So, it's been almost two weeks and Warseer is still down. Is it truly dead for good, or are they just having major issues? Does anyone know what's happening?
GW didn't do anything, they are having a complete server blow up,. The person who owns Warseer isn't a wargamer anymore from what I have been told, so it really is about motivation to bring it back, but I think it is dead.
Seriously though, considering how hard that site used to work in kissing GW's ass that would be somewhat ironic.
Always a bad thing for a community to be lost like that though, hopefully they will get back online or else Dakka will welcome some of the incoming new members.
Interesting to see how many new members Dakka picks up.
Also, it'll be interesting to see how any ex-warseer chaps react to the most excellent News and Rumours mishmash. I'm expecting a few posts in Nuts and Bolts over the coming months (Why are other wargames getting posted in the GW News and Rumours thread, can you get rid of the kickstarter posts, etc etc)
Hopefully it comes back up soon. While I can't say I've been a fan of both Warhams subfora, the GW General and the entirety of Painting were excellent. It would be a shame to see all those plogs go, they've been a well of inspiration, more than Dakka's with its all-in-one painting forum which makes combing for particular systems and armies nigh impossible.
Though I must say the sheer hatred, as well as incessant shilling, for AoS did detract from the board as a whole in the past months.
I 'hope they get back up. Even if most of the forum was not the nicest place to be. The painting and modelling section was great, better than here on Dakka imo and I love going there for insipration. It would be a shame if they won't get back up.
I don't buy the C&D. Warseer should be the last place to be hit with that as they've honored most GW demands, even those they've no legal obligation to.
While more or less the only point of Warseer these days is the painting logs, that''s a pretty big point so I'd be sad to see it gone forever. I don't know any place that has a remotely similar selection of great and inspirational logs.
There's some grand stuff on Dakka as well but as long as everything is mashed together in one big pile and with no functional way of searching, it's just un-navigational.
I at least hope it goes up for a while so I can make a backup of my own logs.
Considering that the Warseer mods deleted one of my posts and gave me a warning for insulting one of GW's trees, I agree with the consensus that they wouldn't be eating a C&D.
AlexHolker wrote: Considering that the Warseer mods deleted one of my posts and gave me a warning for insulting one of GW's trees, I agree with the consensus that they wouldn't be eating a C&D.
It's not a C&D. Besides what the mods who know mods I trust them it's a database issue, and Warseer was very much not having any of that posting as violations...but there's just no way a C&D in these times (I sound old) stays quiet anymore. Not guessing, but an actual document and communication. It just doesn't, especially given the overwhelming hatred for anything GW seething off that site.
AlexHolker wrote: Considering that the Warseer mods deleted one of my posts and gave me a warning for insulting one of GW's trees, I agree with the consensus that they wouldn't be eating a C&D.
Did you bough down to their power, or did you just leaf?
Now 8 weeks into my experiment (adventures in forums, I'm calling it) and Warseer was the first I tried because it gets a lot distaste by game company employees I know. Since it's all purely elective and I'm not invested I can leave at any time but decided to stick around because despite the negativity there were some great people and things happening there. But part of giving forums a try is just how fascinating it is to watch the venom of so many of these guys/girls. Dakka is far far less toxic IMO and I've already seen a few posters who like me use the same name. Hoping to boosts enjoyment of the hobby for those who come over.
-DE- wrote:more than Dakka's with its all-in-one painting forum which makes combing for particular systems and armies nigh impossible.
Zywus wrote:
There's some grand stuff on Dakka as well but as long as everything is mashed together in one big pile and with no functional way of searching, it's just un-navigational.
zedmeister wrote:(Why are other wargames getting posted in the GW project logs thread, can you get rid of the Bolt Action posts, etc etc)
(With apols to Zedmeister)
It's been a while, but weren't Warseer project logs basically arranged by sci-fi (i.e. little but 40K), fantasy (i.e. little but WFB), and 'everything else'? Or a slight variation thereof. Not exactly Hermes Conrad levels of pigeonholing.
AlexHolker wrote:Considering that the Warseer mods deleted one of my posts and gave me a warning for insulting one of GW's trees, I agree with the consensus that they wouldn't be eating a C&D.
I've little love for the place myself (rapped on the knuckles for insulting a tree? I was banned for laughing at 40K itself) but tarring every person there with the same brush doesn't seem overly... rational.
I left warseer and came here because some posters were so unbelievably rude that it made me physically angry. I'll not name names but I had to quit. Good riddance.
The only thing I'll miss are Rheinholt's occasionsl big blocks of yellow text. The over finnicky moderaing killed it for me. I axed my account 3 or 4 years back, and just used to go back to lurk whenever GW published their accounts to watch the fanbois explode in indignation.
I think it's sad for the folk who went there to share nice things and enjoyed talking. A lot of history vanishes when forums go down.
Schadenfreude is one thing, but not everyone on the forum was hell bent on being awful.
Back when I returned to 40K (about ten years ago! Where has the time gone) I enjoyed posting there, but work filters stopped me and I posted here more.
Whilst 40K has been replaced by other games - I still fondly look at my old project log there.
Good memories of Warseer for me. I used to do a ton of trades and sales there but the site's traffic came to a crawl and I eventually just stopped going there.
I'm sure it'll be back soon enough, it's had protracted downtimes before.
Easy E wrote: I will miss my old Armored Company Log that was a precursor to the whole "Painting Log" craze. it was the oldest log on the seer AFAIK.
I will also miss the Mini-Movie Review thread that no other forums has been able to replicate, despite many attempts.
I will also miss the old content about Varingyr and the Death of the Squats.
RIP.
There was a cracking Abaddon's 13th Crusade thread as well, with some posts which summed up that event nicely.
It definitely had (or has?) some things going for it, although I much prefer the more relaxed and generally better natured atmosphere on Dakka.
Think Warseer was fine if you were just into 40k/WFB, but it never really seemed to expand to encompass the growing hobby and so had started to feel a bit antiquated (or out of touch) of late.
Towards the end, I was only checking the off-topic forum and the non-GW games forums.
To be honest, I prefer the "all in one" approach to the painting and modelling forums here. It'd be nice if posters could tag threads with the game system, but really, for looking at well-painted models, I don't care what game they're for.
I've seen the "funniest" of things when it comes to WS moderation.
During the Chapterhouse issues someone made a thread regarding Raging Heroes having to change the head of their Llamasu model due to GW pressure. One mod (I think it was Wintermute?) came and blasted the thread into oblivion for people no posting that kind of things in the Chapterhouse one (I suppose they wouldn't want to soil the forums with a thread about some dirty French company). Then something like what, 2 weeks later, he came into the Chapterhouse thread and bombed all Raging Heroes posts for being OT in a Chapterhouse thread... your safety has been assured citizens, WS moderation is watching you!
But hey, overall it would miss them greatly, a shame that there were only 2 and a half person still worth following in their dead N&R section. The Dakka one with its mix of so many different games is so much more lively, and Warseer really killed some of their sections by separating them into to many subforums (most notably the independent games section).
Bah, in the end I suppose WS moderation issue are as much a part of the scenery as Dakka one sided anti WS sentiment is. It comes with the whole package.
What would they do that for? From what I've heard the Warseer mods would do anything GW told them to.They wouldn't infringe on anything GW owned.
It's a joke. EVERY time a WH forum has technical trouble, _somebody_ starts howling with great sincerity about how it was a C&D and GW is starting it's great internet crackdown. It was especially hilarious when both Bolter & Chainsword and The Waaaaugh would drop (they shared hosting or something) and people would lose their minds. Two forums down! GW is coming for us all!
Brutus_Apex wrote: I left warseer and came here because some posters were so unbelievably rude that it made me physically angry. I'll not name names but I had to quit. Good riddance.
I really hope nothing happens to Warseer. It was the place that helped me get into the hobby years ago. I know there is a lot of hate around for it due to...lets just say "heavy handed" Mods but it was my go to forum.
I will admit that the Fantasy sections became quite the ghost town after AoS hit however.
I'm a Warseerefugee. I've lurked Dakka's excellent gallery for years, but I lived in Warseer's 40k background discussion forum during my sojourn in Brazil- when I was very much separated from my hobby.
Its still got some excellent Terrain blogs that I was keeping an eye on and I'd occasionally browse the other Painting blogs.
Thats a thing that bothers me here- I haven't found a way to filter the Painting/modelling blogs to just look at terrain.
I'll often just search the gallery instead, which is why it took me til now to make an account, I guess.
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: I really hope nothing happens to Warseer. It was the place that helped me get into the hobby years ago. I know there is a lot of hate around for it due to...lets just say "heavy handed" Mods but it was my go to forum.
Me too. The ability to have 80 posts per page was a nice feature as wwell. I'll never understand why people don't want as many posts/page as possible. We don't live in the days of 56k dialup any more,
Commodus Leitdorf wrote: I will admit that the Fantasy sections became quite the ghost town after AoS hit however.
In fairness, that kinda goes for every forums fantasy section.
Most people who cares about fantasy anymore I presume posts at the 9th age forum and the few who bother with AoS mainly seem to use closed facebook groups or something.
I got banned from there by telling someone straight up that Bikers will always give more mileage than Terminators and that defending them was spreading misinformation.
I just don't get what so many of you did to get banned?
I had I think around 2.5k posts over there, and only received a warning once (for making fun of a furry, which I guess is sorta rude, but seriously...)
Perhaps that place was a lot nicer if you were only really into 40k?
I will miss the background section and especially the hobby logs, so much good painting, and easy to find stuff for whatever you want to be inspired about.
I will be a bit sad if my own massive ~200k view log is gone forever. Getting lots of comments and feedback was really useful for keeping up inspiration, and restarting a log where I just 'show off' everything I've done feels pretty weak.
Besides the project logs section, I think it's a good thing for the hobby on the internet. Having new players visit that site upon their introduction to the game gave a horrible impression of the people involved in the hobby.
Me too. The ability to have 80 posts per page was a nice feature as wwell. I'll never understand why people don't want as many posts/page as possible. We don't live in the days of 56k dialup any more,
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I believe the reason Dakka doesn't have that is due to caching requirements or somesuch. It's just not feasible.
Me too. The ability to have 80 posts per page was a nice feature as wwell. I'll never understand why people don't want as many posts/page as possible. We don't live in the days of 56k dialup any more,
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I believe the reason Dakka doesn't have that is due to caching requirements or somesuch. It's just not feasible.
Many, many lifetimes ago -- I mean, around 2000, when a few people were still on 56k, nerds had DSL, and companies still had expensive T1/T3 lines -- I wrote a piece of forum software from scratch for a popular gaming site that had millions of hits every month. It displayed no less information per page as Dakka (though back then people didn't upload as many/as huge photos). It is certainly not a technological barrier
Me too. The ability to have 80 posts per page was a nice feature as wwell. I'll never understand why people don't want as many posts/page as possible. We don't live in the days of 56k dialup any more,
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I believe the reason Dakka doesn't have that is due to caching requirements or somesuch. It's just not feasible.
Many, many lifetimes ago -- I mean, around 2000, when a few people were still on 56k, nerds had DSL, and companies still had expensive T1/T3 lines -- I wrote a piece of forum software from scratch for a popular gaming site that had millions of hits every month. It displayed no less information per page as Dakka (though back then people didn't upload as many/as huge photos). It is certainly not a technological barrier
I couldn't comment, I'm no techie. But that's what I was told by the chap who does run the site, and I assume he knows what he's talking about.
@Ketara - it could be just badly written. There's mountains of poorly written, highly inefficient code out there
Especially when it comes to something like a website that you do as a hobby -- I mean, it's not to take away from any hobbyist programmers who write things for fun, or just use a discussion forum software that's free or cheap, because hey, it's a hobby, after all.
I've been mostly hanging at Warseer since I came back to the hobby a couple of years ago, and initially there was quite a lot of activity in the plog forums. Lately though, it feels like it's almost petered out into nothing. In the Xenos forum, where I had my own plog, there were hundreds of posts every week, but the last 6 months or so it has become less and less, and before it went down you'd be happy for even a handful a week.
It's a shame, because there were quite a few really amazing plogs there, which were great for inspiration and motivation.
The problem is that when a forum goes down for an extended period of time, a lot of people simply won't come back. And if a forum is already kind of in decline, well...
I still am not sure if it was just Warseer that was losing users, or GW losing players and hobbyist. The former would be a pity, but the latter would be even worse IMO, since I do love the fluff and hobby aspects of 40K and I would hate for it to go away.
I find loads of good hobby material on facebook these days. Some people say they find lots of interesting stuff on twitter, but I can't seem to get my head around it.
Yes, I did find a fantastic Ork group on Facebook a while ago - that's where I get the majority of inspiration these days.
Maybe people are simply moving on to other media - it's only old farts like me, who's been hanging around on forums since the mid 90's, who think that it would be the only way...
I'm a middle aged adult and Warseer is the only internet forums I have ever been banned from. For using word "freaking." As in, "that's freaking ridiculous." Apparently I cursed. The mods were so rude, hopefully they stay down for good.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Was there aynthing going on there that might warrant a C&D?
Nah, Warseer has been irrelevant for years concerning rumors and leaks. They used to delete leaks in a fit of unwarranted self-importance; believing that GW is monitoring them 24/7.
The only thing that place had going for itself was the painting and project-log subforum with plenty of good and inspirational painters.
Vermis wrote: It's been a while, but weren't Warseer project logs basically arranged by sci-fi (i.e. little but 40K), fantasy (i.e. little but WFB), and 'everything else'? Or a slight variation thereof. Not exactly Hermes Conrad levels of pigeonholing.
Splendid reference!
And yes, from what I remember that's pretty much how I remember Warseer organized their project logs.
Oguhmek's mention of the xenos plog board reminds me that there were more subdivisions than that. But by the same token, yeah - a coupla 40K plog boards, fantasy plog board, terrain plog board, and 'everything else'.
Maybe Dakka could use a bit more division in it's plogs, or more sorting mechanisms, but TBH I think GW-only fans could use an RDA of 'everything else' every so often. Lets them get used to new experiences so they don't freak out and start snapping when unfamiliar things pop up.
totgeboren wrote: I just don't get what so many of you did to get banned?
I don't get it either. And when one don't get why one was banned, it's usually bad .
To be fair, in most cases it was entirely obvious to everyone except themselves that they would get banned. A good example is the "bikes vs termies" debate previously mentioned that resulted in a ban. If you can't accept that there are situations in the game where a Terminator will be of better use than a bike, and you have to insult everyone that don't agree with you in a really rude manner, then you might get banned.
Of course there are situations to the contrary, where people got banned even though they were only baited by trolls or whatever.
But in my experience, most people who got banned, where I followed the thread that resulted in the ban, deserved it. Or at the very least I could fully understand the decision of the mod. :p
How hard can it be to keep a civil tone on the web? It shouldn't be as hard as many make it out to be.
totgeboren wrote: I just don't get what so many of you did to get banned?
I don't get it either. And when one don't get why one was banned, it's usually bad .
To be fair, in most cases it was entirely obvious to everyone except themselves that they would get banned. A good example is the "bikes vs termies" debate previously mentioned that resulted in a ban. If you can't accept that there are situations in the game where a Terminator will be of better use than a bike, and you have to insult everyone that don't agree with you in a really rude manner, then you might get banned.
Of course there are situations to the contrary, where people got banned even though they were only baited by trolls or whatever.
But in my experience, most people who got banned, where I followed the thread that resulted in the ban, deserved it. :p
How hard can it be to keep a civil tone on the web? It shouldn't be as hard as many make it out to be.
So, do you get banned just for thinking Terminators are inferior to bikes in every way or being rude? Because the wording of your statement implies the former...
totgeboren wrote: I just don't get what so many of you did to get banned?
I don't get it either. And when one don't get why one was banned, it's usually bad .
To be fair, in most cases it was entirely obvious to everyone except themselves that they would get banned. A good example is the "bikes vs termies" debate previously mentioned that resulted in a ban. If you can't accept that there are situations in the game where a Terminator will be of better use than a bike, and you have to insult everyone that don't agree with you in a really rude manner, then you might get banned.
Of course there are situations to the contrary, where people got banned even though they were only baited by trolls or whatever.
But in my experience, most people who got banned, where I followed the thread that resulted in the ban, deserved it. Or at the very least I could fully understand the decision of the mod. :p
How hard can it be to keep a civil tone on the web? It shouldn't be as hard as many make it out to be.
There is no situation, ever, where a terminator is better than a bike !
And if you think there is .. I will fight you about it! !!! Rarrghh!!
(Welcome to Dakka )
To be fair, being bated into being banned by an act of trollship happens everywhere. Sadly, it's rare that the troll themselves ever seems to get banned (although there is the 'ignore' button, which helps somewhat as long as you have willpower not to click on 'reveal' )
totgeboren wrote: I just don't get what so many of you did to get banned?
I don't get it either. And when one don't get why one was banned, it's usually bad .
To be fair, in most cases it was entirely obvious to everyone except themselves that they would get banned. A good example is the "bikes vs termies" debate previously mentioned that resulted in a ban. If you can't accept that there are situations in the game where a Terminator will be of better use than a bike, and you have to insult everyone that don't agree with you in a really rude manner, then you might get banned.
Of course there are situations to the contrary, where people got banned even though they were only baited by trolls or whatever.
But in my experience, most people who got banned, where I followed the thread that resulted in the ban, deserved it. Or at the very least I could fully understand the decision of the mod. :p
How hard can it be to keep a civil tone on the web? It shouldn't be as hard as many make it out to be.
There is no situation, ever, where a terminator is better than a bike !
And if you think there is .. I will fight you about it! !!! Rarrghh!!
(Welcome to Dakka )
To be fair, being bated into being banned by an act of trollship happens everywhere. Sadly, it's rare that the troll themselves ever seems to get banned (although there is the 'ignore' button, which helps somewhat as long as you have willpower not to click on 'reveal' )
A terminator is much better at being terrible than a bike.
totgeboren wrote: I just don't get what so many of you did to get banned?
I had I think around 2.5k posts over there, and only received a warning once (for making fun of a furry, which I guess is sorta rude, but seriously...)
Perhaps that place was a lot nicer if you were only really into 40k?
Oh, no. the GW forums was the biggest collection of toxic masochists I've ever seen;
"I hate GW! 40k is rubbish!"
"Then why don't you house rule the bits you don't like, or play something else?"
"House rules are evil, and only cheats use them. And I don't like other games, only GW."
Riiight. *backs away slowly* "NURSE! he's out of bed again!"
There is no situation, ever, where a terminator is better than a bike !
And if you think there is .. I will fight you about it! !!! Rarrghh!!
OT but I'll bite. Assaulting the third floor of a ruin?
Being shot at by Thousand sons or Battlecannons?
Being immune to small arms fire within the confines of a Landraider?
Teleporting clear across the board and firing melta rather than boosting there and hoping you live to fire said meltaguns?
Being charged by jetbikes with powerswords?
When members get too popular on Warseer, the mods start watching them like hawks for any excuse to get rid of them.
I got a strike for "flamebaiting" when I posted a Kid_Kyoto styled satirical codex review. And then a suspension for a thread in their version of Nuts&Bolts asking why satire isn't allowed. A link to an anti-furry comic sealed the deal.
Same story with many others I considered pillars of the community. Maybe most notably Lord Malek, who would answer any rules question within minutes, complete with page references.
lord_blackfang wrote: When members get too popular on Warseer, the mods start watching them like hawks for any excuse to get rid of them.
I got a strike for "flamebaiting" when I posted a Kid_Kyoto styled satirical codex review. And then a suspension for a thread in their version of Nuts&Bolts asking why satire isn't allowed. A link to an anti-furry comic sealed the deal.
Same story with many others I considered pillars of the community. Maybe most notably Lord Malek, who would answer any rules question within minutes, complete with page references.
Although in his case, the fact that every now and then he'd have a sudden and unexpected rage break was what struck him out.
reds8n wrote: Rest assured one day soon the MODs there will be crushing your hopes and dreams once again.
They cannot do that if I don't go there. And I cannot go there because I am banned .
Seriously, I cannot even remember how/when/why I was banned. Just that it felt terribly unfair and that I don't want to go there anymore.
AndrewGPaul wrote:Oh, no. the GW forums was the biggest collection of toxic masochists I've ever seen;
"I hate GW! 40k is rubbish!"
"Then why don't you house rule the bits you don't like, or play something else?"
"House rules are evil, and only cheats use them. And I don't like other games, only GW."
Riiight. *backs away slowly* "NURSE! he's out of bed again!"
Blimey, yes. I rarely looked twice at the 40K boards, but just some of the ocassional threads in GW General would stump you. There were a number of threads along the lines of 'what would you do if GW folded?' or 'what other games would you move to?'. In all the responses to them, I kept seeing people who'd say they'd quit gaming altogether without 40K, but only one or two who said they still played 40K because of the rules. Most stuck around because of the fluff, or sometimes the models. But they wouldn't port the fluff and models to a different, arguably better set of rules because it's 'not 40K'.
Hence my previous post.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
They cannot do that if I don't go there. And I cannot go there because I am banned .
Seriously, I cannot even remember how/when/why I was banned. Just that it felt terribly unfair and that I don't want to go there anymore.
Ditto! Except I remember. And before Totbegoren starts casting aspersions again, it was for an offhand giggle that wouldn't earn me a warning here.
(In fact, after some anecdotes here, I get a little paranoid that it was 'looking twice at the 40K boards' that really did me in.)
And the bleedin' forum software still sent me a 'Happy Birthday from Warseer!' email on the day...
Oh yeah I just remembered how one time we all got strikes for very roundabout mentions of things from a leaked codex scan, around the same time as a mod posted a full review of the codex based on the same leaked scan. The mods also read users' Private Messages for mentions of the leak.
I got clobbered for linking to Space Hulk board section scans on Boardgame Geek (with permission to photocopy markers on them) in a thread filled with scans of Space Hulk board sections which continued to exist long after
Vermis wrote: Oguhmek's mention of the xenos plog board reminds me that there were more subdivisions than that. But by the same token, yeah - a coupla 40K plog boards, fantasy plog board, terrain plog board, and 'everything else'.
Maybe Dakka could use a bit more division in it's plogs, or more sorting mechanisms, but TBH I think GW-only fans could use an RDA of 'everything else' every so often. Lets them get used to new experiences so they don't freak out and start snapping when unfamiliar things pop up.
I saw Cesar Milan do it, once.
I think that's part of it, but from everything I've seen in the various discussion about new subforums, the Admin team puts a high priority on keeping traffic in each board high. The factor I've seen tossed around is age of oldest thread on the first page of a board. If you look at P&M blogs right now, you'll see threads with last posts of about 20 hours ago, which actually makes it one of the more vibrant boards on Dakka. Dakka Discussions has two week old threads on page one, News & Rumors is about 24 hours, even the dread OT has ten day old threads on page one.
However... such high churn rewards the bloggers that are updating regularly, or have a lot of followers commenting. The cream rises to the top.
Sorting Plogs by content also limits the OP to that topic. I started a blog with the New Year, initially showing the painting of my KOW Ogre Mega Armies. However, I'll want to branch out to my other projects without starting a new blog.
Ditto! Except I remember. And before Totbegoren starts casting aspersions again, it was for an offhand giggle that wouldn't earn me a warning here.
(In fact, after some anecdotes here, I get a little paranoid that it was 'looking twice at the 40K boards' that really did me in.)
I didn't intend to cast aspersions at anyone, it was just that I saw on more than one occasion someone acting like a total dick, get banned, then make a new user and act like they had been super unfairly treated, even though their behaviour was avalible for all to see just by reading the thread.
The only thing that bothered me about that board was the language rules. Seriously, did they think their readers were a bunch of 8-year olds?
I mean, I would be surprised if less than 99% of the board members are at least teenagers or above, and if you can't handle at least some coarse language at that age, you have no business playing games about people hacking each other to bits.
Though, perhaps my use of the word 'dick' is a bannable offence here too? :p
Though, perhaps my use of the word 'dick' is a bannable offence here too? :p
Nah, it's pretty liberal here. Some words are changed by the expletive filter such as feth and gak. But lesser insults don't tend to attract a visit from bane...
It was my primary forum until I got banned in September it think?
Meh... I think I said something along the lines of,
"troll?... I have not yet begun to troll young man! And when do, you'll be scared of bridges for life....
....The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!"
The later being a quote from a favourite scientists of mine.
That was because someone was infact chatting utter nonsense about a reel of games. Pointing out their flaws in an attempt to make his one, preferred, perfect game system appear spotlessly perfect.
I don't normally flame but if you'd have read the drivel coming out, you'd have flashed too ;-)
Well that's nice. Perhaps I will move over here on a more permanent basis.
Would be nice to be able to have a normal conversation with other adults without having to pretend like I'm in a mormon church or something.
Though, perhaps my use of the word 'dick' is a bannable offence here too? :p
Nah, it's pretty liberal here. Some words are changed by the expletive filter such as feth and gak. But lesser insults don't tend to attract a visit from bane...
Calling someone on here a dick directly would probably get you in trouble (post removed with light reprimand), but calling somebody like the dick who raised the price on AIDS treatment and is the most hated man in the world? It's okay to call him a dick.
reds8n wrote: Rest assured one day soon the MODs there will be crushing your hopes and dreams once again.
They cannot do that if I don't go there. And I cannot go there because I am banned .
Seriously, I cannot even remember how/when/why I was banned. Just that it felt terribly unfair and that I don't want to go there anymore.
Warseer's main purpose as a site was to try the latest ban-dodging skillz
lord_blackfang wrote: When members get too popular on Warseer, the mods start watching them like hawks for any excuse to get rid of them.
I got a strike for "flamebaiting" when I posted a Kid_Kyoto styled satirical codex review. And then a suspension for a thread in their version of Nuts&Bolts asking why satire isn't allowed. A link to an anti-furry comic sealed the deal.
Same story with many others I considered pillars of the community. Maybe most notably Lord Malek, who would answer any rules question within minutes, complete with page references.
I once got a warning for replying to someone else's mildly humorous comment stating that I thought it was funny and furthering the joke. (Can't remember the specifics, but it was completely innocuous and inoffensive; something related to the fluff of a codex under discussion, or something.) The reason for the warning was I had been making "spam" posts. It was my only reply to the entire thread that was several pages long.
That was the last time I posted there; I decided that this level of moderation was too high for my entertainment threshold to endure.
Edit: I found the old thread. It was on the rumors for the DE codex (two DE codices ago). Someone wrote, "About the only thing we know for sure is that Squats aren't coming out this year." I responded with, "What, no Squats? Nooooooooo!" That resulted in the warning.
I would imagine this was the real reason for your warning, not "spam" as they seemed to suggest. I'm sure the other guy got a big no-no for bringing them up as well. I mean, when you have reason to believe GW is listening in, Squats are more hush-hush than the Star Wars Holiday Special, for crying out loud.
I would imagine this was the real reason for your warning, not "spam" as they seemed to suggest. I'm sure the other guy got a big no-no for bringing them up as well. I mean, when you have reason to believe GW is listening in, Squats are more hush-hush than the Star Wars Holiday Special, for crying out loud.
This is the quote from the e-mail they sent me:
"This is spam. Don't do it. This is a verbal warning. "
Lots of the Demiurg background was on Warseer wasn't it? I can't believe the mods would have censored discussion of Squats on the forum, as Demiurg were just essentially a more modern re-imagining of the stunty ones.
There is no situation, ever, where a terminator is better than a bike !
And if you think there is .. I will fight you about it! !!! Rarrghh!!
OT but I'll bite. Assaulting the third floor of a ruin?
Being shot at by Thousand sons or Battlecannons?
Being immune to small arms fire within the confines of a Landraider?
Teleporting clear across the board and firing melta rather than boosting there and hoping you live to fire said meltaguns?
Being charged by jetbikes with powerswords?
I was just (trying!) to joke,
Have absolutely no idea which is better than which, or what I was talking about!
You should have quickly converted and painted up a couple of squats and explained you are actually a keen squat enthusiast and have turned ultraviolet from holding your breath for so long for anything more than a throw away mention by GW.
Also, turns out the 'whine' at whineseer was the sound of the servers failing .
I hope any new warseerites on dakkadakka don't go mad with their new found freedom.
Did Icedcrow ever make it to Dakka? He was always interesting! Oh and Malorian, Malorian had some great OnG stuff on the fantasy side (was malorian even banned or did he just give up on Fantasy)?
Did Icedcrow ever make it to Dakka? He was always interesting! Oh and Malorian, Malorian had some great OnG stuff on the fantasy side (was malorian even banned or did he just give up on Fantasy)?
Malorian is very much a tournament/competitive player and slowly started to migrate to Warmachine until he decided to stick to that exclusively. The last time I checked out his channel he mentioned he was looking into The 9th Age, but I haven't checked it out since (and that was a few months ago).
I only ever went to the GW General section, but that Wintermute character ruled with an iron fist, things got locked for just mentioning pricing (not in the pricing thread) because it was "off topic", threads talking about something that could have maybe gone elsewhere were locked, anything talking about Chapterhouse was deleted without a trace, same with that petition floating around; deleted without a trace, all records expunged. A lot of posts that wanted to start tangential discussions were removed without warning for being off topic in a thread discussing it. Those guys were basically complete GW stooges, and made BOLS look tame. If it's gone, then good riddance to bad rubbish.
I would imagine this was the real reason for your warning, not "spam" as they seemed to suggest. I'm sure the other guy got a big no-no for bringing them up as well. I mean, when you have reason to believe GW is listening in, Squats are more hush-hush than the Star Wars Holiday Special, for crying out loud.
Really! A few of us had a 300+ page thread and several sub-threads about the "Death of" said unnameable race.
That's not a sanctioned emoticon BrookM, consider yourself on notice super secret probation.
It's a tough love..
Tough but fair!
He knows the drill...
All kidding aside, Warseer will be back - and when it is, go there, or don't go there, but if everyone could dial back the venom a bit, that would be...nice.
I had an account there i think and one at 40konline and another one can't remember.
But as i dabble in many systems and use proxies and commit heresy on the perfect Space marine form posting in some of those forums became problematic.
But i wouldn't like warseer to vanish, Echo chambers have their place too
Only used to go there for rumours and leaks, which they broke quite a few of in the last year, and background. Though that got less fun, when you do a what if? scenario and someones saying only GDubs can come up with theorys about anything.
I got warned for calling the Ecclesiarchy, bible thumpers.
Banned for bypassing the swear filter with Asterix swearing. @#%^@*&.
Mr. Burning wrote: Warseer refugees may not be able to cope with non sanctioned and heretical posts about GW, let alone
Moderation aside Warseer's biggest problem was the awful eclectic forum layout. It wasn't a great place to hang out if you didn't like GW games. In that respect it hadn't changed that much since I first started lurking on Portent (drawn in my the GW rumours with reliablility ratings of all things). Dakka's 'other games' (Warmachine and Flames of War) support was the best of the major forums back when I first stopped lurking and started posting here (a million years ago) and is arguably still the best available.
Mr. Burning wrote: Warseer refugees may not be able to cope with non sanctioned and heretical posts about GW, let alone
Moderation aside Warseer's biggest problem was the awful eclectic forum layout. It wasn't a great place to hang out if you didn't like GW games. In that respect it hadn't changed that much since I first started lurking on Portent (drawn in my the GW rumours with reliablility ratings of all things). Dakka's 'other games' (Warmachine and Flames of War) support was the best of the major forums back when I first stopped lurking and started posting here (a million years ago) and is arguably still the best available.
A layout that was enforced to the point of handing out infractions to people for posting a third-party 40k-related product in the 40k News forum.
Their inflexibility always reminds me of a good saying in my language that I can't find in English but translates to "clinging to [the rules] like a drunk to a fence post."
I have to admit I'm surprised to hear all about this banning. I only joined Warseer8 weeks ago and just missed it except for one guy posters
Pointed out was banned before he returned a day or two later. This was all above my head I guess
Anyway, I did like the GW specific board (or whatever the correct term for that is) even if the content was sometimes well, just hilarious yeah, from my little experience Dakka is harder to navigate but it's just preference i guess. Love the flags and of course, ork emoticons seals the deal.
lord_blackfang wrote: A layout that was enforced to the point of handing out infractions to people for posting a third-party 40k-related product in the 40k News forum.
Dozens of separate rumours forums for games that barely generated a thread's worth of rumours. Unnavigable madness.
Ironically I was told not to post here because I use orange, yet I have only ever been warned on Warseer (and deserved it, as I was swearing up a storm at someone).
Rose-colored glasses when people divide themselves into groups, always. I will fade back into the night, though I will say this: at least some of the people on Warseer who made it worth reading will simply walk away, rather than continue with the hobby.
This is always the real tragedy of things vanishing.
Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
Azreal13 wrote: Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.
This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.
Azreal13 wrote: Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.
This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.
For me, the most unbearable aspect of Warseer's moderation was the willful decisions to cut interesting discussion as topics slid inexorably away from the original topic. Instead of splitting topics off and allowing posters to enjoy the active and informative (though tangential) discussion they might have been having (and God forbid! Actually learning something new), the mods preferred to lock topics left and right and delete the things THEY decided were off-topic.
Despite my issues with the mods there though, and in all fairness to Wintermute, I got banned there once and he reinstated me after I sent him a message outlining my issues with the moderation.
Art Steventon wrote: I must admit, I never understood how so many trained accountants got any work done whilst continuing to post endless critiques on GWs finances...
I find having terrible data reporting systems at work makes it really easy.
Reinholt wrote: Ironically I was told not to post here because I use orange, yet I have only ever been warned on Warseer (and deserved it, as I was swearing up a storm at someone).
Rose-colored glasses when people divide themselves into groups, always. I will fade back into the night, though I will say this: at least some of the people on Warseer who made it worth reading will simply walk away, rather than continue with the hobby.
This is always the real tragedy of things vanishing.
That's weird. It's a shame you got told off for the orange text, I really couldn't care less what colour someone posts in. I'm sure I've seen other posters posting in Lilac or something!
I used to go over to Warseer to read your stuff when the accounts came out.
Isn't orange used for Mod speak? And I would be worried to hear they told you not to post, but rather I imagine it was simply 'don't post in orange' surely?
I thought red was the standard for mod speak then a few of them picked up orange. The orange is a bit better to read than the red on the default theme though.
Azreal13 wrote: Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.
This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.
For me, the most unbearable aspect of Warseer's moderation was the willful decisions to cut interesting discussion as topics slid inexorably away from the original topic. Instead of splitting topics off and allowing posters to enjoy the active and informative (though tangential) discussion they might have been having (and God forbid! Actually learning something new), the mods preferred to lock topics left and right and delete the things THEY decided were off-topic.
Despite my issues with the mods there though, and in all fairness to Wintermute, I got banned there once and he reinstated me after I sent him a message outlining my issues with the moderation.
I second this. There was a lot of interesting threads that was simply locked without warning as apart to having the thread split off, or even a remeinder of keeping stuff on topic, which contributed to traffic starting to dwindle on the forum quite a bit. That would be my main criticism of the moderation on Warseer.
I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.
Azreal13 wrote: Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
So it's ok for the Mods to do what they claim you do and ban you for it? I guess in Warseer it's "do as I say, not as I do.".
I am just curious what are the Mods doing now. Having no power, they must be going crazy.
That being said, Warseer was a good site. It was my first site because when I used Yahoo or what ever it was at the time for search engines, Warseer was the first link posted for 40K forums. I have become a Whineseer. I am shocked what other nerd and geeks being faceless can turn you into. Thing is I looked in the mirror and saying "what have I become". Funny once I stopped becoming a whine seer, I got banned for what Mods do. I guess it's ok for a Mod to say or do something but we can't.
Oh well, I am glad I got banned. If I never got banned, I would have never found Dakka. I Love this place.
Reinholt wrote: Ironically I was told not to post here because I use orange, yet I have only ever been warned on Warseer (and deserved it, as I was swearing up a storm at someone).
Rose-colored glasses when people divide themselves into groups, always. I will fade back into the night, though I will say this: at least some of the people on Warseer who made it worth reading will simply walk away, rather than continue with the hobby.
This is always the real tragedy of things vanishing.
That's weird. It's a shame you got told off for the orange text, I really couldn't care less what colour someone posts in. I'm sure I've seen other posters posting in Lilac or something!
I used to go over to Warseer to read your stuff when the accounts came out.
It's actually specified in the rules that no colour should be applied to full texts. I believe the reason for this is because we use it as a way for people to separate between when a mod is acting a 'modly' capacity, and when they're just posting like normal. It also keeps text visible for people using certain ways of accessing Dakka. So it's not an unreasonable or pointless request.
I feel I should mention here to prevent any misconceptions of mods wielding their banehammers, that there was no 'telling off' involved with Mr Reinholt. When the above was pointed out in an extremely polite/friendly tone, he decided he preferred to stick to Warseer where he could use his coloured text because it is easier for posting using his phone. Which is fair enough all around. No arguments, chastisements, or anything like that.
Azreal13 wrote: Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.
This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.
Anyone else finding this post really hard to read? Some font problems or something.
I find all of Reinholt's posts hard to read because I use the worksafe theme with white background rather than the default black one and orange on white is especially hard to read. That's what you have to take into account; nobody minds you using whatever colour you want but you have to appreciate that not everyone uses the default theme.
Azreal13 wrote: Where's the irony in being told not to do something that's against the rules, when you explicitly and implicitly agree to abide by those rules when creating an account on a privately owned site you have no given right to access to?
The irony is given the prior several pages of "oh but the iron-fisted mods", and yet the guy who swears all the time and throws some extremely sharp elbows is somehow given a hard time at the place with the allegedly loose moderating and vice-versa.
This is actually not intended as criticism of Dakka - they are welcome to do whatever they want! It is their site! And, honestly, it's probably pretty well run? I don't really know. Strange to have the ability to post in colors and then ban the posting of colors which are already all over the theme of the website itself, but weirder things have happened. I am instead suggesting that one should not believe everything one hears on the internet (shocking), and that the moderation at Warseer is actually pretty reasonable given the amount of garbage they have to deal with.
For me, the most unbearable aspect of Warseer's moderation was the willful decisions to cut interesting discussion as topics slid inexorably away from the original topic. Instead of splitting topics off and allowing posters to enjoy the active and informative (though tangential) discussion they might have been having (and God forbid! Actually learning something new), the mods preferred to lock topics left and right and delete the things THEY decided were off-topic.
Despite my issues with the mods there though, and in all fairness to Wintermute, I got banned there once and he reinstated me after I sent him a message outlining my issues with the moderation.
This reminds me of another of my few warnings I received on warseer! Once I created a thread on a topic that I knew would create a bunch of barely related whining (was a background question, I knew it was going to create game mechanic complaints). As a background question I stated any complaints about game mechanics would be reported as off topic/spam and should be made elsewhere... imagine my surprise to receive a warning for 'threatening behaviour' :S.
Zywus wrote: I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.
Back to the moral judgements based on 'feeling' and ignoring evidence, then.
Zywus wrote: I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.
Back to the moral judgements based on 'feeling' and ignoring evidence, then.
Are you implying I ever stopped?
But seriously, "ignoring evidence"? What evidence has been brought forth here?
Zywus wrote: I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.
As the original poster, it looks like I have some news. I just tried going to Warseer, and now, instead of a "website unavailable" screen, I get a bunch of info about how the site is under maintenance or upgrades.
It's currently appearing as a white 404 page saying the requested URL couldn't be found on the server when I try to access the site via Google on IPad Safari browser.
Zywus wrote: I kinda think the amount of people lamenting being banned is more indicative of their own behavior actually as I've seen very few bannings even during the most heated months of AoS discussion after the death of WHFB.
Are the ban made public now?
Not more than the status of accounts being changed to "banned". Though that change would show up on any post made by that account.
wuestenfux wrote: I think it's time to close this thread. Don't give Reinholdt and company a forum for discussion.
Good idea, on a thread where so many people complained about Warseer mods silencing people they didn't like and being proud of Dakka being different, let's do the exact same thing we say they were doing! That will show them that we are not a bunch of liars and hypocrites!... no wait a second, something doesn't sound right with my reasoning...
So if I may ask, and I know I can, why do you want them to not talk and what warrant that thread to be closed? Are you afraid that if tensions, miscommunications and bitterness start dropping down a few levels, we may suddenly realize that Warseer posters are not the source of evil some people believe them to be? That's a bad thing how exactly? I assume I don't risk being banned for asking.
I may have my own beef with Warseer moderation, but personally I think that that thread make Dakka look considerably more aggressive and petty than it truly is, which is a shame.
wuestenfux wrote: I think it's time to close this thread. Don't give Reinholdt and company a forum for discussion.
Good idea, on a thread where so many people complained about Warseer mods silencing people they didn't like and being proud of Dakka being different, let's do the exact same thing we say they were doing! That will show them that we are not a bunch of liars and hypocrites!... no wait a second, something doesn't sound right with my reasoning...
So if I may ask, and I know I can, why do you want them to not talk and what warrant that thread to be closed? Are you afraid that if tensions, miscommunications and bitterness start dropping down a few levels, we may suddenly realize that Warseer posters are not the source of evil some people believe them to be? That's a bad thing how exactly? Are you a mod here, do I risk being banned for daring to ask that question?
Im getting an Apache filesystem when I go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/, looks like they're rebuilding the forum from scratch then (hopefully) applying a database backup over it to bring things back up to date
Charax wrote: Im getting an Apache filesystem when I go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/, looks like they're rebuilding the forum from scratch then (hopefully) applying a database backup over it to bring things back up to date
Wulfson_40K wrote: Why would it be a joke? Since early in the thread wuestenfux position regarding Warseer looked crystal clear.
Why would it not be? You say yourself that their position regarding Warseer is clear, why would they suddenly switch not just to imitating the forum they dislike, but imitating their main criticism of it, if not simply to make a joke? Making clearly contradictory or ironic statements for the purposes of humour and comedic effect is very common, whereas criticising someone for doing something and immediately copying it yourself is, outside of politics, comparatively rare. It's certainly far more reasonable to assume it wasn't a serious suggestion.
Wulfson_40K wrote: Why would it be a joke? Since early in the thread wuestenfux position regarding Warseer looked crystal clear.
Why would it not be? You say yourself that their position regarding Warseer is clear, why would they suddenly switch not just to imitating the forum they dislike, but imitating their main criticism of it, if not simply to make a joke? Making clearly contradictory or ironic statements for the purposes of humour and comedic effect is very common, whereas criticising someone for doing something and immediately copying it yourself is, outside of politics, comparatively rare. It's certainly far more reasonable to assume it wasn't a serious suggestion.
What you say is true, but I don't know. I always assume that when people really really hate something they do or say things that don't look reasonable or make sense from a third party PoV. I mean not only do I bathe in that everyday, I am myself a culprit of it. I just assumed that was the case here, thus why I found the statement ironic.
Ketara wrote: I feel I should mention here to prevent any misconceptions of mods wielding their banehammers, that there was no 'telling off' involved with Mr Reinholt. When the above was pointed out in an extremely polite/friendly tone, he decided he preferred to stick to Warseer where he could use his coloured text because it is easier for posting using his phone. Which is fair enough all around. No arguments, chastisements, or anything like that.
I am posting only to say that this is 100% true and if anyone thinks I have a problem with Dakka, they are wrong: people are always entitled to run their stuff however they see fit, and the mods here were nothing if not polite. (Many things I say are joking or exaggerated for effect - this is not. The mods were genuinely polite and it's cool.)
filbert wrote: I find all of Reinholt's posts hard to read because I use the worksafe theme with white background rather than the default black one and orange on white is especially hard to read. That's what you have to take into account; nobody minds you using whatever colour you want but you have to appreciate that not everyone uses the default theme.
This, on the other hand, is a complete lie and everyone knows it. My posts are hard to read because I'm borderline incoherent and probably flying rodent gak insane. Don't besmirch my reputation by alleging it's just some nonsense with fonts and colors. You are better than that.
wuestenfux wrote: I think it's time to close this thread. Don't give Reinholdt and company a forum for discussion.
I agree! I have it on good authority that guy is the kind of person who supports the moderating at Tau Whatever They Call It. He even stole an extra d and put it in my name; how can you trust anyone who does that? Plus, he's on the internet, so that totally means he is a bad person. I will put my money where my mouth is by self-banning myself.
Art Steventon wrote: I must admit, I never understood how so many trained accountants got any work done whilst continuing to post endless critiques on GWs finances...
This. Those analysis as well as the painting section, and 40k Background sections were my favorite places. I've long since effectively quit the hobby, but not a day went by without me checking in. I've uninstalled tapatalk since the site went down, and here I am... That community had been a part of my life since 1999. I am truly sad to see it go.
Charax wrote: Im getting an Apache filesystem when I go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/, looks like they're rebuilding the forum from scratch then (hopefully) applying a database backup over it to bring things back up to date
Well, I say hopefully...
I'm using Edge and am getting a 404 not found.
It's because you did not remove the extra colon at the end of the URL I guess .
Charax wrote: Im getting an Apache filesystem when I go to http://www.warseer.com/forums/, looks like they're rebuilding the forum from scratch then (hopefully) applying a database backup over it to bring things back up to date
Well, I say hopefully...
I'm using Edge and am getting a 404 not found.
It's because you did not remove the extra colon at the end of the URL I guess .
As I said on the last page, I'm getting the same message as KB when I try to access the site from a Google search.
Skimming through the Google searches for Warseer's current status, Reddit thinks Dakka is dead or dying.
I kinda had the feeling that Dakka was quite dead n terms of user base. there just didnt seem to be that much activity. Ill have a look thanks!
Get pedalling, people!
Reddit thinks everywhere except Reddit is dying, and have since it started.
Technically, everything is dying from the moment it was brought to life.
#deepthoughts
Speak for yourself mortal, I'm going to live forever.
Sad to see Warseer go, It was the first forum I did anything more than lurk on, but I haven't really used it in ages. My hobby focus moved away from 40K and onto many other things and it was a narrowly focused site.
Skimming through the Google searches for Warseer's current status, Reddit thinks Dakka is dead or dying.
I kinda had the feeling that Dakka was quite dead n terms of user base. there just didnt seem to be that much activity. Ill have a look thanks!
Get pedalling, people!
Reddit thinks everywhere except Reddit is dying, and have since it started.
Which is funny because I thought reddit was one of those sites like twitter that built a user base and totally failed to monetize it and are now circling the drain.
jonolikespie wrote: Aren't we the biggest wargaming forum by a wide margin these days?
Yeah, but Dakka still seems to be mostly Heroic scale models. Personally I'd like to see other scales represented more like 15mm and 6mm games/miniatures.
Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
Vermis wrote: Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
Spoiler:
That's a lot of words to say...
15mm WW2 goes in one subforum and the rest go in the other subforum.
At this point, I could revive my forum at tabletopgaming.org to service a more general tabletop gaming audience. I've been wondering what to do with the domain.
Vermis wrote: Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
Spoiler:
From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come." They only create new forums when the parent forum is too busy, or when there is ample traffic in multiple other forums to create one specialized one (such as 30k).
Oh yeah, that's normal. It's because this is not the url of an actual file, the forum software is supposed to generate it on the fly when asked for it, and it is not currently running.
Vermis wrote: Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
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From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come." They only create new forums when the parent forum is too busy, or when there is ample traffic in multiple other forums to create one specialized one (such as 30k).
Pretty much.
The issue with the historicals is that they're rather oddly manned forums. 15mm WW2 Is large enough to have its own forum, and since Flames of War pretty much dominates the 15mm scale for WW2, regardless of what manufacturer's models are being used for it, it makes sense for that forum to be centred around FoW. PSC's Battlegroup doesn't have the following FoW does, but neither is it limited to 15mm, being primarily designed for 15mm or 20mm. 28mm Being different, and largely made for use with Bolt Action would also not fit in that forum, and a combined WWII forum would be the same as having 40k, Fantasy, and AoS sharing a forum. Another issue is that FoW doesn't just cover WWII, but also Great War, AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee, and unlike GW, none of these has the numbers to get their own forum on their own, so you'd end up having WWII 6mm, 15mm, 20mm, 28mm, >28mm, Great War 15mm, AIW 15mm, Vietnam 15mm, and Cold War-Gone-Hot 15mm, all sharing the same forum, but then AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee especially are hardly 'historical', but they don't have the following to get their own forum...
Trying to put all the WWII stuff together creates a far larger mess than simply separating off 15mm under the general banner of Battlefront - Flames of War, and leaving everything else as historicals.
Are your models 15mm? Yes. Are they WWII? Yes. They go in the FoW/15mm WWII forum. If your answer to either/both of those questions is 'no', then they go in Historical Gaming. It's really rather straightforward.
Oh yeah, that's normal. It's because this is not the url of an actual file, the forum software is supposed to generate it on the fly when asked for it, and it is not currently running.
I know it's normal; the forum's down, so obviously it won't be there. I was just pointing out that sing's issue wasn't so 'wierd'.
Wintermute wrote: Given your experience with forums, I'd figure quoting the right person would be easier for you?
No true son of Warseer would burden their minds with the decadent and debased mores of such a hive of scum and villainy as Dakka. Pish tosh, good sir! Pish. Tosh.
Joking aside, good to hear they're on the way back. I'm trying to review some things I liked from one of their modelling posts and figured "I'll bookmark this and come back to it when I get the supplies"...yeah, that didn't work out so great.
Korinov wrote: It would be cool if Wintermute hosted a super re-welcome party when Warseer is back and running, with some kind of raffle. The 10 winners get a ban.
I am just curious what are the Mods doing now. Having no power, they must be going crazy.
No they are probably having a well earned rest, I know I am.
As to the site itself, there has been a very serious problem with the database and the web server.
Are we dead? Not that I know of, but getting WarSeer back up and running is taking much longer than we would have liked.
Do I have an estimate to how long it will take, no and its out of my hands. I will try and find out a bit more though and let you all know.
Wintermute
Harry wrote:
Korinov wrote: It would be cool if Wintermute hosted a super re-welcome party when Warseer is back and running, with some kind of raffle. The 10 winners get a ban.
Should that be ... the 10 whiners get a ban.
I'll get my coat.
Welcome to the forum guys. I remember you guys from long ago before I got banned.
Harry you still giving out rumours not that Fantasy is dead? I remember you were big on Fantasy correct? Winterminute been so long can't remember how you moderated, but hopefully you will enjoy your time here.
Korinov wrote: It would be cool if Wintermute hosted a super re-welcome party when Warseer is back and running, with some kind of raffle. The 10 winners get a ban.
Art Steventon wrote: I must admit, I never understood how so many trained accountants got any work done whilst continuing to post endless critiques on GWs finances...
You don't know how accountants work then. The only ones that put in hours upon hours are the ones putting in their dues in their 20s or ladder climbers. Any accountant who knows the game will be doing 25 hour weeks, either at their own practice or in a job where their certification makes them such a high demand hire that they can waste 3+ hours a day on personal projects. All the work gets dumped on the clerks while the certified accountants only work hard at certain times of the year when something has a due date.
In my own IT work, we had an efficiency expert come in and have us do internet usage analysis and it was the finance department that wasted hours a day online. Not a single one got laid off because the department was hitting all their due dates and there's a labor shortage of certified accountants. They got talked to, but a few weeks later their personal internet usage was back up where it was before the investigation and they all got their yearly raises.
timetowaste85 wrote: Our accountant at work has admitted he works about 4 hours a day outside of tax season. Bonus of working for a private company. Lucky sod.
Exactly. A guy in my D&D group has said the same thing. 8 months of the year it's 20 hour weeks, then 1 month at 50-70 and then 2 full months of vacation. If he was remotely interested in 40k, I could see him spending hours each work day trying to explain GW's financials to people. instead I think he spends his time being a yelp reviewer or something.
I've also noticed that all the people claiming to be accountants or former accountants at warseer all say the exact same thing about GW: A continual slow decline but not any immediate risk. And they've been consistently correct.
Vermis wrote: Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
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From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come." They only create new forums when the parent forum is too busy, or when there is ample traffic in multiple other forums to create one specialized one (such as 30k).
Pretty much.
The issue with the historicals is that they're rather oddly manned forums. 15mm WW2 Is large enough to have its own forum, and since Flames of War pretty much dominates the 15mm scale for WW2, regardless of what manufacturer's models are being used for it, it makes sense for that forum to be centred around FoW. PSC's Battlegroup doesn't have the following FoW does, but neither is it limited to 15mm, being primarily designed for 15mm or 20mm. 28mm Being different, and largely made for use with Bolt Action would also not fit in that forum, and a combined WWII forum would be the same as having 40k, Fantasy, and AoS sharing a forum. Another issue is that FoW doesn't just cover WWII, but also Great War, AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee, and unlike GW, none of these has the numbers to get their own forum on their own, so you'd end up having WWII 6mm, 15mm, 20mm, 28mm, >28mm, Great War 15mm, AIW 15mm, Vietnam 15mm, and Cold War-Gone-Hot 15mm, all sharing the same forum, but then AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee especially are hardly 'historical', but they don't have the following to get their own forum...
Trying to put all the WWII stuff together creates a far larger mess than simply separating off 15mm under the general banner of Battlefront - Flames of War, and leaving everything else as historicals.
Are your models 15mm? Yes. Are they WWII? Yes. They go in the FoW/15mm WWII forum. If your answer to either/both of those questions is 'no', then they go in Historical Gaming. It's really rather straightforward.
I don't see how they can't just ignore scale and split historicals into eras, even fairly rough grained. Biblicals (<2000BC), Ancients(1999BC-1100AD), Mediavel (1101-1700), Gunpowder (1701-1900) Modern (1900>.
Is there so much FoW chatter that it'd drown out, any other scale for the periods they cover?
Blimey. I forgot all about that tangent when... he... turned up here.* Thanks Herzlos - that's pretty much what I was going to say. Though of course, it's not going to stop me banging on for a bit.
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That's a lot of words to say...
15mm WW2 goes in one subforum and the rest go in the other subforum.
And that's not enough words to say why 15mm WWII - even Battlefront - gets it's own board while other scales representing those six years of conflict get lumped in with the rest of the millenia of human warfare.
Avatar 720 wrote:15mm WW2 Is large enough to have its own forum
And WWII gaming as a whole (i.e. 15mm + everything else) isn't?
and since Flames of War pretty much dominates the 15mm scale for WW2
Does it? Sources?
it makes sense for that forum to be centred around FoW.
Why does discussion of a period and scale have to be centred around a manufacturer?
PSC's Battlegroup doesn't have the following FoW does, but neither is it limited to 15mm, being primarily designed for 15mm or 20mm.
So do as Herzlos suggested, and have a board for the period, not a game.
28mm Being different, and largely made for use with Bolt Action would also not fit in that forum
What!? What, twice. That's two 'whats'. What!? What!?
One. 28mm WWII has been around for much longer than Bolt Action, and for a wider range of rules. I can't imagine what would prompt that kind of thought except the attitude that hyped 'big box' games are the only games worth bothering about.
Two. No, I agree. 28mm Bolt Action would not fit into a 15mm FoW board. This is why you have a general WWII board.
and a combined WWII forum would be the same as having 40k, Fantasy, and AoS sharing a forum.
No, it wouldn't. In fact, that example is closer to what you're arguing for, and the current setup of Dakka's boards: division based on manufacturer. Having 40K, WFB, and AoS lumped into one board makes more or less the same sense as having, oh, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Team Yankee and so on lumped into one board. Or, KoW, Warpath, Dreadball, Mars Attacks and Dungeon Saga all lumped into one board. Madness!
Another issue is that FoWdoesn't just cover WWII, but also Great War, AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee, and unlike GW, none of these has the numbers to get their own forum on their own
Yeah... when you make one argument in one line, then start to contradict that argument in the next line, I have to wonder.
Also, when you talk about numbers, are you still talking about Battlefront-only games?
, so you'd end up having WWII 6mm, 15mm, 20mm, 28mm, >28mm, Great War 15mm, AIW 15mm, Vietnam 15mm, and Cold War-Gone-Hot 15mm, all sharing the same forum,
On one hand, I have no idea where you pulled that idea out of. On the other hand, that's the situation we have now, which maybe suggests what a daft situation it is. Anything that isn't 15mm WWII, or some FoW spinoff, gets dumped into the Historical board; along with everything from biblicals to ECW to ancients to napoleonics to dark ages to ACW to...
but then AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee especially are hardly 'historical', but they don't have the following to get their own forum...
Then perhaps have a 'moderns' board, or an extension of a WWII board, or both.
Trying to put all the WWII stuff together creates a far larger mess than simply separating off 15mm under the general banner of Battlefront - Flames of War, and leaving everything else as historicals.
Again, what!? Other forums do it perfectly well! And I can tell you it makes far more sense and less mess in theory and in practise than cherry-picking one particular manufacturer's interpretation of a period and throwing the many others into a metaphorical trash heap!
Are your models 15mm? Yes. Are they WWII? Yes. They go in the FoW/15mm WWII forum. If your answer to either/both of those questions is 'no', then they go in Historical Gaming. It's really rather straightforward.
Sez.
You.
This just speaks to me of sticking to the status quo because 'that's just the way it is', and no better reason, regardless of how illogical and restrictive the status quo is.
From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come"
Believe it or not, this is the best, most sensible reason I've been given so far, although it's just a notch or two above 'that's just the way it is'. It's an indication that for all the proud claims that Dakka is a more diverse forum than Warseer, gamewise, in this here selfsame thread, it's still very much focused on GW games and a handful of imitative, satellite manufacturers/publishers; and like many gamers struggles to break out of that manufacturer-first viewpoint.
But I'm not saying that's altogether a bad thing, or has to change completely. I'm definitely not saying something like lump 40K into a generic 'sci-fi' board along with every other sci-fi game, if the main focus of the forum is on GW games.
So yeah, for big, popular games from single manufacturers, keep their dedicated boards. But for smaller, more peripheral games (not so peripheral if you play them and love them) or indeed entire periods and genres, it might be, y'know, nice, to have just a bit more division and organisation along logical lines. If Dakka wants to boost it's image as supporting general gaming, just a tad. I think Harry's recent topic, although it's about organisation of plogs rather than gaming, illustrates how a bit more sensible pigeonholing can make things easier for members, especially new members, and might even promote activity and game diversity. For example...
Malifaux gets it's own board, fair enough, but other VSF/steampunk/gothic horror games like In Her Majesty's Name, Empire of the Dead, GASLIGHT and Dystopian Wars/Legions get lumped into 'Miscellaneous'.
Fantasy Flight spacecraft games like X-Wing and Star Trek Attack Wing get their own board, and hanging-on-by-a-thread BFG gets it's own corner with the other SGs, but other spacecraft games like Full Thrust, Firestorm Armada, Halo Fleet Battles and Noble Armada get lumped into 'Miscellaneous'. Will Dropfleet Commander follow them?
Two of the four Warmachine boards have been quiet since January, and On The Lamb Games get their own official board here for their fantasy games, despite having no posts since October. Wishing no ill to OTLG in particular, but if we're going to judge boards, genres and games based on their traffic, are all those strictly necessary? (Especially if the top topic in the OTLG board is any indication)
WFB/AoS players might start to get red-faced if 'inferior' fantasy stuff turns up in their forums, but I'd hazard that KoW players - already laid back about mixing rules and minis, especially those who evacuated from WFB - might not be too phased by their game of choice arguably being the most talked-about in a hypothetical, more generic 'Other Fantasy' board.
That applies even more to historical games, whose players generally and happily mix and match rules and minis as they see fit, as the 'background and designs' belong to history and not any single manufacturer that might stamp a copyright or trademark on them - or to a scale, which can be fairly fluid - despite what a FoW fan coming straight from 40K might think. The example that was not-very-successfully used against that idea, the fact that PSC minis can be used for FoW (and Battlefront minis for Battlegroup - imagine!), is in fact a good example for it. Keep an individual Battlefront board if FoW is that popular, but I think the rest of the WWII period - whether Battlegroup, Bolt Action, Chain of Command, I Ain't Been Shot Mum, Blitzkrieg Commander, Battlefield Evolution, Victory Decision, Poor Bloody Infantry, etc. etc. etc. - deserves just a little better than to be shoved aside into the only available, most generic bin because it's not Battlefront.
Just as an example.
I don't have any written-down, painstakingly-detailed plan of how the boards down under the 'Other Gaming' banner could be reorganised or renamed, or how nitpicky you'd have to get with subgenres and periods. (Would spacecraft games need a board outside a potential 'other sci-fi'?) I think the Lead Adventure Forum's layout is a brilliant example, though, and I think that with a little rethinking and consolidation the same general idea wouldn't take up too much more space than 'Other Gaming' takes up now. (especially if you take a long hard look at the slower boards above Other Gaming)
* I'd respond more directly, but I hazard mentioning the word 'tangent', and following it up, is enough to send him into a dizzying rage.
That said, if mods want this pertic'lar tangent moved to nuts 'n' bolts, I'll happily cut 'n' paste.
From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come"
Believe it or not, this is the best, most sensible reason I've been given so far, although it's just a notch or two above 'that's just the way it is'. It's an indication that for all the proud claims that Dakka is a more diverse forum than Warseer, gamewise, in this here selfsame thread, it's still very much focused on GW games and a handful of imitative, satellite manufacturers/publishers; and like many gamers struggles to break out of that manufacturer-first viewpoint.
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That said, if mods want this pertic'lar tangent moved to nuts 'n' bolts, I'll happily cut 'n' paste.
I think, for fairly obvious reasons, that the Admins are even more leery to remove a forum than add one. I agree that some games have an obscene amount of breathing room: Wm/Hordes is particularly egregious with four forums for less overall traffic than one decent Kickstarter thread. OTL had an arrangement with Dakka to provide official forums, so they might allow them stay longer in case the company resuscitates.
A major reorganization isn't just a question of shifting people's expectations, but also literally reassigning threads to a forum, and that's work.
Anyway, there are month old threads on the front page of Historical Gaming, Misc Games are about three weeks old on the front page, while Mantic is almost two months of threads on the front page. That's the problem: if they created new forums for every game you can imagine, there would be no threads to fill them.
What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.
To preface, I'm certain we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. This is all I'll post on the issue here, and to save you time if you want to, I'll sum it up: I disagree with you. Post your viewpoint in Nuts & Bolts and convince enough people to agree with you, and you might get the change you want; it's a damn-sight better chance than continuing to exchange words with some randomer you won't persuade.
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Vermis wrote: And WWII gaming as a whole (i.e. 15mm + everything else) isn't?
WWII as a whole wouldn't work for the same reasons a unified Warhammer board wouldn't. Too many systems and too general of an approach.
Does it? Sources?
The Currently 15mm forum being practically exclusively FoW. Note that the forum is not solely for FoW, and yet seems to contain nothing but when it comes to gaming systems.
Why does discussion of a period and scale have to be centred around a manufacturer?
I don't believe I said that the period should be centred around a manufacturer at all. I perhaps misspoke when I said 'centred' and simply meant how it is currently, being FoW having the most focus whilst also allowing other 15mm scale.
So do as Herzlos suggested, and have a board for the period, not a game.
Splitting already fairly small historicals further would just make many underused forums. The reason the Historicals forum exists is because no one historical there can really be justified a forum to itself, nor even the period really. The only one that really sticks out as being a potential candidate is Bolt Action.
One. 28mm WWII has been around for much longer than Bolt Action, and for a wider range of rules. I can't imagine what would prompt that kind of thought except the attitude that hyped 'big box' games are the only games worth bothering about.
Again, I perhaps misspoke, intending only to point out that Bolt Action seems to be the predominant game of choice for 28mm WWII, backed up the fact that it dominates the front page of the Historicals forum, and a thread on there asking about recommendations for a WWII system received primarily answers of 'Bolt Action'. I don't deny that there are others, and never intended to imply that there weren't.
Two. No, I agree. 28mm Bolt Action would not fit into a 15mm FoW board. This is why you have a general WWII board.
Multiple large systems using the same board could easily get not just confusing, but could also result in any of the systems that has a larger following simply drowning others out to the point where it might just be easier to make a thread in the slower Historicals forum. If it gets any bigger, BA might risk doing just that with Historicals, but currently it's fine. If we shift that to a WW2 board, though, we shift the numbers. Where BA + non-15mm WWII once made up a large chunk of Historicals, it might now only make up a small percentage of General WWII. Just check the numbers for both forums. Historicals has 1159 threads with with 10354 replies over many periods, scales, and systems. FoW +15mm WWII has 2617 threads and 23976 replies, well more than double. Even taking into account that the FoW forum existed 2-3 years before historicals, it's still 100 threads more and about 1000 posts more per year. Even if we assume BA + other WWII contribution to Historicals is high, it still pales in comparison with FoW + 15mm on its own. Since bumping is simply a spam post and thus not allowed, any BA or other scale WWIIs in there would have to fight the far more prolific FoW threads for attention, and once it falls off even the first half of the front page, the chance of being read falls dramatically. Once off the front page completely, it's unlikely to be found, because people rarely look past page 1. It's true for Google results, and its true for forums--ever seen how many threads people post that are identical to, or ask the same questions as one on the second page, or even a few threads lower than theirs?
If a system wants to be noticed on a general WWII board, it'll have to fight FoW for it. Some people might be fine with that, some might feel like staying in Historicals gives their thread a better chance of being seen and answered.
No, it wouldn't. In fact, that example is closer to what you're arguing for, and the current setup of Dakka's boards: division based on manufacturer. Having 40K, WFB, and AoS lumped into one board makes more or less the same sense as having, oh, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Team Yankee and so on lumped into one board. Or, KoW, Warpath, Dreadball, Mars Attacks and Dungeon Saga all lumped into one board. Madness!
Again, I'm not arguing for manufacturer-based vision, simply that the current set up is perfectly fine. My argument here is that 40k, WHFB, and AoS sharing a forum means that multiple threads for different, well-populated systems will all vie for attention with one another, and the result would be a forum with no focus or cohesion. Neither FoW's systems combined nor Mantic's systems combined come close to one of GW's systems, and both combined fall short of AoS/WHFB's YMDC section in terms of topics, and just about match total posts. A single GW system's rule queries section. When any one of FoW's or Mantic's systems can come close to the same, there may be an argument for separating it off. You're trying to compare systems like Dreadball and Arab-Isreali War to one of GW's systems, which is like comparing our Sun to Canis Majoris. When I'm struggling to find a FoW WWI thread amongst swathes of Vietnam and Team Yankee ones, I might agree, but until then trying compare a shared GW board to a shared FoW or Mantic board doesn't even have the same challenges, never mind the same sense.
Yeah... when you make one argument in one line, then start to contradict that argument in the next line, I have to wonder. Also, when you talk about numbers, are you still talking about Battlefront-only games?
See above for why it's not a contradiction, as well as why I'm talking primarily Battlefront numbers. Again, Battlefront out-paces combined historicals significantly, and other non-15mm WWII historicals even more so by extension. The fact that even with that, FoW is still dwarfed by a single GW system is why none of the FoW games is justified in getting a forum for it, and why they're all still fine sharing a forum.
On one hand, I have no idea where you pulled that idea out of. On the other hand, that's the situation we have now, which maybe suggests what a daft situation it is.
If that was the situation now, you wouldn't be complaining, as that's exactly what you're looking for: a combined forum; and I agree with you for once, it is daft.
Anything that isn't 15mm WWII, or some FoW spinoff, gets dumped into the Historical board; along with everything from biblicals to ECW to ancients to napoleonics to dark ages to ACW to...
Because no single Historical can even start matching FoW in terms of traffic, and because there aren't loads of people asking for anything different. Lots of people asked for Mantic to get their own forum, and they did. Lots of people asked for FFG to get their own board, and they did. Lots of people asked for 30k to get their own board, and it did. The difference between them and Historicals is the 'lots of people asked' bit. If you want to get something done then stop dissecting some random cretin's internet posts and actually start a thread in Nuts & Bolts about it.
Then perhaps have a 'moderns' board, or an extension of a WWII board, or both.
Moderns would have to be proved to be worth making, and the only way to judge that is whether or not people show there's a significant want for one. What would the extension be? WWII Systems' Non-WWII Games? Are there even enough of those to fill five forum pages in a year?
Again, what!? Other forums do it perfectly well! And I can tell you it makes far more sense and less mess in theory and in practise than cherry-picking one particular manufacturer's interpretation of a period and throwing the many others into a metaphorical trash heap!
Good for them. Nobody seems to want it here or we'd have it. You've seen how many people complain about random guff just in this thread, if the current system is too messy or nonsensical, then where's all the criticism about it? Where are all the users of these messy and nonsensical forums posting their requests to clean it up, because it certainly isn't anywhere on Dakka.
Like I said above, ask for it. If enough people want change then they can have change, but as much as we might think it legoburner isn't psychic, and arguing with me about it certainly won't do anything.
Sez.
You.
This just speaks to me of sticking to the status quo because 'that's just the way it is', and no better reason, regardless of how illogical and restrictive the status quo is.
It's literally two 'yes/no' questions, so yes, 'sez me'. I want to stick to the status quo because it's not been proven to me that it doesn't work. Things here change because enough users have proved that it's worthwhile. The opinion of a few people out of thousands isn't enough to base changes like this on, especially if they don't actually ask for them.
I don't think we're going to ever agree on this, but that doesn't stop you from being able to go and ask for it to happen anyway, proving me well wrong if it does. Make your arguments, convince enough people that you're right, and make something happen.
Or don't, I can't make you; I'm not a Fascist Mod.
Dakka is shaped by it's past as a 40k board, which means that rule sets, not settings, are going to dominate the taxonomy. A Bolt Action player is more likely to be familiar with Gates of Antares than any other WWII gaming rules.
What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.
I'm afraid you're actually somewhat wrong on this front this time around, old bean. There has actually been a fair amount of discussion of late with regards to adding forums/condensing some forums down/removing others. The first phase, I believe, was to add a 30K and Game design forum, and shuffle the appropriate threads over to them. That has now been done. The second phase is currently still in the planning stage. So...watch this space?
What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.
I'm afraid you're actually somewhat wrong on this front this time around, old bean. There has actually been a fair amount of discussion of late with regards to adding forums/condensing some forums down/removing others. The first phase, I believe, was to add a 30K and Game design forum, and shuffle the appropriate threads over to them. That has now been done. The second phase is currently still in the planning stage. So...watch this space?
There was a slow rise, than a spike of 30k discussion prior to that though, right?
I guess what I'm commenting on is that by the time a new forum is launched, there are already enough threads that should go there that it's not an empty space.
Polonius wrote: There was a slow rise, than a spike of 30k discussion prior to that though, right?
I guess what I'm commenting on is that by the time a new forum is launched, there are already enough threads that should go there that it's not an empty space.
There's something to that, but there are always exceptions. As noted, Dakka does host forums for other companies, and MEdge didn't exactly have a wellspring of threads to port over!
The problem is that Dakka's frontpage is already huge. It is getting difficult to add more forums without either breaking discussion down into dozens of smaller sub-forums, or extending the mainpage so far it takes five minutes to scroll down. There's a general desire to not fragment discussion down into individual sub-forums, which means that Dakka is forced to compact games into groupings and allocate forum space as dictated by demand, to a large extent. Certainly, a separate forum could be made for every possible iteration of WW2 wargame in every different scale, but most of those forums simply wouldn't generate enough discussion to be worth sacrificing the mainpage space (and scrolling convenience for every site user who doesn't need it) for.
As such, there's not really a desire to try and 'create' communities or drive for new games generally speaking. If discussion/excitement does appear to warrant a new forum, the management is certainly receptive to that message. But there simply isn't the space to try and 'drive' fresh discussion through forum multiplication.
Polonius wrote: There was a slow rise, than a spike of 30k discussion prior to that though, right?
I guess what I'm commenting on is that by the time a new forum is launched, there are already enough threads that should go there that it's not an empty space.
There's something to that, but there are always exceptions. As noted, Dakka does host forums for other companies, and MEdge didn't exactly have a wellspring of threads to port over!
The problem is that Dakka's frontpage is already huge. It is getting difficult to add more forums without either breaking discussion down into dozens of smaller sub-forums, or extending the mainpage so far it takes five minutes to scroll down. There's a general desire to not fragment discussion down into individual sub-forums, which means that Dakka is forced to compact games into groupings and allocate forum space as dictated by demand, to a large extent. Certainly, a separate forum could be made for every possible iteration of WW2 wargame in every different scale, but most of those forums simply wouldn't generate enough discussion to be worth sacrificing the mainpage space (and scrolling convenience for every site user who doesn't need it) for.
As such, there's not really a desire to try and 'create' communities or drive for new games generally speaking. If discussion/excitement does appear to warrant a new forum, the management is certainly receptive to that message. But there simply isn't the space to try and 'drive' fresh discussion through forum multiplication.
I think we're on the same page.
The official company forums are a different story, MEdge doubly so, so I wasn't really focusing on them. It's just been my experience that Lego is pretty conservative with changes to Dakka's structure, which as a long time poster, I appreciate.
Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.
While I have never been on Warseer (Until recently, my only online-adventures were on Heresy Online), it's never a good thing when a online community hub get's a hit over the head. I hope they get it back online.
A major reorganization isn't just a question of shifting people's expectations, but also literally reassigning threads to a forum, and that's work.
Yeah, it's a bit of work, but it only needs to happen once and it doesn't need to be done in a single sitting. I'm sure many of us would be happy to volunteer to tag/move threads.
Anyway, there are month old threads on the front page of Historical Gaming
I wonder if that's a symptom if historical gaming being so generic? I mean, I play historics but I never look at that forum because it's just so diluted. It currently covers the entirety of history, a span of at least 6000 years of warfare, which has changed a lot since.
If I have a question that I can't just google, I'll go to a board that's within the same era as I'm working on and ask there, with the hope of getting an answer from someone that knows.
So is it quiet because it's so vague, or is it so vague because it's so quiet?
Same with the 15mm WW2 board - that makes no sense to anyone who doesn't have a manufacturer focused view (understandable, since this is a GW forum with some bits tacked on). If I had any WW2 question, I'd be more likely to ask on a generic board. Unit characteristics, history, colours, scenarios, ideas, are all interchangeable, it's just the figures are different sizes.
Splitting it into factors of scale and company is silly, but vague eras would certainly make things a bit more coherent and might give people the impression the historics and other boards aren't just afterthoughts to shut up the neckbeards. We don't need to go into as much depth as LeadAdventure or TMP though.
On the flip side, I don't understand why each specialist game gets its own subforum when they have almost no traffic.
Malika2 wrote: Hmm, will they rename the site again, maybe call it Portent?
Portentially they might.
Thanks for the update Wintermute.
I motion Wintermute receives the custom title of 'Banned'. All in good humor of course, I appreciate the work the Warseer admins do to provide the community such an excellent site (even if i seem to cross the line on an annual basis ), doubly so with all the extra work they must have currently!
Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.
Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.
Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.
Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.
It shows something on WarSeer is now working.
BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?
What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.
I'm afraid you're actually somewhat wrong on this front this time around, old bean. There has actually been a fair amount of discussion of late with regards to adding forums/condensing some forums down/removing others. The first phase, I believe, was to add a 30K and Game design forum, and shuffle the appropriate threads over to them. That has now been done. The second phase is currently still in the planning stage. So...watch this space?
I am enjoying the Game Design forum. Thanks for adding it!
Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.
Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.
It shows something on WarSeer is now working.
BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?
Wintermute
How does it feel having to spend 2 weeks not being able to ban anyone from anything?
Awesome, glad it's back up. This place doesn't really work properly at work, and I'm the side of the fence that doesn't dislike GW, so Warseer seems a better bet
Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.
Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.
It shows something on WarSeer is now working.
BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?
Wintermute
Still banned from the place, for whatever reason, so meh.
Thebiggesthat wrote: Awesome, glad it's back up. This place doesn't really work properly at work, and I'm the side of the fence that doesn't dislike GW, so Warseer seems a better bet
Do you really get the impression that this place doesn't think highly of GW?
Jeez you should read some of the historical forums and the like
Two main forums as you scroll down the page are 40k and AoS/WHFB, with numerous sub-forums for each.
The difference is that Dakka doesn't delete posts willy-nilly if the contributions don't match the mindset of the site mods, unless things start turning personal/un-savoury.
Whether that bothers you or not, I guess at least there are lots of different forums out there for your choosing..
monders wrote: Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.
Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.
It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.
Are we reading the same forums?
You're active in different subs to me (and I lurk more than post|), so probably not. BUT the AoS sub is negative despite some hardy folks that actually have the cheek to enjoy the game, and the Death Watch rumor thread is mostly people moaning that it's Space Marines, or the wrong sorts of Space Marines.
Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.
Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.
It shows something on WarSeer is now working.
BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?
Wintermute
Sorry, I'll not take this offer. Dakka is the much better site.
The difference is that Dakka doesn't delete posts willy-nilly if the contributions don't match the mindset of the site mods
...mostly.
Let's be fair. Dakka mods almost never delete things unless they're like, repugnantly offensive. They just lock up the threads, which is kind of like, "okay, no more rubbernecking, move along!"
monders wrote: Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.
Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.
It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.
Are we reading the same forums?
Been wondering that too.
There is a reason why I am a DCM for a long time now. I'm one of the few who is still active in the entertainment industry, even as old of a fart that I am.
People have a short term memory on what happened 6 plus years ago concerning Dakka and other sites.
I have not forgotten. And I have not forgotten the other sites that treated me like sheeet as well.
And as long as I am a Dakka DCM and if this site is ever in some sort of trouble, they can rely on me and my influence within said industry.
Dakka is that special. The mods are that good. The wonderful database they have. And level headed people (majority) in all walks of life make this what this site is.
The layout of the old GW forum was dreadful and you couldn't post links or pictures, making any real discussion of pianintin and modelling a bit redundant, or battle reports, anything really needing photos.
The White Dwarf forum was especially badly handled. Lots of people were complaining about the dreadful state of the magazine. One of the magazine editors started a thread asking for opinions on improvements, and there were many long, well considered replies. The response seemed positive and asked that people wait and see for improvements as the magazine was prepared three months in advance. Six months later nothing had changed (and in the years afterwards it got even worse!), posters on the White Dwarf forum got even more vocal feeling they'd been ignored and that the magazine was still terrible, so GW closed the section down and banned critical discussion of the magazine elsewhere. Some months later the whole forum was closed.
Funniest rule on the GW forum was the 'no squats' rule. If you talked about squats the message or thread was deleted. I appreciate they don't want people constantly petitioning for squats to return but I don't think it happened so often the very mention of topic needed to be banned.
Dakka is far far less toxic 
Just what I found on the interwebs in speculation. If the mods say it is database trouble then I would trust them more.
VE, pure and simple.
