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 Kanluwen wrote:
Please note that Krom and Grukk are not being billed as "limited". The Stormclaw box itself is.

There is every chance that they will be released by themselves, especially given that they both seem to play pivotal roles in Part 2 of Sanctus Reach(which is, from the wording, not Stormclaw). The Datasheets that are given for the individual characters also make them great candidates for being in the Sanctus Reach Part 2 whenever it comes out.

Also: Krom Dragongaze's Great Company get a special transfer sheet in the Stormclaw box.

Yes they could. They could also rerelease the GW webstore only limited Captain. They could rerelease the Spacehulk terminators. But have they shown they have any intent of doing that?

But more to the point, that all just drives home that injection molded plastic is not really limited... If they do release Krom separately, there's a chance I'd buy him. It'd depend on the price at that point I suppose...

It's a nice addition, but I don't care at all about GW putting in transfers. As I mentioned, I have press-molds for the Great Company's symbol. Every one of my Spaces Wolves has Krom's symbol, in glorious raised relief, on their shoulder pads. Every one of my vehicles has the symbol on the side doors and front panel.

But in your (not at all surprising) defense of GW, you seem to be missing the larger point. Or, more likely, not choosing to engage it.

I'm clearly not GW's intended audience for the Stromclaw box per se. I'm a many year (20+) veteran of GW's games and they've clearly, and publicly I believe, stated their target audience is with a difference demographic. You can argue about that logic, but it's GW's decision to make. No problem with that per se. But a customer who's been in your ecosystem (to use the current term of art) for that long, playing 40k since Rogue Trader or WHFB since v1 is of potential value to GW. Setting aside my own spending, I've brought a huge number of new gamers into the GW fold over the years. I love the fluff. Does GW owe me anything for that? Of course not... But they just might be able to find a way to capitalize on that passion. And instead, they have done their level best to squash it.

This isn't the thread for this topic, and it's been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere. But this isn't a nerd rage rant. It's worse. Or at least GW should see it as significantly worse. This is a long time customer, who's thrown a lot of money at the company (and who is more than capable of throwing more as my gaming expenses going to Battlefront, Wyrd, Privateer Press, and others will attest), who has (had?) a passion for even something as narrowly defined as "the GW hobby, and who has (and can) bring in new players and impart them with some of that passion, saying "Meh..." to GW's offerings.

And that is so much more problematic for GW than raging about it. As someone else noted, rage is not the opposite of love. You can't rage about something you don't have some commitment to. This is a growing indifference, a lack of passion, a lack of an interest in continuing a commitment to GW and it's offerings. I'm still a gamer to my core, always have, and always will be. That passion hasn't died at all.

As an aside, I stopped by my FLGS last Thursday night since most of my gaming group were there playing a HH campaign. I half figured seeing armies on the table would get me back into feeling the love for the game... In the event, quite the opposite happened... It got me wondering if it's not time to sell off my existing armies.

Not out of rage. Out of simple ennui.

Valete,

JohnS

Seems like a great value set. A normal rule book is 80$ and for 45 dollars more you get 35+ minis. Even if you don't like Orks or SW, the resale value is an easy 145$ on eBay reselling the boxes separately and you get to keep the exclusive minis, rule book, and campaign book. Seems like a great box set and I can see why it sold out.


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Sorry for posting same thing twice... First time and all that. Orkses aren't know for their tech skills

Things I really like about Stormclaw:
Mini 7th ed Rulebook
2 Custom Minis
Other minis are from the standard line
Value: $200 of minis for $125. That's better than a 35% discount.

Things I don't like:
While these are models are good for a starter, they aren't great. Kans and Terminators are a bit lacking this edition (imo).

i think its a really good idea and hope they do more campaign boxes, i'm not fussed on sw so it would be cool if they did more with different armies.

Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

While these are models are good for a starter, they aren't great. Kans and Terminators are a bit lacking this edition (imo).

Kans, true. wolfguard? still awesome with their power to split up, take more budget builds, etc. and that's before the SW 7th edition codex where they might improve (and might be worse, or the same. no way to tell really.)

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

i'm not too interested because i don't like SWs and I don't need any Orks. so i'm kind of bummed that i don't have an excuse to buy it!

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

I'm liking it, just for the love of space wolves and a rulebook, can't say I need the models but as a Main 7e rulebook and squad of Wolf Guard Termies would already cost slightly more at RRP I can happily write everything else off as a bonus.

I do however hope they release the Characters and it is just the set that's exclusive, not the characters that are exclusive to the set.

Anyway, I'd say it's a fair price even if it isn't the best line up of models, although I wouldn't say many of the Battleforces have a great deal to shout about on that front either.

 PhillyT wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

My understanding is that they lost mostly due to taking moral tests now... where they didn't before. Granted, a DeffDread nearby can help, but no one likes seeing a 50 point model run off the board.

 P4Painting wrote:

Anyway, I'd say it's a fair price even if it isn't the best line up of models, although I wouldn't say many of the Battleforces have a great deal to shout about on that front either.

Good thing Battleforces are going away, right?

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

My understanding is that they lost mostly due to taking moral tests now... where they didn't before. Granted, a DeffDread nearby can help, but no one likes seeing a 50 point model run off the board.

They dont run away, from my reading. They get creq shaken, so snapshots. Makes sense, theyre not a fearless half dead marine encased in a walking tomb, theyre a grot in a Kan

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

Kans and termies are unpopular? I have yet to meet an Ork or SM player who did not have those models.

Maybe you're right. It's just kans lost a lot of power in the new edition.

How so? Move to S7? Certainly, they lost a little something, but not an immense amount. In most cases they will still be able to maul a vehicle they hit, and against everything else, it has no real impact.

People get sticker shock only to ignore the fact that the rokkit was an almost mandatory requirement, and they cost the same now as 4th.

My understanding is that they lost mostly due to taking moral tests now... where they didn't before. Granted, a DeffDread nearby can help, but no one likes seeing a 50 point model run off the board.

They do suffer a crew shaken if they take 25% casualties and roll a 1 or 2. They get a +1 for having more than 3 models and a +1 for a deff dredd.

So no serious nerfs. They play the same on the table in my games, though land raiders are now a bigger issue.

Very good deal, and even the full rule book to, I'm impressed!

Limited edition is for the campaign information, and the boxing. Means they dont have to carry too much stock, which then ends up getting destroyed, and means their investment in new pushfits, which then have to stay the same for the lifetime of the edition, is reduced to nothing.

They've also gottne the costs of making character plastics down - theyre 4 to a set now, so the next boxed set will have the next two, and so on. MEans you can actually keep it up to date and interesting to, eventually, ALL armies, rather than "yay" for two armies for an edition and nothing for anyone else.

It's exactly what GW should be doing. Not a fan of the limited nature but hopefully they continue this campaign release concept from now on.

 aj laveaux wrote:
You know what. At first I was really gutted about it having sold out. But then I realised that I didn't actually need more nobz and grotz, I don't run war bosses without power armour and GW are gonna have to work very hard to write an Ork campaign that is better than IA8.

I think I would have looked at my bank balance towards the end of the month and regretted buying it... but I still want it.

If you want it, order it. It's available on the GW UK website for preorder right now, and will be in all their shops on Saturday.

Don't believe everything you read on an international website when it comes to stock availability locally

MaxT wrote:

 aj laveaux wrote:
You know what. At first I was really gutted about it having sold out. But then I realised that I didn't actually need more nobz and grotz, I don't run war bosses without power armour and GW are gonna have to work very hard to write an Ork campaign that is better than IA8.

I think I would have looked at my bank balance towards the end of the month and regretted buying it... but I still want it.

If you want it, order it. It's available on the GW UK website for preorder right now, and will be in all their shops on Saturday.

Don't believe everything you read on an international website when it comes to stock availability locally

Well it was listed as not available on the UK site, it seems it's come back now.

Loving a set with Orks & Space Wolves. Orks my main army and Space Wolves the army I'm looking at re-starting.

Limited Edition is not really an issue because it's again just a marketing ploy. Comics, figures & busts and Heroclix all have limited edition releases.

just to be certain, the mini rulebook is the FULL rules, just not all the extras, correct?

I want the campaign book, but I don't want a bunch of Space Wolf and Ork stuff. I'm focusing on 30k right now.

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Maybe games workshop is using this set to unload some models that aren't very popular (termies, kans, maybe Grots). They lure you in with the exclusive models and get rid of some of their less popular models. Anyway, I happen to like those models so the set is perfect for me.

I absolutely love Kanz, despite everyone at my shop telling me I'm wasting points whenever I field them. They look awesome, and are true Orky units. They might not be the most terrifying unit, but they have their uses. No player can deny that if they are left to their own devices, they WILL cause you issues.

The Space Wolves Krom Dragongaze is around the US$50.00 mark on Ebay.

Grukk Face-Rippa is around the US$45.00 mark

what the hell?

I could get the Chaos Lord from Dark Vengeance as well as the DA Libby and Company Master for around $10 each on ebay. Same goes for the Assault on Black Reach Captain and Ork Boss.

I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I don't have a space wolves army yet but I think this box set + the new flyer will make a good allied force for the rest of my imperial armies. Also since they include the rules I don't need to buy the space wolves codex (yet)

Split the box three ways with two other guys who wanted the rules and the wolves. Best GW value ever. The kanz alone made it worthwhile, and Grukk is simply an amazing model that's going to be the centerpiece of my army. People calling it a slight alteration on the AOBR warboss clearly haven't examined them side by side. Grukk is so much bigger and better-looking.

If anybody wants to contribute the formations to the growing list of formations and the place to find them posting them into this thread would be excellent:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/606496.page

No point values or restrictions or anything. Just something like:

Formation Name
Formation Units
Santus Reach: Stormclaw

Thanks!

Terrible if you play orks. Gretchin are OK at what they go, but I don't know any work players who need more as they are cheap. Kill a Kans are terrible this edition due to leadership rules and low weapon skill. aobr warbosses can still be found very cheap though I might get this warboss it is a cool model. Nobz are OK with thier gear but a nobz box can be bought for about $20 so... Really not much there. It will also be one of the first box seta I do not buy. I want the small rulebook though so that and new warboss will be ebay purchases. The space wolf stuff looks nice too but no must haves