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Okay, they've done some things that match up with the first "reboot" of the Flash in the comics (post-Crisis) where Wally West was the Flash. Massive calorie consumption, time trials at race track, no "golden age" precursor, and I'm sure more will come. But I've not followed some of the comic book story arcs with him and was wondering a few things.
First, why would Reverse Flash be trying to save Barry and make him into the hero/legend?
Second, have they dropped any hints as to the Speed Force that the comics had set up?
Breotan wrote: Okay, they've done some things that match up with the first "reboot" of the Flash in the comics (post-Crisis) where Wally West was the Flash. Massive calorie consumption, time trials at race track, no "golden age" precursor, and I'm sure more will come. But I've not followed some of the comic book story arcs with him and was wondering a few things.
First, why would Reverse Flash be trying to save Barry and make him into the hero/legend?
Second, have they dropped any hints as to the Speed Force that the comics had set up?
my theory is he's taking steps to help ensure some specific timeline comes about
My theories regarding Reverse Flash and other stuff, includes comic spoilers and discussion of on-set photos:
Spoiler:
Well you've got two sort of lead-ins to Reverse Flash so far, you've got the travelling back in time to manipulate the past aspect of RF that seems to be Harrison Wells' schtick, but RF's name is Eobard Thawne, which is obviously taken by Eddie Thawne, Joe's partner. The leaked on-set photos of RF seem to be a stunt double, which doesn't help with determining which he is.
Also, I'm theorising that at some point this season Caitlin will end up getting powers, and her fiancé will still be alive, due to her sharing a name with Killer Frost, and him sharing a (first, fairly uncommon) name with Firestorm, as well as the 'Fire and Ice' comment in the last episode, and Killer Frost and Firestorms's relationship in the comics.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Ronnie will definitely end up as Firestorm. They've already cast the other "half" of that character.
And I think Thawne is Reverse Flash. I think he came back to mess with Barry, which is why he's going after Iris because he knows it hurts Barry.
Yeah, I checked after I made the post and Firestorm is definitely going to be a thing, I'm fairly sure that Killer Frost will come about as well due to the aforementioned Fire and Ice comment.
That makes sense, though it does leave the question of who the hell Wells is, as he's been pretty villainous.
They want to do Grod. They said that the Easter Egg in the pilot was something they didn't think they'd be allowed to do, but they were, so there's a chance that he could show up.
And there are a lot of theories as to who Wells is. I like the idea that he's HG Wells.
Geoff Johns in that interview I posted in the Arrow thread:
Like, I can’t believe Gorilla Grodd’s gonna be in a Flash TV show. That’s insane. Like, I say it out loud and I still think it’s insane. But that’s what we want to do; we want to break new ground. Like, Firestorm [Robbie Amell] is going to be seen in live-action!
Maybe it was just me, but the design on the door to the accelerator reminded me of Firestorm's torso design. If intentional, it's a nice touch.
I watched this last night. My review is not favourable.
It was overall, average. Maybe it comes from watching Arrow first but I disliked most of what happened in that episode.
Firstly, backstory was summed up in 1episode and the cops know his identity (one does). That's a mid-season event, not a pilot plot.
Again, second point is that he had a huge supervillain bossfight in the pilot episode. That's a mid-season or season finale showing, not a pilot. Also, the CGI used for Fast Mode Flash is rubbish, and the fight was very badly choreographed and quick.
Third, the acting. I liked Barry Allen for the few episodes of Arrow he appeared in. And I liked his acting overall. The cops were good. But the main offenders here are the women. Iris, far, far too "high school." She acts like they are 15 or something. Its irritating. Secondly, the female assistant to Wells, overexaggerates and dramatises everything within an inch of its life. The one scene I liked her was when she explained to Barry that her fiancee was killed.
Finally, I do not like Wells' actor. Personal thing, but I think it was a bad casting choice. And Iris too.
Some things I did like;
The special effects for the most part. The tornado was especially well done if looking a little out of place.
The crossover with Arrow (I watched the S3 E1 straight after). Its nice to know there is potential for crossover.
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Hopefully next episode, titled "The Flash is Born", will end all The Streak statements. The relationship with Iris is getting pretty old fairly quickly and I hope they change up the dynamic. Of course we can't forget
Spoiler:
GRODD
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
Also note the throwaway line about sightings of a guy on fire that doesn't burn. More Firestorm foreshadowing would be my guess.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
Also note the throwaway line about sightings of a guy on fire that doesn't burn. More Firestorm foreshadowing would be my guess.
It'll be interesting to see the character design. I'm guessing it might take more cues from the Fire Elemental version than the poofy sleeves/flaming hair version?
Ahtman wrote: I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
I agree. In the same episode that they made Wells even more untrustworthy they went ahead and made Eddie more friendly. It has to be misdirection.
Ahtman wrote: I'm still not convinced that Wells is the Reverse Flash as it just seems like they are trying to hard to lead us down that path. My guess is that it is Eddie. Wells is up to something to be sure, but I don't think that his is the yellow fellow.
I agree. In the same episode that they made Wells even more untrustworthy they went ahead and made Eddie more friendly. It has to be misdirection.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It is. And given what happened in yesterday's Arrow, I'm surprised to see the mention of Queen Inc.
maybe to show that the future as shown by the newspaper is changing perhaps
i'm just glad we're moved past "the streak", since i always thought of that old song whenever they called him that
I don't know what the latest Arrow episodes have said (We only just had episode 3 down here. - I think it's so we have new episodes during the USA Thanksgiving)
In any case, it's worth saying that currently the company is "Queen Consolidated" perhaps at some point Oliver or the like will open a new company called "Queen Incorporated"
Breotan wrote: I like that they put another Grodd reference in. I don't like the "military = evil" trope they've gone with.
Well, technically it's a "one specific General and his top-secret unit that lacks oversight = evil", but even then; why does it bother you, out of interest? It's demonstrably true that militaries all over the world did and likely still do some pretty messed-up stuff, particularly when they think there's a chance of getting some new uber-weapon, is it seriously that much of a stretch to think some parts of the American military would be ruthless arseholes when presented with the opportunity to have actual, genuine "super-soldiers"?
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Hamill will be reprising his role as The Tricker on The CW’s new Flash series, but with a slight twist. See, the current Flash is quite a bit younger than Hamill is these days, so his version of The Trickster will be—according to HitFix—“an anarchist terrorist con man” who will be serving life in prison when Grant Gustin’s Flash runs into him. Hamill will reportedly show up in episode 17 of The Flash, with the plot revolving around a new “wannabe Trickster” who has begun attacking Central City with, we assume, a series of wacky pranks. In order to stop him, Flash and his cop buddy Detective West (Jesse L. Martin) have to get help from Hamill’s original Trickster.
As viewers know, Flash’s dad—who is played by John Wesley Shipp, the Scarlet Speedster in that same ‘90s show—is serving life in prison for murdering The Flash’s mom, which pretty much guarantees there will be some kind of fan-service-y scenes between him and Hamill. You know, just in case anyone had a doubt that something with Mark Hamill in it would be devoid of fan-service.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Breotan wrote: I like that they put another Grodd reference in. I don't like the "military = evil" trope they've gone with.
Well, technically it's a "one specific General and his top-secret unit that lacks oversight = evil", but even then; why does it bother you, out of interest? It's demonstrably true that militaries all over the world did and likely still do some pretty messed-up stuff, particularly when they think there's a chance of getting some new uber-weapon, is it seriously that much of a stretch to think some parts of the American military would be ruthless arseholes when presented with the opportunity to have actual, genuine "super-soldiers"?
I served ten years in the Marine Corps. A few feth-ups aside the men and women I served with are among the most honorary, patriotic, and professional people I have even known. The parts of your comments which I colored in are bad fanfic at best, insulting as feth at worst. I'm leaning toward the latter.
Just so you have a clue, the military doesn't develop weapons, civilian contractors do. The military puts out a requirement for some item of weapon/vehicle/armor and companies interested in the contract begin working up prototypes. The most promising prototype at the lowest price gets the contract and development of production models begins. The military only gets stuff when it is ready for field testing.
Even if there were some sort of super soldier feth, no military would touch it until it is proven to work reliably and reproducibly. Even then, the top brass would be scared fethless about what could happen once the "enhanced" soldiers leave military service and rejoin the civilian population.
