuff happening.

Overall I enjoy 40k a lot and I still believe that while I might enjoy other titles, no other game will ever take 40k's niche. The game is best served chilled with addition of reasonable opponents and healthy attitude.

I'm sorry if I sounded a bit harsh in the first part, no offense meant.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm going to pre-empt things a little here and ask that people make an effort to stick to the topic. There is no need to bash those who hold a different opinion to your own - whichever side of the fence you find yourself on.

If you have something positive to contribute, go nuts.

Thanks.

The fact that many people slate GW isn't a bad thing; it means people care about them, like they do their parents, or the government they voted for. It would be worse if they were simply ignored.

The success of GW is testified to by the fact that, say, a mere Ork thread gets 10 times as many pages as a Warmachine thread. Or that an "I hate GW and I'm going to play another game" gets far more posts than any thread about that other game.

When it comes down to it, GW built the world around which dakkadakka is based. For all the mistakes, and bureaucracy, they've given more people more fun times than any of their rivals ever have, and probably more than any rival ever will.

The number of exalts for this thread probably does show that many people are still into 40k.

I've got another thing to contribute. I have been reading the rules for other game systems so perhaps that's why thoughts of what I find good keep popping up.

Movement in difficult terrain. I started in 6th Ed mainly so I can't comment about what happened before. I like a random roll to determine your movement in difficult terrain. As compared to moving at half speed as long as you are within terrain etc.

This is because, back in the days when I played WHFB, I used to have to do complicated maths like "so I marched at 10, I moved 4.2 inches till I touched the forest, then to move through the forest I can move a further (10-42.)/2 inches which is 2.9 inches. But since I only clip about 1.3 inches of forest, I would then get an extra (2.9-1.3)x2 inches which is 3.2 inches after I clear the forest......whew!" Well, you get the point.

So I found the random roll neater and faster and less finicky. WHFB may have changed, I wouldn't know, since I stopped at the edition when Steadfast came out. But this is just to illustrate this mechanic.

I remember reading a fluff story in the 2nd edition Chaos Codex about a group of ragtag Chaos veterans marching out of the desert to attack a small, poorly armed outpost (or maybe it was a farm?). The guards had such feeble weapons that bounced off the skull covered power armor. The whole story was very tense and evocative. I've tried to capture that type of feel in early 2nd edition 40k games.

Some of the fluff is garbage and cheesy, but some of it is very memorable, even after all these years.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

The success of GW is testified to by the fact that, say, a mere Ork thread gets 10 times as many pages as a Warmachine thread. Or that an "I hate GW and I'm going to play another game" gets far more posts than any thread about that other game.

Yes but all things being equal those threads would almost certainly have been longer in the past. GW undoubtedly has a smaller market share today than at any time since the early/mid 90's so comparing 40k threads against warmachine threads is all very well but it doesn't really mean all that much.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

The success of GW is testified to by the fact that, say, a mere Ork thread gets 10 times as many pages as a Warmachine thread. Or that an "I hate GW and I'm going to play another game" gets far more posts than any thread about that other game.

Yes but all things being equal those threads would almost certainly have been longer in the past.

Half those posts are negative. I'm not sure that's a good measure to go by. When I want to talk Warmachine, I go to their forum.

I am going to focus on ForgeWorld - the one part of GW that I can fullheartedly endorse.

I really like what they have done with the miniatures, and with rules expansions into eras of the WH40K setting that have been established, but never elaborated upon - their Horus Heresy material is top notch.

I will be honest - a lot of the things that I like best about GW settings are in the past.

The fluff is good, but, in my opinion, has been damaged by the three ring binder approach to setting history - but the further back you look the less corporate meddling has damaged the setting - and Forge World tries to reconcile the old fluff with the new, sometimes to great effect.

The Auld Grump

I just got back into 40k. I hadn't played in a long time but I'm having more fun now than I ever did before. I like what 7th gave us the options to do, and the fact that it says you and your opponent must agree to the armies if you're bringing some crazy/cheesy list to the table. I'm not a big fan of GW pricing or business practices but guess what, those thoughts have never once crossed my mind while throwing dice and shooting/hacking my enemies apart. I like the fluff also and this is coming from a space wolves player. Yes, it would be nice if they could come up with something other than "wolfy mcwolferson wolfed with his wolfy wolves" but the idea of space vikings who are equally good at shooting, close combat, drinking, and fething she wolves is still pretty cool. People can hate all they want, I have no problem finding a game every time I go to the store even if it's on a Wednesday at 13:00 and having a blast while playing whether I win, lose or draw.

I've played every edition, so I think that in itself dictates what I think about the game.

The kits have vastly improved over the years and I really enjoy the quality of their plastic kits. The newer kits fit and finish are top notch and the detail on plastic models still impress me after 25 years in the hobby.

Based on the internet, I am in the minority, but I really enjoy the 7th edition gameplay. I nearly quit during 6th as I felt it, and early 3rd edition were poorly thought out and felt more like playtest editions. 7th, in my opinion, fixed a lot of issues and have played several fun games.

I like that I have a lot of options in the type of game to play. I'm flexible. If someone wants to play 1000 points with no allies, no LoW and just a single FOC, I'm cool. If someone wants to play 3000 points and bring the nastiest thing you can think of, I'm fine with that. And I can play everything in between (I'm still stunned how many tales of the LoW bogeyman apparently just showing up to the FLGS and curbstomping unsuspecting noobs-it's like an urban myth

I enjoy the friendships I've developed over the years mainly b/c of 40K. Friends I met b/c of 40K back in high school and college, I still am in contact with and try to get together for some games once a year (graduated high school in 1991 and college in 1996).

I love the fact that this hobby still allows me to unlock the creativity I possess. My talents were never quite on par to make a living out of, but hand painting and airbrushing all the armies over the years definitely satisfied that itch. I've tried painting models from other ranges, but have put most down in preference to GW's styled minis.

I enjoyed the Horus Heresy novels....up to a point. Come on, now, lets get to the ultimate battle we all want to read.

Choices: I'm spoiled for choices in army and model selection. After all these years, I still get the urge to build and paint a new army after each and every codex release.

Not sure if I'd be considered a fanboy, but I enjoy a lot of aspects in the hobby. I've won Best Painted, Favorite Opponent, Bracket Winner, Best in Codex and other awards at various GTs over the years.

My time over the years have become much more limited, but I still enjoy the fact that I can post something on a facebook page and always get in a game. I can also find a tourney within driving distance every month and a larger, 2 day event every few months within driving distance.

All in all, I enjoy the hobby immensely and do not see myself quitting any time soon.

From what I've seen Yonan, Waynethegame, MWHistorian, Azrael13, Blacksails and other regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

I'm assuming they then PM to congratulate each other on a job well done for derailing another thread that dares to suggest 40k is anything other than broken and cannot be played straight out of the rulebook. The fact that they posted more anti-GW posts than pro is proof positive that they must be right.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Blacksails

My lucky day! I rarely get name dropped. This is exciting!

Oh, and I do still play the game. Kind of ruins that theory.

Oh, and in a black and white world where there's only positive and negative, us vs. them, haters and lovers, maybe you'd have a leg to stand on. Instead, we live in a world with a myriad of shades in between, where someone can like many of the aspects of a product, but dislike many others. Further, opinions shouldn't be judged and weighed by the simple fact they're positive or negative, but by the substance behind them.

Besides, the most negative things I've read are coming from posters like yourself who write the vitriol you just did.

I also haven't gotten PM'd by any of my so called Regular Moaners

But hey, keep living in your simplified world of us vs. them where you dismiss people's opinions out of hand because they're not positive thoughts about GW. Maybe one day you'll start posting with a little bit of courtesy and help make the boards a better place by not creating a divide between players.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen Yonan, Waynethegame, MWHistorian, Azrael13, Blacksails and other regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

I'm assuming they then PM to congratulate each other on a job well done for derailing another thread that dares to suggest 40k is anything other than broken and cannot be played straight out of the rulebook. The fact that they posted more anti-GW posts than pro is proof positive that they must be right.

Would it scare you that I, and every other poster you mention, have come to the opinions we hold completely independently?

The fact that you characterise me as a "moaner" demonstrates you've got no fething clue about my attitude towards GW or the game of 40K. You also fail to account for the fact that I'll quite happily post positive things about things I'm positive about, GW or otherwise. I've never once, to my recollection, posted a negative thing about X Wing or Darklands for instance. I'm also happy to be positive about GW things (such as the Knight) when I feel positive about them. As I frequently have to say when a poster of your 'perspective' pouts and stamps their feet because I won't leave Britney GW alone, if my posts about GW seem negative, it isn't because I want to be negative, it's because the things GW are doing are provoking a negative response.

But then again, you've just further cemented the idea that the "wide eyed fanboys" (and you've no idea how many possible phrases went through my head before I decided to settle on one that wouldn't earn me a Dakka holiday - and some of them would have been totally worth it) have no argument, so just degenerate into name calling and personal attacks.

Because that's all you've got.

I suggest you go and have another couple of glasses of wine and find something else to do except try and wind up people who think differently than you, because I know which one of us will run out of ideas to debate and resort to ad homs first.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen Yonan, Waynethegame, MWHistorian, Azrael13, Blacksails and other regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

I'm assuming they then PM to congratulate each other on a job well done for derailing another thread that dares to suggest 40k is anything other than broken and cannot be played straight out of the rulebook. The fact that they posted more anti-GW posts than pro is proof positive that they must be right.

And yet again, a GW apologist resorts to insults instead of actual discussion. I'm starting to see a pattern here. Oh, and I've reported you for insulting language.

You reported him?!!

I thought we agreed in the video conference that we were going to keep the Mods out of this and teach him a lesson so he didn't mess with the moaners again?

gak, this isn't PMs is it?

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

I thought we agreed in the video conference that we were going to keep the Mods out of this and teach him a lesson so he didn't mess with the moaners again?

gak, this isn't PMs is it?

Do we have a cool table in a darkened room where only our silhouettes can be seen?

 MWHistorian wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

I thought we agreed in the video conference that we were going to keep the Mods out of this and teach him a lesson so he didn't mess with the moaners again?

gak, this isn't PMs is it?

Do we have a cool table in a darkened room where only our silhouettes can be seen?

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

As did I. For not being mentioned by name.

Looks like I've got work to do.

Step up your game if you want to play with the big boys.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

As did I. For not being mentioned by name.

Looks like I've got work to do.

I've already censored you once in the secret PM sessions. Step up your negativity waves so we may bring our plans to fruition.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

As did I. For not being mentioned by name.

Looks like I've got work to do.

You have, up until that point, I hadn't even posted in this thread!!!!

EDIT
In light of tyrannosaurus' startling insights, I have changed my avatar to something more befitting my evil, corrupting nature.

Whoa whoa whoa.

You can't just go and change your avatar like that without warning us.

*Edit* Are you not a DCM Azrael? Could have swore you were.

Tearjerker. How apt.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

The ignore list has become an essential tool to make Dakka even worth browsing these days. But once you've ignored a dozen or so of the repeat offenders, you'll find it really is the same few guys peeing in everyone else's wheaties, and the experience becomes mostly enjoyable.

 Blacksails wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa.

You can't just go and change your avatar like that without warning us.

*Edit* Are you not a DCM Azrael? Could have swore you were.

I really should be, but I've not been working for the last 24 months, and won't be able to until after my surgery in October.

I'm afraid DCM represents essentially a whole months hobby budget, and as worthwhile as it is, and as happy as I would be to become one, my minis aren't just my hobby, but they're part of the mechanism that keeps me (relatively) sane by not being forced to spend all day every day staring at the TV, so what money I can spare goes to their acquisition at the moment.

Top of the list once I'm back in my feet though!


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Massawyrm wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

The ignore list has become an essential tool to make Dakka even worth browsing these days. But once you've ignored a dozen or so of the repeat offenders, you'll find it really is the same few guys peeing in everyone else's wheaties, and the experience becomes mostly enjoyable.

Shutting out all opinions that disagree with your own?

Hey, it worked for North Korea!

I currently have nobody set to ignore, and the only posters I've ever set to ignore are no longer active because they were so rude and abusive in general they got themselves perma-banned, because as mind numbingly dumb as I might find some people's opinions, I'm still happy to allow them the right to express them to me.

On top of that, I am looking to fight other people (hopefully not literally) for one of the Stormclaw boxes my FLGS has because I want to start Space Wolves!

I spent nearly all afternoon working in my Decimator Daemon Engine of Khorne.

Yeah, I hate 40K.

 azreal13 wrote:
I spent nearly all afternoon working in my Decimator Daemon Engine of Khorne.

Yeah, I hate 40K.

Wargaming masochism. It's the new cool thing to do.

We're trendsetters.

I wasn't even mentioned. I feel left out. Guess I'm not one of the cool kids or "grumpy old fart enough".

Positive: enjoy getting models off ebay for armies I'll never play now that I never have to worry about buying the glut of boring or ugly units to put them on the table. Grabbed a metal Warriors of Chaos Khorn Lord on Juggie model that I can't wait to make glorious. Maybe squaring off with someone else on mount, like one of my Bretonnian lords I'm keeping!

And I'm still painting 'gants for charity. (Sarcasm) Stupid 40k and their tournaments raising money for frivolous things like charity. (/Sarcasm)

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I spent nearly all afternoon working in my Decimator Daemon Engine of Khorne.

Yeah, I hate 40K.

Wargaming masochism. It's the new cool thing to do.

We're trendsetters.

Tomorrow, I'm going to try and finish it while spending the whole painting session sat on some 2nd Edition boxed set Gretchin!

 MWHistorian wrote:

And yet again, a GW apologist resorts to insults instead of actual discussion. I'm starting to see a pattern here. Oh, and I've reported you for insulting language.

No ban as yet, but thanks for giving me the heads up . @ TheKbob, apologies for not dropping your name, did cross my mind, but you always follow up an anti-GW comment with something cool that you're working on so I find your posts invariably constructive, apologies

Egad lads, I've got better things to do with my Saturday!

I'm going to lock this thread as I think it's run it's course, and the above page is too much to clean up at the moment. If anyone really thinks it needs re-opening, please send me an eloquent PM describing just why, in fact, that is

In the future, please try not to derail threads in this manner!

So, locking...