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 Ketara wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.

I'm afraid you're actually somewhat wrong on this front this time around, old bean. There has actually been a fair amount of discussion of late with regards to adding forums/condensing some forums down/removing others. The first phase, I believe, was to add a 30K and Game design forum, and shuffle the appropriate threads over to them. That has now been done. The second phase is currently still in the planning stage. So...watch this space?

There was a slow rise, than a spike of 30k discussion prior to that though, right?

I guess what I'm commenting on is that by the time a new forum is launched, there are already enough threads that should go there that it's not an empty space.

 Polonius wrote:
There was a slow rise, than a spike of 30k discussion prior to that though, right?

I guess what I'm commenting on is that by the time a new forum is launched, there are already enough threads that should go there that it's not an empty space.

There's something to that, but there are always exceptions. As noted, Dakka does host forums for other companies, and MEdge didn't exactly have a wellspring of threads to port over!

The problem is that Dakka's frontpage is already huge. It is getting difficult to add more forums without either breaking discussion down into dozens of smaller sub-forums, or extending the mainpage so far it takes five minutes to scroll down. There's a general desire to not fragment discussion down into individual sub-forums, which means that Dakka is forced to compact games into groupings and allocate forum space as dictated by demand, to a large extent. Certainly, a separate forum could be made for every possible iteration of WW2 wargame in every different scale, but most of those forums simply wouldn't generate enough discussion to be worth sacrificing the mainpage space (and scrolling convenience for every site user who doesn't need it) for.

As such, there's not really a desire to try and 'create' communities or drive for new games generally speaking. If discussion/excitement does appear to warrant a new forum, the management is certainly receptive to that message. But there simply isn't the space to try and 'drive' fresh discussion through forum multiplication.

 Ketara wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
There was a slow rise, than a spike of 30k discussion prior to that though, right?

I guess what I'm commenting on is that by the time a new forum is launched, there are already enough threads that should go there that it's not an empty space.

There's something to that, but there are always exceptions. As noted, Dakka does host forums for other companies, and MEdge didn't exactly have a wellspring of threads to port over!

The problem is that Dakka's frontpage is already huge. It is getting difficult to add more forums without either breaking discussion down into dozens of smaller sub-forums, or extending the mainpage so far it takes five minutes to scroll down. There's a general desire to not fragment discussion down into individual sub-forums, which means that Dakka is forced to compact games into groupings and allocate forum space as dictated by demand, to a large extent. Certainly, a separate forum could be made for every possible iteration of WW2 wargame in every different scale, but most of those forums simply wouldn't generate enough discussion to be worth sacrificing the mainpage space (and scrolling convenience for every site user who doesn't need it) for.

As such, there's not really a desire to try and 'create' communities or drive for new games generally speaking. If discussion/excitement does appear to warrant a new forum, the management is certainly receptive to that message. But there simply isn't the space to try and 'drive' fresh discussion through forum multiplication.

I think we're on the same page.

The official company forums are a different story, MEdge doubly so, so I wasn't really focusing on them. It's just been my experience that Lego is pretty conservative with changes to Dakka's structure, which as a long time poster, I appreciate.

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, will they rename the site again, maybe call it U Gonna Get Banned

There, I fixed it for you

 sing your life wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, will they rename the site again, maybe call it U Gonna Get Banned

There, I fixed it for you

Twice.

WARSEER IS BACK ONLINE!!!!

Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.

Its good to hear that they made efforts to bring Warseer back.

While I have never been on Warseer (Until recently, my only online-adventures were on Heresy Online), it's never a good thing when a online community hub get's a hit over the head. I hope they get it back online.

 Polonius wrote:

A major reorganization isn't just a question of shifting people's expectations, but also literally reassigning threads to a forum, and that's work.

Yeah, it's a bit of work, but it only needs to happen once and it doesn't need to be done in a single sitting. I'm sure many of us would be happy to volunteer to tag/move threads.

Anyway, there are month old threads on the front page of Historical Gaming

I wonder if that's a symptom if historical gaming being so generic? I mean, I play historics but I never look at that forum because it's just so diluted. It currently covers the entirety of history, a span of at least 6000 years of warfare, which has changed a lot since.

If I have a question that I can't just google, I'll go to a board that's within the same era as I'm working on and ask there, with the hope of getting an answer from someone that knows.

So is it quiet because it's so vague, or is it so vague because it's so quiet?

Same with the 15mm WW2 board - that makes no sense to anyone who doesn't have a manufacturer focused view (understandable, since this is a GW forum with some bits tacked on). If I had any WW2 question, I'd be more likely to ask on a generic board. Unit characteristics, history, colours, scenarios, ideas, are all interchangeable, it's just the figures are different sizes.

Splitting it into factors of scale and company is silly, but vague eras would certainly make things a bit more coherent and might give people the impression the historics and other boards aren't just afterthoughts to shut up the neckbeards. We don't need to go into as much depth as LeadAdventure or TMP though.

On the flip side, I don't understand why each specialist game gets its own subforum when they have almost no traffic.


Edit: I've taken this to nuts & bolts : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/680400.page

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, will they rename the site again, maybe call it Portent?

Portentially they might.

Thanks for the update Wintermute.

I motion Wintermute receives the custom title of 'Banned'. All in good humor of course, I appreciate the work the Warseer admins do to provide the community such an excellent site (even if i seem to cross the line on an annual basis ), doubly so with all the extra work they must have currently!

 cuda1179 wrote:
WARSEER IS BACK ONLINE!!!!

Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.

Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.

 sing your life wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
WARSEER IS BACK ONLINE!!!!

Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.

Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.

It shows something on WarSeer is now working.

BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?

Wintermute

 Ketara wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.

I'm afraid you're actually somewhat wrong on this front this time around, old bean. There has actually been a fair amount of discussion of late with regards to adding forums/condensing some forums down/removing others. The first phase, I believe, was to add a 30K and Game design forum, and shuffle the appropriate threads over to them. That has now been done. The second phase is currently still in the planning stage. So...watch this space?

I am enjoying the Game Design forum. Thanks for adding it!

 Wintermute wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
WARSEER IS BACK ONLINE!!!!

Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.

Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.

It shows something on WarSeer is now working.

BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?

Wintermute

How does it feel having to spend 2 weeks not being able to ban anyone from anything?

Glad the site is coming back up soon.

Never any fun losing your community in that way, and for the 'hobby' any site (no matter the form it takes), is a bonus to it as far as I'm concerned.

Awesome, glad it's back up. This place doesn't really work properly at work, and I'm the side of the fence that doesn't dislike GW, so Warseer seems a better bet

 Wintermute wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
WARSEER IS BACK ONLINE!!!!

Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.

Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.

It shows something on WarSeer is now working.

BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?

Wintermute

Still banned from the place, for whatever reason, so meh.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
Awesome, glad it's back up. This place doesn't really work properly at work, and I'm the side of the fence that doesn't dislike GW, so Warseer seems a better bet

Do you really get the impression that this place doesn't think highly of GW?

Jeez you should read some of the historical forums and the like

Two main forums as you scroll down the page are 40k and AoS/WHFB, with numerous sub-forums for each.

The difference is that Dakka doesn't delete posts willy-nilly if the contributions don't match the mindset of the site mods, unless things start turning personal/un-savoury.
Whether that bothers you or not, I guess at least there are lots of different forums out there for your choosing..

Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.

Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.

It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.

 monders wrote:
Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.

Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.

It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.

Are we reading the same forums?

I think we can lock this up now since we know Warseer is back up.. Can discuss the workings of Warseer elsewhere..

 Trondheim wrote:

 monders wrote:
Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.

Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.

It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.

Are we reading the same forums?

You're active in different subs to me (and I lurk more than post|), so probably not. BUT the AoS sub is negative despite some hardy folks that actually have the cheek to enjoy the game, and the Death Watch rumor thread is mostly people moaning that it's Space Marines, or the wrong sorts of Space Marines.

Glad to have it back up soon. I like the community and structure over there!

Plus will be nice to get my old logs back!

 monders wrote:
Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.

Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.

It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.

Ah right, I have to be honest I don't look in the subs as I don't play the current games.

But if that's the case, then: ah, OK!

 Wintermute wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
WARSEER IS BACK ONLINE!!!!

Well, sort of. The site is technically there at the moment, but no access to the forums or the gallery. However, if you were a fan of the front page you will be pleased.

Funny, whatever page I try to access on the site always gets me the same "We are currently in the process of updating the site" message.

It shows something on WarSeer is now working.

BTW did I mention WarSeer will be back this weekend?

Wintermute

Sorry, I'll not take this offer. Dakka is the much better site.

 monders wrote:
Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.

Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.

It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.

Ironically exactly the same thing was said about Warseer when I still posted there.

 Pacific wrote:

The difference is that Dakka doesn't delete posts willy-nilly if the contributions don't match the mindset of the site mods

...mostly.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

The difference is that Dakka doesn't delete posts willy-nilly if the contributions don't match the mindset of the site mods

...mostly.

Let's be fair. Dakka mods almost never delete things unless they're like, repugnantly offensive. They just lock up the threads, which is kind of like, "okay, no more rubbernecking, move along!"

 Trondheim wrote:

 monders wrote:
Pacific, I think Thebiggesthat meant that you're more likely to get positive discussions on GW stuff there rather than here.

Whilst Dakka has plenty of GW subs, the conversation mainly centres around how stupid GW is, how wrong they do everything and how expensive they are.

It can be pretty tiring for people that don’t hate the company to trawl through hundreds of posts that are flat out negative.

Are we reading the same forums?

Been wondering that too.

There is a reason why I am a DCM for a long time now. I'm one of the few who is still active in the entertainment industry, even as old of a fart that I am.
People have a short term memory on what happened 6 plus years ago concerning Dakka and other sites.

I have not forgotten. And I have not forgotten the other sites that treated me like sheeet as well.

And as long as I am a Dakka DCM and if this site is ever in some sort of trouble, they can rely on me and my influence within said industry.
Dakka is that special. The mods are that good. The wonderful database they have. And level headed people (majority) in all walks of life make this what this site is.

That is just the way it is.

 Nordicus wrote:
While I have never been on Warseer (Until recently, my only online-adventures were on Heresy Online)...

You have my sincerest condolences. That place is the dung heap of the known universe.