Account creation and pre orders for the upcoming MMO: Warhammer 40,000 Eternal Crusade went live today, with various pre order packs available.
Once you have created an account and pre ordered a pack you can make a basic character profile, and you also have access to the "Rogue Trader" section, where you can purchase in game items already.
Below are screenshots of the items available to buy for in game right now, even though you won't be able to use them until.... who knows when?
Latest game footage after the images.
The game itself is not available until next year.
Bear in mind the game is still in Alpha development status.
And the teaser trailer
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, if anyone signs up to the site, using referral code EC-0U9XOIPLB9Z31 ought to bag you some points for the Rogue Trader shop (And for me too).
Looks interesting, really hoping it goes well since we haven't gotten a new and legit good 40K vid game in a while since THQ went down the pooper. Definitely gonna be playing an Ork first to test the waters before going full Stormboy or Painboy.
Ah. Always good to see a game have its real-money store up, running and fully integrated before the actual game itself is even finished. Really shows off the priorities of the people making it.
Ah. Always good to see a game have its real-money store up, running and fully integrated before the actual game itself is even finished. Really shows off the priorities of the people making it.
You mean besides the fact that the community itself asked for it despite thine fiery rhetoric?
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
Yeah saw those, those are kinda wtf and I do hope they re-adjust those prices.
Course they are limited edition things..But still damn.
It all looks standardized at the moment. For example the light Armour of all the races shown is all 5000 points. Does that mean ork light armour is no different to eldar light armour? I hope its not a case of race simply being a different skin with minor abilities such as skyrim.
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
Yeah saw those, those are kinda wtf and I do hope they re-adjust those prices.
Course they are limited edition things..But still damn.
I've never seen a skin, limited edition or not, cost that much. Even in SWTOR the Cartel Coin only mounts are $20 when they aren't on sale, and that is a whole mount! The weapons on that are Cartel Market only are around $6, but on sale frequently for less.
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
Yeah saw those, those are kinda wtf and I do hope they re-adjust those prices.
Course they are limited edition things..But still damn.
This game is a good 18 months away, at least, and you will be paying for a potentially good game, not a final product and no guarantee the game will be any good when/if it is finally released. $35 for a 'exclusive' cosmetic bolter? All these things look purely cosmetic with no in game differences. No thanks. I can't help but feel the dev is exploiting peoples passion for 40k at this point. If they were more honest and ran a decent kickstarter things may be different, as it is I advise everyone to steer clear as there's no guarantee the game will see a full, polished release. By the looks of it you could spend $500+ on this only to play a buggy, unfinished version of Space Marine for almost TWO YEARS Shame on you devs
Again, this is why Early Access/paying for beta access/purchasing incomplete games is foolish. Pre-order is risk/reward, but at least you get the game (or get your money back when it gets canned). Here? No. Plus they have the gall to set up their real-money store before the game is done. I can think of another game that did that. It was called The WarZ. Look it up.
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
Yeah saw those, those are kinda wtf and I do hope they re-adjust those prices.
Course they are limited edition things..But still damn.
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
Yeah saw those, those are kinda wtf and I do hope they re-adjust those prices.
Course they are limited edition things..But still damn.
How's my fiery rhetoric looking now?
Right in one place, still wrong in another.
You guys did notice that you /also/ get 35000 rogue trader points in those limited edition weapon packs, right?
By the way, at the moment it is impossible to do password recovery :( So i cant buy anything until that is fixed. (and I cant make a post because the confirmation emails for new accounts arent sent out either! :()
AWesker1976 wrote: I registered 4 hours ago and still haven't gotten my activation email ( no it's not in my spam folder ) so I can't do anything there.
I pitched in as a lowly Warrior.
Referal code:
EC-4CBTZ879PL949
I didn't get an activation email, but I went into my account on the site and 'Apply'd the pack I bought.
Unless you mean to create an account. I had to migrate mine when I signed in.
FYI the game is paid for, the Founders Program was asked for by the fans. The money gained from the Founder's Program will go towards additional content for launch.
The Founder's weapons and gear are not just vanity items or skins as far as my understanding. They're limited edition items for the Founders. The devs have stated multiple times any in store gear will be similar to their counterparts in game, with slight stat variations. They call them "side grades" versus upgrades. As an example, just grabbing numbers off the top of my head to make a point, a standard bolter will fire a say 500 rounds a minute and do 50 damage a hit, the Founders Bolter in the store will fire 400 rounds a minute and do 60 damage per hit. Or... it might fire 600 rounds a minute at 40 damage per hit.
A 40$ Founder's Pack will buy you a pre-order of the game(which is projected to cost around 50$ or more at launch),will give you early access, and access to the Founder's Store. The higher priced packages are more of an investment in the games future, rather than just buying goodies(which you'll still get goodies)
Behavior has been very interactive with their fans on the forums, more so than any game I've played or been a part of pre launch. If there's something you have questions on or dont like, chime in on the forums and post your concerns. The devs have already made a few changes based off forum polls and player feedback, so our voices and concerns are being heard.
If you do decide to sign up for the Founder's program, if you don't have a buddy already signed up, please use "refer a friend" code I provided below! Thanks!
EC-JDIZDJFROT4FP
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AWesker1976 wrote: I registered 4 hours ago and still haven't gotten my activation email ( no it's not in my spam folder ) so I can't do anything there.
I had the same problem, dont check the "remember me everywhere" option if you're using a credit card, it's bugging out. I had to cancel my order and reorder ... and didnt use the "remember me everywhere" option, purchase went through just fine. There's also PayPal if you're still having problems.
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
That price is exactly the same as for the gold skinned guns available in Planetside 2.
At least the heresy weapons in EC are going to have different (sidegraded) stats.
Also, because I don't want to feel left out here is my referal code - use it when making a Founders Pack purchase and we both get an extra 4,000 RTP
Ahtman wrote: $35 for a looted Bolter?!?! That is insane. I thought about the $40 pre-order founders pack, but that makes me think that may be a bad idea.
That price is exactly the same as for the gold skinned guns available in Planetside 2.
Because someone else did something silly doesn't make it not silly. I suppose it isn't so bad that really you are just buying $35 worth of RT points and getting the skin for free, but the way it is presented makes it look more like it is that price just for a digital weapon.
To even think about putting actual cash into a product that is clearly unfinished is nucking futs, frankly..
$35, the retail cost of a full game btw, for a limited edition re-skin of a weapon you can't use for 18 months?
There are not enough facepalms in the world.....
I'm looking forward to this, of course. But calm down people! If some of you guys throw $70 or more at this, and it turns out to be complete and utter horse gak, what then?
Because I believe the devs had said the PC version will be closer to $50 for the full retail.
sarpedons-right-hand wrote: Are you trying to tell me that there are not games in the US that are finished, in a working state, and are available for $35 or less
How you got from "I don't think the game will be $35 when it comes out" to "there are no games that are $35 or less" is a mystery.
Ahhh, good old crossed wires again. What I said was 'a' retail game. Not the game in question. Of course, if you will just look at a post and not actually read it...
The Founder's weapons and gear are not just vanity items or skins as far as my understanding.
There is a really good acid test to see if a F2P game is worth buying. Do bought items have an ingame advantage? If yes the devs have certainly got their priorities wrong and the game will probably be gak. If no then its possible that the game will be decent.
'Sidegrades' do not bode well. Aside from the fact that the videos portray a game that is far from finished yet there is already a cash shop? Never mind that this game has a retail release.
Spider senses tingling.
It also looks very similar to War of The Roses in a gameplay sense and that is also not something that makes me want to play this game. Looking into my crystal ball I would say that this game will quickly be forgotten.
The Founder's weapons and gear are not just vanity items or skins as far as my understanding.
There is a really good acid test to see if a F2P game is worth buying. Do bought items have an ingame advantage? If yes the devs have certainly got their priorities wrong and the game will probably be gak. If no then its possible that the game will be decent.
'Sidegrades' do not bode well. Aside from the fact that the videos portray a game that is far from finished yet there is already a cash shop? Never mind that this game has a retail release.
Spider senses tingling.
It also looks very similar to War of The Roses in a gameplay sense and that is also not something that makes me want to play this game. Looking into my crystal ball I would say that this game will quickly be forgotten.
Seriously, the community had asked for this. This was not a spur of the moment "HEY LETS OPEN A CASH SHOP" but "Oh hey the fans want to support us, and have suggested this sort of pre-game founders pack shop to do things with, we shall draw it up and show it to them later."
I really don't care. If the devs are happy to pander to the community with a cash shop at a stage when their promotional videos still have grey boxes and look like the game has 10 year old graphics then there are some serious issues with the community, the devs or both. The very fact that time was spent creating the cash shop, and more importantly designing the items, at this early stage of development is really not a good sign.
I really don't care. If the devs are happy to pander to the community with a cash shop at a stage when their promotional videos still have grey boxes and look like the game has 10 year old graphics then there are some serious issues with the community, the devs or both. The very fact that time was spent creating the cash shop, and more importantly designing the items, at this early stage of development is really not a good sign.
yourself.
Of course they could have just made it like most founders packs, where they get pre-set X instead of stuff, this way they allow for them to pick and choose what they desire up till the release date.
Not to mention creating such a cash shop and creating things within it would be easy enough for an artist, while the others are working on the main game itself, it's not as if they don't have teams working various aspects of the game after-all.
Those video's aren't their promotional, they just desire to constantly keep the community in check with what they are doing during the Pre-alpha, they want the fans to know where they are every step of the way.
Palindrome wrote:If the devs are happy to pander to the community with a cash shop at a stage when their promotional videos still have grey boxes and look like the game has 10 year old graphics then there are some serious issues with the community, the devs or both.
Please. You are talking about 40k fans - one of the most expensive hobbies aimed at kids I could think of.
Try looking at it this way:
The devs just did what the community asked for. This is both "listening to the playerbase" as well as following the capitalist principle of supply and demand, something you could hardly fault any company for.
And as for the community, aside from some people really wanting this game very badly, you could think of it as people cautiously probing the developers' philosophy when it comes to their F2P model, wishing to see examples of their cash shop before deciding on whether or not to invest into ongoing development of the game.
And no, I'm neither a dev nor do I have any interest buying anything from them yet - I'm just saying that there's always more than one way to see things.
Those animation assets look like they are lifted directly from Space Marine. Was there some contractual thing with GW that is letting them repurpose stuff from there?
Either way, looks really early and pretty janky still. I saw instant getting in and out of vehicles, which I never like.
I wonder what kind of engine they are building this in?
And no, I'm neither a dev nor do I have any interest buying anything from them yet - I'm just saying that there's always more than one way to see things.
Yes there is although given that currently the shop is selling virtual weapons for around $30 even though the game is still very much in an alpha phase of development my skepticism is far from misplaced. At least Star citizen and the like have the excuse of being a crowd funded game.
Everything that I have seen about this game points to it being a turd.
Of course these are promotional videos, they were released by the devs with the express intention of generating interest in the game.
There is a really good acid test to see if a F2P game is worth buying.
Only the Orks are F2P, and even then only part of the faction.
I feel that they are trying to cater to everybody right now. They have partial F2P, microtransactions if you just want one faction, a full-game-in-a-box option plus subs that just give you more points in the cash shop. It ends up feeling messy.
I agree that stuff available in a cash shop should not give an in game advantage unless it can also be earned through XP in game.
The Devs have said they are going to re-evaluate the prices.
I really hope they pull this game off but at the moment they seem a little hazy.
Palindrome wrote:Yes there is although given that currently the shop is selling virtual weapons for around $30 even though the game is still very much in an alpha phase of development my skepticism is far from misplaced. At least Star citizen and the like have the excuse of being a crowd funded game.
Isn't the gun just a bonus to the shop currency you buy? I admit I've kind of lost track of this game ever since I've accepted the prospect of no SoB, but I believe someone pointed this out on the previous page.
In my opinion, what really matters in these cases is less the price that is being asked for, but what the relevant item actually does in the game - specifically, whether it provides an (unfair) advantage, and/or whether or not you can acquire or unlock that item via normal game progression too.
(for this reason I am far more sceptical towards SC and its classification into "civilian" and "military" ships, depending on how many hundreds of dollars you are willing to spend)
Palindrome wrote:Unity apparently.
Huh, interesting.
I actually think Unity is severely underrated in common perception; you can do a crazy amount of stuff with it (I've recently tested the alpha of Shadowrun Online, and it uses Unity too).
Though the sort of battles they want to depict with it is still a pretty ambitious goal.
Unity is really an excellent platform, however I'm not sure how it will work in this mmo setting.
Regardless of it being unity or not, it looks janky as all get out so far. Like a really weird, messy version of Space Marine (which I happened to quite like the multiplayer in).
The Founder's weapons and gear are not just vanity items or skins as far as my understanding.
There is a really good acid test to see if a F2P game is worth buying. Do bought items have an ingame advantage? If yes the devs have certainly got their priorities wrong and the game will probably be gak. If no then its possible that the game will be decent.
'Sidegrades' do not bode well. Aside from the fact that the videos portray a game that is far from finished yet there is already a cash shop? Never mind that this game has a retail release.
Spider senses tingling.
It also looks very similar to War of The Roses in a gameplay sense and that is also not something that makes me want to play this game. Looking into my crystal ball I would say that this game will quickly be forgotten.
They have already hired individuals to create an in game store, so if they put them to work a bit earlier than expected, or go "live" with the store earlier than expected, I dont see how that can be bad for the community. Especially if you consider it was the FANS that were asking for it. There's also the added advantage of having their store up and running a full year and some change before the game goes live, so you would think that the store should be rock solid for launch. But that would shed things in a positive light, and it's clear you only want to see the negative.
You're not hot on the game, I can respect that. However, if you're going to quote me, at least post what I said about the weapons, instead of only using the lines that reinforce your false assumptions. And don't start with the fanboy comments please. I'm very critical of the developers often over in the EC forums, and dont want to see Pay to Win, or any other gimmicks or lore breaking elements that aren't worthy of the 40K Trademark.
The Founder's weapons and gear are not just vanity items or skins as far as my understanding. They're limited edition items for the Founders. The devs have stated multiple times any in store gear will be similar to their counterparts in game, with slight stat variations. They call them "side grades" versus upgrades. As an example, just grabbing numbers off the top of my head to make a point, a standard bolter will fire a say 500 rounds a minute and do 50 damage a hit, the Founders Bolter in the store will fire 400 rounds a minute and do 60 damage per hit. Or... it might fire 600 rounds a minute at 40 damage per hit.
If you read the FAQ or anything about the future of the in game store, it would be more than apparent the fan base NOR the developers want "Pay to Win" to exist in any form in Eternal Crusade.
However, if you're going to quote me, at least post what I said about the weapons, instead of only using the lines that reinforce your false assumptions.
I reduced the quote for the sake of brevity and I specifically mention sidegrades within the text of the post.The very fact that these bought items have differing in game abilities, which is what the devs themselves have stated, is what I find suspicious and frankly it does not bode well.
However, if you're going to quote me, at least post what I said about the weapons, instead of only using the lines that reinforce your false assumptions.
I reduced the quote for the sake of brevity and I specifically mention sidegrades within the text of the post.The very fact that these bought items have differing in game abilities, which is what the devs themselves have stated, is what I find suspicious and frankly it does not bode well.
When did I even mention fanboys?
You didn't, much as I checked through them.
Though I don't mind sidegrades, but I'm not one to care for exclusive things, I just wanted to show my support and buy cool things really.
They have already hired individuals to create an in game store, so if they put them to work a bit earlier than expected, or go "live" with the store earlier than expected, I dont see how that can be bad for the community. Especially if you consider it was the FANS that were asking for it. There's also the added advantage of having their store up and running a full year and some change before the game goes live, so you would think that the store should be rock solid for launch. But that would shed things in a positive light, and it's clear you only want to see the negative.
To be blunt, the company shouldn't have hired those individuals until the game is past alpha/prealpha stage. Whether the store is "rock solid for launch" or not, it should be low on their priorities considering the pedigree(or lack thereof) of the developers.
If you read the FAQ or anything about the future of the in game store, it would be more than apparent the fan base NOR the developers want "Pay to Win" to exist in any form in Eternal Crusade.
And yet...you have to pay to play any race beyond Orks, correct?
If you read the FAQ or anything about the future of the in game store, it would be more than apparent the fan base NOR the developers want "Pay to Win" to exist in any form in Eternal Crusade.
And yet...you have to pay to play any race beyond Orks, correct?
If you read the FAQ or anything about the future of the in game store, it would be more than apparent the fan base NOR the developers want "Pay to Win" to exist in any form in Eternal Crusade.
And yet...you have to pay to play any race beyond Orks, correct?
It's play to play with a 'free' ork boyz option.
If you are about to equate that to Pay to Win...
You already have the option of a "paid item store" where likely NOTHING will have level requirements.
That remains to be seen. None of these signs are promising, true. As long as they maintain a free currency alongside the real money store, they'll be no more pay to win than Mechwarrior Online or League of Legends. If you can grind for a month and unlock a Space Marine, then I have no problem with the model.
You already have the option of a "paid item store" where likely NOTHING will have level requirements.
So yeah, it's going to be Pay to Win.
The best option is to have paid items begin restricted to cosmetic equipment and the like. The second best outcome would be something like World of Tanks but that remains to be seen.
WoT has tanks that you can buy in most tiers and they are better in terms of being able to make more in game money, cheaper to repair etc but in terms of relative power they are pretty average, some are even sub par and the few that are too powerful have a habit of being removed from the store.
I have no idea if Eternal Crusade can manage to do as well as WoT's model given the almost complete lack of information available but F2P games tend to do very poorly in this area so the onus is very much on Behaviour Interactive to show that the game will not be pay to win. As I have already said I have my doubts although I have much more serious doubts about the quality of the actual game itself.
F2P games do amazing. No video game model is more successful than F2P with the sole exception of WoW - and some F2P games (in Asia) even do more than WoW.
Sigvatr wrote: ...and the free race is considerably weaker than SM
The devs have said that a good Ork player should be able to take out a Marine one to one.
But they have also said that the power ratio is 3:1 in favour of the Marines. Which is fitting to the TT game but will make a lot of free players quit and others pay to unlock SM.
Paid Ork players will potentially act as mobile spawn points and AoE buffers. IF the greenskins can get a decent sized zerg going things might work.
My biggest fears for this game are that there will be a mass of Marines or that many players will try and folks simply avoiding a fight.
Behaviour are going to have to work hard to make the Xeno races attractive. So good zerging mechanics for the Orks, lots of character anf fun. Eldar having the ability to be more hit and run and offering the option for female characters (other than just Banshees).
I remain hopeful yet sceptical. WAR made a lot of promises but failed because they tried to make too big a play area and had odd notions of balance. And out right lied to fans.
I would love this game to work but it isn't going to be easy. Behaviours seem to be trying to be honest and clarify things but some questions that have come up are things they should have thought of before speaking. I get that they want to involve people very early on but with things changing so rapidly and the confused comms they aren't helping themselves.
I got involved with Planetary Annihilation at quite early on...and the guys at Uber got their point across more professionally.
I remain hopeful yet sceptical. WAR made a lot of promises but failed because they tried to make too big a play area and had odd notions of balance. And out right lied to fans
Most of which came about due to the fact EA forced them to release far too early to get on that mmo gravy train they thought they would get, they didn't have two classes implemented or a main city up yet!
But they have also said that the power ratio is 3:1 in favour of the Marines.
They also said that this was in comparison to a standard Ork Boy, while better equipped boy and Nobz can fight pretty well.
Games Workshop's Warhammer universe is so vast it's hard to believe that Warhammer 40000: Eternal Crusade is the first MMO based on 40K. Developed by Behaviour Interactive, Eternal Crusade is a long way from release, giving the likes of myself plenty of time to catchup on at least one fragment of Warhammer lore. Nevertheless, Mike and I got a very early (and very brief) look at the title.
Behaviour, which has homes in both Montreal and Chile and is one of Canada’s largest independent studios and has previously developed for big names such as Disney, Activision Blizzard, Bethesda, Ubisoft and others, but are now focusing on their own work, including Eternal Crusade. Described as a massive combat RPG in a grim and bloody, everyone-will-die "space fantasy" (not sci-fi, as the developers were quick to point out) setting, the campaign's story was written by best-selling author Graham McNeil, responsible for Warhammer 40000 and some 36 novels. As a player, you won't be fed the story via cutscenes, but instead discover it piece by piece through your actions.
Currently, the game would be hosted in a single server without a need for separate instances, with up to 1000 players in a single battle, although this only applies to PvP. It's also the first title to embed Razer's VOIP software in-game, so players need not resort to text chat or look for external voice chats, such as Teamspeak, to communicate with their teammates. Exactly how large-scale will the game world be? To run across 400 kilometres will take players 45 real-time minutes.
The PvP-centric title will offer up four classes of the Warhammer variety rather than the traditional MMO roles of tank, DPS and healer. Rather, factions consist of savage Orks, Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, and mysterious Eldars, with each having at least four chapters available at launch. The hive mind Tyranids will also make an appearance as NPCs, but you want to watch out for them as you gain more territorial control. Boltguns, chainswords, riot shields, jump packs, psychic powers and more lay at your disposal, whether you're in open-field combat or breaking into a stronghold, and there are also tank fights to be had, though be aware that friendly fire is turned on. As combat is more action and skill-based than level-based, you will have access to unlockable classes, various skills, and loadout options depending on your playstyle, and equipment dependent on the faction you choose.
Each player starts out with their own orbiting Strike Cruiser, a key personal space for teams to regroup in between battles. Players group up into squads of 4-10 players, and leaders as well as commanders issue orders and ask for support, such as calling tanks into battle. Sure, you don't have to follow his or her orders, but you're rewarded for doing so. Hierarchy isn't limited to the battlefield however, as Eternal Crusade will feature a campaign system and territorial control. There will frequently be new goals and objectives to fulfill as well as two PvE modes available at launch, including a horde-mode type as seen in Gears of War.
Currently, the plan is to make Eternal Crusade a buy-to-play title, with a free-to-play option to play as an Ork. Even now, players have the ability via the Founder Program to purchase points to acquire in-game items in the Rogue Trader (with new items being added constantly), as well as options to purchase some unique weapons. There are options to fit all kinds of player budgets, and naturally, the more points you buy, the better deal you receive in return.
So how does the game look so far? While we did get a glance, Eternal Crusade is in its very early stages, so much of the limited footage had mostly placeholders in the environments, but what little we did see involved some pretty intense combat. As Behaviour Interactive plans to show the game little by little by way of teaser videos over the next eighteen months, we cannot expect a full launch before late 2015 for PC, Mac and SteamOS; the team hopes to release it on next-gen consoles as well. Will it satiate any craving Warhammer fans might have for an MMO in their universe? It's far too early to tell, but I would definitely keep an eye on this one by way of its recently-opened official website, though we'll keep you updated as well.
Ork boys were also said to power up when mobbed up so a large group of them is more powerful than going solo, though we'll see how well it works in practice once released.
But they have also said that the power ratio is 3:1 in favour of the Marines.
What a terrible mechanic. It may be 'realistic' but making F2P customers, many of whom will be using the free game as demo, mere fodder is not going to entice people to stay with the game.
But they have also said that the power ratio is 3:1 in favour of the Marines.
What a terrible mechanic. It may be 'realistic' but making F2P customers, many of whom will be using the free game as demo, mere fodder is not going to entice people to stay with the game.
I disagree. All P2W games rely on such a mechanic where paying customers gain a significant advantage over non-customers and the latter might then be motivated (by frustration) to get on their level. Or just quit the game altogether.
The decision to go for all business models at once was (is) not a good idea. You will be reduced to F2P, as there is such an option, and from that perspective, this would be one of the harshest P2W systems out there.
Sigvatr wrote: I disagree. All P2W games rely on such a mechanic where paying customers gain a significant advantage over non-customers and the latter might then be motivated (by frustration) to get on their level.
A pay to win game is not what anyone wants, not even the devs if they want the game to have any kind of longevity, and as such this really is a terrible mechanic.
Medium of Death wrote: PVP will probably have bigger Ork teams if that's the case. I could see people getting behind that if it's well done.
That, of course, is the idea. That the attraction of effectively demoing the game as a limited part of the Ork faction will attract a lot of players to the game. Given that they will probably zerg from one spot to another it could be quite Orky.
However, I have grave concerns that many players will either quit or simply pay to unlock the Space Marines who have been kicking their arse.
As has been pointed out - and I apologize for not making it clear I was talking about F2P Ork Boyz / Whatever other classes they play other Orks will be commensurately tougher and stronger.
Which is fine if the Orks have even roughly equivalent numbers.
There is a poll in the Founder-Only forum at the moment asking which faction people will be 'maining'. At the time of writing the scores are:
Space Marines: 65 votes
Chaos Space Marines: 28 votes
Orks 14 Votes
Eldar 23 votes
Undecided: 12 votes.
Looking at that does nothing to quell my unease. Unless the leaders of the three other factions effectively declare a non-aggression treaty with each other, and the Tyranid bots do a cracking job of keeping the SM off-balance things are not going to play very well.
If there's enough incentive to play Orks, even 'subbing' players might drop in to play them sometimes.
With enough account-wide credit amassed while playing Orks, they build up enough to get an SM upgrade, and they swap back into their Imperial toon.
Unless that's not how it works...
Looking at that does nothing to quell my unease. Unless the leaders of the three other factions effectively declare a non-aggression treaty with each other, and the Tyranid bots do a cracking job of keeping the SM off-balance things are not going to play very well.
I wouldn't get too worked up yet, you might find by the time the game is out and people start playing they'll enjoy one play style over the others. Hopefully Marines/Chaos Marines are fairly difficult to play if they are going to be powerful.
They could even stay true to fluff, and make Orks a race with tremendous endgame potential. Unlock an SM, there isn't a limit for how big an Ork can get or what nonsense a mek can wire onto a buggy.
For that matter, give a Mek access to a Shokk Attack gun down the line, and you will see players stick with it. There really isn't any comparable Space Marine man portable weaponry out there.
The intoxicating thing about Orks was their unique combination of two elements- they're dirt cheap, but they have tremendous potential. This game is nailing the cheap part. If they give them the potential too, you'll see tons of players stick with Orks.
My main gripe with the game, despite the blatant pay-to-win right now, is that it really looks like one of the oh-so-many projects that try to do a lot of different things at the same time, ultimatively failing at succeeding in any given individual area.
Ahtman wrote: Do we know how long the Founders program will be up? I mean the game is 18 months away so it doesn't seem like there is a big rush.
They release in 18 months...and they only have hit an alpha stage?!?
Well. That doesn't bode well at all.
Alpha stage seems about right for a year and a half out.
Not for a game that has been in development for roughly a year and a half and from a developer that has relatively little to their name. You're looking at 3 years development time for the type of game which takes bigger studios roughly 4-4.5 years dev time when they are transitioning from other types of games.
As of right now, this is a Call of Duty development cycle. Alpha a year and a half out is not good, contrary to what you might think. Usually when you see "alpha" stuff going public, it's been engaged for six or seven months prior.
The gameplay also looks like a step down from Space Marine, even if a parrying feature is something I really wanted. The player models look like the miniatures rather than the art, this is not a good thing.
But they have also said that the power ratio is 3:1 in favour of the Marines.
What a terrible mechanic. It may be 'realistic' but making F2P customers, many of whom will be using the free game as demo, mere fodder is not going to entice people to stay with the game.
who says they are all players? having players be nobs or boy bosses who usually have large squads of trash boys around for fodder sounds really fun
Ashiraya wrote: If the TTK is anything to go by, I am displeased.
The gameplay also looks like a step down from Space Marine, even if a parrying feature is something I really wanted. The player models look like the miniatures rather than the art, this is not a good thing.
You mean besides the fact that the textures aren't fully in place yet?
Unless of course you are the fodder. That has 'bad player experience' written all over it.
Actually I was kinda hoping for a Cultist Class for Chaos myself, I would sacrifice myself and many others to summon daemons! TEAM CANNON FODDER
Ashiraya wrote: The gameplay also looks like a step down from Space Marine
That's the norm for MMOs. If a multi-player game is made off the back of a single-player game, expect a loss of features to make way for functionality.
It does look a lot like Space Marine (grenade locator), and as a pre-alpha, looks promising. More variety in moves would be nice, but there's time for all that.
Meh. The game so far seems to be going the right way, the devs listen to their community, they seem to care and they keep insisting that the available weapons will be sidegrades rather than flat out upgrades. Planetside is a great example of being able to do that - most the non-basic weapons are situational and more about your personal preferences and playstyle rather than upgrades of existing ones. Sure, some turn out to be better than others, but remember that Terran Republic Light Assault's regular TRAC-5 turned out to be, in most situations, the best LA weapon available, so it's perfectly possible and if the devs keep listening, it'll also be like that with Eternal Crusade, take a chill pill, guys.
Most of the 'concerns' and 'arguments' people here make are the lowest case of cheap sensationalism based on what someone said somewhere in another topic or on another forum. Relax, read about it, try to not get stupidly biased, THEN make your own opinion, don't hop on any bandwagon yet, you're all intelligent, reasonable men(and/or women) capable of thinking for yourself.
Another thing is the model. I love how people are so hell-bent on calling it a F2P game when it's 95% paid one with only one class for one faction being free to play and openly advertised from even before the game was in it's programming stage as being much weaker and meant to use F2P players as fodder / human NPCs that actually -could- do something in battle anyway. I, for one, love that idea - works perfectly with the fluff, gives people ability to take part in the conflict and lets them see the epic battles. If they want to continue as a Boy, they're free to. They might have a few friends to run in bunches - power ratio aside, a single (let's say Marine) player is quite unlikely to just kill 5 other players with weaker guns in a shooter. They can outflank him, they can spray at him - he'll not be invincible, just tougher, but that's still five guns shooting at a person that can shoot at one target at a time, so it's doable. Although I'll bash the devs if they put -too many- restrictions on Boyz. Being weaker and expected to fight in bigger groups is one thing, but denying them mechanics(like being unable to spawn vehicles more than once a day, for example) would be another. We want them to feel like measly Boyz, not second class citizens of the real world.
But again - so far everything seems to be heading the right way, so let's not get biased and sensationalist without a reason. If people wanted a store and founder program, then cool. Not like it'd take ages and a fortune to develop them and both sides get what they want - money and shinies respectively. Not like we -have- to buy them if we don't want(I'm saying we but, to be honest I haven't bought it yet, kek). Of course there's always the thing that those things could've been available in-game without paying, but it seems that they'll be a bit different from the regular ones, so they've obviously been designed just to be sold, rather than taken out of the existing pool and sold in DLCs.
I'm personally looking forward to playing it, but as of yet I'm a bit too cautious(and poor) to invest money in it. I probably will at some point(come on, it's Space Marine with Planetside 2-like open world!), but the time is hardly pressing, with one and a half year until release.
Klerych wrote: Most of the 'concerns' and 'arguments' people here make are the lowest case of cheap sensationalism based on what someone said somewhere in another topic or on another forum. Relax, read about it, try to not get stupidly biased, THEN make your own opinion, don't hop on any bandwagon yet, you're all intelligent, reasonable men(and/or women) capable of thinking for yourself.
Don't attempt to pass of other peoples misgivings as mindless hipsterism. I have real concerns about the gameplay shown so far (which isn't likely to change even though the game is only in alpha), the Monetisation model and the developers track record. You may think that the game will be the best thing ever but don't be so blind as to ignore areas of real concern.
Klerych wrote: Most of the 'concerns' and 'arguments' people here make are the lowest case of cheap sensationalism based on what someone said somewhere in another topic or on another forum. Relax, read about it, try to not get stupidly biased, THEN make your own opinion, don't hop on any bandwagon yet, you're all intelligent, reasonable men(and/or women) capable of thinking for yourself.
Don't attempt to pass of other peoples misgivings as mindless hipsterism. I have real concerns about the gameplay shown so far (which isn't likely to change even though the game is only in alpha), the Monetisation model and the developers track record. You may think that the game will be the best thing ever but don't be so blind as to ignore areas of real concern.
I never said that I think it's the best thing ever, nor blind - I'm very cautious and I'm not going to buy it until I'm sure it's worth my money. While the choice of studio raises some concerns, so far they're doing fine, we'll see if they keep doing the right things later. The monetisation isn't any different than that in Planetside 2, which is largely okay, if not bit expensive, but it's vanity items you definetely don't need. If people wanted the store, the developers would be mentally impaired if they didn't provide. Seriously, can't think of any company that wouldn't do that, so let's not suddenly turn them into monsters - you don't have to buy their gak and developing a store like that doesn't take too much resources nor focus, so they didn't waste any precious amount of development time on it and it's doing fine - until we get -real- signs of them going the wrong way, acting like it's a terrible problem at this point is just plain stupid. If you're concerned that it might be the case then, sure, wait with buying it to see for yourself - I know I am doing that right now. Won't buy until I'm sure I will like it.
And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).
And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).
It looks like a hybrid between Space Marine and War of the Roses, neither of which are games that I would class as good. A single server also means that there is a serious risk of the game being dominated by zergs.
And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).
It looks like a hybrid between Space Marine and War of the Roses, neither of which are games that I would class as good. A single server also means that there is a serious risk of the game being dominated by zergs.
Aside from that it just look boring.
Both of which are actually acceptable games by most people. I know I enjoy both.
And out of pure curiosity - what kinds of gameplay issues make you so concerned about it? So far it seems to play exactly like Space Marine game, but with open world a'la Planetside 2, expanded melee and resurrection/finishing off mechanics(and of course vehicles).
It looks like a hybrid between Space Marine and War of the Roses, neither of which are games that I would class as good. A single server also means that there is a serious risk of the game being dominated by zergs.
Aside from that it just look boring.
Not to mention, you can probably avoid the zergfest, but where the zergfest can't be found, well... That's the hunting grounds of the SUPER SERIOUS omgpro clans.
I have heard that they will move over to EC from Space Marine (Whose multiplayer they are currently absolutely swarming)
Actually look at Planetside 2. Zergfest, while effective at dominating majority of the map, soon loses it's momentum, especially when rush hours for that particular faction end and there's not enough people to keep pressing on while holding other outposts. Funnily enough it's pretty balanced and as soon as the offensive loses it's momentum and ends up in a long battle of attrition at some fortified base, the zergfest force crumbles, so it's perfectly fine.
If factions are balanced stat-wise, players will balance themselves out. Some factions will dominate for a moment, then they'll start losing ground and another will rise, and so on.
It's more like a demo run, but they picked Ork because they felt that zerging large amounts of boyz fits orks the best, along with some player perception of free to play players.
They can still access things but things will be slower for them.
It's known as the Free to WAAAAGH!
If you don’t want to buy a game key, you can still try the Free-to-Waaagh mode and play Eternal Crusade as an Ork Character. In contrast to the premium Ork progression, some options will be locked off, but you’ll be able to go anywhere and fight for the Waaagh! If you like it, but don’t want to pay the full price, you can unlock some of the missing options with micro-transactions.
Sigvatr wrote:Wait, wait, wait, so that means that you have to pay ingame currency EVERY TIME you want to spawn as a specific class?
Sounds pretty similar to Planetside's MAX suits.
That depends on what the 'currency' is.
The Planetside MAX suits use 'resources' which you quickly gain and cap out, which you spend on Grenades to stop grenade spam in a certain time (if you spend it all on grenades, you have to wait a few minutes to regen the resources to buy more grenades of MAX suits).
If it's like certs, then those are the things you spend on permanent upgrades like new guns or missiles for your vehicles. Those are earned slowly from playing and are more like an actual currency.
It says you use in-game currency to spawn as a powerful type.
That suggests that after enough kills you get enough points to upgrade after your next death.
Skinnereal wrote: It says you use in-game currency to spawn as a powerful type.
That suggests that after enough kills you get enough points to upgrade after your next death.
Which still depends on exactly what 'in game currency' is. Planetside 2 for example has cert points and infantry/vehicle resources, both of which could be classed as in game currency yet function quite differently. Certs are slow to acquire and buy unlocks while resources are easy to acquire and unlock limited use equipment and vehicle spawns.
Given the context, I was assuming the former rather than the latter, simply because it's more sensible and this is how it's been done before, in games they already mentioned they are drawing inspiration from.
In other words: for the time being, I see no reason to panic.
PS1 had 20 levels, and only 1 cert per level, IIRC.
So, selecting character roles was far more restricted. A character could only take a couple of roles, even at higher levels.
There are lots of ways 40k:EC could go, so we just need to make sure we get to steer it when we can.
Well it's a mass multiplayer online game... Just because it isn't a click and wait simulator like WoW and it's clones doesn't stop it from being an mmo
I do like how the the studio head (forgot his name) saw the pricing for the Heresy era items and was like "that's ridiculous" so they're trying to come up with a way give the people who bought them something worth the money spent instead of JUST a fancy gun cosmetic.
Dunno if you guys get the news letter but the devs are going to be on Twitch streaming a tank fight on 8/8 1330 to 1430 EDT. I have to work (nyehhhh) so i'll miss out on it.
unless something has changed the store bought items are essentially just cosmetic, the stats are identical or +1 somewhere -1 somewhere to similar items you can acquire in game.
Shame on you 
