As the title says, if GW realise a plastic Adepta Sororita range, would you begin an army of the daugthers of the Emperor ?
I'm not asking if you wish new models or a new codex, but really what is necessary for you to play them.
For example, I just need/wish plastic models to begin SoB, even with the current codex, I would play them.

I would definitely play them (especially if I had the money to start collecting them). I got a couple of mates who would as well. At the moment, it really is a case of the SoB needing more models (all in plastic) and an up-to-date (preferably hardback) codex.

I'd at least consider it. I'd want to play them, but I'm not sure I would have the funds to be able to do so. Probably I'd put them after Nids, but before anything else.

Yeah. I basically slowly stopped playing because of lack of models and lackluster rules.

Multi part plastic kits though, not those one pose models they keep releasing

I would choose 'Maybe, it depends on the design of the new models and codex.'

The only thing that's really stopping me from building at least a small force is a lack of plastic models and a modern codex. I'd love to collect the Bolter Bitches.

Perhaps some if they are decent priced liok good and would be usable as henchmen or as a basis for a conversion.

With new plastic multipose kits and a new, better, codex I would gladly start playing them.
I have wanted to for a long time now but the lacklustre rules and expensive and outdated models kept me away from the nuns wit guns.

Hmmm, what do I answer when I have 7000 points of them already? I'd like plastic ones for new options, and a new codex more than anything, butI kinda collect them already.

The only thing that kept me from having them as my first army was metal models and out of date rules

I'd like to point out that two of the options are the same (yes if they had new codex too / yes if they had new models and new codex)

But it'd take both to make me like them. As they are in the current Dex (like most current old codexes) al the interesting options are too bad to consider, all the good options are spammy and dull.

I already have them so can't really answer the poll in a positive manner. But at least two of the other guys would be interested if the models were available at a reasonable (for GW) price.

I'd drop a paycheck on them out the gate, no questions asked.

The army is so much more than women in power armor. As the fighting arm of the ecclesiarchy, they have a feel to them that is unique and all their own. Yeah, I'd play them so much my dice would catch fire.

 godardc wrote:
As the title says, if GW realise a plastic Adepta Sororita range, would you begin an army of the daugthers of the Emperor ?
I'm not asking if you wish new models or a new codex, but really what is necessary for you to play them.
For example, I just need/wish plastic models to begin SoB, even with the current codex, I would play them.

Play them now . Sisters are my favorite, primary army. I love the shotgun style. All they need is a few good formations, a few more flexible options and an elites choice that isn't a sick joke and they could be really good.

Wouldn't play them. Just don't really care for their look and feel. It would take a bit for me to be interested in them.

I have a friend who plays Sisters, and their play style is actually fairly distinct from the other Imperial armies. They deserve an update, and they'd probably be a lot more popular if their basic squad didn't cost such a ridiculous amount of money.

I'm pretty certain they would be added to my ever growing pile of things waiting to be painted.

If the models were good I'd at least add an allied contingent to my Valhallans.

What about the option of "Yes, if I could bring third-party plastic/resin models to tournaments"?

Nope, already don't play boy marines. Not going to start girl marines.

Given what they did with the Harlequin, etc, I'd be fairly excited to see what they do with the Sisters.

I already have a SoB army, Tho is it only 41 SoB models, but Flesh Tearers Formation made them fun for me. Having a Storm Raven and 6 Drop pods of SoB isnt as competitive as the SM formation for sure, But it is a very hard hitting Army right at the start and it can make a Surprising first 2 turns for your opponent

I would definitely buy a box to build and paint. I did some Seraphim last year and they were really fun to paint up.

I wouldn't, my lot is thrown in with the ruinous powers.

However, I think a lot of people would at least like them as allies. And more variety is always good. And Sisters players deserve an update.

I wouldn't even be mad if they get sorted before CSM.

 Nerazim wrote:
I wouldn't, my lot is thrown in with the ruinous powers.

However, I think a lot of people would at least like them as allies. And more variety is always good. And Sisters players deserve an update.

I wouldn't even be mad if they get sorted before CSM.

As a SoB battle and a CSM player, CSM needs an update more. Especially if you think about Marine Allies, Daemon Allies are good too, but you can have a full SOB army with a few SM formations and more knights ot make them more Competitive.

 curran12 wrote:
Hmmm, what do I answer when I have 7000 points of them already?

I'd like plastic ones for new options, and a new codex more than anything, butI kinda collect them already.

That's quite the sunk cost in niche army.

For answering:
- If you would buy more, then you are definitely in the "Yes" camp.
- If you would play what you own, still "Yes".
- If you are going to leave them on your shelf for no reason, then that's a "No".

Me, I have enough, but do intend to play them from time to time (otherwise, I'd sell them!).

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Nerazim wrote:
I wouldn't, my lot is thrown in with the ruinous powers.

However, I think a lot of people would at least like them as allies. And more variety is always good. And Sisters players deserve an update.

I wouldn't even be mad if they get sorted before CSM.

As a SoB battle and a CSM player, CSM needs an update more. Especially if you think about Marine Allies, Daemon Allies are good too, but you can have a full SOB army with a few SM formations and more knights ot make them more Competitive.

Yeah, SOB rofl stomp anything chaos has that isn't full psychic. Even Heldrakes don't have fun times. HOWEVER, updates shouldn't be just about making things more competitive and Chaos isn't in danger of being squatted entirely like SOB are.

I'd use them as Acolytes for an Inquisitor, but never as Sisters of Battle. I have no interest in the army is tells, but the Power Armor non-Space Marines is something I want add to my retinues,

Already have them, already play them currently, would definitely continue to play them if they got updated. Where's the option for that?

Maybe. But not with the actual "Codex".

The current codex isn't terrible; it's not top-tier Eldar-good, of course, but falls solidly into the mid-tier range, with all of its ally options providing a lot of additional firepower.

Would I pick up 40k again if GW produced plastic Sisters?

Hmm... probably not? Too little, too late, but I would probably buy the models (for several different types of units) for use in other things.

Yes.

I had a small allied force of them for my Guard back when they were Witch Hunters and you could do that kind of thing. I was a fan of them then, still am, but without proper support (and a lack of expendable income) it wasn't worth me keeping up. If they were re-done like DE were, I'd definitely start them up. I have enough other GW stuff I don't use I could sell off to fuel another army...

I'm a one army kind of guy, but SoB would be the exception where I would start another army. If SoB came out with new plastic models & a new codex that was more competitive (Its better than many right now, but still needs improvement) I would definitely pick up this army.

I just feel like they'd go well with my DA and IG, make a nice 3 faction army that fluffily fits together.

EDIT: However, newer sculpts would be nice, as well as some (slightly) updated rules. Don't need any fancy formations or anything, just balance things out a bit to fit the current meta.

Plastic minis with better sculpts, most definitely.

I already own more than 200 painted metal sisters.
I'm afraid that plastic sisters would look too different to blend in nice. So I don't want new models, just better rules.

If they made multi part plastic sisters with new sculpts (not a redesign, just cleaned up) then absolutely I would buy at least one box on launch for my GK/Inq army. Sisters where the #3 army I wanted to play when I was first getting into 40k (Orks 1, Tau 2). I could easily see myself picking up a least a 1000 points of sisters as an ally force within a year of a plastic release.

If having to make a new order to "begin" collecting it is what it would take to get new plastic models, then yes. I would begin collecting.

Nah, I've never really liked the ecclesiarchy. That being said, I completely see why other people would want to play this army (though updated)

 von Hohenstein wrote:
I already own more than 200 painted metal sisters.
I'm afraid that plastic sisters would look too different to blend in nice. So I don't want new models, just better rules.

Not that you need them with the amount of metal Sisters you already have, but you could just have units be entirely comprised of either older metal minis or the hypothetical newer plastic ones rather than mixing and matching. If they have the same color scheme, that'd look okay.

My first 40k purchase was the Witchhunters Codex and the Ordo Heriticus Lords with retinue. That was in 2005. It took me 10 years to assemble a small (1250pts) force. This past winter I playrd my first games with them. I was worth it.
Yes Gw gives us the Army of the Ecclesiarchy. I will sell my other liver. (guard took the first one).

Answered 'Yes' because I would, but it's actually a 'Maybe' because I'd consider the shelves of new and/or incomplete models for two other armies I have in the basement before committing.

A few years ago, I'd have said they'd never come back because the Old Games Workshop had obviously prioritized its cost/profit maximization model, and Sisters of Battle weren't in that model.

Now? I think they might be inevitable. We got Chaos Cultists back. We got plastic Horus Heresy started. We just got Genestealer Cultists back.

Really, the only thing holding back the Sisters is the "Not Space Marines" thing. Why is this relevant? Because the return of Chaos Cultists and Genestealer Cultists came back as antagonists in a boxed set, and boxed sets almost always have Space Marines in them (2E, 3E, BoM, AoBR, DV, SC, DS, Spulk, BaC, DWO, LP). So Sisters would either have to be believed as a stand-alone product, or New GW would have risk that Sisters could sell an Execution Force style game on their own, which I think is less likely to happen.

Of course, this all leads into the bigger, more important question:

When do we get Squats back?

Now.... No. No chance.

Back in 4th/5th edition when it was the Witch Hunter codex. Yeah, probably. SOBs have completely passed me by in the things I still find interesting in 40K.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


When do we get Squats back?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Really, the only thing holding back the Sisters is the "Not Space Marines" thing. Why is this relevant? Because the return of Chaos Cultists and Genestealer Cultists came back as antagonists in a boxed set, and boxed sets almost always have Space Marines in them (2E, 3E, BoM, AoBR, DV, SC, DS, Spulk, BaC, DWO, LP). So Sisters would either have to be believed as a stand-alone product, or New GW would have risk that Sisters could sell an Execution Force style game on their own, which I think is less likely to happen.

Of course, this all leads into the bigger, more important question:

When do we get Squats back?

Ah, but Sarge, the answer to both of those are right in front of your nose.

They will be antagonists in SM board games!

 Ashiraya wrote:
Ah, but Sarge, the answer to both of those are right in front of your nose.

They will be antagonists in SM board games!

Of course!

Sister Sin versus the Rainbow Warriors!

If they got a (good) new codex and plastic models, I would seriously consider picking up a small army, which is something given that my current stance on GW is that I hope they go bankrupt as soon as possible.

10 years ago I may have voted yes - and gotten my wallet ready for a beating.

Now, I wouldn't touch them. There are far too many games and systems that I want to try before spending anymore on GW product.

The only reason why I don't play my Sisters army, which I've played since 2nd, it the lack of a current codex. New models would great, but its a new codex that they need more.

SJ

Where is the "depends" option? For me it always comes to price. If the prices are outrages, then no.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Now.... No. No chance.

Back in 4th/5th edition when it was the Witch Hunter codex. Yeah, probably. SOBs have completely passed me by in the things I still find interesting in 40K.

So it was Inquisition that you actually wanted to play?

 curran12 wrote:
Hmmm, what do I answer when I have 7000 points of them already? I'd like plastic ones for new options, and a new codex more than anything, butI kinda collect them already.

By contrast, I stopped collecting them from GW at about 1500 points, eventually got to 2500 points from ebay sales, and then sold my stuff down to about 250 or so points of models that just wouldn't sell, namely my old heavy bolter girls, the first models I painted whose paintjob was even worse than normal-- I didn't even know to use a base coat when I painted them. And the fact that HB sisters are lame doesn't help.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Now.... No. No chance.

Back in 4th/5th edition when it was the Witch Hunter codex. Yeah, probably. SOBs have completely passed me by in the things I still find interesting in 40K.

So it was Inquisition that you actually wanted to play?

And the thing is, Inquisition is already playable, which makes the objection rather odd.

Plastics yes, not get any for fun at 50 quid for 10.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The only reason why I don't play my Sisters army, which I've played since 2nd, it the lack of a current codex. New models would great, but its a new codex that they need more.

SJ

My group plays with some house rules that include 40% Troops and No Allies, and in that environment Sisters do pretty decently. As a consideration to players who don't have a new dex with groovy formations, we also tend to play CAD armies. With the ability to take 2 specials in a small squad and put them in a Repressor, SoB squads become a very effective Troops choice.

Yes I would. I'd probably just put together a CAD, but I'd love to play them. Love the Exorcist model!

SG

Davor wrote:
Where is the "depends" option? For me it always comes to price. If the prices are outrages, then no.

This is GW, if "price is outrageous" is the factor, then your answer is: most definitely, no.

I honestly hope a ecclessiary codex is done harlequin style and contains preachers, chaplains, sisters, etc able to be fielded on thier own or as battle brothers to imperial forces. And if done that way yes I would add a small force to my guard army.

I've always liked the theme of the army but to me they're prohibitively expensive. If plastic models meant that the price would go down though, I would definitely play them.

Truth be told? Nope. I find them kinda silly to be honest.

 Melissia wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Hmmm, what do I answer when I have 7000 points of them already? I'd like plastic ones for new options, and a new codex more than anything, butI kinda collect them already.

By contrast, I stopped collecting them from GW at about 1500 points, eventually got to 2500 points from ebay sales, and then sold my stuff down to about 250 or so points of models that just wouldn't sell, namely my old heavy bolter girls, the first models I painted whose paintjob was even worse than normal-- I didn't even know to use a base coat when I painted them. And the fact that HB sisters are lame doesn't help.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Now.... No. No chance.

Back in 4th/5th edition when it was the Witch Hunter codex. Yeah, probably. SOBs have completely passed me by in the things I still find interesting in 40K.

So it was Inquisition that you actually wanted to play?

And the thing is, Inquisition is already playable, which makes the objection rather odd.

No... Plastic models back then would have been a squad of 10 ladies for $22 bucks. Thats much more affordable than the 8-10 dollars each that plastic minis cost now. Also the SOB themselves were more fun to play back then. The core rules worked better with how they operated, the acts of faith seemed better thought out and a little more game influencing. The only real broken thing about them was the Book of St. Lucious for 5 points. Yikes, needed to be 15 at least.

Unsure how to vote in the poll. I already have a decent-size Sororitas army, so I can't exactly start it, but if plastics came out I would replace every metal Sister with a plastic one. And then keep the metal ones too.

Unless GW keeps being GW and feths up the plastic ones with ridiculous changes for change's sake, with even worse messing with the lore.

Sisters of Battle are a lot more to be feared than most realize simply because most people don't play against them enough.

Love playing them.

Four things they need to do:

1. Make Celestans a troops choice, give them a close combat weapon. They would instanly be an assault unit that is Objective Secured, not as powerful as the battle Conclave or Sisters Repentia but really capable if you wanted to trade out Bolter fire for fstiness that is armored well.

2. Expand the armory for the Canoness, so they can take multiple items if they like. Allow them to be the heroes of their orders that others are allowed to be.

3. Make a Repressor/Rhino/Immolator/Exorcist boxed set.

4. Penitent Engines need to freaking be Init 4 butchers. They should be fragile but dangerous equals to any normal dreadnoght. Open topped is dine when you get a 6+ invul but I4 is a must. Fleet , Rampage and Rage all fit the bill. Heck i think if you have one of these in your presernce within 6 inches, you grow some unshakable faith by its example.

Penitent Engines are heretics and witches strapped to torture devices making a real mess of things, How the hell is that supposed to inspire faith?

Celestians already have two attacks, you're talking about giving them a third and then making them troops as well - incidentally leaving Repentia as the only Elites choice - when Celestians are supposed to be our Veteran option. They need something, but making them Troops is not it.

Fer has always inspired people to greater lenghths. the pnitent engine reminds them of what happens when you lose your faith... maximum effort is required.

... if you want them to inspire fear, that'd be against the enemy models, it's not really fitting for Sisters of Battle to be inspired by fear. That's counter to pretty much all of their lore.

 Jancoran wrote:
Fer has always inspired people to greater lenghths. the pnitent engine reminds them of what happens when you lose your faith... maximum effort is required.

Except that Sisters don't lose their faith... and if they falter, they fight harder to regain it on their own.

Sisters do not fear retribution. They are a penitent order: Everything they do is already paying for the crimes of the Brides of the Emperor.

Penitent Engines are only for heretics and witches.

We disagree. Also: this has almost no bearing on the proposed changes. But yeah: we disagree. A crisis of faith is always possible in a terran. Look around. Lol.

Trust me, one look at the Westborough Baptist Church is enough to convince me that some peoples' faith is unshakeable no matter how ridiculously insane their beliefs are... but then, I suppose a pathetic xenos wouldn't know anything about that.

You're basically trying to introduce lore that forces them to have constant crises of faith when they... well... haven't really had them, in the past. It shouldn't surprise you that it's resisted.

 Melissia wrote:
You're basically trying to introduce lore that forces them to have constant crises of faith when they... well... haven't really had them, in the past. It shouldn't surprise you that it's resisted.

Anywho. Again, irrelevant to the point.

They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

Like all armies, it is hardly the rules e play them for. But rules still matter.


so i need nothing but the aesthetic to be awesome. the rules are good enough to win and other than that concern, I'm golden.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

Most of the faith powers currently mimic psychic powers. ><

Really, I'd like to see the whole faith system scrapped outright and replaced with Rites of Battle like the old days. Permanent effects determined at the start of the game without any of this "they might be wizards but don't know it" crap.

Nope, I wouldn't. Not unless they were awesome models but that's a separate issue.

I also don't believe in the slightest that 76% of Dakkanaughts would begin a Sisters army.... maybe 76% of Dakkanaughts are optimistic and might like to begin a Sisters army, I doubt anywhere near 76% actually would.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I also don't believe in the slightest that 76% of Dakkanaughts would begin a Sisters army.... maybe 76% of Dakkanaughts are optimistic and might like to begin a Sisters army, I doubt anywhere near 76% actually would.

76% of people interested enough in Sisters to click this thread probably would, though.

I've wanted to play Sisters for many years, only held back by metal models and a small wallet. I would prefer them to have redesigned models from before, but it's definitely not necessary. I also agree with what some people have said about their Acts of Faith needing to be redesigned, but I don't see that coming. From what I can tell, GW are really focussing on the one-shot and random power stuff in newer codexes/codices, probably to influence people to buy multiples of each squad so that they have a better chance of getting an ability off in the way they want. Above all, though, their unique feel and Ecclesiarchal spirit are enough for me; once I can afford them, my 4.5K Necrons will take a backseat as I build up a large SoB force (possibly with Inquisition and/or AM for flyers if the SoB don't get any).

Without a shadow of a doubt I'd be knee deep in SOB boxes if they turned plastic, I love the aesthetic and theme of SOB with the metal sculpts being the only thing stopping me...

As an allied force they are quite useful. Many people have come to realize it. Ignores cover is important. It matters. So its food for thought but sisters as allies is good.

the few models I own of them are ebay models and acquired cheaply. give em a good ruleset and better figures and I'd probably drop a few hundred on models to start

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Nope, I wouldn't. Not unless they were awesome models but that's a separate issue.

I also don't believe in the slightest that 76% of Dakkanaughts would begin a Sisters army.... maybe 76% of Dakkanaughts are optimistic and might like to begin a Sisters army, I doubt anywhere near 76% actually would.

I'm literally beyond that point as I'm waiting for Raging Heroes to deliver their TGG2 sisters count-as to me. I would have bought them from GW, but not in metal and not at the price they're asking for it. I do have a decent collection of unpainted GW sisters I've collected via ebay and such, but I plan on selling those off again - don't want to mix GW and RH sisters, and I should get enough out of that to buy some vehicles (Exorcists and such) to go with the RH sisters.

nekooni wrote:

I'm literally beyond that point as I'm waiting for Raging Heroes to deliver their TGG2 sisters count-as to me. I would have bought them from GW, but not in metal and not at the price they're asking for it. I do have a decent collection of unpainted GW sisters I've collected via ebay and such, but I plan on selling those off again - don't want to mix GW and RH sisters, and I should get enough out of that to buy some vehicles (Exorcists and such) to go with the RH sisters.

You mean Raging Hormones, right?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

nekooni wrote:

I'm literally beyond that point as I'm waiting for Raging Heroes to deliver their TGG2 sisters count-as to me. I would have bought them from GW, but not in metal and not at the price they're asking for it. I do have a decent collection of unpainted GW sisters I've collected via ebay and such, but I plan on selling those off again - don't want to mix GW and RH sisters, and I should get enough out of that to buy some vehicles (Exorcists and such) to go with the RH sisters.

You mean Raging Hormones, right?

Well they're no WE or Prodos, and after all I'm an adult and allowed to buy whatever I like as long as it's legal - and I happen to like what RH offer. I already own a few models from them for use as Inquisitors and they work just fine alongside GW and other models. Even some WE models are usable to me, at least after a bit of converting

As a Marine Player I would buy atleast enough to build an ally force. I love mixing and matching.

well i am sure the off brand alternatives for Sisters of Battle are certainly not helping the cause.

 Jancoran wrote:
well i am sure the off brand alternatives for Sisters of Battle are certainly not helping the cause.

They're competition and they show that there is demand. If noone asked for alternatives and noone offered them I could totally understand GW dropping the SoB line entirely.

or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

 Jancoran wrote:
or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

I'm sure they still have the majority share of "SoB like model" sales. They're GW, after all. And no, businesses do not operate like that. Sure, they can simply not invest into SoBs at all, saving money - but they should realize that if they invested in new high-quality SoB, they could make a lot of money. And even if they didn't they could still benefit from it by simply releasing an updated Codex and SELLING that one. Because no 3rd party will produce a new Codex for 40k SoB. It's probably more a thing of "look , these other armies are much safer to invest in and we would have to redo the entire line which is a pretty big investment." - if they see that the investment could be worth it, they'll probably do it.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They need a complete overhaul for me to play them. As it stand their rules are basically "Space Marines -1 T and S with more Melta and Flamers". Nothing against them personally but I already have 5 flavours of power armor and even those tend to have some gimmick going for them already.

I really wish they'd change the Faith system into something else that can rival psychic powers. One-use things never made me happy.

Most of the faith powers currently mimic psychic powers. ><

Really, I'd like to see the whole faith system scrapped outright and replaced with Rites of Battle like the old days. Permanent effects determined at the start of the game without any of this "they might be wizards but don't know it" crap.

Mimic doesn't necessarily mean as good

I really liked the third edition system, even if it was complicated as hell.

I'd say that automatic ignores cover or rending-on-a-leadership-test is probably better than rolling a psychic power for it. >>

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'd say that automatic ignores cover or rending-on-a-leadership-test is probably better than rolling a psychic power for it. >>

The way Acts of Faith is now is almost perfect, just give more faith points something like 2 per every 500points.

Or if there are formations give unlimited use of the (once per turn still) for certain formations.

I had a dream where I went into a local GW because I happened to be there at the mall and wanted to see if anything was new.

To my utter shock, there were brand-new boxes of plastic Sororitas minis. There was a box of 10 for 50 CDN that was basically for basic infantry with some options for heavy/special weapons, there was a box of 5 for 35 CDN that built Seraphim and Celestians, and a box of 5 Repentia. In terms of vehicles, they'd combined all Sororitas vehicles into one kit with options for Exorcist, Immolator and Rhino, and also a box set that built 2 Penitent Engines. There may have also been a plastic Canoness/Palatine pack along the lines of the newer command-figure boxes for various armies.

Upon seeing this, I stood there for a moment in shock, before sinking to my knees and dramatically bowing more than 90 degrees with my arms fully outstretched, while praising and thanking the gods for this miracle. A passerby behind me told me to "Stop being so dramatic for (feth's) sake!" So I got up, grabbed two of every box, and stood in a long line to pay for them.

I was so, so very sad when I woke up and realized it was just a dream. : (

I've also had numerous dreams where I go to my FLGS to look for OOP Sororitas models and find really amazing stuff, that I then am not allowed to buy for a variety of reasons.

Yes. If they ever do a large plastic release of sisters I will buy an army's worth.

nekooni wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

I'm sure they still have the majority share of "SoB like model" sales. They're GW, after all. And no, businesses do not operate like that. Sure, they can simply not invest into SoBs at all, saving money - but they should realize that if they invested in new high-quality SoB, they could make a lot of money. And even if they didn't they could still benefit from it by simply releasing an updated Codex and SELLING that one. Because no 3rd party will produce a new Codex for 40k SoB. It's probably more a thing of "look , these other armies are much safer to invest in and we would have to redo the entire line which is a pretty big investment." - if they see that the investment could be worth it, they'll probably do it.

I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

The model line hasn't shown enough demand to justify creating a whole huge run of new models, though they may well do it anyways. It would be one of the triskiest things they've committed to in a long time if they do. I think they are more risk averse than that but I hope to God they have someone with the stones to do it.

 Jancoran wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
or understand that they are losing what little share they have of that demand.

I think that as a business if another company is allowed to steal your lunch, then you kind of have to take away the incentive. Sadly at my cost. I dunno what to say. GW made a big mistake moving from the Witch Hunters paradigm. in that paradigm, a lot more models could be part of that equation.

I'm sure they still have the majority share of "SoB like model" sales. They're GW, after all. And no, businesses do not operate like that. Sure, they can simply not invest into SoBs at all, saving money - but they should realize that if they invested in new high-quality SoB, they could make a lot of money. And even if they didn't they could still benefit from it by simply releasing an updated Codex and SELLING that one. Because no 3rd party will produce a new Codex for 40k SoB. It's probably more a thing of "look , these other armies are much safer to invest in and we would have to redo the entire line which is a pretty big investment." - if they see that the investment could be worth it, they'll probably do it.

I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

The model line hasn't shown enough demand to justify creating a whole huge run of new models, though they may well do it anyways. It would be one of the triskiest things they've committed to in a long time if they do. I think they are more risk averse than that but I hope to God they have someone with the stones to do it.

Personally, I'd buy more Sororitas models if I didn't already have enough of them to field every Sororitas army I would ever actually put on the battlefield in my present situation.

I'm at the point in my Sororitas collection where the only reason to actually get more models would be to have them sit on a shelf looking pretty.

Apparently that's not enough interest from me for GW to redo them in plastic. I would re-buy every Sororitas model I have in plastic, purely because I could actually do conversions that way (conversions with other GW parts from more kits I'd buy). After replacing my entire army with plastic models, I'd then keep up a slow but constant trickle of buying more plastic Sororitas so I could do the character conversion projects I've grown fond of.

I sent an e-mail to GW detailing this a year or two ago, the customer service rep told me to keep my faith strong because GW hadn't forgotten the Sororitas. Haven't seen a hint of plastic Sororitas or even the army getting a proper hardcopy Codex since then, even though the fething Imperial Guard STORMTROOPERS got a hardcopy Codex dedicated to their entirety of two units and a vehicle.

Yeah, REALLY feeling the love here, GW. TRULY.

Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

 rybackstun wrote:
Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

The existing rules aren't actually "halfway decent." In fact, they're pretty good as-is without relying on formations or über units that pollute the rest of 40K these days. I'm probably of the minority opinion that Sisters only need a few tweaks to add some variety to list building, and almost all of those tweaks can be made to existing, underused units in our current codex.

However, If given the choice between leaving the Sisters in their pseudo-Limbo state or getting an update and completely butchering the soul of the army, I choose the former

 the_Armyman wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:
Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

The existing rules aren't actually "halfway decent." In fact, they're pretty good as-is without relying on formations or über units that pollute the rest of 40K these days. I'm probably of the minority opinion that Sisters only need a few tweaks to add some variety to list building, and almost all of those tweaks can be made to existing, underused units in our current codex.

However, If given the choice between leaving the Sisters in their pseudo-Limbo state or getting an update and completely butchering the soul of the army, I choose the former

To be honest, I am a bit wary about the prospect of GW redoing Sororitas in plastic. I saw what they did with Grey Knights, Necrons and Dark Eldar, and it leads me to think they'd make major, unneeded changes to the aesthetic.

I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

I am a bit worried that they'd change things for the sake of making them different enough that players can't mesh the old models with new and maintain a coherent look for their whole army in the process, and I'm even more worried that they'd mess with the aesthetic in a way I wouldn't like.

There's also the unfortunate possibility of GW designing Sororitas to be overpowered to boost sales as much as possible to justify the expenditure. This is a problem because 5e Grey Knights proved that people don't care if you're playing with your decade-old collection of minis, or even if they know that your primary faction has been Grey Knights (or in this case, Sororitas) for years. They're going to treat you exactly the same as they treat the flavour-of-the-month army-hopping power-gamers, with exactly the same insults and rude remarks. This is why I really, really hope Sororitas never become a top-tier or overpowered army. I don't want to deal with knowing that every time I bring up my favorite 40k army, tabletop gamers are going to look down on me like that.

I know I would at less be interested in picking them up. But with CSM and necrons already, I don't know if I would for certain pick up SoB

 Pouncey wrote:


I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

One day I will figure out why your draconians have boobs :p

 Pouncey wrote:

To be honest, I am a bit wary about the prospect of GW redoing Sororitas in plastic. I saw what they did with Grey Knights, Necrons and Dark Eldar, and it leads me to think they'd make major, unneeded changes to the aesthetic.

I'm not sure Dark Eldar belong in your list. Jes Goodwin is probably the only person at GW who could be left to his own devices and make an amazing Sisters reboot in plastic. Besides, I can ignore a bad sculpt or concept (i,.e., Dreadknight): what I can't simply sweep under the rug would be an entire codex of bad fluff and bad rules.

I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

I doubt that they'd completely redesign the Adepta Sorotitas look - I might be giving them too much credit, but considering that every single picture of them from any of the Digital Codexes, novels etc look essentially the same as they always have, I'd say they're sticking to that idea.

I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

I just started my sisters army, I love metal models but a physical codex would rock

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Like bretonnia who still has models and isn't dead? (Not yet anyway). Better to compare them to Tomb Kings.

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Faithless heretics get purged, you know.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I'd say that automatic ignores cover or rending-on-a-leadership-test is probably better than rolling a psychic power for it. >>

I would definitely say that.

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

Maybe they've just been waiting to clear out a lot of stock before releasing the new ones? If they didn't, then everyone would be snapping up the new and improved models and the old stock becomes wasted profit. The same thing would happen if they announced new sisters. People would stop buying the old models they still had in stock to wait for improved new ones.

 Jancoran wrote:
I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

Two false assumptions here: That GW operates the way you think businesses operate, and that the way businesses operate is inherently efficient.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

Maybe they've just been waiting to clear out a lot of stock before releasing the new ones? If they didn't, then everyone would be snapping up the new and improved models and the old stock becomes wasted profit. The same thing would happen if they announced new sisters. People would stop buying the old models they still had in stock to wait for improved new ones.

Honestly I think they are just treading water on sisters. GW hasn't been doing so well lately. They have been using a lot of short term extreme measures to keep up their profits. It would be really risky to do sisters because they pretty much need a universal update. Better to focus on sure sellers instead.

However, the good news is that probably aren't ging to get dropped. They keep sneaking them into books and there a ton of new art for them. That well keep printing just enough books and models to not completely destroy interest and release when things are looking better. For now they will just limited run the models on the metal stuff until they are ready to commit.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
I heard they 'gun die. Just like ye old bretonnia. RIP the dream.

Not according to certain rumor sources.

It is a bit odd they have been out of stock of the boltor sister 10 pack for like, 2 months now.

Maybe they've just been waiting to clear out a lot of stock before releasing the new ones? If they didn't, then everyone would be snapping up the new and improved models and the old stock becomes wasted profit. The same thing would happen if they announced new sisters. People would stop buying the old models they still had in stock to wait for improved new ones.

I just hope for new metal models, won't happen but I can dream. Metal models give them such a damn good feeling on the board and its nice ordering from GW for the units I want instead of trying to ebay them like my eldar metal army.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

I just hope for new metal models, won't happen but I can dream. Metal models give them such a damn good feeling on the board and its nice ordering from GW for the units I want instead of trying to ebay them like my eldar metal army.

Plus, with metal minis, you can wing them at an opponent's plastic Riptide/Wraithknight/Stormsurge if he's jerkish enough to field them against your Sisters!

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

I just hope for new metal models, won't happen but I can dream. Metal models give them such a damn good feeling on the board and its nice ordering from GW for the units I want instead of trying to ebay them like my eldar metal army.

Plus, with metal minis, you can wing them at an opponent's plastic Riptide/Wraithknight/Stormsurge if he's jerkish enough to field them against your Sisters!

I'll just hellstorm torrent their troops and then spam my meltas instead less chance of me breaking my backpacks off my models!

 Melissia wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I think I can speak with authority on the subject of how businesses operate.

Two false assumptions here: That GW operates the way you think businesses operate, and that the way businesses operate is inherently efficient.

I think none of that changes my original statement. Lol.

I do hear people saying that they wouldn't buy any more models, but let's face it: One of the things GW is an expert at is building demand for new models/units. I'd love to see what kind of larger units/elite units they could make for the army.

 Jancoran wrote:
The model line hasn't shown enough demand to justify creating a whole huge run of new models, though they may well do it anyways. It would be one of the triskiest things they've committed to in a long time if they do. I think they are more risk averse than that but I hope to God they have someone with the stones to do it.

Aye, it would be a risk. But seeing how well they did with Dork Eldar and absolutely-not-Tomb-Kings-in-SPACE! it might be worth it. We had exactly one Deldar player before the relaunch, and he picked them mostly because they were extremely cheap to start with all the (eh... 3rd ed?) starter box kits available from people stuck with them. Now several other guys have at least a small force of them. Never saw a live Necron before the relaunch either, but out mr. Money immediately dropped several hundred on them.

I very much doubt it, sadly. Much like the bulk of the spending public it seems, I have never found nearly enough appeal in the Sororitas' background, miniatures or rules to want an army of space nuns in pointy braziers.

As it happens, I rate the chances of ever seeing them in plastic to be infinitesimally minute.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

One day I will figure out why your draconians have boobs :p

Have wondered the same thing about the Falleen from Star Wars for like fifteen years now.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

One day I will figure out why your draconians have boobs :p

:: shrug ::

Most mammals in reality don't have boobs. Humans do. Yet whenever humanity makes a fictional mammalian species like elves, faeries, orcs or Klingons, the females have boobs. No one thinks that's weird.


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 the_Armyman wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

To be honest, I am a bit wary about the prospect of GW redoing Sororitas in plastic. I saw what they did with Grey Knights, Necrons and Dark Eldar, and it leads me to think they'd make major, unneeded changes to the aesthetic.

I'm not sure Dark Eldar belong in your list. Jes Goodwin is probably the only person at GW who could be left to his own devices and make an amazing Sisters reboot in plastic. Besides, I can ignore a bad sculpt or concept (i,.e., Dreadknight): what I can't simply sweep under the rug would be an entire codex of bad fluff and bad rules.

I agree the Dark Eldar turned out very well, but they're very different than the original Dark Eldar metal minis.

I mean, I like most of the Sororitas minis (my two favorite sculpts are the Hospitaller and the Retributor with Heavy Bolter and my least favorite is the Dialogus), the main reason I want them in plastic is so I can do headswaps with Skinks and add Skink tails to make wonderfully-heretical scaly Sororitas models.

Spoiler:

: D

So... All of the major SoB units are out of stock and have been for a long time now, we might be getting plastic sooner rather than later?

I had to make my own immolator because they were out of stock and the upgrade kits were ridiculously expensive. If they want people to get into Sisters or continue playing them, they should probably do something before the resell price from third party sites puts people off the idea.

I was willing to drop 1,000 on a sisters army, but no siricum, no immolator, no exorsict, no battle sisters(10) pack.... Like come on GW Take my damn money!

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
So... All of the major SoB units are out of stock and have been for a long time now, we might be getting plastic sooner rather than later?

So far, the "Temporarily out of stock" description has meant just that: stuff goes out of stock for a week or two, then they become available again. However, where it used to be a couple items out of stock at one time, over the past 6-12 months, it's been like half a dozen or more out of stock at a time. If the distribution centers are keeping less on hand, it could mean either existing stocks are becoming critical or that GW is less inclined to make large production orders on older stock.

Either way, I don't think plastic is in the near future.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
So... All of the major SoB units are out of stock and have been for a long time now, we might be getting plastic sooner rather than later?

So far, the "Temporarily out of stock" description has meant just that: stuff goes out of stock for a week or two, then they become available again. However, where it used to be a couple items out of stock at one time, over the past 6-12 months, it's been like half a dozen or more out of stock at a time. If the distribution centers are keeping less on hand, it could mean either existing stocks are becoming critical or that GW is less inclined to make large production orders on older stock.

Either way, I don't think plastic is in the near future.

Seems a bit odd to me that their core model bundle has been out of stock for like 1-2 months though!

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
I was willing to drop 1,000 on a sisters army, but no siricum, no immolator, no exorsict, no battle sisters(10) pack.... Like come on GW Take my damn money!

I remember when the Blessed Banner mini was just an alternative Simulacrum mini...

 Pouncey wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
I was willing to drop 1,000 on a sisters army, but no siricum, no immolator, no exorsict, no battle sisters(10) pack.... Like come on GW Take my damn money!

I remember when the Blessed Banner mini was just an alternative Simulacrum mini...

Im thinking of doing that, simulacrum is needed and banner from what I seen isn't so much.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
I was willing to drop 1,000 on a sisters army, but no siricum, no immolator, no exorsict, no battle sisters(10) pack.... Like come on GW Take my damn money!

I remember when the Blessed Banner mini was just an alternative Simulacrum mini...

Im thinking of doing that, simulacrum is needed and banner from what I seen isn't so much.

I converted one of mine into an actual banner with a Bretonnian flag.

Then it broke because it was flimsy.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Seems a bit odd to me that their core model bundle has been out of stock for like 1-2 months though!

The problem comes from the way the molds are designed. AFAIK, there is no "Battle Sisters Squad" mold. That squad contains components from up to five different molds, so if even one component of that squad goes out of stock, they'll wait a period of time before they work it into the production schedule. Meanwhile, maybe another component of the squad goes out of stock while we're waiting. Then that requires them to schedule that component into the schedule creating a knock-on effect.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Seems a bit odd to me that their core model bundle has been out of stock for like 1-2 months though!

The problem comes from the way the molds are designed. AFAIK, there is no "Battle Sisters Squad" mold. That squad contains components from up to five different molds, so if even one component of that squad goes out of stock, they'll wait a period of time before they work it into the production schedule. Meanwhile, maybe another component of the squad goes out of stock while we're waiting. Then that requires them to schedule that component into the schedule creating a knock-on effect.

Oooh, That would explain it then, since the simu flag has been out of stock forever now. I really with they would get it together with them

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Seems a bit odd to me that their core model bundle has been out of stock for like 1-2 months though!

The problem comes from the way the molds are designed. AFAIK, there is no "Battle Sisters Squad" mold. That squad contains components from up to five different molds, so if even one component of that squad goes out of stock, they'll wait a period of time before they work it into the production schedule. Meanwhile, maybe another component of the squad goes out of stock while we're waiting. Then that requires them to schedule that component into the schedule creating a knock-on effect.

Oooh, That would explain it then, since the simu flag has been out of stock forever now. I really with they would get it together with them

It's not really a flag or banner, it's a stick with a roll of parchment attached.

Yeah, the original Banner Bearer model was much more awesome than either of the Simulacrum models. :(

nedTCM wrote:
GW hasn't been doing so well lately. They have been using a lot of short term extreme measures to keep up their profits. It would be really risky to do sisters because they pretty much need a universal update. Better to focus on sure sellers instead.

Like Genestealer cults, because those don't need an universal upgrade?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

nedTCM wrote:
GW hasn't been doing so well lately. They have been using a lot of short term extreme measures to keep up their profits. It would be really risky to do sisters because they pretty much need a universal update. Better to focus on sure sellers instead.

Like Genestealer cults, because those don't need an universal upgrade?

Many people on Dakka have expressed a desire to start a Sisters of Battle army, but name the crazy-expensive metal infantry as their primary reason they haven't.

Once, when I went into my local GW to order some Sororitas models (a number of years ago) and a discussion started about plastic ones, one of the staff said that I wouldn't be able to come in on the hypothetical release day to buy them because he was going to buy the store's entire supply. (On the other hand, at one point I asked a staff member whether a KFF or SAG on a Big Mek was better, and he got out the store's Ork Codex and looked up the rules and point cost with me and said "both, if you can afford the points." Somehow we both missed that a Big Mek isn't allowed to take both. He probably doesn't play Orks though)

I wouldn't play them, but I would probably buy a box to paint.

 Pouncey wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Seems a bit odd to me that their core model bundle has been out of stock for like 1-2 months though!

The problem comes from the way the molds are designed. AFAIK, there is no "Battle Sisters Squad" mold. That squad contains components from up to five different molds, so if even one component of that squad goes out of stock, they'll wait a period of time before they work it into the production schedule. Meanwhile, maybe another component of the squad goes out of stock while we're waiting. Then that requires them to schedule that component into the schedule creating a knock-on effect.

Oooh, That would explain it then, since the simu flag has been out of stock forever now. I really with they would get it together with them

It's not really a flag or banner, it's a stick with a roll of parchment attached.

The blessed banner is now not out of stock, but no longer available. I think I chose a horrible time to spend loads into an army -.-

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

Seems a bit odd to me that their core model bundle has been out of stock for like 1-2 months though!

The problem comes from the way the molds are designed. AFAIK, there is no "Battle Sisters Squad" mold. That squad contains components from up to five different molds, so if even one component of that squad goes out of stock, they'll wait a period of time before they work it into the production schedule. Meanwhile, maybe another component of the squad goes out of stock while we're waiting. Then that requires them to schedule that component into the schedule creating a knock-on effect.

Oooh, That would explain it then, since the simu flag has been out of stock forever now. I really with they would get it together with them

It's not really a flag or banner, it's a stick with a roll of parchment attached.

The blessed banner is now not out of stock, but no longer available. I think I chose a horrible time to spend loads into an army -.-

I doubt GW will choose to Squat them.

And even if you can't get a sizeable force, you could use a small force of them as fluffy allies for your preferred Imperial Guard regiment (Sororitas sometimes fight alongside Guardsmen to bolster their allies, and IG are always happy to see Sororitas on the line with them, due to the Sororitas role in the Imperial Creed)

That said, I'm really hoping this is a precursor to plastic infantry. It's probably not, but come on, it's Sororitas. Gotta have faith that the God-Emperor will provide, right?

I'll only collect sisters if they are metal, so if they do go plastic its hit or miss for me, people could horde them and drive the price up as oop 'rare' items, or could sell in bulk. Hopefully this is just temporary supply issue

Only if they made them a bit less fugly in the face.

And even then, I'd buy and paint a few, not play.

Brother Armiger wrote:
Only if they made them a bit less fugly in the face.

And even then, I'd buy and paint a few, not play.

You play Space Marines and you're complaining about models with ugly faces?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Brother Armiger wrote:
Only if they made them a bit less fugly in the face.

And even then, I'd buy and paint a few, not play.

You play Space Marines and you're complaining about models with ugly faces?

And worse haircuts. At least the Sisters have a bit of style.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Brother Armiger wrote:
Only if they made them a bit less fugly in the face.

And even then, I'd buy and paint a few, not play.

You play Space Marines and you're complaining about models with ugly faces?

And worse haircuts. At least the Sisters have a bit of style.

Just got my order in today... I fricking love these models! The weight and the poses are fantastic. Faces could be better but GW has always been horrible with them haha

 the_Armyman wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:
Gimme a new Codex and plastic models and I'm in. I've got some of the old Metal Models (which I should fix and paint up) but I despise Metal Models to my very core and would never want to build a full army of them.

I'd likely switch factions immediately if the rules were even halfway decent.

The existing rules aren't actually "halfway decent." In fact, they're pretty good as-is without relying on formations or über units that pollute the rest of 40K these days. I'm probably of the minority opinion that Sisters only need a few tweaks to add some variety to list building, and almost all of those tweaks can be made to existing, underused units in our current codex.

However, If given the choice between leaving the Sisters in their pseudo-Limbo state or getting an update and completely butchering the soul of the army, I choose the former

I actually got to reading the eBook version of the dex (more than skimming like I did last time) and I've realized they are a LOT better than I thought they were. Enough that I'm picking up some of those TGG2 models and actually attempting to fill out a Sisters force. Got super excited at the prospect so now I just wait.

yeah everyone acts like an expert on Sisters of Battle and tells me how low tier they are. Seems they dont play against them enough to know better.

Which is fine for me!

The SoB models are woefully out of date. In 1998 I was buying the same models they sell today.

An updated plastic kit would refresh the sisters and I would love to see how GW updated them to today's standards.

Me personally i would only get a few new things and then that would be it. i've got so many already that all i really need would be a flyer and maybe some special type troops.

 Jancoran wrote:
yeah everyone acts like an expert on Sisters of Battle and tells me how low tier they are. Seems they dont play against them enough to know better.

Which is fine for me!

It was more along the lines of how bad the White Dwarf-dex was as I was looking through it back in 5th/6th?.

I look forward to playing them some more

Building them now...my love for metal is slowy turning into a burning hate...how the hell am i meant to build 'pain' engine walkers or celestian????

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Building them now...my love for metal is slowy turning into a burning hate...how the hell am i meant to build 'pain' engine walkers or celestian????

As for the Penitent Engines, after nearly hurling one through a window, I spent a couple of weeks cooling off and then used copious amounts of green stuff.

Most competent modelers (not me when it comes to metal) would've opted for pinning. Lots, and lots, of pinning.

Also, Celestine could benefit from pinning/green stuff too. Personally, I modified mine to use a Blood Angels winged backpack that comes with the Sanguinary Guard.

Celestians on the other hand are essentially normal Sororitas infantry models with some extra gold trim and a different-color line near the edges of their robes. Essentially just a slightly different paint job.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Building them now...my love for metal is slowy turning into a burning hate...how the hell am i meant to build 'pain' engine walkers or celestian????

You need to pin them. That is the best way to do it although it actually will go together without that. Staying that way?

Also: use Epoxy on it. Just do it. Two part epoxy is the answer to all models like that one that are just so big and heavy that they need the reinforcement. Once Epoxy is on there... the model will break before it does.


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 rybackstun wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
yeah everyone acts like an expert on Sisters of Battle and tells me how low tier they are. Seems they dont play against them enough to know better.

Which is fine for me!

It was more along the lines of how bad the White Dwarf-dex was as I was looking through it back in 5th/6th?.

I look forward to playing them some more

Well i didn't struggle with the White Dwarf Codex either. I was very sad they removed Kyrinov. don't get it. He's even mentioned in the fluff in th new codex. Oh well. He was one of the few ways i found a way to actually use Celestians.

If Celestians are ever fixed (meaning they actually get a pistol AND close combat weapons, 4 attacks on the charge and can be taken in 20's somewhat like the treatment Necrons gave their diseased little buddies) then perhaps we could take us some Celestians but that is the one unit i cannot finsd any use for outside the Sororitas Command Squad.

Yes but only as a addition to my guard army so about 500 points of them. So 2-3 rhinos and 2-3 squads.

 Jancoran wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Building them now...my love for metal is slowy turning into a burning hate...how the hell am i meant to build 'pain' engine walkers or celestian????

You need to pin them. That is the best way to do it although it actually will go together without that. Staying that way?

Also: use Epoxy on it. Just do it. Two part epoxy is the answer to all models like that one that are just so big and heavy that they need the reinforcement. Once Epoxy is on there... the model will break before it does.


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 rybackstun wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
yeah everyone acts like an expert on Sisters of Battle and tells me how low tier they are. Seems they dont play against them enough to know better.

Which is fine for me!

It was more along the lines of how bad the White Dwarf-dex was as I was looking through it back in 5th/6th?.

I look forward to playing them some more

Well i didn't struggle with the White Dwarf Codex either. I was very sad they removed Kyrinov. don't get it. He's even mentioned in the fluff in th new codex. Oh well. He was one of the few ways i found a way to actually use Celestians.

If Celestians are ever fixed (meaning they actually get a pistol AND close combat weapons, 4 attacks on the charge and can be taken in 20's somewhat like the treatment Necrons gave their diseased little buddies) then perhaps we could take us some Celestians but that is the one unit i cannot finsd any use for outside the Sororitas Command Squad.

Any suggestions for pinning? the model joints are really small and I have heard people using anything from needles to wooden dowls.

I chop paper clips up, or if I want something stronger the arms of a bulldog clip (use an old pair of cutters though, and definitely not your plastic cutter ones because you'll probably damage them chopping the hard-metal). We've got thousands of them here at work so no-one will notice a few going missing

 GoonBandito wrote:
I chop paper clips up, or if I want something stronger the arms of a bulldog clip (use an old pair of cutters though, and definitely not your plastic cutter ones because you'll probably damage them chopping the hard-metal). We've got thousands of them here at work so no-one will notice a few going missing

I am only just getting back into 40k (last played 3rd and start of 4th) and that is exactly what I did, when converting/pinning etc metal minis.

In regards to collecting SOB (think I have 1000pts or so lying around, was one of my side armies), totally. If the new plastic models were similar to the old models, just had a plastic revamp (eg were segmented into pieces like a space marine tactical squad etc). Then could integrate the old models in with the new in regards to overall look of the army. If it was a total over-haul, so the new models look totally different, then would pass.

Well... I got one penitence engine made.... kinda. Im kinda wanting plastics but the weight behind it is just too good!
Oh and if anyone feels the need to rid themselves of their sisters give me a shout

I'd settle for a reboxing and full support of the current models in the line. New models more than likely means new look. I'll be careful what I wish for and be happy I have a ton more than I'll ever need. Adding repressor bits to the immolator be okay, but since I already have enough for four or five armies painted, maybe this question isn't for me.

Tweak Celestians to fit their role(I say power weapons and rosaries or better invuln), Repentia to be a bit cheaper (I'd prefer larger units that are faster for less effect if necessary). Put the Repressor and our flyer in the dex, give PE's IWND and a palatine/canoness slot with HQ's that can equip jump packs and useful bits to make them cool enough to compare to our Living Saint, and I'm totally happy with the entire Dex.

Of course a Lord of War Baneblade with a church on top and a torrent APOC size flamer template that can carry 40 models who all can assault out of it fixes most of those issues anyways. Oh wait, I already have one of those....

Keep your flamer well fueled and your inferno pistol close!

If this thread was a year ago, then I would have said yes.

I have however given up on Sisters completely and gone over to Skitarii.

Skitarri are okay i guess but they are nothing like sisters of Battle, really in any way. odd Sequiter.

The Sisters of Battle I have been playing win a lot. The only recent defeat I had was against a Tau player and that was motre of a collossal dice breakdown than anything else. he seized initiative, to start the game, I flubbed during an assault for three rounds straight which was kind of hilarious and he rolled like Gawd. Even then he barely won.

What I like about Sisters of Battle is that they have a lot of character, their Iconography is GREAT, the Acts of Faith and Shield of Faith really give them an identity that is truly its own, and they have tools for every job that needs doing.

they are dated and struggle with things like a Wraith Knight and they have no anti-air built into the list so those two things force you to REALLY learn to play them. But there are answers to those things to. Not optimized ones, but there are.

So given all that, if they add the jet into the codex, added a Sisters Specific Imperial Knight into the Codex (I hate Knights but it would be cool) and they COMMIT to a role for Celestians, give the darn penitent Engine Init 4 that would be a solid start.

make the Exorcist kit a multi-kit that can do the Rhino or Immolator. Add a Repressor model. hell give them an Assault vehicle and people would be all over it.

Lots of choices would make them popular.

 Jancoran wrote:
Skitarri are okay i guess but they are nothing like sisters of Battle, really in any way. odd Sequiter.

The point was, a year ago I was still sitting around, waiting for the plastics, as I had been for many many years before.

But then I decided when Skitarii came out that they were the only army other than Sisters that truly held my attention, and that let me emotionally let go of the hopes of ever getting plastic sisters. Now, after having let go, plastic sisters interest me not at all anymore.

Honestly it depends on the price. If they're priced like the Skitarii box ($45ish for 10 with all weapons options) then I'd get a couple for an allied detachment. If they're priced like the Scions ($45ish for half a squad when you need a minimum of 2 and a half squads) then no, I wouldn't bother.

I like the minis, I like the background. If I'm going to pay $10/ mini then gods let it be metal. Even mono-pose is fine by me. You can't get too many realistic poses out of bolter-wielding line infantry. My Crimson Fists only manage it because I've purposefully made them sort of rag-tag non Codex-adherent.

Just played my first game with sisters vs space marines... I need more exorcists and these girls ROCK! I for sure would buy more, and even if they got plastic I might even give them a shot too.

yeah, they have a lot of character, as much as the Mechanicum for me, this is why I wish they were plastic models.
I would do a little witch hunters allied detachement.
They truly belong to 40k, it is sad GW has forgotten them.

 Pouncey wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Building them now...my love for metal is slowy turning into a burning hate...how the hell am i meant to build 'pain' engine walkers or celestian????

As for the Penitent Engines, after nearly hurling one through a window, I spent a couple of weeks cooling off and then used copious amounts of green stuff.

Most competent modelers (not me when it comes to metal) would've opted for pinning. Lots, and lots, of pinning.

Also, Celestine could benefit from pinning/green stuff too. Personally, I modified mine to use a Blood Angels winged backpack that comes with the Sanguinary Guard.

Celestians on the other hand are essentially normal Sororitas infantry models with some extra gold trim and a different-color line near the edges of their robes. Essentially just a slightly different paint job.

Honestly they are so cheap right now it is well worth to buy them if you can handle the building of them, when a plastic one (if) comes out it would be 50$ for sure.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Building them now...my love for metal is slowy turning into a burning hate...how the hell am i meant to build 'pain' engine walkers or celestian????

As for the Penitent Engines, after nearly hurling one through a window, I spent a couple of weeks cooling off and then used copious amounts of green stuff.

Most competent modelers (not me when it comes to metal) would've opted for pinning. Lots, and lots, of pinning.

Also, Celestine could benefit from pinning/green stuff too. Personally, I modified mine to use a Blood Angels winged backpack that comes with the Sanguinary Guard.

Celestians on the other hand are essentially normal Sororitas infantry models with some extra gold trim and a different-color line near the edges of their robes. Essentially just a slightly different paint job.

Honestly they are so cheap right now it is well worth to buy them if you can handle the building of them, when a plastic one (if) comes out it would be 50$ for sure.

They finally got simulacums in stock so just made me second order (seraphim(2 flamer), cannoness, 3 exorcists, melta guns) and while it was stupid expensive (400 canadian) Im SURE they will pull the Harelyquinn bs again and charge full price for a min squad.

Simulacrum Imperialis is gold. Especially for my Dominions.

 Jancoran wrote:
Simulacrum Imperialis is gold. Especially for my Dominions.

Yeah, I love the idea of 4 scout melta ignore cover. I ordered 5 of them since ill be running 5 squads of 3 sisters +melta currently.

To keep to the topic. Yes I would play them and as it stands, there current Codex is still actually pretty dang good and I would use it. Do beleive that if they ever do get a model remake, that GW would do so with a new Codex to help make it sell. With that being the case, the Sisters of Battle Army only really lacks a Hvy. Armored, hard-hitting unit and there own unique flyer, as the rest of their Army is very solid. Something akin to Sisters of Battle in Terminator Armor or something similar is what I had in mind, and as for the flyer, something that utilizes the Holy Trinity of Weaponry. Thinking Multi-Meltas or a Special Hvy. Bolter Weapon. Other then that Sisters are good to go imo.

The only reason I wouldn't play them in 40k isn't because they are metal. I like metal. I prefer it to plastic in a lot of cases.

It's a lackluster rule set (not for the army, for the game).

If they came out in plastic, would I buy them? Depends. If they let someone like Jes Goodwin do the sculpts, very probably (but bottom line, is I have to LIKE the models enough to want them).

It still wouldn't be enough to get me back into 40k, though. A painting project, yes. Figures for another set of rules, yes.