Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

We're still hosting 2 major and several minor tournaments with cash prizes, number of attendees keeps rising.

We switched back to 5th, though, as the vast majority extremely disliked the changes introduced with 6th and 7th was rejected by everyone.

 Sigvatr wrote:
We're still hosting 2 major and several minor tournaments with cash prizes, number of attendees keeps rising.

We switched back to 5th, though, as the vast majority extremely disliked the changes introduced with 6th and 7th was rejected by everyone.

My group is also going back to 5th. I don't mind 7th but the rest don't have the patience to deal with all the complicated rules introduced in 6th and 7th. If you don't know the rules really well then it can make the game dull having to look stuff up all the time. And even then the rules don't answer all the questions.

Here in West Texas we have a large 40k community with a couple of monthly tournaments. Having one of the countries largest military bases means we always have a good supply of wargamers.

In the next month we are getting our third independent retailer, and GW will be opening it's first store out here.

We have ~50 members which has increased greatly over the past year. This all said, a few of our most veteran players once tau dropped have "taken a leave of absence" from 40k, and have stuck to WMH and Infinity for the most part.

Essentially they haven't been happy since Necrons dropped with the direction of things. To each their own though!

40k is running on all cylinders both in Harrisburg, USA where I graduated college and am returning to and here in Swansea, UK where I am doing postgraduate uni.

30k especially is catching like wildfire.

Going strong here. Haters gonna hate.

@Makumba

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

Nope because:
- Lists are tightly controlled as I said, so there are never more than three jetbikes or so. It's only 650pts.
- Vehicules can't capture objectives unless they have WS > 1.
- I play my own IG codex with approbation of the admin and thus my army is quite fast.
- Even when there are jetbikes, tables are not that big so you are quickly at RF range + ignore cover orders and jetbikes suddenly become way less terrifying.

 RazgrizOne wrote:
@Makumba

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

Nope because:
- Lists are tightly controlled as I said, so there are never more than three jetbikes or so. It's only 650pts.
- Vehicules can't capture objectives unless they have WS > 1.
- I play my own IG codex with approbation of the admin and thus my army is quite fast.
- Even when there are jetbikes, tables are not that big so you are quickly at RF range + ignore cover orders and jetbikes suddenly become way less terrifying.

Purely out of curiosity, when you say "lists are tightly controlled," you mean that if the group feels a list is unfun or overpowered, that player must change their list? How is that a good state-of-the-game? If someone new joins your group and doesn't want to play that way, are they simply out of luck?

I'm not trying to be snide, but when I see people post stuff like this as though it shows the great health of the game, all I can think of is how fractured the community is...

My FLGS as the same small core group that doesn't shrink or grow. Meanwhile other games are growing.

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

Surely your avatar ("Yes it is." "No it isn't.") addresses this issue... at least a far as people on Dakka is concerned. Ignatius pretty much covered it:

 Ignatius wrote:
Because some people don't care. Because some people think they can justify things like that. It hasn't been addressed because it has been before, with both sides thinking they are either right or unwilling to change. So instead of derailing the topic we just smile and carry on.

If the game was so great, you wouldn't need a list Nazi limiting the points to lower than some individual models, having to approve or limit every unit in the game down to basic troops, etc. 650 is an HQ and 2 min units of thallax for my 30k army. Oh wait, my army would probably be banned even though I've spent hundreds of £s on authentic FW models and painted them to a high standard. Your group sounds awesome!

Having amazing success with running events based on the ITC rule set and FAQ.
switching from strict rulebook with on the fly judge rulings(which became a huge chore to keep track of over time) to the ITC set of rules has majorly helped grow the community here in my area. we consistently get around 12-18 players for our monthlys and are working on several big events. theres another store the next city over that runs neat "non competative" style events for the less tourney minded players. their doing highlander this month, should be fun!

our meta also isn't typical. our ork players tend to win out or place higher then out eldar players. though tau are doing quite well since the update. it's really nice to see an ork player do well through an entire event, puts things i read online on their heads.

Where I live 40k grew steadily in popularity starting with 2nd edition. There were several game stores I could go to and play 40k. But as GWs business practices became increasingly focused on pricing people out of the hobby, local interest waned. I saw fewer and fewer tournaments. RT tournaments had their GW sanctions withdrawn. Prices went up, sales went down. One by one stores began abandoning support for GW products. I tried hard to maintain the hobby but as fellow players appeared for games less and less frequently, eventually I too became a casualty. I still love the 40k universe, but playing the game has become an unsustainable practice for me as well as many people in my area.

 Talys wrote:
40k is doing pretty well here, I think. Some shops have started up with extra 40k nights and that kind of thing, and I see a lot of peeps walking off with armfuls of models when it comes to sales days like Boxing Week. There has been an uptick in 2015 of people who have asked me if I'm interested in their group.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeppers doing well here. Very well, but as I've said time and again the prices of video games are getting stupid insane and quality is going down. Traditional games are on the rise in the entire city and 40k is a part of that boom in thanks to some excellent discounts which helps with our poor CAD.

The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games), Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo), and Halo 5 (knock-off of Halo games) during boxing week. God knows when I'll play them -- for Inquisition and Halo... literally, the only reason I bought them was to follow the story.

From what I can find, only Guardian Games still does 40k in the Portland metro region.

Have fun with your consoles, I'm going into the next dimension. They even have 40k in here.

 Talys wrote:
40k is doing pretty well here, I think. Some shops have started up with extra 40k nights and that kind of thing, and I see a lot of peeps walking off with armfuls of models when it comes to sales days like Boxing Week. There has been an uptick in 2015 of people who have asked me if I'm interested in their group.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeppers doing well here. Very well, but as I've said time and again the prices of video games are getting stupid insane and quality is going down. Traditional games are on the rise in the entire city and 40k is a part of that boom in thanks to some excellent discounts which helps with our poor CAD.

The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games), Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo), and Halo 5 (knock-off of Halo games) during boxing week. God knows when I'll play them -- for Inquisition and Halo... literally, the only reason I bought them was to follow the story.

The problem is not with video games its that you have a console where everything is the same. Try gaming on a PC then you have much much bigger verity, some even free and most £20-30.

40k at our club is pretty much the same, a few games go on each week but there is a lot more interest in other systems at the moment and 30k seems to be replacing 40k games.

 RazgrizOne wrote:
@Makumba

But won't such scenarion just get dominated by jetbikes and skimers zippying around the table and claiming objectives every turn, where a slow moving army like IG won't even be able to take basic stuff, because GW forgot to give them cheap msu options.

Nope because:
- Lists are tightly controlled as I said, so there are never more than three jetbikes or so. It's only 650pts.
- Vehicules can't capture objectives unless they have WS > 1.
- I play my own IG codex with approbation of the admin and thus my army is quite fast.
- Even when there are jetbikes, tables are not that big so you are quickly at RF range + ignore cover orders and jetbikes suddenly become way less terrifying.

Ok, I thought that control ment checking if armies are legal etc. Do you guys use a pre made comp or is it made ad hoc before evry game. Also are your tables smaller then 4x4. Because I play IG too and i find them realy slow compering to all other armies. Even tau seem to be faster with all the infiltration and jet pack movment they have,

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

I oppose counterfeits in almost every game, except I have no issue with it when it comes to GW product. Probably as a result of their horrific business practices as a whole, since it's pretty hard to feel bad for a company that bans the use of online shopping carts for their independent retailers, is ok with allowing FW product to be banned in their franchise stores despite being the same company, and much more.

 Tinkrr wrote:

 Ryan_A wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
We are having a great time with it, and are keeping up with not only the GW 40k stuff, but also 30k and forgeworld (thanks Chinese recasters)
.

The F? That is terrible! How the hell can people be okay with that? Chinese recasting should literally be destroyed. Counterfeiting is against the law, as is shipping counterfeit goods. It is not a crime to buy counterfeit goods, but if you know they are counterfeit they are evidence of a crime and should be taken from you. Knowingly possessing or purchasing counterfeit goods can be criminal depending on the case and it is DEFINITELY criminal to EVER resell them.

How the hell people can "thank" counterfeiters when it is so clearly against the law and immoral is beyond me. Many stores will not allow counterfeited goods to be used and some of these stores will confiscate them if they believe the person in possession knows they are counterfeit and will usually ban the person from the store.

How has nobody in this thread addressed this?

I oppose counterfeits in almost every game, except I have no issue with it when it comes to GW product. Probably as a result of their horrific business practices as a whole, since it's pretty hard to feel bad for a company that bans the use of online shopping carts for their independent retailers, is ok with allowing FW product to be banned in their franchise stores despite being the same company, and much more.

A friend of mine who works a gw store said they lost over 1/3 of their yearly sales when they stopped selling forgeworld.

This is such a refreshing thread to see after the countless '40k is awful and dying' threads have dominated for so long. and my local GW is doing well in terms of getting people down to come and play games, but they do have a few house rules, like no unbound.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
This is such a refreshing thread to see after the countless '40k is awful and dying' threads have dominated for so long. and my local GW is doing well in terms of getting people down to come and play games, but they do have a few house rules, like no unbound.

My local GW has some fun rules as well to encourage people to hobby as well as play.

My favorite being. "painted models have hatred grey plastic"

It rarely ever effects a game as most of us who play there have painted armies, but it occasional effects a friend who rushed the latest new unit to the table and adds some fun to it.

 Grizzyzz wrote:
"painted models have hatred grey plastic"

GW need to release a 7.5 just to include that rule.

Yesterday, we had two parallel battles, each 2v2, each player 3000 pts, so 6000 pts per side. This was a spontaneous call for a gaming day. Four more players announced their interest but could come for several reasons. All veteran players. Was a fun day. So 40k is not dying here. It's stil flourishing.

I... guess? There's a Warhammer store nearby, and a hobby shop that has 40k going on. It's about 50/50 split since the other 2.5 shops in the area have Warmachine and no 40k really.

It's dead to me though.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:
"painted models have hatred grey plastic"

GW need to release a 7.5 just to include that rule.

Haha, I know right, it is a hilarious house rule.

 Talys wrote:


The problem with video games isn't that their quality is sucky (though some really are sucky), it's that even the good ones end up being so same-y. It's like, they took my favorite 5 games, and made 250 different versions of them, each priced at $60. Woohoo... cheers, but I'm not going to buy them ALL, lol

That may be true for certain people, but CoD and Madden are some of the best selling franchises of all time.
The industry does not want different. Even in 40k, marines of various colors are the biggest seller, and 30k (which seems to be on the rise) is all PA all the time

 Talys wrote:

Still, video games here sell really well. I'm just a little tired of them ATM, though I did pick up Dragon Age Inquisition (knock-off of prior DA games)

Well, a series is of course going to be a knock off to some extent. It'll have the same setting and some characters will make appearances.
That being said, each DA game has had vastly different gameplay and story (which can be bad, YMMV).
DA Origins was like baldur's gate in a way, a open world map that focused on strategy and tactics. It was pretty much turn based though you could play it real time.
DA 2 had cross-class combos being the biggest things, but lost the open world nature. Combat is much faster and brutal in this game, and magic is strong but not OP.
DA 3 has DA 2 combat style with DA 1 open world style. For some reason they dropped the ability to program the computer, which lowers the quality imo, but the dragon fights are epics.

But they certainly aren't knock offs. You can't import strategy and tactics from 1 to 2 or 3, and vice versa.
BG 2 is more of a knock-off from BG 1 than the DA games are. And the BG series is amazing.

 Talys wrote:

Divinity: Original Sin (knock-off of Diablo)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA No.
I can only assume you haven't played the game. At all. I can think of other games that this has more in common with (Arcanum springs to mind)...diablo is almost the opposite of this game outside of 1 part.

Divinity has comedic writing rather than are more grimdark tone and a 4 person party system. The game is turn based and relies on stacking buffs/debuffs between party members. Every person can learn every ability depending on how you build them. Everyone has attributes, skills, and another thing I think called talents? Diablo had stats and skills being it. It was 1 person and merc you didn't control. It wasn't turn based but real time, enemies died extremely quick, combos were not a thing even in multiplayer...they are completely different.
The only thing it has in common with diablo is the loot system. Even the graphics are different.


I love it when people say gaming has gone down in quality. Its just not true. JRPGs were almost all the same (BoF series, Secret of Mana, FF) and a lot of platformers were mario clones. There were some gems like BG, Planescape, Fallout, but they were pretty rare and mostly on the PC. They are making a come back, and Divinity Original Sin stands up well to them, and Wasteland 2 does okay comparing to fallout (outside of the awful balance issues...but fallout was pretty imbalanced).

Granted a lot of games nowadays are bad, but more are being made so that's to be expected. There are a lot of great ones however.
Take, for example, Last of Us. Walking Dead. Tales from the Borderlands. These are games that never existed before, not even as a type really, and are incredible devices of story telling.
Fighters like smash bros are very approachable for all skill levels and are very different from the SF clones (god, the SF clones were so bad. Every fighting game except busihdo blade was a SF clone).
Persona 4 Golden might be the greatest JRPG ever made.
Horror games were never a thing (RE was more of a puzzle game, though that series got bad after 4) and now they are quite popular.
Dark souls is just as hard as anything (maybe not battle toads ) and quite popular.

As a whole Norwich is doing ok for 40k. Mainly driven by our club Last Stand. Aftermath have a few players on rare occasions. Coltishall Cowards still play a fair bit. Formosa and his club do a bit but as stated earlier in this thread they are almost entirely on the Heresy train as far as GW goes (which is cool just not my thing being a non imperium player).

I say ok purely because I think flourishing and amazing fun is just as much hyperbole as the 40k is dying/dead thread.

We have 4+ games of 40k every Thursday night and are starting to run events again, with a two day tournament in November going off very successfully and a smaller one day event to come in spring.

Akiasura wrote:

The industry does not want different. Even in 40k, marines of various colors are the biggest seller, and 30k (which seems to be on the rise) is all PA all the time

I know I'm nitpicking a tiny part of a much larger post, but it really bugs me when I see people say this.

Literally (and I am being 100%, know-how-to-use-the-word literal here) 0% of my 30k games have been power armour on both sides.

I think the point is that Horus Heresy is literally a war of Space Marines vs. Space Marines. Obviously there was the Mechanicum, Solar Auxila, and Cults (Imperial Knights don't count as their own faction, they just don't), but that's in contrast to the eighteen Space Marine factions.

Of course, I'm glad you're able to get in a mix of games, but 30k is vastly in the favor of Space Marines vs Space Marines when compared to 40k (which is already Marine-centric).

 Accolade wrote:
I think the point is that Horus Heresy is literally a war of Space Marines vs. Space Marines. Obviously there was the Mechanicum, Solar Auxila, and Cults (Imperial Knights don't count as their own faction, they just don't), but that's in contrast to the eighteen Space Marine factions.

Of course, I'm glad you're able to get in a mix of games, but 30k is vastly in the favor of Space Marines vs Space Marines when compared to 40k (which is already Marine-centric).

It is on the grand scheme of things, but each individual is in control of their own experience. If you don't want to play Power Armour vs Power Armour, then play Ordo Reductor, Legio Cybernetica, Taghmata Omnissiah, Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia, or Imperial Cults. Then 0% of your games will be PA vs PA and you win!

I don't know why people care so much about what -other- people play. The people that like PA vs PA can do it, and the people that don't.... don't.

And yes, if you tallied every game, there would be more PA vs PA than anything else. But what use is that data? You play -your- army, and if it isn't power armour, then -your- experience is that 0% of your games are PA vs PA. Do you get my drift?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I think the point is that Horus Heresy is literally a war of Space Marines vs. Space Marines. Obviously there was the Mechanicum, Solar Auxila, and Cults (Imperial Knights don't count as their own faction, they just don't), but that's in contrast to the eighteen Space Marine factions.

Of course, I'm glad you're able to get in a mix of games, but 30k is vastly in the favor of Space Marines vs Space Marines when compared to 40k (which is already Marine-centric).

It is on the grand scheme of things, but each individual is in control of their own experience. If you don't want to play Power Armour vs Power Armour, then play Ordo Reductor, Legio Cybernetica, Taghmata Omnissiah, Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia, or Imperial Cults. Then 0% of your games will be PA vs PA and you win!

I don't know why people care so much about what -other- people play. The people that like PA vs PA can do it, and the people that don't.... don't.

And yes, if you tallied every game, there would be more PA vs PA than anything else. But what use is that data? You play -your- army, and if it isn't power armour, then -your- experience is that 0% of your games are PA vs PA. Do you get my drift?

I don't care what you're interested in playing, that was never the point of my (or I doubt Akiasura's) post (my point about being glad you enjoy the game had not other intention other than to say I was glad you were enjoying it).

What I'm getting at (since I can't speak directly for Akiasura) is that the industry in this case- GW- focuses heavily on power armor factions because they sell so damn well. Heck, I imagine Space Marines are the only faction where you can make a whole game (almost!) entirely focused on them. FW can fill out the side factions (Solar Auxila, Mechanicum derivatives, etc), but the major core of the HH is based on PA vs PA. And that's perfectly fine! It obviously works well for them, so no doubt they'd want to avoid change. Making more PA makes GW more money, and so they will continue to do so. It's not a critique of their business, it's just a statement of their focus based on customer demands.