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 Wyzilla wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Cowardice is not a good colour for siege defenders, mmkay?

Technically, it is a golden yellow which is always described as having a regal tone to it and everything to describe the Imperial Fists is Dorn's golden warriors.


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Okay, I have to ask this, why do the White Scars and Iron Hands get no love when they are heralded as the best tournament SMs to take?

They're boring. There's no real character to them, or good books.

So despite their domination in rules, they aren't supported by fluff so all of those of us who play for more than just winning don't like them. Makes sense, it's such a shame though. You would hope if they are that good on the Table Top, there would be nice fluff to go with that. That is the other thing too, Dark Angels codex is considered a bad codex for the most part yet it seems to be a popular faction here.

Well I still say black templar are the best legion since they beat out their originals BUT. The imperial fists do have the golden shower drop pods... which is pretty cool.

 Envihon wrote:

So despite their domination in rules, they aren't supported by fluff so all of those of us who play for more than just winning don't like them. Makes sense, it's such a shame though. You would hope if they are that good on the Table Top, there would be nice fluff to go with that. That is the other thing too, Dark Angels codex is considered a bad codex for the most part yet it seems to be a popular faction here.

I play for fun, and i love my iron Hands

I voted for the Khan's boys after reading Scars. Pity white armour's so awful to paint.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 JTFirefly wrote:
Imperial Fists (and hey, currently on second place!). Because ...

Lysander is probably my favorite SM character, both for the mini and the story.

I like the color scheme.

Fleet-based, and recruiting from Terra and Necromunda (among other planets).

Most of the other stuff I like about them has already been mentioned.

Close second would be Salamanders, third goes to Blood Angels (which was my first 40K army, back in the day when all Marines wore MK6 PA).

I can tell.

But I feel that their bright yellow color scheme makes them a little cartoony. The Iron Warriors hazard stripe markings also look cheesy. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I don't know, the yellow can look pretty badass at times:

That's fan-art and not the official yellow of the Imperial Fists.

Anyway the Custodes and Emprah have already reserved gold for themselves. And what's so appealing about being fleet based?

I prefer Lamenters, so... Blood Angels by proxy.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

The Thing is one of the most interesting xenos concepts ever.


By the way, previously I assumed that the Salamanders were under the radar of many. This poll has proven me wrong. What's going on?

I think the Horus Heresy books have finally gotten around to giving Vulkan a lot of time.

Plus, green is the best color.

Envihon wrote: To me, it is the Imperial Fists that should of taken over as lead legion, not the Ultramarines. The Imperial Fists were there when Horus attacked Terra and stood by the Emperor.

Mostly to keep Dorn out of the way on the front lines.

I mean, the Imperial Fists were stationed on Terra because building a fort was the only thing they could be trusted not to screw up.


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EmpNortonII wrote:I think the Horus Heresy books have finally gotten around to giving Vulkan a lot of time.

Unfortunately all of his time is awful.

Nick Kyme's two principle Heresy contributions have be abysmal, and Abnett's characterization of him in Unremembered Novel wasn't much better.

I always like the Imperial Fists because they're the Space Marines I find easiest to relate to. They fight really hard for what they believe is right, but occasionally they fail (unlike SOME chapters cough*Ultramarines*cough). And when they fail, they beat themselves up about it. It makes them more human than the other SM's, even the other "nice" chapters like Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Also, major bonus points for defending the Emperor's palace while the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels were busy chasing decoys and generally screwing around. The Imperial Fists were one of the most important players in the Horus Heresy.

 fallinq wrote:
I always like the Imperial Fists because they're the Space Marines I find easiest to relate to. They fight really hard for what they believe is right, but occasionally they fail (unlike SOME chapters cough*Ultramarines*cough). And when they fail, they beat themselves up about it. It makes them more human than the other SM's, even the other "nice" chapters like Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Also, major bonus points for defending the Emperor's palace while the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels were busy chasing decoys and generally screwing around. The Imperial Fists were one of the most important players in the Horus Heresy.

This is how I also feel about the Imperial Fists and why I like them so much. Plus, to me, Dorn is one of the most characterized of the loyalist Primarchs, you actually get inside his head more than any other loyalist Primarch, something that it seems has always been reserved for the traitor Primarchs. Through everything they have about Dorn and the Fists, you see how much the Heresy affects Dorn and how he copes with the fact that the Imperium was falling apart but he still persists. That is what defines them, they are realistic about their situation, they know it might be hopeless but they are fething stubborn gits that continue on fighting. That can be said about any Space Marine but the Fists take it to heart the most and they do seem more human than the rest.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I'm not big on any of the founding legions... but if forced to pick, Salamanders.

I also really love the flame thrower from The Thing.

The Thing is one of the most interesting xenos concepts ever.


By the way, previously I assumed that the Salamanders were under the radar of many. This poll has proven me wrong. What's going on?

I think the Horus Heresy books have finally gotten around to giving Vulkan a lot of time.

Plus, green is the best color.

Salamanders' olive green is okay, but I find the Dark Angels' spinach green jusr euuuggghhhh

I hope GW will adjust the shade subtly to make it look better.

Blood Angels. Their culture of excellence in all things including combat and the arts is beautiful, they still have a semblance of humanity left and when their days are "through" they go flying rodent gak insane driven onwards by prolific cognitive visions of the torturous death of their primarch, their father, and hurl themselves head first at the enemy in a destroy-or-be-destroyed suicide run that ends with many enemies torn limb from limb and a glorious death, knowing you served as best you could.

Besides that, Raven Guard. They're as close to Reasonable Marines as we can possibly get.

 bocatt wrote:
Blood Angels. Their culture of excellence in all things including combat and the arts is beautiful, they still have a semblance of humanity left and when their days are "through" they go flying rodent gak insane driven onwards by prolific cognitive visions of the torturous death of their primarch, their father, and hurl themselves head first at the enemy in a destroy-or-be-destroyed suicide run that ends with many enemies torn limb from limb and a glorious death, knowing you served as best you could.

Besides that, Raven Guard. They're as close to Reasonable Marines as we can possibly get.

Yeah good points.

I like the Blood Angels, because they're at the heart of a lot of my favorite stories from the 40k background. The battle for Terra, Sanguinius' final battle with Horus, Space Hulk, the Death Company, and Sanguinius himself. Sanguinius seems to be one of the first primarchs that GW fleshed out, which is probably why he is so central to the background, and has one of the most unique powers. I couldn't wait to find out what powers the other primarchs had, but it seemed that after Magnus, GW run out of imagination and just gave about 12 of them the 'master tactician' power (snore).

I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

 Jayden63 wrote:
I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

I didn't think that the Imperial Fists were that popular. I always thought people saw their stubbornness as grating but it seems I was wrong, that or the color turns a lot of people off from them. As far as the Space Wolves go, people either love them or absolutely hate them it would seem but it does look like there is a vocal minority that talks bad about the Wolves a lot.

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 Envihon wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

I didn't think that the Imperial Fists were that popular. I always thought people saw their stubbornness as grating but it seems I was wrong, that or the color turns a lot of people off from them. As far as the Space Wolves go, people either love them or absolutely hate them it would seem but it does look like there is a vocal minority that talks bad about the Wolves a lot.

I neither love nor hate the Space Wolves, I just hate it when people (fans or GW) treat them as "Marines, but better than other Marines cuz savage nordic vikings are sooo kewl!"

I can't help but notice that there's very little love for the White Scars. It makes me kind of sad, but I think I understand why. Character wise, they're probably the least fleshed out legion (Mongolian and... uh... kind of like the Space Wolves). Nobody hates them and nobody loves them, they're just there, which is the worst place to be because it means they get ignored.

poor ultramarines, they are a really cool chapter but noone seems to want to get past the GW fanboyism they seem to attract. :(

 Jayden63 wrote:
I find it more than just a little amusing that Space Wolves are tied for 3rd place. Especially considering all the pure unfiltered hatred that pops up in pretty much any SW based thread in both the 40K background and/or 40K Discussions forums.

I guess the masses are not being swayed by the vocal minority.

I wonder if the Space Wolves appeal to loud, boisterous people?

Iron hands, because flesh is weak and machine will not die!

 bocatt wrote:
Besides that, Raven Guard. They're as close to Reasonable Marines as we can possibly get.

Other than the Alpha Legion.

Imperial Fist in first.

All right. All is well in the world


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 Envihon wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
I always like the Imperial Fists because they're the Space Marines I find easiest to relate to. They fight really hard for what they believe is right, but occasionally they fail (unlike SOME chapters cough*Ultramarines*cough). And when they fail, they beat themselves up about it. It makes them more human than the other SM's, even the other "nice" chapters like Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Also, major bonus points for defending the Emperor's palace while the Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels were busy chasing decoys and generally screwing around. The Imperial Fists were one of the most important players in the Horus Heresy.

This is how I also feel about the Imperial Fists and why I like them so much. Plus, to me, Dorn is one of the most characterized of the loyalist Primarchs, you actually get inside his head more than any other loyalist Primarch, something that it seems has always been reserved for the traitor Primarchs. Through everything they have about Dorn and the Fists, you see how much the Heresy affects Dorn and how he copes with the fact that the Imperium was falling apart but he still persists. That is what defines them, they are realistic about their situation, they know it might be hopeless but they are fething stubborn gits that continue on fighting. That can be said about any Space Marine but the Fists take it to heart the most and they do seem more human than the rest.

These post right here are my feelings

Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

 raiden wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

Yeah but some Primarchs acted as Dictators while others acted more diplomatically. Gulliman, Dorn, Corax, and Vulcan were known for establishing democratic societies taking a more passive role in the ruling of the planets they conquered.

 Envihon wrote:

 raiden wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Raven Guard. They act as Marines should, regarding humanity - they protect it directly. No lordling over.

The emperor had intended for the Astarte's to govern humanity after the completion of the GC

Yeah but some Primarchs acted as Dictators while others acted more diplomatically. Gulliman, Dorn, Corax, and Vulcan were known for establishing democratic societies taking a more passive role in the ruling of the planets they conquered.

this is true, though I great dictator will be a better government than a democracy like the one America has. Thankfully guilliman and dorn knew what the hell they were doing.

The Imperial Fists.

First, last and greatest defenders of Terra.

I voted scars i like the Mongol theme, they were at the siege of Terra, their fast attack philosophy and the cameo of one plays in salvations reach the white scar is the most badass!

Second would be the wolves. My epic marines when i first started were the sons of Russ!

The fact Russ is nicknamed the allfather and has two pet wolves Freki and Geri lends very strongly to the assertion that they have a viking theme!

bertmac wrote:
I voted scars i like the Mongol theme, they were at the siege of Terra, their fast attack philosophy and the cameo of one plays in salvations reach the white scar is the most badass!

Second would be the wolves. My epic marines when i first started were the sons of Russ!

The fact Russ is nicknamed the allfather and has two pet wolves Freki and Geri lends very strongly to the assertion that they have a viking theme!

Russ isn't the Allfather, the Emperor is.