Okay, they've done some things that match up with the first "reboot" of the Flash in the comics (post-Crisis) where Wally West was the Flash. Massive calorie consumption, time trials at race track, no "golden age" precursor, and I'm sure more will come. But I've not followed some of the comic book story arcs with him and was wondering a few things.
First, why would Reverse Flash be trying to save Barry and make him into the hero/legend?
Second, have they dropped any hints as to the Speed Force that the comics had set up?
Breotan wrote: Okay, they've done some things that match up with the first "reboot" of the Flash in the comics (post-Crisis) where Wally West was the Flash. Massive calorie consumption, time trials at race track, no "golden age" precursor, and I'm sure more will come. But I've not followed some of the comic book story arcs with him and was wondering a few things.
First, why would Reverse Flash be trying to save Barry and make him into the hero/legend?
Second, have they dropped any hints as to the Speed Force that the comics had set up?
my theory is he's taking steps to help ensure some specific timeline comes about
My theories regarding Reverse Flash and other stuff, includes comic spoilers and discussion of on-set photos:
Spoiler:
Well you've got two sort of lead-ins to Reverse Flash so far, you've got the travelling back in time to manipulate the past aspect of RF that seems to be Harrison Wells' schtick, but RF's name is Eobard Thawne, which is obviously taken by Eddie Thawne, Joe's partner. The leaked on-set photos of RF seem to be a stunt double, which doesn't help with determining which he is.
Also, I'm theorising that at some point this season Caitlin will end up getting powers, and her fiancé will still be alive, due to her sharing a name with Killer Frost, and him sharing a (first, fairly uncommon) name with Firestorm, as well as the 'Fire and Ice' comment in the last episode, and Killer Frost and Firestorms's relationship in the comics.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Ronnie will definitely end up as Firestorm. They've already cast the other "half" of that character.
And I think Thawne is Reverse Flash. I think he came back to mess with Barry, which is why he's going after Iris because he knows it hurts Barry.
Yeah, I checked after I made the post and Firestorm is definitely going to be a thing, I'm fairly sure that Killer Frost will come about as well due to the aforementioned Fire and Ice comment.
That makes sense, though it does leave the question of who the hell Wells is, as he's been pretty villainous.
They want to do Grod. They said that the Easter Egg in the pilot was something they didn't think they'd be allowed to do, but they were, so there's a chance that he could show up.
And there are a lot of theories as to who Wells is. I like the idea that he's HG Wells.
Geoff Johns in that interview I posted in the Arrow thread:
Like, I can’t believe Gorilla Grodd’s gonna be in a Flash TV show. That’s insane. Like, I say it out loud and I still think it’s insane. But that’s what we want to do; we want to break new ground. Like, Firestorm [Robbie Amell] is going to be seen in live-action!
Maybe it was just me, but the design on the door to the accelerator reminded me of Firestorm's torso design. If intentional, it's a nice touch.
I watched this last night. My review is not favourable.
It was overall, average. Maybe it comes from watching Arrow first but I disliked most of what happened in that episode.
Firstly, backstory was summed up in 1episode and the cops know his identity (one does). That's a mid-season event, not a pilot plot.
Again, second point is that he had a huge supervillain bossfight in the pilot episode. That's a mid-season or season finale showing, not a pilot. Also, the CGI used for Fast Mode Flash is rubbish, and the fight was very badly choreographed and quick.
Third, the acting. I liked Barry Allen for the few episodes of Arrow he appeared in. And I liked his acting overall. The cops were good. But the main offenders here are the women. Iris, far, far too "high school." She acts like they are 15 or something. Its irritating. Secondly, the female assistant to Wells, overexaggerates and dramatises everything within an inch of its life. The one scene I liked her was when she explained to Barry that her fiancee was killed.
Finally, I do not like Wells' actor. Personal thing, but I think it was a bad casting choice. And Iris too.
Some things I did like;
The special effects for the most part. The tornado was especially well done if looking a little out of place.
The crossover with Arrow (I watched the S3 E1 straight after). Its nice to know there is potential for crossover.
Hopefully next episode, titled "The Flash is Born", will end all The Streak statements. The relationship with Iris is getting pretty old fairly quickly and I hope they change up the dynamic. Of course we can't forget
I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
Also note the throwaway line about sightings of a guy on fire that doesn't burn. More Firestorm foreshadowing would be my guess.
Ahtman wrote: I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
Also note the throwaway line about sightings of a guy on fire that doesn't burn. More Firestorm foreshadowing would be my guess.
It'll be interesting to see the character design. I'm guessing it might take more cues from the Fire Elemental version than the poofy sleeves/flaming hair version?
Ahtman wrote: I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
I agree. In the same episode that they made Wells even more untrustworthy they went ahead and made Eddie more friendly. It has to be misdirection.
Ahtman wrote: I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
I agree. In the same episode that they made Wells even more untrustworthy they went ahead and made Eddie more friendly. It has to be misdirection.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It is. And given what happened in yesterday's Arrow, I'm surprised to see the mention of Queen Inc.
maybe to show that the future as shown by the newspaper is changing perhaps
i'm just glad we're moved past "the streak", since i always thought of that old song whenever they called him that
I don't know what the latest Arrow episodes have said (We only just had episode 3 down here. - I think it's so we have new episodes during the USA Thanksgiving)
In any case, it's worth saying that currently the company is "Queen Consolidated" perhaps at some point Oliver or the like will open a new company called "Queen Incorporated"
Breotan wrote: I like that they put another Grodd reference in. I don't like the "military = evil" trope they've gone with.
Well, technically it's a "one specific General and his top-secret unit that lacks oversight = evil", but even then; why does it bother you, out of interest? It's demonstrably true that militaries all over the world did and likely still do some pretty messed-up stuff, particularly when they think there's a chance of getting some new uber-weapon, is it seriously that much of a stretch to think some parts of the American military would be ruthless arseholes when presented with the opportunity to have actual, genuine "super-soldiers"?
Hamill will be reprising his role as The Tricker on The CW’s new Flash series, but with a slight twist. See, the current Flash is quite a bit younger than Hamill is these days, so his version of The Trickster will be—according to HitFix—“an anarchist terrorist con man” who will be serving life in prison when Grant Gustin’s Flash runs into him. Hamill will reportedly show up in episode 17 of The Flash, with the plot revolving around a new “wannabe Trickster” who has begun attacking Central City with, we assume, a series of wacky pranks. In order to stop him, Flash and his cop buddy Detective West (Jesse L. Martin) have to get help from Hamill’s original Trickster.
As viewers know, Flash’s dad—who is played by John Wesley Shipp, the Scarlet Speedster in that same ‘90s show—is serving life in prison for murdering The Flash’s mom, which pretty much guarantees there will be some kind of fan-service-y scenes between him and Hamill. You know, just in case anyone had a doubt that something with Mark Hamill in it would be devoid of fan-service.
Breotan wrote: I like that they put another Grodd reference in. I don't like the "military = evil" trope they've gone with.
Well, technically it's a "one specific General and his top-secret unit that lacks oversight = evil", but even then; why does it bother you, out of interest? It's demonstrably true that militaries all over the world did and likely still do some pretty messed-up stuff, particularly when they think there's a chance of getting some new uber-weapon, is it seriously that much of a stretch to think some parts of the American military would be ruthless arseholes when presented with the opportunity to have actual, genuine "super-soldiers"?
I served ten years in the Marine Corps. A few feth-ups aside the men and women I served with are among the most honorary, patriotic, and professional people I have even known. The parts of your comments which I colored in are bad fanfic at best, insulting as feth at worst. I'm leaning toward the latter.
Just so you have a clue, the military doesn't develop weapons, civilian contractors do. The military puts out a requirement for some item of weapon/vehicle/armor and companies interested in the contract begin working up prototypes. The most promising prototype at the lowest price gets the contract and development of production models begins. The military only gets stuff when it is ready for field testing.
Even if there were some sort of super soldier feth, no military would touch it until it is proven to work reliably and reproducibly. Even then, the top brass would be scared fethless about what could happen once the "enhanced" soldiers leave military service and rejoin the civilian population.
I think your confusing 'military = evil' with the more broad 'military industrial complex = evil'. That episode was just another in a pile of various stories about shady government dealings (involving high ranking military officials seemingly in charge of shadowy units) with weapons makers that have been common since the 50's.
And if you don't think military brass is deeply involved in weapons development, you're sorely mistaken. My dad pretty much did exactly that guy's job (minus the evilness.. I hope) for 2 years at NRO. Military officials coordinate with civilian contractors all the time on development. EDIT: now the marines might do it a lot less, as they tend to be less developmental than the other branches, but the Army and Navy have lots of people whose job is basically just managing R&D via contractors.
Really we should be outraged that Star Labs is suddenly a military contractor (or was, apparently) as to my knowledge that's not part of their lore
As HitFix reported, Hamill will debut as the Trickster—a.k.a. James Jesse—on this season’s 17th episode, which will fall somewhere in Spring 2015. But Hamill’s new Trickster will be slightly different from the goofy prankster who teased John Wesley Shipp’s Flash during the 90’s series.
As the CW officially described the character:
“In this new iteration, The Trickster is an anarchist terrorist con man serving a life sentence in Iron Heights who helps Barry (Grant Gustin) and Det. West (Jesse L. Martin) to foil the city-wide attacks of a wannabe Trickster eagerly following in the original's deadly footsteps. The episode will reunite him with John Wesley Shipp who went up against him as the original 'Flash' on the CBS version."
Hamill will be the third actor to appear on both the original Flash series and the current iteration. John Wesley Shipp, who played Barry Allen and the Flash on CBS’ series, currently plays Barry Allen’s father. And Amanda Pays will make her Flash reunion in this week’s episode, “The Man in the Yellow Suit” in a reprisal of her Dr. Tina McGee character.
"Having Mark reprise his role as The Trickster was on our original wish list when we were planning our version of The Flash,” Flash Executive Producer Andrew Kreisberg told HitFix. “Christmas and Chanukah came early for us this year when he said yes! We are beyond humbled and excited to have him joining us for another round of deadly trickery!"
Hamill, of course, is also known for his iconic performance as Luke Skywalker in the original Star Wars trilogy, and will return to the role in next year’s Star Wars: The Force Awakens. He was also the voice of the Joker in the DC Animated Universe and the first two "Batman: Arkham Asylum" video games.
Breotan wrote: I like that they put another Grodd reference in. I don't like the "military = evil" trope they've gone with.
Well, technically it's a "one specific General and his top-secret unit that lacks oversight = evil", but even then; why does it bother you, out of interest? It's demonstrably true that militaries all over the world did and likely still do some pretty messed-up stuff, particularly when they think there's a chance of getting some new uber-weapon, is it seriously that much of a stretch to think some parts of the American military would be ruthless arseholes when presented with the opportunity to have actual, genuine "super-soldiers"?
I served ten years in the Marine Corps. A few feth-ups aside the men and women I served with are among the most honorary, patriotic, and professional people I have even known. The parts of your comments which I colored in are bad fanfic at best, insulting as feth at worst. I'm leaning toward the latter.
Just so you have a clue, the military doesn't develop weapons, civilian contractors do. The military puts out a requirement for some item of weapon/vehicle/armor and companies interested in the contract begin working up prototypes. The most promising prototype at the lowest price gets the contract and development of production models begins. The military only gets stuff when it is ready for field testing.
Even if there were some sort of super soldier feth, no military would touch it until it is proven to work reliably and reproducibly. Even then, the top brass would be scared fethless about what could happen once the "enhanced" soldiers leave military service and rejoin the civilian population.
I can't tell whether you're being hypersensitive or just naive. The idea that the military are just blameless buyers who have no idea what's going on in the massive research industry that exists purely to serve their needs and which contains vast amounts of scientists working in top-secret projects under the direct supervision of military and intelligence officials is hilarious. The idea that someone even asking if a hypothetical scenario in which one tiny, oversight-devoid part of the military does objectionable things could be possible is somehow a direct personal slight against the honour of every serviceperson ever to have put on a uniform is...well, it would be hilarious, if it wasn't so sad.
Particularly given all the pretty monstrous things British and American soldiers and leaders have been doing over the past decade to gain something as basic as intelligence on tribal insurgents. Even more particularly when you consider the lengths military officials have gone to when trying to maintain the secrecy of their various blunders relating to nuclear weapons and biological or chemical weapons research.
Militaries do horrible things; it's not all they do, but it happens. As long as soldiers and the "SUPPURT R TRUPS!" crowd continue to brand any attempt to criticise historical military failures/atrocities, current military policy and practice, or the potential future impact of existing military attitudes given advancing technologies as personal attacks on the integrity of every soldier, or as some subversive attempt to destabilise western society you're enabling those horrible things, however rare they are, by helping to prevent adequate scrutiny.
I know this has nothing to do with the argument about the military-industrial complex but tonight (in the US) is the introduction of Reverse Flash, so that should be fun.
I quite liked that in the Arrow cross over the Green Arrow told Felicity that there was something off about Wells. It was good to see someone from the outside noting it.
Haven't watched last nights episode (generally don't see my shows till the weekend) but I'm still really enjoying it. Probably one of my favorite shows on TV right now.
Well, it does seem to be getting complicated, with more and more possibilities at work. (First, I should say that this show really seems to be finding its footing.)
Anyway...
Spoiler:
...there seem to be a lot of different Reverse-Flash elements at work.
In the comics, Eobard Thawne was the Reverse-Flash who at one point a suit that gave him superspeed. That element seems to be in play, from the scene with Wells recharging the suit. Thawne was also a time-traveler who messed with Barry's past, etc., and we've obviously seen some of those elements in the storyline. Obviously, Eddie = Eobard? has been a question since the beginning.
There was a theory out there that Harrison Wells is Hunter Zolomon, another Reverse-Flash. Elements of that character seem to be in play. In the comics, Zolomon was a friend of Wally's who was paralyzed in an accident before he got his abilities (which weren't really about speed but time). And his goal was to create tragedy for Wally in order to make him a better hero. I'm not sure if that one tracks exactly, but it certainly does seem as though Wells may have mixed and complicated motives.
Now, there could be a Reverse-Flash mashup at work for the show. But I think that the force field scene was intended to give us some important clues. First, we saw Eddie, Wells, and the Reverse-Flash in the same room together (there could be a superspeed trick at work, but I'm guessing not). We also saw Reverse-Flash spare Eddie's life.
Right now I think that the Reverse-Flash IS Eddie, but a future Eddie from several years down the road (not the far future like in the comics). I figure Eddie wants revenge for being wronged by Barry -- Iris appears to figure prominently here -- and may have needed the suit recharged to be able to return to his time.
Meanwhile, Harrison Wells is Hunter Zolomon -- who has obtained knowledge of the future or is from the future himself -- working with future Eddie. (Note that Eddie, not being a science guy, *would need* someone's help with suit maintenance, etc.) And I think that Wells might not be strictly malevolent. We saw the reference to "red skies" and Flash's disappearance, which I think is a clear reference to the Crisis comics, during which Barry sacrificed himself to save the Earth. (On a related note, it's interesting how we're able to see what looks like a red streak travel through Barry in his origin scene.) Wells/Zolomon's goal may be to ensure that Barry gets to that point in the Crisis, so that the Earth will be saved.
Now, why are future Eddie and Wells/Zolomon working together? It doesn't make a lot of sense -- their goals seem directly opposed and not in sync. So either my theory falls apart, or perhaps Wells/Zolomon is just pulling Eddie's strings, telling him one thing but doing another. Perhaps the Reverse-Flash's presence is needed to spur Barry to become the hero he needs to be to get him to the Crisis point to save the Earth. Note that Reverse-Flash could have killed Wells a thousand times over when they were both trapped in the force field, but he instead chooses to beat him around some and not do any permanent damage. And note the computer glitch that occurred even before Joe took out the force field. Sabotage by Dr. Wells?
This still leaves a lot of holes, but it's my personal best guess as of now.
gorgon wrote: Well, it does seem to be getting complicated, with more and more possibilities at work. (First, I should say that this show really seems to be finding its footing.)
Anyway...
Spoiler:
...there seem to be a lot of different Reverse-Flash elements at work.
In the comics, Eobard Thawne was the Reverse-Flash who at one point a suit that gave him superspeed. That element seems to be in play, from the scene with Wells recharging the suit. Thawne was also a time-traveler who messed with Barry's past, etc., and we've obviously seen some of those elements in the storyline. Obviously, Eddie = Eobard? has been a question since the beginning.
There was a theory out there that Harrison Wells is Hunter Zolomon, another Reverse-Flash. Elements of that character seem to be in play. In the comics, Zolomon was a friend of Wally's who was paralyzed in an accident before he got his abilities (which weren't really about speed but time). And his goal was to create tragedy for Wally in order to make him a better hero. I'm not sure if that one tracks exactly, but it certainly does seem as though Wells may have mixed and complicated motives.
Now, there could be a Reverse-Flash mashup at work for the show. But I think that the force field scene was intended to give us some important clues. First, we saw Eddie, Wells, and the Reverse-Flash in the same room together (there could be a superspeed trick at work, but I'm guessing not). We also saw Reverse-Flash spare Eddie's life.
Right now I think that the Reverse-Flash IS Eddie, but a future Eddie from several years down the road (not the far future like in the comics). I figure Eddie wants revenge for being wronged by Barry -- Iris appears to figure prominently here -- and may have needed the suit recharged to be able to return to his time.
Meanwhile, Harrison Wells is Hunter Zolomon -- who has obtained knowledge of the future or is from the future himself -- working with future Eddie. (Note that Eddie, not being a science guy, *would need* someone's help with suit maintenance, etc.) And I think that Wells might not be strictly malevolent. We saw the reference to "red skies" and Flash's disappearance, which I think is a clear reference to the Crisis comics, during which Barry sacrificed himself to save the Earth. (On a related note, it's interesting how we're able to see what looks like a red streak travel through Barry in his origin scene.) Wells/Zolomon's goal may be to ensure that Barry gets to that point in the Crisis, so that the Earth will be saved.
Now, why are future Eddie and Wells/Zolomon working together? It doesn't make a lot of sense -- their goals seem directly opposed and not in sync. So either my theory falls apart, or perhaps Wells/Zolomon is just pulling Eddie's strings, telling him one thing but doing another. Perhaps the Reverse-Flash's presence is needed to spur Barry to become the hero he needs to be to get him to the Crisis point to save the Earth. Note that Reverse-Flash could have killed Wells a thousand times over when they were both trapped in the force field, but he instead chooses to beat him around some and not do any permanent damage. And note the computer glitch that occurred even before Joe took out the force field. Sabotage by Dr. Wells?
This still leaves a lot of holes, but it's my personal best guess as of now.
Spoiler:
I think you've got Well's identity figured out. As to the recharging of the suit, I thought that was Wells applying the Tachyon particles to it that were recovered during the force field scene.
Then, what's the heck is he doing with a similar outfit?
<--- really confused!
Spoiler:
Because he's the scientist who maintains the equipment while (future) Thawne is the muscle? That's my theory, at least. Of course, that doesn't explain the voice thing. Unless he has some abilities that don't involve the suit.
Then, what's the heck is he doing with a similar outfit?
<--- really confused!
Spoiler:
Because he's the scientist who maintains the equipment while (future) Thawne is the muscle? That's my theory, at least. Of course, that doesn't explain the voice thing. Unless he has some abilities that don't involve the suit.
Unless he's Future Flash who came back to help harden the Flash!
Nice episode, though I am calling Time Traveler shenanigans. The Flash all ways did have just as many timey-whimey foes as Doctor Who.
My guess
Spoiler:
Eddie Thawne is Professor Zoom aka Hunter Zoloman. His "mysterious past" probably had him change it to Eddie Thawne, that is how is why he spared his past self and escaped the force field because he is not a true Speedster. My guess he turns evil some point in the future( probably about Iris) and is coming back into the past to get revenge on Barry. While
Dr. Harrison Wells is Reverse Flash aka Eobard Thawne. My guess is that he is using Barry for future Crisis and is probably working/using Future Eddie/Zoloman. So really all CW did was swap their names and motivations with one another. At least that's my guess anyhow, if I remember my comic's right.
That all being said did anyone catch the tangential continuity of the Arrow mid season; brutal.
The episode just aired in the UK (boo for being weeks behind everyone...)
I think Gorgon is mostly on the money, however...
Spoiler:
I think there's definitely a 'stable time loop' in play here, also possibly adding in a 'paradox will destroy the universe' angle.
I can imagine a plotline where Future-Barry goes back in time to save his mother from a time travelling Reverse-Flash, however he is dissuaded by Wells from doing so, because timey-wimey paradox-ey stuff. - Probably with a line of, "every step you took in your life turned you into the hero you are today, if you weren't the Flash, none of us would be here... And you would never become The Flash if your mother was still alive" And so on (is this part of the Flashpoint Paradox storyline or something? I'm pretty sure I haven't made it up). However, Barry goes back in time anyway, probably overhears a conversation between his mum and dad. - Perhaps even has a conversation with his mum before Reverse-Flash arrives.
At which point, he battles Reverse-Flash but ultimately 'lets' him kill his mother as he is needed to save kid-Barry (which matches the final conversation of the episode about kid-Barry seeing red and yellow streaks)
Therefore, stable timeloop achieved. The Flash is The Flash in the future, which ties into Gorgon's theory about him sacrificing himself to save the planet.
We all suspected it after The Flash's fall finale, but now it's official: Tom Cavanagh, who plays Dr. Harrison Wells, has confirmed that he will be pulling double-duty on the series as the villain known as Reverse Flash.
"[Wells] is the man in the yellow suit," Cavanagh said during a panel at the Television Critics Association winter press tour, in reference to the comic book villain who killed the Flash's mother. And since Wells has the suit, exhibited Reverse Flash's vocal vibration powers, and is in posession of a faster-than-light tachyon device, all signs point to a time-traveling version of the character. But is he the only one?
Executive producer Andrew Kreisberg hinted that another person may be involved in the Reverse Flash mythology—namely Eddie Thawne (Rick Cosnett). Fans have speculated that Eddie (whose name resembles Eobard Thawne, one of the Reverse Flash's aliases in the comics on which the series is based) will become the Reverse Flash. "His name is not an accident," Kreisberg said. "Eddie's connection to the Reverse Flash lore is going to pay off big time in the back half of the year."
Producers also addressed the idea of another spin-off set within the Flash/Arrow universe, possibly featuring the Atom (Brandon Routh). "We're in very early talks on a very general idea that we're... not allowed to say anything about yet," executive producer Greg Berlanti teased.
Earlier in the day, CW president Mark Pedowitz told critics that, while nothing is currently in the works, he's open to additional Flash and Arrow spin-offs "as long as there's no audience fatigue."
Heh, called it.
I left out some stuff about Arrow. You can follow the article to read that and post about it in the Arrow thread.
It's nice watching a CW show that doesn't sit around praying to get a new season order each year, hoping against hope that the powers that be let them continue their story (like Nikita).
Well then. I've actually got some non-triumphant news regarding the Flash's incarnation of Firestorm.
Rob Bricken wrote:Firestorm's Outfit On The Flash Could Possibly Use A Little Work
So among about a billion other things revealed about the CW's burgeoning DC TV universe, the outfit for Robbie Amell's Firestorm was on display at the Television Critics Association event this weekend, and, uh... well, let's just say it was not what I was expecting.
Mainly because it appears to be a hoodie with some gak glued on the front.
Given that Arrow, the Flash and the Atom's costumes all look pretty good, I fully admit I was expecting something a bit more... impressive for Firestorm, who recently debuted on The Flash. I mean, this doesn't even look like a special hoodie. The man can basically set himself on fire; does this thing have some kind of flame retardant powers? And what's with the circle-and-dots doohickey? I know it's a nod to Firestorm's comics costume, but it's over the zipper. Is it part of the material? Does it detach in some way? And if it does, then what the hell is it there for at all?
Look, I know this is a weird thing to quibble about when discussing a character who can engulf himself in flames, but that's actually a pretty normal thing in the DC universe. But as far as I know, zippers work the same way in the DC universe as they do here. So yeah, only one of these two things is challenging my sense of disbelief.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And Arrow and Flash got renewed for new seasons.
It's nice watching a CW show that doesn't sit around praying to get a new season order each year, hoping against hope that the powers that be let them continue their story (like Nikita).
And it got announced that the Flash/Arrow crossover events are going to become an annual thing ala Doctor Who's Christmas Specials.
And that characters will cross over here and there throughout the year, with one big cross-over even a year. As long as we get one more cross-over in the back half of each Season I'll be happy, but otherwise one a year is enough.
Great show so far. Has outdone my concerns about a guy who goes fast.
I haven't read much on Flash's mythology so every twist known in the comics or just for the show is new to me anyway. The little bits about Dr. Wells not being all he says has been a favorite part of the episodes. Interested to see where they take this.
The last couple episode have been the best. First the Flash vs. Reverse Flash battle then the Ice and Fire battle royale. Loved how Eddie stepped up and helped The Flash in time of need. Maybe he'll rethink the task force.
Well Wells' may be siphoning the power to give himself speed (and walking) but that doesn't tell us much about his motivations. There is also the possibility that there is more than one Reverse Flash, which I believe was mentioned above.
I like the show more than the comics actually as the comics got a bit w9erd with The Flash's powers and in the end more speed is almost always the answer and he has become more powerful than pretty much anyone with his speed. Limits are a bit more interesting.
Wells is Zolomon Hunter. Even his cover name (H. Wells) seems to hint at time travel. And not that it means anything, but his appearance matches the Zolomon Reverse-Flash, with the red eyes, distorted speech, etc. IIRC, the computer said something about Speed Force absorption? Perhaps the suit charges Wells/Hunter up with Speed Force and doesn't need to be worn at all times. And I stand by my theory about Hunter not being completely malevolent (taking some cues from comics Hunter), but merely wanting Barry to become the hero he needs to be and get him to the Crisis incident alive so that he can save everyone/everything. Anyway, it was interesting that they also introduced Linda Park, who had a part in the comics in the Hunter storyline and may in the show too.
Given that there's a character named Thawne in the show, I think it's fairly obvious that Eddie will eventually don the suit, probably seeking vengeance (losing Iris?). I guess it's less likely now that we saw a future Eddie in the force field scene, although it hasn't been explained how Wells pulled that whole thing off without an accomplice. That Reverse-Flash's hesitation to kill Eddie might have been a sign of it being future Eddie, or just Wells hesitating to kill the man who will become Barry's greatest adversary, which wouldn't help the whole help-Barry-become-a-hero thing.
Any bets on the teleporter's boyfriend? It was mentioned at one point that his cells were absorbing the teleporting ability of the girlfriend's cells, but then that never came back up again during the episode. Since he was the guy to escape and end at large, I'm wagering he comes back as a power copying bad guy of some form later.
Sounds like the Parasite -- who got his abilities from being exposed to radiation IIRC, so he'd be a decent choice as an accelerator freak. The character names don't match up, though. And he didn't look particularly purple.
I think they were just connected because she grabbed him and teleported him out, so the residue there would have them both. In fact it was stated that they only found her DNA in all the other places and that the mix was at the place where she teleported them.
Ahtman wrote: The latest episode was alright and a nice enough set up for Firestorm, I suppose, but what really makes it is the ending with the double reveal.
I think I rather like how they're doing his speach, as the telepathy rather than animating the gorilla talking. He's looking pretty good the little bits we've seen of him.
I never understand why US shows randomly go on hiatus for 1-3 weeks. I mean sure, around a major holiday, or miss a week because of some huge sporting event you know will eat your whole audience share, but most of the time they just vanish for no apparent reason, and for international viewers often without any warning.
Yodhrin wrote: I never understand why US shows randomly go on hiatus for 1-3 weeks. I mean sure, around a major holiday, or miss a week because of some huge sporting event you know will eat your whole audience share, but most of the time they just vanish for no apparent reason, and for international viewers often without any warning.
Baffles me as well. I mean, it was a massive problem for Agents of SHIELD (well, that and the show wasn't very good), and it was considered such a momentum killer that Marvel went and made a whole other show to fill the 7 week gap to avoid as many other gaps in AoS' second season as possible.
I mean, when Flash returns, is it going to be "1 month later", and be all caught up with Arrow?
Flash didn't start the year with a full season order. CW picked that up a few weeks in, IIRC. So that's probably involved here. I believe they have a full season order for next year already, so you might not see this particular break in season 2.
Networks also want their best stuff airing during sweeps months, since that's when ad rates are set. So they will game their schedule to ensure this or that episode airs in February, May, etc. Although I don't think that's the issue in this case.
gorgon wrote: Flash didn't start the year with a full season order. CW picked that up a few weeks in, IIRC. So that's probably involved here. I believe they have a full season order for next year already, so you might not see this particular break in season 2.
Networks also want their best stuff airing during sweeps months, since that's when ad rates are set. So they will game their schedule to ensure this or that episode airs in February, May, etc. Although I don't think that's the issue in this case.
Ugh, so it's advertising asshattery. The sooner TV networks drag themselves into the 21st century and replace all the Nielsen bollocks with a system capable of accounting for streaming/on-demand consumption so scheduled viewing can just be a straightforward "this is another way to view content" option, the better.
Recently saw it in Germany...just the first two episodes...but...GODDAMN are they bad. Terrible boyish actor, the plot is hazy at best and character's pretty darn bland.
The Flash is cheesy as all hell, but no more than the Arrow and Smallville (seriously, how many times did Lana and Lois get knocked out so Clarks identity was kept safe?!), but just as fun to watch. I like it.
I don't think Smallville is comparable to Arrow or Flash. Arrow and Flash are slightly cheesy but better presented (part of that is being based on adults) and the world is better fleshed out. CW learned a lot from what it did right and wrong with Smallville
Overall I prefer the Flash (I like a happy hero) but the two shows really are some of the better TV currently on. IF they dropped the love triangles (which they seem to be on a kick of right now) it would move pretty steadily into the upper tier period. Especially taking the two together.
Last night's episode was a bit of a roller coaster. For a while, I was thinking that it was a helluva way to come back from a hiatus. But then there was the "never mind" at the end.
But we still learned a lot. Namely, that
Spoiler:
Harrison Wells IS Eobard Thawne. So I was sure wrong on that one, although I still say they're borrowing some from the Hunter Zolomon Reverse-Flash too.
Anyway, the force field scene was pretty well explained, including why Wells didn't take out Eddie (paradoxes would probably ensue).
We really seem to be racing (get it?) to the season finale now. The characters seem to be all in place, and their motivations at least partially clear. Still, Wells' exact motivation for wanting Barry dead is unclear, and the importance of the red skies/crisis event shown in the future newspaper in the pilot is more unclear than ever.
My head asplode as I don't know what to make of all the wackiness. Barry has less than 24 hours to figure out what is happening and make whatever changes he can.
Yeah, I thought I had things at least 60% figured out, but I was wrong on most counts.
Your line about the Flash causing the New 52 got me thinking. I'm probably far off (AGAIN), but I guess I'll spoiler this in case someone doesn't want to read my speculation.
Spoiler:
It's been mentioned that Wells lost his wife...has it been established that he lost her since his arrival in our time, or could it have been in the future?
Perhaps that's Wells' angle. He wanted to kill Barry in order to prevent the crisis event -- which was precipitated or affected by Barry -- that killed his wife. He failed -- stopped by Barry -- and got stuck in the past. Now he needs Barry to collect tachyons or speed force or something to allow him to return to his time. Once he has a full tank, he'll kill present Barry and then return.
An interesting angle to this is that it suggests that Barry can time travel using his speed, while Eobard can't using his. Perhaps he doesn't have the same power level as Barry. Or perhaps his powers work differently. Wells' line from the earlier episode about the Reverse-Flash was something like "powers almost exactly like those of the Flash." (italics added for emphasis) We've seen him apparently lose his speed briefly...maybe he just charges up on speed force rather than being tapped into it directly like Barry?
I hate how occasionally OP he is, like they can't be consistent with how powerful he is. Grabbing WW with no fight and just dropping him in the prison. Grabbing Cold off his bike to whisk him away for a private one and one without him being able to react at all. I mean, why doesn't that just happen to most every villan every time?
AduroT wrote: I hate how occasionally OP he is, like they can't be consistent with how powerful he is. Grabbing WW with no fight and just dropping him in the prison. Grabbing Cold off his bike to whisk him away for a private one and one without him being able to react at all. I mean, why doesn't that just happen to most every villan every time?
They will always struggle with that...
Keep in mind that The Flash is arguably The.Most.Powerful.SuperHero.In.Comic.History.
Arguably.
So the writers have to work overtime humanizing Barry as he learns more about his ability.
AduroT wrote: Apparently we need to get a musical episode of The Flash...
No. No no no no. No we don't, because musical episodes are the devil and that "trend" is perhaps Joss Whedon's greatest crime. They're either completely thematically inconsistent(if I want to watch a musical, I'll watch a musical, not a serialised drama), or use some ridiculous contrived maguffin to try and shoehorn the premise into the fictional reality, and both are incandescently stupid. They're an excuse for the cast and the writers to masturbate over each other about how avant-garde and creative they are.
I've been absorbing Flash and Arrow over my shoulder whilst I write, and I have to say I'm really enjoying Flash. I seesaw between which I like better, right now it's Flash until Felicity gets some more screen time.
I'm intensely curious to see how Flash continues from here, even though I greatly disliked part of the last ep. I saw.
Spoiler:
Eh. I wanted to see if Mason progressed to a vaguely more detailed character. It kinda felt wasteful, even if it did progress the plot.
Chemist in the room is disappointed by how 'boring' Golden Glider's weaponry is. Honestly not a villain I'm familiar with.
Breotan wrote: I don't know. Supernatural - The Musical turned out to be a pretty decent show. The girls' version of Wayward Son was really touching to see.
I'll admit that the Scrubs musical ep got me through some truly rough times a few years ago.
I'm going to be okay. That's what's going to happen.
And does tidy up a lot of loose plot threads involving the wife, how Thawne was able to establish an identity, etc. And he even looks more like Eddie, although across that timeframe you wouldn't necessarily expect much family resemblance.
The last half of this season has been kinda insane. And the previews make it look like it might stay that way right to the end. Can they really keep it up, though?
It occurred to me that they now have a mechanic for keeping Tom Cavanagh around even if Thawne is exposed and defeated.
I caught up last night. Really looking forward to the last few episodes of the season. Looks like we might get another, large cross over which will be awesome!
Hulksmash wrote: I caught up last night. Really looking forward to the last few episodes of the season. Looks like we might get another, large cross over which will be awesome!
It's actually the next episode for "The Flash" called "All Star Team-Up".
So at Wondercon, one of the producers mentioned how everyone missed that in the flashback (flash forward?) to his battle with Thawne in his parents' house, Barry's Flash symbol has white in it.
There are some interesting bits to come out in that article. Like the parts about characters finding out what the alternate (original?) timeline had in store for them. I also thought this part was interesting.
Kreisberg mentioned how Tom Cavanagh (Harrison Wells) likes to twist things for the audience, and that he's pitched Tom things for the future that he's excited about.
So will we see Cavanagh as Wells-Thawne, or as Wells?
Considering this is a thread about the show I can't imagine creating a new thread for the show but if we need to we can.
Well the season finale has come and gone and overall I would say the season was a lot of fun to watch.
Spoiler:
I was a bit surprised how they killed off Eobard Thawne, though with Eddie being sucked into the anamoly I imagine they will comic book that away if they want to. I'm ok with them finishing him, but let's face it in comics people tend to find a way around death.
Jay Garrick's helmet coming out of the time stream was a nice touch, though that might mean they are introducing multiple universes as well.
When Barry is trying to build up the speed to travel back in time he sees visions of the possible past and future. The Flash Museum, Caitlin as Killer Frost, a prison scene (though I didn't catch enough of that one to know what was going on there)
I've got to admit, I was expecting next season to be 'Flashpoint Paradox' based but surprisingly, for once, my initial guesses about the story were right. - Including the heart to heart.
Completely missed those time travel scenes though, so I'm rewinding it.
Was that Hawk Girl that was cut to looking up to the sky in the final scene at the end?
Kid Flash/Wally West, and Keiynan Lonsdale (inset) (2015 DC Entertainment. All rights reserved)
The Flash is getting a new friend in Season 2. The show has cast Wally West.
Keiynan Lonsdale ("Insurgent") joins the show as Wally, a series regular role in The CW superhero drama, which stars Grant Gustin as Barry Allen/The Flash.
In the DC Comics lore, Wally is Iris West's nephew. Candice Patton plays Iris on the show, and Jesse L. Martin plays Detective Joe West.
In the comics, Wally too becomes a speedster -- Kid Flash.
"Just like when we met Grant for the first time, we instantly knew Keiynan embodied all the heart and courage of a hero. We are so excited to be bringing this much-beloved character onto the show," Executive Producer Andrew Kreisberg said in a statement.
"The Flash" Season 2 premieres October 6, 2015 on The CW.
Has outdone my concerns about a guy who goes fast.
