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Stormclaw is the second instalment in the Sanctus Reach Campaign, and continues the narrative begun in Sanctus Reach: The Red Waaagh! It tells the tale of the blood-soaked battle between Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze and Warlord Grukk Face-rippa.

This multi-part plastic boxed set contains two forces - Orks and Space Wolves and two never before seen plastic character models: Krom Dragongaze and Grukk Face-rippa.

The Space Wolves Force includes: Krom Dragongaze, 1 Space Wolf Pack of 10 miniatures and 5 Wolf Guard Terminators.

The Ork Force includes: Grukk Face-rippa, 5 Ork Nobz, 3 Killa Kans and 10 Gretchin with a Runtherd.

The 32 page Stormclaw Campaign Supplement contains three missions that use the miniatures in the box and details the bloody confrontation between Grukk and Krom as they clash on the Blistered Isle. There are also Datasheets for every unit in the box including Grukk and Krom, plus two new Formations.

The boxed set also includes a handy small-format paperback edition of Warhammer 40,000: The Rules.

This is a limited quantity product - ensure you don’t miss out by ordering your copy today.

Its of great value, isn't it? And a rule book is included which was denied by the rumors.

What I'm complaining is that its a limited edition.

My complaint is that I'd have to buy the box set to get the mini rulebook, or wait until they show up on eBay.

I just want a small rulebook. No strings attached, just sell me the small rulebook.

The is good value though. If there were more of these sets for all the factions, I'd be a lot happier.

I think it is awesome. Ork and SW models are just what I need.

Awesome. Contains new lore and rules for both 2 special characters and their formations. And includes 2 limited models. I think it's neat to play out a battle with specific forces.

Awesome.

i think it is a great deal who doesnt need more nobz grots and kanz probably gonna sell the space wolves models

AOBR was awesome, DV was amazing. This boxed set? I'll pass. Theres just nothing really that usable here.

And I do play orks.

 Blacksails wrote:
My complaint is that I'd have to buy the box set to get the mini rulebook, or wait until they show up on eBay.

I just want a small rulebook. No strings attached, just sell me the small rulebook.

The is good value though. If there were more of these sets for all the factions, I'd be a lot happier.

Then wait. It's not a big deal. Who knows, when the small rule book is on sale 8th edition will be just right around the corner.

As for people complaining it's limited, that is a sales tactic. It increases more impulse buys. I wasn't going to get one, but then thought, OMG, it's limited time, I need to get it. Then I realized it's not really that important and if I don't get it, I don't get it. There will be so many more to come.

Problem I think now is, if, GW keeps releasing these limited runs, we will get so use to them, will we really care afterwards? Right now it's new and exciting, I am sure we will get use to it and not care afterwards. Just look at Gork and Mork. When it was released we the community didn't really get excited for it did we? Mind you price and rules played a big factor into it, but then again, Imperial Knights had crappy rules and price and the community was so excited for that.

So will we care for these releases with more price increases in the future?

Great if you want SW or Orcs

if you don't hit up the second hand market for the book and/or campaign (which will show up there)

and because there is not (a lot) new in terms of models I'm sure we'll see more campaign sets with different factions represented once this one sells out

I love it, but mostly for the campaign. I play orks and my best mate plays space wolves so it's pretty perfect - and we can always use some new bodies on the field.

I want it but the cost is not something that I'm willing to pay to have to try and sell the Space Wolves. Especially after buying a metric ton of Ork stuff.

I just would really want it for the new Facerippa model and the missions.

For me the 10 Grots and KKs let the Ork side down a lot.
I mean why not just bundle in 20 or 25 Grots to make it worthwhile? I think KKs got a big nerfbat too so cant see the appeal there.
The SW stuff is nice, love the Termy models and Lord.
Wouldnt be worth investing in for me though =/

Mini rulebook is cool but Ipad version handier.

I am, believe it or not, really excited and likely to pick it up. I've thought off and on for nearly 20 years about starting Space Wolves.

I would go in for it.. If it was not limited edition

Seriously this is what peeved me off about it, I wanted the Ork models and wanted to go half's with a friend, just for the Plastic Grukk model, however A) At this moment in time I do not have the cash and B ) I don't like this "Impulse buy, Impulse buy, Impulse buy" GW is trying to push with this set..

Also the fact that GW does not have a plastic Warboss model yet however this model would have been great for that purpose, yet its only limited edition... Are GW trying to remove finecast as I heard quite a few times?



Apart from that I'm just waiting out and see how much the Warboss mini will sell on Ebay..

I like it.

I think creating a bundle of units which ties in to recent or upcoming codexs is a good strategy.

Hope they do a Tau one and do a plastic version of shadowsun.

It's already sold out. Prepare for everyone to love the set and hate the release.

Massawyrm wrote:
It's already sold out. Prepare for everyone to love the set and hate the release.

for the love of the god emperor, really? that's the lamest thing GW have ever done. I hope they extend the release of it. Maybe they've just sold out of the copies they have but the "we're selling this" window isn't closed?

I can still pre-order it on the GW site. Is it maybe sold out in the US?

 aj laveaux wrote:

Massawyrm wrote:
It's already sold out. Prepare for everyone to love the set and hate the release.

for the love of the god emperor, really? that's the lamest thing GW have ever done. I hope they extend the release of it. Maybe they've just sold out of the copies they have but the "we're selling this" window isn't closed?

Could be like the Militarum Tempestus or whatever it was called book, didn't that go "no longer available" for a while before coming back?

But yes. Now they'll think that limited releases are the best way to sell things, since they sell out almost instantly.

Yes, it's a limited edition.

No, no one has EVER brought out a limited edition item and then put it back on sale again sometime after the fact.

Clearly, this is just more absolute hard proof of the conspiracy.

These limited prints are pretty dumb. But I figure GW is just extremely cautious about their "hurry and buy now!" limited 7E fall-out that took months to actually sell through.

Just hurry out and grab this limited edition product, guys:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/The-Hobbit-Escape-from-Goblin-Town-Limited-Edition-ENG

Really good value and it has some nice unique models inside, not surprised it sold out on the main website so quickly.

FYI: The campaign supplement is something like the Dark Vengeance one, not the Sanctus Reach book proper.

The Sanctus Reach book tells you that if you need/want to field Grukk without having access to the Stormclaw rules?
Just field a Warboss with a Power Klaw.

I approve.

Making it limited edition is a bad idea, but that's the only complaint I really have. Well I guess I'd include Fenrisian Wolves, but that's just because I think Fenrisian Wolves are supercool.

If this is the next wave of GW marketing. I'm impressed. That was fast for a company. They saw rapid release alone doesn't do it. They started putting there money where their mouth is. Forge a Narrative. They talked it. Now they are doing it. Bravo gents.

Total side note. My FLGS asked me if I wanted to preorder. I considered then passed. Then 4 hours later regretted it called back.... They were done taking orders. They reached their limit. I'm a a-hole. SOB.... I want one.

 Blacksails wrote:
I just want a small rulebook. No strings attached, just sell me the small rulebook.

It suddenly occurred to me: If they do more of these boxes, we'll end up with lots of mini-rulebooks. I don't want lots of mini-rulebooks!

If 7th and other GW shenanigans hadn't stopped me playing, I would have bought this despite not liking SWs and not having much interest in Orks. I like the idea of a stream of small good value campaign boxes and would happily build a number of small armies for multiple factions that I wouldn't otherwise consider especially if they gave the option of playing some narrative campaigns. As is however, with the rules as bad as they are I'd only consider these for modeling - and what's in the box is not of interest to me in that regard.

Related, it seems to have already sold out - another thing I dislike about GW is the constant limited quantities for whatever reasons - impulse buying, poor ability to estimate demand and so on.

Im mad it's sold out already, was gonna buy one last night! I said "nahhh ill do it tommorow", bam sold out =(

 lobbywatson wrote:
If this is the next wave of GW marketing. I'm impressed. That was fast for a company. They saw rapid release alone doesn't do it. They started putting there money where their mouth is. Forge a Narrative. They talked it. Now they are doing it. Bravo gents.

Total side note. My FLGS asked me if I wanted to preorder. I considered then passed. Then 4 hours later regretted it called back.... They were done taking orders. They reached their limit. I'm a a-hole. SOB.... I want one.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, their financials are forging a completely different narrative. More in 11 days...

I find it weird they put a dude in power armor on a terminator sized base. Maybe he's compensating for a small frost weapon? Or his wolfy BO is just that potent?

 TheKbob wrote:
I find it weird they put a dude in power armor on a terminator sized base. Maybe he's compensating for a small frost weapon? Or his wolfy BO is just that potent?

Base size isn't always based on the size of the model, it's their ego and self-confidence.

Hrm. Is this limited edition stuff really that smart, I wonder? I mean, did people buy it because it was 'limited edition' or because it was a good value- I think its the latter. And if that's the case, they could have sold more (and made more profits) if it wasn't limited edition.

Seems like they put a lot of bad models in to the box. Foot HQs, WolfGuard Terminators , Killar Kans are all useless models. But the small rule book is something people will want to have. I guess the set will destroy the resell value of SW a lot.

I'm assuming they made it limited edition as a stopgap while the DV sets got updated with the small 7th rulebook. Either that or they wanted to reduce the risk from producing something new. I'm sure the profits took a bashing from Dreadfleet and The Hobbit.

Having said that it's damn good value, and when bought from a discounter is even better. Total Wargamer are doing it for £53.50 not including shipping [okay you'll probably have to wait for a month for it to arrive, but still]

Makumba wrote:
Seems like they put a lot of bad models in to the box. Foot HQs, WolfGuard Terminators , Killar Kans are all useless models. But the small rule book is something people will want to have. I guess the set will destroy the resell value of SW a lot.

Yup. that's why it was such a failure.

Anyway, when our copy arrives, we'll sell our spacewolves, including the unique figure; the sale for our big rulebook ends tonight on eBay. I reckon we'll get a bunch of free Ork models, and some extra $$$, over what we had before.

Essentially, this set means a free Kan wall for us. I can handle that kind of exploitation from GW.

In general, more sets ike this also means more minirulebooks around, which is a good thing for anyone who doesn't want to spend £40 or £50 on one.

Or, ahem, otherwise obtaining the rules.

I personally think it's a nice set. The limited edition factor kills it, though.

Being limited as in available for 2-3 months would be fine, especially if followed up by another one. Being limited as in selling out within a couple of days is not. For every good thing GW does, like making this box, they do something ridiculous to piss people off again, like not letting people buy this box.

You know what. At first I was really gutted about it having sold out. But then I realised that I didn't actually need more nobz and grotz, I don't run war bosses without power armour and GW are gonna have to work very hard to write an Ork campaign that is better than IA8.

I think I would have looked at my bank balance towards the end of the month and regretted buying it... but I still want it.

I just want the Wolf Lord, but I'm sure there'll be a few on eBay.

Of course I don't run Wolf Lords on foot anyway, so he's pretty pointless.

My bother and I went halves on it. He managed to get the pre-order in on time. I'm actually looking forward to it.

Although I don't play 7th (2nd is the way to go), I really enjoy fighting little campaigns with a limited force.

Plus, with me playing 2nd, I have nearly 1000pts of Wolves for around £40. Valuetown baby

I think doing a limited edition run is a risky business for GW, especially like this. Its essentially another middle finger in the face for people who wanted the new rules addendums etc in a mini-rulebook.

The minis are alright, some nice even. But the way it was presented, just really annoys me. I find it irksome....GW is a big massive IRK.

Considering the plan appears to be to have a hell lot of these "versus" sets (every two codices is the suspicion), I don't think the minibook will be a problem for long.

And it will be sold as a stand-alone soon enough, just like they did at 6th.


As for complaints the models not good units:

Grey hunters are decent, and once the update codex comes the'll probably be good. the same kit doubles as blood claws, how might actually be useful next codex.
Wolf guard termies useless!? they are among the best termies out there! far superior to codex ones! just the setup in the picture that is bad.
The commander-not sure about it, but didn't people say he has his own rules? maybe he's actually decent as a budget choice or something. worst case, impressive looking wolfguard or something.
Ork nobs, these are team leaders or stand alone teams, a decent buy.
Gretchin, not top tier, but has uses.
Kans, not really good, but popular enough for the lolz (proper orky)
The warboss, same deal as commander. worse case its a budget commander/impressive nob.

Heck, even if you didn't want a single model out there, just taking it apart and Ebaying it will bring you back your monies, or damn close. and you keep the minibook.




In any case, I loved the set, and I would have instanty bought it if I had played orks, or any kind of marines (because wolves are pretty much codex marines with some unique looks and bling model-wise, and can easily be merged into any marine force by mixandmatch parts, or as they are with fitting paintjobs.)
And if a similar value tau box comes out, I would not even consider what the models in it are in my calculations, I'd just buy, sell the other side instantly or team up with a player of the other faction ahead to split-buy (unless it happens to be something that catches my eye), and have a really cheap addition to my forces. whats NOT to like?

It is 33% off retail people-before any deals you get from your local store (who can reach further 25% afterwards), without counting the value of the book (as in, the book price is 0 for the calculation), its a very good deal. better than battleforces.
GW tested the waters, and I'd say the test went well, I hope the test went well-as it will mean these deals will become a standard thing.

I think it's very nice. And a lovely idea to expand on the narrative campaign from "The Red Waaagh!". Finally an emphasis on narrative, and they promised more to come with various factions so.. I'm all up for that. Especially that each box like that provides unique sculpts that can be later used for various stuff and/or conversions.

That and a pretty small rulebook!

A few too many ork players crying about the contents. Who can't use the models included in this set? Kans are still good, gretchin have never been more important (unlocks those additional FOC) and nobs are always useful for flash gitz if nothing else. Grukk is a cool model and a required piece for ork collectors.

 Yonan wrote:
Being limited as in available for 2-3 months would be fine, especially if followed up by another one. Being limited as in selling out within a couple of days is not. For every good thing GW does, like making this box, they do something ridiculous to piss people off again, like not letting people buy this box.

This is very true. Having something limited and saying it's only running for 1 month is one thing, but it sold out in *HOURS*. That's ridiculous and really benefits nobody.

I got mine!

It does seem odd though, since if they wanted to make money on it, they could have produced more.

Thing is, I don't know how much they really make on these. The margin is much lower than regular boxes. I think the idea is it will pay off in the long game with these functioning as seed armies for new players/armies.

 PhillyT wrote:
I got mine!

It does seem odd though, since if they wanted to make money on it, they could have produced more.

Thing is, I don't know how much they really make on these. The margin is much lower than regular boxes. I think the idea is it will pay off in the long game with these functioning as seed armies for new players/armies.

They probably still make a lot since they're charging a lot more than they could normally, so this is probably closer to the "real" price that it should be.

Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

I'm very disappointed in this set. Grots are decent but only in blobs, nobz got hit a little in the new codex and kans, Kane are bad. They went up 15 points a model and all they're good upgrades nerfed and increased. I don't know much about space wolves so I can't say anything there. But for $125 USD I'll pass when I can better units for the same price and the small rule book would be great but not for $125

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

The Wolves seem to be HQ + 2 troops + 1 elite, so that'd make it actually table-legal, but the Orks aren't so - kanz are HS, then you have nobz(elites?), an HQ and 1 troop gretchin squad, so they'd need some boyz. But looking at the forces I get the Dark Vengeance vibe with a big point difference(and Space Marines of course being the favoured ones), so you could probably squeeze in a base unit of boyz in there or something.

 Klerych wrote:

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

The Wolves seem to be HQ + 2 troops + 1 elite, so that'd make it actually table-legal, but the Orks aren't so - kanz are HS, then you have nobz(elites?), an HQ and 1 troop gretchin squad, so they'd need some boyz. But looking at the forces I get the Dark Vengeance vibe with a big point difference(and Space Marines of course being the favoured ones), so you could probably squeeze in a base unit of boyz in there or something.

Thank you for the reply, but I meant the actual formation rules such as the "Grukks Rippin' krew" which gives the formation deepstrike, or the spacewolf one that gives rerolls to failed shooting or charging at a unit after another unit in the formation has shoot or charged it.

Bucsfan57 wrote:
I'm very disappointed in this set. Grots are decent but only in blobs, nobz got hit a little in the new codex and kans, Kane are bad. They went up 15 points a model and all they're good upgrades nerfed and increased. I don't know much about space wolves so I can't say anything there. But for $125 USD I'll pass when I can better units for the same price and the small rule book would be great but not for $125

To get blobs of grits, you need multiple boxes of gretchin. So what is the issue here?

What guns did you arm kans with? 90% of the time they had rokkits or grotzookas. Grotzookas area 5 point upgrade now, so the kan is 10 more than in the past, but rokkit kans are the same price as they were.

Who really put kans down with shootas? I never saw it on a table. Rokkits on kans were the only reliable form of anti vehicle we had. All this nonsense about kans being nerved is empty prattle with little real substance when you look at how kans are actually put on the table.

As far as value for money, the ork part of the set runs you about $100 retail, meaning that you get a rule book, formations, and the space wolf half for $25. That is a seriously good buy.

 Jaceevoke wrote:

 Klerych wrote:

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

The Wolves seem to be HQ + 2 troops + 1 elite, so that'd make it actually table-legal, but the Orks aren't so - kanz are HS, then you have nobz(elites?), an HQ and 1 troop gretchin squad, so they'd need some boyz. But looking at the forces I get the Dark Vengeance vibe with a big point difference(and Space Marines of course being the favoured ones), so you could probably squeeze in a base unit of boyz in there or something.

Thank you for the reply, but I meant the actual formation rules such as the "Grukks Rippin' krew" which gives the formation deepstrike, or the spacewolf one that gives rerolls to failed shooting or charging at a unit after another unit in the formation has shoot or charged it.

Oh, sorry, my mistake. Unfortunately I can't say it without the book, but if there is a formation and it's not said to not work in normal 40k, I'd be inclined towards it being regular 40k legal. Like a dataslate, but from another publication.

In many ways, I should be an ideal candidate for the box.

My Space Wolves are painted up as Krom Dragongaze's Great Company! Since GW never did Great Company-specific shoulder pads (and understandably so I supppose), I had a friend laser-cut some press-molds so I could put Krom's iconography on my models.

And, historically, I've frothed ad the mouth and chased models that are rare and unique to my armies. I dropped a lot of money getting the Black Library Ephrael Stern model for my Sisters of Battle. I've done the same for other armies. GD only Skaven character? Check. Battle Standard from the old Beastman army bodx? Check. Skullz Adeptus Mechanicus set? Check. There are pleny of other examples...

But this time? Let's see... The boxes are, apparently, already sold out. And even if it weren't I'm not at all interested in dropping the kind of money it'd've taken to get the whole box when all I'm really interested in is Krom and the convenient little rulebook. Doubly so since the vast bulk of the models are just repackages of things already on the market.

If Krom were truely limited, I might be willing to do it. But it's a plastic model. Sorry, GW, but for me injection-molded plastic is not, and never really will be, limited. Ephrael Stern, with a certificate of authenticity? That's limitied and with value for a collector.

The box may well be a "good value", if you want everything in there. But to me, it's just too much of a blatant attempt to upsell, the limited availabilty means I can't even be tempted to buy it at the store, and there's just too much stuff I don't want in the box.

So, GW's lost that sale from me. Moreover, it's just reinforced the sour taste I have in my mouth about just about all things GW at this poiint. To be honest, because I do still like the fluff and I do still have the army, I'll probably be watching eBay for the inevitable models to come out of China, Ukraine, or Russia and maybe, then, I'll pick up a Krom Dragongaze.

This experiment might well work for GW. I have no idea. But, for me, it just managed to drive me a bit further from staying vested in the HHHobby.

Valete,

JohnS

Please note that Krom and Grukk are not being billed as "limited". The Stormclaw box itself is.

There is every chance that they will be released by themselves, especially given that they both seem to play pivotal roles in Part 2 of Sanctus Reach(which is, from the wording, not Stormclaw). The Datasheets that are given for the individual characters also make them great candidates for being in the Sanctus Reach Part 2 whenever it comes out.

Also: Krom Dragongaze's Great Company get a special transfer sheet in the Stormclaw box.

I dont get why people say its sold out, I still see it on the site as avilable for preorder, and I know many copies are on their way to hobby shops (our hobby shop get at least two on the way, and we are by now means a big shop)

While the starter set itself looks amazing in terms of detail (even MORE so than the already great DV set, because AFAIK there are no two models in this kit that are alike), the price tag of an additional 15 quid irks me, and the fact that it is limited edition bothers me even more.

So GW went through all the troubles of creating casting molds for so many new figures and then throws them all in the bin after a 1 month production run? Wow.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Total Wargamer are doing it for £53.50 not including shipping [okay you'll probably have to wait for a month for it to arrive, but still]

You're never gonna get it. I suggest you call your bank.

 Sir Arun wrote:
While the starter set itself looks amazing in terms of detail (even MORE so than the already great DV set, because AFAIK there are no two models in this kit that are alike), the price tag of an additional 15 quid irks me, and the fact that it is limited edition bothers me even more.

So GW went through all the troubles of creating casting molds for so many new figures and then throws them all in the bin after a 1 month production run? Wow.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Total Wargamer are doing it for £53.50 not including shipping [okay you'll probably have to wait for a month for it to arrive, but still]

You're never gonna get it. I suggest you call your bank.

The same holds for the small rule book.

I've already bought the English version, since the German one typically contains translation errors.

 BoomWolf wrote:
I dont get why people say its sold out, I still see it on the site as avilable for preorder, and I know many copies are on their way to hobby shops (our hobby shop get at least two on the way, and we are by now means a big shop)

I've checked US, UK, Oz, NZ, all say "Sorry, but this product isn't available". I checked Japan and it's still listed there, so maybe some regions still have it.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the 3rd party websites that have huge numbers of preorders aren't going to get knocked back.

keep in mind that the MT codex was sold out as well but has been available again for over a month now.

 Sir Arun wrote:
keep in mind that the MT codex was sold out as well but has been available again for over a month now.

We can live in hope, but it's not too encouraging when the official store page says:

This is a limited quantity product - ensure you don’t miss out by ordering your copy today.

 Sir Arun wrote:
While the starter set itself looks amazing in terms of detail (even MORE so than the already great DV set, because AFAIK there are no two models in this kit that are alike), the price tag of an additional 15 quid irks me, and the fact that it is limited edition bothers me even more.

So GW went through all the troubles of creating casting molds for so many new figures and then throws them all in the bin after a 1 month production run? Wow.

The vast majorety of these are existing molds.

All but the HQs are the existing multi-plastic kits. the tow HQs might return as stand-alone sellers at 24$ish price tag (like other single model HQs.


Its is not a starter, and should not be judged as one (like the dude that compared the saving to black reach savings, black reach didn't have multi-parts.)

The set is still available at the German GW site.
The retailer Fantasyworld says that the discount will be 45% with the small rule book not included. Its hugh.

Seems like a great boxed set. A normal rule book costs 80$ and for only 45 dollars more you get over 35 guys (including 3 walkers). These guys retail separately for about 170$. That' not even including the rule book and exclusive characters. Everyone should nphave been desperate to get this set if only for the resale value of the minis. If you sell each box for 5$ under normal price on eBay, you easily sell for 145$ and get to keep the rule book and exclusive guys (who could be sold for even more). This seems like a great set.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Please note that Krom and Grukk are not being billed as "limited". The Stormclaw box itself is.

There is every chance that they will be released by themselves, especially given that they both seem to play pivotal roles in Part 2 of Sanctus Reach(which is, from the wording, not Stormclaw). The Datasheets that are given for the individual characters also make them great candidates for being in the Sanctus Reach Part 2 whenever it comes out.

Also: Krom Dragongaze's Great Company get a special transfer sheet in the Stormclaw box.

Yes they could. They could also rerelease the GW webstore only limited Captain. They could rerelease the Spacehulk terminators. But have they shown they have any intent of doing that?

But more to the point, that all just drives home that injection molded plastic is not really limited... If they do release Krom separately, there's a chance I'd buy him. It'd depend on the price at that point I suppose...

It's a nice addition, but I don't care at all about GW putting in transfers. As I mentioned, I have press-molds for the Great Company's symbol. Every one of my Spaces Wolves has Krom's symbol, in glorious raised relief, on their shoulder pads. Every one of my vehicles has the symbol on the side doors and front panel.

But in your (not at all surprising) defense of GW, you seem to be missing the larger point. Or, more likely, not choosing to engage it.

I'm clearly not GW's intended audience for the Stromclaw box per se. I'm a many year (20+) veteran of GW's games and they've clearly, and publicly I believe, stated their target audience is with a difference demographic. You can argue about that logic, but it's GW's decision to make. No problem with that per se. But a customer who's been in your ecosystem (to use the current term of art) for that long, playing 40k since Rogue Trader or WHFB since v1 is of potential value to GW. Setting aside my own spending, I've brought a huge number of new gamers into the GW fold over the years. I love the fluff. Does GW owe me anything for that? Of course not... But they just might be able to find a way to capitalize on that passion. And instead, they have done their level best to squash it.

This isn't the thread for this topic, and it's been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere. But this isn't a nerd rage rant. It's worse. Or at least GW should see it as significantly worse. This is a long time customer, who's thrown a lot of money at the company (and who is more than capable of throwing more as my gaming expenses going to Battlefront, Wyrd, Privateer Press, and others will attest), who has (had?) a passion for even something as narrowly defined as "the GW hobby, and who has (and can) bring in new players and impart them with some of that passion, saying "Meh..." to GW's offerings.

And that is so much more problematic for GW than raging about it. As someone else noted, rage is not the opposite of love. You can't rage about something you don't have some commitment to. This is a growing indifference, a lack of passion, a lack of an interest in continuing a commitment to GW and it's offerings. I'm still a gamer to my core, always have, and always will be. That passion hasn't died at all.

As an aside, I stopped by my FLGS last Thursday night since most of my gaming group were there playing a HH campaign. I half figured seeing armies on the table would get me back into feeling the love for the game... In the event, quite the opposite happened... It got me wondering if it's not time to sell off my existing armies.

Not out of rage. Out of simple ennui.

Valete,

JohnS

Seems like a great value set. A normal rule book is 80$ and for 45 dollars more you get 35+ minis. Even if you don't like Orks or SW, the resale value is an easy 145$ on eBay reselling the boxes separately and you get to keep the exclusive minis, rule book, and campaign book. Seems like a great box set and I can see why it sold out.


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Things I really like about Stormclaw:
Mini 7th ed Rulebook
2 Custom Minis
Other minis are from the standard line
Value: $200 of minis for $125. That's better than a 35% discount.

Things I don't like:
While these are models are good for a starter, they aren't great. Kans and Terminators are a bit lacking this edition (imo).

i think its a really good idea and hope they do more campaign boxes, i'm not fussed on sw so it would be cool if they did more with different armies.

Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

While these are models are good for a starter, they aren't great. Kans and Terminators are a bit lacking this edition (imo).

Kans, true. wolfguard? still awesome with their power to split up, take more budget builds, etc. and that's before the SW 7th edition codex where they might improve (and might be worse, or the same. no way to tell really.)

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

i'm not too interested because i don't like SWs and I don't need any Orks. so i'm kind of bummed that i don't have an excuse to buy it!

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

I'm liking it, just for the love of space wolves and a rulebook, can't say I need the models but as a Main 7e rulebook and squad of Wolf Guard Termies would already cost slightly more at RRP I can happily write everything else off as a bonus.

I do however hope they release the Characters and it is just the set that's exclusive, not the characters that are exclusive to the set.

Anyway, I'd say it's a fair price even if it isn't the best line up of models, although I wouldn't say many of the Battleforces have a great deal to shout about on that front either.

 PhillyT wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

My understanding is that they lost mostly due to taking moral tests now... where they didn't before. Granted, a DeffDread nearby can help, but no one likes seeing a 50 point model run off the board.

 P4Painting wrote:

Anyway, I'd say it's a fair price even if it isn't the best line up of models, although I wouldn't say many of the Battleforces have a great deal to shout about on that front either.

Good thing Battleforces are going away, right?

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

My understanding is that they lost mostly due to taking moral tests now... where they didn't before. Granted, a DeffDread nearby can help, but no one likes seeing a 50 point model run off the board.

They dont run away, from my reading. They get creq shaken, so snapshots. Makes sense, theyre not a fearless half dead marine encased in a walking tomb, theyre a grot in a Kan

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

My understanding is that they lost mostly due to taking moral tests now... where they didn't before. Granted, a DeffDread nearby can help, but no one likes seeing a 50 point model run off the board.

They do suffer a crew shaken if they take 25% casualties and roll a 1 or 2. They get a +1 for having more than 3 models and a +1 for a deff dredd.

So no serious nerfs. They play the same on the table in my games, though land raiders are now a bigger issue.

Very good deal, and even the full rule book to, I'm impressed!

Limited edition is for the campaign information, and the boxing. Means they dont have to carry too much stock, which then ends up getting destroyed, and means their investment in new pushfits, which then have to stay the same for the lifetime of the edition, is reduced to nothing.

They've also gottne the costs of making character plastics down - theyre 4 to a set now, so the next boxed set will have the next two, and so on. MEans you can actually keep it up to date and interesting to, eventually, ALL armies, rather than "yay" for two armies for an edition and nothing for anyone else.

It's exactly what GW should be doing. Not a fan of the limited nature but hopefully they continue this campaign release concept from now on.

 aj laveaux wrote:
You know what. At first I was really gutted about it having sold out. But then I realised that I didn't actually need more nobz and grotz, I don't run war bosses without power armour and GW are gonna have to work very hard to write an Ork campaign that is better than IA8.

I think I would have looked at my bank balance towards the end of the month and regretted buying it... but I still want it.

If you want it, order it. It's available on the GW UK website for preorder right now, and will be in all their shops on Saturday.

Don't believe everything you read on an international website when it comes to stock availability locally

MaxT wrote:

 aj laveaux wrote:
You know what. At first I was really gutted about it having sold out. But then I realised that I didn't actually need more nobz and grotz, I don't run war bosses without power armour and GW are gonna have to work very hard to write an Ork campaign that is better than IA8.

I think I would have looked at my bank balance towards the end of the month and regretted buying it... but I still want it.

If you want it, order it. It's available on the GW UK website for preorder right now, and will be in all their shops on Saturday.

Don't believe everything you read on an international website when it comes to stock availability locally

Well it was listed as not available on the UK site, it seems it's come back now.

Loving a set with Orks & Space Wolves. Orks my main army and Space Wolves the army I'm looking at re-starting.

Limited Edition is not really an issue because it's again just a marketing ploy. Comics, figures & busts and Heroclix all have limited edition releases.

just to be certain, the mini rulebook is the FULL rules, just not all the extras, correct?

I want the campaign book, but I don't want a bunch of Space Wolf and Ork stuff. I'm focusing on 30k right now.

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

I absolutely love Kanz, despite everyone at my shop telling me I'm wasting points whenever I field them. They look awesome, and are true Orky units. They might not be the most terrifying unit, but they have their uses. No player can deny that if they are left to their own devices, they WILL cause you issues.

The Space Wolves Krom Dragongaze is around the US$50.00 mark on Ebay.

Grukk Face-Rippa is around the US$45.00 mark

what the hell?

I could get the Chaos Lord from Dark Vengeance as well as the DA Libby and Company Master for around $10 each on ebay. Same goes for the Assault on Black Reach Captain and Ork Boss.

I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I don't have a space wolves army yet but I think this box set + the new flyer will make a good allied force for the rest of my imperial armies. Also since they include the rules I don't need to buy the space wolves codex (yet)

Split the box three ways with two other guys who wanted the rules and the wolves. Best GW value ever. The kanz alone made it worthwhile, and Grukk is simply an amazing model that's going to be the centerpiece of my army. People calling it a slight alteration on the AOBR warboss clearly haven't examined them side by side. Grukk is so much bigger and better-looking.

If anybody wants to contribute the formations to the growing list of formations and the place to find them posting them into this thread would be excellent:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/606496.page

No point values or restrictions or anything. Just something like:

Formation Name
Formation Units
Santus Reach: Stormclaw

Thanks!

Terrible if you play orks. Gretchin are OK at what they go, but I don't know any work players who need more as they are cheap. Kill a Kans are terrible this edition due to leadership rules and low weapon skill. aobr warbosses can still be found very cheap though I might get this warboss it is a cool model. Nobz are OK with thier gear but a nobz box can be bought for about $20 so... Really not much there. It will also be one of the first box seta I do not buy. I want the small rulebook though so that and new warboss will be ebay purchases. The space wolf stuff looks nice too but no must haves

 Multimoog wrote:
Split the box three ways with two other guys who wanted the rules and the wolves. Best GW value ever. The kanz alone made it worthwhile, and Grukk is simply an amazing model that's going to be the centerpiece of my army. People calling it a slight alteration on the AOBR warboss clearly haven't examined them side by side. Grukk is so much bigger and better-looking.

Grukk is great; our Nobz will help us get to 10 Flashgitz, plus we swapped some of the SW on here, so have six Killa Kanz and aforesaid Faceripper dude, and a rulebook - all for the price of the old three-volume Rulebook that we sold for near its purchase price. And ONE day we will run a Grot army. It's a great little set, I hope GW take this tack more often.

some of the games in the campaign book are pretty awesome. And the ork formation in the box set allows the whole formation to deep strike!

I think it's a great development, mini campaign box sets will allow GW to release lots of starter box set throughout a version of the game without changing the rules. The box sets are really popular for lots of reasons and we should encourage the development of these.