Wondering who is in an area where the hobby is flourishing.

I know I am extremely happy with the 40K scene in my area. We havea few local leagues and 6 big tournaments every year.
We have friendly leauge and narrative events. People are going crazy for our game stores that have gaming tables.

the new and used market is just crazy. Mind you. I do wish I could get more value out of my used minis I get rid of to start new armies.

Our store is going nuts with 40k, and actually since I started the hobby 3 years ago, it seems to have attracted more people.

We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)

So if you happen to be in central Illinois, come check out a game.

My store has actually seen an increase in 40k activity in the last few days. I don't know if it'll last, but if it does I'm happy.

There's now a monthly tournament at one game store nearby and the local wargaming pages on Facebook have been pretty active. There's definitely more activity than during 6th edition. I'm finding that I'm having more fun too and planning out new armies in 40k and expanding into 30k with my Iron Warriors.

There's more 40k activity here in Baltimore than there was in Cleveland, despite there being roughly the same density of gaming stores. Compared to Ohio, I almost always see 40k being played when I pop into a FLGS.

Yep. Going strong here.

The ITC is flourishing, 40K is not.

The one store in my city of 250,000 people that sells anything WH sold a fair amount of miniatures when Kauyon and Tau came out. So that was neat. No tournaments though.

Yeppers doing well here. Very well, but as I've said time and again the prices of video games are getting stupid insane and quality is going down. Traditional games are on the rise in the entire city and 40k is a part of that boom in thanks to some excellent discounts which helps with our poor CAD.

40k is doing pretty well here, I think. Some shops have started up with extra 40k nights and that kind of thing, and I see a lot of peeps walking off with armfuls of models when it comes to sales days like Boxing Week. There has been an uptick in 2015 of people who have asked me if I'm interested in their group.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeppers doing well here. Very well, but as I've said time and again the prices of video games are getting stupid insane and quality is going down. Traditional games are on the rise in the entire city and 40k is a part of that boom in thanks to some excellent discounts which helps with our poor CAD.

The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games), Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo), and Halo 5 (knock-off of Halo games) during boxing week. God knows when I'll play them -- for Inquisition and Halo... literally, the only reason I bought them was to follow the story.

 Polonius wrote:
There's more 40k activity here in Baltimore than there was in Cleveland, despite there being roughly the same density of gaming stores. Compared to Ohio, I almost always see 40k being played when I pop into a FLGS.

Recess misses you! Hope to see you again at Adepticon.

-Josh

The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

Remind me again how many Space Marine kits you own?

To the nearest hundred?

It's pretty much dead, or really really good at hiding, where I am and pretty much limited to the local GW store (which I'm mildly surprised still exists)

That's mostly because of all the cheesy Eldar players, with their metal jet bikes and teeny tiny Avatars.

 Azreal13 wrote:
That's mostly because of all the cheesy Eldar players, with their metal jet bikes and teeny tiny Avatars.

Hush, and anyway that's mid-sized Avatar, I have another Avatar from I'd guess the early 90's that's even smaller, about Wraithguard size !

40k is dead at our club, heresy rains supreme, then infinity, then.... REALhammer

40k is pretty strong here in mid-Missouri. We have a dedicated open play night at my local FLGS and a tournament about every month. We have a pretty solid group of regulars and we regularly attract people from out of town to come play, so I would have to say the game is thriving around here.

40k goes through phases out here (NE Ohio). There are 3 game stores by me that sell 40k. One store is really trying to breathe life into the game with organized league play, but it has not grown larger than 8 folks.

Overall, it is really hit and miss. Other games like X-Wing, Super Dungeon Explore, and some others seem to be dominating the game scene right now.

In the Vancouver, BC area [as well as Vancouver Island], at least in my experience, there hasn't been any real surge in 40k, but it's still going strong.

I'm a LITTLE biased, because a majority of my gaming time is at the city's Games Workshop store, which is one of the best I know of, with five gaming tables, several staff and several tournaments a month [okay, some are just fun events or campaigns].

But don't get me wrong, I HAVE been to several FLGS, clubs, and independent tournaments over the last two years, and it seems like it's still going as strong as it was in 2009-2012, the last period where I was actively into the game and had money to expand armies.

Foodhammer, the last 40k tournament I went to, was a fairly big one, and it filled up fast. There was a waitlist in the week leading up to the event.

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

Because some people don't care. Because some people think they can justify things like that. It hasn't been addressed because it has been before, with both sides thinking they are either right or unwilling to change. So instead of derailing the topic we just smile and carry on.

 Ignatius wrote:

Because some people don't care. Because some people think they can justify things like that. It hasn't been addressed because it has been before, with both sides thinking they are either right or unwilling to change. So instead of derailing the topic we just smile and carry on.

So when you see somebody talking about how great it is to save $40 by stealing from their local game store, you just shrug your shoulders and say "people do it all the time, saying something probably won't change anybodies mind"?

Classy.

Well I played my first real game in a few years last week.

Since my arrival the number of 40k players in New Delhi has tripled (to three)!

What I found was it was fun but my concerns about the sheer volume and insanity of the rules are well founded. Too many special rules, too many charts, too many formations, too much @#$%.

And the models seem to be less convertible and less characterful these days. It seems like nothing since Ogre Kingdoms has had any whimsy to it.

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

Because some people don't care. Because some people think they can justify things like that. It hasn't been addressed because it has been before, with both sides thinking they are either right or unwilling to change. So instead of derailing the topic we just smile and carry on.

So when you see somebody talking about how great it is to save $40 by stealing from their local game store, you just shrug your shoulders and say "people do it all the time, saying something probably won't change anybodies mind"?

Classy.

Local game stores don't sell FW, in fact thanks to GW policy of sending stuff to FLGS, they offten don't have more then 1 item of normal w40k or WFB stuff either. If the stores doesn't sell it, then it can't be stealing.

Wondering who is in an area where the hobby is flourishing.

I know I am extremely happy with the 40K scene in my area. We havea few local leagues and 6 big tournaments every year.
We have friendly leauge and narrative events. People are going crazy for our game stores that have gaming tables.

How do you guys do it?

While I agree with Kid_Kyoto about silly rules and formations, I have recently arrived in Paris to find a nice FLGS where the 40k scene is tightly controlled by an "admin". The power level of the lists is always evaluated before being validated for play and we use some rule tweaks that make the game really enjoyable.

For example, our main scenario is the following:
- 650pts
- One (or more for bigger games) central objective and two auxiliary objectives. You have to start and finish your turn at 3'' of any objective to win 1 VP. Each auxiliary objective can only give you 2 VP before disappearing.
- Each player deploys and then sets one auxiliary objective in his opponent deployment zone. The player who goes second automatically win 1 VP and can move the central objectif 3'' toward his side.


This is very good to attenuate the proeminence of alpha strikes while forcing people to play offensively. No power builds, no freaking GW OP stuff, no WAAC and TFG since each match is reported so the group can share its feelings on a particular list or player's attitude.

These housemade rules have attracted roughly 20 players so far and we try to bring more if we can. We have a friendly league and episodic big 6v6 battles so 40k is far from dead in our area. But I have to recognize the store itself lives thanks to WMH, X Wing, Infinity and Magic. 40K cost is just to heavy to bear for them while selling fewer and fewer.

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

My Warhammer 40k group is expanding, both in players and armies. GW has us sold on 7th.

 Havok210 wrote:
40k goes through phases out here (NE Ohio). There are 3 game stores by me that sell 40k. One store is really trying to breathe life into the game with organized league play, but it has not grown larger than 8 folks.

Overall, it is really hit and miss. Other games like X-Wing, Super Dungeon Explore, and some others seem to be dominating the game scene right now.

You would be surprised of how many 40k players in the Youngstown area don't play at the shops. Most of us old boys get together at a buddies house on Fridays and Sunday's to play,there is about 15 of us who play in our group. There are about 4 or 5 basement groups that I know of in the Youngstown area who don't visit the shops to play. Some of the different members of these basements groups stop by on Friday nights to visit our group to see what's going on.

The orginnized league at that one shop your talking about is a total mess and won't attract to many. Guys are bringing IK in 750 pt games so it's more of a free for all then an escalation league. Unbound armies, play rules as written, no balance aspect what so ever in that league are major problems. Plus it involves money for a prize at the end and anytime you involve money it brings the worst out of people.

I don't play in the store really, only at friend's homes. I'm not in the age group of most of the regulars there. But there's plenty of plastic on the tables whenever I visit. Store Owner says 40k is doing well, but he makes most of his money still on MtG. He told me he can't sell AoS, everybody continues to play the last version of WHFB even if they buy the newer AoS models.

Iffy. It's definitely doing well at my store, but in my state it's a bit of a stall

We're still hosting 2 major and several minor tournaments with cash prizes, number of attendees keeps rising.

We switched back to 5th, though, as the vast majority extremely disliked the changes introduced with 6th and 7th was rejected by everyone.

 Sigvatr wrote:
We're still hosting 2 major and several minor tournaments with cash prizes, number of attendees keeps rising.

We switched back to 5th, though, as the vast majority extremely disliked the changes introduced with 6th and 7th was rejected by everyone.

My group is also going back to 5th. I don't mind 7th but the rest don't have the patience to deal with all the complicated rules introduced in 6th and 7th. If you don't know the rules really well then it can make the game dull having to look stuff up all the time. And even then the rules don't answer all the questions.

Here in West Texas we have a large 40k community with a couple of monthly tournaments. Having one of the countries largest military bases means we always have a good supply of wargamers.

In the next month we are getting our third independent retailer, and GW will be opening it's first store out here.

We have ~50 members which has increased greatly over the past year. This all said, a few of our most veteran players once tau dropped have "taken a leave of absence" from 40k, and have stuck to WMH and Infinity for the most part.

Essentially they haven't been happy since Necrons dropped with the direction of things. To each their own though!

40k is running on all cylinders both in Harrisburg, USA where I graduated college and am returning to and here in Swansea, UK where I am doing postgraduate uni.

30k especially is catching like wildfire.

Going strong here. Haters gonna hate.

@Makumba

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

Nope because:
- Lists are tightly controlled as I said, so there are never more than three jetbikes or so. It's only 650pts.
- Vehicules can't capture objectives unless they have WS > 1.
- I play my own IG codex with approbation of the admin and thus my army is quite fast.
- Even when there are jetbikes, tables are not that big so you are quickly at RF range + ignore cover orders and jetbikes suddenly become way less terrifying.

 RazgrizOne wrote:
@Makumba

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

Nope because:
- Lists are tightly controlled as I said, so there are never more than three jetbikes or so. It's only 650pts.
- Vehicules can't capture objectives unless they have WS > 1.
- I play my own IG codex with approbation of the admin and thus my army is quite fast.
- Even when there are jetbikes, tables are not that big so you are quickly at RF range + ignore cover orders and jetbikes suddenly become way less terrifying.

Purely out of curiosity, when you say "lists are tightly controlled," you mean that if the group feels a list is unfun or overpowered, that player must change their list? How is that a good state-of-the-game? If someone new joins your group and doesn't want to play that way, are they simply out of luck?

I'm not trying to be snide, but when I see people post stuff like this as though it shows the great health of the game, all I can think of is how fractured the community is...

My FLGS as the same small core group that doesn't shrink or grow. Meanwhile other games are growing.

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

Surely your avatar ("Yes it is." "No it isn't.") addresses this issue... at least a far as people on Dakka is concerned. Ignatius pretty much covered it:

 Ignatius wrote:
Because some people don't care. Because some people think they can justify things like that. It hasn't been addressed because it has been before, with both sides thinking they are either right or unwilling to change. So instead of derailing the topic we just smile and carry on.

If the game was so great, you wouldn't need a list Nazi limiting the points to lower than some individual models, having to approve or limit every unit in the game down to basic troops, etc. 650 is an HQ and 2 min units of thallax for my 30k army. Oh wait, my army would probably be banned even though I've spent hundreds of £s on authentic FW models and painted them to a high standard. Your group sounds awesome!

Having amazing success with running events based on the ITC rule set and FAQ.
switching from strict rulebook with on the fly judge rulings(which became a huge chore to keep track of over time) to the ITC set of rules has majorly helped grow the community here in my area. we consistently get around 12-18 players for our monthlys and are working on several big events. theres another store the next city over that runs neat "non competative" style events for the less tourney minded players. their doing highlander this month, should be fun!

our meta also isn't typical. our ork players tend to win out or place higher then out eldar players. though tau are doing quite well since the update. it's really nice to see an ork player do well through an entire event, puts things i read online on their heads.

Where I live 40k grew steadily in popularity starting with 2nd edition. There were several game stores I could go to and play 40k. But as GWs business practices became increasingly focused on pricing people out of the hobby, local interest waned. I saw fewer and fewer tournaments. RT tournaments had their GW sanctions withdrawn. Prices went up, sales went down. One by one stores began abandoning support for GW products. I tried hard to maintain the hobby but as fellow players appeared for games less and less frequently, eventually I too became a casualty. I still love the 40k universe, but playing the game has become an unsustainable practice for me as well as many people in my area.

 Talys wrote:
40k is doing pretty well here, I think. Some shops have started up with extra 40k nights and that kind of thing, and I see a lot of peeps walking off with armfuls of models when it comes to sales days like Boxing Week. There has been an uptick in 2015 of people who have asked me if I'm interested in their group.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeppers doing well here. Very well, but as I've said time and again the prices of video games are getting stupid insane and quality is going down. Traditional games are on the rise in the entire city and 40k is a part of that boom in thanks to some excellent discounts which helps with our poor CAD.

The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games), Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo), and Halo 5 (knock-off of Halo games) during boxing week. God knows when I'll play them -- for Inquisition and Halo... literally, the only reason I bought them was to follow the story.

From what I can find, only Guardian Games still does 40k in the Portland metro region.

Have fun with your consoles, I'm going into the next dimension. They even have 40k in here.

 Talys wrote:
40k is doing pretty well here, I think. Some shops have started up with extra 40k nights and that kind of thing, and I see a lot of peeps walking off with armfuls of models when it comes to sales days like Boxing Week. There has been an uptick in 2015 of people who have asked me if I'm interested in their group.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeppers doing well here. Very well, but as I've said time and again the prices of video games are getting stupid insane and quality is going down. Traditional games are on the rise in the entire city and 40k is a part of that boom in thanks to some excellent discounts which helps with our poor CAD.

The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games), Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo), and Halo 5 (knock-off of Halo games) during boxing week. God knows when I'll play them -- for Inquisition and Halo... literally, the only reason I bought them was to follow the story.

The problem is not with video games its that you have a console where everything is the same. Try gaming on a PC then you have much much bigger verity, some even free and most £20-30.

40k at our club is pretty much the same, a few games go on each week but there is a lot more interest in other systems at the moment and 30k seems to be replacing 40k games.

 RazgrizOne wrote:
@Makumba

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

Nope because:
- Lists are tightly controlled as I said, so there are never more than three jetbikes or so. It's only 650pts.
- Vehicules can't capture objectives unless they have WS > 1.
- I play my own IG codex with approbation of the admin and thus my army is quite fast.
- Even when there are jetbikes, tables are not that big so you are quickly at RF range + ignore cover orders and jetbikes suddenly become way less terrifying.

Ok, I thought that control ment checking if armies are legal etc. Do you guys use a pre made comp or is it made ad hoc before evry game. Also are your tables smaller then 4x4. Because I play IG too and i find them realy slow compering to all other armies. Even tau seem to be faster with all the infiltration and jet pack movment they have,

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

I oppose counterfeits in almost every game, except I have no issue with it when it comes to GW product. Probably as a result of their horrific business practices as a whole, since it's pretty hard to feel bad for a company that bans the use of online shopping carts for their independent retailers, is ok with allowing FW product to be banned in their franchise stores despite being the same company, and much more.

 Tinkrr wrote:

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

I oppose counterfeits in almost every game, except I have no issue with it when it comes to GW product. Probably as a result of their horrific business practices as a whole, since it's pretty hard to feel bad for a company that bans the use of online shopping carts for their independent retailers, is ok with allowing FW product to be banned in their franchise stores despite being the same company, and much more.

A friend of mine who works a gw store said they lost over 1/3 of their yearly sales when they stopped selling forgeworld.

This is such a refreshing thread to see after the countless '40k is awful and dying' threads have dominated for so long. and my local GW is doing well in terms of getting people down to come and play games, but they do have a few house rules, like no unbound.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
This is such a refreshing thread to see after the countless '40k is awful and dying' threads have dominated for so long. and my local GW is doing well in terms of getting people down to come and play games, but they do have a few house rules, like no unbound.

My local GW has some fun rules as well to encourage people to hobby as well as play.

My favorite being. "painted models have hatred grey plastic"

It rarely ever effects a game as most of us who play there have painted armies, but it occasional effects a friend who rushed the latest new unit to the table and adds some fun to it.

 Grizzyzz wrote:
"painted models have hatred grey plastic"

GW need to release a 7.5 just to include that rule.

Yesterday, we had two parallel battles, each 2v2, each player 3000 pts, so 6000 pts per side. This was a spontaneous call for a gaming day. Four more players announced their interest but could come for several reasons. All veteran players. Was a fun day. So 40k is not dying here. It's stil flourishing.

I... guess? There's a Warhammer store nearby, and a hobby shop that has 40k going on. It's about 50/50 split since the other 2.5 shops in the area have Warmachine and no 40k really.

It's dead to me though.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:
"painted models have hatred grey plastic"

GW need to release a 7.5 just to include that rule.

Haha, I know right, it is a hilarious house rule.

 Talys wrote:


The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

That may be true for certain people, but CoD and Madden are some of the best selling franchises of all time.
The industry does not want different. Even in 40k, marines of various colors are the biggest seller, and 30k (which seems to be on the rise) is all PA all the time

 Talys wrote:

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games)

Well, a series is of course going to be a knock off to some extent. It'll have the same setting and some characters will make appearances.
That being said, each DA game has had vastly different gameplay and story (which can be bad, YMMV).
DA Origins was like baldur's gate in a way, a open world map that focused on strategy and tactics. It was pretty much turn based though you could play it real time.
DA 2 had cross-class combos being the biggest things, but lost the open world nature. Combat is much faster and brutal in this game, and magic is strong but not OP.
DA 3 has DA 2 combat style with DA 1 open world style. For some reason they dropped the ability to program the computer, which lowers the quality imo, but the dragon fights are epics.

But they certainly aren't knock offs. You can't import strategy and tactics from 1 to 2 or 3, and vice versa.
BG 2 is more of a knock-off from BG 1 than the DA games are. And the BG series is amazing.

 Talys wrote:

Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA No.
I can only assume you haven't played the game. At all. I can think of other games that this has more in common with (Arcanum springs to mind)...diablo is almost the opposite of this game outside of 1 part.

Divinity has comedic writing rather than are more grimdark tone and a 4 person party system. The game is turn based and relies on stacking buffs/debuffs between party members. Every person can learn every ability depending on how you build them. Everyone has attributes, skills, and another thing I think called talents? Diablo had stats and skills being it. It was 1 person and merc you didn't control. It wasn't turn based but real time, enemies died extremely quick, combos were not a thing even in multiplayer...they are completely different.
The only thing it has in common with diablo is the loot system. Even the graphics are different.


I love it when people say gaming has gone down in quality. Its just not true. JRPGs were almost all the same (BoF series, Secret of Mana, FF) and a lot of platformers were mario clones. There were some gems like BG, Planescape, Fallout, but they were pretty rare and mostly on the PC. They are making a come back, and Divinity Original Sin stands up well to them, and Wasteland 2 does okay comparing to fallout (outside of the awful balance issues...but fallout was pretty imbalanced).

Granted a lot of games nowadays are bad, but more are being made so that's to be expected. There are a lot of great ones however.
Take, for example, Last of Us. Walking Dead. Tales from the Borderlands. These are games that never existed before, not even as a type really, and are incredible devices of story telling.
Fighters like smash bros are very approachable for all skill levels and are very different from the SF clones (god, the SF clones were so bad. Every fighting game except busihdo blade was a SF clone).
Persona 4 Golden might be the greatest JRPG ever made.
Horror games were never a thing (RE was more of a puzzle game, though that series got bad after 4) and now they are quite popular.
Dark souls is just as hard as anything (maybe not battle toads ) and quite popular.

As a whole Norwich is doing ok for 40k. Mainly driven by our club Last Stand. Aftermath have a few players on rare occasions. Coltishall Cowards still play a fair bit. Formosa and his club do a bit but as stated earlier in this thread they are almost entirely on the Heresy train as far as GW goes (which is cool just not my thing being a non imperium player).

I say ok purely because I think flourishing and amazing fun is just as much hyperbole as the 40k is dying/dead thread.

We have 4+ games of 40k every Thursday night and are starting to run events again, with a two day tournament in November going off very successfully and a smaller one day event to come in spring.

Akiasura wrote:

The industry does not want different. Even in 40k, marines of various colors are the biggest seller, and 30k (which seems to be on the rise) is all PA all the time

I know I'm nitpicking a tiny part of a much larger post, but it really bugs me when I see people say this.

Literally (and I am being 100%, know-how-to-use-the-word literal here) 0% of my 30k games have been power armour on both sides.

I think the point is that Horus Heresy is literally a war of Space Marines vs. Space Marines. Obviously there was the Mechanicum, Solar Auxila, and Cults (Imperial Knights don't count as their own faction, they just don't), but that's in contrast to the eighteen Space Marine factions.

Of course, I'm glad you're able to get in a mix of games, but 30k is vastly in the favor of Space Marines vs Space Marines when compared to 40k (which is already Marine-centric).

 Accolade wrote:
I think the point is that Horus Heresy is literally a war of Space Marines vs. Space Marines. Obviously there was the Mechanicum, Solar Auxila, and Cults (Imperial Knights don't count as their own faction, they just don't), but that's in contrast to the eighteen Space Marine factions.

Of course, I'm glad you're able to get in a mix of games, but 30k is vastly in the favor of Space Marines vs Space Marines when compared to 40k (which is already Marine-centric).

It is on the grand scheme of things, but each individual is in control of their own experience. If you don't want to play Power Armour vs Power Armour, then play Ordo Reductor, Legio Cybernetica, Taghmata Omnissiah, Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia, or Imperial Cults. Then 0% of your games will be PA vs PA and you win!

I don't know why people care so much about what -other- people play. The people that like PA vs PA can do it, and the people that don't.... don't.

And yes, if you tallied every game, there would be more PA vs PA than anything else. But what use is that data? You play -your- army, and if it isn't power armour, then -your- experience is that 0% of your games are PA vs PA. Do you get my drift?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I think the point is that Horus Heresy is literally a war of Space Marines vs. Space Marines. Obviously there was the Mechanicum, Solar Auxila, and Cults (Imperial Knights don't count as their own faction, they just don't), but that's in contrast to the eighteen Space Marine factions.

Of course, I'm glad you're able to get in a mix of games, but 30k is vastly in the favor of Space Marines vs Space Marines when compared to 40k (which is already Marine-centric).

It is on the grand scheme of things, but each individual is in control of their own experience. If you don't want to play Power Armour vs Power Armour, then play Ordo Reductor, Legio Cybernetica, Taghmata Omnissiah, Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia, or Imperial Cults. Then 0% of your games will be PA vs PA and you win!

I don't know why people care so much about what -other- people play. The people that like PA vs PA can do it, and the people that don't.... don't.

And yes, if you tallied every game, there would be more PA vs PA than anything else. But what use is that data? You play -your- army, and if it isn't power armour, then -your- experience is that 0% of your games are PA vs PA. Do you get my drift?

I don't care what you're interested in playing, that was never the point of my (or I doubt Akiasura's) post (my point about being glad you enjoy the game had not other intention other than to say I was glad you were enjoying it).

What I'm getting at (since I can't speak directly for Akiasura) is that the industry in this case- GW- focuses heavily on power armor factions because they sell so damn well. Heck, I imagine Space Marines are the only faction where you can make a whole game (almost!) entirely focused on them. FW can fill out the side factions (Solar Auxila, Mechanicum derivatives, etc), but the major core of the HH is based on PA vs PA. And that's perfectly fine! It obviously works well for them, so no doubt they'd want to avoid change. Making more PA makes GW more money, and so they will continue to do so. It's not a critique of their business, it's just a statement of their focus based on customer demands.

But if there are other factions available, how is it a valid criticism? If you don't like PA, you don't have to -play- PA, so there could be 3000 PA factions but as long as there are options for you to play what you like, what do you care?

It ISN'T a criticism, that's what you're not getting. Saying that 30k is a majority power armor game isn't a negative, it's an objective statement about the factions of the game. If anything, the whole PA vs PA comment was directed at the fact that GW is being intelligent in what it does best (making Space Marines) because the sales of Marines continue to stay very strong.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
But if there are other factions available, how is it a valid criticism? If you don't like PA, you don't have to -play- PA, so there could be 3000 PA factions but as long as there are options for you to play what you like, what do you care?

Because while I enjoy playing PA, I don't enjoy facing nothing but PA?

I love how Alpha legion plays in the rules, but locally it's only Chaos players and a few loyalists who got into the game at all. If it merged with 40k officially I'd be more into it.

Akiasura wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
But if there are other factions available, how is it a valid criticism? If you don't like PA, you don't have to -play- PA, so there could be 3000 PA factions but as long as there are options for you to play what you like, what do you care?

Because while I enjoy playing PA, I don't enjoy facing nothing but PA?

I love how Alpha legion plays in the rules, but locally it's only Chaos players and a few loyalists who got into the game at all. If it merged with 40k officially I'd be more into it.

Ah, that's part of the problem. We never even questioned that it could be played alongside 40k in both of the local metas I've been in. Like, it hasn't even been raised as a concern in either one. I recently allied myself with another Mechanicum player (though he was playing Taghmata, not Reductor) against Necrons and Tau, for example.

 Polonius wrote:
There's more 40k activity here in Baltimore than there was in Cleveland, despite there being roughly the same density of gaming stores. Compared to Ohio, I almost always see 40k being played when I pop into a FLGS.

When it comes to Wargaming in general the Balt-Washington metro area suffers from an embarrassment of riches. I think it's all that DoD presence in the area.

Thimn wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
There's more 40k activity here in Baltimore than there was in Cleveland, despite there being roughly the same density of gaming stores. Compared to Ohio, I almost always see 40k being played when I pop into a FLGS.

Recess misses you! Hope to see you again at Adepticon.

-Josh

I'll be there! Probably not playing 40k unless something major shifts, but I'll be there all four days.

Akiasura wrote:
Well, a series is of course going to be a knock off to some extent. It'll have the same setting and some characters will make appearances.
That being said, each DA game has had vastly different gameplay and story (which can be bad, YMMV).
DA Origins was like baldur's gate in a way, a open world map that focused on strategy and tactics. It was pretty much turn based though you could play it real time.
DA 2 had cross-class combos being the biggest things, but lost the open world nature. Combat is much faster and brutal in this game, and magic is strong but not OP.
DA 3 has DA 2 combat style with DA 1 open world style. For some reason they dropped the ability to program the computer, which lowers the quality imo, but the dragon fights are epics.

But they certainly aren't knock offs. You can't import strategy and tactics from 1 to 2 or 3, and vice versa.
BG 2 is more of a knock-off from BG 1 than the DA games are. And the BG series is amazing.

Maybe knock-off is a bad word and comes off in a derogatory way, though I don't mean it that way. I do enjoy sequels, and I buy them, which is why the game manufacturers make them.

What I intend to say is that there is a lack of fresh ideas that change the way I game, in the way that Diablo 2 made me rethink action isometric dungeon crawler; the way Civilization made me rethink action; the way Doom invented FPS, the way that Halo redefined for me, what to expect of the storytelling FPS. Personally, Titanfall was probably the freshest recent game that I can think of, with brilliant use of 3D maps, and interesting ways to play inside and outside of titans in the same game.

To me, most games that come out clearly fall into the categories of FPS, RTS, TBS, etc. and are just like some other game with a little better or little worse interface, different graphics, and different story. The industry isn't like it was in the 80's, 90's and even early 2000's, where the leaps in generations of games was stunning -- which, I understand, is something that will happen as an industry matures. I don't mind sequels -- I LIKE sequels -- but I'd like to see fresh ideas too!

I look forward to technology that makes it so that computer gaming again goes through vast leaps, for instance, with Microsoft Hololens. I can really imagine something like Hololens working for tabletop wargaming too. How cool would it be to play someone else a wargame where only YOUR models are real; the other models, and the terrain, and your opponent are projected holograms? You'd never get me out of my man-cave!

Akiasura wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA No.
I can only assume you haven't played the game. At all. I can think of other games that this has more in common with (Arcanum springs to mind)...diablo is almost the opposite of this game outside of 1 part.

Yes, fair enough I have only seen the videos, upon which I based my buying decision (boxing day sale). It looks like a great game, and in the videos, it looks Diablo-esque. I haven't even downloaded it, though, I bought it.

I also bought Mordheim, because it was on sale, but I don't know if I'll play it. I'm not a big fan of my heroes permanently dying.

Anyhow, bringing this around to the original subject -- just for me, I've spent a lot more time on hobby and gaming, of which 40k is my central obsession, partly because I perceive video games to be a lot of rehashes, and I'm less excited about video game releases now than I was a decade or two decades ago.

How is Mordenheim? I was debating buying it after the bloodbowl game, which I thought was really well done, but have heard mixed reviews. Apparently Vermintide is excellent.


I really cant give Divinity enough praise, it's a great game, especially the enhanced edition (Which you should get for free if you purchased the game).

If I came off abrasive, my apologies. Parents whose children have failed my class can get...annoying after a while.

Wondering who is in an area where the hobby is flourishing.

It's alive, people still play it, but it's stagnating and definately not flourishing, especially when you compare it to how big it was 6-7 years ago. Then 6th Ed hit in a combination with GW pissing off one of the local retailers, which had the effect that he wasn't actively promoting the game anymore, which led to a stop in new gamers in combination with old gamers switching to other tabletops.

Flames of War, Infinity, Bolt action, FFGs X-Wing, Warmachine....those I'd call flourishing on a local level, 40k not so much.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

Is it just me or does it seem very hypocritical, that someone is throwing a fit about the legality and morality of copyright infringement, while at the same time sporting an avatar alongside a link to a pirated clip from a TV show, thereby violating copyrights as well?

Flourishing? More like stagnating.
But fun? Not for me. I'm a fluff driven narrative type gamer and it was the poor rules that kicked me out of that immersion. Exp: when a unit is described as thus, but the rules don't match. Loyalists summoning deamons? No.
Also, I like the game centered around heroes, characters and grunts that outperform their role. Now it's just about the biggest models you can squeeze on the table.

The scene is growing in my area. There used to be 1 flgs, but in the last year and a half there have been 2 more flgs that opened. There are tournaments every month, and an escalation league just started.

As 40k makes up the majority of GW sales.And GW sales volumes are STILL falling.

I would say 40k is floundering , and found to be not much fun by more people, than those that are having positive experiences with it.

Many people who enjoy playing games , prefer rules written for game play, rather than short term marketing. So 40k does not appeal to them.

As GW sales volumes fall prices will rise.And as GW have not come up with any thing other than price rises to combat falling sales volumes for the last decade.
I am not optimistic of GW corporate management taking any of the required actions any time soon.

AoS is gaining some steam here in Amsterdam south, but 40K is still going strong. Just 2 weeks ago there was this huge 3v3 game with a Warhound Titan involved in it.

Got a pretty strong presence in the greater Cleveland area (north east Ohio) I have a monthly get together at my house that varies (due to the season) from 4-10 players and I'm part of a Facebook group for the area that has somewhere around 130 people in it with about 70 people getting games in regularly. The fact that a large part of the Facebook group are actually "emmisaries" from other groups where the other members haven't joined yet is pretty significant.

So, yeah, doing fine up here by the lake

My store is slowly declining as far as our 40k group goes. My close friends have quit, my girlfriend has quit, I've all but quit, and a few other people either don't play anymore or have sold their armies entirely.

It's still flourishing here. We had a nice gaming day at Dec 30, with two games 2v2, 3000 pts per player, so 6000 pts per side, maelstrom missions. I played WE 30k led by Angron. We will repeat this format next time. It's still fun to play but maybe not at the competitive level. We will not organize tourneys in the near future.

@Xcaliber

Purely out of curiosity, when you say "lists are tightly controlled," you mean that if the group feels a list is unfun or overpowered, that player must change their list? How is that a good state-of-the-game? If someone new joins your group and doesn't want to play that way, are they simply out of luck?
I'm not trying to be snide, but when I see people post stuff like this as though it shows the great health of the game, all I can think of is how fractured the community is...

We usually come with one or two lists we test during two or three games, just to see whether we're in line with the league level. The goal of this level is not to ban units people don't like, it's to make the game funny for everyone. I mean if you want to play scatbikes, a tau hammerhead or a drop pod with melta marines, it's fine, but you'll have to make a balance with the rest of the list so beginners and low-tier codexes can have a chance against you.
The admin is not all-powerful. People exchange and discuss after every match. All we're trying to do is to fix the shortcomings of the game in a way that suits our 20persons group. We're not a bunch of Nazis like Too Fast said it very stupidly.
@TooFast

If the game was so great, you wouldn't need a list Nazi limiting the points to lower than some individual models, having to approve or limit every unit in the game down to basic troops, etc. 650 is an HQ and 2 min units of thallax for my 30k army. Oh wait, my army would probably be banned even though I've spent hundreds of £s on authentic FW models and painted them to a high standard. Your group sounds awesome!

As a matter of fact, if GW would have born the cost of making balanced rules, we would not have had reach the point we have to do it on our own. 40k is nice in our area because we managed to have a league where every match is closely disputed. Your aggressive claims have strictly no bases since strong units can be fielded + we're not currently adapting our rules for 30k units. Nobody fields such minis atm but I’m sure they would be able to do it if they comply with basic requirements (points, scenario and list level). We would not want you to cry because you can’t play your soooo expansive little soldiers; this would not be very gentle would not it be?


@Makumba.

Ok, I thought that control ment checking if armies are legal etc. Do you guys use a pre made comp or is it made ad hoc before evry game. Also are your tables smaller then 4x4. Because I play IG too and i find them realy slow compering to all other armies. Even tau seem to be faster with all the infiltration and jet pack movment they have,

Actually, as we're playing small games, it's not very important if your list is too strong for once. We don't have a comp system, it's just overall cooperation that make each codex roughly equal. Then, there are different level of skill among our gamers, so we're not like : "wow you won 5 to 1 this time, nerf your list".

Well, here is a short tale to tell.

I recently moved country again in the last three months. I decided to check out the local GW in the hope that they allowed people to play in store on their tables (the GW where I had come from didn't allow people to play unless they bought stuff that day equal to or over a couple of pots of paint OR were having an introducionary games).

I eventually found the store - the front being only a window wide with a side door. Inside I discovered the store is actually quite long and has a lot on the shelves PLUS three decent sized tables! The store manager looked a bit surprised when I came over to speak to him and the other guy there (they were playing a game).

Anyway, ended up in a discussion that ended up more of a monologue from the non-GW person. They did allow people to play in store who are part of their club - EXCELLENT! They also have a long track recored of winning in local competitions - EVEN BETTER! People who know what they're doing who I could potentially learn from....

And that was when the monologue started... here are some low-lights

"we are the best because we love working out how to break the codices" - that was when I then actually paid attention to what was on the board. One side had Eldar bikes and a farseer council and a centurion deathstar thing and a load of thunderfire cannons. The other had 3 tau riptides and a swarm of Daemons being summoned and other stuff I can't recall.

"Oh you play chaos, haha they're gak right now, I used to play has but they're useless - do you have anything good?"

"We meet up and use math hammer to work out how to get the most for the points before we play before a tournament"

"Space marines can be good, what you got?..... my tau would intercept and destroy all your army before they arrived, drop pod lists aren't competitive - why don't you ally with *something I can't remember that was a massive abuse of the fluff*"


I eventually managed to break away and make my excuses. I've not been back since. In the meanwhile, I now have four x6 point saga armies nearly completed and a sweet converted realm of battle board that's being used for other game systems (use to be a bombed out city with skulls, now it's grassy countryside with saxon settlements

Since then, I visited a FLGS 30min drive away - one of the club's that was mentioned as getting crushed. Nice chaps, friendly atmosphere and everyone was playing.... XWING. Okay I can't stand Starwars as it's everywhere and I'm bored with it BUT, they were also playing other games like Frostgrave and KoW. From talking to them, I learned that many of them were moving on from GW and couldn't be arsed with the Pay-to-win style of gaming promoted.

GW was flourishing in one store in a hyper-competitive WAAC environment where people were popping boners over crushing others. GW was not flourishing in the store where people wanted balance and casual games.

 Wulfmar wrote:
GW was flourishing in one store in a hyper-competitive WAAC environment where people were popping boners over crushing others. GW was not flourishing in the store where people wanted balance and casual games.

The grand irony of GW's 'we are a model company, not a rules company' philosophy is that broken, abusable, rules attract WAAC players and fluffy/hobby gamers are driven away when their cool theme army can't win games (all termi ultramarines) or is considered 'mean' to bring to a fun game (eldar jetbikes).

Definitely. Having an active tournament scene now, and multiple smaller groups that play together. Our group even has it's own rented gaming space with 3 tables full of terrain and a few armies that anyone can borrow.

There's a few people who are bit too much on the "live to win" -side for my taste, but I play them occasionally just to try out ridiculous lists. Also got a few campaigns annually.

So all in all, thriving and fun.

The grand irony of GW's 'we are a model company, not a rules company' philosophy is that broken, abusable, rules attract WAAC players and fluffy/hobby gamers are driven away when their cool theme army can't win games (all termi ultramarines) or is considered 'mean' to bring to a fun game (eldar jetbikes).

This.

I guess if I am in a nice gaming group, that's because we are really attached to the fluff in general and we want casual games. I feel like we're an endangered specie because the huge majority of the store's customers are playing Magic, WMH, Infinity or X-wing. We have to actively search for players on French fora to maintain our numbers, which are increasing very slowly. And I don't think it is because of our houserules as you can come and play big battles if you like to.

40k is hardly flourishing in my area because only a few players are following the path of the pay-per-win.

It's going well, but interestingly Warmahordes has as many players for the national championships, but I've yet to meet one!

I live in a small town in northeastern Alabama. We have a population of about 5,000 and I am almost certain I am the ONLY 40k player living here. In fact, just mentioning wargaming is certain to raise many a brow around these parts. Anniston and Gadsden are the only cities within a convenient drive, each possessing 1 FLGS each and no presence of 40k whatsoever; it's either MtG or FFG's X-Wing. Not a fan of card games or Star Wars.

I DID have an opponent but he was so WAAC, he couldn't be arsed to even paint his army. He just wanted his greys to stomp you.

I haven't been in the mood to play video games in a while, but I think I am going to upgrade the GPU on my PC so I can play SOMETHING before the boredom of this place kills me. I envy you guys in the northeast States, Canada, and Europe.

 Secrets of the Machine wrote:
I live in a small town in northeastern Alabama. We have a population of about 5,000 and I am almost certain I am the ONLY 40k player living here. In fact, just mentioning wargaming is certain to raise many a brow around these parts. Anniston and Gadsden are the only cities within a convenient drive, each possessing 1 FLGS each and no presence of 40k whatsoever; it's either MtG or FFG's X-Wing. Not a fan of card games or Star Wars.

I DID have an opponent but he was so WAAC, he couldn't be arsed to even paint his army. He just wanted his greys to stomp you.

I haven't been in the mood to play video games in a while, but I think I am going to upgrade the GPU on my PC so I can play SOMETHING before the boredom of this place kills me. I envy you guys in the northeast States, Canada, and Europe.

There aren't many rural Southern towns with that kind of population that are thriving hubs for 40k. However, Birmingham has a decent amount of FLGS and also a GW. There's the redstone rumble in Huntsville every October. There's a lot of places to play if you're willing to drive to civilization.

 Toofast wrote:

 Secrets of the Machine wrote:
I live in a small town in northeastern Alabama. We have a population of about 5,000 and I am almost certain I am the ONLY 40k player living here. In fact, just mentioning wargaming is certain to raise many a brow around these parts. Anniston and Gadsden are the only cities within a convenient drive, each possessing 1 FLGS each and no presence of 40k whatsoever; it's either MtG or FFG's X-Wing. Not a fan of card games or Star Wars.

I DID have an opponent but he was so WAAC, he couldn't be arsed to even paint his army. He just wanted his greys to stomp you.

I haven't been in the mood to play video games in a while, but I think I am going to upgrade the GPU on my PC so I can play SOMETHING before the boredom of this place kills me. I envy you guys in the northeast States, Canada, and Europe.

There aren't many rural Southern towns with that kind of population that are thriving hubs for 40k. However, Birmingham has a decent amount of FLGS and also a GW. There's the redstone rumble in Huntsville every October. There's a lot of places to play if you're willing to drive to civilization.

I was actually considering a shop (Bud's Place or Bud's Hobbies, I think?) just outside Birmingham. I think I am going to give it a whirl because I am not doing myself any favors over here. I've never heard of redstone rumble, but I'd definitely make the trip to Huntsville every October to play. Does usually have a large amount of players?

In Brisbane, we not have 3 Games Workshop stores as well as a bunch of FLGS stocking it.

My gaming club ebbs and wains but there are about 4 other major clubs around the city (that do 40k regularly or with 2 new ones just starting recently with heaps of interest (50-90 people).

30k is also revitalizing the hobby, as well as KoW.

Bud's place in Leeds. I don't go there much because gw, excelsior and legion are all much closer to me. Redstone had a pretty good turnout the past 2 years and is growing.

 Kr00gZ wrote:
In Brisbane, we not have 3 Games Workshop stores as well as a bunch of FLGS stocking it.

My gaming club ebbs and wains but there are about 4 other major clubs around the city (that do 40k regularly or with 2 new ones just starting recently with heaps of interest (50-90 people).

30k is also revitalizing the hobby, as well as KoW.

Really? I find that interesting because I'm on the Gold Coast and only ever get as far north as Ace Comics at Annerly, who I know sell it but I'm not sure what the actual gaming situation is like there. South of it is Irresistible Force where GW seems to be as good as dead, then a Good Games which has people trying to push 40k but it's not taking off, and then only a shoe box of a GW store to actually consistently play in until you hit the NSW boarder.
Do you know how popular other stuff is further north? I know Infinity is played at Annerly and there are a couple of clubs that will come south for KoW or Warmahordes tourneys (Blind Pig or something might be one of them?)

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Kr00gZ wrote:
In Brisbane, we not have 3 Games Workshop stores as well as a bunch of FLGS stocking it.

My gaming club ebbs and wains but there are about 4 other major clubs around the city (that do 40k regularly or with 2 new ones just starting recently with heaps of interest (50-90 people).

30k is also revitalizing the hobby, as well as KoW.

Really? I find that interesting because I'm on the Gold Coast and only ever get as far north as Ace Comics at Annerly, who I know sell it but I'm not sure what the actual gaming situation is like there. South of it is Irresistible Force where GW seems to be as good as dead, then a Good Games which has people trying to push 40k but it's not taking off, and then only a shoe box of a GW store to actually consistently play in until you hit the NSW boarder.
Do you know how popular other stuff is further north? I know Infinity is played at Annerly and there are a couple of clubs that will come south for KoW or Warmahordes tourneys (Blind Pig or something might be one of them?)

At Annerly, across the road from Ace, is The Junction pub, which where Pubhammer is held every Sunday night (except tonight or when there are other functions on). This is my main club I attent at the moment and there is usually a few guys willing to play (6 - 10) regularly. There is a mix on competitive and friendly players from all around. Some travel from Far west, GC & North side to attend. Plenty of board games to fill in time while waiting for tables, too. We are just finishing out a 40k league from last year and then will be looking to start up another very soon. We play 1750 - 2500 points, but smaller games are welcome. We try to do at least 2 big Apoc games a year as well. And...there is great food and beer!

B.I.G (haven't been to any of their events in ages) used to do a fair bit of 40k. Up north (Caboolture & North Lakes) you have Northern Knights (been around for ages) and Gamer's Lodge (very new but generating a lot of interest).

Another monthly even will be starting up soon, as well, but details are a little sketchy at the moment. From what I hear it will be Tournaments + Leagues with GW backing (??!!!!??) but no idea of location, currently.

You don't play at any of the GW stores? Mt Gravatt is very popular and holds regular events, too.

Most of the clubs i've mentioned have Facebook pages. I can link them if you'd like, they they should be easy to find.

 Kr00gZ wrote:

You don't play at any of the GW stores? Mt Gravatt is very popular and holds regular events, too.

Back when i played GW games regularly I did love the battle bunker at Mt. Gravatt, but since then they have replaced all of their great old tables with realm of battle boards and removed all the old terrain (fun fact, the first time I had been in there since that happened the new WD had an article from Jervis about how great it is we don't have to play on green mats thrown over our parents books to make hills anymore. That stung a little.)
They also picked up a manager that we had here when the CG store opened and I really can't stand that guy.

Since we've had a couple of good managers locally, but with all of 1 table in a shoe box it's not worth trying to play there. I've enjoyed their painting comps though

 Toofast wrote:
Bud's place in Leeds. I don't go there much because gw, excelsior and legion are all much closer to me. Redstone had a pretty good turnout the past 2 years and is growing.

Cheers for the information, man.

I'll probably try GW and Bud's Place, but Excelsior and Legion aren't much further considering the drive I am already having to make - and since I am fishing for shops - I may as well visit them, too. Two birds with one stone and all that jazz.

I really gotta get out more.

I don't go in store (get creepy looks from a lot of guys in there), but I know that 40k is the only game played in there. Literally no other system is played in there. They run like 2 tournaments a month as well.

But when I play at a guys house, we play mostly 40k and some AoS just for fun.

I can promise you they are more scared of you than you are of them.

 Hayley Williams wrote:
I don't go in store (get creepy looks from a lot of guys in there), but I know that 40k is the only game played in there. Literally no other system is played in there. They run like 2 tournaments a month as well.

But when I play at a guys house, we play mostly 40k and some AoS just for fun.

Aye, sad that. It happens far too often, too. I feel a little weird when playing at GW... or any FLGS, really. :-/

Clubs tend to have a much friendlier atmosphere, mix of people and less undesirables (annoying kids or pushy sales staff) although you do have to entertain the rare lost drunk stumbling past pointing an unsteady finger going "Wasss all dis den?"
That's why I love my Pubhammer.

Crimson Devil wrote:I can promise you they are more scared of you than you are of them.

Hahahaha.

Kr00gZ wrote:

 Hayley Williams wrote:
I don't go in store (get creepy looks from a lot of guys in there), but I know that 40k is the only game played in there. Literally no other system is played in there. They run like 2 tournaments a month as well.

But when I play at a guys house, we play mostly 40k and some AoS just for fun.

Aye, sad that. It happens far too often, too. I feel a little weird when playing at GW... or any FLGS, really. :-/

Clubs tend to have a much friendlier atmosphere, mix of people and less undesirables (annoying kids or pushy sales staff) although you do have to entertain the rare lost drunk stumbling past pointing an unsteady finger going "Wasss all dis den?"
That's why I love my Pubhammer.

Ah, it's fine really. I play at a guys house anyway, so I have fun there.
Plus, getting a few drinks never hurts. Hahahaha.

It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

+1

Honestly though, I don't mind too much. I mean, yes I'll laugh at the odd sexual joke, But it's when it gets too much, it just gets creepy.
I like to give everyone a fair chance though.

 Hayley Williams wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

+1

Honestly though, I don't mind too much. I mean, yes I'll laugh at the odd sexual joke, But it's when it gets too much, it just gets creepy.
I like to give everyone a fair chance though.

Weird. My girlfriend walks into my local stores like she owns the place, and all of my friends up there are also her friends. I guess it just depends on your area.

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

We will never get past this. It was going on when I was a child. I think I made the mistake of bringing one of my girlfriends to the local store one time...it did not go over well. She never went back.

Some guys are just weird about women. I don't think this is exclusively a nerd thing, but they never learn how to hide it or control it due to lack of exposure.
Believe me, every semester I get at least a few complaints about men in the science department being strange about girls. It's not often a TA or professor, though it is on occasion.

The worst example I can think of off hand is a TA had set up a camera in the sterile lab changing room to take pictures of the girls feet.
Granted, a lot of those are people exaggerating, but at a FLGS I'd be inclined to believe the girl.

Akiasura wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

We will never get past this. It was going on when I was a child. I think I made the mistake of bringing one of my girlfriends to the local store one time...it did not go over well. She never went back.

Some guys are just weird about women. I don't think this is exclusively a nerd thing, but they never learn how to hide it or control it due to lack of exposure.
Believe me, every semester I get at least a few complaints about men in the science department being strange about girls. It's not often a TA or professor, though it is on occasion.

The worst example I can think of off hand is a TA had set up a camera in the sterile lab changing room to take pictures of the girls feet.
Granted, a lot of those are people exaggerating, but at a FLGS I'd be inclined to believe the girl.

It depends on the area, certainly, but I think we can eventually get past this. I mean, we just need to treat them like human beings. That's not so hard.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

We will never get past this. It was going on when I was a child. I think I made the mistake of bringing one of my girlfriends to the local store one time...it did not go over well. She never went back.

Some guys are just weird about women. I don't think this is exclusively a nerd thing, but they never learn how to hide it or control it due to lack of exposure.
Believe me, every semester I get at least a few complaints about men in the science department being strange about girls. It's not often a TA or professor, though it is on occasion.

The worst example I can think of off hand is a TA had set up a camera in the sterile lab changing room to take pictures of the girls feet.
Granted, a lot of those are people exaggerating, but at a FLGS I'd be inclined to believe the girl.

It depends on the area, certainly, but I think we can eventually get past this. I mean, we just need to treat them like human beings. That's not so hard.

Seriously. One of the best and most respected players at my FLGS is a woman. It's not hard, it's just that A) wargaming is primarily a male hobby, B) some people who are drawn to wargaming/these hobbies don't excel at basic human/social interaction, and C) because of A and B, most players don't know how to interact well with women.

Valhallan42nd wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

We will never get past this. It was going on when I was a child. I think I made the mistake of bringing one of my girlfriends to the local store one time...it did not go over well. She never went back.

Some guys are just weird about women. I don't think this is exclusively a nerd thing, but they never learn how to hide it or control it due to lack of exposure.
Believe me, every semester I get at least a few complaints about men in the science department being strange about girls. It's not often a TA or professor, though it is on occasion.

The worst example I can think of off hand is a TA had set up a camera in the sterile lab changing room to take pictures of the girls feet.
Granted, a lot of those are people exaggerating, but at a FLGS I'd be inclined to believe the girl.

It depends on the area, certainly, but I think we can eventually get past this. I mean, we just need to treat them like human beings. That's not so hard.

Akiasura wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

We will never get past this. It was going on when I was a child. I think I made the mistake of bringing one of my girlfriends to the local store one time...it did not go over well. She never went back.

Some guys are just weird about women. I don't think this is exclusively a nerd thing, but they never learn how to hide it or control it due to lack of exposure.
Believe me, every semester I get at least a few complaints about men in the science department being strange about girls. It's not often a TA or professor, though it is on occasion.

The worst example I can think of off hand is a TA had set up a camera in the sterile lab changing room to take pictures of the girls feet.
Granted, a lot of those are people exaggerating, but at a FLGS I'd be inclined to believe the girl.

jreilly89 wrote:

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
It is a pity that women still get creepy looks at GW's/FLGS. I had thought that we where past the 'Oh gak, its a girl' deer in the headlights period by now.

We will never get past this. It was going on when I was a child. I think I made the mistake of bringing one of my girlfriends to the local store one time...it did not go over well. She never went back.

Some guys are just weird about women. I don't think this is exclusively a nerd thing, but they never learn how to hide it or control it due to lack of exposure.
Believe me, every semester I get at least a few complaints about men in the science department being strange about girls. It's not often a TA or professor, though it is on occasion.

The worst example I can think of off hand is a TA had set up a camera in the sterile lab changing room to take pictures of the girls feet.
Granted, a lot of those are people exaggerating, but at a FLGS I'd be inclined to believe the girl.

It depends on the area, certainly, but I think we can eventually get past this. I mean, we just need to treat them like human beings. That's not so hard.

Seriously. One of the best and most respected players at my FLGS is a woman. It's not hard, it's just that A) wargaming is primarily a male hobby, B) some people who are drawn to wargaming/these hobbies don't excel at basic human/social interaction, and C) because of A and B, most players don't know how to interact well with women.

+1