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It's not quite that easy.

The Nanosuit 1 once tanked an orbital beam weapon named 'Archangel' whose firepower was enough to obliterate New York. The Nanosuit was critically damaged after this, however, and the man inside died not long after.

The Nanosuit 1 also survived an EMP blast calculated as equivalent to a 30 kiloton bomb, but was temporarily disabled by the hit.

The Nanosuit 2 is far better in every aspect than the Nanosuit 1, but we can't know exactly how well.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
So no fans of classic scifi here who have any idea what a Protector is capable of then?

And I don't just mean physically - they're much, much smarter than all of the other contestants combined...

You mean a Pak Protector from Niven's Known Space? Fighting beasts truly, but I think the rules leave aliens out...

Correct, but Jack Brennan (and others in that universe, too) is a human modified by the Pak retrovirus into a human Protector, so if other genetically modifed humans such as 40K Space Marines can enter, so can he.

Edit: Also, if this Prophet guy is basically immune to conventional weapons as well as tactical nukes, he's basically unbeatable, and therefore out of the competition.

Basically.

Anyone that is basically unable to be killed by conventional weapons are not allowed.

Maybe you should just come out and say this is a competition for the toughest marines in sci-fi, only 40k marines can apply? Still going to lose to chuck norris though.

I'd like to toss Commander Shepard in for consideration. Armament probably depends on which class we're assuming but given all the armour in the matchups Infiltrator and the Black Widow are probably the best choices.

 Torga_DW wrote:
Maybe you should just come out and say this is a competition for the toughest marines in sci-fi, only 40k marines can apply? Still going to lose to chuck norris though.

What?

Read the bloody rules.

Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

 Jihadin wrote:
Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

No.

One weapon.

Anymore than one and it does not count. I will give them a single weapon though.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

No.

One weapon.

Anymore than one and it does not count. I will give them a single weapon though.

And the elemental pilot doesn't get to wear his elemental suit. read the rules.

*Female Zentraedi in power armor

*Roy Fokker in a Veritech in battle mode LIKE A BOSS.

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Clan Elemental
Taman Malthas

Jade Falcon variant Elemental Armor packing
one shot SRM 2
AP Gauss Rifle
Flamer
Micro Pulse Laser

No.

One weapon.

Anymore than one and it does not count. I will give them a single weapon though.

And the elemental pilot doesn't get to wear his elemental suit. read the rules.

I said a character can only have one weapon.

But there is a trade off..... All Marines in this match up have the same equipment, and weaponry, (And they will know how to use the weaponry) except for one thing: they are allowed to carry one weapon that is not a super weapon or conventional weapon (To be determined by Vote).

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 Frazzled wrote:
*Female Zentraedi in power armor

*Roy Fokker in a Veritech in battle mode LIKE A BOSS.

I have no knowledge who they are XD

I might need to read some stuff after my next break.

 Frazzled wrote:
*Female Zentraedi in power armor

*Roy Fokker in a Veritech in battle mode LIKE A BOSS.

He'd need rick hunter's theme playing for maximum win.

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

Well small arms fire meaning the weapons of that universe.

40k marines can enter, but it was up to everyone to what armor would be worn.

I choose then...

 Jihadin wrote:
I choose then...

Okay

Armed with his mechanical arm then?

As long as he does not possess a philosophers stone it will be fine.

Han Solo.




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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
If it's the Nanosuit 2.0, it obliterates everyone else in melee.

By Crysis 3 Prophet is an immortal cyborg who canonically cannot die (death is just a game mechanic), is far stronger and faster then any space marine or equivalent, and IIRC has a lensing field. Plus the suit literally eats that which it kills and assimilates the DNA into its own hardware.

However if they all had their usual armament, the Starship Trooper would murder everyone with tactical nuke launchers.

Idk, the nanosuit 1 can tank a nuke and the nanosuit 2 is even tougher.

And yes, he does have a lensing field. It's why the weapons go invisible too. It's crazy.

Just to explain what the kind of stuff is "normal" for the Marauder suit, it's supposed to be able to jump right over buildings per normal action. Plus then there's the Starship Troopers anime, which I've heard to be both insane and true to the book.

Don't feth with Grandpa.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
It's not quite that easy.

The Nanosuit 1 once tanked an orbital beam weapon named 'Archangel' whose firepower was enough to obliterate New York. The Nanosuit was critically damaged after this, however, and the man inside died not long after.

The Nanosuit 1 also survived an EMP blast calculated as equivalent to a 30 kiloton bomb, but was temporarily disabled by the hit.

The Nanosuit 2 is far better in every aspect than the Nanosuit 1, but we can't know exactly how well.

Also, barring dsingergration, it's canon that death is just a game mechanic for those wearing the Nanosuit 2.0. By Crysis 3 the suit has completely assimilated Alcatraz's corpse and eaten his heart and lungs. He doesn't need to breathe or require blood.


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jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff

Fenix armed with lancer

Doom Guy armed with the BFG

Duke nukeum armed with the ____
Boba Fett armed with _____
Dutch (Predator) armed with _______
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with _____
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)

Edward Elric armed with Alchemy

All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

I don't know who the Battletech guy is though, what's he capable of (the elemental)?

Asherian Command wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

Well small arms fire meaning the weapons of that universe.

40k marines can enter, but it was up to everyone to what armor would be worn.

Small arms fire and conventional weapons in the 40k universe is lasguns and las pistols. Marines are resistant in both fluff & game, so by your own rules marines are out.

Wyzilla wrote:

Just to explain what the kind of stuff is "normal" for the Marauder suit, it's supposed to be able to jump right over buildings per normal action. Plus then there's the Starship Troopers anime, which I've heard to be both insane and true to the book.

Don't feth with Grandpa.

Read the rules of the 'competition', you get the pilot not the marauder suit. So just an 'average' human but you get to vote on whether he gets carapace armour or not.

Wyzilla wrote:All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

I don't know who the Battletech guy is though, what's he capable of (the elemental)?

None of the guys you've listed are able to take their armour. This is another troll competition, just like his last hanzo greatest assassin thread. Hence, chuck norris wins.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned juicers yet.

 Torga_DW wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:



Rules-

Do not include heroes that are resistant to small arms fire or conventional weapons.

So no 40K marines then.

The answer is Supreme Commander, by the way. We can all go home now.

Well small arms fire meaning the weapons of that universe.

40k marines can enter, but it was up to everyone to what armor would be worn.

Small arms fire and conventional weapons in the 40k universe is lasguns and las pistols. Marines are resistant in both fluff & game, so by your own rules marines are out.

Wyzilla wrote:

Just to explain what the kind of stuff is "normal" for the Marauder suit, it's supposed to be able to jump right over buildings per normal action. Plus then there's the Starship Troopers anime, which I've heard to be both insane and true to the book.

Don't feth with Grandpa.

Read the rules of the 'competition', you get the pilot not the marauder suit. So just an 'average' human but you get to vote on whether he gets carapace armour or not.

Wyzilla wrote:All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

I don't know who the Battletech guy is though, what's he capable of (the elemental)?

None of the guys you've listed are able to take their armour. This is another troll competition, just like his last hanzo greatest assassin thread. Hence, chuck norris wins.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned juicers yet.

There is no suit for Prophet. He IS the suit. Otherwise though the Astartes probably curbstomps everyone but the Spartan with casual swats of the hand.

Well, we are a 40k forum...
Isn't the Astartes crushing all before him what we want to see?

Also, the Cylon would be armed with a built-in, three-barreled machinegun.

Apparently so.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Well, we are a 40k forum...
Isn't the Astartes crushing all before him what we want to see?

Also, the Cylon would be armed with a built-in, three-barreled machinegun.

Prophet still brutally murders him though considering he is the post-human cyborg suit. By Crysis 3 there's almost certainly nobody even in the suit, and during Crysis 2 it's just Alcatraz, who's a corpse sustained by the suit. Hell, even in the beginning of Crysis 2 when Prophet was still "alive" as the original Prophet, he was dying from the virus brought by the Ceph.

Although I haven't played Crysis 3, at the very lease, Prophet would be at the same relative craziness level as an Astartes (especially when you start counting up the various organs, black carapace etc).

Which, you've got to admit, is pretty darn impressive, considering 40k was designed to be the most OTT of OTT OTT things that could ever be could be considered over the top.

Generally speaking though, there is the sorta flaw here, where when you start discounting suits / armour, etc. All that really leaves you with in the 'top tier' are the genetically engineered soldier types

 Compel wrote:
Although I haven't played Crysis 3, at the very lease, Prophet would be at the same relative craziness level as an Astartes (especially when you start counting up the various organs, black carapace etc).

Which, you've got to admit, is pretty darn impressive, considering 40k was designed to be the most OTT of OTT OTT things that could ever be could be considered over the top.

Generally speaking though, there is the sorta flaw here, where when you start discounting suits / armour, etc. All that really leaves you with in the 'top tier' are the genetically engineered soldier types

Oh no, outside of freak examples of Astartes, Prophet should be much stonger. A large portion of his entire body is made up of carbon nanotubes.

I think Elric has a chance because of his powers.

I might add Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean he still can die from conventional weapons. He just can't die from age.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I think Elric has a chance because of his powers.

I might add Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean he still can die from conventional weapons. He just can't die from age.

Add a Brute Chieftain with a Grav hammer. He wouldn't even need armour; his skin is as thick as Astartes skin. Plus, he could bulldoze through Spartan IIs with his bare hands, so I think he could give an Astartes a run for his money - especially with a GRAV HAMMER!!!


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Seriously. You can't be adding all of these random non-marine people if you don't add aliens too.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I think Elric has a chance because of his powers.

I might add Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I mean he still can die from conventional weapons. He just can't die from age.

Add a Brute Chieftain with a Grav hammer. He wouldn't even need armour; his skin is as thick as Astartes skin. Plus, he could bulldoze through Spartan IIs with his bare hands, so I think he could give an Astartes a run for his money - especially with a GRAV HAMMER!!!


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Seriously. You can't be adding all of these random non-marine people if you don't add aliens too.

Sure I'll do that.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff

Fenix armed with lancer

Doom Guy armed with the BFG

Duke nukeum armed with the ____
Boba Fett armed with _____
Dutch (Predator) armed with _______
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with _____
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)

Edward Elric armed with Alchemy

All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

So apparently the trash-talk has already begun.

While I'll back that statement for unaugmented humans, I will have to disagree on people (taking the term loosely here) like a Cylon and a Protector. Cylons are robots, although I'm not sure where they fall on the power scaleh ere.
Pak Protectors are physically comparable to a 40K Space Marine (enhanced strength and greatly enhanced speed and agility, extra heart, no fused ribcage, but leathery, hth-weapons-bounce-off-it-tough skin; don't spit acid, but can bite your arm off) and much, much, much smarter.
Assuming otherwise equal equipment and no invincible intelligent nano-suits (unless everyone gets one), I would very much bet on the Protector to win this, simply because he is physically more-or-less equal to the strongest "normal" contestants with the added benefit of a supergenius level intellect.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

jack o'neill or teal'c armed with Ma'Tok staff

Fenix armed with lancer

Doom Guy armed with the BFG

Duke nukeum armed with the ____
Boba Fett armed with _____
Dutch (Predator) armed with _______
Sly Marbo armed with a rusty can?
Cylon armed with _____
Briaereos armed with ____
Walker: Texas Ranger armed with _____
Riddick armed with ____
Jack Brennan armed with Spy Gun
Dirty Hairy armed with a magnum.
Rama armed with a silenced M-16, (The Raid)
Rick Grimes armed with a Colt Magnum, (Walking Dead)
Booker Dewitt armed with a Hand Cannon, (Bioshock Infinite)

Edward Elric armed with Alchemy

All of the guys left on this list are completely worthless and would die in very, very short order against a Spartan, Astartes, Nanosuit 2.0, Terran Marine, etc. They're not even close to the same level as the participants removed and would just die without a prayer of winning.

So apparently the trash-talk has already begun.

While I'll back that statement for unaugmented humans, I will have to disagree on people (taking the term loosely here) like a Cylon and a Protector. Cylons are robots, although I'm not sure where they fall on the power scaleh ere.
Pak Protectors are physically comparable to a 40K Space Marine (enhanced strength and greatly enhanced speed and agility, extra heart, no fused ribcage, but leathery, hth-weapons-bounce-off-it-tough skin; don't spit acid, but can bite your arm off) and much, much, much smarter.
Assuming otherwise equal equipment and no invincible intelligent nano-suits (unless everyone gets one), I would very much bet on the Protector to win this, simply because he is physically more-or-less equal to the strongest "normal" contestants with the added benefit of a supergenius level intellect.

Unless they can run around fifty miles per hour or lift 1,000+ pounds without even breaking a sweat, they aren't on the level of an Astartes. Or punch through metal.

Although everyone's still dead because of Prophet breaking the rules of combat. Without people bringing stuff like meltaguns to play, it's impossible to hard-kill Prophet. The only way to kill him is to damage him so completely that the nanites can't regenerate from the damage like a Necron.

While I don't offhand have hard numbers for a Protector's bench-press capacity, fifty miles per hour is certainly doable for them. They can also withstand G-forces of 5 gees indefinitely (maybe more, but 5 gees is what the stories have so far shown), and I'm pretty sure an Astartes can only punch through solid metal when wearing power armour.

1) Necrons were already disqualified for being unkillable, so that puts the nail in the coffin for Pophet being allowed to enter. Or it should.

2) The tnuctip spy gun can do that. It has several modes of operation, including, but not limited to, a grenade launcher, a laser, a length-adjustable monomolecular wire in a stasis field, a disintegrator, (causes atoms to fly away from the target in all directions by suppressing the negative charge of an electron) and a self-destruct which turns it into a fusion bomb.