and why? Personally, I don't have any favourite

But for those who do, i would like to learn more

Dark Angels, naturally. Followed by Iron Hands and Blood Angels.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Dark Angels, naturally. Followed by Iron Hands and Blood Angels.

why naturally?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Dark Angels, naturally. Followed by Iron Hands and Blood Angels.

why naturally?

Dark Angels are the most loyal of all Chapters!

Plus, my own Space Marines are DA Successors

Blood angels- because even though they are cursed, they fight on for the good of humanity, and always seek to save as many lives as possible

salamanders- like the blood angels, they give a dam about normal people, but even more so on an emotional level, where as a BA would frown at human lives lost, salamanders would cry.

then dark angels-
because I love the monastic knight feel to them. secrets and all that. epic.

Dark Angels. Mainly because they're actually going somewhere instead of just being a static faction. They have a plot.

I really dislike they Loyalists' themes, If I had to choose I'd choose Dark Angels.

Salamanders obviously. As a person they resonate with me particularly well.

My personal motto reads, "You can easily tell the character of a man by how he trays those who can do nothing for him." --Malcolm Forbes

In the grim darkness of the far future, I think it's great to have a bright light, even if I do enjoy the dystopian setting.

FM Argos

Iron Hands. Human transcendentalism forever!

Space Wolves are the only SM faction I have ever considered playing. Space Viking for the win!

Salamanders. Their 'victory through perseverance' attitude. Their maintenance of their humanity in spite of their monstrous appearance. Their connection with all aspects of their homeworld.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Space Wolves are the only SM faction I have ever considered playing. Space Viking for the win!

They aren't vikings though. They literally have nothing in common with Vikings except living a frozen environment, being white, bearded, and ginger.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Space Wolves are the only SM faction I have ever considered playing. Space Viking for the win!

They aren't vikings though. They literally have nothing in common with Vikings except living a frozen environment, being white, bearded, and ginger.

And their names, their sagas, their affinity for hunting, their berserker style of fighting, their mead and their feasts...oh wait, that's a lot.

EDIT: I should clarify that vikings as a whole were not berserkers, but they did have warriors who would work themselves up into a frenzy (believed to be with the aid of drugs) before battle.

they used some form of crushed plant.

i choose salamanders.
everyone knows that dark angels shouldn't be here, they're chaos!

Alpha Legion.

Still loyal (well, most of them) 10k years after many thought they turned traitor!

FACT: Cypher is actually one of the two original primarchs of the Alpha Legion.


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Maximus Bitch wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Dark Angels, naturally. Followed by Iron Hands and Blood Angels.

why naturally?

Dark Angels are the most loyal of all Chapters!

Plus, my own Space Marines are DA Successors

Dark Angels... So loyal that half of them turned traitor.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Space Wolves are the only SM faction I have ever considered playing. Space Viking for the win!

They aren't vikings though. They literally have nothing in common with Vikings except living a frozen environment, being white, bearded, and ginger.

And their names, their sagas, their affinity for hunting, their berserker style of fighting, their mead and their feasts...oh wait, that's a lot.

EDIT: I should clarify that vikings as a whole were not berserkers, but they did have warriors who would work themselves up into a frenzy (believed to be with the aid of drugs) before battle.

That's just a caricature. The exhibit little to none of the actual viking culture, or their typical actions in battle.

all of you keep saying dark angels but the blood angels are winning

Cuz blood angels are awesome and-

 Orblivion wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Space Wolves are the only SM faction I have ever considered playing. Space Viking for the win!

They aren't vikings though. They literally have nothing in common with Vikings except living a frozen environment, being white, bearded, and ginger.

And their names, their sagas, their affinity for hunting, their berserker style of fighting, their mead and their feasts...oh wait, that's a lot.

EDIT: I should clarify that vikings as a whole were not berserkers, but they did have warriors who would work themselves up into a frenzy (believed to be with the aid of drugs) before battle.

Pretty much this. 15 years ago I had someone describe them to me as Vikings in Space. When I read their fluff my interests gravitate to the stories/ideas that seem most Viking like. And since I want to enjoy my gaming and don't enjoy anyone (including game companies) telling me otherwise I happily ignore all the written fluff that doesn't make them look like Vikings in space.

So for me, they are still Space Vikings with a side of Werewolf and that's fine because that's kinda cool. But really its pretty much the models. I love all the fur pelts, glowing runes, tooth necklaces, etc. that their models are adorned with.

Imperial fists were always my favorite cause I like building defence's and they always stand up againgst the odds even when they know they will loose.

Lately though, the more I read about the white scars, the more I like them.

The Ultramarines, because they are very secular. I dislike superstition in real life so, the type of gak the space wolves and many of the other chapters (rituals and such) does not sit well with me.

Plus they are the most realistic soldiers, they are interested in soldiering, training, studying tactics and doctrine. If this gak was real they would far and away be the best warriors in the galaxy, because while the salamanders are working in the forge, the space wolves are getting drunk, and the imperial fists are scourging themselves, the ultras are in the gym, at the firing range, or studying war in the classroom!

For those same reasons, other chapters I also lean towards are the Raven Guard, the coldly logical Iron Hands, and the Alpha Legion, they all seem to do their homework before a scrap as well.

 mattyrm wrote:
The Ultramarines, because they are very secular. I dislike superstition in real life so, the type of gak the space wolves and many of the other chapters (rituals and such) does not sit well with me.

Plus they are the most realistic soldiers, they are interested in soldiering, training, studying tactics and doctrine. If this gak was real they would far and away be the best warriors in the galaxy, because while the salamanders are working in the forge, the space wolves are getting drunk, and the imperial fists are scourging themselves, the ultras are in the gym, at the firing range, or studying war in the classroom!

For those same reasons, other chapters I also lean towards are the Raven Guard, the coldly logical Iron Hands, and the Alpha Legion, they all seem to do their homework before a scrap as well.

You forgot the Dark Angels burning villages for learning about the fallen and disappearing inquisitors.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Space Wolves are the only SM faction I have ever considered playing. Space Viking for the win!

They aren't vikings though. They literally have nothing in common with Vikings except living a frozen environment, being white, bearded, and ginger.

And their names, their sagas, their affinity for hunting, their berserker style of fighting, their mead and their feasts...oh wait, that's a lot.

EDIT: I should clarify that vikings as a whole were not berserkers, but they did have warriors who would work themselves up into a frenzy (believed to be with the aid of drugs) before battle.

Pretty much this. 15 years ago I had someone describe them to me as Vikings in Space. When I read their fluff my interests gravitate to the stories/ideas that seem most Viking like. And since I want to enjoy my gaming and don't enjoy anyone (including game companies) telling me otherwise I happily ignore all the written fluff that doesn't make them look like Vikings in space.

So for me, they are still Space Vikings with a side of Werewolf and that's fine because that's kinda cool. But really its pretty much the models. I love all the fur pelts, glowing runes, tooth necklaces, etc. that their models are adorned with.

The Space Wolves during the HH were portrayed somewhat antagonistically. I'm fine with space vikings, but I dislike the fact that their wolf identity seems to supersede their human identity.

Also, I expected the Salamanders to be one of the least popular, but the poll has proven otherwise.

Space Wolves are furries.
I don't think Vikings "Wolfed" everything they had.

The reality is that the Space Wolves used to be (and should be) Space Marines with a wolfy theme.

Now they are wolves with a Space Marine theme.

And that's stupid.

 Alpharius wrote:
Alpha Legion.

Still loyal (well, most of them) 10k years after many thought they turned traitor!

Just what you slippery bastards want us to think.

 Pyeatt wrote:
FACT: Cypher is actually one of the two original primarchs of the Alpha Legion.


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Maximus Bitch wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Dark Angels, naturally. Followed by Iron Hands and Blood Angels.

why naturally?

Dark Angels are the most loyal of all Chapters!

Plus, my own Space Marines are DA Successors

Dark Angels... So loyal that half of them turned traitor.

Yeah, but none turned traitor after the Heresy now, eh?

My favorite of the conventionally loyalist Chapters is the Space Wolves.

I voted Imperial Fists though, not as a mistake. While I love the Space Wolves and everything they stand for it's hard to call them truly loyal considering their view of the Codex Astartes and geneseed issues. If we're talking loyalists that actually play by the rules though and cooperate with others.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
FACT: Cypher is actually one of the two original primarchs of the Alpha Legion.


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Maximus Bitch wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Dark Angels, naturally. Followed by Iron Hands and Blood Angels.

why naturally?

Dark Angels are the most loyal of all Chapters!

Plus, my own Space Marines are DA Successors

Dark Angels... So loyal that half of them turned traitor.

Yeah, but none turned traitor after the Heresy now, eh?

Doesn't matter, all the other loyalist legions are still playing catch-up compared to that.

Dark Angels are winning?!?!

Imperial Fists all the way!

I have to go for the Imperial Fists. For one thing, they fit my tactics a bit a more. They are more defensive and see that the best offense is a good defense. As others have pointed out, they will always do the right thing, no matter what even if it comes at great sacrifice to themselves. Dorn was notoriously not liked because he would stand up for what is right even if it meant that one of his brothers nearly beat him to an inch of his life. I also admire their discipline and loyalty. To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Honorable mentions: Salamanders, Space Wolves and Raven Guard because they fight not only for the Imperium but for the people of the Imperium. That is the one fault I would have to say that the Imperial Fists have but these other legions do have but it isn't enough for them to knock the Imperial Fists out of first place for me.

Space wolves. They were my first army 13 years ago. They care about the people and are the only chapter that drinks and celebrates victories. Plus they don't take any crap from anyone.

Wait, Dark Angels made the list but the Alpha Legion didn't? This thread is bjorked.

Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Imperial Fisters can feth off.
Salamanders and Ultramarines are cool, but too mainstream for my tastes.
Blood Angels have a nice colour scheme but they're also foppish effetes.
Space Wolves would be my favourites if it wasn't for all the wolf gak.

So that leaves the White Scars as my favourite. Sure, their colour scheme isn't particularly interesting, but they've got heart and better yet, they're totally indie. Viva Mongoria!



That having been said, death to the false emperor, blood of the blood god, pants for the pantheon, etc, etc, etc.

Salamanders

I think that they are all too different, and unique in their own right for me to say i have a favorite. Each legion has something about them that i love, and that i hate. None of them are spot on for me. i do have ones that i favor less such as the blood angles, and the imperial fists.

I don't care as much about space marines because they are no longer human, and lack many of the things that make us human. The imperial guard fits my personality much more because they are the average Joe faced with the same enemy that even these super soldiers can struggle with.

blood angels, dark angels and space wolves. I love all three for various reasons. from fluff, to actual models, themes, etc.

 Envihon wrote:
I have to go for the Imperial Fists. For one thing, they fit my tactics a bit a more. They are more defensive and see that the best offense is a good defense. As others have pointed out, they will always do the right thing, no matter what even if it comes at great sacrifice to themselves. Dorn was notoriously not liked because he would stand up for what is right even if it meant that one of his brothers nearly beat him to an inch of his life. I also admire their discipline and loyalty. To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Honorable mentions: Salamanders, Space Wolves and Raven Guard because they fight not only for the Imperium but for the people of the Imperium. That is the one fault I would have to say that the Imperial Fists have but these other legions do have but it isn't enough for them to knock the Imperial Fists out of first place for me.

I have to agree with you on the IF espically about one of their faults being their lack of humanity. Just look at how Dorn treats Sigismund in the short story Crimson Fist. I would have to pick Ultramarines as my runner up. I feel they are similar to the IF ,but I downgrade them slightly for their love of bureaucracy and adhearance to the codex.

SpyderG6 wrote:

 Envihon wrote:
I have to go for the Imperial Fists. For one thing, they fit my tactics a bit a more. They are more defensive and see that the best offense is a good defense. As others have pointed out, they will always do the right thing, no matter what even if it comes at great sacrifice to themselves. Dorn was notoriously not liked because he would stand up for what is right even if it meant that one of his brothers nearly beat him to an inch of his life. I also admire their discipline and loyalty. To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Honorable mentions: Salamanders, Space Wolves and Raven Guard because they fight not only for the Imperium but for the people of the Imperium. That is the one fault I would have to say that the Imperial Fists have but these other legions do have but it isn't enough for them to knock the Imperial Fists out of first place for me.

I have to agree with you on the IF espically about one of their faults being their lack of humanity. Just look at how Dorn treats Sigismund in the short story Crimson Fist. I would have to pick Ultramarines as my runner up. I feel they are similar to the IF ,but I downgrade them slightly for their love of bureaucracy and adhearance to the codex.

There is a reason for that in the Crimson Fist but you have to see the whole picture and read/listen to all the stories and audio books that involve Dorn. The problem is that Dorn truly believed in the Emperor's vision of a united humanity free from superstitious belief. Dorn poured his hear and soul into it, then to see it all shattered in a blink of an eye because of Horus' betrayal, shook Dorn to his core. It made him question what he was doing and question if the Emperor had the right of it. Listen to The Last Remebrancer to really see this side of Dorn. Then to hear that the most trusted right hand man stayed with you instead of doing his duty, another tenet of the Imperial Fists, because of a prophecy based on religious tenet, it was pouring salt into the wound which is why Dorn reacted the way he did. This is what leads up to the furious Retribuition after the siege of Terra.

Also, at first, Dorn rejected the Codex Astartes unwilling to break up his legion and unneeded since the Imperial Fists were already the most disciplined of the Legions. He only agreed after it almost caused another civil war. He then took up it and said they would perfect it like they always do and they do.

I don't think the Imperial Fists lack humanity but believe in the system way too much. They are on the lawful side of things and choose to make the system work but when someone violates the system, the pass judgement no matter what even if the people might suffer. It is the one problem with having rigid discipline like they do but they still have conflict and that is definitely seen in the Crimson Fist as well. They aren't soulless robots but they don't question authority unless that authority has completely and utterly over stepped their bounds. Salamanders and Space Wolves always fight for whats right regardless of regulation and laws which is why they get in trouble with things like the Inquisition. Two sides of the same coin. All of these factions wish to make the Imperium a better place but they go about it in different ways and highlight what is good about each perspective but what is also bad about each perspective which is why I like them a lot and the writing of Black Library.

I like the Raven Guard, mostly because of the emphisis on speed and stealth tactics over run and gun. They are sneaky space marine ninjas that can stealth in power armor! how cool is that?

 PhillyT wrote:
Dark Angels are winning?!?!

Imperial Fists all the way!

I'm more concerned with Space Wolves having just as much votes as Dark Angels!

I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

black templar tjhe only ones who actually don't fail.... forgot to add them.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

The Thing is one of the most interesting xenos concepts ever.


By the way, previously I assumed that the Salamanders were under the radar of many. This poll has proven me wrong. What's going on?


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black templar tjhe only ones who actually don't fail.... forgot to add them.

Legion my friend, legion.

OgreChubbs wrote:
black templar tjhe only ones who actually don't fail.... forgot to add them.

Yeah, Founding Legions, which means if you like the Black Templar, Imperial Fists would be your favorite since Sigismund is the one who founds that Chapter.

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I don't know, the yellow can look pretty badass at times:

 Orblivion wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I don't know, the yellow can look pretty badass at times:

That's fan-art and not the official yellow of the Imperial Fists.

Happy?

I go back and forth about the color scheme of the Imperial Fists. I mostly field them because of their tactics and it is the Legion/Chapter I most relate as well as my favorite Primarch besides Magnus comes from them.

This is dampered by the fact about how hard yellow is to freaking paint!

Fists, because from the Fists come the Black Templars, which is my actual favorite Loyalist Chapter.

Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

To me, the Scars are... fairly boring. Yeah, they're Ghengis Khan and his Mongol Hordes on Harleys. I get that. I just don't care about it.

Iron Hands are CyberMarines.... yeah, ok, I played Cyberpunk: 2020, too, and have seen that done better. Also, Ranx did it better twenty years earlier.

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

Eh, I always feel like that kind of stuff is just BS. Compare the Sanguinary Guard to the Imperial Fists, one is gold and one is yellow.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

It's Banana Yellow. Not Coward Yellow... which is brighter, almost neon.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

Eh, I always feel like that kind of stuff is just BS. Compare the Sanguinary Guard to the Imperial Fists, one is gold and one is yellow.

I was just being facetious, it is just straight yellow. I do also sometimes question the reason why they would paint a military force in such a gaudy yellow but it is the rule of cool.

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

They're boring. There's no real character to them, or good books.

IH tactics are close enough to the Death Guard, so I like em on that reasoning. Close range Bolters and drop pod dreadnoughts. The bionics thing is okay I guess, but Im more interested in their Successors the Red Talons.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

They're boring. There's no real character to them, or good books.

So despite their domination in rules, they aren't supported by fluff so all of those of us who play for more than just winning don't like them. Makes sense, it's such a shame though. You would hope if they are that good on the Table Top, there would be nice fluff to go with that. That is the other thing too, Dark Angels codex is considered a bad codex for the most part yet it seems to be a popular faction here.

Well I still say black templar are the best legion since they beat out their originals BUT. The imperial fists do have the golden shower drop pods... which is pretty cool.

 Envihon wrote:

So despite their domination in rules, they aren't supported by fluff so all of those of us who play for more than just winning don't like them. Makes sense, it's such a shame though. You would hope if they are that good on the Table Top, there would be nice fluff to go with that. That is the other thing too, Dark Angels codex is considered a bad codex for the most part yet it seems to be a popular faction here.

I play for fun, and i love my iron Hands

I voted for the Khan's boys after reading Scars. Pity white armour's so awful to paint.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I don't know, the yellow can look pretty badass at times:

That's fan-art and not the official yellow of the Imperial Fists.

Anyway the Custodes and Emprah have already reserved gold for themselves. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I prefer Lamenters, so... Blood Angels by proxy.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

The Thing is one of the most interesting xenos concepts ever.


By the way, previously I assumed that the Salamanders were under the radar of many. This poll has proven me wrong. What's going on?

I think the Horus Heresy books have finally gotten around to giving Vulkan a lot of time.

Plus, green is the best color.

Envihon wrote: To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Mostly to keep Dorn out of the way on the front lines.

I mean, the Imperial Fists were stationed on Terra because building a fort was the only thing they could be trusted not to screw up.


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EmpNortonII wrote:I think the Horus Heresy books have finally gotten around to giving Vulkan a lot of time.

Unfortunately all of his time is awful.

Nick Kyme's two principle Heresy contributions have be abysmal, and Abnett's characterization of him in Unremembered Novel wasn't much better.

I always like the Imperial Fists because they're the Space Marines I find easiest to relate to. They fight really hard for what they believe is right, but occasionally they fail (unlike SOME chapters cough*Ultramarines*cough). And when they fail, they beat themselves up about it. It makes them more human than the other SM's, even the other "nice" chapters like Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Also, major bonus points for defending the Emperor's palace while the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels were busy chasing decoys and generally screwing around. The Imperial Fists were one of the most important players in the Horus Heresy.

 fallinq wrote:
I always like the Imperial Fists because they're the Space Marines I find easiest to relate to. They fight really hard for what they believe is right, but occasionally they fail (unlike SOME chapters cough*Ultramarines*cough). And when they fail, they beat themselves up about it. It makes them more human than the other SM's, even the other "nice" chapters like Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Also, major bonus points for defending the Emperor's palace while the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels were busy chasing decoys and generally screwing around. The Imperial Fists were one of the most important players in the Horus Heresy.

This is how I also feel about the Imperial Fists and why I like them so much. Plus, to me, Dorn is one of the most characterized of the loyalist Primarchs, you actually get inside his head more than any other loyalist Primarch, something that it seems has always been reserved for the traitor Primarchs. Through everything they have about Dorn and the Fists, you see how much the Heresy affects Dorn and how he copes with the fact that the Imperium was falling apart but he still persists. That is what defines them, they are realistic about their situation, they know it might be hopeless but they are fething stubborn gits that continue on fighting. That can be said about any Space Marine but the Fists take it to heart the most and they do seem more human than the rest.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

The Thing is one of the most interesting xenos concepts ever.


By the way, previously I assumed that the Salamanders were under the radar of many. This poll has proven me wrong. What's going on?

I think the Horus Heresy books have finally gotten around to giving Vulkan a lot of time.

Plus, green is the best color.

Salamanders' olive green is okay, but I find the Dark Angels' spinach green jusr euuuggghhhh

I hope GW will adjust the shade subtly to make it look better.

Blood Angels. Their culture of excellence in all things including combat and the arts is beautiful, they still have a semblance of humanity left and when their days are "through" they go flying rodent gak insane driven onwards by prolific cognitive visions of the torturous death of their primarch, their father, and hurl themselves head first at the enemy in a destroy-or-be-destroyed suicide run that ends with many enemies torn limb from limb and a glorious death, knowing you served as best you could.

Besides that, Raven Guard. They're as close to Reasonable Marines as we can possibly get.

 bocatt wrote:
Blood Angels. Their culture of excellence in all things including combat and the arts is beautiful, they still have a semblance of humanity left and when their days are "through" they go flying rodent gak insane driven onwards by prolific cognitive visions of the torturous death of their primarch, their father, and hurl themselves head first at the enemy in a destroy-or-be-destroyed suicide run that ends with many enemies torn limb from limb and a glorious death, knowing you served as best you could.

Besides that, Raven Guard. They're as close to Reasonable Marines as we can possibly get.

Yeah good points.

I like the Blood Angels, because they're at the heart of a lot of my favorite stories from the 40k background. The battle for Terra, Sanguinius' final battle with Horus, Space Hulk, the Death Company, and Sanguinius himself. Sanguinius seems to be one of the first primarchs that GW fleshed out, which is probably why he is so central to the background, and has one of the most unique powers. I couldn't wait to find out what powers the other primarchs had, but it seemed that after Magnus, GW run out of imagination and just gave about 12 of them the 'master tactician' power (snore).

I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

 Jayden63 wrote:
I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

I didn't think that the Imperial Fists were that popular. I always thought people saw their stubbornness as grating but it seems I was wrong, that or the color turns a lot of people off from them. As far as the Space Wolves go, people either love them or absolutely hate them it would seem but it does look like there is a vocal minority that talks bad about the Wolves a lot.

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 Envihon wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

I didn't think that the Imperial Fists were that popular. I always thought people saw their stubbornness as grating but it seems I was wrong, that or the color turns a lot of people off from them. As far as the Space Wolves go, people either love them or absolutely hate them it would seem but it does look like there is a vocal minority that talks bad about the Wolves a lot.

I neither love nor hate the Space Wolves, I just hate it when people (fans or GW) treat them as "Marines, but better than other Marines cuz savage nordic vikings are sooo kewl!"

I can't help but notice that there's very little love for the White Scars. It makes me kind of sad, but I think I understand why. Character wise, they're probably the least fleshed out legion (Mongolian and... uh... kind of like the Space Wolves). Nobody hates them and nobody loves them, they're just there, which is the worst place to be because it means they get ignored.

poor ultramarines, they are a really cool chapter but noone seems to want to get past the GW fanboyism they seem to attract. :(

 Jayden63 wrote:
I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

I wonder if the Space Wolves appeal to loud, boisterous people?

Iron hands, because flesh is weak and machine will not die!

 bocatt wrote:
Besides that, Raven Guard. They're as close to Reasonable Marines as we can possibly get.

Other than the Alpha Legion.

Imperial Fist in first.

All right. All is well in the world


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 Envihon wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
I always like the Imperial Fists because they're the Space Marines I find easiest to relate to. They fight really hard for what they believe is right, but occasionally they fail (unlike SOME chapters cough*Ultramarines*cough). And when they fail, they beat themselves up about it. It makes them more human than the other SM's, even the other "nice" chapters like Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Also, major bonus points for defending the Emperor's palace while the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels were busy chasing decoys and generally screwing around. The Imperial Fists were one of the most important players in the Horus Heresy.

This is how I also feel about the Imperial Fists and why I like them so much. Plus, to me, Dorn is one of the most characterized of the loyalist Primarchs, you actually get inside his head more than any other loyalist Primarch, something that it seems has always been reserved for the traitor Primarchs. Through everything they have about Dorn and the Fists, you see how much the Heresy affects Dorn and how he copes with the fact that the Imperium was falling apart but he still persists. That is what defines them, they are realistic about their situation, they know it might be hopeless but they are fething stubborn gits that continue on fighting. That can be said about any Space Marine but the Fists take it to heart the most and they do seem more human than the rest.

These post right here are my feelings

Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

 raiden wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

Yeah but some Primarchs acted as Dictators while others acted more diplomatically. Gulliman, Dorn, Corax, and Vulcan were known for establishing democratic societies taking a more passive role in the ruling of the planets they conquered.

 Envihon wrote:

 raiden wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

Yeah but some Primarchs acted as Dictators while others acted more diplomatically. Gulliman, Dorn, Corax, and Vulcan were known for establishing democratic societies taking a more passive role in the ruling of the planets they conquered.

this is true, though I great dictator will be a better government than a democracy like the one America has. Thankfully guilliman and dorn knew what the hell they were doing.

The Imperial Fists.

First, last and greatest defenders of Terra.

I voted scars i like the Mongol theme, they were at the siege of Terra, their fast attack philosophy and the cameo of one plays in salvations reach the white scar is the most badass!

Second would be the wolves. My epic marines when i first started were the sons of Russ!

The fact Russ is nicknamed the allfather and has two pet wolves Freki and Geri lends very strongly to the assertion that they have a viking theme!

bertmac wrote:
I voted scars i like the Mongol theme, they were at the siege of Terra, their fast attack philosophy and the cameo of one plays in salvations reach the white scar is the most badass!

Second would be the wolves. My epic marines when i first started were the sons of Russ!

The fact Russ is nicknamed the allfather and has two pet wolves Freki and Geri lends very strongly to the assertion that they have a viking theme!

Russ isn't the Allfather, the Emperor is.

 raiden wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

Yes, but my meaning is as using IG and civilians as expendable fodder (like IH used to do until Raukaan book came). Or even killing a human because "he/she didn't know his/her place" (like confronting Astartes for some reason)

I don't recall any loyalist chapters doing this.... Though I haven't read much on them bar blood angels dark angel ultras and fists.

The Regal Sons of Dorn.

I love how the yellow color pops on the table, even though it's hard to paint. Plus, I like that yellow is a bad color to gear up for war for in a realistic sense. It's like "Yeah, I'm wearing yellow, feth you! Bring it!"

I also like how their current Chapter Tactics blended together give the sense of stoic warriors capable of laying down disciplined, accurate fire in any circumstance.

I didn't realize how popular the Sons of Dorn were until now. I hear so many other names dropped that I always thought I was in the minority but here they are riding 2nd place. It is really surprising. I thought that the Salamanders and Space Wolves were more popular, guess I was wrong.

Seeing the popularity of the Dark Angels kind of makes me wish they would of gotten a better codex. I need to read their Horus Heresy stuff to get a feel for them.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
blood angels, dark angels and space wolves. I love all three for various reasons. from fluff, to actual models, themes, etc.

I feel the same. Hard to pick a favorite out of those three.

YES! BA and DA have taken the lead again!

Blood Angels. The only codex I enjoy reading over again. Also Fear to Tread was great. Dante doesn't have slowed draigo-style backstory. Mephy comes closer, but not in the same ballpark. He at least can be KO'd in fluff.

And on the table, I like marines for the overall ability, but I also love speed, so a little crank up over other chapters feels great.

Somehow out of every 40k player I've ever played, every space wolf player (3 of them) and one dark eldar have been my only tfg's ever.