Alrighty. From inspiration from the Space Marine vs Starcraft Marine vs Spartan Thread. And also I just finished reading a certain story by Ray Bradbury. I actually forgot its title. But it had something to deal with Soldiers fighting each in an olympics and basically being the precursor to the Hunger Games.... Anyway...

Lets start with the setup. A Single Marine from each universe of sci-fi send their greatest Marine. But there is a trade off..... All Marines in this match up have the same equipment, and weaponry, (And they will know how to use the weaponry) except for one thing: they are allowed to carry one weapon that is not a super weapon or conventional weapon (To be determined by Vote). Striding in their new armor and equipment. Take from The Worlds of Doom, Duke nukeum, Crisis, Halo, Starcraft, Gears of War, Warhammer 40k, Star Wars, Star Trek, Old Man's War, Starship Troopers and any other universe you wish to bring up to the line up. Think Deathbattle survival of the fittest, but battle royale style.

This thread will discuss this, and we will determine together where the battle will take place. (IE Terrain, either desolate, Istavaan 3 Territory, A Moon, or in a forest)

Please list a Contestant first then we will discuss the participates and who will win the battle.

Places:
Istavaan 3
Desolate Wasteland
The Moon,
A forest,

List So Far:

Commander Shepherd armed with a Black Widow,
An Adeptus Astartes armed with a bolter,
jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff
A Spartan (Master Chief) armed with _____,
Fenix armed with lancer
Terran Marine (Either Jimmy Raynor or Tychus) armed with a gauss rifle
Doom Guy armed with the BFG
Neo from the Matrix (Without his super powers such as flying)
Jason Brody armed with a random pistol
Spock armed with a phaser
Prophet (Crisis) armed with the super bow
Duke nukeum armed with the
Boba Fett armed with blaster
Dutch (Predator) armed with Minigun
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with three-barreled machinegun.
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)
Taman Malthas armed with _______
Edward Elric armed with Alchemy
The Great Murloc Lord Bisquit armed with a Gauss Rifle
Juan Rico with a
Paul Atreides with a
Lone Wanderer with Gauss Rifle

Warhammer 40k is providing the equipment

Weaponry Suggested

Warhammer 40k


Lets rest this argument for all time!

Rules-

Do not include heroes or marines that have powers beyond comprehension.
Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.
Do not include heroes that can manipulate space and time,
Do not include heroes that have powers that can end entire planets,
Heroes can be genetically modified,
They cannot have the skill or power of a GOD.
They have to be able to die.
No True Immortal or Invincible beings.
They are by themselves

(Please do not include marines that are super heroes or have pyschic powers or powers in general, if they are genetically modified that is fine)

*For this argument I will only Update the OP and add updates. Otherwise have fun guys. Unless people ask me to get some lore and Descriptions of the universes.

I voted Doom gear... for no particular reason.


And my personal candidate to be sent in:

Boba Fett.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I voted Doom gear... for no particular reason.


And my personal candidate to be sent in:

Boba Fett.

Candidate Added.

Dutch from Predator in a jungle setting added in?

I vote for Starship Troopers (book) weapons, nukes for everyone! And in the center of the arena there is a single Culture civilian pistol.

I top that Starship Trooper


The guy and equipment from "Armor"

I will add those to the Poll options

And the Participate/Candidate has been added!

 Jihadin wrote:
I top that Starship Trooper


The guy and equipment from "Armor"

You mean that guy that hunted VAMPIRE$?
Jack Crow

I suggest candidate Sly Marbo.
Armed with a rusty can.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I top that Starship Trooper


The guy and equipment from "Armor"

You mean that guy that hunted VAMPIRE$?
Jack Crow

I suggest candidate Sly Marbo.
Armed with a rusty can.

Candidate Added

Rusty Can is not a universe though I will add something satirical soon.

Any Necron Lord. Since the participants can't just travelt through space and destroy its tomb world, it'll be literally immortal.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I top that Starship Trooper


The guy and equipment from "Armor"

You mean that guy that hunted VAMPIRE$?
Jack Crow

I suggest candidate Sly Marbo.
Armed with a rusty can.

Isn't Dutch and Sly Marbo practically the same guy?

When you say Crisis, do you mean Crysis?

Cause that'd be pretty awesome to see.

Why no Rogue Trooper and his equipment of Gunnar, Bagman and Helm?

Jack Brennan from Niven's Known Space. Armed with a Tnuctip spy gun as his special weapon. Plus of course whatever doomsday device he can build in whatever environment you put him in.

 KingCracker wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I top that Starship Trooper


The guy and equipment from "Armor"

You mean that guy that hunted VAMPIRE$?
Jack Crow

I suggest candidate Sly Marbo.
Armed with a rusty can.

Isn't Dutch and Sly Marbo practically the same guy?

They are death worlds apart

I go for Riddick and a

Briareos from the Appleseed movies.

Can't be Starship Troopers really... an MI private would wipe the floor with all his successors and come back for seconds.

What about a Cylon from Battlestar Galactica?

Clan Elemental.

Walker: texas ranger

Sly Marbo played by Chuck Norris.

 Happyjew wrote:
Sly Marbo played by Chuck Norris.

Pppffttttt

If you're going to include Crysis, use Prophet instead of Nomad. He is better at representing the series.

Also please spell it right.

Also I vote Prophet. Make a giant FFA, the book Starship Trooper nukes everyone except Prophet (who tanks the nukes). Then Prophet finishes the Trooper with any of a wide selection of ridiculous Crysis weapons, or his bare hands if he has to.

Sorry Guys I will be away for a few days. But someone can help me update it and add people to the list that would be great.

Shoudlnt this be in Survior games, or even Daka polls.

Anyway, as it has the option to choose a Marauder suit , I have to go with that.

Mobile Infantry bring it on a level the rest just can't compete with. Though 40K Imperial Space Marines in the fluff take on planets with even fewer resources than the Mobile infantry do, but thats just GW bad plot writing.

...A company of Ultramarines landed on the planet and kicked the Tyranids off, while they were eating the entire biopshere, without use of Exterminatus.
Er how?

Prophet instead of Norman

Sure Will do.

Riddick

Added to the List

Jack Brennan

Added

Why no Rogue Trooper and his equipment of Gunnar, Bagman and Helm?

Sorry I've never heard of him or that lore line.

I don't think it will be voted though. The timer will be set for friday of this week.

Necron Lord

Necrons are Immortals and do not count they are on the too powerful and too strong list of participants that can't join. Techinically it is a god like character, if they are unkillable by normal means IE a bullet and/or cannot be killed in general they are not allowed in the Ultimate SCI-FI marine battle.

Shoudlnt this be in Survior games, or even Daka polls.

I'll notify a Moderator about that. Good Point.

Anyway, as it has the option to choose a Marauder suit , I have to go with that.

Will put that down latter. But it looks like the 40k universe is winning on the POLLs. Once we get to the end of the week we will start discussing what weapons each character will have from that universe. and I will close adding new characters.

Texas Ranger

Hes In.

Clan Elemental.

Who? I'll add them but it can only be one character.

Cylon

I am fine with that.

But we can't include any super pyskers or super powered humans that go beyond comprehension IE Super HEROES. Super Humans are fine. So we can Include Captain America as he is on par with a space marine.

Briareos

Added to the list.

Don't forget guys to link to places so we are not ignorant of who these people are!

 Orlanth wrote:
Shoudlnt this be in Survior games, or even Daka polls.

Anyway, as it has the option to choose a Marauder suit , I have to go with that.

Mobile Infantry bring it on a level the rest just can't compete with. Though 40K Imperial Space Marines in the fluff take on planets with even fewer resources than the Mobile infantry do, but thats just GW bad plot writing.

...A company of Ultramarines landed on the planet and kicked the Tyranids off, while they were eating the entire biopshere, without use of Exterminatus.
Er how?

Jebus
I would love to be in the Command room just to watch Clan Galaxy Commanders bid to take the planet.

Wait wait wait, you put texas ranger in. My vote was for walker: texas ranger. There's a difference between any texas ranger and walker: texas ranger. Its like saying we'll include the doom universe marines but the marine in question won't be doom guy.

 Torga_DW wrote:
Wait wait wait, you put texas ranger in. My vote was for walker: texas ranger. There's a difference between any texas ranger and walker: texas ranger. Its like saying we'll include the doom universe marines but the marine in question won't be doom guy.

FIXED

I'll add Jack O'Niel from Stargate.

Also, you say Prophet gets the Predator bow. How much ammo? Only normal Impact arrows, or also electroshock, super-thermite explosive and airburst fragmentation?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Also, you say Prophet gets the Predator bow. How much ammo? Only normal Impact arrows, or also electroshock, super-thermite explosive and airburst fragmentation?

Only a quiver of arrows.

But he does not get his suit.

Then Prophet is screwed. Without his suit he dies instantly as it is the only thing keeping him alive.

Even if it didn't, without it he'd just be a naked guy with a bow against crazies like Space Marines and nuke-shooting Starship Troopers.

In fact, he can't even use that bow at all without the suit's strength!

 Ashiraya wrote:
Then Prophet is screwed. Without his suit he dies instantly as it is the only thing keeping him alive.

Hmmm. Then he wears the suit underneath but he cannot use it in this debate. Because he is using someone elses equipment to make it fair.

That is fair. If he is wearing something in addition to his normal Nanosuit, that just means he can't use Cloak mode and not the great agility and speed of the suit either.

 Ashiraya wrote:
That is fair. If he is wearing something in addition to his normal Nanosuit, that just means he can't use Cloak mode and not the great agility and speed of the suit either.

Well seeing as 40k is winning in the equipment department, we will decide if it is Power Armor or Assassin Armor or Carapace Armor.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Well seeing as 40k is winning in the equipment department

Debatable - can power armour tank nukes?

They certainly have an edge in firepower though, until you bring out the Starship Troopers guys.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Well seeing as 40k is winning in the equipment department

Debatable - can power armour tank nukes?

They certainly have an edge in firepower though, until you bring out the Starship Troopers guys.

That is in terms of what the characters are going to wear. Not as to who will win the match up.

Are you both crazy? We have doom guy, prophet, a starship trooper and chuck norris in the contest, and you think the 40k team are in any winning department?

Oh yeah, if you are going to give everyone the same gear then you may as well hand it to the Space Marine, because some of the other guys are really badass but they won't stand a chance against the post-human Astartes on equal ground.

Prophet and Starship Troopers rely mainly on their gear (and in the former's case, their obscene skill at using it) for performance, whereas Doomguy relies on an old gakky game to draw approval. Chuck Norris is just memes, and they won't last long.

OTOH a naked Astartes will whack you all the same.

Yeah, true. That rules out prophet, doom guy & the starship trooper then. So, chuck norris wins. Next competition?

 Torga_DW wrote:
Yeah, true. That rules out prophet, doom guy & the starship trooper then. So, chuck norris wins. Next competition?

niceme.me

 Torga_DW wrote:
Yeah, true. That rules out prophet, doom guy & the starship trooper then. So, chuck norris wins. Next competition?

Hold on there mates. It might be Carapace armor. Its basing on skills, intelligence, brawn, and ability.

Remember this is a vote. We will vote to see what the armor is, and then what weapons they use. And then we will get to the competeting group.

Remember they also get one weapon from their universe.

so.... chuck norris. This game was fun.

edit: A Chuck Norris-delivered Roundhouse Kick is the preferred method of execution in 16 states. No weapons needed.

 Torga_DW wrote:
so.... chuck norris. This game was fun.

edit: A Chuck Norris-delivered Roundhouse Kick is the preferred method of execution in 16 states. No weapons needed.

Then he faces Iko Uwais or Bruce Lee and then loses.

Chuck Norris stared evil in the face, and it backed down.

Chuck is out

 Torga_DW wrote:
Chuck Norris stared evil in the face, and it backed down.

Iko Uwais for those who don't know who he is:

WARNING EXTREMELY VIOLENT

Semi Violent


Oh no.... The violence


Even More Violent.


Even More Violent!

Shrug. Chuck Norris originally appeared in the Street Fighter 2 video game, but was removed by beta testers because every button caused him to do a roundhouse kick. When asked about this glitch, Norris replied: "That's no glitch".

Actually, I just remembered why Prophet would win. At the end of Crysis 3 he merges with the Nanosuit and becomes a transhuman being, appearing like a normal man but with all the powers of the Nanosuit (invisibility, super strength, speed, armour...)

So no fans of classic scifi here who have any idea what a Protector is capable of then?

And I don't just mean physically - they're much, much smarter thn all of the other contestants combined...

Bran Dawri wrote:
So no fans of classic scifi here who have any idea what a Protector is capable of then?

And I don't just mean physically - they're much, much smarter thn all of the other contestants combined...

What?

Actually, I just remembered why Prophet would win. At the end of Crysis 3 he merges with the Nanosuit and becomes a transhuman being, appearing like a normal man but with all the powers of the Nanosuit (invisibility, super strength, speed, armour...)

Read for gods sakes, this thread hasn't gotten there yet.

The Arbiter from the Halo cartoon collection with an Energy Sword. You know, the Arbiter that badassed his way through hundreds of Hunters, Jackals, Grunts, and Elites alongside some Wraitha with nothing but his two Energy Swords? This was also the guy who took the title "Arbiter" and turned it from a title for the Covenant version of Master Chief mixed with the fame of every 70's rock band combined into a title of shame that a disgraced warrior bares to redeem himself.
If you don't know him, then the white Elite Shipmaster from Halo 3 with an Energy Sword.
If not him, then Tartarus from Halo 2 with his epic grav gammer.
If not him, then a Ghost from Destiny with his puppet Guardian.
If not him, then a Pilot from Titanfall with a Mag Launcher.
If not him, then... Uh... Jedi Master Yoda at his prime with a Lightsaber.
If not him, then....... Uuuuummmm....hmmmm........nñ...... I got it! Darth Vader with the Death Star!
If not him then.... Um... I got nothin'.

If it's the Nanosuit 2.0, it obliterates everyone else in melee.

By Crysis 3 Prophet is an immortal cyborg who canonically cannot die (death is just a game mechanic), is far stronger and faster then any space marine or equivalent, and IIRC has a lensing field. Plus the suit literally eats that which it kills and assimilates the DNA into its own hardware.

However if they all had their usual armament, the Starship Trooper would murder everyone with tactical nuke launchers.

Well, a Spartan II can fall from orbit and, providing they are wearing their armour, survive with nothing more than a sprained wrist/ankle or at the most a broken limb where as a Space Marine is smush. So I vote the Spartan.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Well, a Spartan II can fall from orbit and, providing they are wearing their armour, survive with nothing more than a sprained wrist/ankle or at the most a broken limb where as a Space Marine is smush. So I vote the Spartan.

You do realize virtually everyone on that list can do that, riiiiight?

Not to mention that Spartan II's and Starcraft Marines are so weak they may as well not even be parties involved on this list. Same with Doomguy probably. He may be a badass, but nothing he's done is really impressive compared to the other parties, especially Prophetaz or the Marauder Suit.

Bran Dawri wrote:
So no fans of classic scifi here who have any idea what a Protector is capable of then?

And I don't just mean physically - they're much, much smarter thn all of the other contestants combined...

You mean a Pak Protector from Niven's Known Space? Fighting beasts truly, but I think the rules leave aliens out...

 Wyzilla wrote:
If it's the Nanosuit 2.0, it obliterates everyone else in melee.

By Crysis 3 Prophet is an immortal cyborg who canonically cannot die (death is just a game mechanic), is far stronger and faster then any space marine or equivalent, and IIRC has a lensing field. Plus the suit literally eats that which it kills and assimilates the DNA into its own hardware.

However if they all had their usual armament, the Starship Trooper would murder everyone with tactical nuke launchers.

Idk, the nanosuit 1 can tank a nuke and the nanosuit 2 is even tougher.

And yes, he does have a lensing field. It's why the weapons go invisible too. It's crazy.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
So no fans of classic scifi here who have any idea what a Protector is capable of then?

And I don't just mean physically - they're much, much smarter than all of the other contestants combined...

You mean a Pak Protector from Niven's Known Space? Fighting beasts truly, but I think the rules leave aliens out...

Correct, but Jack Brennan (and others in that universe, too) is a human modified by the Pak retrovirus into a human Protector, so if other genetically modifed humans such as 40K Space Marines can enter, so can he.

Edit: Also, if this Prophet guy is basically immune to conventional weapons as well as tactical nukes, he's basically unbeatable, and therefore out of the competition.

It's not quite that easy.

The Nanosuit 1 once tanked an orbital beam weapon named 'Archangel' whose firepower was enough to obliterate New York. The Nanosuit was critically damaged after this, however, and the man inside died not long after.

The Nanosuit 1 also survived an EMP blast calculated as equivalent to a 30 kiloton bomb, but was temporarily disabled by the hit.

The Nanosuit 2 is far better in every aspect than the Nanosuit 1, but we can't know exactly how well.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
So no fans of classic scifi here who have any idea what a Protector is capable of then?

And I don't just mean physically - they're much, much smarter than all of the other contestants combined...

You mean a Pak Protector from Niven's Known Space? Fighting beasts truly, but I think the rules leave aliens out...

Correct, but Jack Brennan (and others in that universe, too) is a human modified by the Pak retrovirus into a human Protector, so if other genetically modifed humans such as 40K Space Marines can enter, so can he.

Edit: Also, if this Prophet guy is basically immune to conventional weapons as well as tactical nukes, he's basically unbeatable, and therefore out of the competition.

Basically.

Anyone that is basically unable to be killed by conventional weapons are not allowed.

Maybe you should just come out and say this is a competition for the toughest marines in sci-fi, only 40k marines can apply? Still going to lose to chuck norris though.

I'd like to toss Commander Shepard in for consideration. Armament probably depends on which class we're assuming but given all the armour in the matchups Infiltrator and the Black Widow are probably the best choices.

 Torga_DW wrote:
Maybe you should just come out and say this is a competition for the toughest marines in sci-fi, only 40k marines can apply? Still going to lose to chuck norris though.

What?

Read the bloody rules.

Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

 Jihadin wrote:
Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

No.

One weapon.

Anymore than one and it does not count. I will give them a single weapon though.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

No.

One weapon.

Anymore than one and it does not count. I will give them a single weapon though.

And the elemental pilot doesn't get to wear his elemental suit. read the rules.

*Female Zentraedi in power armor

*Roy Fokker in a Veritech in battle mode LIKE A BOSS.

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

No.

One weapon.

Anymore than one and it does not count. I will give them a single weapon though.

And the elemental pilot doesn't get to wear his elemental suit. read the rules.

I said a character can only have one weapon.

But there is a trade off..... All Marines in this match up have the same equipment, and weaponry, (And they will know how to use the weaponry) except for one thing: they are allowed to carry one weapon that is not a super weapon or conventional weapon (To be determined by Vote).

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 Frazzled wrote:
*Female Zentraedi in power armor

*Roy Fokker in a Veritech in battle mode LIKE A BOSS.

I have no knowledge who they are XD

I might need to read some stuff after my next break.

 Frazzled wrote:
*Female Zentraedi in power armor

*Roy Fokker in a Veritech in battle mode LIKE A BOSS.

He'd need rick hunter's theme playing for maximum win.

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

Well small arms fire meaning the weapons of that universe.

40k marines can enter, but it was up to everyone to what armor would be worn.

I choose then...

 Jihadin wrote:
I choose then...

Okay

Armed with his mechanical arm then?

As long as he does not possess a philosophers stone it will be fine.

Han Solo.




/Thread

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
If it's the Nanosuit 2.0, it obliterates everyone else in melee.

By Crysis 3 Prophet is an immortal cyborg who canonically cannot die (death is just a game mechanic), is far stronger and faster then any space marine or equivalent, and IIRC has a lensing field. Plus the suit literally eats that which it kills and assimilates the DNA into its own hardware.

However if they all had their usual armament, the Starship Trooper would murder everyone with tactical nuke launchers.

Idk, the nanosuit 1 can tank a nuke and the nanosuit 2 is even tougher.

And yes, he does have a lensing field. It's why the weapons go invisible too. It's crazy.

Just to explain what the kind of stuff is "normal" for the Marauder suit, it's supposed to be able to jump right over buildings per normal action. Plus then there's the Starship Troopers anime, which I've heard to be both insane and true to the book.

Don't feth with Grandpa.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
It's not quite that easy.

The Nanosuit 1 once tanked an orbital beam weapon named 'Archangel' whose firepower was enough to obliterate New York. The Nanosuit was critically damaged after this, however, and the man inside died not long after.

The Nanosuit 1 also survived an EMP blast calculated as equivalent to a 30 kiloton bomb, but was temporarily disabled by the hit.

The Nanosuit 2 is far better in every aspect than the Nanosuit 1, but we can't know exactly how well.

Also, barring dsingergration, it's canon that death is just a game mechanic for those wearing the Nanosuit 2.0. By Crysis 3 the suit has completely assimilated Alcatraz's corpse and eaten his heart and lungs. He doesn't need to breathe or require blood.


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jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff

Fenix armed with lancer

Doom Guy armed with the BFG

Duke nukeum armed with the ____
Boba Fett armed with _____
Dutch (Predator) armed with _______
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with _____
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)

Edward Elric armed with Alchemy

All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

I don't know who the Battletech guy is though, what's he capable of (the elemental)?

Asherian Command wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

Well small arms fire meaning the weapons of that universe.

40k marines can enter, but it was up to everyone to what armor would be worn.

Small arms fire and conventional weapons in the 40k universe is lasguns and las pistols. Marines are resistant in both fluff & game, so by your own rules marines are out.

Wyzilla wrote:

Just to explain what the kind of stuff is "normal" for the Marauder suit, it's supposed to be able to jump right over buildings per normal action. Plus then there's the Starship Troopers anime, which I've heard to be both insane and true to the book.

Don't feth with Grandpa.

Read the rules of the 'competition', you get the pilot not the marauder suit. So just an 'average' human but you get to vote on whether he gets carapace armour or not.

Wyzilla wrote:All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

I don't know who the Battletech guy is though, what's he capable of (the elemental)?

None of the guys you've listed are able to take their armour. This is another troll competition, just like his last hanzo greatest assassin thread. Hence, chuck norris wins.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned juicers yet.

 Torga_DW wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

Well small arms fire meaning the weapons of that universe.

40k marines can enter, but it was up to everyone to what armor would be worn.

Small arms fire and conventional weapons in the 40k universe is lasguns and las pistols. Marines are resistant in both fluff & game, so by your own rules marines are out.

Wyzilla wrote:

Just to explain what the kind of stuff is "normal" for the Marauder suit, it's supposed to be able to jump right over buildings per normal action. Plus then there's the Starship Troopers anime, which I've heard to be both insane and true to the book.

Don't feth with Grandpa.

Read the rules of the 'competition', you get the pilot not the marauder suit. So just an 'average' human but you get to vote on whether he gets carapace armour or not.

Wyzilla wrote:All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

I don't know who the Battletech guy is though, what's he capable of (the elemental)?

None of the guys you've listed are able to take their armour. This is another troll competition, just like his last hanzo greatest assassin thread. Hence, chuck norris wins.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned juicers yet.

There is no suit for Prophet. He IS the suit. Otherwise though the Astartes probably curbstomps everyone but the Spartan with casual swats of the hand.

Well, we are a 40k forum...
Isn't the Astartes crushing all before him what we want to see?

Also, the Cylon would be armed with a built-in, three-barreled machinegun.

Apparently so.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Well, we are a 40k forum...
Isn't the Astartes crushing all before him what we want to see?

Also, the Cylon would be armed with a built-in, three-barreled machinegun.

Prophet still brutally murders him though considering he is the post-human cyborg suit. By Crysis 3 there's almost certainly nobody even in the suit, and during Crysis 2 it's just Alcatraz, who's a corpse sustained by the suit. Hell, even in the beginning of Crysis 2 when Prophet was still "alive" as the original Prophet, he was dying from the virus brought by the Ceph.

Although I haven't played Crysis 3, at the very lease, Prophet would be at the same relative craziness level as an Astartes (especially when you start counting up the various organs, black carapace etc).

Which, you've got to admit, is pretty darn impressive, considering 40k was designed to be the most OTT of OTT OTT things that could ever be could be considered over the top.

Generally speaking though, there is the sorta flaw here, where when you start discounting suits / armour, etc. All that really leaves you with in the 'top tier' are the genetically engineered soldier types

 Compel wrote:
Although I haven't played Crysis 3, at the very lease, Prophet would be at the same relative craziness level as an Astartes (especially when you start counting up the various organs, black carapace etc).

Which, you've got to admit, is pretty darn impressive, considering 40k was designed to be the most OTT of OTT OTT things that could ever be could be considered over the top.

Generally speaking though, there is the sorta flaw here, where when you start discounting suits / armour, etc. All that really leaves you with in the 'top tier' are the genetically engineered soldier types

Oh no, outside of freak examples of Astartes, Prophet should be much stonger. A large portion of his entire body is made up of carbon nanotubes.

I think Elric has a chance because of his powers.

I might add Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean he still can die from conventional weapons. He just can't die from age.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I think Elric has a chance because of his powers.

I might add Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean he still can die from conventional weapons. He just can't die from age.

Add a Brute Chieftain with a Grav hammer. He wouldn't even need armour; his skin is as thick as Astartes skin. Plus, he could bulldoze through Spartan IIs with his bare hands, so I think he could give an Astartes a run for his money - especially with a GRAV HAMMER!!!


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Seriously. You can't be adding all of these random non-marine people if you don't add aliens too.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I think Elric has a chance because of his powers.

I might add Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean he still can die from conventional weapons. He just can't die from age.

Add a Brute Chieftain with a Grav hammer. He wouldn't even need armour; his skin is as thick as Astartes skin. Plus, he could bulldoze through Spartan IIs with his bare hands, so I think he could give an Astartes a run for his money - especially with a GRAV HAMMER!!!


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Seriously. You can't be adding all of these random non-marine people if you don't add aliens too.

Sure I'll do that.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff

Fenix armed with lancer

Doom Guy armed with the BFG

Duke nukeum armed with the ____
Boba Fett armed with _____
Dutch (Predator) armed with _______
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with _____
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)

Edward Elric armed with Alchemy

All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

So apparently the trash-talk has already begun.

While I'll back that statement for unaugmented humans, I will have to disagree on people (taking the term loosely here) like a Cylon and a Protector. Cylons are robots, although I'm not sure where they fall on the power scaleh ere.
Pak Protectors are physically comparable to a 40K Space Marine (enhanced strength and greatly enhanced speed and agility, extra heart, no fused ribcage, but leathery, hth-weapons-bounce-off-it-tough skin; don't spit acid, but can bite your arm off) and much, much, much smarter.
Assuming otherwise equal equipment and no invincible intelligent nano-suits (unless everyone gets one), I would very much bet on the Protector to win this, simply because he is physically more-or-less equal to the strongest "normal" contestants with the added benefit of a supergenius level intellect.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff

Fenix armed with lancer

Doom Guy armed with the BFG

Duke nukeum armed with the ____
Boba Fett armed with _____
Dutch (Predator) armed with _______
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with _____
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)

Edward Elric armed with Alchemy

All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

So apparently the trash-talk has already begun.

While I'll back that statement for unaugmented humans, I will have to disagree on people (taking the term loosely here) like a Cylon and a Protector. Cylons are robots, although I'm not sure where they fall on the power scaleh ere.
Pak Protectors are physically comparable to a 40K Space Marine (enhanced strength and greatly enhanced speed and agility, extra heart, no fused ribcage, but leathery, hth-weapons-bounce-off-it-tough skin; don't spit acid, but can bite your arm off) and much, much, much smarter.
Assuming otherwise equal equipment and no invincible intelligent nano-suits (unless everyone gets one), I would very much bet on the Protector to win this, simply because he is physically more-or-less equal to the strongest "normal" contestants with the added benefit of a supergenius level intellect.

Unless they can run around fifty miles per hour or lift 1,000+ pounds without even breaking a sweat, they aren't on the level of an Astartes. Or punch through metal.

Although everyone's still dead because of Prophet breaking the rules of combat. Without people bringing stuff like meltaguns to play, it's impossible to hard-kill Prophet. The only way to kill him is to damage him so completely that the nanites can't regenerate from the damage like a Necron.

While I don't offhand have hard numbers for a Protector's bench-press capacity, fifty miles per hour is certainly doable for them. They can also withstand G-forces of 5 gees indefinitely (maybe more, but 5 gees is what the stories have so far shown), and I'm pretty sure an Astartes can only punch through solid metal when wearing power armour.

1) Necrons were already disqualified for being unkillable, so that puts the nail in the coffin for Pophet being allowed to enter. Or it should.

2) The tnuctip spy gun can do that. It has several modes of operation, including, but not limited to, a grenade launcher, a laser, a length-adjustable monomolecular wire in a stasis field, a disintegrator, (causes atoms to fly away from the target in all directions by suppressing the negative charge of an electron) and a self-destruct which turns it into a fusion bomb.

Bran Dawri wrote:
While I don't offhand have hard numbers for a Protector's bench-press capacity, fifty miles per hour is certainly doable for them. They can also withstand G-forces of 5 gees indefinitely (maybe more, but 5 gees is what the stories have so far shown), and I'm pretty sure an Astartes can only punch through solid metal when wearing power armour.

1) Necrons were already disqualified for being unkillable, so that puts the nail in the coffin for Pophet being allowed to enter. Or it should.

2) The tnuctip spy gun can do that. It has several modes of operation, including, but not limited to, a grenade launcher, a laser, a length-adjustable monomolecular wire in a stasis field, a disintegrator, (causes atoms to fly away from the target in all directions by suppressing the negative charge of an electron) and a self-destruct which turns it into a fusion bomb.

A World Eater once punched clean through the breastplate of a Custodes and killed him.

Was he unarmoured?

...

In any case, I'm going to have to re-read Niven's Known Space stories and novels. I vaguely recall one of the ringworld novels having something about a Protector tearing through something really tough, but it could just be me imagining things.

They're pulpy, but pretty intelligent as pulp goes. And fun... Some of the coolest aliens in science fiction, too.

Just saying.

We need Spock and Jason Brody.

 Jihadin wrote:


Just saying.

Is that He-man?

Pretty sure it's Drizzt Do'Urden from Forgotten Realms.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Was he unarmoured?

...

In any case, I'm going to have to re-read Niven's Known Space stories and novels. I vaguely recall one of the ringworld novels having something about a Protector tearing through something really tough, but it could just be me imagining things.

They're pulpy, but pretty intelligent as pulp goes. And fun... Some of the coolest aliens in science fiction, too.

Completely naked, although it's not as much of an outlier as some people claim, as Ahriman speaks at length in one novel at how Astartes can maul APC's even when lacking power armor.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:


Just saying.

Is that He-man?

Its Drizzt.......OMG.....I'm in a state of shock so bad....

 Wyzilla wrote:


Completely naked, although it's not as much of an outlier as some people claim, as Ahriman speaks at length in one novel at how Astartes can maul APC's even when lacking power armor.

Mmm, I should probably preface my response by stating that I absolutely loathe the HH series, and do not consider any of it even remotely 40K canon.

So, to conclude,, that is a completely pants-on-head slowed piece of fluff, even for that series. If Marines can punch through power armour and destroy tank armour when buck-naked, why the feth are they wearing heavy, bulky armour which slows them down and reduces vision, hearing and sense of smell when it won't even remotely protect them against other Marines??? Also, why don't all Marine close combat attacks not count as at least Powerweapon attacks?

...

At least the helmet-less models make more sense now. Their head is harder than the helmet anyway, so there's no point in them wearing it :-D :-D :-D.

So no offense, but one isolated mention in the worst sf series I have ever had the displeasure of starting to read is not conclusive proof that 40K Marines can single-punch through solid metal against a moving opponent.
In any case, I didn't claim that Protectors were just as strong as Marines, but that they had comparable abilities. Even if Marines are slightly stronger, Protectors are equally tough, and still have the edge in speed and far outstrip Marines (and practically everyone else) in intelligence.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:


Completely naked, although it's not as much of an outlier as some people claim, as Ahriman speaks at length in one novel at how Astartes can maul APC's even when lacking power armor.

Mmm, I should probably preface my response by stating that I absolutely loathe the HH series, and do not consider any of it even remotely 40K canon.

So, to conclude,, that is a completely pants-on-head slowed piece of fluff, even for that series. If Marines can punch through power armour and destroy tank armour when buck-naked, why the feth are they wearing heavy, bulky armour which slows them down and reduces vision, hearing and sense of smell when it won't even remotely protect them against other Marines??? Also, why don't all Marine close combat attacks not count as at least Powerweapon attacks?

...

At least the helmet-less models make more sense now. Their head is harder than the helmet anyway, so there's no point in them wearing it :-D :-D :-D.

So no offense, but one isolated mention in the worst sf series I have ever had the displeasure of starting to read is not conclusive proof that 40K Marines can single-punch through solid metal against a moving opponent.
In any case, I didn't claim that Protectors were just as strong as Marines, but that they had comparable abilities. Even if Marines are slightly stronger, Protectors are equally tough, and still have the edge in speed and far outstrip Marines (and practically everyone else) in intelligence.

To be honest Outcast dead is the worst of the entire horus heresy series.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:


Completely naked, although it's not as much of an outlier as some people claim, as Ahriman speaks at length in one novel at how Astartes can maul APC's even when lacking power armor.

Mmm, I should probably preface my response by stating that I absolutely loathe the HH series, and do not consider any of it even remotely 40K canon.

So, to conclude,, that is a completely pants-on-head slowed piece of fluff, even for that series. If Marines can punch through power armour and destroy tank armour when buck-naked, why the feth are they wearing heavy, bulky armour which slows them down and reduces vision, hearing and sense of smell when it won't even remotely protect them against other Marines??? Also, why don't all Marine close combat attacks not count as at least Powerweapon attacks?

...

At least the helmet-less models make more sense now. Their head is harder than the helmet anyway, so there's no point in them wearing it :-D :-D :-D.

So no offense, but one isolated mention in the worst sf series I have ever had the displeasure of starting to read is not conclusive proof that 40K Marines can single-punch through solid metal against a moving opponent.
In any case, I didn't claim that Protectors were just as strong as Marines, but that they had comparable abilities. Even if Marines are slightly stronger, Protectors are equally tough, and still have the edge in speed and far outstrip Marines (and practically everyone else) in intelligence.

Because power armor comes with a sensor suite, expands their vision, enhances their strength further, and allows them to shrug off lasguns, heavy bolters, autocannon fire, and even survive Leman Russ battlecannons.

Since when does a lasgun have higher strength than a Marine?

For that matter, since when is a blow from an unarmed and unarmoured Marine more powerful than a grenade from a heavy bolter or an autocannon?
Since that's what you're claiming...
And last time I checked battlecannons were S8 AP3 (apparently just like naked Space Marines), so power armour does exactly nothing.

I think if that doesn't make my point, I'm done arguing, because if you're going to seriously argue this point further there's no reasoning with you.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Since when does a lasgun have higher strength than a Marine?

For that matter, since when is a blow from an unarmed and unarmoured Marine more powerful than a grenade from a heavy bolter or an autocannon?
Since that's what you're claiming...
And last time I checked battlecannons were S8 AP3 (apparently just like naked Space Marines), so power armour does exactly nothing.

I think if that doesn't make my point, I'm done arguing, because if you're going to seriously argue this point further there's no reasoning with you.

Who me?

Who are you quoting?

PA does not slow down Marines FYI. That's the whole point of the Black Carapace.

Do we already have characters from Starship Troopers and Dune on the list?
We can't have a good sci-fi marine without Starship Troopers and Dune. I don't really know about those series though, so you gotta help me here.
I think it would be best if we just add the main characters, that would be Juan Rico for Starship Troopers and Paul Atreides for Dune.
You guys have any other suggestions and weapons?

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Do we already have characters from Starship Troopers and Dune on the list?
We can't have a good sci-fi marine without Starship Troopers and Dune. I don't really know about those series though, so you gotta help me here.
I think it would be best if we just add the main characters, that would be Juan Rico for Starship Troopers and Paul Atreides for Dune.
You guys have any other suggestions and weapons?

Sure!

They will be added.

All armed with a Wiffle Ball Bat

 Jihadin wrote:
All armed with a Wiffle Ball Bat

Then it would be a tie.

 Asherian Command wrote:


Who me?

Who are you quoting?

Not you, Wyzilla.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Since when does a lasgun have higher strength than a Marine?

For that matter, since when is a blow from an unarmed and unarmoured Marine more powerful than a grenade from a heavy bolter or an autocannon?
Since that's what you're claiming...
And last time I checked battlecannons were S8 AP3 (apparently just like naked Space Marines), so power armour does exactly nothing.

I think if that doesn't make my point, I'm done arguing, because if you're going to seriously argue this point further there's no reasoning with you.

The TT isn't evidence of anything given that it's just game mechanics.

But since you seem to be completely ignorant of 40K, welcome to 40k. Where Librarians fly through space and cut battle barges in half like they're Goku, and Orks walk off battlecannon shots like they're flesh wounds.

And the game mechanics are supposed to be a -somewhat abstracted, I'll grant you- representation of a model/unit/weapon's "real life" capabilities.

A little fudging from the actual capabilities for simplicty's sake is fair enough, but to claim an unarmoured marine has the same strength and armourpenetrating power as a battlecannon shell is asinine, even for 40K. So, yeah, you can replay to this post if you want, but I'm done arguing with you.

Space Marines are supersoldiers, not Kryptonians.

Bran Dawri wrote:
And the game mechanics are supposed to be a -somewhat abstracted, I'll grant you- representation of a model/unit/weapon's "real life" capabilities.

A little fudging from the actual capabilities for simplicty's sake is fair enough, but to claim an unarmoured marine has the same strength and armourpenetrating power as a battlecannon shell is asinine, even for 40K. So, yeah, you can replay to this post if you want, but I'm done arguing with you.

Space Marines are supersoldiers, not Kryptonians.

Where do you keep getting this lore?

I remember the other thread where you keep bringing this up and yet that is NOT what it says.

OK, a few things here:
1.) A Space Marine has the strengths necessary to penetrate the weak points of Power Armour, SHOULD HE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING. ie training his fist to punch properly so as not to break his wrist, punching properly so that he doesn't shatter his hand, etc. Contrary to popular belief, punching somebody properly takes a fuckton of training, but will deal far more damage to somebody, and less damage to the Puncher's fist.
2.) HOW THE feth HAS NOBODY MENTIONED BIG DADDY? Seriously, you HAVE to add Subject Delta with his drill. He would absolutely DESTROY your average Space Marine in combat. Though if he was up against somebody like Captain Tycho, then he would definitely have a MUCH tougher time (though he'd still win)

Bran Dawri wrote:
And the game mechanics are supposed to be a -somewhat abstracted, I'll grant you- representation of a model/unit/weapon's "real life" capabilities.

A little fudging from the actual capabilities for simplicty's sake is fair enough, but to claim an unarmoured marine has the same strength and armourpenetrating power as a battlecannon shell is asinine, even for 40K. So, yeah, you can replay to this post if you want, but I'm done arguing with you.

Space Marines are supersoldiers, not Kryptonians.

It's not a claim. It happened. Along with reference being made to Astartes also being able to maul APC's even when naked. And I haven't even gotten to speed. There's an actual psychological condition in the Imperium called Transhuman Dread, when exposure to space marines and seeing them run is so unnatural and unnerving that it causes the person exposed to go insane.

The thing you need to remember is you're lucky to get a consistent portrayal of a Space Marines abilities in the same book, nevermind in general.

In one story, you might have a space marine punching out a tank. In another, you'll find him strangled to death by a houseplant.

 Compel wrote:
The thing you need to remember is you're lucky to get a consistent portrayal of a Space Marines abilities in the same book, nevermind in general.

In one story, you might have a space marine punching out a tank. In another, you'll find him strangled to death by a houseplant.

Oh I remember that. That was stupid.

 dusara217 wrote:
OK, a few things here:
1.) A Space Marine has the strengths necessary to penetrate the weak points of Power Armour, SHOULD HE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING. ie training his fist to punch properly so as not to break his wrist, punching properly so that he doesn't shatter his hand, etc. Contrary to popular belief, punching somebody properly takes a fuckton of training, but will deal far more damage to somebody, and less damage to the Puncher's fist.
2.) HOW THE feth HAS NOBODY MENTIONED BIG DADDY? Seriously, you HAVE to add Subject Delta with his drill. He would absolutely DESTROY your average Space Marine in combat. Though if he was up against somebody like Captain Tycho, then he would definitely have a MUCH tougher time (though he'd still win)

Lolwut, at first I thought you were talking about something different, but Bioshock Big Daddies? Those things are pathetic, the only impressive thing about them is a drill. Guardsmen could drop them with lasguns.

 Compel wrote:
The thing you need to remember is you're lucky to get a consistent portrayal of a Space Marines abilities in the same book, nevermind in general.

In one story, you might have a space marine punching out a tank. In another, you'll find him strangled to death by a houseplant.

Exactly. They're both ridiculous.

Thinking about it there is only one person.

He doesn't need armour. In fact he is pretty much like a Scout Sergeant, armed with naught but a Shotgun and Power Fist (that strikes at Initiative).

Groovy.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
OK, a few things here:
1.) A Space Marine has the strengths necessary to penetrate the weak points of Power Armour, SHOULD HE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING. ie training his fist to punch properly so as not to break his wrist, punching properly so that he doesn't shatter his hand, etc. Contrary to popular belief, punching somebody properly takes a fuckton of training, but will deal far more damage to somebody, and less damage to the Puncher's fist.
2.) HOW THE feth HAS NOBODY MENTIONED BIG DADDY? Seriously, you HAVE to add Subject Delta with his drill. He would absolutely DESTROY your average Space Marine in combat. Though if he was up against somebody like Captain Tycho, then he would definitely have a MUCH tougher time (though he'd still win)

Lolwut, at first I thought you were talking about something different, but Bioshock Big Daddies? Those things are pathetic, the only impressive thing about them is a drill. Guardsmen could drop them with lasguns.

Are you kidding me? I have literally shot a single Big Daddy with over 330 bullets and that bastard just kept coming. Big Daddies are all-around bigger and stronger than ordinary humans, and Subject Delta tooke a round from a Luger with it PRESSED AGAINST ONE OF THE THREE THIN POINTS OF ThE SKULL and he still survived, plus he's also man who can shoot lightning and fire out of his palm and use telekenesis.
Plus, mining drill vs. Power Armour, mining drill wins.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
OK, a few things here:
1.) A Space Marine has the strengths necessary to penetrate the weak points of Power Armour, SHOULD HE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING. ie training his fist to punch properly so as not to break his wrist, punching properly so that he doesn't shatter his hand, etc. Contrary to popular belief, punching somebody properly takes a fuckton of training, but will deal far more damage to somebody, and less damage to the Puncher's fist.
2.) HOW THE feth HAS NOBODY MENTIONED BIG DADDY? Seriously, you HAVE to add Subject Delta with his drill. He would absolutely DESTROY your average Space Marine in combat. Though if he was up against somebody like Captain Tycho, then he would definitely have a MUCH tougher time (though he'd still win)

Lolwut, at first I thought you were talking about something different, but Bioshock Big Daddies? Those things are pathetic, the only impressive thing about them is a drill. Guardsmen could drop them with lasguns.

Are you kidding me? I have literally shot a single Big Daddy with over 330 bullets and that bastard just kept coming. Big Daddies are all-around bigger and stronger than ordinary humans, and Subject Delta tooke a round from a Luger with it PRESSED AGAINST ONE OF THE THREE THIN POINTS OF ThE SKULL and he still survived, plus he's also man who can shoot lightning and fire out of his palm and use telekenesis.
Plus, mining drill vs. Power Armour, mining drill wins.

Ermmm Read the rules mate XD

 Asherian Command wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
OK, a few things here:
1.) A Space Marine has the strengths necessary to penetrate the weak points of Power Armour, SHOULD HE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING. ie training his fist to punch properly so as not to break his wrist, punching properly so that he doesn't shatter his hand, etc. Contrary to popular belief, punching somebody properly takes a fuckton of training, but will deal far more damage to somebody, and less damage to the Puncher's fist.
2.) HOW THE feth HAS NOBODY MENTIONED BIG DADDY? Seriously, you HAVE to add Subject Delta with his drill. He would absolutely DESTROY your average Space Marine in combat. Though if he was up against somebody like Captain Tycho, then he would definitely have a MUCH tougher time (though he'd still win)

Lolwut, at first I thought you were talking about something different, but Bioshock Big Daddies? Those things are pathetic, the only impressive thing about them is a drill. Guardsmen could drop them with lasguns.

Are you kidding me? I have literally shot a single Big Daddy with over 330 bullets and that bastard just kept coming. Big Daddies are all-around bigger and stronger than ordinary humans, and Subject Delta tooke a round from a Luger with it PRESSED AGAINST ONE OF THE THREE THIN POINTS OF ThE SKULL and he still survived, plus he's also man who can shoot lightning and fire out of his palm and use telekenesis.
Plus, mining drill vs. Power Armour, mining drill wins.

Ermmm Read the rules mate XD

Ordinary Big Daddies are no tougher than Space Marines, though I just realized no magic powers is a rule. Although, Subject Delta is NOT a Psyker, he's just been generically modified so that he can manipulate the energy of his body to have what we consider to be fantastic results.

Anyways, ordinary Big Daddy then. Also, Riddick is totally gonna win this


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If not a Big Daddy then let's at LEAST have the Lone Wanderer with a Guess Rifle (Fallout 3)

Why does Boba Fett have dual blaster pistols rather than his blaster rifle?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Why does Boba Fett have dual blaster pistols rather than his blaster rifle?

I'll change that.

Can we make it just like the only canon Star Wars, and kill off Boba Fett before he does anything?

 dusara217 wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
OK, a few things here:
1.) A Space Marine has the strengths necessary to penetrate the weak points of Power Armour, SHOULD HE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING. ie training his fist to punch properly so as not to break his wrist, punching properly so that he doesn't shatter his hand, etc. Contrary to popular belief, punching somebody properly takes a fuckton of training, but will deal far more damage to somebody, and less damage to the Puncher's fist.
2.) HOW THE feth HAS NOBODY MENTIONED BIG DADDY? Seriously, you HAVE to add Subject Delta with his drill. He would absolutely DESTROY your average Space Marine in combat. Though if he was up against somebody like Captain Tycho, then he would definitely have a MUCH tougher time (though he'd still win)

Lolwut, at first I thought you were talking about something different, but Bioshock Big Daddies? Those things are pathetic, the only impressive thing about them is a drill. Guardsmen could drop them with lasguns.

Are you kidding me? I have literally shot a single Big Daddy with over 330 bullets and that bastard just kept coming. Big Daddies are all-around bigger and stronger than ordinary humans, and Subject Delta tooke a round from a Luger with it PRESSED AGAINST ONE OF THE THREE THIN POINTS OF ThE SKULL and he still survived, plus he's also man who can shoot lightning and fire out of his palm and use telekenesis.
Plus, mining drill vs. Power Armour, mining drill wins.

No offense, but this is probably because you're bad at the game. Unless you have actual video evidence... then you lack an argument. Not to mention that you're arguing purely off game mechanics, or do you truly think the soldiers in the COD universe can just walk off being shot with an RPG? No, it's a mechanic in the game so there's an actual fight, and you just don't fall over dead instantly.

Also, normal every-day people can survive being shot in the head just fine, even going so far as to deflect 9mm bullets.

Considering some people seem wholly ignorant of space marines, he's a quick education from the Black Library.


While armored, unarmored Astartes should sprint just as fast. Note that Talos ran ten meters and hopped a console in around 0.75-.0.66 seconds.

“‘Sire, I believe we should save them for–’ The human said nothing more. The front of his face came free with a sickly crack, the flesh and jagged bone crunching in the Night Lord’s fist. Talos ignored the body as it toppled, spilling the insides of its halved skull onto the decking. No one had even seen him move, such was the prophet’s speed, clearing ten metres and vaulting a console table in the time it took a human heart to beat once.”
Pg.93 VS

Astartes do not tire.

“Talos disembowelled one of the fleeing crew from behind, hurling the biological wreckage aside. He was sweating beneath his armour, already feeling the strain of the endless chopping through the panicked humans blocking the tunnels. A horde of them, hundreds – and soon to be thousands – were fleeing for the escape pods. Exhaustion wasn’t a factor; he could carve all day and all night without rest. The problem was purely one of time.”
Pg.229 VS

Astartes run 16.6 meters per second.

“‘He’s sent the pulse,’ Nemiel told the squad. ‘Brother Marthes, take point. Sergeant Kohl, help me with Brother Askelon. Let’s move!’
The Astartes sprang into action, charging down the tunnel behind Marthes, who advanced with his meltagun held ready. Kohl and Nemiel brought up the rear, dragging the limp form of Askelon between them.
Three hundred metres down the tunnel, the passageway fed into a large, square structure that echoed the permacrete blockhouse they’d entered at the manufactory. The plasteel rungs of another ladder climbed upward, presumably into the foundry’s assembly building. Sitting at its feet, just as Nemiel suspected, crouched a matte-black sentry gun. Armed with a turret-mounted twin-linked lascannon, the automated unit crouched on four stubby legs like a hungry spider waiting for prey. Nemiel could hear the hum of its power unit as they approached. Its twin guns were aimed straight down the tunnel at the approaching Astartes. A single shot would cut through their armour like tissue.

Nemiel consulted his internal chrono: they had just twelve seconds left. He looked to Kohl as they reached the bottom of the ladder. ”
Pg.394 FA

And another one where they cross hundreds of meters in a handful of seconds.

“They’d run for only a few hundred metres when just ahead they saw a platoon of skitarii jog into view, dragging four lascannons mounted on wheeled gun carriages. They saw the Astartes at almost the same instant; with three hundred metres between them, the enemy troops hurriedly dropped the trails on the four guns and began to frantically wheel them around to bear on the squad.
‘Charge!’ Nemiel cried, but the rest of squad hardly needed prompting. They broke into a full run, firing their bolters as they went.
Nemiel watched the mass-reactive shells strike the armoured splinter plates of the gun carriages and ricochet harmlessly away. The crews worked quickly and with remarkable precision, connecting the weapons to their power units and energising the guns in the space of seconds. If they had been preparing to fire on human troops, it might have been enough, but the Astartes reached the enemy with seconds to spare.
They leapt up and over the lascannons’ splinter shields and came down among the shocked gun crews. ”
Pg.470 FA

Eidetic memory coupled with super hearing allows Astartes to distinguish single autocannon shots in constant fire, and even hear the brass casing of the shells land over the gunfire.

“Maion held up his hand, the firing had stopped. His enhanced hearing had heard the bark of every round as they tore from the autcannon’s barrel. His eidetic memory had catalogued every shell casing that struck the ground. The weapon’s magazine was still half full. The traitors weren’t reloading, they were baiting them.”
Pg.12 H&B 15 – Beneath the Flesh

Astartes weapons are so heavy that mortals can't even lift them.

“He saw Tycho’s combi-weapon lying on the floor and took a half-step toward it. The idea of taking it up himself died in this mind; the gun was so massive he would never have been able to lift it.”
Pg.320 Blood Angels Omnibus

Astartes bullet time and can see supersonic shells travel.

“Gabriel squeezed a couple of shells out of his bolter and watched the little contrails that poured out behind them, as though in slow motion. They spun through the thick, gaseous air and then slipped through a gap in the lava flow, punching into the kaleidoscope of reflections beyond.”
Pg.258 Dawn of War Omnibus

Chaplain swats a supersonic bolt from the air.

“Combat reflexes took over and Rafen drew his bolt pistol in a fraction of a second, his other hand snatching at the hilt of the battle knife resting in a sheath along the line of his spine. He fired a single shot at the High Chaplain, aiming low, aiming to wound, to slow him down. But he might well have called out his intentions in a shout. Astorath swept his blade aside and intercepted the bolt mid-flight with a crack of sound, the round blasting harmlessly into the dirt. Rafen dodged to one side as the weapon’s fast, fluid arc bisected the space where he had been standing, and he rolled, tumbling over red dirt and half-buried rocks.”
Pgs.231-232 H&B 16 – Redeemed

Astartes hearing is so sensitive they can hear heartbeats.

“She knows you lie. You hear her heartbeat, as I do. She is terrified, and she knows you are lying to her.”
Pg.419 TFH

Astartes are stupidly fast, Tal moves faster then a human eye can blink while drawing swords and putting them to a man's neck.

“‘Control your emotions, and move aside,’ Argel Tal growled, ‘or I will kill you.’
‘You cannot mean that, lord!’
Faster than human eyes could follow, the swords of red iron came free in hissing rasps. The tips of both blades rested against the fat priest’s three chins before he’d even had time to blink. Apparently, the lord did mean it.
‘Yes,’ the deacon stammered. ‘Yes, I…’
‘Just move,’ Argel Tal suggested. ”
Pg.264 TFH

Swats bolts out of the air with his swords.

“He pulled the haft-trigger, and his spear’s underslung bolter cracked off a stream of rounds on full-auto.
Argel Tal saw it coming. The swords of red iron smashed the first three bolts aside, their power fields strong enough to detonate the shells as they streaked towards the primarch’s heart. The explosions threw the captain to the ground, his grey armour scraping along the stone with the shriek of offended ceramite.”
Pg.383 The First Heretic

More insane movement speed, zips forward and grabs a guy again before a blink can even be made.

“The captain had no time to react – a blur of dark grey shoved her aside. Before she’d even blinked, Arvas was kicking and dangling above the ground, held aloft by Argel Tal’s fist around his throat. ”
Pg.420 FTH

In 0.33333 Seconds both Astartes and Custodes can land a melee strike.

“The two warriors flew at one another, each strike flashing aside with bursts from their opposing power fields. Every second saw three strikes made, and each strike snapped back with the weapons’ electrical fields repelling one another after the metal kissed for the briefest moment. The air was rich with the ozone scent of abused power fields in only a matter of heartbeats.”
Pg.612 TFH

Not likely relevant to the fight, but Astartes heat is so low it's incredibly hard to even detect.

“The Hall of Tra was cold and lightless. His wolf-eye caught the ghost radiation of barely smouldering firepits. In terms of heat and light, the Wolves were making no allowances for human tolerances of comfort. They had given him a pelt and an eye to see through the dark with. What more could he want?
He realised he wasn’t alone. The company was all around him. Their body heat was barely detectable, dimmer than the dull firepits. The Hall was a massive natural cavern, ragged and irregular, and the Astartes were ranged around it, huddled and coiled in their furs, as immobile as a sibling pack of predators, gone to ground overnight, dormant and pressed close for warmth.

The Upplander’s breath was steaming the frigid air, but barely a curl escaped Ogvai’s mouth alongside his words. Astartes biology was marvellously adapted for heat retention.”
Pg.107 Prospero Burns

Unarmored Astartes picks up a dude and rag-dolls him when tossing him with little exertion at all.

“Subha dispensed with any pretence of courtesy and picked Kai up as though he were a recalcitrant child. The World Eater sprinted towards the open hatchway as the rest of the Outcast Dead climbed aboard.
‘Atharva!’ shouted Subha. ‘Catch.’
Kai yelled as he sailed through the air, but Atharva caught him without difficulty and swung him around to plant him in a crew seat bolted to the fuselage. Kai felt as though every single bone in his body had been battered, and bit back a vulgar insult as Atharva pressed him into his seat.”
Pg.450 OD

Self explanatory, pretty sure it's unarmored as well.

Jonas dug his fingertips down into the sand next to the tablet, feeling along its length for a crack. With a slight nod of satisfaction, he found some leverage with his index finger and drove it underneath the stone. With a faint grimace of effort, the librarian prised the slab of rock off the ground; it pivoted along the far edge, as though hinged, and cascades of sand fell away, revealing the full extent of the object. The tablet was nearly two metres long, perhaps a metre wide, and at least ten centimetres thick.
As she approached, Meritia shook her head in amusement. Jonas hadn't even noticed that he had just lifted more with the index finger of one hand than most men could have done with the strength of their entire bodies.

Astartes barely strains to lift 1,100 pounds.

“During a particular training exercise in ambush methods, a fledgling Disciple was crushed by his own poorly-rigged log trap. One of the four - Gabre - simply levered the half-tonne log off the dead man and Mautista saw with his own eyes the way Gabre barely strained to lift it.” / Flesh and Iron, p.118 - **

Astartes pops one of these effortlessly

“He gripped his big, blunt fingers into the sandbag his arm rested on. It popped like a dry blister with no effort at all.” / Flesh and Iron, p.229 - **

Astartes bears the weight of his dead, armored captain, who is strapped to a solid slab of ceramite by iron chains, for hours on end. The weight is easily in excess of a thousand pounds or more, probably two thousand or so given the slab of ceramite. Oh, and he doesn't exert himself while doing this either.

“At last the moment came. Dak’ir had carried the weight of the pyre-slab for several hours. His shoulders did not even feel this exertion as he fed the chain down slowly, hand-over-hand. Each of the vast links, twice as large as an Astartes’ fist, was etched with the symbols of Promethean lore: the hammer, the anvil, the flame. Though the chain links would not dissolve when they touched the lava, they were still red-hot from the rising heat. As each link fed through his palm, Dak’ir gripped it and felt the symbols being slowly branded into his flesh.

Steam issued from every grasp . Dak’ir did not even flinch. He was focused on his task and knew that every link in the chain must be gripped in precisely the same way so that the three symbols were burned into the same place on his palm. Any mistake, however slight, would be obvious afterwards. The ruined mark would be scoured away by brander-priests, shame and disgrace left in its stead.” / Salamander, p.20 - **

Unarmored Astartes jumps thirteen goddamn feet into the air despite weighing something over one hundred and fifty kilos.

“He leapt. His explosiveness was incredible, clearing four metres from a standstill.” / Blood Gorgons, p.69 - **

Astartes presses 830 pounds unarmored.

“On board the Cauldron Born’s palaestras, it was not uncommon for Barsabbas to press three hundred and eighty kilograms of loaded kettles overhead, unarmoured.” / Blood Gorgons, p.151 - **

Tracking time by counting heartbeats.

“There was no chron in his cell and Hazareth had taken to marking the passing of time by the beat of his primary heart. Forty-eight beats was one minute, 2,880 was one hour. Over thirty-four thousand for one ship cycle. Only five ship cycles until the plan was under way.” / Blood Gorgons, p.132 - **

Lulzy galloping run.

“'Disperse!' bellowed Astelan, sprinting to his right. His power armour took him across the ground in huge leaps, covering half a dozen metres with every pace.” / Tales of Heresy, p.304 - Call of the Lion

Astartes are so utterly terrifying that they can cause normal humans to go insane from mere exposure. It's also so common they named a bloody medical condition for it.

“Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. He’d heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear.

But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two metres tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another. The psychologists called it transhuman dread. It froze a man, stuck him to the ground, caused his mind to lock up, made him lose control of bladder and bowel. Something huge and warlike gave pause: something huge and warlike and moving with the speed of a striking snake, that was when you knew that gods moved amongst men, and that there existed a scale of strength and speed beyond anything mortal, and that you were about to die and, if you were really lucking, there might be just enough time to piss yourself first.” / Age of Darkness, p.163 - **

Microsecond reaction speeds.

“As the shell seared past, Rangar threw himself flat behind the low pile of rubble trying to make himself as small a target as possible. That had been close, too close. The shot had almost parted his hair. Only his lightning quick reflexes, and the microsecond's warning provided by his superhuman senses had got him out of the way. If he had ducked half a heartbeat later, his head would have been an exploding fountain of gore and bone.” / The Space Wolf Omnibus, p.269 - **

Astartes goes on a non-stop rampage for over eight hours and only stops because he falls over from lactic acid buildup. It took over eight hours for enough lactic acid to form however to do this.

“Enraged, the Blood Gorgon hammered the floor tiles with his fists. The tireless banging split the ceramic and brought down scuds of dust from the rafters. Still howling, Barsabbas rose to his feet and began to beat his own naked face against the generator’s iron bearing covers. The ridged metal scored his cheeks and opened up raw, bleeding lines across his forehead. Sargaul began to bawl too, stimulated by the loud noise. His eyes were fixed upon the ceiling and his clumsy tongue worked in a muted, stifled yell.

Barsabbas raged long into the night. He did not stop. Seized by an anguish that had no release, he began to tear down the processing facility with his bare hands. Bones splintered wood, boots dented metal. He raged until his fists were black and bleeding and the ceramite of his gauntlets was textured with scratches. Dust clouds fumed as he broke through the walls. Sindul sheltered behind a storage locker as the world crashed and shook. The Traitor Marine was like an earthquake or a storm. Sindul had little hope of escaping and was helpless to stop it. Instead he hid and hoped it would pass quickly. The noise had promised such fury that even the warp beasts had fled the area, balking at such raw power. Gumede, hiding far out in the grass fields, prayed. He thought the end of the world had come. He prayed through the night and did not stop until the first sun crested the horizon. Finally, as the suns reached first dawn, Barsabbas grew tired. By then, he had levelled almost a third of the abandoned facility. He collapsed as the lactic buildup in his muscles reached toxic levels, beyond what even an Astartes could ignore.” / Blood Gorgons, p.137 - **

Astartes find seventy kilo power fists and lightning claws to be weightless, even out of armor.

“Priad flexed the long, segmented fingers of the metal glove, and watched as blue sparks hissed from digit to digit. The claw weighed close to seventy kilos and was three times the size of a human hand. But even without the strength enhancing mechanics of his Mark VII power armor, Priad would not have been tested by the weight.” - / Brothers of the Snake, p.142 - **

While this is armored, given that Astartes can casually lift over a thousand pounds without even a grunt, this probably would happen even out of armor.

“Ragnar smiled and casually backhanded his attacker. Teeth flew everywhere and bones broke as his foe was thrown across the room.” / Wolfblade, p.127 - **

Or this.

“He picked up the metal table. The bolts holding it to the floor snapped as he lifted it free and tossed it into the oncoming mass of drugged fanatics. It bowled them over and left them sprawling beneath its weight. Haegr reached forward and picked two up, one in each hand, and then used them as clubs to batter their companions senseless. He raced through them like an out-of-control behemoth, unstoppable as a charging rhino. Within seconds he had left a trail of maimed and battered foes behind him. Any that tried to get to their feet were stamped on. Their hands and legs shattered along with bionics and bones.” / Wolfblade, p.130 - **

Or this

“Before the Imperial could shoot again, Kroeger was upon him, backhanding his fist across his face and decapitating him in an explosion of blood and bone.” / Storm of Iron, p.17 - **

Or this

“Laughing, Sica backhanded one of the hooded men with the ridged knuckles of his gauntlet, snapping his neck and throwing two hundred kilos of brutish soldier back into his comrades.” / Blood Gorgons, p.64 - **

Are you still on that?

FYI, I've been playing 40K since the late 90s and am well aware of the capabilities of Space Marines, as well as how incosistently they're portrayed.
I just don't ascribe to the Black Library teenage wishfulfillment bolterporn version of it, as it is even more ridiculous than the actual GW portrayal, nor am I such a Marine fanboy that I dismiss other universes' supersoldiers out of hand simply because GW and BL don't understand physics or biology.

Bran Dawri wrote:
Are you still on that?

FYI, I've been playing 40K since the late 90s and am well aware of the capabilities of Space Marines, as well as how incosistently they're portrayed.
I just don't ascribe to the Black Library teenage wishfulfillment bolterporn version of it, as it is even more ridiculous than the actual GW portrayal, nor am I such a Marine fanboy that I dismiss other universes' supersoldiers out of hand simply because GW and BL don't understand physics or biology.

It doesn't matter considering it's just as relevent as other material, and GW directly approves of it considering they publish it personally. It's first party source material as the Black Library is just a sockpuppet of GW, the only material I would begin to question its relevancy is third party commissioned material, like the Dawn of War videogames.

Also, as it's fiction, the author can simply handwave physics away if so willed because well, fiction, the author, and word of god. It doesn't matter if you don't like it, it still happened and is just as canon as the BRB or the Codices. Also, I am familiar with most of the supersoldiers on this list, and their feats don't look impressive at all in 40k. Especially Riddick. I love Riddick as old 40's style pulp science fiction, but the dude is completely out of his game here. The problem is that the OP fails to distinguish the difference between superhumans (Prophet,Edward, the Astartes, John 117, Shepard, etc) from normal humans or those who are close to normal humans and don't stupid amounts of durability.

And just realized Shepard is on this list. If he has biotic powers, he wins by default and could only be given a run for his money by Edward if people don't pile on him immediately. Edward's powerful, but he can be taken down by parties who are faster then him, such as John, Prophet, or the Astartes.

Yes, and in the Space Marine videogame, three Ultramarines stop an entire Ork Waaagh as well as a Deamonic invasion all by themselves.
Also, we should add Tau Fire Warriors, as the Fire Warrior games shows us a single Fire Warrior is much stronger than a Space Marine. Even stronger than a large group of Space Marines. A single Fire Warrior can easily kill large numbers of Space Marines and even a Lord of Change.

Please don't use BL other GW-published media to show Space Marine capabilities. It is often ridiculous and always contradictory. For every BL book where Space Marines are superhumans that can kill hundreds of normal humans on their own, there is a BL book that has SM falling like wheat to a scythe. There is too much contradiction and therefore BL is unreliable as a source. Please only use the material directly written by GW, as that is sometimes slightly coherent.

Also, not all entries have a weapon yet. Get to work guys!

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Yes, and in the Space Marine videogame, three Ultramarines stop an entire Ork Waaagh as well as a Deamonic invasion all by themselves.
Also, we should add Tau Fire Warriors, as the Fire Warrior games shows us a single Fire Warrior is much stronger than a Space Marine. Even stronger than a large group of Space Marines. A single Fire Warrior can easily kill large numbers of Space Marines and even a Lord of Change.

Please don't use BL other GW-published media to show Space Marine capabilities. It is often ridiculous and always contradictory. For every BL book where Space Marines are superhumans that can kill hundreds of normal humans on their own, there is a BL book that has SM falling like wheat to a scythe. There is too much contradiction and therefore BL is unreliable as a source. Please only use the material directly written by GW, as that is sometimes slightly coherent.

Also, not all entries have a weapon yet. Get to work guys!

Actually the Tau was perfectly explained. He was a champion of Khorne.

And seeing that you seemed to miss the message, the Black Library is written by GW.. Besides, I can also just point to the Codices where scouts stop an entire planetary rebellion in a day, the Salamanders sack Necron Tomb World, a couple Space Marines hold of a gate from orks for years, Ultramarines curbstomp Eldar, etc.

You're the one completely missing the point Wyzilla.

Space Marine portrayal in fiction is completely incoherent. Among the codices as well, but far, far worse in Black Library novels.
A much fairer way to judge their capabilites is to compare their enhancements (which while sometimes silly, are at least consistent and described in detail - and definitely impressive.)

And Black Library is not written by GW. It's written by a couple of hacks with at best a passing knowledge of the source material which is already sketchy at best, and whatever drivel comes out of their typewriters is then published by a GW subsidiary.

If BL is your go-to for canon, I nominate MkVenner of the Gaunt's Ghosts Imperial Guard Scout regiment. He singlehandedly took down a Chaos Dreadnought!

And the Gaunt's Ghosts, have gone up against Chaos Marines (who are arguably more dangerous than regular marines) and easily beat them! And they're unenhanced humans, so anyone on the original who is somehow enhanced should curbstomp the 40K Marines. It's GW published canon, so it must be true!

Edit: I'm a doofus who can't spell late at night.

Bran Dawri wrote:
You're the one coimpletely missing the point Wyzilla.

Space Marine portrayal in fiction is completely incoherent. Among the codices as well, but far, far worse in Black Library novels.
A much fairer way to judge their capabilites is to compare their enhancements (which while sometimes silly, are at least consistent and described in detail - and definitely impressive.)

And Black Library is not written by GW. It's written by a couple of hacks with at best a passing knowledge of the source material which is already sketchy at best, and whatever drivel comes out of their typewriters is then published by a GW subsidiary.

If BL is your go-to for canon, I nominate MkVenner of the Gaunt's Ghosts Imperial Guard Scout regiment. He singlehandedly took down a Chaos Dreadnought!

ANd the Gaunt's Ghosts, have gone up against Chaos Marines (who are arguably more dangerous than regular marines) and easily beat them! And they're unenhanced humans, so anyone on the original who is somehow enhanced should curbstomp the 40K Marines. It's GW published canon, so it must be true!

Those couple of hacks also include the people who write the codices, like Gav.

And if you seriously haven't been paying attention, nothing in 40k is consistent. You have to average it if you want any sort of consistency. The only thing that actually is somewhat consistent is FFG, although even that system can have hiccups.

Also, given that repetition tends to mean a pattern, meaning consistency, you're grabbing a low end from a single book series and a single author. The wall of quotes I posted were from multiple authors, multiple books, and multiple series. Making them to appear more factual then taking a single example and attempting to use it to invalidate numerous sources instead. Of course you're also being dishonest, considering that when the Ghosts took on the Chaos Space Marines, they also had a railgun bow laced with poison strong enough to kill a mortal human.

And no again, the Black Library books are published by GW, just as the Codices are. Or have you not actually bothered to check the codices and rulebooks to see that they have authors and artists as well, who like Black Library material, vary incredibly? There is zero consistency in 40k. You can't hold any single source by GW above any other.

 Iron_Captain wrote:


Also, not all entries have a weapon yet. Get to work guys!

People need to suggest them. Its not my idea to come up with the weapons XD

 Wyzilla wrote:
And no again, the Black Library books are published by GW, just as the Codices are. Or have you not actually bothered to check the codices and rulebooks to see that they have authors and artists as well, who like Black Library material, vary incredibly? There is zero consistency in 40k. You can't hold any single source by GW above any other.

Yes you can. You could hold material published by the main GW studio over that of GW subsidiaries such as BL and FW.
And the codices and rulebooks may not be coherent either, but they are still not as contradictory as BL material because they are written by a much smaller group of authors.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Actually the Tau was perfectly explained. He was a champion of Khorne.

That doesn't really explain anything. He would be the first champion of Khorn ever to be capable of such feats that would warrant an instant elevation to deamonhood. He slew a greater deamon all on his own, even Sanguinius was barely capable of that.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Yes you can. You could hold material published by the main GW studio over that of GW subsidiaries such as BL and FW.
And the codices and rulebooks may not be coherent either, but they are still not as contradictory as BL material because they are written by a much smaller group of authors.

And who deems that omission as objectively right? You?

BL is as canon as studio fluff. It seems less consistent because there's much more of it.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
That doesn't really explain anything. He would be the first champion of Khorn ever to be capable of such feats that would warrant an instant elevation to deamonhood. He slew a greater deamon all on his own, even Sanguinius was barely capable of that.

Sanguinius fought Ka'bandha, described as the greatest champion of Khorne to manifest in the mortal realm. He is not standard in any way.

They include some of the people who write some of the codexes.

The inconsistency of GW material is our entire point. It's one of the reasons I'm getting out of the hobby altogether.

You're saying to basically include all of it that agrees with your point, but not the other stuff.
I only gave one example just to prove that there is GW canon that goes completely counter to your hardon for 40K Marines.

Essentially, you want to use Movie Marines. I don't, because they're a) physically and biologically impossible and b) stupid.

We're saying to disregard the really stupid stuff. Or to disregard all of it except the old descriptions of what enhancements Marines actually get and go from there to get a fair(er) comparison versus other enhanced warriors. You know, the implanted extra organs and stuff

 Ashiraya wrote:
Sanguinius fought Ka'bandha, described as the greatest champion of Khorne to manifest in the mortal realm. He is not standard in any way.

The most powerful of Khorne's servants? Just like Doombreed, Angron and An'ggrath you mean? This perfectly illustrates the inconsistency of 40k.
Therefore I say that to determine how powerful a space marine is, we should not rely on such contradictory fluff statements. Rather we should look at the enhancements and equipment a sm has that changes him from a normal human into a sm and than determine what seems about reasonable with such enhancements.

I just remembered why I hate Wyzilla... Anways...

Wyzilla, you do realize that any book with Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, etc. as the protagonists shows them curbstomping Space Marines as if they were Imperial Guard, right? Most of what I saw in your post was just bad fluff writing. GW itself has said not to trust BL as canon, because it IS.NOT.CANON. By the logic of what you showed, the IoM should be in total dominance of the galaxy with no major threats, simply because of OMG SPESS MEHRINES AH SO AWWWEESOOMMMMEEE!!!!


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Yes you can. You could hold material published by the main GW studio over that of GW subsidiaries such as BL and FW.
And the codices and rulebooks may not be coherent either, but they are still not as contradictory as BL material because they are written by a much smaller group of authors.

And who deems that omission as objectively right? You?

BL is as canon as studio fluff. It seems less consistent because there's much more of it.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
That doesn't really explain anything. He would be the first champion of Khorn ever to be capable of such feats that would warrant an instant elevation to deamonhood. He slew a greater deamon all on his own, even Sanguinius was barely capable of that.

Sanguinius fought Ka'bandha, described as the greatest champion of Khorne to manifest in the mortal realm. He is not standard in any way.

There are several uber-powerful Champions of Khorne and Greater Daemons, but I agree with you on that point. Not standard at all.

Also, BL is too contradictory to be complete canon. You have Space Marines moving FTL in one novel, then you have them moving sluggishly in comparison with the Eldar in the next. You have a Space Marine getting half of his skull blown off and still fighting in one novel, then you have a Space Marine getting shot in the face with an ordinary lasgun and dying in the next. You have a Librarian with the same powers as Super Man in one novel, then you have Mephiston gettin' his ass kicked by some insignificants in the next. You see the inconsistencies there? If you see something that is directly contradicted by two or more other pieces of fluff, then it is not canon. If you see something so ridiculously illogical that you take a double take, then disregard it as non-canon. Logic is your friend. Use it.


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Give Riddick a bad-ass knife capable of piercing the weakpoints in Astartes Power Armour


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And give Walker Texas Ranger the fist that's hidden underneath his beard. Or a roundhouse kick. Give him a roundhouse kick.

I'm always amazed that people still believe that there is a canon for 40k. - It goes against the entire ethos of the setting of the game ( in my opinion anyhow).

"Everything you have been told is a lie."