I just snagged a copy of Nagash and began reading various parts of the storyline as I'm super excited to see it move forward. Anyone else read through it yet? I've yet to read more than a chapter and a half (not in order mind you), and it's already like Game of Thrones.

Anyone begun reading through it yet? After reading what I've read...

Big Spoilers. Take Caution!


I can only imagine where they're going to take this series, and I'm definitely looking forward to reading the rest of this book. Thoughts from anyone?

 Buttlerthepug wrote:
I just snagged a copy of Nagash and began reading various parts of the storyline as I'm super excited to see it move forward. Anyone else read through it yet? I've yet to read more than a chapter and a half (not in order mind you), and it's already like Game of Thrones.

Anyone begun reading through it yet? After reading what I've read...

Big Spoilers. Take Caution!

Spoiler:

So much death... Gelt has betrayed the Empire to join Nagash, Crom is dead, Franz is dead, Settra is dead... So much death!

I can only imagine where they're going to take this series, and I'm definitely looking forward to reading the rest of this book. Thoughts from anyone?

Gelt was kind of tricked into it, The Changeling set him up, and Vlad didn't help by giving him some extra reading material. Karl Franz survived the fall, as did his Griffon, Settra is alive and possibly now aided by Chaos.

But ya, there was quite a bit of death. King Kazador had always been one of my favorite Dwarf Characters, although his model was extremely dated and Heinrich Kemmler was my favorite Necromancer model and character of all time. Eltharion, King Louen, The Fey Enchantress, possibly Thorek Ironbrow. I'm sure I'm missing some, but it was a lot to take in for one book!

I liked the bit with King Phar, all the rest of the Tomb Kings aside from those that weren't killed in the final battle with Settra bent the knee, and he's like "Nah, I'm going out like a real King should!" Dies futilely. He was never a major character outside of Tomb Kings fluff, but the way he died endeared him to me!

I heard the Green Knight took off his helmet. What does this mean?

 Wilytank wrote:
I heard the Green Knight took off his helmet. What does this mean?

Really bad helmet hair?

 Wilytank wrote:
I heard the Green Knight took off his helmet. What does this mean?

He's Sigmar.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
I heard the Green Knight took off his helmet. What does this mean?

He's Sigmar.

It means the Lady of the Lake is really the Lad of the Lake.

Any interesting stuff happened to G&O?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Any interesting stuff happened to G&O?

No. Only effective armies get featured.


But seriously. They have a view scenarios.

So is this book really THAT good i have to buy it?

Karl is still kickin just fine, but Volkmar is dead (literally used as the vessel for Nagash).

Some other highlights:

Kislev is gone.

Everqueen is dead.

Teclis is a Machiavellian bastard (and good at it).

Apophis seems dead.

Nagash is now Nekharan god of the underworld so no such thing as tomb kings magic anymore.

Skaven seemed to have taken over Esalia and Tilia in one of the most vauge explanations ever. Seriously, areas as large as the Empire are just taken over and we get like one paraghraph? Just my beef.

Wilytank wrote:I heard the Green Knight took off his helmet. What does this mean?

Apparently it means that he was Gilles le Breton this entire time.

As for the O&G their section seems to be saying that Grimgor is gathering powerful warbosses to his side for a great battle. Hopefully one of the future end times books will feature them more prominently.

Also (this is more of a guess of mine) in one of the side stories it seems that Teclis is working with a mysterious figure (I think it is Malekith) about how he sacrificed the evershild to resurrect Nagash as part of a plan to defeat the chaos gods.

 KingGarland wrote:

Wilytank wrote:I heard the Green Knight took off his helmet. What does this mean?

Also (this is more of a guess of mine) in one of the side stories it seems that Teclis is working with a mysterious figure (I think it is Malekith) about how he sacrificed the evershild to resurrect Nagash as part of a plan to defeat the chaos gods.

Well. Considering Teclis isn't meant to talk to this person, and this person calls Teclis his nephew. It's pretty much obvious that it's Malekith.

 namiel wrote:
So is this book really THAT good i have to buy it?

I'd say its an absolute must to anyone that is a fan of the Warhammer lore. If you're not a fan of the ruleset, E-bay it, as I'm sure there are some WHFB players not at all interested in the lore part.

Pfff. GW burnt me once with Storm of Chaos. As if they'd advance the fluff.

Inb4 Mario 2 plot twist.

Is there any mention of Ogres in the end of times? I've seen people mention most other factions even if only in passing but nothing on them.

Ogres are given a passing mention.

Some tribes went north to fight against/with Chaos, some tribes went west to fight with/for the Empire, and what was left of Greasus Goldtooth's kingdom traveled west as a whole, since the Mountains of Mourn were erupting and in an uproar to the point where they couldn't stay, I think they called it the biggest Ogre migration since their first one where they fought and destroyed the Sky Titans.

There is a brief mention of an ogre mercenary and his band fighting with the Empire against the Chaos invasion.

Only faction not mentioned are the Chaos Dwarves, and that's kind of par the course, unfortunately.

 nels1031 wrote:
Only faction not mentioned are the Chaos Dwarves, and that's kind of par the course, unfortunately.

All real armies ARE mentioned.

I should've used a different word. Region, maybe.

Tilea, Estalia, Kislev and even the Great Bastion in the east are mentioned to various degrees, but what's going on in the Chaos Dwarf land (forget the name) isn't even given a passing mention.

Wasn't commenting on the status of Chaos Dwarves as an army.

 nels1031 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
So is this book really THAT good i have to buy it?

I'd say its an absolute must to anyone that is a fan of the Warhammer lore. If you're not a fan of the ruleset, E-bay it, as I'm sure there are some WHFB players not at all interested in the lore part.

ok so i aquired the first book just now and im 4 pages in, holy

This all sounds pretty awesome. I wish they'd do something similar for 40k

I mean, seriously guys. Settra is not dead. Everyone, please stop thinking that.

Anyone else think the Nameless might be Constant Drachenfels?

 KingGarland wrote:

As for the O&G their section seems to be saying that Grimgor is gathering powerful warbosses to his side for a great battle. Hopefully one of the future end times books will feature them more prominently.

It sounded more like Grimgor alone was too killy to lead, and Skarsnik alone was too sneaky to lead, but together they were going to make up the perfect combination of brutal and cunning. Curious to see how 2 huge OnG names (3 if you count Wurrzag) will play out when side by side. Especially given their specialties...

 grendel083 wrote:
Anyone else think the Nameless might be Constant Drachenfels?

Ya, I thought the same. They called him a "great enchanter" and how he was defeated recently in the Grey Mountains or some such, which fits with the Genevieve stuff.

Honestly, I loved the book. I sincerely hope GW will get desperate and do the same thing for 40k; this is the first time I've actually gotten into Fantasy's fluff since first reading it all years and years ago.

The writing is excellent, they're not afraid to shake things up, kill people (though, oddly enough, only the ones with badly outdated models), and destroy whole civilizations and one god.

That being said, it was rather lazy just wiping out Estalia and Tilea; basically GW going, "Yeah, we're never doing Dogs of War again, that's what you get for liking pikemen and Italians."

Must say this thread is really making me want a copy to read!

It will be particularly interesting to see if any of these progressions in the story line are retconned by a new edition or when army books get updated next. Do we think that's likely?

Damn, Christmas can't come soon enough... stupid waiting!

I'm hoping that there's a Chaos End Times book that brings back Amon'Chakai. Nagash isn't the only Lvl5 in the history of the Old World.

Got the book today and....HOLY HELL indeed sums up my feelings for it, I like it but damn! There are a lot of missery indeed in this book

 Platuan4th wrote:
I'm hoping that there's a Chaos End Times book that brings back Amon'Chakai. Nagash isn't the only Lvl5 in the history of the Old World.

If you get Amon'Chakai, I want Constant Drachenfels.

I'm really hoping the whole forces of Chaos join up like Undead-mans.

Also, I will believe that Settra is dead if I want to. even if i'm wrong all the time.

I'm hoping there is a chaos end times book so I can field beastmen, Daemons and mortals in the same army once more.

In some ways, I'm glad the story line is apparently moving on, but I'm not optimistic it will stay that way. This has happened before with the storm of magic, and in 40k with the eye of terror campaign.

But I do want to see a uber archaon, that would be pure awesome.

 buddha wrote:

Kislev is gone.

Skaven seemed to have taken over Esalia and Tilia in one of the most vauge explanations ever. Seriously, areas as large as the Empire are just taken over and we get like one paraghraph? Just my beef.

Guess I shouldn't honestly be surprised anymore as this has been a slow death for an agonizing time, but I honestly find the a blurb of a paragraph to be rather abhorrent. Would it have killed them to at least detail some last stands with what little dignity we had left? Was the Border Princes mentioned at all in this? Then of course, we have the humans outside the continent - Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Albion, etc. - what about them?

 welshhoppo wrote:
But I do want to see a uber archaon, that would be pure awesome.

Oh hell yes... Uber-Archaon vs Uber-Nagash.

The Hordes of Chaos vs The Undead Legion... and then the good guys roll in and mop up the survivors because the show must go on.

 welshhoppo wrote:
I'm hoping there is a chaos end times book so I can field beastmen, Daemons and mortals in the same army once more.

You already can thanks to the Tamurkhan book.

 Goldshield wrote:

 buddha wrote:

Kislev is gone.

Skaven seemed to have taken over Esalia and Tilia in one of the most vauge explanations ever. Seriously, areas as large as the Empire are just taken over and we get like one paraghraph? Just my beef.

Guess I shouldn't honestly be surprised anymore as this has been a slow death for an agonizing time, but I honestly find the a blurb of a paragraph to be rather abhorrent. Would it have killed them to at least detail some last stands with what little dignity we had left? Was the Border Princes mentioned at all in this? Then of course, we have the humans outside the continent - Cathay, Nippon, Araby, Albion, etc. - what about them?

Skaven have most of the Border Princes and undead have the rest from memory. The Great Bastion of Cathay... not so great anymore.

.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
Only faction not mentioned are the Chaos Dwarves, and that's kind of par the course, unfortunately.

All real armies ARE mentioned.

Sounds like someone has magma cannon butt hurt! The tribes of the north would be hitting themselves with sticks without the forges of Zharr Nagrund!

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
I'm really hoping the whole forces of Chaos join up like Undead-mans.

Also, I will believe that Settra is dead if I want to. even if i'm wrong all the time.

Why? Do you hate Settra or something?

I mean, honestly, the ending of the book got me the most excited I've ever been towards actual fluff.

Techincally Settra was always dead. Except when he was alive. But then he was dead for a while then Nagash broke him. And now he's going to become a Daemon Prince no doubt.

Also, I would imagine the Skaven invasion of Tilea, Estalia and Araby will be covered in detail in End Times: Thanquol (I hope)

Sim-Life wrote:
Techincally Settra was always dead. Except when he was alive. But then he was dead for a while then Nagash broke him. And now he's going to become a Daemon Prince no doubt.

Also, I would imagine the Skaven invasion of Tilea, Estalia and Araby will be covered in detail in End Times: Thanquol (I hope)

Ah ha, yes, he is technically "dead". But he is undead, being alive, not dead, but still dead. Point being, his soul still resides in his body, not in the underworld. Therefor, he is still "undead", if you wanna put it that way. He is alive. And I'm assuming the becoming a daemon prince is just for the lols.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

 KingGarland wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

*sigh*....yes he "betrayed" the Empire, but for good reasons. He wads trying to kill Valten to defend the Emperor, and yeah, he did side with Vlad in the End, because they knew what was happening. And if Vlad wanted to conquer the Empire, why didn't he? Because he didn't want to. He was protecting the Empire. He's fighting back against the Daemons.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

*sigh*....yes he "betrayed" the Empire, but for good reasons. He wads trying to kill Valten to defend the Emperor, and yeah, he did side with Vlad in the End, because they knew what was happening. And if Vlad wanted to conquer the Empire, why didn't he? Because he didn't want to. He was protecting the Empire. He's fighting back against the Daemons.

Vlad's not protecting the Empire. He's keeping Chaos away from Sylvania, at least from my perspective.

There were some things that confused me about the story, wonder if you guys could shine a light on them:

A) Is Nagash still under Aenarion's Curse by the end? It was talked about for a bit, then was never mentioned again. Seems a bit strange when it was supposed to be a part of Teclis' and his Uncle's plan.
B) Is there anyone in lore who could fit the bill as the Nameless?
C) I get that Akhan, Mannfred, Vlad, Neferata and Krell are the only confirmed Mortarchs at the moment, but are the Nameless, Harkon, Dieter and Khalida being set up as the other ones?

The only other I don't get is how Walach and Settra are influenced by Chaos? I was under the assumption that because the Undead don't pass on to the Chaos Realm, they were immune to their powers?

Vedrenne wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

*sigh*....yes he "betrayed" the Empire, but for good reasons. He wads trying to kill Valten to defend the Emperor, and yeah, he did side with Vlad in the End, because they knew what was happening. And if Vlad wanted to conquer the Empire, why didn't he? Because he didn't want to. He was protecting the Empire. He's fighting back against the Daemons.

Vlad's not protecting the Empire. He's keeping Chaos away from Sylvania, at least from my perspective.

There were some things that confused me about the story, wonder if you guys could shine a light on them:

A) Is Nagash still under Aenarion's Curse by the end? It was talked about for a bit, then was never mentioned again. Seems a bit strange when it was supposed to be a part of Teclis' and his Uncle's plan.
B) Is there anyone in lore who could fit the bill as the Nameless?
C) I get that Akhan, Mannfred, Vlad, Neferata and Krell are the only confirmed Mortarchs at the moment, but are the Nameless, Harkon, Dieter and Khalida being set up as the other ones?

The only other I don't get is how Walach and Settra are influenced by Chaos? I was under the assumption that because the Undead don't pass on to the Chaos Realm, they were immune to their powers?

No idea on the Nameless, but the rest of the Mortarchs were actually mentioned, so they don't need more. And no, he's not under the curse at the end. He gets his full power back. And how is Settra influenced by chaos? Is that the voice he hears in the end?

 krodarklorr wrote:

Vedrenne wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

*sigh*....yes he "betrayed" the Empire, but for good reasons. He wads trying to kill Valten to defend the Emperor, and yeah, he did side with Vlad in the End, because they knew what was happening. And if Vlad wanted to conquer the Empire, why didn't he? Because he didn't want to. He was protecting the Empire. He's fighting back against the Daemons.

Vlad's not protecting the Empire. He's keeping Chaos away from Sylvania, at least from my perspective.

There were some things that confused me about the story, wonder if you guys could shine a light on them:

A) Is Nagash still under Aenarion's Curse by the end? It was talked about for a bit, then was never mentioned again. Seems a bit strange when it was supposed to be a part of Teclis' and his Uncle's plan.
B) Is there anyone in lore who could fit the bill as the Nameless?
C) I get that Akhan, Mannfred, Vlad, Neferata and Krell are the only confirmed Mortarchs at the moment, but are the Nameless, Harkon, Dieter and Khalida being set up as the other ones?

The only other I don't get is how Walach and Settra are influenced by Chaos? I was under the assumption that because the Undead don't pass on to the Chaos Realm, they were immune to their powers?

No idea on the Nameless, but the rest of the Mortarchs were actually mentioned, so they don't need more. And no, he's not under the curse at the end. He gets his full power back. And how is Settra influenced by chaos? Is that the voice he hears in the end?

It's heavily hinted.

 thedarkavenger wrote:


It's heavily hinted.

Well damn. Fair enough. Either way, I'm looking forward to him getting his revenge. Should be epic.

There's myself and another in this very thread that think The Nameless is Constant Drachenfels.

There are a few clues when The Nameless is introduced in the Nagash story that coincide with the Drachenfels lore. I thought it was a nice touch and a nod to past Warhammer fluff, as he was the Nagash of old Warhammer lore before there was Nagash, if that makes sense.

Hang on - Vlads back? How exactly did that happen?

Nagash ripped a piece of Mannfreds flesh off and was able to resurrect Vlad from the blood link that they share.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

*sigh*....yes he "betrayed" the Empire, but for good reasons. He wads trying to kill Valten to defend the Emperor, and yeah, he did side with Vlad in the End, because they knew what was happening. And if Vlad wanted to conquer the Empire, why didn't he? Because he didn't want to. He was protecting the Empire. He's fighting back against the Daemons.

I can image some cool Empire vs Empire games based solely upon the treason/not-treason argument you fellas are having.

Fun stuff.

 gummynerds wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

Gelt didn't betray the Empire, so to speak. He merely utilized tools that everyone else was too afraid to use in order to save the emperor and the Empire. Allying with a Vampire may seem bad, but if it means helping to save your empire and defeat the demons? Come on. It's basically what Arthas did in Warcraft, minus the killing his own guys and becoming the lich king.

Another spoiler guys. Karl Franz is not dead either

.

Actually it is pretty clear by the end that he has betrayed the Empire. The laws of the Empire are clear enough that the use of illegal magic is a bad enough crime that almost his entire order can get destroyed on the suspicion that Gelt's corruption has passed through the entire Gold college. And don't forget he himself murdered that guy who wanted to tell on him, killed a hole lot more trying to kill Valten and by the end it is pretty obvious that he has become a thrall to Vlad and if siding with a Vampire that wants to conquer the Empire is not treason then I don't know what is.

*sigh*....yes he "betrayed" the Empire, but for good reasons. He wads trying to kill Valten to defend the Emperor, and yeah, he did side with Vlad in the End, because they knew what was happening. And if Vlad wanted to conquer the Empire, why didn't he? Because he didn't want to. He was protecting the Empire. He's fighting back against the Daemons.

I can image some cool Empire vs Empire games based solely upon the treason/not-treason argument you fellas are having.

Fun stuff.

It's what Triumph and Treachery was made for!

Kislev is gone?
Lame. I still have the Ice Queen figure. :(

 nels1031 wrote:
There's myself and another in this very thread that think The Nameless is Constant Drachenfels.

There are a few clues when The Nameless is introduced in the Nagash story that coincide with the Drachenfels lore. I thought it was a nice touch and a nod to past Warhammer fluff, as he was the Nagash of old Warhammer lore before there was Nagash, if that makes sense.

I do really, really hope it is Constant, but if it really is and Nagash does give him his memory back (which he probably would, even Arkhan says that Nagash is not ungenerous to those that serve him) it would be the biggest blunder Nagash could possibly make as he is more than powerful enough to take Nagash head-on and win, then the Old World would have something to truly fear

I think the new book is great, i like how in it they use specific references to things like units/magic/characters that are straight out of the game, instead of creating an entirely new universe like what storm of chaos was. Very well written.

The guy running the my local store reckons that this is just the first book of a four part series. The next to include skaven, chaos and then the good guys. Anyone else heard anything similar?

i like the fact that the whole character list is being changed around with some big names coming back and some being killed off. Makes things interesting.

 Madmatt wrote:
I think the new book is great, i like how in it they use specific references to things like units/magic/characters that are straight out of the game, instead of creating an entirely new universe like what storm of chaos was. Very well written.

The guy running the my local store reckons that this is just the first book of a four part series. The next to include skaven, chaos and then the good guys. Anyone else heard anything similar?

i like the fact that the whole character list is being changed around with some big names coming back and some being killed off. Makes things interesting.

I have hear that it is the first in a four part series as well. From what I have heard (remember that this is mostly rumors, so I could be completely wrong) the next will be a book focusing on the Chaos invasion, the third a Skaven book and the last I am not sure but I also heard it will focus on the empire and maybe Bretonnia.

Yeah he also mentioned that this will be a test and if it goes well they will do something similar for 40k and maybe bring back a few primarchs and other famous characters.

see what happens i suppose but very interesting times, if only i had more money/time.

 Madmatt wrote:
Yeah he also mentioned that this will be a test and if it goes well they will do something similar for 40k and maybe bring back a few primarchs and other famous characters.

see what happens i suppose but very interesting times, if only i had more money/time.

As I've said in previous posts, I hope they don't do the same thing for 40k. And what you just mentioned solidified that opinion. I do NOT wanna see Primarchs. Period. Not just because I hate SM and think the Imperium doesn't need more stuff, but also because they would be EXTREMELY powerful, and what would the Xenos get? Exactly....


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 Madmatt wrote:
I think the new book is great, i like how in it they use specific references to things like units/magic/characters that are straight out of the game, instead of creating an entirely new universe like what storm of chaos was. Very well written.

I loved how they described people using Purple Sun and Plague of Rust and other spells. Was rather entertaining, and I agree it was very well written. I will probably end up getting the other books solely for the story.

[MOD EDIT - Not even close to on topic here! Alpharius]

I just hope they add some fresh artwork, all the art in the book is fantastic but most of it was re-used material. Good artwork would have to be one of my favorite parts. It really adds to book. like they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

 buddha wrote:
Karl is still kickin just fine, but Volkmar is dead (literally used as the vessel for Nagash).

Some other highlights:

Kislev is gone.

Everqueen is dead.

Teclis is a Machiavellian bastard (and good at it).

Apophis seems dead.

Nagash is now Nekharan god of the underworld so no such thing as tomb kings magic anymore.

Skaven seemed to have taken over Esalia and Tilia in one of the most vauge explanations ever. Seriously, areas as large as the Empire are just taken over and we get like one paraghraph? Just my beef.

Man the bit about Kislev breaks my heart as it's been one of my favorite Warhammer nations!

I gotta say though I've made at least 1 character for every race with full backgrounds and the advancement of the fluff is gonna add some interesting twists to my characters. I'll also be curious to see if this is gonna be a "clean slate" for some of the races, for instance whith King Leon being dead I see that as a segway into alot of changes if the Brettonians ever get a new book.

Any Lizardmen fluff?

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Karl is still kickin just fine, but Volkmar is dead (literally used as the vessel for Nagash).

Some other highlights:

Kislev is gone.

Everqueen is dead.

Teclis is a Machiavellian bastard (and good at it).

Apophis seems dead.

Nagash is now Nekharan god of the underworld so no such thing as tomb kings magic anymore.

Skaven seemed to have taken over Esalia and Tilia in one of the most vauge explanations ever. Seriously, areas as large as the Empire are just taken over and we get like one paraghraph? Just my beef.

Man the bit about Kislev breaks my heart as it's been one of my favorite Warhammer nations!

I gotta say though I've made at least 1 character for every race with full backgrounds and the advancement of the fluff is gonna add some interesting twists to my characters. I'll also be curious to see if this is gonna be a "clean slate" for some of the races, for instance whith King Leon being dead I see that as a segway into alot of changes if the Brettonians ever get a new book.

Any Lizardmen fluff?

A lot of changes for Bretonnia as it is revealed that the Green Knight is in fact Gilles le Breton returned to reclaim the throne.

As for the Lizardmen they get very little fluff. As in one page out of 290. The important part is that Mazdamundi has declared the great plan a failure and that something called "The Exodus" has begun. Guess they decided to cut and run.

 KingGarland wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Karl is still kickin just fine, but Volkmar is dead (literally used as the vessel for Nagash).

Some other highlights:

Kislev is gone.

Everqueen is dead.

Teclis is a Machiavellian bastard (and good at it).

Apophis seems dead.

Nagash is now Nekharan god of the underworld so no such thing as tomb kings magic anymore.

Skaven seemed to have taken over Esalia and Tilia in one of the most vauge explanations ever. Seriously, areas as large as the Empire are just taken over and we get like one paraghraph? Just my beef.

Man the bit about Kislev breaks my heart as it's been one of my favorite Warhammer nations!

I gotta say though I've made at least 1 character for every race with full backgrounds and the advancement of the fluff is gonna add some interesting twists to my characters. I'll also be curious to see if this is gonna be a "clean slate" for some of the races, for instance whith King Leon being dead I see that as a segway into alot of changes if the Brettonians ever get a new book.

Any Lizardmen fluff?

A lot of changes for Bretonnia as it is revealed that the Green Knight is in fact Gilles le Breton returned to reclaim the throne.

As for the Lizardmen they get very little fluff. As in one page out of 290. The important part is that Mazdamundi has declared the great plan a failure and that something called "The Exodus" has begun. Guess they decided to cut and run.

Eh no surprise there it's always been rumored that the Green Knight was Gilles.

As for The Exodus makes me wonder if it's off world or just out of Lustria, I can see the Lizards initiating a campaign to destroy the younger races and whipe the slate clean

The Great Plan an Exodus definitely seem to be something that was thought out long before any of this started, and with a name like that I can only hope we get some more info on the Old Ones. Most likely just wishful thinking though

"To the spaceships...."

To be honest, I have one suspicion re the Lizardmen as to how they may end up 'levelling up' for the end times - Nagash has fundamentally changed the laws of magic and the nature of life, death and undeath. I can't help but wonder how this affects lord Kroak....

locarno24 wrote:
"To the spaceships...."

Y'know, in the 40K thread there's a debate as to what GW is going to do once they update all the codexes for 7th Edition (they only have 3 left to go). Somebody suggested a new race, which we all laughed at, but now I read this "Exodus" stuff and I think.... what if that's the plan? Move the Lizardmen into 40K?

squidhills wrote:

locarno24 wrote:
"To the spaceships...."

Y'know, in the 40K thread there's a debate as to what GW is going to do once they update all the codexes for 7th Edition (they only have 3 left to go). Somebody suggested a new race, which we all laughed at, but now I read this "Exodus" stuff and I think.... what if that's the plan? Move the Lizardmen into 40K?

http://youtu.be/4bFmqO7IF_A?t=48s

Awesome thread, guys! I am definitely going to buy the book! It's pretty exciting to have relevant, impactful fluff.

I AM hoping for some "Primarch Level" characters, though, especially with the Level 5 mastery of Nagash. I want to see some other Uber-heroes rise up to meet him. I missed "Hero Hammer" so maybe I am just not "getting it" in terms of game impact, but seeing Nagash got blown up by a cannonball in that last fantasy battle report, they are not unkillable.

Anyway, go heroes!


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 Paradigm wrote:
This all sounds pretty awesome. I wish they'd do something similar for 40k

And in reference to this (I know it's off topic, but...), I went to Nottingham this summer and some of the writers got asked this directly. "Will the timeline move on?" And the answer was "no"--they are happy with the universe where it is.

So it's exciting to me to see Warhammer moving the story along.

Vedrenne wrote:



C) I get that Akhan, Mannfred, Vlad, Neferata and Krell are the only confirmed Mortarchs at the moment, but are the Nameless, Harkon, Dieter and Khalida being set up as the other ones?

Didn't Harkon die when when Vlad turned his dragon against him after the Blood Dragons turned to Chaos? I've just started the section where Nagash marches against the Tomb Kings, so I wasn't sure if he somehow came back.


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 krodarklorr wrote:

 Madmatt wrote:
Yeah he also mentioned that this will be a test and if it goes well they will do something similar for 40k and maybe bring back a few primarchs and other famous characters.

see what happens i suppose but very interesting times, if only i had more money/time.

As I've said in previous posts, I hope they don't do the same thing for 40k. And what you just mentioned solidified that opinion. I do NOT wanna see Primarchs. Period. Not just because I hate SM and think the Imperium doesn't need more stuff, but also because they would be EXTREMELY powerful, and what would the Xenos get? Exactly....

We already have Primarchs in 40K thanks to Forgeworld. With Lords of War being a part of the regular game, I don't see any real issues with the Primarchs being in the game as long as they are priced appropriately. In all honesty, they should be at the level of your standard greater daemon, possibly a bit more. Say the killy-ness of a Bloodthirster, the utility of a Lord of Change, and the endurance of a GUO all in one artificer armour package.

I personally would LOVE to see this sort of thing happen in 40K. Since End Times is more or less a heavy retcon of Storm of Chaos, why not continue with the current retcon of Eye of Terror and give us a 40K version of End Times.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Vedrenne wrote:



C) I get that Akhan, Mannfred, Vlad, Neferata and Krell are the only confirmed Mortarchs at the moment, but are the Nameless, Harkon, Dieter and Khalida being set up as the other ones?

Didn't Harkon die when when Vlad turned his dragon against him after the Blood Dragons turned to Chaos? I've just started the section where Nagash marches against the Tomb Kings, so I wasn't sure if he somehow came back.

There are two Harkons, Walach Harkon, of the Blood Dragons who switched sides and went with Chaos and became undead dragon food, and Luthor Harkon, who is the lord of The Vampire Coast in Lustria. He gets some "screen" time in the assault on Khemri. I think he actually bails Manfred out when he is getting beaten by the Tomb Kings.

 nels1031 wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Vedrenne wrote:



C) I get that Akhan, Mannfred, Vlad, Neferata and Krell are the only confirmed Mortarchs at the moment, but are the Nameless, Harkon, Dieter and Khalida being set up as the other ones?

Didn't Harkon die when when Vlad turned his dragon against him after the Blood Dragons turned to Chaos? I've just started the section where Nagash marches against the Tomb Kings, so I wasn't sure if he somehow came back.

There are two Harkons, Walach Harkon, of the Blood Dragons who switched sides and went with Chaos and became undead dragon food, and Luthor Harkon, who is the lord of The Vampire Coast in Lustria. He gets some "screen" time in the assault on Khemri. I think he actually bails Manfred out when he is getting beaten by the Tomb Kings.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. My WHFB vampire-fu is not strong

Is there a possibility my favourite vampire of all time Abhorash returns and takes action?

Edit: Also I originally thought this Lizardmen Exodus thing was the Slann giving up hope and simply wanting to destroy themselves since there is no longer a motive to exist if the great plan failed. Now I imagine (hope to god) that it means the entire kingdom will march out on a path to destroy every being on the planet as a means to start a fresh.

I just started reading Kinslayer the latest Gotrek and Felix novel and it takes place during the End Times.

So far Erengrad has been annexed into the Empire.

The Tzarina hasn't been confirmed as dead, there are still Keslivite forces fighting against Chaos.

Gotrek was at Praag when it fell, also Kislev fell to Chaos before the Empire even had a chance to hear of the attack.

Felix is working for Kurt Helborg making propaganda about the war.

The Skaven have moved into the south and are absent from the Northern cities (possibly due to Estalia and Tillia?).

The Empire is taking a "The enemy of my enemy" stance as they have given individuals the rank of General knowing they are Vampires.

The Troll King Throgg has taken control of Praag.

There is little to no communication coming from Brettonia.

High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer has allied the Dwarves with the Elves to combat the forces of Chaos.

There is a great wall of magic created by the Wizards of the Empire that is literally keeping Chaos at bay.

Jesus I really need to buy the book, why does everything I read about the End Times manifest into a warhammer wet dream? Hype for Archaon's book rising chaotically.


What I want most though? Art work of all these epic moments, a mass Skaven invasion, Chaos decimating the Kislev armies, Gilles revealing himself. Really hope to see some of this stuff in picture.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
What I want most though? Art work of all these epic moments, a mass Skaven invasion, Chaos decimating the Kislev armies, Gilles revealing himself. Really hope to see some of this stuff in picture.

There are quite a few re-used art pieces from current/old army books and rule books, but there are a number of new pieces that are absolutely stunning. The one that portrays the moment that Nagash is re-summoned is particularly vivid. There are also some pretty cool panoramic style battle scenes re-created with painted models that are nice.

Can't obtain a version of this book to save my life. Everywhere has been sold out for weeks, sadly enough I want the full deal (both books) and am not prepared to overpay to get it off of ebay -_-


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I do hope the end-times of fantasy will be better for human-kind then it is for 40K though, 40K is literally the end of humanity and the final stages.

I really hope that some how humans manage to pull through xD

alex87 wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
What I want most though? Art work of all these epic moments, a mass Skaven invasion, Chaos decimating the Kislev armies, Gilles revealing himself. Really hope to see some of this stuff in picture.

There are quite a few re-used art pieces from current/old army books and rule books, but there are a number of new pieces that are absolutely stunning. The one that portrays the moment that Nagash is re-summoned is particularly vivid. There are also some pretty cool panoramic style battle scenes re-created with painted models that are nice.

Oh dayum! That is the Nagash game book right?

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Can't obtain a version of this book to save my life. Everywhere has been sold out for weeks, sadly enough I want the full deal (both books) and am not prepared to overpay to get it off of ebay -_-


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I do hope the end-times of fantasy will be better for human-kind then it is for 40K though, 40K is literally the end of humanity and the final stages.

I really hope that some how humans manage to pull through xD

Everything will be fine, I foresee. I won't spoil anything just incase you wanted to read through, but A LOT of stuff is happening and the Humans are nowhere near out of the fight.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I just started reading Kinslayer the latest Gotrek and Felix novel and it takes place during the End Times.

Sorry to get off topic but how is Kinslayer?

Caste Drachenfels is now expliecetly where Mannfred got his Sword

Also the female Emmisary to Gelt - Genevieve?? She is from the right part of Bretonia and does not get on with her "Queen" which as a renegade makes sense

lots of pretty mad stuff - not fond of it all (too many hot female chars women being tortured and killed!) but I am impressed by how its both told and shown

Not sure the Everqueen is dead unlike but Settra is not - last page is very good

Has anybody got any theories on the Teclis Malekith partnership??

Possibly bring back Caledor? to deal with Nagash? or sword of Khaine?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Caste Drachenfels is now expliecetly where Mannfred got his Sword

Also the female Emmisary to Gelt - Genevieve?? She is from the right part of Bretonia and does not get on with her "Queen" which as a renegade makes sense

lots of pretty mad stuff - not fond of it all (too many hot female chars women being tortured and killed!) but I am impressed by how its both told and shown

Not sure the Everqueen is dead unlike

Spoiler:

her lovely daughter!

but Settra is not - last page is very good

The last page was an amazing ending to a well done book, IMHO. I will definitely pick up all the others, just for the story alone.

I feel like my flagellants are staring at me from my shelf saying "I told you the end was near..."

What's going on with the Wood Elves?

Warhammer The End Times = what happens when you let Dan Abnett go crazy writing Fantasy background!

To anwser a couple questions

q: hope they do this to 40k
a: No 40k sucks

q: Ogres:
A: they marching into the fight ogre wars!!!!

q: settra dead)?
A: nope he is at the end of the book talking to a voice maybe trying to bring rebirth to tomb kings

My theory is this:

This book made all undead join froces so get ready for some wet dreams.

Nagash gets : tomb kings/ vamps
Archon gets : Beasts daemons warriors.
Malaketh/testicles gets: high/dark elves
Karl franz/ dawrf king/ brets get those 3 armies
Ogres will become mercs and can join froze probly with anyone who will take em
Ocrs are looking for a fist of grok and a hand of mork....so bigger badder orcs goooo

pm713 wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I just started reading Kinslayer the latest Gotrek and Felix novel and it takes place during the End Times.

Sorry to get off topic but how is Kinslayer?

So far I like it it brings the series up to date and actually gives alot of information about Gotrek from his time before becoming a Slayer (and finally the reason behind it). Plus the fact that it takes place during the End Times is giving alot of insight into the current situation, it also brings back alot of old G&F characters so I like it but then again I've always been a fan of the series.

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I just started reading Kinslayer the latest Gotrek and Felix novel and it takes place during the End Times.

Sorry to get off topic but how is Kinslayer?

So far I like it it brings the series up to date and actually gives alot of information about Gotrek from his time before becoming a Slayer (and finally the reason behind it). Plus the fact that it takes place during the End Times is giving alot of insight into the current situation, it also brings back alot of old G&F characters so I like it but then again I've always been a fan of the series.

Sounds like a good read. Thanks.

GrafWattenburg wrote:
I feel like my flagellants are staring at me from my shelf saying "I told you the end was near..."

What's going on with the Wood Elves?

Sooo how mad is Tyrion going to be about:



re Kinslayer - do they bother sorting out that some of the previous books were set are around the narrative around the original storm of Chaos

Is Ulrika mentioned in the ccntext of the End Times/Nagash or Countess Gabriella?

I guess im the only one thats upset about the death of Gorfang Rotgut

Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

 Mr Morden wrote:

GrafWattenburg wrote:
I feel like my flagellants are staring at me from my shelf saying "I told you the end was near..."

What's going on with the Wood Elves?

Spoiler:

Well Ariel is dying so the Everqueen is going to save her - as Ariel's duaghters requested in exchange for help to save her daughter (which they seem to reneage on) - we were discussing ealier today about the merging of the Everequeen and Ariel to link the two "branches" of the Elf race?

Sooo how mad is Tyrion going to be about:

Spoiler:

his daughter being tortured for months and then killed and his brother allowing it?

re Kinslayer - do they bother sorting out that some of the previous books were set are around the narrative around the original storm of Chaos

Is Ulrika mentioned in the ccntext of the End Times/Nagash or Countess Gabriella?

As far as the whole deal with the SoC fluff Felix mentions that he fought Arek Daemonclaw in the last Chaos invasion (who I believe was one of Archaons leutenants) and that Felix had taken at least some part of every major campaign of the last 20 years.

Ulrika is actually a major character in the book.



At the back of the book it does say that the saga of Gotrek will be concluded in the next novel which comes out next year. The slayer may finally find his doom!

Stupid question, is this the big book that comes in the pack with the undead legion book for £50 or the 400+ page book on nagash for £20?

Cheers

Dreich wrote:
Stupid question, is this the big book that comes in the pack with the undead legion book for £50 or the 400+ page book on nagash for £20?

Cheers

The one most people have referenced as far as I know is the big book that comes with the Nagash rules, not the standalone novel.

I want them to do this to 40k, like Paradigm said.

For the longest time Nagash was just some jerk with a dumb helmet.

Now he went off and broke warhammer. Reading all this actually makes me want to get into fantasy.

Redseer wrote:
Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

You're certainly not. He's always been my favourite High Elf special character. As shattered I was with his death, I did think it was certainly a fitting death for the Grim Warden.

alex87 wrote:

Redseer wrote:
Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

You're certainly not. He's always been my favourite High Elf special character. As shattered I was with his death, I did think it was certainly a fitting death for the Grim Warden.

Lol glad I'm not the only one. Hoping we don't lose many more

My friend told me about what has happened with the elves and my God I am depressed.

Before any "LOL You R Sad For A Fake Character" posts come in, keep in mind that a work of art can affect a person on an emotional level. Learning a faction you relate with has been broken and shattered can be saddening for some people.

alex87 wrote:

Redseer wrote:
Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

You're certainly not. He's always been my favourite High Elf special character. As shattered I was with his death, I did think it was certainly a fitting death for the Grim Warden.

That guy was something of a badass. How did he go down in the end?

Such posts will be purged with righteous flame!

I never read into Kislev's lore but always loved the models that got released and still remember that little free army booklet that came with the White Dwarf, such a badass army. When I read that their nation has been all but destroyed, daaamn son.

I have never really been emotionally attached to specific heroes mostly because I havent read fantasy books properly and get most of my info off lex and such, but the one 40k book I did read was Helsreach and never thought a slight moment of sadness would occur when a dieing character towards the end was revealed to be one of the characters I hoped to see survive. Numerous deaths actually were quite powerful thinking about it.

I never understand views which criticise those who find emotional attachment to fiction because fiction mimics reality in some way for someone, how can you not find emotion in that?

 Paradigm wrote:

alex87 wrote:

Redseer wrote:
Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

You're certainly not. He's always been my favourite High Elf special character. As shattered I was with his death, I did think it was certainly a fitting death for the Grim Warden.

That guy was something of a badass. How did he go down in the end?

alex87 wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

alex87 wrote:

Redseer wrote:
Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

You're certainly not. He's always been my favourite High Elf special character. As shattered I was with his death, I did think it was certainly a fitting death for the Grim Warden.

That guy was something of a badass. How did he go down in the end?

Spoiler:

He got "Curse of Years'd" by Arkhan attempting to disrupt the summoning of Nagash. But in order to do so he first layed some smack-down on Mannfred, before using the Fangsword to punch a whole in this big magic forcefield that was protecting Arkhan while he finished the summoning ritual. Pretty cool.

Not too shabby in the end then! Glad to hear he went down fighting!

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Before any "LOL You R Sad For A Fake Character" posts come in, keep in mind that a work of art can affect a person on an emotional level. Learning a faction you relate with has been broken and shattered can be saddening for some people.

My wife cried when in Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy.

Had a lump in my throat, too... and something in my eye.

Another one got me, but I can't for the life of me recall which novel. Just reading on the way to work then BOOM - Niagara Falls, baby.

 monders wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Before any "LOL You R Sad For A Fake Character" posts come in, keep in mind that a work of art can affect a person on an emotional level. Learning a faction you relate with has been broken and shattered can be saddening for some people.

My wife cried when

Spoiler:

Will and Lyra got split up

in Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy.

Had a lump in my throat, too... and something in my eye.

Another one got me, but I can't for the life of me recall which novel. Just reading on the way to work then BOOM - Niagara Falls, baby.

Oh, god, why did you remind me? I was over that! Or at least, I thought I was... One of the best but most saddening scenes in modern literature. As for another one, the last chapter of Patrick Ness's 'the Knife of Never Letting Go' gets me every time, even when I know what comes next...

Frankly, if fiction does effect people emotionally, it's doing its job properly.

I'm currently reading the novel.

Gee, I'm actually liking Arkhan!

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I'm currently reading the novel.

Gee, I'm actually liking Arkhan!

to me the novel kinda starts half way through the story.....................Mannfred is really really unpleasent now - a proper bad guy................but different to how I have previosuly seen him.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I'm currently reading the novel.

Gee, I'm actually liking Arkhan!

to me the novel kinda starts half way through the story.....................Mannfred is really really unpleasent now - a proper bad guy................but different to how I have previosuly seen him.

Yeah, he's lost his cunning.

Arkhan is a pretty nice contrast to him. Calm, focussed. Way less sadistic, too.

Why is no one talking about crystalsic or how ever you spell him being killed by the horned one :O and a new one being chosen to lead....

OgreChubbs wrote:
Why is no one talking about crystalsic or how ever you spell him being killed by the horned one :O and a new one being chosen to lead....

Because nobody cares about skaven. Not even skaven care about skaven.

alex87 wrote:

Redseer wrote:
Am I the only one mourning the loss of Eltharion?

You're certainly not. He's always been my favourite High Elf special character. As shattered I was with his death, I did think it was certainly a fitting death for the Grim Warden.

I'd have been sadder if he'd still been Zatoitharion rather than being retconned to pre-Blind Swordsman state a few years back.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Why is no one talking about crystalsic or how ever you spell him being killed by the horned one :O and a new one being chosen to lead....

Because nobody cares about skaven. Not even skaven care about skaven.

I almost cried when Snikrat ran away from life.

Still not as sad as the death of Aldebrand Ludenhof.
My Hochland army is without an Elector Count

So are the Brets going on a crusade now or is the last thing you hear about them just that Gilles has retaken his spot as King?

It would be awesome to hear if anything is happening with Nippon or Ind.

Not long a wait now till the next book I presume. Gonna be sweeeeeet.

Edit: Finally getting the chance to have a read of the book, this, is amazing, love the little attention to specific units in each battle/army. Definitely some painting and modelling inspiration here.

I don't have the End Times book, only the Novel, and in the Novel last you hear is Gilles being King, and you actually see Arkhan and Kemmler take over Maisontaal.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I'm currently reading the novel.

Gee, I'm actually liking Arkhan!

to me the novel kinda starts half way through the story.....................Mannfred is really really unpleasent now - a proper bad guy................but different to how I have previosuly seen him.

Yeah, he's lost his cunning.

Arkhan is a pretty nice contrast to him. Calm, focussed. Way less sadistic, too.

It's kind of sad that Mannfred has become a subordinate instead of the master he used to be.

Arkhan on the other hand has always been my favorite undead character, he was great in any of the Time of Legends novels he was in especially in Master of Death and Neferata!

 Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I'm currently reading the novel.

Gee, I'm actually liking Arkhan!

to me the novel kinda starts half way through the story.....................Mannfred is really really unpleasent now - a proper bad guy................but different to how I have previosuly seen him.

Yeah, he's lost his cunning.

Arkhan is a pretty nice contrast to him. Calm, focussed. Way less sadistic, too.

It's kind of sad that Mannfred has become a subordinate instead of the master he used to be.

Arkhan on the other hand has always been my favorite undead character, he was great in any of the Time of Legends novels he was in especially in Master of Death and Neferata!

Agreed - it was dispaoitning that they changed the bacground in some areas, even with the same author of those novels:

Soo Neferta gets a whole swathe of new disposable handmaidens - although at least Namia is still there on the other hand love ot have models for the handmaidens

Silver Pinnacle background from the Army books and novels has been thrown out sadly.

I know its a few posts up, but yeah, i'm in the "Nooooo, not Eltharion!" camp.

At least he had a cool narrative when he went down... unlike Leon Leoncoeur who gets a basically "OH yeah.. Leon... he be dead... moving on..."

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I don't have the End Times book, only the Novel, and in the Novel last you hear is Gilles being King, and you actually see Arkhan and Kemmler take over Maisontaal.

Oh sweet, I was glimpsing through the battle section and noticed one around Maisontall I think, cant wait to give it a read.

Kinda wish the power levels present in the story were more present in the special character rules for the Undead Legions characters =) Arkhan should be the best caster, but he really isn't.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
I'm currently reading the novel.

Gee, I'm actually liking Arkhan!

Heck yeah man, he's awesome.


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 Micky wrote:
Kinda wish the power levels present in the story were more present in the special character rules for the Undead Legions characters =) Arkhan should be the best caster, but he really isn't.

Because, GW loves Vampire models. So, Mannfred, here's all this cool stuff! kthx

 grendel083 wrote:
Still not as sad as the death of Aldebrand Ludenhof.
My Hochland army is without an Elector Count

How did Aldebrand die? He was my second favorite Elector Count after Marius. Sigh, my favorite characters always seem to bite the dust.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Still not as sad as the death of Aldebrand Ludenhof.
My Hochland army is without an Elector Count

How did Aldebrand die? He was my second favorite Elector Count after Marius. Sigh, my favorite characters always seem to bite the dust.

How is Kislev no more? Did (something who destroyed it) actually put every single Stanitsa to the torch? Which would be quite odd, as you can actually ride for days and not see a single izba. And Praag with Tzarina =/= Kislev. Land is Kislev. Kislev is Land.

Megatronlolol wrote:
How is Kislev no more? Did (something who destroyed it) actually put every single Stanitsa to the torch? Which would be quite odd, as you can actually ride for days and not see a single izba. And Praag with Tzarina =/= Kislev. Land is Kislev. Kislev is Land.

The army, government, and people are almost entirely dead. There's a few survivors, and the land is taken by the forces of Chaos.

Meh. I could write down A4 argument why this is bs, but it's just GW, finally getting rid of stuff so there are no "pls, bring Kislev/Estalia back" sayings. How kislevites would say: "is of no matter".

Megatronlolol wrote:
Meh. I could write down A4 argument why this is bs, but it's just GW, finally getting rid of stuff so there are no "pls, bring Kislev/Estalia back" sayings. How kislevites would say: "is of no matter".

I'm all for advancing the fluff. The new lord allotments however, are bs. 3 Bloodthirsters at 2400? I own those models. And a wall of nurgle heralds with regen. A big block of plaguebearers, and 2 solo beasts.

Advancing - yes. Advancing by getting rid of two (or three) factions completely - not really. Especially, when Kislev was just fine, during times when Archaon marched to overtake Empire.

Megatronlolol wrote:
Advancing - yes. Advancing by getting rid of two (or three) factions completely - not really. Especially, when Kislev was just fine, during times when Archaon marched to overtake Empire.

You mean that thing that got retconned years ago to "didn't happen"?

You mean that thing that got retconned years ago to "didn't happen"?

Mind sharing, where/when/by who was this statement made? An exact source? Quotation from wiki, that it's barely mentioned does not count

Megatronlolol wrote:

You mean that thing that got retconned years ago to "didn't happen"?

Mind sharing, where/when/by who was this statement made? An exact source? Quotation from wiki, that it's barely mentioned does not count

The Army Books, especially the Chaos and Empire ones, not only don't mention Storm of Chaos, they specifically write the fluff to points leading directly up to the fluff from the Storm of Chaos book and then stop. GW has, for all intents and purposes, written out the Storm of Chaos(and the disaster of a campaign) ever having happened yet.

They'll never say outright that it's gone because that would be admitting to the mistake of it happening.

Compare to the 40K books which DO mention 40K's equivalent campaign as something that's happened but not finished. GW's purposely reset the clock for Fantasy and now have replaced it with the End Times. That's how retcons work, they're never explicit that something didn't happen, they're written so that something else happened.

Any mention of the lizardmen? I hope Kroak comes back in full form to out magic the ever loving hell out of Nagash.

 th3maninblak wrote:
Any mention of the lizardmen? I hope Kroak comes back in full form to out magic the ever loving hell out of Nagash.

There is a short piece saying that the Great Plan has failed adn they must implement "Exodus"

I wondered if that was evacuate the planet?

Or open up the portals and leave the same way the old ones did.

Surely Lizardmen would still exist? I really hope they dont just leave. What about they use portals to transport huge armies to each corner of the world and just lay waste to every living thing which has damaged the great plan? That would so friggin sweet. Imagine you see a portal open thinking demons are going to pop out of them and instead you see hundreds of pissed off dinos spill out of them decimating everything in their path.

One of the ealiest page in the Nagash fluff book has a full page with those who attend Mazdamundi discussing the rising crisis and dire visions by Tekto, speaker of Kexoatl's Council.

the last bit is this:

The priest fell silent as Mazamundi's corpulent bulk shifted on the dias. "The Great Plan has failed. " the slann intoned heavily. "The Exodus must begin."

It would be quite Slann like to just do the unexpected and depart............and/or push the reset button and wipe the planet clean of life as they go so they can start again.

Maybe the great exodus is like a huge marshaling of Lustria, where the entire jungle empties and marches out to kill EVERYONE and start over.

That would sure as hell be epic as

Surely if the Slann were just throw their hands up and say 'cant be assed' and just leave the planet, surely it would be better saying it there and then. Would be pretty saddening to read 'The Exodus has begun' and then wait a while, then read, 'oh yeah they just left.' Its gotta be something epic, its just gotta!

 unmercifulconker wrote:
That would sure as hell be epic as

Surely if the Slann were just throw their hands up and say 'cant be assed' and just leave the planet, surely it would be better saying it there and then. Would be pretty saddening to read 'The Exodus has begun' and then wait a while, then read, 'oh yeah they just left.' Its gotta be something epic, its just gotta!

True - it reminds me of the end of Stargate TV series when the Asgard just gave up - I wanted them to go - right then lets go out in a blaze of glory and have a proper go at the Ori fleet -

"Your powerful, but we are the Asgard and we do this for a living"

proper Ragnarok stuff...............

 nels1031 wrote:

 namiel wrote:
So is this book really THAT good i have to buy it?

I'd say its an absolute must to anyone that is a fan of the Warhammer lore. If you're not a fan of the ruleset, E-bay it, as I'm sure there are some WHFB players not at all interested in the lore part.

I don't get why a fan of the lore would enjoy a book which is throwing most of that lore out the window and a series that seems set to finish the job completely and turn the universe into something completely unrecognisable. And not because the setting was the problem and needed fixing(demands for more story could easily have been handled with Heresy-style historical campaign books), but because GW's pricing and rules development has been driving away players and the company wants to make it profitable again without actually having to change their behaviour, as well as increase their ability to sue people by removing as much of the stuff that resembles actual history as possible.

Aside from the tome of legends for nagash are there any other pre-works that lead up to the end times that have nagash in it?

Oberron wrote:
Aside from the tome of legends for nagash are there any other pre-works that lead up to the end times that have nagash in it?

Aside from Tome of Legends I think the only novel dealing with the End Times is the Gotrek and Felix novel Kinslayer.


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