Two Ebola patients, who died of the virus in separate communities in Nimba County have reportedly resurrected in the county. The victims, both females, believed to be in their 60s and 40s respectively, died of the Ebola virus recently in Hope Village Community and the Catholic Community in Ganta, Nimba.
But to the amazement of residents and onlookers on Monday, the deceased reportedly regained life in total disbelief. The NewDawn Nimba County correspondent said the late Dorris Quoi of Hope Village Community and the second victim only identified as Ma Kebeh, said to be in her late 60s, were about to be taken for burial when they resurrected.
Ma Kebeh had reportedly been in door for two nights without food and medication before her alleged death. Nimba County has had bazaar news of Ebola cases with a native doctor from the county, who claimed that he could cure infected victims, dying of the virus himself last week.
News of the resurrection of the two victims has reportedly created panic in residents of Hope Village Community and Ganta at large, with some citizens describing Dorris Quoi as a ghost, who shouldn’t live among them. Since the Ebola outbreak in Nimba County, this is the first incident of dead victims resurrecting.
Scary stuff.
Some folks have suggested that maybe the patients weren't, maybe, 100% dead, but where does calm reasoning get you when the zombie hordes are trying to break in eh ?
It's especially not true in those hippy states like California.
California is a very rich and productive state. It makes great films, gives us great technology. It gave us General Patton, it is the state that all other American states aspire to be...
If you wait until the zombie apocalypse hits to get one, you've waited too long.
That's ok, everyone knows the gun toters get eaten first.
It's their own damn fault for making so much noise, after all.
Of all the new zombie movie/show tropes, I've always thought that one is the stupidest. It's just a way for them to make guns all but unusable for their little movie, to increase the amount of hand to hand with cricket bats and golf clubs. Anyone who's ever heard a gun fired outside knows that unless you're in the immediate vicinity, it's pretty difficult to locate the shooter by sound alone, and this difficulty only increases as distance from the shooter increases. This thing where someone fires a gun somewhere in a city and zombies come running from every direction is incredibly unrealistic. Even if they could locate the shooter via sound sound, at that distance by the time the zombies arrived the shooter would be long gone.
It's funny because just the other day i asked my dad if i could buy a full face respirator, body armour and a combat knife of of Ebay. he said no. :(
ohh well, I'll have to make due with cardboard boxes and my hobby knife. BRING FORTH THE APOCALYPSE!
Great. Just great. I was hoping I wasn't living in a apocalypse movie. Everything seemed reasonable and fine up until now. Now I'm going to turn into a zombie so that a grizzly white guy can blow my head off while the token woman watches in terror.
*cracks knuckles* No little kids to slow me down and look after. I'm good. I've got an axe, a bow and arrows and a decent aim. I'll make due until I find a discarded shotgun and piles of ammo that just happen to include what I need. Maybe I should get 4 pistols: 2 for chest straps, 2 for the hips.
timetowaste85 wrote: *cracks knuckles* No little kids to slow me down and look after. I'm good. I've got an axe, a bow and arrows and a decent aim. I'll make due until I find a discarded shotgun and piles of ammo that just happen to include what I need. Maybe I should get 4 pistols: 2 for chest straps, 2 for the hips.
If you think kids will slow you down... you're doing it wrong.
Never openly display a surplus of arms in any danger situation. No matter how many guns you carry, a single bullet can and most likely will kill you. By showing off your impressive armory, you make yourself a more profitable target to looters.
Sigvatr wrote: Never openly display a surplus of arms in any danger situation. No matter how many guns you carry, a single bullet can and most likely will kill you. By showing off your impressive armory, you make yourself a more profitable target to looters.
Well, that depends. In some cases the deterrent factor of being openly armed might outweigh the chance of someone else trying to take what you've got. It's not always the best course of action, but I wouldn't go so far as to say to never do it.
I have a friend who is a cop, an ex military friend, and I'm from redneck country NY originally. Guns aren't an issue-I know people. But right now I have a heavy axe in easy reach. I've already extended my needs and should have toys in a decent amount of time.
All this talk of swords and heavy axes... Have fun swinging those for days, I got my trusty waffle head clawed framing hammer. Which I actually CAN swing for days. Also whose been Boning up on their trapping and tracking skills lately! Of course come end of winter and I'll be out of practice again im sure.
If you wait until the zombie apocalypse hits to get one, you've waited too long.
That's ok, everyone knows the gun toters get eaten first.
It's their own damn fault for making so much noise, after all.
Of all the new zombie movie/show tropes, I've always thought that one is the stupidest. It's just a way for them to make guns all but unusable for their little movie, to increase the amount of hand to hand with cricket bats and golf clubs. Anyone who's ever heard a gun fired outside knows that unless you're in the immediate vicinity, it's pretty difficult to locate the shooter by sound alone, and this difficulty only increases as distance from the shooter increases. This thing where someone fires a gun somewhere in a city and zombies come running from every direction is incredibly unrealistic. Even if they could locate the shooter via sound sound, at that distance by the time the zombies arrived the shooter would be long gone.
In my experience (gained from hunting), a single gunshot can be difficult to locate. But if it's closely followed by a second shot, you tend to get a pretty good sense of the direction. Add more shooting and it's fairly easy to make a beeline for it, as long as we're not talking about extreme ranges.
My experience is obviously in the wilderness and not in the city.
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Chancetragedy wrote: All this talk of swords and heavy axes... Have fun swinging those for days, I got my trusty waffle head clawed framing hammer. Which I actually CAN swing for days. Also whose been Boning up on their trapping and tracking skills lately! Of course come end of winter and I'll be out of practice again im sure.
Gamers will be among the very first to go because of ideas like these.
You know, "zombie apocalypse" is a really misleading phrase at least when it is used so freely as we hear nowadays. It tends to imply that zombies are the cause. Let me tell you guys, in a "zombie apocalypse" type situation, the zombies are just a symptom. The apocalypse part is going on long time before the zombies show up.
Chancetragedy wrote: All this talk of swords and heavy axes... Have fun swinging those for days, I got my trusty waffle head clawed framing hammer. Which I actually CAN swing for days. Also whose been Boning up on their trapping and tracking skills lately! Of course come end of winter and I'll be out of practice again im sure.
Gamers will be among the very first to go because of ideas like these.
A crowbar is it for me.
you know most crowbars weigh a lot more than most swords right?
my hand and a half weights about 4 lbs (which is on the heavier side of said weapons)
If you wait until the zombie apocalypse hits to get one, you've waited too long.
That's ok, everyone knows the gun toters get eaten first.
It's their own damn fault for making so much noise, after all.
Of all the new zombie movie/show tropes, I've always thought that one is the stupidest. It's just a way for them to make guns all but unusable for their little movie, to increase the amount of hand to hand with cricket bats and golf clubs. Anyone who's ever heard a gun fired outside knows that unless you're in the immediate vicinity, it's pretty difficult to locate the shooter by sound alone, and this difficulty only increases as distance from the shooter increases. This thing where someone fires a gun somewhere in a city and zombies come running from every direction is incredibly unrealistic. Even if they could locate the shooter via sound sound, at that distance by the time the zombies arrived the shooter would be long gone.
In my experience (gained from hunting), a single gunshot can be difficult to locate. But if it's closely followed by a second shot, you tend to get a pretty good sense of the direction. Add more shooting and it's fairly easy to make a beeline for it, as long as we're not talking about extreme ranges.
My experience is obviously in the wilderness and not in the city.
That's true, if there's continuous shooting you can move in the general direction. But it seems like in a lot of these newer zombie movies, a character will fire a few shots (usually to take out one or two zombies) and then every zombie for miles comes running to their exact spot. I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that that wouldn't actually happen in real life.
Chancetragedy wrote: All this talk of swords and heavy axes... Have fun swinging those for days, I got my trusty waffle head clawed framing hammer. Which I actually CAN swing for days. Also whose been Boning up on their trapping and tracking skills lately! Of course come end of winter and I'll be out of practice again im sure.
Gamers will be among the very first to go because of ideas like these.
A crowbar is it for me.
you know most crowbars weigh a lot more than most swords right?
my hand and a half weights about 4 lbs (which is on the heavier side of said weapons)
An 18" crowbar weighs like 2 lbs at most. My framing hammer is little over a pound.
I have a decent sword, but it wouldn't be my goto weapon in a zompocalypse. Slashing and stabbing are not particularly effective against an enemy without a functional circulatory system. I'd use my handy little hatchet or a nice ball peen hammer (the noblest of all hammers).
That's true, if there's continuous shooting you can move in the general direction. But it seems like in a lot of these newer zombie movies, a character will fire a few shots (usually to take out one or two zombies) and then every zombie for miles comes running to their exact spot. I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that that wouldn't actually happen in real life.
Considering the attitudes most people have regarding "zombie apocalypse" scenarios, continuous shooting rather than run and gun will be fairly common in the early days, especially if people rush for the same resources all at once.
My go-to is at the moment is a hand mattock. Pretty light, but sharp enough and with a good enough punch to do enough damage.
That's true, if there's continuous shooting you can move in the general direction. But it seems like in a lot of these newer zombie movies, a character will fire a few shots (usually to take out one or two zombies) and then every zombie for miles comes running to their exact spot. I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that that wouldn't actually happen in real life.
Considering the attitudes most people have regarding "zombie apocalypse" scenarios, continuous shooting rather than run and gun will be fairly common in the early days, especially if people rush for the same resources all at once.
What do you mean? People trying to defend in place rather than trying to escape?
That's true, if there's continuous shooting you can move in the general direction. But it seems like in a lot of these newer zombie movies, a character will fire a few shots (usually to take out one or two zombies) and then every zombie for miles comes running to their exact spot. I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that that wouldn't actually happen in real life.
Considering the attitudes most people have regarding "zombie apocalypse" scenarios, continuous shooting rather than run and gun will be fairly common in the early days, especially if people rush for the same resources all at once.
What do you mean? People trying to defend in place rather than trying to escape?
That(most people I know actually have a certain place close to where they live where they'd try to hold out) and the inevitable rush for guns and other resources before they try to escape.
My in-laws actually have a fairly isolated distribution center picked out to head to and thanks to the Commissary, they and we are fairly well stocked on non-perishables for such a trip.
Not to burst anyones bubble but the US military will have it all sorted out before you put on your favorite zombie fighting outfit and get out the door lol.
That being said I'd finally get to see what a .50 cal and a ridiculous amount of demo can achieve.
BrotherGecko wrote: Not to burst anyones bubble but the US military will have it all sorted out before you put on your favorite zombie fighting outfit and get out the door lol.
That being said I'd finally get to see what a .50 cal and a ridiculous amount of demo can achieve.
The US military is going to be able to protect everybody in every small town, big city, suburb and rural area in America? Okay. Good luck with that plan.
timetowaste85 wrote: Besides, we all know from the various zombie movies that the military won't be enough. They'll be over run.
It's not that they'll be overrun, it's more that they can't cover all the ground in the US all at once.
This, actually. They DO have plans in place, but as for protecting people, military members, essential civilian personnel, and families of such take priority and even then, they're very unlikely to come and get you unless you're absolutely essential.
BrotherGecko wrote: Not to burst anyones bubble but the US military will have it all sorted out before you put on your favorite zombie fighting outfit and get out the door lol.
That being said I'd finally get to see what a .50 cal and a ridiculous amount of demo can achieve.
The US military is going to be able to protect everybody in every small town, big city, suburb and rural area in America? Okay. Good luck with that plan.
In a real circumstance it would be nipped in the bud before it went full apocalypse. At best it might get to a riot situation. The ebloa is the threat not the zombies.
But I am not going to let that interfere with my dreams of being Texan zombie killin machine.
You all should have a capable silencer in your house hold. The Mag-Lights that hold D batteries. A drill and a rat tail file to shape the hoe to go over the muzzle and metal set to adhere to the front sight post. METAL SET!! I bet some of you all would use GW glue
Wouldn't you need rubber washers or something inside? I know jack gak about guns other than they're fun to fire, but I thought you needed chambers in a suppressor for it to be effective.
Jihadin wrote: Steel wool and washers. Have to remember your channeling the sound not suppressing the sound.
But why would you need a silencer to fight zombies? The whole world would be ablaze, shops would be getting looted, Obama would flee to Alaska, there would be gun battles on every corner, Republicans and Democrats would unite, women wouldn't spend hours getting ready...
Chancetragedy wrote: All this talk of swords and heavy axes... Have fun swinging those for days, I got my trusty waffle head clawed framing hammer. Which I actually CAN swing for days. Also whose been Boning up on their trapping and tracking skills lately! Of course come end of winter and I'll be out of practice again im sure.
Gamers will be among the very first to go because of ideas like these.
A crowbar is it for me.
you know most crowbars weigh a lot more than most swords right?
my hand and a half weights about 4 lbs (which is on the heavier side of said weapons)
Bladed weapons tend to chip though when biting through bone. You want something that can last in a zombie infestation. I'd rather use a mace.
A halberd may be useful as well, due to it's reach.
Chancetragedy wrote: All this talk of swords and heavy axes... Have fun swinging those for days, I got my trusty waffle head clawed framing hammer. Which I actually CAN swing for days. Also whose been Boning up on their trapping and tracking skills lately! Of course come end of winter and I'll be out of practice again im sure.
Gamers will be among the very first to go because of ideas like these.
A crowbar is it for me.
you know most crowbars weigh a lot more than most swords right?
my hand and a half weights about 4 lbs (which is on the heavier side of said weapons)
Bladed weapons tend to chip though when biting through bone. You want something that can last in a zombie infestation.
I'd rather use a mace.
A halberd may be useful as well, due to it's reach.
A baseball bat would be pretty good too. They're meant to be swung. I like a smallish crowbar because I can use it for other things.
timetowaste85 wrote: Besides, we all know from the various zombie movies that the military won't be enough. They'll be over run.
It's not that they'll be overrun, it's more that they can't cover all the ground in the US all at once.
This, actually. They DO have plans in place, but as for protecting people, military members, essential civilian personnel, and families of such take priority and even then, they're very unlikely to come and get you unless you're absolutely essential.
I have little doubt that Redeker Plans would be activated in the event of something like this.
Jihadin wrote: What if we have it all wrong and the head demolishing doesn't "kill" them
They still can't bite you, and I'm just going on gut instinct here as I have zero experience in the matter. BUT if you also cave their face in they probably won't be able to see or smell you and effectively become easily avoided road obstacles that simply follow sounds slowly.
If they are "real" zombies, they won't die unless you fill their mouths with salt and sew them shut. Crowbars to the head would just make them mad. Also, you'd be in arm's reach, and that's the last place you want to be with a zombie. Those guys are crazy strong.
Pfffff... Ebola will never get us all. As soon as it's financially viable, the drug companies will find a cure. Look at AIDs death rates in a Western nation vs. African if you don't believe me.
timetowaste85 wrote: I hope not. Gary Sinese and Molly Ringwald are too old to be the saviors of mankind at this point.
Damn....now we mention it..I see a possible remake in the future
Warner and CBS announced the remake in 2011. They announced this year that Josh Boone was hired to write(script's done now) and Matthew McConaughey is being courted to play Randall Flag.
timetowaste85 wrote: I hope not. Gary Sinese and Molly Ringwald are too old to be the saviors of mankind at this point.
Damn....now we mention it..I see a possible remake in the future
Warner and CBS announced the remake in 2011. They announced this year that Josh Boone was hired to write(script's done now) and Matthew McConaughey is being courted to play Randall Flag.
Being in NZ I feel pretty safe from zombies. I feel like I would get to watch the Zombie Apocalypse through youtube and so on.
BUT if zombies did get here, we have so few weapons and a tiny force that I think many of us would be very dead very fast.
Its either watch the world get devoured in my living room, or being slaughtered like helpless sheep by a wave of zombies.
No borders and some of the biggest claimed surrounding ocean sounds nicely safe. If all else fails, we in Paraparaumu have no shortage of boats and a large island reserve right on the coast. We can try live out the rest of our days with the kiwis.
timetowaste85 wrote: I hope not. Gary Sinese and Molly Ringwald are too old to be the saviors of mankind at this point.
Damn....now we mention it..I see a possible remake in the future
Warner and CBS announced the remake in 2011. They announced this year that Josh Boone was hired to write(script's done now) and Matthew McConaughey is being courted to play Randall Flag.
Swastakowey wrote: Being in NZ I feel pretty safe from zombies. I feel like I would get to watch the Zombie Apocalypse through youtube and so on.
BUT if zombies did get here, we have so few weapons and a tiny force that I think many of us would be very dead very fast.
Its either watch the world get devoured in my living room, or being slaughtered like helpless sheep by a wave of zombies.
No borders and some of the biggest claimed surrounding ocean sounds nicely safe. If all else fails, we in Paraparaumu have no shortage of boats and a large island reserve right on the coast. We can try live out the rest of our days with the kiwis.
Here in dunedin we deal with zombies every day, they're called university students.
Seriously though, I'll probably just flee into Central Otago, there's enough guns out there to arm the whole country,
Damn, I hope they leave me enough time to complete ordering my Mailed Bresengar and make my plate armour or else im stuck with my leather waistcoat and my trenchcoat.
Still, were sorted for weapons.... Kitchen knives, hunting knives, swords, crowbars, hatchets, hammers, spears......
master of ordinance wrote: Damn, I hope they leave me enough time to complete ordering my Mailed Bresengar and make my plate armour or else im stuck with my leather waistcoat and my trenchcoat.
Still, were sorted for weapons.... Kitchen knives, hunting knives, swords, crowbars, hatchets, hammers, spears......
I heard this one before.
"Wait. Let me get this right. Your wearing full plate armor, longsword drawn, shield at the ready, chain mail hanging loose from various places on your body, broadsword strapped to your back, foot long dirk clipped to one of three belts, eight bags hanging off your back, chain mace in holster on your right hip, solid mace in holster on your left hip, faceguard down so your seeing through two slits, your breathing heavy, the cape your wearing is making you sweat, you wished you wore your padded socks instead of going bare footed in your solid plate boots, you forgot to apply bear fat onto your armor joints, your hugging the wall trying to stay in shadow and your trying to SNEAK LIKE A THIEF...."
master of ordinance wrote: Damn, I hope they leave me enough time to complete ordering my Mailed Bresengar and make my plate armour or else im stuck with my leather waistcoat and my trenchcoat.
Still, were sorted for weapons.... Kitchen knives, hunting knives, swords, crowbars, hatchets, hammers, spears......
No offense, but anyone who is seriously considering going hand to hand with a horde of zombies as a viable tactic is going to get eaten by zombies. If there are zombies coming and your primary weapon is a melee weapon, you need to either 1. Find a better weapon, or 2. Leave the area before they arrive. Preferably both.
master of ordinance wrote: Damn, I hope they leave me enough time to complete ordering my Mailed Bresengar and make my plate armour or else im stuck with my leather waistcoat and my trenchcoat.
Still, were sorted for weapons.... Kitchen knives, hunting knives, swords, crowbars, hatchets, hammers, spears......
No offense, but anyone who is seriously considering going hand to hand with a horde of zombies as a viable tactic is going to get eaten by zombies. If there are zombies coming and your primary weapon is a melee weapon, you need to either 1. Find a better weapon, or 2. Leave the area before they arrive. Preferably both.
Once they break off all their teeth on his armor they're just going to gum him to death
d-usa wrote: What's with all the blunt weapons? That stuff is spread via blood and you fools will spray it everywhere when you smash their heads in!
Yeah, exactly. Melee weapons are the weapons of the desperate, a true last resort in a zombie apocalypse scenario. Sorry, if the infection spreads across the channel, most of you guys in the UK are going to get eaten.
d-usa wrote: What's with all the blunt weapons? That stuff is spread via blood and you fools will spray it everywhere when you smash their heads in!
Yeah, exactly. Melee weapons are the weapons of the desperate, a true last resort in a zombie apocalypse scenario. Sorry, if the infection spreads across the channel, most of you guys in the UK are going to get eaten.
They would escape though the Channel Tunnel....wait....running from UK Zombies into French Zombies.....SWIM TO THE US of A
I thought Australian zombies would be dropping on their victims from trees.
Your really asking for the spider in the corner pic with all the baby spiders..you know the one.the little sawed off blankity blank blank one that shoots web out that dissolves flesh on contact..
1. These are far from the strangest resurrection stories in living memory. The story of a fellow named Cheung from Cambodia is stranger still, and while I have never met him I know someone who has.
2. Africa and South East Asia are very different from the western world, people believe different things and this unlocks strange events that havent happened here in a long while.
3. Raising the dead and animating the dead are two different things.
4. Zombie jokes aside its rare that resurrection stories hit the press in any way. I do not know if these two are genuine, if they are they will have a story to tell from the other side. Like most cases the only guy I met who was resurrected was profoundly affected by the death experience, it places mortal life on a whole different perspective.
Ah, a story that implies nothing about zombieism and every nerd on the i ternet is stroking their e-penis trying to prove how they can survive the zombie apocalypse without any sort of weapons or survival training, let alone basic phywical fitness required of such a scenariom Yep, good luck with that guys.
timetowaste85 wrote: Besides, we all know from the various zombie movies that the military won't be enough. They'll be over run.
It's not that they'll be overrun, it's more that they can't cover all the ground in the US all at once.
Good thing they wouldnt have to. The movie scenario of "suddenly zombies, everywhere" is unrealistic, and not just because zombies themselves are inherently unrealistic, but because of the basic fact that a disease doesnt spontaneously and suddenly flare up across a widely dispersed geographical region. In a real zombie scenario, law enforcemenr and military will have ample time to respond in the early stages while the outbreak is still concentrated in a relatively small area. Beyond that, the base assumption made in just about every piece of zombie fiction ever is that the concept of zombies doesnt exist within the setting, hence the use of alternate terminology to describe them "walkers", "braineaters" "undead" etc. and the almost mandatory moment of exposition wherein its revealed that shooting them in the head is the only eay to put them down. In the real world people know what zombies are and would figure it out pretty quick, meaning thatthe outbreak would be discovered much more quickly and the proper measures to contain it could be put in place much sooner.
Since im ranting already, I guess Ill continue. Despite what film media implies, even if a headshot was really the only way to "put down" a biter, bodyshots will still be effective. A bullet doesnt just make a nice hole for fluids to pour out, it tears apart bone and muscle fibers, severs parts of thr nervous system, etc. etc. etc. Making it difficult if not impossible for a zombie to move is beneficial in and of itself. Beyond that, undead humans are still just human. Contrary to popular belief, human teeth doesnt do a very good job of biting through clothing, which makes infection via bite that much less likely due to the fact that in western society were usually pretty well covered up, not that human teeth is that good at tearing off human flesh off a living body either.
Further, the undead status of zombies is more beneficial than anyone realizes. Ysee, being undead means that theirs no cellular reproduction, i.e. they will inevitably decay. Further, every movement and action that a human partakes in damages our cells. The reason your body hurts after a workout? You tore muscle fibers which must be regenerated. That happens even from something so basic as walking. Zombies cant do that, which means their own inherent behaviors of walking around and preying on people will damage their own tissue, which will degrade their capability even faster than a corpse buried in the ground. Dont even get me started on the effects of rain or fire on a zombie. A watersoaked zombie will decompose faster. A zombie on fire...well max brooks was right in that theyd still be mobile for a time, but newsflash, flame destroys cells, first your flesh, then your muscle... flamethrowers burn even hotter than your typical fire which makes them all that much more effective.
chaos0xomega wrote: Since im ranting already, I guess Ill continue. Despite what film media implies, even if a headshot was really the only way to "put down" a biter, bodyshots will still be effective. A bullet doesnt just make a nice hole for fluids to pour out, it tears apart bone and muscle fibers, severs parts of thr nervous system, etc. etc. etc. Making it difficult if not impossible for a zombie to move is beneficial in and of itself. Beyond that, undead humans are still just human. Contrary to popular belief, human teeth doesnt do a very good job of biting through clothing, which makes infection via bite that much less likely due to the fact that in western society were usually pretty well covered up, not that human teeth is that good at tearing off human flesh off a living body either.
I agree with this part at least. More reason that firearms are the superior weapon in a zombie outbreak scenario. If ammo conservation is a concern (and it will be) mobility kills are the way to go.
The problem with the rest is that you seem convinced that the infection will only be spread by bite. That's not an assumption I'm willing to make. I mean really, you make the good point that in zombie films, the idea of zombies doesn't seem to exist (which I'd never really thought about before, but it's a really interesting approach), so are we really going to take content in films that aren't even realistic as evidence that a zombie infection will be spread through bite only? I'd think it'd be more likely to become airborne and spread that way (or at the very least, through contact with bodily fluids, including blood, which is another reason why melee is a horrible idea).
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chaos0xomega wrote: Further, the undead status of zombies is more beneficial than anyone realizes. Ysee, being undead means that theirs no cellular reproduction, i.e. they will inevitably decay. Further, every movement and action that a human partakes in damages our cells. The reason your body hurts after a workout? You tore muscle fibers which must be regenerated. That happens even from something so basic as walking. Zombies cant do that, which means their own inherent behaviors of walking around and preying on people will damage their own tissue, which will degrade their capability even faster than a corpse buried in the ground. Dont even get me started on the effects of rain or fire on a zombie. A watersoaked zombie will decompose faster. A zombie on fire...well max brooks was right in that theyd still be mobile for a time, but newsflash, flame destroys cells, first your flesh, then your muscle... flamethrowers burn even hotter than your typical fire which makes them all that much more effective.
This also assumes that zombies are true undead, and not simply infected, but technically living organisms.
timetowaste85 wrote: So...you're coming in to piss all over our fun? Thanks for that.
For what it's worth, I kind of find it banal myself. I just wasn't irrtated enough by it to piss on the fun.
Also, I posit that the fun WANTED to be pissed on. Otherwise, wouldn't it have just gotten out of the way?
And next you're going to say that the fun shouldn't have been dressed so provocatively? Typical victim blaming! We're trying to discuss zombie mobility kills here!
Allow me to counter this seemingly calm and rational opinion with two historical examples and speculation. That'ss right, gross speculation.
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/ Let's say the zombie virus is spread by blood, and mosquitoes get involved- 216 million zombies appear, and the spread , unlike malaria, is not limited to mosquito bites- the infected spend the rest of their corpse-unlife biting and bleeding on everything in sight. Let's say each infected individual only gets two others, and you have over 500 million infected out there- numbers equal to the Spanish Flu, our most modern plague.
While the undead nature of the host would limit mobility shortly, and harshly in most cases- the undead virus would likely be incredicly resilient. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/giant-zombie-virus-pulled-permafrost a regular, living virus survived 30,000 years- an undead virus would be essentially immortal. Depending on how many a body was able to produce, and how many are needed to spark infection, one person getting into the ocean would probably set off outbreaks throughout the world. It only takes one, and we could also have zombie rain as the virus was carried aloft in water particles.
From this perspective, a real world outbreak would be like a slow zombie film- unstoppable, slow, and inevitable. We would fear each drink, and each drop of dew descending from the clouds into an open cut. Mankind would be reduced to hiding in hermetically sealed bunkers, straining water with ever more sophisticated filters and hoping against hope that the virus wasn't already within the walls.
chaos0xomega wrote: Since im ranting already, I guess Ill continue. Despite what film media implies, even if a headshot was really the only way to "put down" a biter, bodyshots will still be effective. A bullet doesnt just make a nice hole for fluids to pour out, it tears apart bone and muscle fibers, severs parts of thr nervous system, etc. etc. etc. Making it difficult if not impossible for a zombie to move is beneficial in and of itself. Beyond that, undead humans are still just human. Contrary to popular belief, human teeth doesnt do a very good job of biting through clothing, which makes infection via bite that much less likely due to the fact that in western society were usually pretty well covered up, not that human teeth is that good at tearing off human flesh off a living body either.
I agree with this part at least. More reason that firearms are the superior weapon in a zombie outbreak scenario. If ammo conservation is a concern (and it will be) mobility kills are the way to go.
The problem with the rest is that you seem convinced that the infection will only be spread by bite. That's not an assumption I'm willing to make. I mean really, you make the good point that in zombie films, the idea of zombies doesn't seem to exist (which I'd never really thought about before, but it's a really interesting approach), so are we really going to take content in films that aren't even realistic as evidence that a zombie infection will be spread through bite only? I'd think it'd be more likely to become airborne and spread that way (or at the very least, through contact with bodily fluids, including blood, which is another reason why melee is a horrible idea).
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chaos0xomega wrote: Further, the undead status of zombies is more beneficial than anyone realizes. Ysee, being undead means that theirs no cellular reproduction, i.e. they will inevitably decay. Further, every movement and action that a human partakes in damages our cells. The reason your body hurts after a workout? You tore muscle fibers which must be regenerated. That happens even from something so basic as walking. Zombies cant do that, which means their own inherent behaviors of walking around and preying on people will damage their own tissue, which will degrade their capability even faster than a corpse buried in the ground. Dont even get me started on the effects of rain or fire on a zombie. A watersoaked zombie will decompose faster. A zombie on fire...well max brooks was right in that theyd still be mobile for a time, but newsflash, flame destroys cells, first your flesh, then your muscle... flamethrowers burn even hotter than your typical fire which makes them all that much more effective.
This also assumes that zombies are true undead, and not simply infected, but technically living organisms.
To the first part - if its airborne or spread through other means then were probably fethed anyway, and one of the inherent terrors of the zombie scenario (the primal means by which zombiism spreads, i.e. - the bite), if not the scenario as a whole, is mitigated. Theres no sense in fearing the zombies if breathing is going to kill you anyway.
To the second part, living zombies are less scary, as they become more susceptible to other factors, such as organ failure, secondary infection, hypothermia, dehydration, etc. let alone the potential of chemical agents to aid in putting them down.
Gitzbitah wrote: Allow me to counter this seemingly calm and rational opinion with two historical examples and speculation. That'ss right, gross speculation.
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/ Let's say the zombie virus is spread by blood, and mosquitoes get involved- 216 million zombies appear, and the spread , unlike malaria, is not limited to mosquito bites- the infected spend the rest of their corpse-unlife biting and bleeding on everything in sight. Let's say each infected individual only gets two others, and you have over 500 million infected out there- numbers equal to the Spanish Flu, our most modern plague.
While the undead nature of the host would limit mobility shortly, and harshly in most cases- the undead virus would likely be incredicly resilient. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/giant-zombie-virus-pulled-permafrost a regular, living virus survived 30,000 years- an undead virus would be essentially immortal. Depending on how many a body was able to produce, and how many are needed to spark infection, one person getting into the ocean would probably set off outbreaks throughout the world. It only takes one, and we could also have zombie rain as the virus was carried aloft in water particles.
From this perspective, a real world outbreak would be like a slow zombie film- unstoppable, slow, and inevitable. We would fear each drink, and each drop of dew descending from the clouds into an open cut. Mankind would be reduced to hiding in hermetically sealed bunkers, straining water with ever more sophisticated filters and hoping against hope that the virus wasn't already within the walls.
And just like I said previously, that basically changes everything doesnt it? Again, no point fearing the walking dead if basic life functions are going to do you in. As an aside - in the case of the "zombie" virus, while the virus may be resilient, the host isnt. Also, viruses dont evaporate, so zombie rain is a distinct improbability unless viral agents can find another means by which to become airborne. Actually, the whole scenario is just kind of stupid since viral agents need hosts to survive and reproduce. In this case the virus survived because it was preserved by ice, that doesnt mean thatit would survive an extended period in water or in the atmosphere. A bacterial agent on the other hand could, but that would again make it susceptible to other factors.
The portion of the population who would develop an immunity to the infection, which would of course include myself, would still have something to fear from the zombies, which is why they should be the number one concern. If you're going to just become a zombie, I can't really do anything to help you with that.
if youre immune then the zombies become significantly less scary. Your only real fear at that point is that you dont somehow become their lunch, assuming they still see you as prey (unlike the zombies in World War Z).
chaos0xomega wrote: if youre immune then the zombies become significantly less scary. Your only real fear at that point is that you dont somehow become their lunch, assuming they still see you as prey (unlike the zombies in World War Z).
Well, there's also dealing with food, shelter, water, and other survivors, in addition to the zombies.
master of ordinance wrote: Damn, I hope they leave me enough time to complete ordering my Mailed Bresengar and make my plate armour or else im stuck with my leather waistcoat and my trenchcoat.
Still, were sorted for weapons.... Kitchen knives, hunting knives, swords, crowbars, hatchets, hammers, spears......
No offense, but anyone who is seriously considering going hand to hand with a horde of zombies as a viable tactic is going to get eaten by zombies. If there are zombies coming and your primary weapon is a melee weapon, you need to either 1. Find a better weapon, or 2. Leave the area before they arrive. Preferably both.
Hand to hand comes after you have gunned down hundreds with your bolters-How else do you make an epic last stand
