My brother and I had this conversation, and I thought it would be an interesting poll.Personally, I would pick to be a librarian every day of the week. Mind- bullets FTW.

Mind bullets and the daily chore of fighting off the daemons that want to eat your soul and use your body for a sock puppet. Sounds... lovely.

I'm gonna say other. The kind of Marine I would like to be is


retired. Living in peace, tending a garden and playing scaled mock battles from the past, such as the time when various Legions turned traitor.

Champion or Honour Guard I think. They get the best toys

Chaplain, because he's pretty much just a big commissar.

Definitely Chaplain, ain't nothing like screaming liturgy while bashing someone's brains in and being in charge of the chapter's "purity".

Techmarine,knowing that the weapons and armor you create (and improve) will be used for Millenia seems nice.

Preferably one of the SW's Iron Priests,they seem to have more fun tasks than the techs of other chapters,if that isn't possible,one of the iron hands for obvious reasons.

For me, a 1st company veteran.

Worked hard from a scout, through a battle company and then be elevated into the 1st. I use a couple of squads of SGV in most of my lists, so that would be me as a marine, lots of shooty death to choose from to kill the enemies of the Imperium.

Sternguard, elite of the elite without being a walking tank in terminator armour.

Space Wolves Lone Wolf - sure I just lost my entire pack, I'm probably carry nothing more than a Frost Axe, a bolt pistol, and me PA because my wolf lord mishandle 1,000 suits of TDAs, and I'm sent to kill one of the most fukhuge, nastiest, and toughest things in the universe. But hey, at least it's all about to end and I wouldn't give my opponent a kill point.

No option for an Apothecary? For shame OP.


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 Happyjew wrote:
I'm gonna say other. The kind of Marine I would like to be is


retired. Living in peace, tending a garden and playing scaled mock battles from the past, such as the time when various Legions turned traitor.

Only in death does duty end.

Either a librarian or the master of the fleet. I feel like that have the most autonomy.

Deathwatch Tactical Marine Sergeant! (Except Librarians, can't stand them!) The expertise of a 1st Company Vet of any other Chapter, special issue goodies and ammo, perilous missions, and pretty much absolute autonomy is awesome!! Preferably with a sweet power sword and combi-melta.

Tech marine because you get all the best relic gear, old weapons from the olden times when man was advanced.

And able to tweak other weapons to be powerful as they can.

 Happyjew wrote:
I'm gonna say other. The kind of Marine I would like to be is


retired. Living in peace, tending a garden and playing scaled mock battles from the past, such as the time when various Legions turned traitor.

I agree with this. Sitting as a massive demigod of war in your rocking chair and watching kids run past your knees seems enjoyable.

A female one.

Avery long lived one

The kind that looks into a mirror at his meaty ugliness and contemplates suicide.

Honestly being a Marine is like a horror both physically and mentally in my opinion. Imagine having urges to run towards machine guns, or struggling to do anything delicate with your giant sausage fingers, or not being able to mingle with the populace because youre so large and different you would struggle to do anything with them. Buying a car would be hard with your weight and size. Playing paintball would make you at a huge disadvantage due to size. You would need a butler/maid to do a lot of ordinary tasks that your meaty hands could not do on their own.

Thats just some the physical problems.

Being a Space Marine would suck.

I would like to be a dead Marine...

I'd rather be a Chaos Space Marine. No limits and no rules.

Being a Space Marine isn't especially gakky for the same reason being an Ork isn't especially gakky.

Space Marines, like Orks, instinctively love their jobs. If you were an Astartes, you wouldn't have the self-awareness to realize how crap your life is. Dying horribly in the midst of battle is in fact your greatest dream.

 Swastakowey wrote:
The kind that looks into a mirror at his meaty ugliness and contemplates suicide.

Honestly being a Marine is like a horror both physically and mentally in my opinion. Imagine having urges to run towards machine guns, or struggling to do anything delicate with your giant sausage fingers, or not being able to mingle with the populace because youre so large and different you would struggle to do anything with them. Buying a car would be hard with your weight and size. Playing paintball would make you at a huge disadvantage due to size. You would need a butler/maid to do a lot of ordinary tasks that your meaty hands could not do on their own.

Thats just some the physical problems.

Being a Space Marine would suck.

I would like to be a dead Marine...

You seemed to have missed the entire point of being posthuman and indoctrination.

Well, that would depend. Are you talking about being one in the 40k universe or being one here in ours?
40k- trainer- Help mould other space marines and serve safely while helping create bad arses.
Here- Librarian (safe from warp/daemons but with all the benefits.

 EVIL INC wrote:
Well, that would depend. Are you talking about being one in the 40k universe or being one here in ours?
40k- trainer- Help mould other space marines and serve safely while helping create bad arses.
Here- Librarian (safe from warp/daemons but with all the benefits.

FYI, Scout Sergeants/10th Company Captains still serve on the front lines. There is not such thing as a space marine that leads from the back. I go with Apothecary, as while you're still serving on the front lines when outside of the front line, but dammit, if I die I'll do so saving somebody rather than random act of pointless bravado number 7364626.

I'd like to work up from a scout and see where I end up.

This might be a matter of older fluff. I was under the assumption that the fluff still had scouts and neophytes recieving least some sort of basic training before being sent out. These training bases being housed at home fortresses behind the lines.Of course, the trainers were usually the has beens who were too beat up to cut the mustard on the front lines. When was this part of the fluff changed?
Of course, you might be thinking of the scout squads and so forth AFTER this basic training has been given to them. As these trainers are usually older and wounded beyond being as effective as newer and younger marines, the capters make use of their minds and talents to pass what they know on tonew marines so they are not sent out totally ignorant of what is going on. For example, look at the wolves, they dont even know what a bolter is and have to be taught to use it.
For front line duty... I think the chaplains are pretty dern cool and if I'm gonna be up front on the lines, might as well look snazzy while there. Encouraging the rest of "the boys" would be right up my ally anyway.

Vanguard Veteran. The candle that burns twice as fast lasts half as long.

Librarian. So much to learn!

Wolf priest hands down its chaplain and apothecary wrap in cool wolf shapes.

I said other -

Apothecary. I like playing as a healer in many games and so I'd like helping other Space Marines in battle and ensuring the continuation of the chapter by collecting gene-seed.

Also, as a VIP (in SM terms), I'd be more protected and not generally thrown into suicide missions

I would want to be a Captain, but Librarian also sounds fun.

I would like to be a marine who dies of old age.

Techmarine. Mars would be a nice little education abroad...

Land Raider Crew.

Nigh unstoppable, got cruise control, and all you Techmarine voters need someone to keep you busy repairing stuff.

 1hadhq wrote:
Land Raider Crew.

Nigh unstoppable, got cruise control, and all you Techmarine voters need someone to keep you busy repairing stuff.

"Push me closer, I've broken down!!" - LR crew, every few minutes.

Space Wolf wolf guard, beacuse epic beard and gnarlyness

Space Wolf SkyClaw, cause my enemy doesnt need a face!

Draigo, I wold know what the damn key is for!!

Spacewolf wolf lord on a wolf with wolf stone and wolf fang. Or just a spacewolf wolf. Wolf.

Also, i won't get sterilized and brainwashed too hard like other marines.

Chaplain. Screaming- at everyone while bashing skulls in is awesome.

I'd be a veteran sergeant or a sternguard veteran at most. Captaincy would be too much.

Chaplain. Just for the sweet skull helmet

Techmarine.
Handy servo-arms, brain-dead servitor slaves, fixing stuff all day, seeing very little of frontline combat thus having a long life expectancy. Perfect.

Hanskrampf wrote:
Techmarine.

Hanskrampf wrote:
seeing very little of frontline combat

There's this thing about Space Marines...

 Ashiraya wrote:

Hanskrampf wrote:
Techmarine.

Hanskrampf wrote:
seeing very little of frontline combat

There's this thing about Space Marines...

I'll always remember Death of Integrity, where a Techmarine had to enter a space hulk (at least wearing normal power armor), strip down butt naked, crawl through a vent to repair some wires so they could open a bulkhead door, crawled back out with genestealers all around him, put his armor back on, and get radiation poisoning. IIRC, he ended up getting spaced and receiving more radiation burns too.

Chaplain all the way. WELCOME TO THE FIRST IMPERIAL CHURCH OF AWESOME!(The only guys that can make the fanatical devotion in the Emperor cool)


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Wolfsblood wrote:
Chaplain. Screaming- at everyone while bashing skulls in is awesome.

This

ThatSwellFella wrote:
Chaplain all the way. WELCOME TO THE FIRST IMPERIAL CHURCH OF AWESOME!(The only guys that can make the fanatical devotion in the Emperor cool)


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Wolfsblood wrote:
Chaplain. Screaming- at everyone while bashing skulls in is awesome.

This

"We are his spear!"

*THWACK*

"We are his shield!"

*KRUNCH*

"We fight in His name!"

*KABLAMMO*

 Selym wrote:

ThatSwellFella wrote:
Chaplain all the way. WELCOME TO THE FIRST IMPERIAL CHURCH OF AWESOME!(The only guys that can make the fanatical devotion in the Emperor cool)


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Wolfsblood wrote:
Chaplain. Screaming- at everyone while bashing skulls in is awesome.

This

"We are his spear!"

*THWACK*

"We are his shield!"

*KRUNCH*

"We fight in His name!"

*KABLAMMO*

Chaplains are the least popular choice??? HERESY!!

Legion Centurion, like a captain but with a lovely little plume on your helmet :3

Termie with TH & SS.
Incoming deathstrike missile? No worries - I'll shelter behind this big ass shield I have.
Incoming big gribbly monster? I'll pound it to a wet mess with mah huge hammer o' doom.
Plus I get to teleport about the place like a boss.

libby all day- psychic force fields, punches that can smash through vehicles, force lightening (this alone man..) the raw power.... limitless potential, THIS CHAPTER IS HOLDING ME BACK, AKSHFIAKFJADF...


second thought, if I had pysker powers I would most defiantly fall prey to the chaos due to wanting more and more pyschic prowess... in I could get god mode the "right" way, libby, otherwise,

chapter master.

Captain...I fancy myself a leader

I wish only to serve the Emperor and give back to the Chapter. Be that as an Apothecary so I may recover the Chapter's due, or a Scout Sergeant teaching Neophytes how to fight. A Chaplain, protecting the spirit and fortitude of my brothers, a Captain leading from the front, Chapter Champion who would die to defend my Chapter Master. A Devastator raining death upon the foul Xenos or fighting tooth and chainblade with the Heretic, or dying on the battlefield with a hundred rounds in my chest, a hundred rounds that won't be fired at my brothers.

That is the only true way for a Space Marine to live.

A company master. If I was Master of the Forge in Dark Angels chapter, I'm pretty much permanently plugged into The Rock for the rest of my life...No thanks lol

I checked other. I would want to be either an Apothecary (I am a nurse in RL, as well as an Army officer, so it kinda fits what I am in RL), or an Devastator Squad Marine (Gimme MA LASCANNON!)

As much as I think being a chaplain would be awesome, I vote Librarian... in Dreadnought.

A Bloodclaw because I'm young, dumb, and full of...fun!

Librarian or Apothecary, I don't want to be a sock puppet but its really no different than any other day of hearing voices in my head. Some days their even nice to me.

Probably a techmarine or apothecary.

Thunderwolf Cavalryman with a Frost Axe and Storm Shield.

A female one.

...

What? You had to expect SOMEONE to say it.

Terminator. And I would have an axe. A big one.

i went with Captain/Chapter Master, but of course we are actually called Wolf Lords...

i am not a very good follower, but have no hesitation to lead...
if nobody wants to follow, that's fine, because i am charging in anyway...
that's why i love surfing big waves, it is dangerous, exhilarating, and doesn't require anyone's agreement, just me (and balls of steel) facing off against a powerful elemental force...
plus, i've got the hair and beard of a proper Wolf Lord...

cheers
jah

Chaplain, because 'fiery oratory' is something I do well.

Barring that, an Apothecary.

Wolf Guard. Nice equipment, and your battlefield role can change constantly. On a bike, jump pack, leading a squad, TDA and so on for variety. Plus being a Space Wolf means you have fun (killing stuff and/or drinking and feasting), whereas other marines are so somber and boring. And pet wolves.

Venerable Dreadnought. I only have to fight once every dozen years, im one of the most respected members of the chapter, and should i fall the general mass would fight all the harder to see me reclaimed. Its as close to being a rockstar as the Space Marines have.

 Grey Knight Janitor wrote:
Wolf Guard. Nice equipment, and your battlefield role can change constantly. On a bike, jump pack, leading a squad, TDA and so on for variety. Plus being a Space Wolf means you have fun (killing stuff and/or drinking and feasting), whereas other marines are so somber and boring. And pet wolves.

You're forgetting the downside to being a Space Wolf. Your Canis Helix implant could go haywire at any time and turn you into a Wulfen.

 Brennus43 wrote:
I'd rather be a Chaos Space Marine. No limits and no rules.

Night lords, answering to no one, not even a god.

When i was 19 and I joined the RM I would definately have said a Vanguard or Sternguard Veteran or something chad.

Ten years of wars later, I have realized that you get no rewards for putting yourself at the front, its not like they pay you anything extra. All you get is fethed kneecaps, back problems and dead comrades.

I would like to be a techmarine and stay so far in the rear fixing vehicles I would have to send my laundry forwards to have the chapter serfs wash it.

A dead one.

Why?

Call no man happy unless he is dead! -- Imperial Thought For the Day

 mattyrm wrote:
When i was 19 and I joined the RM I would definately have said a Vanguard or Sternguard Veteran or something chad.

Ten years of wars later, I have realized that you get no rewards for putting yourself at the front, its not like they pay you anything extra. All you get is fethed kneecaps, back problems and dead comrades.

I would like to be a techmarine and stay so far in the rear fixing vehicles I would have to send my laundry forwards to have the chapter serfs wash it.

Again, there is no such thing as a space marine that isn't on the frontlines that isn't the naval captain.

Assault marine (I'd probably make a better devastater though)

Your average Emperor's Children trooper. If you're going to go, might as well have some fun. Alternatively the guy that pushes then BIG RED BUTTON on board the battlebarge. BOOM! and completely safe. I like safe, and pizza.

Emperor's Children battlebarge gunner with a fresh pizza pie. Now thats how you do it!

Grey Knight Librarian.

Codex: Grey Knights (7th Edition) pager 6, "Grey Knights, however, are unique in their control of their psychic gifts, their purity of soul and strength of will an impregnable wall against the horrors of the Warp... A Grey Knight does not gaze into the Warp and fear what lurks within; rather, the creatures of the Warp recoil from him."

Social Justice Space Marine armed with a Heavy Flamer to burn all those involved in #GamerGate.

ALL HAIL THE GODDESS-EMPRESS ZOE!

I would want to be a terminator captain/lord probably the latter, would love me some nurgle

Chaplain all day! Faith so strong you never doubt anything and even space marines look at you and think you are terrifying and badass.

Warpsmith in the Iron Warriors

Chief Apothecary for me.

ForeverARookie wrote:
Grey Knight Librarian.

Codex: Grey Knights (7th Edition) pager 6, "Grey Knights, however, are unique in their control of their psychic gifts, their purity of soul and strength of will an impregnable wall against the horrors of the Warp... A Grey Knight does not gaze into the Warp and fear what lurks within; rather, the creatures of the Warp recoil from him."

I think this is the closest we'll get to a Chuck Norris Fact in canon fluff.

"Chuck Norris doesn't fear Daemons, Daemons run from Chuck Norris"

See?

Yeah, 'specially since Grey Knights still suffer from Perils...

And the same way that SoB are perfectly capable of succumbing to fear so great that it cripples their ability to strike back, something that would not even bother Marines, and are equally likely to break into a panicked rout, making them easy prey to cut down, and removing every thought of rallying from their minds. (Which is something that would not happen with Marines, either.)

Unshakable faith, indeed. Hah! Hoist by thine own petard!

No seriously, do not use game mechanics in a fluff context

Iron Hands Vanguard veteran w/ Thunderhammer

 Ashiraya wrote:
Which is something that would not happen with Marines

Eeeh, the "and they shall feel no fear" line is just macho crap, not something that is reflected in the lore.

Marines feel fear, they just react differently.

Fear is not irrational; being afraid of being cut up by a genestealer motivates a fighter to dodge, block, or parry the genestealer's rending blades. If one had no fear of the consequences of being cut up by a genestealer, one would not bother to stop it to begin with. Fear allows one to recognize a potential ambush, or understand a dangerous foe's threat level.

There is a distinct difference between rational fear and irrational fear; marines generally have the latter beat out of them through training and hypnotherapy (though not always successfully, and the ones that don't often turn to Chaos eventually). There's also a distinct difference between rational reaction to fear, and irrational reaction to fear. Ideally, marines have the former trained in to them so that they instinctively use it over the latter from the standpoint of their organization.

While yes, it's a video game, but Dawn of War 2 comes to mind. The veteran Scout sergeant Cyrus rationally warned his team about the dangers of the Tyranid hive fleet and how it could overwhelm the chapter. His teammates mocked him for being afraid, and in a fit of machismo pique, he shouted "I know no fear, Avitus!". But his words expressed a very rational fear of Tyranids and their capabilities, because taking a tyranid invasion seriously is quite important to defeating it.

 Melissia wrote:
Eeeh, the "and they shall feel no fear" line is just macho crap, not something that is reflected in the lore.

 Ashiraya wrote:
No seriously, do not use game mechanics in a fluff context

Why Melissia. Why?!

Because discussing background is more interesting than discussing that.

How many more innocents must die before your thirst for vengeance is sated?

A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
How many more innocents must die before your thirst for vengeance is sated?

There is no innocence. Only differing levels of guilt.

I would rather be an Space Wolf Assault marine. The Camaraderie and wildness of the unit appeals to me. Let the Grey Beards worry about tactics, while me and mine bring joyful slaughter from on high. Lightening Claw and Plasma pistol for me.

Pilot? Please?

If not I'd just hang back as a techmarine

I'm basing this off of the 5th codex, so I may get a few things wrong but I'd say techmarine/ master of the forge because:

- I'm not a very social guy, so I'd prefer the company of machines over battle brothers.
- Being in charge of working on the armory will likely allow me to be "creative" about the armory. (That heavy bolter needs more dakka! Give it three more barrels!)
- Less likely to have orders to go CC against a Carnifex. I'll just stick with a Thunderfire Cannon.
- Who said an extra 1-4 mechanical arms was a bad thing?

Terminator sergeant. Of the assault variety.

Librarian was my obvious first answer because breaking the laws of reality is just far too good to pass up but once I fought off the temptation of UNLIMITED POWER, I figure I would probably be a Devestator Marine. Love me some big guns.

I would probably be a Plasma Cannon operator because the risk of being consumed in the fiery blast of my own self destructing weapon is worth the reward of seeing the Emperor's enemies consumed in a fiery blast containing the rage of a small sun.

i woulden't be a marine, i'd rather have feelings, feel pain and love instead of being the monster tard from the green mile to fight an endless war in a ship with a built in sausage fest 24/7

Primarch

Pilot for myself. A stormfang would be like flying an A-10. Something Ive always wanted to do.

Devastator marine - so i can rain down dakka at a relatively safe distance...usually.

I gotta go with a Grey Hunter enough shooting to keep me content but a nice chainsword/Axe to work out all the built up rage. Plus all the added abilities from being a Son of Russ!

For me, I would choose my favorite model. A Terminator with Assault Cannon and Chainfist. Clearing out Space Hulks 1 Genestealer at a time. Doors are for losers without Chainfists!

A Wolf Guard. Simply because

ha ha ha what the hell is your signature?

Dreadnaught of course, cause as an Iron Hand Player I'd have given my body in service, and now i get a shiney new one with massive weapons

Probably a tank driver. World Of tanks made me kinda want to drive around in a sicaran or predator tank just destroying other vehicles while being protected by heavy armor.


if heresy I would choose RavenGuard Moritat, because I love gunslinging and going out in style.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Deathwatch Tactical Marine Sergeant! (Except Librarians, can't stand them!) The expertise of a 1st Company Vet of any other Chapter, special issue goodies and ammo, perilous missions, and pretty much absolute autonomy is awesome!! Preferably with a sweet power sword and combi-melta.

This. Would be awesome. And the most interesting role for a spacemarine- exposure to new tactics, horrible xenos, inquisitors ect.
Horrific. But awesome

I'd be an assualt Marine in Raven Guard, Jetpacks beat all!

Chapter master cus being the biggest badass in a chapter of badasses with the best armour, best weapons and near invunerability.

Wolf Lord (can feast and get drunk) with Jump pack (Practically able to fly is AWESOME!!!), twin wolf-claws (I love martial arts), and runic armour (I want to live!).

I'd go for Chapter Master, as the idea of being top dog obviously appeals, but you also get all the best amour and weapons and a choice at that. I also think I have quite a good mind for strategy so that would work well.

If I was not a commanding officer, then I'd be an Assault Marine as I don't have a particularly steady hand (wouldn't be great for shooting) and I'd be much better in the thick of it.

A Motf, no doubt. Being an iron hands player even more so. I would probably end up being a more combat oriented one though, wielding my power axe and using my servo harness to crush the fools who dare to oppose the omnissiah.

A dreadnought would be cool too, but it would probably get annoying after a bit, lol

 Panzer1944 wrote:
Thunderwolf Cavalryman with a Frost Axe and Storm Shield.

YES! THIS!!! My only change would be: TWC with Frost SWORD and Storm Shield.

Plus, with my personality and leadership ability, i'd probably end up at least a Wolf Guard Battle Leader on Thunderwolf. Maybe even Wolf Lord.

Although, Wolf Scout does have an appeal to it as well. I'm a fantastic shot, so Camo Wolf Scout with a SM Sniper Rifle. Blowin' peoples' heads off since 30k

SYKOJAK wrote:
For me, I would choose my favorite model. A Terminator with Assault Cannon and Chainfist(?). Clearing out Space Hulks 12 Genestealer(s) at a time. Doors are for losers without Chainfists!

Fixed this for you.

Deathwatch marine. Never a dull day.

Chaplain. I'll give "Bible Basher" a whole new meaning.

Lernean Terminator. Because the Alpha Legion have feth all losses during the HH, and I'd be doubleplusgood safe in Terminator armour.

I'd be happy as a Wolf Guard.

Nothing wrong with putting a good hard days work crushing the enemies of the imperium under my boots, then putting said boots up and enjoying a nice feast.

I absolutely love Librarians and psykers in general, it's the reason why I would want to be a Grey Knight since they are all psykers but in regular Chapters, definitely Librarians.

Hmmm I think driving a land raider around would be pretty boss. Plus I could get the "my other car is a land raider" bumper sticker I've always wanted.

If I can't afford the down payment on the LR I would probably enjoy being a brother captain in the Grey Knights. I think I'd really enjoy running around challenging daemon primarchs like a champ!

A Pre-Heresy Iron Warriors warsmith!
With MK4 armor though.

I chose other. I would like to be a space marine interred in a dreadnought. Especially one in a chapter where they are held in high regard.

Other for me. Damned Legionaire. Got a tricky problem? No worries, I rock up in a coffin and go full metal awesome on the baddies.

Considering how perilous and generally grimdark the 41st millennium is, with the likelihood of a violent, painful death being pretty much a given, any chance that you could add a position in the catering corp as an option?

Would love to get some purity seals for my baking: 'Suffer not the flan to burn' etc.

Vanguard veteran with a Thunder Hammer and storm shield. Love the idea of jumping in and wrecking face, and the storm shield would mean I'd have the chance of taking things down much larger than me.

A dreadnought. In the 40k universe, there's pretty much nothing worse than death, and dreads are pretty close to immortal.

 Jimsolo wrote:
A dreadnought. In the 40k universe, there's pretty much nothing worse than death, and dreads are pretty close to immortal.

Sorry but I really have to disagree with this on so many levels. There's much worse stuff in 40k than death, such as demons, enslavement etc. and you slowly go nuts in a dreadnought and then that would be rubbish

Ig

A grey knight paladin, OR an inquisitor in power armour. Power armoured inquisitors are marines.... right?

Power armoured inquisitors are marines.... right?

No.

No Space Marine wields as much power and authority as an Inquisitor, regardless of a given Space Marine's Chapter or rank.

 Psienesis wrote:

Power armoured inquisitors are marines.... right?

No.

No Space Marine wields as much power and authority as an Inquisitor, regardless of a given Space Marine's Chapter or rank.

He does if he's Grand Master of the Dark Angels.

Not even close. Under certain circumstances or with certain allies in the right place at the right time, a CM might be able to sort of match an Inquisitor... but that's basically expending all his political capital on one move, rather than having it be part-and-parcel of the job.

 Psienesis wrote:
Not even close. Under certain circumstances or with certain allies in the right place at the right time, a CM might be able to sort of match an Inquisitor... but that's basically expending all his political capital on one move, rather than having it be part-and-parcel of the job.

Azrael commands the entire Dark Angels Legion, and on his command could have a buttload of Unforgiven dropping upon somebody that seriously pissed him off and give him a very bad day. Or just kill him, which is the Dark Angels MO. Warp accidents are very common after all.

And... so? That in no way, shape or form puts Azrael on par with an Inquisitor. It provides Azrael with an as-yet-untested means of deploying a large number of Space Marines on a single target... maybe.

I say "untested" because Azrael has not, so far, tried to do this against a high-profile target, of the sort that would cause some/all of the supposedly-subordinate units to pause and think "Wait... do we really want to back this play? Is the Old Man off his rocker?"

Sure, Azrael could disappear a single Inquisitor he doesn't like. Big whoop. Mainly because, if it was later found out that Azrael did this, and if the disappeared Inq was a big enough deal (rather than some virtually-namless mook), then Azrael gets vanished. Probably by his own people before the Punitive Crusade arrives.

Having the ability to call up a bunch of Space Marines to do your dirty work is nowhere near the same thing as having the authority to order the destruction of an entire world (or several worlds), or the destruction of an entire Chapter of Space Marines, when you have evidence in hand to issue such orders.

Devestator marine. Nothing would be more satisfying then mowing down hordes of enemies with a heavy bolter as they charge your location.

Brother-Pilot of a Thunderhawk or if failing that an Apothecary.

I'd like to be a chapter master, since chapter masters wield more power and authority than any other individuals in the imperium bar the High Lords.

... and any Inquisitor.

 Psienesis wrote:
... and any Inquisitor.

Want me to pull up that quote from the Chapter Master entry in the Space Marines codex again?

Scout sniper sergeant. One shot. One kill

Go right ahead.

Imperial Armor Volume 2: Space Marines and the Forces of the Inquisition wrote:

With the exception of the Ministorum (which, in any case is still under outside Imperial restrictions), the Inquisition is the only organisation of Imperial government that is completely autonomous. Unlike other Imperial organisations, it is not a branch of the massive Adeptus Terra, but a self-contained organisation answerable only to itself.

 Psienesis wrote:
Go right ahead.

Imperial Armor Volume 2: Space Marines and the Forces of the Inquisition wrote:

With the exception of the Ministorum (which, in any case is still under outside Imperial restrictions), the Inquisition is the only organisation of Imperial government that is completely autonomous. Unlike other Imperial organisations, it is not a branch of the massive Adeptus Terra, but a self-contained organisation answerable only to itself.

And IA, especially early IA books, are horribly unreliable, filled with flaws, and generally suffer from godawful writing that bears little resemblance to the other fluff.

Didn't the early IA books bring up something absolutely mind bogggingly stupid like pauldrons shooting micromissiles or something to deflect incoming fire?

Ehm... if it's in an IA book, just as with a Codex, that's the info we get. Whether it's good, bad, or indifferent is... irrelevant, really. That's what GW has told us is going on.

I mean, I don't like Murder McMurderWolf from Planet Murderall... but he's a thing in the SW Codex, so he's a thing in the setting.

I don't like the Wolf-pulled hover-chariot, either... but, well, there it is.

 Psienesis wrote:
Ehm... if it's in an IA book, just as with a Codex, that's the info we get. Whether it's good, bad, or indifferent is... irrelevant, really. That's what GW has told us is going on.

I mean, I don't like Murder McMurderWolf from Planet Murderall... but he's a thing in the SW Codex, so he's a thing in the setting.

I don't like the Wolf-pulled hover-chariot, either... but, well, there it is.

It's not a case of not liking it. It's a case of it being flat out wrong and contradicting numerous other sources, often made directly by GW and not one of its umbrella minions. Plus then there's other stupid gak, like virtually every time IA opens its mouth about the stats for a vehicle and reveals the author is a complete idiot who knows nothing about... anything really. Like the armor on a Leman Russ being worse then modern MBT's.

There's no such thing as "wrong" with the fluff from GW. It's all biased, it's all from unreliable narrators. It's all "passed down" to us through a chain of fictional reporters to the GW staff to us.

Like the armor on a Leman Russ being worse then modern MBT's

And it might be, did you ever think about that? Maybe such is the technological degradation of the post-Heresy galaxy that their weapons technology has backslid to WW2 levels, and the other races of the galaxy just aren't as powerful as we fear they might be. Maybe that shuriken rifle is plenty sharp, but not actually all that good at really killing people. Maybe a pulserifle requires such a lightweight munition that, in most cases, all the target suffers is moderate bruising. Ork weapons tend to explode when the trigger is squeeze and, if it doesn't, the fact that they're firing wads of whatever comes to hand means that most of the time, you're getting peppered by grox dung, cigar butts and bits of paper.

As to the Inquisition itself, if we want to draw into more-recent publications from the GW umbrella:

Dark Heresy wrote:As a completely autonomous Imperial organisation beyond the power of the Adeptus Terra, the Inquisition is immensely powerful. As the Inquisition's duties involve the scrutiny and policing of the other organisations of the Imperium, the Inquisition itself is answerable to no higher power except the Emperor. No one, except the Emperor himself, is beyond the scrutiny of the Inquisition. This power is officially known as the Inquisitorial Remit or Inquisitorial Mandate

 Psienesis wrote:
There's no such thing as "wrong" with the fluff from GW. It's all biased, it's all from unreliable narrators. It's all "passed down" to us through a chain of fictional reporters to the GW staff to us.

Like the armor on a Leman Russ being worse then modern MBT's

And it might be, did you ever think about that? Maybe such is the technological degradation of the post-Heresy galaxy that their weapons technology has backslid to WW2 levels, and the other races of the galaxy just aren't as powerful as we fear they might be. Maybe that shuriken rifle is plenty sharp, but not actually all that good at really killing people. Maybe a pulserifle requires such a lightweight munition that, in most cases, all the target suffers is moderate bruising. Ork weapons tend to explode when the trigger is squeeze and, if it doesn't, the fact that they're firing wads of whatever comes to hand means that most of the time, you're getting peppered by grox dung, cigar butts and bits of paper.

Except the very size of the gun would require better, especially when he have far superior feats then what would be capable with WWII armor. Also, the unreliable narrator part of GW fluff is probably dead. I've looked everywhere for the quote but it seems to have vanished from every single GW site, making it debatable if it is true anymore at all. Not to mention it would contradict the very reason of the Black Library or selling books at all.

And arguing that weapons aren't as effective as the math states they are is frankly utter fething stupidity. Something that fires a .75 caliber round or accelerates matter to a state that it becomes plasma is going to take somebody's head clean off, along with the majority of their shoulders. The problem is that GW's codex and campaign writers are blithering idiots who can't be arsed to research anything despite it being literal clicks away. The only people who tend to have their heads screwed on semi-straight are the novelists in the Black Library, although half the time they still can't even pick up a Codex to make sure their facts are straight (Gods of Mars especially bringing this issue up).

Plus, the idea that everything exists in-universe doesn't even function when many of the books we read would be burned in-universe or simply not read or exist given the target audience being a slack-jawed drooling moron incapable of thinking of anything besides burning and maiming.

As to the Inquisition itself, if we want to draw into more-recent publications from the GW umbrella:

Dark Heresy wrote:As a completely autonomous Imperial organisation beyond the power of the Adeptus Terra, the Inquisition is immensely powerful. As the Inquisition's duties involve the scrutiny and policing of the other organisations of the Imperium, the Inquisition itself is answerable to no higher power except the Emperor. No one, except the Emperor himself, is beyond the scrutiny of the Inquisition. This power is officially known as the Inquisitorial Remit or Inquisitorial Mandate

Which only works if they have the force to seize authority. An Inquisitor with just a couple squads of Stormtroopers to his name is going to end up vanishing if he interferes too much with military operations. Plus then there's the opposing quotes from C:SM putting them above reproach from anyone. It's simply who's bluffing and who has the force to back their name up.

Techmarine is in the lead?! Librarian all the way! I wanna shoot some fire!!!

Grey Knight Apothecary, you get mandatory Paladin bodyguards. And you wear Termie armor.

Chaplain...
Gotta love the Skull Helmets...And The Possibility of Working within the Ranks of the Death Company...Too Cool...

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 Jimsolo wrote:
A dreadnought. In the 40k universe, there's pretty much nothing worse than death, and dreads are pretty close to immortal.

Sorry but I really have to disagree with this on so many levels. There's much worse stuff in 40k than death, such as demons, enslavement etc. and you slowly go nuts in a dreadnought and then that would be rubbish

Ig

Everyone who dies in 40k gets their soul torn apart, to linger on in the Warp as nothing but an eternal vestige of a sensation of hellish agony. Dreadnought isn't even a close second to that. Shoot, even being tortured in an ACTUAL hell dimension would be better than that. You MIGHT escape a pocket dimension, but unless you're bestest buddies with Lorgar, you're not coming back from the hell that is death in 40k.

I'd have to say a blood angel sanguinary guard ( yes fielding them in a game is a terrible idea ). Fluff wise these guys are gods not gods in the making but viewed as gods on the battlefiel and also viewed as guardian angels on the battlefield too. Plus golden armor with wings and huge power weapons.

I love how people argue the validity of the tanks in 40k but are completely cool with physical manifestations of FEELINGS wandering around murdering people. LoL.

Anyhow, Assault Marine or Devastator Centurion.

Vanguard Vet. I'm much more stabby then shooty.

Cushy office job in the Phalanx, nothing ever goes down over the- oh.

 Jape wrote:
Cushy office job in the Phalanx, nothing ever goes down over the- oh.

Don't worry, the Iron Warriors are just there because they heard the Phalanx has a smashing disco.

A normal Marine with a power sword, because I may be some random guy but at least I am not the target for the fire or any enemy champions/close combat specialist first, leaving me free to charge recklessly towards the enemy with my power sword and zeal. I have seen what happens when my army gets outflanked, my emperors champion and vanguard veteran squad died in a hail of plasma, bolter and melta . So yeah give me a nice job being the random guy who is not the centre of attention with my squad so I may actually do something other than take half an armies worth of shooting and then fail the 4 inch charge and have another shooting phase to suffer and finally die .

 somestrangeguardsman wrote:
A normal Marine with a power sword, because I may be some random guy but at least I am not the target for the fire or any enemy champions/close combat specialist first, leaving me free to charge recklessly towards the enemy with my power sword and zeal. I have seen what happens when my army gets outflanked, my emperors champion and vanguard veteran squad died in a hail of plasma, bolter and melta . So yeah give me a nice job being the random guy who is not the centre of attention with my squad so I may actually do something other than take half an armies worth of shooting and then fail the 4 inch charge and have another shooting phase to suffer and finally die .

But nameless plebs are the first to die! The Emperor's Champion wears the Armour of Plot with a 2+ rerollable save.

 Deadshot wrote:

 somestrangeguardsman wrote:
A normal Marine with a power sword, because I may be some random guy but at least I am not the target for the fire or any enemy champions/close combat specialist first, leaving me free to charge recklessly towards the enemy with my power sword and zeal. I have seen what happens when my army gets outflanked, my emperors champion and vanguard veteran squad died in a hail of plasma, bolter and melta . So yeah give me a nice job being the random guy who is not the centre of attention with my squad so I may actually do something other than take half an armies worth of shooting and then fail the 4 inch charge and have another shooting phase to suffer and finally die .

But nameless plebs are the first to die! The Emperor's Champion wears the Armour of Plot with a 2+ rerollable save.

true for most, but I roll a 1 when I have a 2+ half the time, can roll 3+ and 4+ for my guardsmen and scouts, just not 2+. To be honest I roll crazy, so might just be my experience, but yeah my normal guys are more reliable with saves and tend not to die unless the enemy is using an AP 3 weapon. I am one of those people that defies normal statistics, everyone knows at least one . Knowing my luck allow me to re roll a 2+ four times I will fail 2 or 3, but give me 9 dice to roll for my favourite but normal marine's save and he will pass most, if not all . Plot armour won't save me, I am doomed if I even considered trying it on. In my Imperium, hero's are just cannon fodder for the nameless plebs fear the random guardsman.

A Thousand Sons Magister templi at the height of their Power in 30k, Or a Great Crusade Era warsmith.

Tech Marine I'm a welder and love working with metal, as well as vehicles. The smell, feel, taste of different metals, all are appealing to me.

Ultramarines Tyrannic War Veteran Apothecary seconded to the Deathwatch.

Veteran Epistolary Librarian Dreadnought seconded to the Deathwatch (That's my current PC in the RPG).

BrotherStynier wrote:Ultramarines Tyrannic War Veteran Apothecary seconded to the Deathwatch.

Talon of Anathrax wrote:Veteran Epistolary Librarian Dreadnought seconded to the Deathwatch (That's my current PC in the RPG).

Deathwatch mind.

Unfortunately I havent gotten to play the Apothecary, only time I have played I was a Raven Guard Sniper. (Using home ruling cause they didn't have rules yet, and the Superior Raptors rules hadn't come out yet either. That delicious, delicious Chapter Trapping sight)

I picked Chapter Master because I am that guy who will call down an orbital barrage on a half beaten enemy 15 feet away, then charge them!


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Plus I dual wield thunder hammers IRL...


... That might be a bassist joke...

A regular Space Marine Tactical. Well trained, experienced, wields one of the most versatile weapons the Imperium can offer in masse and has gear for most circumstances - A combat blade for close quarters, grenades for boom of varying colours, spare ammunition, a healthpack or two, some amulets of my Chapter and of my faith and, within my armour, safely tucked away so the Chaplain don't see it, a little memoria of the home I'll never see again... Love for home can be stronger than faith of the Emperor

Maybe I get a commotion for my valiant actions against the Tyranids on Ultramar and are elevated to 1st Veteran, because I don't fit as a leader. Maybe the Chaplains discover my defunct indoctrination and want my open mind fixed. Maybe my Chapter Commander don't want to lose a warrior with such experience and fervour in battle, and so sends me off to the Deathwatch to fight Tyranids. Maybe I advance and become a Sergeant there, showing my skills with a regular weapon and how experience accounts for much to any warrior, how the fears of a common soldier is better than the steeled mind of a zealot. Maybe my body is destroyed and put into a dreadnought, now revered for both my experience, fortitude and strength. Maybe I'm made Captain of the Deathwatch. Maybe I stay a Tactical.

That's the thing that Tacticals get that others don't - Possibilities. Futures.

To quote Aaron Dembski Bowden: "Maybe you come, maybe you go. Maybe, maybe, maybe."

Assault Marine. Death from Above!

Chaplain sounds like alot of fun, plus cool skull mask. Where do I sign up?

Chaplain for sure would be fun. Leading the battle in the honor of the emperor and getting other marines pumped up to kill or be killed. Close combat with a big holy power mace! Also as a Black Templar the Chaplains mean a little more than other chapters.

Otherwise Devastator Marine, or Predator Driver would be pretty fun. I want to fire the big guns and watch stuff explode.

Given I have a tendency to become an angry marine irl and have had some rather passionate outbursts,
I would have to be a chaplain, since they do the most cursing and holy smiting, but I'd add more F*** YOUs to my holy liturgies.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Given I have a tendency to become an angry marine irl and have had some rather passionate outbursts,
I would have to be a chaplain, since they do the most cursing and holy smiting, but I'd add more F*** YOUs to my holy liturgies.

So Samuel Jackson the Chaplain?

I would love to be a chaplin, yelling alot, reading books, cool looking mace!

"FAITH IS PUREST WHEN IT IS UNQUESTIONED!"

 Wyzilla wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Given I have a tendency to become an angry marine irl and have had some rather passionate outbursts,
I would have to be a chaplain, since they do the most cursing and holy smiting, but I'd add more F*** YOUs to my holy liturgies.

So Samuel Jackson the Chaplain?

You sir, have hit the nail so perfectly, it is better than on the head.

Sammuel L. Jackson for Chaplain in Space Marine movie. Hopefully it gets made before he dies.

Dreadnought. If you live in 40k, with their form of afterlife, any measure to stave off death indefinitely is preferable to the alternative.

First company veteran! Best equipment ever

Scout sniper! Sneaking around and pulling off sick 180° no-scopes and multiple headshots with the same bullet

Techmarine for me, working with machine Spirits would be interesting.