Several thousand people, some dressed as animal characters, were evacuated from a Hyatt hotel in suburban Rosemont when an “intentional” chlorine gas incident at the hotel, which was hosting the Midwest FurFest convention, sent 19 people to hospitals early Sunday.
The incident happened around 12:40 a.m. at the Hyatt, at 9300 West Bryn Mawr Avenue in Rosemont, according to a statement from the Rosemont Public Safety Department. First responders were called to investigate a noxious odor that was spreading across the ninth floor of the hotel, where a high level of chlorine gas was discovered in the air, the statement said.
Nineteen people were transported to nearby hospitals after complaining of nausea, dizziness and other medical problems, according to the statement. All people inside the building were temporarily evacuated and sheltered at nearby facilities, including the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center.
Disrupted was an annual weekendlong convention called Midwest FurFest, which celebrates art, literature and performance based around anthropomorphic animals, draws thousands of people every year, according to the Midwest FurFest website.
Hazardous materials technicians found the source of the chlorine gas, what appeared to be powdered chlorine, in a stairwell at the ninth floor, according to a statement from police.
Technicians decontaminated the area and after conducting several tests deemed the area safe within about two hours. People were allowed back into the building about 4:20 a.m., according to a statement from FurFest. Some conventiongoers, some of whom were dressed up as animal characters, stood outside of the building. Hundreds more escaped the chilly weather at other buildings.
"At 1:10 AM the entire hotel was evacuated, first across Bryn Mawr Ave. in front of the Hyatt as per Rosemont Fire Department’s standard procedures, then when it became apparent that the wait would take longer, the Stephens Convention Center was opened to provide warmth and shelter to our guests," according to the FurFest statement.
Thomas Zell, 27, of Arlington Heights, said he was outside with a group of people near the hotel entrance when he saw people being evacuated. Zell said he has been attending FurFest and other conventions in the Hyatt hotel for several years.
“A lot of people thought this was just someone pulling the fire alarm,” Zell said, adding that it is not uncommon for someone to trigger the alarm at such events. “But it was serious this time,” Zell said.
Zell and others said many conventiongoers were dancing and partying in groups in different parts of the hotel when the incident happened.
Iowa residents Morgan Smejkal and Chris Delaney said they did not hear the alarms in the part of the building they were in and found out they needed to evacuate through hotel staff and after receiving texts from their friends.
“It was shocking,” said Smejkal while standing outside the hotel dressed in a red panda animal suit.
The couple said they smelled chlorine as they walked out the building.
“It was like when you walk into a pool. It was pungent,” said Delaney.
The manner by which the substance, which was consistent with powdered chlorine, was released “suggests an intentional act,” according the statement from Rosemont police, who are investigating the incident as a criminal matter.
FurFest organizers said in the statement that neither they nor the hotel would offer refunds because the incident was “an unforeseen criminal act.”
Still, organizers said in the statement late Sunday morning that the FurFest would go on.
“As we wake up today we want to continue to provide the best possible convention that we can, despite the trying circumstances,” according to the statement. “We ask you to continue to be patient, and remember that the volunteers who make Midwest FurFest happen intend to give 110% to make sure that the fun, friendship, and good times of Midwest FurFest 2014 overshadow last night’s unfortunate incident.”
Someone wanted those furries dead! Now keep it clean peeps!
There's a joke about euthanizing stray animals here...
Anyway, this is a seriously bad thing. Now the real question is if it was targeted at Furries or if it was simply targeting a large gathering(who happened to be furries)
Anyway, this is a seriously bad thing. Now the real question is if it was targeted at Furries or if it was simply targeting a large gathering(who happened to be furries)
It is still considered an act of terror according to the FBI playbook.
Certainly. Its just a question of level of threat.
If the terrorist was just targeting Furries, the danger is a little less as he's more predictable. If it was a broader target, then its a little more dangerous(little being relative)
If the terrorist was just targeting Furries, the danger is a little less as he's more predictable. If it was a broader target, then its a little more dangerous(little being relative)
True, I was actually expecting people to make puns by now. OTT you have failed me.
But yeah it is horrible thing to happen to a group of people. Even if they happen to be furries :/
Anyway, this is a seriously bad thing. Now the real question is if it was targeted at Furries or if it was simply targeting a large gathering(who happened to be furries)
Could even be a disgruntled employee with the target being the hotel and it having nothing to do with the convention.
Unfortunately, that might have defeated the purpose.
I think we all know that that's not the case.
I've taken part in my own fair share of furry-bashing (although never actually directed at anyone), but this thing just kinda perplexes me really. Like, why now? I haven't given a about furries for years now, especially since MLP became a constant thing on the Internet. Like, 5 years ago this guy might have actually gotten some support, but now? He's an idiot, whoever it was (assuming that it was intentional of course).
Also, furries with a persecution complex who like to invoke Godwin's law are going to have a new anecdote. Thanks a lot.
Medium of Death wrote: It's a pretty creepy, freaky hobby so it's undoubtedly attracts some nutjobs.
It's just one of those things that I just can't comprehend the appeal, like male MLP fans.
It actually repulses me.
First against the wall...
Actually, I feel more weirded out by grown men who like MLP than furries. Does this count as cleaning out the gene pool? Or is it more pest control related?
I had a friend who was there as well (hey, it;s his business and I'm too old to give a crap about what someone does for their fun) and he was actually extremely close to where the gas was released. Close enough that he got a chestful of the stuff and had some respiratory irritation, and a person with him wound up in the hospital AFAIK. Pretty scary stuff, regardless of who it happened to.
That said, I know enough people in that community that I doubt it was some kind of organized attack on furries. My guess is that it was some kind of tantrum (can't think of a better term) or personal dispute that ballooned out of control.
you're kidding right?
you don't realize that people are joking?
nice work, bro. nice work.
actually, no, becuse of these peoples' strange habits, we want them dead. that's totally what's going on, man.
Also Medium of Death wrote:Not really that bothered? Yes.
Please choose one.
the shrouded lord wrote:you're kidding right?
you don't realize that people are joking?
nice work, bro. nice work.
actually, no, becuse of these peoples' strange habits, we want them dead. that's totally what's going on, man.
My bad, you were only jokingly advocating death based on dislike for a general group! That's way better! I mean, comments like this:
master of ordinance wrote:The fact that some survived is disappointing. A true exterminator would have been waiting outside with a flamethrower.
Are totally ambiguous, and I shouldn't have exaggerated by stating that people were advocating death. Exaggeration is only for the people making the death threats!
curran12 wrote: I had a friend who was there as well (hey, it;s his business and I'm too old to give a crap about what someone does for their fun) and he was actually extremely close to where the gas was released. Close enough that he got a chestful of the stuff and had some respiratory irritation, and a person with him wound up in the hospital AFAIK. Pretty scary stuff, regardless of who it happened to.
That said, I know enough people in that community that I doubt it was some kind of organized attack on furries. My guess is that it was some kind of tantrum (can't think of a better term) or personal dispute that ballooned out of control.
Well hopefully any injuries are temporary. Thats uncool and should be prosecuted as terrorism AND attempted murder.
oh nah man, You are totally right. all of us just, we just are obsessed with how good death is, ya know? it's just, such a good thing. /if you can't tell this post is sarcasm, you are not very smart.
None that I or any of my news have pointed out. I imagine though that a large hotel like that has pretty good surveillance. I'm mostly interested to see (once this all pans out) if it was another furry who did it, that's where my money is going.
Frazzled wrote:Other than poking a little fun I don't think anyone is doing that actually.
No, but imagine if it had been something like GenCon or AdeptiCon that had been attacked. What people are currently saying is "poking a little fun" wouldn't be tolerated. It's only the fact that the targeted group is considered to be some sort of bogeyman that means that it's suddenly okay.
Medium of Death wrote:Hyperbole mate.You're one of those people that just looks to be offended aren't you?
Why is this automatically the conclusion that's reached? "This person doesn't like something I consider to be harmless, they must just like being offended".
Just because you were exaggerating doesn't suddenly mean that it wasn't a gakky thing to say.
"It's okay, I didn't actually mean it when I said that all black people should be shot on sight, I was exaggerating!"
the shrouded lord wrote:oh nah man, You are totally right. all of us just, we just are obsessed with how good death is, ya know? it's just, such a good thing. /if you can't tell this post is sarcasm, you are not very smart.
A) At no point did I say that people were obsessed with death, I said that they were being donkey-caves. There's a difference.
B) Saying that someone not understanding sarcasm over a text based medium means they are stupid is "not very smart".
C) Your posts weren't that bad; they were actually kind of humourous. Yours weren't the ones I was talking about. Some of the other posts gave no indication whatsoever of being joking, and based on the general vitriol directed at Furrys/Bronies/Things considered to be weird, thinking that people might be serious isn't an illogical leap.
Grey Templar wrote: Chlorine is pretty dangerous so it was definitely intended to cause harm.
My guess is the person wanted a body count, but didn't know how to properly disperse it in enough quantity to do that.
Oh absolutely. Don't wanna downplay how dangerous chlorine is, but dispersing it that way, and the choice of using chlorine instead of many other ways to off people to me seems that this was not a particularly thought out or highly detailed plan.
Regardless of the fact that its furrys, it was still a domestic terrorist attack at a fething con. The same hotel that ACEN is held at.
Imagine this was at Adepticon? or Gen Con?
'Lol just some gamers, they were probably sexist pigs.' 'so the world lost a few virgins.'
Exactly. This entire thread consists of grown adults that spend hundreds of dollars on wargames advocating the death of people for being "weird".
The attack was terrible, and the people that are commenting that the attacker didn't do enough should be ashamed of themselves.
Comparing model building and game playing to a sexual fetish that involves dressing up as a cartoon anthropomorphic animal. Top quality post.
Advocating death? No.
Not really that bothered? Yes.
Furry is not inherently a sexual fetish, it's more just a roleplay thing. Some people take it to that level sure, but it's by no means the default. I mean otherwise there is an aweful lot of Warhammer porn out there and people with nude and sexually explicit models in their collection that it would be pretty easy for outsiders to tag that whole thing as a sexual fetish too.
Grey Templar wrote: Chlorine is pretty dangerous so it was definitely intended to cause harm.
My guess is the person wanted a body count, but didn't know how to properly disperse it in enough quantity to do that.
Oh absolutely. Don't wanna downplay how dangerous chlorine is, but dispersing it that way, and the choice of using chlorine instead of many other ways to off people to me seems that this was not a particularly thought out or highly detailed plan.
Not well thought out anyway. But the choice of chlorine does suggest a goal of killing people without getting caught.
Probably just looked up that chlorine is deadly and didn't do research into how much would be needed.
The friend of mine who was there recently posted about his experience on another board, I'll post it here, but edit out names for the sake of privacy;
Morning guys. Who would've thought that the first furry con I went to would be one that made national news? :v That'll be a memorable event.
I was actually very close to where it happened to. Room 976 was a two level deluxe suit and a guy named (name) was holding a room party there. I had an in to the party via fellow Cincinnatian (name) who was kind enough to let me crash it. It was what you'd expect from an artist's party. People at the big table drawing stuff with alcohol being passed around. I went upstairs to the 10th floor and hung out with (name), his wife (name), and (name)' girlfriend where we talked, they drew stuff, and we all laughed at youtube videos.
Getting close to 1 AM I was getting really tired. I'd been running on low sleep for many days, but was having a good time and didnt want to leave. (Name) was getting ready to get a game of Munchkin going when one of us commented on the smell of bleach. We at first thought someone was cleaning but the bathroom was right there and there wasn't anyone in it. (Name) went out to see what the issue was and thats when we'd heard that someone had spilled Chlorine. "Oh. Okay. Thats kind of a stupid prank." Someone down stairs opened the sliding door. A few minutes later (Name) shouted that we all needed to be getting out, that con security was telling for an evacuation. I get up and leave through the 10th floor exit. The smell there wasn't too bad, but as I rounded a corner to get to a walkway to the elevator inhaled by far the STRONGEST concentrate chlorine I'd ever smelled. Bleach is a routine part of my home cleaning process and that was nothing compared to what was smelled up there. I reeled and immediately exhaled, putting my coat lining up to shield my nose and went toward the elevator. A con security man up on the 10th floor was trying to direct us all to the elevators but some people over on the walkway were shouting out contrary instructions. I spent what felt like a long time confused and unsure what to do until the security guy did me the courtesy of yelling at the people on the walkway to shut up. That done I went to the elevator. With a bunch of people evacuating and this being an emergency the elevators weren't in a rush to come up and get us. After waiting for a few minutes I went down the opposite walkway and took a stairwell down to ground floor.
Down there things seemed almost normal. People walking around in their fursuits and of course a small group of people doing their best to play tunes on the hotel's grand piano. I took a seat near the piano, noticing what I felt was a minor chest discomfort. I dont know where any of the other party goers went as we were separated on the 10th floor. By the time I got there emergency crews were already on the scene and five minutes later the order was given to evacuate the entire building. I wasn't staying at the Hyatt so I walked back to my hotel at the Crowne Plaza. Getting outside and into the night air felt like it helped my chest a little but when I got back I took a bath. I didn't bother talking to EMTs as my symptoms felt minor and if they got worse I could always take advantage of the care opportunity. They didn't. By the next morning the chest pains were gone and all I'm dealing with now are some issues with congestion that I had before the con. So I guess I got pretty lucky, and I feel for the people who weren't so fortunate. (Name) I believe ran down the stairwell where the spill took place. She got it much worse but didn't have to be hospitalized immediately. As far as I know everyone else in the party made it out with no issues.
Medium of Death wrote: It's a pretty creepy, freaky hobby so it's undoubtedly attracts some nutjobs.
It's just one of those things that I just can't comprehend the appeal, like male MLP fans.
It actually repulses me.
First against the wall...
Actually, I feel more weirded out by grown men who like MLP than furries. Does this count as cleaning out the gene pool? Or is it more pest control related?
Why? I am not interested in MLP, but I am really found of another children show (or is it for children?) called Kaeloo. For my defense Kaeloo has more chainsaw and bazooka that your average Warhammer 40k army .
Medium of Death wrote: Comparing model building and game playing to a sexual fetish that involves dressing up as a cartoon anthropomorphic animal.
Yes. I am sorry, is one supposed to be somehow worst than the other? By which strange moral compass?
Of all place, this is certainly one in which scorn for furries is certainly the most hypocritical.
the shrouded lord wrote: to be fair to goliath, I don't really know much about the discrimination that furries might suffer so I'll give him that.
I get that, which is why I tried to calm myself down a bit. I'm not even a furry, it just annoys me that something like this happens and almost everyone's first instinct is to start making pest control jokes.
The only people in the thread who weren't making jokes about it in some way seemed to be people that knew attendees, and so had a human face to connect with, whereas everyone else seemed to dehumanise them to "oh, they're just furries", so it was something to laugh about.
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Sienisoturi wrote: I find it odd that so many people on dakka know the victims of the attack. Why is this?
Because there were "several thousand people" in attendance, and they're both fairly nerdy hobbies.
Goliath wrote: The only people in the thread who weren't making jokes about it in some way seemed to be people that knew attendees, and so had a human face to connect with, whereas everyone else seemed to dehumanise them to "oh, they're just furries", so it was something to laugh about.
the shrouded lord wrote: to be fair to goliath, I don't really know much about the discrimination that furries might suffer so I'll give him that.
I get that, which is why I tried to calm myself down a bit. I'm not even a furry, it just annoys me that something like this happens and almost everyone's first instinct is to start making pest control jokes.
The only people in the thread who weren't making jokes about it in some way seemed to be people that knew attendees, and so had a human face to connect with, whereas everyone else seemed to dehumanise them to "oh, they're just furries", so it was something to laugh about.
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Sienisoturi wrote: I find it odd that so many people on dakka know the victims of the attack. Why is this?
Because there were "several thousand people" in attendance, and they're both fairly nerdy hobbies.
the shrouded lord wrote: to be fair to goliath, I don't really know much about the discrimination that furries might suffer so I'll give him that.
I get that, which is why I tried to calm myself down a bit. I'm not even a furry, it just annoys me that something like this happens and almost everyone's first instinct is to start making pest control jokes.
I wouldn't read too much into it. They were fairly minor pest control jokes. You clearly haven't yet seen Dakka really lay into a group.
Besides, its possible to both mock the Furries and realize how horrible of thing this was.
The strange part is no matter how much they have been in the receiving end, some people will gladly take the giving end whenever possible. All while maintaining a culture of victimization, for some of them. As gamers, they have it so bad. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
the shrouded lord wrote: to be fair to goliath, I don't really know much about the discrimination that furries might suffer so I'll give him that.
I get that, which is why I tried to calm myself down a bit. I'm not even a furry, it just annoys me that something like this happens and almost everyone's first instinct is to start making pest control jokes.
The only people in the thread who weren't making jokes about it in some way seemed to be people that knew attendees, and so had a human face to connect with, whereas everyone else seemed to dehumanise them to "oh, they're just furries", so it was something to laugh about.
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Sienisoturi wrote: I find it odd that so many people on dakka know the victims of the attack. Why is this?
Because there were "several thousand people" in attendance, and they're both fairly nerdy hobbies.
yeah ok, I apologise for my high-horsing.
It's cool man, it's rare for someone on the internet to apologise for anything, so thanks for that
Grey Templar wrote: I'd hope so. This definitely qualifies as a terrorist attack.
Hopefully the people suspected of carrying it out are abducted from their homes and spend the next 10 years in a prison camp, periodically being tortured. You know, regardless of whether they were actually guilty of doing anything
in all seriousness, its attempted mass murder, and quite likely a hate crime, not sure if it qualifies as terrorist,
but
Hopefully they find the sicko who did it.
Medium of Death wrote: Comparing model building and game playing to a sexual fetish that involves dressing up as a cartoon anthropomorphic animal.
Yes. I am sorry, is one supposed to be somehow worst than the other? By which strange moral compass?
Of all place, this is certainly one in which scorn for furries is certainly the most hypocritical.
If you can't understand the difference between the sexualisation of the furry pass time and that of wargaming then I don't know what to say. Parading your bizarre sexual deviance as a hobby is something that a lot of people just find odd and disgusting.
Sienisoturi wrote: I find it odd that so many people on dakka know the victims of the attack. Why is this?
We post on a thread about miniature war figures in a specific subthread that talks about real things happening and so on from the comfort of our cushy chairs. Furries spend much of their time on the internet. In short we have no life
Medium of Death wrote: It's a pretty creepy, freaky hobby so it's undoubtedly attracts some nutjobs.
It's just one of those things that I just can't comprehend the appeal, like male MLP fans.
It actually repulses me.
First against the wall...
Actually, I feel more weirded out by grown men who like MLP than furries. Does this count as cleaning out the gene pool? Or is it more pest control related?
Why? I am not interested in MLP, but I am really found of another children show (or is it for children?) called Kaeloo. For my defense Kaeloo has more chainsaw and bazooka that your average Warhammer 40k army .
Medium of Death wrote: Comparing model building and game playing to a sexual fetish that involves dressing up as a cartoon anthropomorphic animal.
Yes. I am sorry, is one supposed to be somehow worst than the other? By which strange moral compass?
Of all place, this is certainly one in which scorn for furries is certainly the most hypocritical.
No, not really. This place isn't strange at all.
Spoiler:
What gets strange is whenever bronies start complaining about furries or vice versa. I love it whenever that happens
Medium of Death wrote: If you can't understand the difference between the sexualisation of the furry pass time and that of wargaming then I don't know what to say.
Oh, I can totally understand the difference! One is about painting and then playing with little toy soldiers, and the other is about some sexual fetish for some people, and some not sexual fetish for other.
What I fail to see is how one is supposedly better than the other.
Medium of Death wrote: Parading your bizarre sexual deviance as a hobby is something that a lot of people just find odd and disgusting.
Judgmental much? Nobody is asking you to plat any part in it.
If I was to scorn anyone more kinky than I am, I would have to scorn a whole lot of people. I do not, however. Whatever you do where everyone involved has given full consent is perfectly fine to.
Medium of Death wrote: If you can't understand the difference between the sexualisation of the furry pass time and that of wargaming then I don't know what to say.
Oh, I can totally understand the difference! One is about painting and then playing with little toy soldiers, and the other is about some sexual fetish for some people, and some not sexual fetish for other.
What I fail to see is how one is supposedly better than the other.
Medium of Death wrote: Parading your bizarre sexual deviance as a hobby is something that a lot of people just find odd and disgusting.
Judgmental much? Nobody is asking you to plat any part in it.
If I was to scorn anyone more kinky than I am, I would have to scorn a whole lot of people. I do not, however. Whatever you do where everyone involved has given full consent is perfectly fine to.
Also for fun, no offense Medium of Death but if Furry is a bizarre fetish to you I must warn you to be wary in the internet. Furry's on the ice-burgh and not even under the waters (there's actually a fetish for amputees)
There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying children's cartoons or anthropomorphic animals. I enjoyed Fosters Home, the first project that the MLP creator worked on if i'm not mistaken, when it aired, but I didn't own the merchandise and I don't rewatch it. Similarly I watched Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers as a young child and yet I don't find myself wanting to feth the female anthro-mouse. Furries/Bronies take it to the extreme and it unsettles people.
Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
Parading your bizarre sexual deviance as a hobby is something that a lot of people just find odd and disgusting
er...what?????
Wait whats the difference between bronies and furries?
Ofr do I want to know?
No clue why we are talking about differences why not! They are different and not. From a technical standpoint both fit into the same general concept of anthropomorphism of animals (although the degrees vary between the two) in the two of them. That being said, furries are more into semi-human animals whilst ponies are just kinda an odd species that's kinda a blend of pony with flairs of dog, animated cartoon physics, and human traits. Kinda more animalistic in looks but not in character or personality. As per fanbase, both are guilty of having a small and vocal group that are obnoxious, both manage their cons terribly, both get bashed on, and both have internal wars. Oh, and both have large sections of the internet we must not speak of and there's overlap of fans frequently due to anthromporpohologyajkkdlfjalaka.
Medium of Death wrote: There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying children's cartoons or anthropomorphic animals. I enjoyed Fosters Home, the first project that the MLP creator worked on if i'm not mistaken, when it aired, but I didn't own the merchandise and I don't rewatch it. Similarly I watched Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers as a young child and yet I don't find myself wanting to feth the female anthro-mouse. Furries/Bronies take it to the extreme and it unsettles people.
Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
Not all bronies take images of ponies and seualize them. Just like not all 40k players take their models and sexualize them you are confusing the majority who just watch a show and maybe own a collectable fiqure for vocal minority.
Seriously, think outside the box.
And how are furries taking images made for kids and sexualising them?
Parading your bizarre sexual deviance as a hobby is something that a lot of people just find odd and disgusting
er...what?????
Wait whats the difference between bronies and furries?
Ofr do I want to know?
Furries are a sexual fetish that some people enjoy
Bronies like a well made and decent(Although latter seasons may be going down in quality) TV show made with the intention of the creator that both adults and kids can enjoy it
Y'know, Im not even a brony even more, why am I defending them.
Medium of Death wrote: There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying children's cartoons or anthropomorphic animals. I enjoyed Fosters Home, the first project that the MLP creator worked on if i'm not mistaken, when it aired, but I didn't own the merchandise and I don't rewatch it. Similarly I watched Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers as a young child and yet I don't find myself wanting to feth the female anthro-mouse. Furries/Bronies take it to the extreme and it unsettles people.
Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
Nope, Craig made Foster's Home. She worked on both it and Power Puff Girls though.
That aside, I do have a criticism of what you say at the end. So what if somebody sexualizes something for kids? Comics made for teenagers also get grittified and "grown up" and there are other interests out there. You think that bronies and furries are alone in making things unpleasant? Pokemon's got a massive amount of porn of it, Touhou has a lot of porn, basically everything has porn of it somewhere out in the internet. 40k and Fallout? I shudder to admit but yeah there's been porn (I blame 4chan for finding it). People like to do dirty things and they do it. Besides, how is something like that harming you or anybody else for that matter? B-but muh childre- don't do that. It's the internet, we are mean and petty and considering all the other fetishes out there and other things is that something that really matters? That and a large number don't touch porn and the ones that do tend to keep it to themself. Now I'm going to go condemn 40k because somebody made their models in 40k suggestive and I am upset about this madness and heresy for they must represent everyone in the world.
Also from what I've gathered people dislike the two groups more because of how a small group are obnoxious about what they like.
@hotsauce I think he's mentioning how people sexualize renamon, krystal, and whoever else they like to do probably some disney animal.
That is another interesting thing, Why is it Ok for an adult to look at a thing made for kids(Superman, Transformers and so forth) and get ecited? but an adult cant like a girls cartoon?
This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
Frazzled, with how old you are, you never heard of a furry?
And we all know you dress up as a weiner dog from time to time
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
That's true though. Sorry for getting off tangent though. Just kinda have a qualm with people flipping out about stuff like this. Somebody does it, it happens, whatever move on.
Some of the jokes here were amazing, some kinda fell flat. What happened was wrong but I find it somewhat silly how a few posters freaked out about people joking around about something bad that happened. It kinda felt like nobody actually condoned the action but were more going along with the joking attitude that's always fun. Plus it makes it easy to fill out this dakka bingo.
Medium of Death wrote: Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
Are they showing the pictures to children, that could therefore be harmed? Because else, I do not see any problem. Seems very much like a victim-less crime to me.
Medium of Death wrote: There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying children's cartoons or anthropomorphic animals. I enjoyed Fosters Home, the first project that the MLP creator worked on if i'm not mistaken, when it aired, but I didn't own the merchandise and I don't rewatch it. Similarly I watched Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers as a young child and yet I don't find myself wanting to feth the female anthro-mouse. Furries/Bronies take it to the extreme and it unsettles people.
Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
Star Wars fans dress up as wookies and feth whilst doing so. As you have an image from Star Wars as your profile you must obviously be some sort of sexual pervert.
Generalisations based on a small minority are fun!
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
Frazzled, with how old you are, you never heard of a furry? And we all know you dress up as a weiner dog from time to time
How old am I? Old enough to have been your grandmother's sweetheart you young hooligan. And I don't dress up as a wiener dog. I just wear them. They like to be carried and fed treats. Cuts out the effort of walking. *
*True tale. When TBone was failing, the Wife and I sometimes just carried TBone while we walked the other dogs. We'd just switch off when one of us got tired carrying him. He loved that even though he was nearly deaf and blind at that point.
Medium of Death wrote: Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
Are they showing the pictures to children, that could therefore be harmed? Because else, I do not see any problem. Seems very much like a victim-less crime to me.
Didn't you know that the furries kidnap children and bring them to their cons where they force them to watch animated videos about anthros before forcing them to look at furry porn and then brainwash them into a cataconic state? Then on their 14th birthday it unlocks and the moment they see anything furry related they become a raving Furry that dresses up as an animal and spends all their free time jacking off to furry porn of childhood things. It is obviously worse than Hitler. See this man was saving us from the conversion of innocent children! Oh and bronies are the same)
(I think that's 3 possible bingo points for all you out there with popcorn!)
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
Frazzled, with how old you are, you never heard of a furry?
And we all know you dress up as a weiner dog from time to time
*True tale. When TBone was failing, the Wife and I sometimes just carried TBone while we walked the other dogs. We'd just switch off when one of us got tired carrying him. He loved that even though he was nearly deaf and blind at that point.
Medium of Death wrote: There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying children's cartoons or anthropomorphic animals. I enjoyed Fosters Home, the first project that the MLP creator worked on if i'm not mistaken, when it aired, but I didn't own the merchandise and I don't rewatch it. Similarly I watched Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers as a young child and yet I don't find myself wanting to feth the female anthro-mouse. Furries/Bronies take it to the extreme and it unsettles people.
Furries/Bronies take images that were designed for children and then sexualise them. If you can't see that as being repugnant then you are truly lost.
You've never seen 40K Porn? Really? And you're on the internet?
*True tale. When TBone was failing, the Wife and I sometimes just carried TBone while we walked the other dogs. We'd just switch off when one of us got tired carrying him. He loved that even though he was nearly deaf and blind at that point.
Sad now :(
Why? He was happy. We were happy.
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You've never seen 40K Porn? Really? And you're on the internet?
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
That's really all it is though. It's like an anime convention where people like to dress up in animal costumes.
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
That's really all it is though. It's like an anime convention where people like to dress up in animal costumes.
Which is cool, unless the convention is some place hot. Wearing fur in the summer is a crime against humanity.
Chlorine gas must be some pretty noxious stuff if it can drive away people who are normally immune to the combined smells of astroglide, sweaty overweight guys in fur suits, and unwashed convention stank.
stanman wrote: Chlorine gas must be some pretty noxious stuff if it can drive away people who are normally immune to the combined smells of astroglide, sweaty overweight guys in fur suits, and unwashed convention stank.
Ewwww.. i can use some brain bleach now please thanks.
Frazzled wrote: This whole topic now has me so confused. I was good when I thought it was like anime conventions but with people who like to dress up in animal costumes. Now I'm just scared. Someone hold me!
Not of that matters to the attack that occurred of course.
That's really all it is though. It's like an anime convention where people like to dress up in animal costumes.
Which is cool, unless the convention is some place hot. Wearing fur in the summer is a crime against humanity.
It was -10 Degrees in Chicago last time i checked.
Star Wars fans dress up as wookies and feth whilst doing so. As you have an image from Star Wars as your profile you must obviously be some sort of sexual pervert.
Generalisations based on a small minority are fun!
Minority?
I thought almost everyone had a princess leia costume in the closet.... do you not?
Star Wars fans dress up as wookies and feth whilst doing so. As you have an image from Star Wars as your profile you must obviously be some sort of sexual pervert.
Generalisations based on a small minority are fun!
Minority?
I thought almost everyone had a princess leia costume in the closet.... do you not?
Awwww yeah.
Spoiler:
Though I have to admit, the carbonite involved makes any roleplaying very anticlimactic.
Star Wars fans dress up as wookies and feth whilst doing so. As you have an image from Star Wars as your profile you must obviously be some sort of sexual pervert.
Generalisations based on a small minority are fun!
Minority?
I thought almost everyone had a princess leia costume in the closet.... do you not?
Well yeah, which is why the minority dresses as wookies Chewbacca always gets picked last :(
I think we need to cull some of the inappropriate comments regarding this horrible tragedy. Making fun of furries is a behaviour that should be neutered before it can multiply. I only hope that this thread isn't put down because of this.
Furries are fun to make fun of and so on but ultimately this is an act of domestic terrorism and someone should be going to a federal prison for a long time.
`You know, wonderfully, I think this thread is in total agreement about that. Gassing people is wrong, regardless of what race, religion, or species they are or believe themselves to be.
I'm not sure I would throw this into the terrorism grouping. Generally domestic terrorists are out to make a statement of some type and targets and methods of attack are chosen to help make that statement, be it blowing up a federal building, an abortion clinic, shooting up a building full of deploying troops or a bunch of CIA analysts on their way to work, blowing up mass transit systems or gas guzzling SUVs.
This, especially if done by one of the con attendees into that lifestyle, seems more of a lashing out due to being butt hurt over something, kind of a tantrum. It just doesn't seem like a terrorist act to me.
A serious act? Yep. One for which the perp(s) should do some real time? Heck yes. But domestic terrorism? I don't see it that way.
Torga_DW wrote: I think we need to cull some of the inappropriate comments regarding this horrible tragedy. Making fun of furries is a behaviour that should be neutered before it can multiply. I only hope that this thread isn't put down because of this.
CptJake wrote: I'm not sure I would throw this into the terrorism grouping. Generally domestic terrorists are out to make a statement of some type and targets and methods of attack are chosen to help make that statement, be it blowing up a federal building, an abortion clinic, shooting up a building full of deploying troops or a bunch of CIA analysts on their way to work, blowing up mass transit systems or gas guzzling SUVs.
This, especially if done by one of the con attendees into that lifestyle, seems more of a lashing out due to being butt hurt over something, kind of a tantrum. It just doesn't seem like a terrorist act to me.
A serious act? Yep. One for which the perp(s) should do some real time? Heck yes. But domestic terrorism? I don't see it that way.
Nope, its definitely Terrorism.
The point of an act of terror is to make a point, but that point doesn't always mean the target has to be special. A large group of people is all that is necessary. Just look at the Boston Marathon. The target wasn't the Marathon itself, it was the large group of people. The Tsarneav's weren't making a statement about marathons, they were trying to hurt and kill a lot of people.
But the Tsarneavs were trying to make a statement (Kill the Infidels of the Great Satan or whatever). We don't what the intent of this was. Again, if it was a con attendee lashing out for some perceived slight or something, I just don't see this as meeting the definition of 'domestic terrorism:
Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
- Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping;
Grey Templar wrote: The use of gas is the game changer here. That's the use of a WMD.
I suspect throwing a glass jar of Clorox isn't going to meet the WMD definition, and I suspect when it is all said and done, that is about what happened. And regardless, intent is a KEY element if any prosecutor wants to run with domestic terrorism charges. A WMD charge is likely going to be a stretch, but even if they go with it, that does not automatically get a domestic terror charge.
Grey Templar wrote: The use of gas is the game changer here. That's the use of a WMD.
I suspect throwing a glass jar of Clorox isn't going to meet the WMD definition, and I suspect when it is all said and done, that is about what happened. And regardless, intent is a KEY element if any prosecutor wants to run with domestic terrorism charges. A WMD charge is likely going to be a stretch, but even if they go with it, that does not automatically get a domestic terror charge.
it seems like a silly mistake. though is powdered chlorine able to become gassius enough to hospitalize people?
If I fill a jar full of powdered chlorine intended for pool use and throw it in a poorly ventilated stairwell, the fumes will annoy folks, some considerably. I have two types at the house, one for disinfecting/cleaning the home brewing kit, one for the daughters pool. The pool stuff is a bit stronger, and if you inhale it deeply it doesn't feel too good. I suspect the folks taken to the hospital (seems to be 19) were not significantly injured in any lasting way. Anyone actually treated probably had other health issues which exacerbated the effects of the chlorine. First responders are gonna ask about symptoms, and if you reply in the positive are gonna want to give you an ambulance ride.
It was in a glass jar? i must of missed that some where.
I was kinda getting at that maybe a janitor in the stairwell accidentally bumped over a box o pool cleaner or something from his cart or some flavor of that.
Unless you actually use a chemical to release the Chlorine, just tossing powdered Chlorine in a stairwell is only going to be dangerous to people who already have respiratory problems.
The fact so many people were injured suggests it was treated to release the gas.
Desubot wrote: It was in a glass jar? i must of missed that some where.
I was kinda getting at that maybe a janitor in the stairwell accidentally bumped over a box o pool cleaner or something from his cart or some flavor of that.
They didn't say it was in a jar, they said it was thought it may be intentional. You could be right and it could have been a spill.
Desubot wrote: It was in a glass jar? i must of missed that some where.
I was kinda getting at that maybe a janitor in the stairwell accidentally bumped over a box o pool cleaner or something from his cart or some flavor of that.
That wouldn't have done anything beyond annoy people or cause someone with Asthma to have an episode. It wouldn't send healthy people to the hospital.
Desubot wrote: It was in a glass jar? i must of missed that some where.
I was kinda getting at that maybe a janitor in the stairwell accidentally bumped over a box o pool cleaner or something from his cart or some flavor of that.
That wouldn't have done anything beyond annoy people or cause someone with Asthma to have an episode. It wouldn't send healthy people to the hospital.
ok then maybe i missed something massive. i though cptjake said it appears to be pool chlorine powder.
Grey Templar wrote: Unless you actually use a chemical to release the Chlorine, just tossing powdered Chlorine in a stairwell is only going to be dangerous to people who already have respiratory problems.
The fact so many people were injured suggests it was treated to release the gas.
I don't think any 'gas' was released, all I've seen (after the initial report) just calls it fumes from powdered chlorine. I also don't think anyone was really injured, I think 19 folks were taken to the hospital because the expressed some indicator of symptoms and the EMTs play it safe, and once at the hospital they are gonna check and treat because that is how they grab insurance money. Nothing I read has anyone still in the hospital. I may be overly cynical, but no one was really hurt in this case as far as I've seen at this point.
If you treat pool Chlorine(any pool chlorine) with certain chemicals it will release Chlorine gas. Pool Chlorine also will naturally degrade over time slowly releasing the gas, thats why it smells. At that level its not deadly(except to people with respiratory problems) but if its actively released its a very dangerous poison.
If you treat pool Chlorine(any pool chlorine) with certain chemicals it will release Chlorine gas. Pool Chlorine also will naturally degrade over time slowly releasing the gas, thats why it smells. At that level its not deadly(except to people with respiratory problems) but if its actively released its a very dangerous poison.
Maybe he bumped over a bottle of bleach with it then (err ammonia. i forget which was which part.)
Edit: It was Bleach + Ammonia.... thank you peggy hill.
Also apparently you are not supposed to mix muriadic acid or something which is also a pool cleaner :/
Yes. I'll need to ask around my friends who are deeper in that community, but apparently some rumors are flying that someone has been questioned/possibly arrested. It's all very muddy rumor right now, but I'll see what I can dig up.
I'm pretty sure it's Ammonia + Bleach = WWI battlefield. I *do* know that Lysol and Chlorox will combine to make stinky, eye watering death because a friend of mine personally encountered that in a classy rural hotel he worked at one summer... one of the kitchen staff (a new guy) decided to mix the two in a bucket to clean the kitchen floors. They had to close for the day and ended up throwng the bucket out, too. Luckily no-one was injured, as the head chef saw what the guy was doing and got everyone (including the amateur chemist) out of the kitchen before the fumes had a chance to overpower anyone.
about furries for years now, especially since MLP became a constant thing on the Internet. Like, 5 years ago this guy might have actually gotten some support, but now? He's an idiot, whoever it was (assuming that it was intentional of course).
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