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Makumba wrote:
Seems like they put a lot of bad models in to the box. Foot HQs, WolfGuard Terminators , Killar Kans are all useless models. But the small rule book is something people will want to have. I guess the set will destroy the resell value of SW a lot.

Yup. that's why it was such a failure.

Anyway, when our copy arrives, we'll sell our spacewolves, including the unique figure; the sale for our big rulebook ends tonight on eBay. I reckon we'll get a bunch of free Ork models, and some extra $$$, over what we had before.

Essentially, this set means a free Kan wall for us. I can handle that kind of exploitation from GW.

In general, more sets ike this also means more minirulebooks around, which is a good thing for anyone who doesn't want to spend £40 or £50 on one.

Or, ahem, otherwise obtaining the rules.

I personally think it's a nice set. The limited edition factor kills it, though.

Being limited as in available for 2-3 months would be fine, especially if followed up by another one. Being limited as in selling out within a couple of days is not. For every good thing GW does, like making this box, they do something ridiculous to piss people off again, like not letting people buy this box.

You know what. At first I was really gutted about it having sold out. But then I realised that I didn't actually need more nobz and grotz, I don't run war bosses without power armour and GW are gonna have to work very hard to write an Ork campaign that is better than IA8.

I think I would have looked at my bank balance towards the end of the month and regretted buying it... but I still want it.

I just want the Wolf Lord, but I'm sure there'll be a few on eBay.

Of course I don't run Wolf Lords on foot anyway, so he's pretty pointless.

My bother and I went halves on it. He managed to get the pre-order in on time. I'm actually looking forward to it.

Although I don't play 7th (2nd is the way to go), I really enjoy fighting little campaigns with a limited force.

Plus, with me playing 2nd, I have nearly 1000pts of Wolves for around £40. Valuetown baby

I think doing a limited edition run is a risky business for GW, especially like this. Its essentially another middle finger in the face for people who wanted the new rules addendums etc in a mini-rulebook.

The minis are alright, some nice even. But the way it was presented, just really annoys me. I find it irksome....GW is a big massive IRK.

Considering the plan appears to be to have a hell lot of these "versus" sets (every two codices is the suspicion), I don't think the minibook will be a problem for long.

And it will be sold as a stand-alone soon enough, just like they did at 6th.


As for complaints the models not good units:

Grey hunters are decent, and once the update codex comes the'll probably be good. the same kit doubles as blood claws, how might actually be useful next codex.
Wolf guard termies useless!? they are among the best termies out there! far superior to codex ones! just the setup in the picture that is bad.
The commander-not sure about it, but didn't people say he has his own rules? maybe he's actually decent as a budget choice or something. worst case, impressive looking wolfguard or something.
Ork nobs, these are team leaders or stand alone teams, a decent buy.
Gretchin, not top tier, but has uses.
Kans, not really good, but popular enough for the lolz (proper orky)
The warboss, same deal as commander. worse case its a budget commander/impressive nob.

Heck, even if you didn't want a single model out there, just taking it apart and Ebaying it will bring you back your monies, or damn close. and you keep the minibook.




In any case, I loved the set, and I would have instanty bought it if I had played orks, or any kind of marines (because wolves are pretty much codex marines with some unique looks and bling model-wise, and can easily be merged into any marine force by mixandmatch parts, or as they are with fitting paintjobs.)
And if a similar value tau box comes out, I would not even consider what the models in it are in my calculations, I'd just buy, sell the other side instantly or team up with a player of the other faction ahead to split-buy (unless it happens to be something that catches my eye), and have a really cheap addition to my forces. whats NOT to like?

It is 33% off retail people-before any deals you get from your local store (who can reach further 25% afterwards), without counting the value of the book (as in, the book price is 0 for the calculation), its a very good deal. better than battleforces.
GW tested the waters, and I'd say the test went well, I hope the test went well-as it will mean these deals will become a standard thing.

I think it's very nice. And a lovely idea to expand on the narrative campaign from "The Red Waaagh!". Finally an emphasis on narrative, and they promised more to come with various factions so.. I'm all up for that. Especially that each box like that provides unique sculpts that can be later used for various stuff and/or conversions.

That and a pretty small rulebook!

A few too many ork players crying about the contents. Who can't use the models included in this set? Kans are still good, gretchin have never been more important (unlocks those additional FOC) and nobs are always useful for flash gitz if nothing else. Grukk is a cool model and a required piece for ork collectors.

 Yonan wrote:
Being limited as in available for 2-3 months would be fine, especially if followed up by another one. Being limited as in selling out within a couple of days is not. For every good thing GW does, like making this box, they do something ridiculous to piss people off again, like not letting people buy this box.

This is very true. Having something limited and saying it's only running for 1 month is one thing, but it sold out in *HOURS*. That's ridiculous and really benefits nobody.

I got mine!

It does seem odd though, since if they wanted to make money on it, they could have produced more.

Thing is, I don't know how much they really make on these. The margin is much lower than regular boxes. I think the idea is it will pay off in the long game with these functioning as seed armies for new players/armies.

 PhillyT wrote:
I got mine!

It does seem odd though, since if they wanted to make money on it, they could have produced more.

Thing is, I don't know how much they really make on these. The margin is much lower than regular boxes. I think the idea is it will pay off in the long game with these functioning as seed armies for new players/armies.

They probably still make a lot since they're charging a lot more than they could normally, so this is probably closer to the "real" price that it should be.

Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

I'm very disappointed in this set. Grots are decent but only in blobs, nobz got hit a little in the new codex and kans, Kane are bad. They went up 15 points a model and all they're good upgrades nerfed and increased. I don't know much about space wolves so I can't say anything there. But for $125 USD I'll pass when I can better units for the same price and the small rule book would be great but not for $125

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

The Wolves seem to be HQ + 2 troops + 1 elite, so that'd make it actually table-legal, but the Orks aren't so - kanz are HS, then you have nobz(elites?), an HQ and 1 troop gretchin squad, so they'd need some boyz. But looking at the forces I get the Dark Vengeance vibe with a big point difference(and Space Marines of course being the favoured ones), so you could probably squeeze in a base unit of boyz in there or something.

 Klerych wrote:

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

The Wolves seem to be HQ + 2 troops + 1 elite, so that'd make it actually table-legal, but the Orks aren't so - kanz are HS, then you have nobz(elites?), an HQ and 1 troop gretchin squad, so they'd need some boyz. But looking at the forces I get the Dark Vengeance vibe with a big point difference(and Space Marines of course being the favoured ones), so you could probably squeeze in a base unit of boyz in there or something.

Thank you for the reply, but I meant the actual formation rules such as the "Grukks Rippin' krew" which gives the formation deepstrike, or the spacewolf one that gives rerolls to failed shooting or charging at a unit after another unit in the formation has shoot or charged it.

Bucsfan57 wrote:
I'm very disappointed in this set. Grots are decent but only in blobs, nobz got hit a little in the new codex and kans, Kane are bad. They went up 15 points a model and all they're good upgrades nerfed and increased. I don't know much about space wolves so I can't say anything there. But for $125 USD I'll pass when I can better units for the same price and the small rule book would be great but not for $125

To get blobs of grits, you need multiple boxes of gretchin. So what is the issue here?

What guns did you arm kans with? 90% of the time they had rokkits or grotzookas. Grotzookas area 5 point upgrade now, so the kan is 10 more than in the past, but rokkit kans are the same price as they were.

Who really put kans down with shootas? I never saw it on a table. Rokkits on kans were the only reliable form of anti vehicle we had. All this nonsense about kans being nerved is empty prattle with little real substance when you look at how kans are actually put on the table.

As far as value for money, the ork part of the set runs you about $100 retail, meaning that you get a rule book, formations, and the space wolf half for $25. That is a seriously good buy.

 Jaceevoke wrote:

 Klerych wrote:

 Jaceevoke wrote:
Just a quick question with the formations that are listed in this set, are they balanced (as balanced as this game gets anyways) for PUG/tournament games? Or are they more for just the campaign in the set?

The Wolves seem to be HQ + 2 troops + 1 elite, so that'd make it actually table-legal, but the Orks aren't so - kanz are HS, then you have nobz(elites?), an HQ and 1 troop gretchin squad, so they'd need some boyz. But looking at the forces I get the Dark Vengeance vibe with a big point difference(and Space Marines of course being the favoured ones), so you could probably squeeze in a base unit of boyz in there or something.

Thank you for the reply, but I meant the actual formation rules such as the "Grukks Rippin' krew" which gives the formation deepstrike, or the spacewolf one that gives rerolls to failed shooting or charging at a unit after another unit in the formation has shoot or charged it.

Oh, sorry, my mistake. Unfortunately I can't say it without the book, but if there is a formation and it's not said to not work in normal 40k, I'd be inclined towards it being regular 40k legal. Like a dataslate, but from another publication.

In many ways, I should be an ideal candidate for the box.

My Space Wolves are painted up as Krom Dragongaze's Great Company! Since GW never did Great Company-specific shoulder pads (and understandably so I supppose), I had a friend laser-cut some press-molds so I could put Krom's iconography on my models.

And, historically, I've frothed ad the mouth and chased models that are rare and unique to my armies. I dropped a lot of money getting the Black Library Ephrael Stern model for my Sisters of Battle. I've done the same for other armies. GD only Skaven character? Check. Battle Standard from the old Beastman army bodx? Check. Skullz Adeptus Mechanicus set? Check. There are pleny of other examples...

But this time? Let's see... The boxes are, apparently, already sold out. And even if it weren't I'm not at all interested in dropping the kind of money it'd've taken to get the whole box when all I'm really interested in is Krom and the convenient little rulebook. Doubly so since the vast bulk of the models are just repackages of things already on the market.

If Krom were truely limited, I might be willing to do it. But it's a plastic model. Sorry, GW, but for me injection-molded plastic is not, and never really will be, limited. Ephrael Stern, with a certificate of authenticity? That's limitied and with value for a collector.

The box may well be a "good value", if you want everything in there. But to me, it's just too much of a blatant attempt to upsell, the limited availabilty means I can't even be tempted to buy it at the store, and there's just too much stuff I don't want in the box.

So, GW's lost that sale from me. Moreover, it's just reinforced the sour taste I have in my mouth about just about all things GW at this poiint. To be honest, because I do still like the fluff and I do still have the army, I'll probably be watching eBay for the inevitable models to come out of China, Ukraine, or Russia and maybe, then, I'll pick up a Krom Dragongaze.

This experiment might well work for GW. I have no idea. But, for me, it just managed to drive me a bit further from staying vested in the HHHobby.

Valete,

JohnS

Please note that Krom and Grukk are not being billed as "limited". The Stormclaw box itself is.

There is every chance that they will be released by themselves, especially given that they both seem to play pivotal roles in Part 2 of Sanctus Reach(which is, from the wording, not Stormclaw). The Datasheets that are given for the individual characters also make them great candidates for being in the Sanctus Reach Part 2 whenever it comes out.

Also: Krom Dragongaze's Great Company get a special transfer sheet in the Stormclaw box.

I dont get why people say its sold out, I still see it on the site as avilable for preorder, and I know many copies are on their way to hobby shops (our hobby shop get at least two on the way, and we are by now means a big shop)

While the starter set itself looks amazing in terms of detail (even MORE so than the already great DV set, because AFAIK there are no two models in this kit that are alike), the price tag of an additional 15 quid irks me, and the fact that it is limited edition bothers me even more.

So GW went through all the troubles of creating casting molds for so many new figures and then throws them all in the bin after a 1 month production run? Wow.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Total Wargamer are doing it for £53.50 not including shipping [okay you'll probably have to wait for a month for it to arrive, but still]

You're never gonna get it. I suggest you call your bank.

 Sir Arun wrote:
While the starter set itself looks amazing in terms of detail (even MORE so than the already great DV set, because AFAIK there are no two models in this kit that are alike), the price tag of an additional 15 quid irks me, and the fact that it is limited edition bothers me even more.

So GW went through all the troubles of creating casting molds for so many new figures and then throws them all in the bin after a 1 month production run? Wow.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Total Wargamer are doing it for £53.50 not including shipping [okay you'll probably have to wait for a month for it to arrive, but still]

You're never gonna get it. I suggest you call your bank.

The same holds for the small rule book.

I've already bought the English version, since the German one typically contains translation errors.

 BoomWolf wrote:
I dont get why people say its sold out, I still see it on the site as avilable for preorder, and I know many copies are on their way to hobby shops (our hobby shop get at least two on the way, and we are by now means a big shop)

I've checked US, UK, Oz, NZ, all say "Sorry, but this product isn't available". I checked Japan and it's still listed there, so maybe some regions still have it.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the 3rd party websites that have huge numbers of preorders aren't going to get knocked back.

keep in mind that the MT codex was sold out as well but has been available again for over a month now.

 Sir Arun wrote:
keep in mind that the MT codex was sold out as well but has been available again for over a month now.

We can live in hope, but it's not too encouraging when the official store page says:

This is a limited quantity product - ensure you don’t miss out by ordering your copy today.

 Sir Arun wrote:
While the starter set itself looks amazing in terms of detail (even MORE so than the already great DV set, because AFAIK there are no two models in this kit that are alike), the price tag of an additional 15 quid irks me, and the fact that it is limited edition bothers me even more.

So GW went through all the troubles of creating casting molds for so many new figures and then throws them all in the bin after a 1 month production run? Wow.

The vast majorety of these are existing molds.

All but the HQs are the existing multi-plastic kits. the tow HQs might return as stand-alone sellers at 24$ish price tag (like other single model HQs.


Its is not a starter, and should not be judged as one (like the dude that compared the saving to black reach savings, black reach didn't have multi-parts.)

The set is still available at the German GW site.
The retailer Fantasyworld says that the discount will be 45% with the small rule book not included. Its hugh.

Seems like a great boxed set. A normal rule book costs 80$ and for only 45 dollars more you get over 35 guys (including 3 walkers). These guys retail separately for about 170$. That' not even including the rule book and exclusive characters. Everyone should nphave been desperate to get this set if only for the resale value of the minis. If you sell each box for 5$ under normal price on eBay, you easily sell for 145$ and get to keep the rule book and exclusive guys (who could be sold for even more). This seems like a great set.