I am seriously concerned about the next generation of kids, growing up in this world.
I feel that labels for everything is NOT what to do because it gives them excuses to be little gaks.
Parents are getting softer (Except my family as a whole) and not putting their foot down.
Its why I hate alot of people my age, the spoilt gaks. For my miniatures? I have to go out at 7 am EVERY DAY (Even weekends) and deliver papers for £30 a week so my dependent stepfather and my mother wh cares for him have an extra 30 pounds.
Its these people who say that what I do is a waste of money when to be honest it's cheaper than buying the new iPhone every year since I have no debts or contracts to go with that.
This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory
Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there
KingCracker wrote: This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory
Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there
Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.
When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.
KingCracker wrote: This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory
Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there
Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.
When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.
Are you being serious, or is this a joke that does not work in writing?
well that may be his personal experience. Its been my experiene that kids with poor parenting turn out to be Criminals and such. I think you might be the exception to the rule, the proverbial cream rising to the top.
One of my biggest peeves with kids (and especially their idiot parents) these days, is just how massively undisciplined & obnoxiously rude they typically are. For example, I still enjoy the time I get to go for a morning walk with my mum, and we'll sit and have a drink/chat. Then along comes a gaggle of 2-4 young kids and their parents, who let the little Cretans scream their heads off, run around everywhere, and generally becomes a headache inducing distraction there's simply no way to possibly ignore.
And if you try to give the little gakkers a glare to try and let them know, "stop acting like a damn savage and screaming at the top your lungs", the parents, who were happily ignoring their kids because they're too busy gossiping/plugged into their stupid cell phone, rip into you about what a horrible person your for stifling their child's 'exploration' of their surroundings!
When kids are allowed to spend their earliest years learning this kind of "it's everyone else's problem/fault," they inevitably then grow to lack any kind of empathy or respect for others around them, have no discipline, and eventually turn into the spoiled little gaks kids are these days.
Maybe I'm just too old fashioned, but when I was a wee little bobbin, I was taught that if I ever acted like a damn animal in public, my mum & dad would discipline me, and we wouldn't be staying out wherever we were. (ie: shopping, having some McD's, going to see a movie, etc...)
My daughter just started dating a...Californian. I blame bad parents for that. Rodney has promised to bite his face off if I will pick him up and hold him at face level, and maybe get him a tasty treat while I am at it.
"mammas...don't let your babies grow up and date Californians..."
When kids are allowed to spend their earliest years learning this kind of "it's everyone else's problem/fault," they inevitably then grow to lack any kind of empathy or respect for others around them, have no discipline, and eventually turn into the spoiled little gaks kids are these days.
KingCracker wrote: This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory
Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there
Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.
When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.
This sounds like you are extrapolating your personal, anecdotal experience upon two populations of the whole.
As a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt, I'm allowed to point out your statistical flaws as "Complete Bull gak", or CBS for short.
I like how we've already got to "young people are terrible people," "rich people are terrible people," and "poor people are terrible people." Anyone want to blame a racial or religious minority and go for the prejudice hat trick?
Seriously though, this is not a new sentiment. Every generation feels like the one before it is too soft, too entitled, and lacks social graces compared to their own. There's probably a good psychological reason for this perception, since I doubt the human race has been stuck in an incremental cultural decline since the first generation of genetically distinct homo sapiens. ("These kids today are too soft I tell you. What with their fire and their fancy wheels. And have you seen those flint knives? Disgraceful. In our day, if you wanted to wear an animal skin, you had to chew it off! And you said 'thank you' to the tiger when you were done!")
Yeah kids these days are nonsense. I mean, my nephew is five years old, can you believe it! When I was his age, I was six. By the time he's six, he won't even be five anymore. Utter nonsense.
toasteroven wrote: Yeah kids these days are nonsense. I mean, my nephew is five years old, can you believe it! When I was his age, I was six. By the time he's six, he won't even be five anymore. Utter nonsense.
I know right. When I was a kid we wouldn't let a passing mastadon herd stop us from finishing our chores. Can you imagine what these weak willed ninnies would do if a herd of mastadon passed by? Would they even know it through all their Iphone noise?
Ahtman wrote: As long as we don't equate poor parenting with being economically poor.
gakky parenting knows no socioeconomic bounds, from my experience.
Just seems to manifest itself in different ways.
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Experiment 626 wrote: One of my biggest peeves with kids (and especially their idiot parents) these days, is just how massively undisciplined & obnoxiously rude they typically are. For example, I still enjoy the time I get to go for a morning walk with my mum, and we'll sit and have a drink/chat. Then along comes a gaggle of 2-4 young kids and their parents, who let the little Cretans scream their heads off, run around everywhere, and generally becomes a headache inducing distraction there's simply no way to possibly ignore.
Parents letting their kids scream and run around outside?
Jimsolo wrote: I like how we've already got to "young people are terrible people," "rich people are terrible people," and "poor people are terrible people." Anyone want to blame a racial or religious minority and go for the prejudice hat trick?
Seriously though, this is not a new sentiment. Every generation feels like the one before it is too soft, too entitled, and lacks social graces compared to their own. There's probably a good psychological reason for this perception, since I doubt the human race has been stuck in an incremental cultural decline since the first generation of genetically distinct homo sapiens. ("These kids today are too soft I tell you. What with their fire and their fancy wheels. And have you seen those flint knives? Disgraceful. In our day, if you wanted to wear an animal skin, you had to chew it off! And you said 'thank you' to the tiger when you were done!")
Exalted. Go back X years, and you will always find people solemnly stating that their generation was the pinnacle of human civilisation, and it was all downhill from here. No matter when the OP was born, I can 100% guarantee people were saying the exact same things about his / her generation.
Which isn't to say that children today don't have issues that their parents didn't, but they also have challenges and influences that their parents didn't, and I can't say I'd have come out better or worse if I'd grown up in today's world. Gender roles are much less ironclad (and often, more confusing), social media is an integral part of their world rather than a relatively new innovation, and pornography is much more readily available, to name only three things that have changed.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: I am seriously concerned about the next generation of kids, growing up in this world.
I feel that labels for everything is NOT what to do because it gives them excuses to be little gaks.
Parents are getting softer (Except my family as a whole) and not putting their foot down.
Its why I hate alot of people my age, the spoilt gaks. For my miniatures? I have to go out at 7 am EVERY DAY (Even weekends) and deliver papers for £30 a week so my dependent stepfather and my mother wh cares for him have an extra 30 pounds.
Its these people who say that what I do is a waste of money when to be honest it's cheaper than buying the new iPhone every year since I have no debts or contracts to go with that.
What are your thoughts Dakka?
My thoughts are you're aiming to potentially miss out on a lot fun years in your life. I'm guessing from the "my age", paper delivery and stepfather talk you're roughly about... high school age. There are a lot of potential good friends and great times to be had with those "spoilt gaks" but you'll not have any of either if you just sit wallowing around in smug righteous indignation.
You know what dude? Those folks all have their own lives and their own problems and maybe they just enjoy playing some games, or looking at the friends photos or whatever. Also I'm willing to be 9/10 chance the only reason they brought up you "wasting money" is because you went trash-talking their candy ninja or their fruit crush, or flappyville or whatever with some talk about how your hobbies require real skill or art or other crap.
The current generation is fine, the future generation is fine. It's mostly filled with good people who just want to get along in life and have some fun. De-clench your teeth a little bit, relax your butt and maybe just try to have a good time without looking down on anyone. Eh? Give it a try?
Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?
Frazzled wrote: Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?
These are totally different kinds of issues than the ones being brought up by OP. Seriously this is what your post is like:
OP: "Young people are stupid jerks with no priorities. They're spoiled and don't get punished by their parents enough. My 40k miniature are way more sensible than their stupid iPhones"
ME: "Young people aren't jerks, stop being so smug and superior. Seriously you're going to waste some really good years being all alone on your delusional high horse"
YOU: "How is any of that true? The economy is all fethed, and the terrorism is everywhere"
Frazzled wrote: Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?
Because all of that has happened before, people lamented and somehow, the human race soldiered on. Does this generation have a lot of problems to cope with, like every other one before that? Of course, and many of those problems deserve to be addressed and improved. Will they represent a terminal decline in human morality and civilisation, the same accusation that's been levelled at literally every other generation? Of course not.
There's also the effect of media saturation to consider, where every crisis and possible problem will have 24-hour coverage, and talking heads and screamer headlines warning us about how the Issue Du Jour is surely a ticking timebomb that will cause an apocalypse in a conveniently vague 5-15 years.
Of course, 20 years from now, most of those fears will have turned out to be unfounded, and that will contribute to the 2010's being seen as a good time, after which the 2020 generation began screwing everything up. It's like how when someone talks about how great the 50's or 60's were, they know that the fears of nuclear war turned out to be unfounded, and downplay them in their memories or accounts of the time.
Frazzled wrote: Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?
These are totally different kinds of issues than the ones being brought up by OP. Seriously this is what your post is like:
OP: "Young people are stupid jerks with no priorities. They're spoiled and don't get punished by their parents enough. My 40k miniature are way more sensible than their stupid iPhones"
ME: "Young people aren't jerks, stop being so smug and superior. Seriously you're going to waste some really good years being all alone on your delusional high horse"
YOU: "How is any of that true? The economy is all fethed, and the terrorism is everywhere"
You're right. I forgot to mention young people are jerks with no priorities who constantly try to get on my lawn. Except our neighbor who is about 4. "Hello excuse me! Yes I was playing ball and it went over the fence" Polite but respectfully assertive. Excellent lad.
Frazzled wrote: Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?
Because all of that has happened before, people lamented and somehow, the human race soldiered on. Does this generation have a lot of problems to cope with, like every other one before that? Of course, and many of those problems deserve to be addressed and improved. Will they represent a terminal decline in human morality and civilisation, the same accusation that's been levelled at literally every other generation? Of course not.
There's also the effect of media saturation to consider, where every crisis and possible problem will have 24-hour coverage, and talking heads and screamer headlines warning us about how the Issue Du Jour is surely a ticking timebomb that will cause an apocalypse in a conveniently vague 5-15 years.
Your cautious optimism and measured patience have no place on Dakka. Begone foul cheerful demon!
toasteroven wrote: Yeah kids these days are nonsense. I mean, my nephew is five years old, can you believe it! When I was his age, I was six. By the time he's six, he won't even be five anymore. Utter nonsense.
Literally laughed out loud in my cube at work when I read this
Frazzled wrote: Seriously, I will say this. Kids cannot focus as well as the past. This is not the kids, this is the distraction of technology.
What specific point in the past are we talking about here?
Does it matter? The human mind is a flexible tool that adapts as appropriate to the environment it is in. An 8th century peasant farmer would likely be critical of any of us for being unable to manually raise crops, while saying we were preoccupied with bathing (EVERY DAY?!?). If "kids these days" are unable to focus on singular tasks and are paying attention to technology and media it's only because those are the relevant skills for getting along these days. If kids aren't focusing it's only evidence that kind of focusing just isn't as important a skill anymore. \
Perhaps it just means that technology has done for "focus" what is has done for manually tilling soil, making it a far less relevant skill.
Not that I'm saying "kids these days" can't focus I'm just saying if we concede that point it's hardly a sign of some kind of decline, only a change.
Frazzled wrote: Seriously, I will say this. Kids cannot focus as well as the past. This is not the kids, this is the distraction of technology.
What specific point in the past are we talking about here?
Most any point. The consumer level of technology has never been at this level. Studies are showing almost autistic levels of distraction for today's nefarious youth in some instances.
There are two girls at my work. The same age. One is a supervisor, the other is a window grunt(window being the lowest there) both started the same time. The supervisor got promoted withing here first year of being there, the other jelous.
The one girl yelled at the other saying she didnt deserve her promotion, that she works just as hard. the Supervisor said "All your generation wants is to sit around, come to work and get everything handed to you without hard work"
My point being, everyone thinks the younger generation is worse, even if they are part of your generation. I say the same thing.
Frazzled wrote: My daughter just started dating a...Californian. I blame bad parents for that. Rodney has promised to bite his face off if I will pick him up and hold him at face level, and maybe get him a tasty treat while I am at it.
"mammas...don't let your babies grow up and date Californians..."
Frazzled, Im surprised how little faith you have in your Daughter. She is trying to infiltrate and destroy California from the inside.
Experiment 626 wrote: One of my biggest peeves with kids (and especially their idiot parents) these days, is just how massively undisciplined & obnoxiously rude they typically are. For example, I still enjoy the time I get to go for a morning walk with my mum, and we'll sit and have a drink/chat. Then along comes a gaggle of 2-4 young kids and their parents, who let the little Cretans scream their heads off, run around everywhere, and generally becomes a headache inducing distraction there's simply no way to possibly ignore.
Parents letting their kids scream and run around outside?
For shame....
My bad, I should have explained it better... We like to go for a walk, but then sit to have a drink/chat, maybe a snack inside at the little café area of the supermarket. Large, high ceiling buildings can make for some great echo chambers when kids are determined to be as huge of a menace as they possibly can be! It's even worse if we're out say, running errands at the mall and then sit down at the food court...
I don't expect total silence, but for feth's sake, there's times I want to murder some of these so-called parents who let their kids run around while you're carrying trays of hot food, or else ignore their infant/toddler who's been screaming at the top of their lungs for 10+ minutes because they're too busy texting.
Hell, the one time I was in a leg brace after having torn some ligaments in my knee, some dumb*** mother decided to let their kid play Nascar with their stroller. The kid of course couldn't see over the top of the thing, came strait at me, and I was forced to dodge (badly) out of the way. Then the stupid ***** turns around and let's into me for nearly hitting her kid!
I was sorely tempted to pick up the kid, and swing it feet first into this dumb gak's screeching face...
d-usa wrote: I can fall in both the Generation X and Millennial groups.
I must suck twice as bad as the other generations.
I'm the same way. I'm right on the edge as far as birth years go, but my upbringing and how I identify is definitely more Generation X than Millennial.
Old people suck, young people ruin everything, everyone should go back to their respective countries, damn commies, filthy capitalists, lazy working class, good for nothing upper class, arahrgahrg the right wing, raghagahg the left wing, but worst of all.... cat people, they're the lowest of the low. I hate them, they should all be murdered violently.
Frazzled wrote: My daughter just started dating a...Californian. I blame bad parents for that. Rodney has promised to bite his face off if I will pick him up and hold him at face level, and maybe get him a tasty treat while I am at it.
"mammas...don't let your babies grow up and date Californians..."
Frazzled, Im surprised how little faith you have in your Daughter. She is trying to infiltrate and destroy California from the inside.
I wasn't aware California needed the help. A wiener-dog wielding teenager seems like it can only improve the taint of America.
Also, Red, the republican comment was amazing. Well done, good sir!!
d-usa wrote: I can fall in both the Generation X and Millennial groups.
I must suck twice as bad as the other generations.
I'm the same way. I'm right on the edge as far as birth years go, but my upbringing and how I identify is definitely more Generation X than Millennial.
According to a google search, I'm supposed to be a Millenial... but I also identify more with the Gen X'ers
Kids are rude and selfish and lazy, and they have it too easy. They always have.
Rich families produce children who are entitled turds. Always have been.
The poor produce children who are violent thugs. As they always have.
While we’re at it, there’s too much violence on our streets, healthcare is too expensive, people aren’t saving enough for retirement, and foreigners are taking our jobs. All things that are always true.
Frazzled wrote: Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?
It’s safe to assume the current generation is fine, because every generation turns out fine. Incomes are lower than they should be, but they still give a higher standard of living than most people lived through most modern history. The stock market is down, but the capital value is still vastly greater than it’s been through almost all modern history. Some middle class kids are joining death cults, but they joined a whole bunch of awful cults in greater numbers through the 70s.
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Elemental wrote: Because all of that has happened before, people lamented and somehow, the human race soldiered on. Does this generation have a lot of problems to cope with, like every other one before that? Of course, and many of those problems deserve to be addressed and improved. Will they represent a terminal decline in human morality and civilisation, the same accusation that's been levelled at literally every other generation? Of course not.
It’s kind amazing that we can summarise the angst about ‘kids these days’ in one of two forms; “kids these days have it too easy” and “kids these days have all new problems that we never had to deal with”
VorpalBunny74 wrote: Isn't anyone else just. . . quietly hopeful about the next generation? I'm optimistic.
I see some stories pop up here and there that do... I think that, from talking to other parents of an age with me and the wife, a lot of us see certain things our forebears did "wrong" and are trying to "fix" those issues so that our kids aren't screwed up the same way we were.
VorpalBunny74 wrote: Isn't anyone else just. . . quietly hopeful about the next generation? I'm optimistic.
I think the only prediction that works out over time, more or less, is that things get better, slowly. So yeah, I think the most likely thing for my kid is that she'l be a little better off, have learned some slightly better and healthier ways of seeing the world, and be a little safer from accidents and violence than my generation.
VorpalBunny74 wrote: Yeah, I'm the same with my daughter - I just hope in trying to avoid the mistakes our parents made, I don't make even worse ones.
I think that's what all "good" parents generally try to do... remember you had the parents who grew up getting whooped for seemingly everything, raised kids in the "participation trophy" generation. Now, those of us who caught part of that, are trying to find a happy medium between self-esteem and discipline.
VorpalBunny74 wrote: Yeah, I'm the same with my daughter - I just hope in trying to avoid the mistakes our parents made, I don't make even worse ones.
Honestly, I’ll be really happy if I can be as good a parent to my kid as my parents were to me.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: I think that's what all "good" parents generally try to do... remember you had the parents who grew up getting whooped for seemingly everything, raised kids in the "participation trophy" generation. Now, those of us who caught part of that, are trying to find a happy medium between self-esteem and discipline.
And this generation is the involvement generation. Your kids aren't to have a kick around with friends, they're organised in sports teams and the parents will be there to watch them play. Your kids get homework you have to go through it with them. I can see how it's come about, with people looking to high investment parent and all that and it isn't all bad, but just watch as our kids pledge to give their kids some freedom
And this generation is the involvement generation. Your kids aren't to have a kick around with friends, they're organised in sports teams and the parents will be there to watch them play. Your kids get homework you have to go through it with them. I can see how it's come about, with people looking to high investment parent and all that and it isn't all bad, but just watch as our kids pledge to give their kids some freedom
I can see the sports thing a bit... I know that when I played football, my dad never once missed a game, and he only missed one track meet due to work, because he supported my playing the sport.
As for the homework thing, I know once my daughter figured out how to read on her own, we simply ask her to read the instructions to us, explain what she's supposed to do, and let her do it. Sometimes we'll do a spot check after she says she's done to make sure she ain't lyin (she hasn't yet, about homework)
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: I am seriously concerned about the next generation of kids, growing up in this world.
I feel that labels for everything is NOT what to do because it gives them excuses to be little gaks.
Parents are getting softer (Except my family as a whole) and not putting their foot down.
Its why I hate alot of people my age, the spoilt gaks. For my miniatures? I have to go out at 7 am EVERY DAY (Even weekends) and deliver papers for £30 a week so my dependent stepfather and my mother wh cares for him have an extra 30 pounds.
Its these people who say that what I do is a waste of money when to be honest it's cheaper than buying the new iPhone every year since I have no debts or contracts to go with that.
What are your thoughts Dakka?
My thoughts are you're aiming to potentially miss out on a lot fun years in your life. I'm guessing from the "my age", paper delivery and stepfather talk you're roughly about... high school age. There are a lot of potential good friends and great times to be had with those "spoilt gaks" but you'll not have any of either if you just sit wallowing around in smug righteous indignation.
You know what dude? Those folks all have their own lives and their own problems and maybe they just enjoy playing some games, or looking at the friends photos or whatever. Also I'm willing to be 9/10 chance the only reason they brought up you "wasting money" is because you went trash-talking their candy ninja or their fruit crush, or flappyville or whatever with some talk about how your hobbies require real skill or art or other crap.
The current generation is fine, the future generation is fine. It's mostly filled with good people who just want to get along in life and have some fun. De-clench your teeth a little bit, relax your butt and maybe just try to have a good time without looking down on anyone. Eh? Give it a try?
Nope, completely unprovoked, all I said was I started playing 40k and suddenly everyone hates me.
Humanity is weird.
d-usa wrote: I can fall in both the Generation X and Millennial groups.
I must suck twice as bad as the other generations.
I'm the same way. I'm right on the edge as far as birth years go, but my upbringing and how I identify is definitely more Generation X than Millennial.
Thats the thing, isn't it?
I think many of us that do fall in that "gap" can see a clear difference in how we were raised vs. how many in the Millennial generation were raised.
I think the biggest difference I see is the move from Parent as Parent to Parent as Buddy.
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Experiment 626 wrote: inside at the little café area of the supermarket. Large, high ceiling buildings can make for some great echo chambers when kids are determined to be as huge of a menace as they possibly can be!
I don't expect total silence, but for feth's sake, there's times I want to murder some of these so-called parents who let their kids run around while you're carrying trays of hot food, or else ignore their infant/toddler who's been screaming at the top of their lungs for 10+ minutes because they're too busy texting.
Ahhhh. Well that changes everything.
I'm NOT a fan of that. We're lucky in that ours doesn't (yet) make any public scenes, and is very good at restaurants, but the one time she was fussy we asked to have our food boxed, got the check, and left.
Being less than 18 I may sound a little hypocritical but yeah my generation contains some of the worst people I have ever met; perhaps its just the fact that I went to private school for most of my life but the majority of people my age seem to be interested in 3 things; sex, drugs and alcohol. Sure their young blah blah but most of them have 0 idea what they want to do and a few just plan to sponge around until their parents die and they inherit the money/business... Hey just the observations of a 17 year old public school boy.
That's because your not 18 yet. All adults are on best behaviour around you. Wait until you get out in to the real world and start interacting with them as equals.
the majority of people my age seem to be interested in 3 things; sex, drugs and alcohol. Sure their young blah blah but most of them have 0 idea what they want to do and a few just plan to sponge around until their parents die and they inherit the money/business...
Sounds like most 17 year olds ever. Most don't know what they want to do, and those that do vs rapt get a hell of a shock when their plans meat reality. I know two people whos life is even vaguely where they planed at age 17, and one of those hates the job they trained for and is actively looking for a change, and she is 27 and has only been at it for 5 years (following post grad education).
As for the sex, drugs and alcohol, that's not just 17 year olds. I'm 35 and I still have my fair shair of interest in two. Three if you include an unhealthy plasticrack problem. Like most people the drugs fell by the wayside when the legal realities and effect on work forced me to.
My plan for when I finally get around to children in a couple years is to try to keep them respectful and not that crybaby style of "respect", but actual respect.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: Basically people think that playing 40k is a waste of time.
So is downloading whatever drivel Ketchapp come out with next.
You give too much value to the words of people who don't matter in your life. Plus value is really subjective, something they value more would be worthless to you etc. Doesn't matter, no one really cares.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I can see the sports thing a bit... I know that when I played football, my dad never once missed a game, and he only missed one track meet due to work, because he supported my playing the sport.
My parents supported me playing sport and would always take me to games and get me whatever gear I needed, but they didn’t have to be there watching each game. And for a couple of seasons my Dad coached my cricket team. But there was never an expectation that he’d be there every week – there was a belief that I played because I wanted to, it was something I did for me.
Cricket is a bit different though. Even at juniors a match goes for more than 4 hours.
Anyhow, I’ve noticed that it seems to have changed a lot. There seems a lot more parental involvement, and an expectation that it will take up at least as much of the parent’s time as the kids. A cousin of mine is in t-ball, which is almost not a sport, and the amount expected of the parents was insane.
As for the homework thing, I know once my daughter figured out how to read on her own, we simply ask her to read the instructions to us, explain what she's supposed to do, and let her do it. Sometimes we'll do a spot check after she says she's done to make sure she ain't lyin (she hasn't yet, about homework)
Yeah, that’s more or less what I’d expect. But talking to some parents it seems there’s some really different ideas out there. One lady got quite high and mighty about it – she thought all parents should sit there every night with their kids. And most people seem closer to her than your example.
Hopefully that was just a weird batch of people, but I suspect it might what’s to come.
KingCracker wrote: This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory
Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there
Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.
When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.
This sounds like you are extrapolating your personal, anecdotal experience upon two populations of the whole.
As a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt, I'm allowed to point out your statistical flaws as "Complete Bull gak", or CBS for short.
I am a Six Sigma Green Belt, and I concur with this statement.
Also, OP you might want to recalibrate your Paretto Charts for your original hypothesis,
It's like how when someone talks about how great the 50's or 60's were, they know that the fears of nuclear war turned out to be unfounded, and downplay them in their memories or accounts of the time.
happens.
