I saw that the preorders for Traitor's hate had dropped and with it the pricing of the new stuff. I thought to myself, hey let's check out the new Kharn. Maybe it will be worth the preorder.

I checked the price...

$60 for one miniature.

I mean, seriously? How stupid do GW think we are. What sort of pinheaded moron priced that and though "People are likely to want to pay sixty dollars for one miniature that formerly had a model that sold in the mid 20s".

Do they honestly think $60 is a reasonable price?

Looks at flag.
Oh, you are from NZ. I'm enjoying a nice 35$ kharn model

He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

must be nice to do that, sadly I'm on the island and the only bigger rip off artists then GW in existance is BC Ferries

What amuses me is that Kharn only costs a buck less than a full squad of 12 khorne berserkers here, and actually costs a buck more than a squad of Raptors (who would make great conversion fodder for a kitbash of him).

I'm gonna cling onto my old Kharn for the forseeable future unless he appears in a Start Collecting! box.

I like the new Kharn. I may get him just to have another character model to paint (I don't play CSM and I don't need another army). $35 is a bit rich, so hopefully he will hit eBay at a discount.

I still really like the old Kharn model (which is still available on the web store) and since he is half the price of the new one, I would probably get that one (even though he is in resin not plastic)

BrianDavion wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

must be nice to do that, sadly I'm on the island and the only bigger rip off artists then GW in existence is BC Ferries

Oh if I were to go across the boarder and buy it and come back I would be taxed even MORE than ordering it online and then add in travel times and fuel cost of driving. Got to love the over taxation. I seem to be one of the only Canadians I know being hit with so much taxes and levees. You would think I was smuggling in weapons or something. One common thing some people can do is buy and ship to an American company near the border than hire a courier service to bring it up north which is usually cheaper than ordering online depending on deals you can find and what your buying. It's madness. Which only proves my point that everything is over priced in Canada just because they can get away with it.

I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

In the UK he costs £22, making him the most expensive Chaos SMed size miniture by a margin. Even some of the Stormcast heroes don't cost that amount. So I'd say keep hold of your old Kharn if you have him, since he seems quite steep for what you get.

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

One small plastic mini sold at 43$ is not unreasonable to you????

To me, it seems that nowadays, the only affordable things from GW are the discounted bundle (a la deatwatch or get started kit), every other new release is simply grossly overpriced. And a make a decent amount of $$$, imagine how hard it is to get in the hobby for students or teens.

That's an awful price for one roughly human sized model... HQ's used to be the cheap part of an army

£22 GBP on the UK site. About the same price as a Tactical Marine box. So much for making reasonable prices.

Even if CSM is fixed with thus release, the models are just too expenisve at this range.

And this is why I don't get the positivity about roundtree, he's clearly a false messiah.

Sounds like this winter when I cross the boarder to go fishing I should load the truck up with GW models. The Canadian boarder patrol only ask "do you have any guns?" "How much alcohol and tobacco?" Never do you have any GW models...

I could see the Toronto paper now... Pennsylvania man caught smuggling 1000 plastic toy models across the boarder looking at 10-30 years in the clink.

i'll be getting one
he is my favorite Chaos character, and i like dynamic poses in plastic better than static poses in Finecast...

i understand why a Kiwi would have some serious sticker shock, though...
you guys get screwed even harder than the Aussies :(

cheers
jah

how much is postage to NZ from UK? it might be cheaper to get someone to buy it and send it?

hobojebus wrote:
And this is why I don't get the positivity about roundtree, he's clearly a false messiah.

It's far too early to say either way. There seems to be some positive things happening. But let's face it, this is Games Workshop, they are always going to be overpriced. The day that changes is the day they start having a snowball fight in hell.

I was thinking about the whole pricing thing the other day though. When I got into the hobby back in the 90s it was still expensive, in relative terms. I obviously had a lot less money, being a child. But I see, to remember a box of 10 marines costing around £15, they've gone up to around £22 now I think, that's a price increase of £7 over 20 years. I don't know exact inflation or anything, but it doesn't seem too extreme.

But back in the day, I could go into a GW store and buy myself a model with the change in my pocket. £2.50 would get me a single guy in a blister, a quid more and I might get two space marine scouts or whatever. Fact is, you could get yourself a nice little project for the week with your pocket money. It was a pocket money level hobby that young teens could get into very easily, these blister packs were a nice little gateway drug to the harder stuff of box sets and vehicle kits.

GW simply doesn't have that any more, and I find that a little sad.

Now those little blisters are gone, and a character will set you back £15 in the shop. Now don't get me wrong, I love the plastic range of characters they have been putting out, the sculpts are generally amazing, and usually a joy to paint model and paint. For whatever reason GW decided to switch away from using metal, maybe they decided the price of metals was getting too unstable for their liking during the last financial crash or something *shrugs* whatever.

It's just a shame they seem to have lost that part of their appeal.

As for The Betrayer's pricing, he's a lot cheaper on third party sites, as is everything. He's still pricey, but not breaking that golden £20 barrier...oh and Aussies and Kiwis moaning about GW pricing is becoming almost as prevalent as Sisters players and Chaos players hungrily crying for an updated model line. Write White Dwarf a letter or something, see if they answer

Yeah......I'll keep my metal version, thank you very much. He's served me faithfully for 15+ years.

I refuse to pay $30+ for any of the character packs...of course I'm playing old 2nd edition models, so I just get stuff on eBay for $5. I can't believe people think that $30 for a single small sprue is "reasonable"...at all.

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

Not to mention the improved community outreach, social media presence, etc. I don't get the mentality that a couple of things still being expensive invalidates every positive step they've made lately and somehow makes Rountree a 'false messiah'.

It is a little funny how he ended up costing so much - it's very difficult to see why he costs so much next to other HQ's, which are around the 10-15 pound margin here in the UK.

I think the sculpt is nice, but not good enough to merit paying £22 for. I'm just pleased that we can finally buy the Void Shield Generator model that they stupidly put as an LE model. Give me the Plasma Obliterator too GW, and we can forget about Kharn being £22 mmkay?

G.A

This release is one of the first time I've seen people confuse the Australian flag for the New Zealand one, usually it's the other way around. Quick tip folks: white with a 7 pointed star in the bottom-left corner = AUS, red star lacking a 7 pointed one is NZ.

I'm so glad I'm not sold on the miniature (or even wanted Kharn in the first place) as $60AUD is way too much.

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could get the FW 30k Kharn with its scenic base for cheaper and convert a 40k version from that if I really wanted to...

EDIT: For those wondering, in NZ it's $75NZD.

Hmm, 12 Khorne Bezerkers costs £1 more than Kharn. Imagine how many Kharns you could make out of that, and have guys left over. Do a quick kitbash and voila, you just got 11 Khorne Bezerkers for £1. Sure it won't be as good as the £22 sculpt, but at least you aren't paying larger sums of money for a single guy.

I'd just pay the extra £8 and get the 30k Kharn. Much nicer model.

 General Annoyance wrote:
It is a little funny how he ended up costing so much - it's very difficult to see why he costs so much next to other HQ's, which are around the 10-15 pound margin here in the UK.

I think the sculpt is nice, but not good enough to merit paying £22 for. I'm just pleased that we can finally buy the Void Shield Generator model that they stupidly put as an LE model. Give me the Plasma Obliterator too GW, and we can forget about Kharn being £22 mmkay?

G.A

He's a lot bigger than people seem to grasp.

He's on a 40mm base and seems to use up the space pretty heavily. Additionally, Kharn is a one-off character model. The examples that people have been pointing at as "things being nice and reasonably priced" in the form of the recent Deathwatch character releases likely will not stick around barring the Watch Master.

If you don't like the price of characters don't buy them. None of my characters are the official models because that's more expensive and I hate lots of bling.

 Kanluwen wrote:

He's a lot bigger than people seem to grasp.

He's on a 40mm base and seems to use up the space pretty heavily. Additionally, Kharn is a one-off character model. The examples that people have been pointing at as "things being nice and reasonably priced" in the form of the recent Deathwatch character releases likely will not stick around barring the Watch Master.

Didn't think about that. I certainly just assumed he was on a 32mm base. So then it makes sense his pricing is in line with the Stormcast heroes.

I read that GW prices their stuff so that they can pay off the cost of the mold with the initial production run.
In any case, the price of that mini is probably higher than normal for a plastic character, because they intend to sell fewer. Sadly, that's the type of self-fulfilling prophecy.

While I love GW's boxed set value (especially the standalone games), their very inconsistent pricing is puzzling. This month's white dwarf miniature is sold $30 in the US (while WD is $9). I understand it's free stuff to celebrate the new WD, but how can you sell a miniature $30 and then give it for free when someone buys a $9 item?

 General Annoyance wrote:
It is a little funny how he ended up costing so much - it's very difficult to see why he costs so much next to other HQ's, which are around the 10-15 pound margin here in the UK.

I think the sculpt is nice, but not good enough to merit paying £22 for. I'm just pleased that we can finally buy the Void Shield Generator model that they stupidly put as an LE model. Give me the Plasma Obliterator too GW, and we can forget about Kharn being £22 mmkay?

G.A

Actually most Space Marine HQ models are £18-20, so he's not too far off them.

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

He's a lot bigger than people seem to grasp.

He's on a 40mm base and seems to use up the space pretty heavily. Additionally, Kharn is a one-off character model. The examples that people have been pointing at as "things being nice and reasonably priced" in the form of the recent Deathwatch character releases likely will not stick around barring the Watch Master.

Didn't think about that. I certainly just assumed he was on a 32mm base. So then it makes sense his pricing is in line with the Stormcast heroes.

He's pretty big, and comes in a box rather than a clampack. Like the new broodlord, which is a similar price come to think about it.

Sorry, but there's an awful lot of dead space on a 40mm base, and the fact that he uses a penny or twos worth of extra plastic or comes in cardboard isn't really a valid argument.

The reality is that his sterling price is the standard advancement in price GW applies to each new release, and his Oceania pricing is a symptom of some sort of weird thinking I can't begin to fathom.

Kevin Rountree wrote:
Gross margin was maintained in the period (2016: 68.3%; 2015: 68.9%). We continued with our policy of only increasing the prices of our new releases (approximately 30% of our sales) to reflect the necessary investment in our product offer and the quality we have built into these new releases. The annual impact of this increase on our UK RRP price list is an average increase of 3%.

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

Well i can get 45 canada dollars for 35 us dollars so you get discount.

Mr. CyberPunk wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

One small plastic mini sold at 43$ is not unreasonable to you????

To me, it seems that nowadays, the only affordable things from GW are the discounted bundle (a la deatwatch or get started kit), every other new release is simply grossly overpriced. And a make a decent amount of $$$, imagine how hard it is to get in the hobby for students or teens.

I am a bedraggled starved survivor of the current age of "overpriced pay to win gambling simulators or cheap unity asset knockoff" formerly known as video games. Compared to how the video game industry is milking its chattel and harpooning for whales GW is the kindest company by comparison. The Kharn model takes longer to assemble and is funner to me than what people try and pass as video games. He can then be added to my collection and I can always talk about him and be proud and even get in the occasional games with him. A brand new video game here is 80 dollars and most games (99.99...%) are just not even worth that name anymore then they rip out and tear out functionality or features from past games to be sold for more or cut up a story into three games just cause they can (Deus Ex Mankind Divided). The only video game exception to this is CDProject Red. I feel every other video game company needs to crash and burn and the whole industry needs a restart. Somewhere along the way video games died and the gambling industry scored a big win with their dumb mandatory gambling crates. Then they turn to your face and tell you its all for you. They love "adding value" and other buzzwords the gullible fans of video games believe.

Just talking about it is depressing me. After the Mass Effect 3 ending debacle and the MechWarrior Online civil war things just went downhill. Oh I can't forget Bethesda for inventing the first dlc horse armor. People told me I was making a slippery slope argument, but I was right in the end and they were wrong.

Edit
I can get large discounts at my FLGS on larger 40k orders so I tend to order in bulk because of this which really lowers the cost. Though he does have a constant -10% off on all models but it can go higher depending on how high you order.

That argument is pretty useless. I play plenty of video games, I'm just smart enough to ignore the stupid ones. Just like miniatures, if something is stupidly priced - I'll ignore it.

The only similarity in both situations is that the end consumer is to blame (unfortunately). Companies would not produce and attempt to sell terrible games/miniatures if someone out there wasn't buying them.

A price is either worth it to someone, or not. Do not try to argue that it is an arbitrarily reasonably priced model. I'm sure plenty of people will pay $35+ for a single plastic miniature...and be fine with it. The rest of us will not, and as such we will not purchase said kit (I don't play Chaos so this is all pretty much irrelevant to me).

Anyone, GW or not, trying to sell me a tiny sprue of plastic for $35 can get stuffed.

Useless to you perhaps.

I'd like to point out that Kharn's physical size is irrelevant; the sprue he was produced on is still the same size as all the clampack characters, so it's literally costing them nothing more than the usual production run. The Dominus I can understand; he comes on two sprues, but Kharn is no different than the standard clampack characters.

It's even worse when compared to the Death Watch Terminator captain, who comes with more sprues at a smaller cost.

For a miniature that $15US in metal just a couple editions ago, $35 in mono-pose plastic is absurd for a single 28mm infantry model. $60something for our Oceania friends is beyond insane. That people actually mentioned those prices not being unreasonable in this thread is even more shocking. That's worse than FW character pricing and they're the expensive high end niche house. $35 bought a metal Demon Prince MC 6 years ago...now it gets you a single plastic character. Even if he's on a 40mm base, he's still not that huge, and a monopose plastic character to boot.

Yeah but remember, some people are so deep in that rabbit hole that this kind of justification is the only way they don't go insane from the revelation.

Meanwhile I still have my old metal kharn, and he still looks pretty good.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'd like to point out that Kharn's physical size is irrelevant; the sprue he was produced on is still the same size as all the clampack characters, so it's literally costing them nothing more than the usual production run. The Dominus I can understand; he comes on two sprues, but Kharn is no different than the standard clampack characters.

It's even worse when compared to the Death Watch Terminator captain, who comes with more sprues at a smaller cost.

Just makes it all the more weird that they are sticking him in a box and not a clampack.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Yeah but remember, some people are so deep in that rabbit hole that this kind of justification is the only way they don't go insane from the revelation.

Meanwhile I still have my old metal kharn, and he still looks pretty good.

Hey I explained my justification. Don't lump me in with them. If I try and explain it anymore I'll get banned for going off topic or talking about my hometown/land or something.

 Vaktathi wrote:
For a miniature that $15US in metal just a couple editions ago, $35 in mono-pose plastic is absurd for a single 28mm infantry model. $60something for our Oceania friends is beyond insane. That people actually mentioned those prices not being unreasonable in this thread is even more shocking. That's worse than FW character pricing and they're the expensive high end niche house. $35 bought a metal Demon Prince MC 6 years ago...now it gets you a single plastic character. Even if he's on a 40mm base, he's still not that huge, and a monopose plastic character to boot.

Remember how plastics used to mean POSABILITY and CONVERTABILITY? Now plastic characters are about as posable as the old metal models and with about as much options as well.

While the price is a bit much. How many khárn models is anyone gonna buy, one. Named character models are always more expensive. GW know you only need one and by now people should know that means gw will charge more. A lot of complaining over nothing. Don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved

GW knows very well you won't be buying just one. A lot of people use characters like these for conversion fodder. The entire "you can only have one in your army therefore you will only buy one" is a complete fallacy. I know people who buy multiple Glottkins simply to paint them. That doesn't include those who buy multiple glottkins for conversions as well. GW knows this, there's no way they can't because these people are placing orders for these from the same place. They just use that as one of the many excuses to justify these kind of pricing.

 Motograter wrote:
While the price is a bit much. How many khárn models is anyone gonna buy, one. Named character models are always more expensive. GW know you only need one and by now people should know that means gw will charge more. A lot of complaining over nothing. Don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved

QFT

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
GW knows very well you won't be buying just one. A lot of people use characters like these for conversion fodder. The entire "you can only have one in your army therefore you will only buy one" is a complete fallacy. I know people who buy multiple Glottkins simply to paint them. That doesn't include those who buy multiple glottkins for conversions as well. GW knows this, there's no way they can't because these people are placing orders for these from the same place. They just use that as one of the many excuses to justify these kind of pricing.

No, the majority of people who buy him will only buy one. You'll get the odd person who buys more to use them for conversions but most people will only buy one named character.

Just wait a few weeks after release before people start posting their "variants" of kharn. Most people think that it's just an outlier that someone buys more than one, but it's far more common than you'd think.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Just wait a few weeks after release before people start posting their "variants" of kharn. Most people think that it's just an outlier that someone buys more than one, but it's far more common than you'd think.

Their varient of Kharn might just be their one that they converted. It might be more common than I think, but I also wager it's less common than you seem to think, and definitely not the norm.

I'm not saying every chaos player is going to run outside and buy four copies of Kharn on release day, I'm saying that there will be enough random weirdos that buy multiple copies of him for conversion, variants and other reasons that they "even it out" to a normal set's sales.

By comparison, I doubt every player who wants to run the Librarius Conclave buys 3-5 GW-made Librarians (of any kind). They most likely convert most of them. But the logic there is that people /should/ buy multiple librarians, but no one wants an army made up of just identically posed models so they might go out and get Ezekiel, Mephiston, or other some such to convert up.

 Gamgee wrote:

Mr. CyberPunk wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

One small plastic mini sold at 43$ is not unreasonable to you????

To me, it seems that nowadays, the only affordable things from GW are the discounted bundle (a la deatwatch or get started kit), every other new release is simply grossly overpriced. And a make a decent amount of $$$, imagine how hard it is to get in the hobby for students or teens.

I am a bedraggled starved survivor of the current age of "overpriced pay to win gambling simulators or cheap unity asset knockoff" formerly known as video games. Compared to how the video game industry is milking its chattel and harpooning for whales GW is the kindest company by comparison. The Kharn model takes longer to assemble and is funner to me than what people try and pass as video games. He can then be added to my collection and I can always talk about him and be proud and even get in the occasional games with him. A brand new video game here is 80 dollars and most games (99.99...%) are just not even worth that name anymore then they rip out and tear out functionality or features from past games to be sold for more or cut up a story into three games just cause they can (Deus Ex Mankind Divided). The only video game exception to this is CDProject Red. I feel every other video game company needs to crash and burn and the whole industry needs a restart. Somewhere along the way video games died and the gambling industry scored a big win with their dumb mandatory gambling crates. Then they turn to your face and tell you its all for you. They love "adding value" and other buzzwords the gullible fans of video games believe.

Just talking about it is depressing me. After the Mass Effect 3 ending debacle and the MechWarrior Online civil war things just went downhill. Oh I can't forget Bethesda for inventing the first dlc horse armor. People told me I was making a slippery slope argument, but I was right in the end and they were wrong.

Edit
I can get large discounts at my FLGS on larger 40k orders so I tend to order in bulk because of this which really lowers the cost. Though he does have a constant -10% off on all models but it can go higher depending on how high you order.

I don't think it's a really valid argument because for video games, you can wait a couple of months and the price will drop dramatically. Plus, buying them second hand will have 0 impact on the users experience, contrary to a mini where, personnaly, a big part of the fun isbuilding ans painting it

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

Not to mention the improved community outreach, social media presence, etc. I don't get the mentality that a couple of things still being expensive invalidates every positive step they've made lately and somehow makes Rountree a 'false messiah'.

Creating an echo chamber on facebook was not great they still don't want to hear complaints only fanboy praise.

And things like calth are a good deal in comparison to other GW stuff but that alone does not make them good value.

Nothing they've done has made meaningful change, it's just token effort.

 Motograter wrote:
While the price is a bit much. How many khárn models is anyone gonna buy, one. Named character models are always more expensive. GW know you only need one and by now people should know that means gw will charge more. A lot of complaining over nothing. Don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved

How many monopose characters of any type anybody buys?

IG needs plenty of commisars but I'll be dead before I buy another monopose commisar. One is enough. Especially characters need to be better than monopose. Especially with these prices.

Why don't you just get 3-d party?

hobojebus wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

Not to mention the improved community outreach, social media presence, etc. I don't get the mentality that a couple of things still being expensive invalidates every positive step they've made lately and somehow makes Rountree a 'false messiah'.

Creating an echo chamber on facebook was not great they still don't want to hear complaints only fanboy praise.

And things like calth are a good deal in comparison to other GW stuff but that alone does not make them good value.

Nothing they've done has made meaningful change, it's just token effort.

It's good value in GW's side of town, so that's all that matters. Unless you're gonna buy your space marines from privateer press, but I doubt that.

It's pretty meaningful. With all the box sets and the money you're saving for getting them it's at least a step on the right direction. Nothing will ever go down in price, but they will bundle it and save you like 80 bucks. It sounds like you already hate GW though, so no point arguing in defense for them.

koooaei wrote:Why don't you just get 3-d party?

Because 3 D printing looks like gak.

Nobody jumped to the defense of the admech player when the regular non character dominus came out at that price. Now its happening to you and its not fair. Everyone could have stood up for what is right and did not. Now all the clampacks are going to be like this. Its only going to get worse.

 Orock wrote:
Nobody jumped to the defense of the admech player when the regular non character dominus came out at that price. Now its happening to you and its not fair. Everyone could have stood up for what is right and did not. Now all the clampacks are going to be like this. Its only going to get worse.

Well there wasn't really anyone to jump to and defend since Ad Mech in 40k was new at the time - people accepted the price a little better because they had no preconceptions to what 40k Ad Mech should be priced at.

Now you take Kharn, an iconic character in the 40k universe, and make him £22. While I'll rectify my mistake that ImAGeek pointed out earlier, it's still a very high price point for a model that hasn't changed much between the new iteration and the classic model. I will say though that changing how Kharn looks would have been a bad idea, however they haven't added anything to him to make him more imposing on the battlefield like other HQ models - you'd only spot him because it's Kharn, if that makes sense. Then you look at the Techpriest Dominus, with his large model, crooked and characterful pose and bristling arsenal of weapons, cables and life support systems, and you start to see why people are a little miffed at Kharn's price, despite them being the same.

Yes, you're only going to buy one Kharn (probably) as with every other HQ, and yes he could be bigger than he looks (a common GW curse it seems when it comes to their models) but I don't reckon would walk away from a GW feeling satisfied with the price I paid for Kharn's sculpt compared to walking out with a Space Marine Librarian, Terminator Captain or Eldar Farseer.

G.A

Some people did talk about how absurd the Dominus Techpriest character was priced, it just wasn't something most people concerned themselves with because it was a new faction that few people played.

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

Not to mention the improved community outreach, social media presence, etc. I don't get the mentality that a couple of things still being expensive invalidates every positive step they've made lately and somehow makes Rountree a 'false messiah'.

Creating an echo chamber on facebook was not great they still don't want to hear complaints only fanboy praise.

And things like calth are a good deal in comparison to other GW stuff but that alone does not make them good value.

Nothing they've done has made meaningful change, it's just token effort.

It's good value in GW's side of town, so that's all that matters. Unless you're gonna buy your space marines from privateer press, but I doubt that.

It's pretty meaningful. With all the box sets and the money you're saving for getting them it's at least a step on the right direction. Nothing will ever go down in price, but they will bundle it and save you like 80 bucks. It sounds like you already hate GW though, so no point arguing in defense for them.

koooaei wrote:Why don't you just get 3-d party?

Because 3 D printing looks like gak.

If things don't go down I price GW's decline will continue.

It's not just causing people to leave it's stopping new players joining, GW lost its virtual monopoly years ago it's been dethroned and needs to start taking competitors seriously which means pricing competitively.

hobojebus wrote:

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

Not to mention the improved community outreach, social media presence, etc. I don't get the mentality that a couple of things still being expensive invalidates every positive step they've made lately and somehow makes Rountree a 'false messiah'.

Creating an echo chamber on facebook was not great they still don't want to hear complaints only fanboy praise.

And things like calth are a good deal in comparison to other GW stuff but that alone does not make them good value.

Nothing they've done has made meaningful change, it's just token effort.

It's good value in GW's side of town, so that's all that matters. Unless you're gonna buy your space marines from privateer press, but I doubt that.

It's pretty meaningful. With all the box sets and the money you're saving for getting them it's at least a step on the right direction. Nothing will ever go down in price, but they will bundle it and save you like 80 bucks. It sounds like you already hate GW though, so no point arguing in defense for them.

koooaei wrote:Why don't you just get 3-d party?

Because 3 D printing looks like gak.

If things don't go down I price GW's decline will continue.

It's not just causing people to leave it's stopping new players joining, GW lost its virtual monopoly years ago it's been dethroned and needs to start taking competitors seriously which means pricing competitively.

Kharn being expensive will not stop GW from doing well. If anybody isn't happy, they can create their own from the Berserker Marine kit and give him a fancy paint job. I don't understand what's wrong.

holy crap there are fireworks characters that don't coat that much. Does he come with a gold plated base or something?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
holy crap there are fireworks characters that don't coat that much. Does he come with a gold plated base or something?

He comes with all the rage of Khorne when you realise you payed £22 for him - priceless if you ask me

 Orock wrote:
Nobody jumped to the defense of the admech player when the regular non character dominus came out at that price. Now its happening to you and its not fair. Everyone could have stood up for what is right and did not. Now all the clampacks are going to be like this. Its only going to get worse.

I pointed out that the Dominus was "bad" but acceptable because he came with two sprues (in effect he's only slightly worse than the Chaos Terminator Lord).

Kharn, once again, does not. He has literally half the plastic for the same cost.

As for everyone thinking "if you don't like it, don't buy it", do know that having ANYONE buy this, let alone let enough people who care so little about money as to actually buy them in enough numbers to justify it, will make GW think that it's ok to keep jacking up prices for the rest of us. They're only going to lower prices if they suddenly get warehouses full of stuff that aren't moving. That is not a hyperbole, it's been happening for the past half decade (where the insane current prices came from).

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Kharn being expensive will not stop GW from doing well. If anybody isn't happy, they can create their own from the Berserker Marine kit and give him a fancy paint job. I don't understand what's wrong.

The fact that a character is being re-released in an inferior material to it's older iteration and is 2-3x what that character cost just a few years ago is what people have an issue with. GW's revenue has been on a decline for years, while their prices have gone up, meaning they're selling less stuff to fewer people, so it would appear to have an effect on GW's wellness.

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

GW changed the shade of Macragge blue slightly.

So much for rountree turning things around.


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
holy crap there are fireworks characters that don't coat that much. Does he come with a gold plated base or something?

I think this is GW's attempt at making FW prices seem reasonable.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Kharn being expensive will not stop GW from doing well. If anybody isn't happy, they can create their own from the Berserker Marine kit and give him a fancy paint job. I don't understand what's wrong.

The fact that a character is being re-released in an inferior material to it's older iteration and is 2-3x what that character cost just a few years ago is what people have an issue with. GW's revenue has been on a decline for years, while their prices have gone up, meaning they're selling less stuff to fewer people, so it would appear to have an effect on GW's wellness.

If that's an issue, create your own. It is easier to get more for your buck nowadays, and Kharn being an outlier causes hobojesus to whine.

It is complaining to complain let's be honest here.

 lion_el_johnson wrote:
I saw that the preorders for Traitor's hate had dropped and with it the pricing of the new stuff. I thought to myself, hey let's check out the new Kharn. Maybe it will be worth the preorder.

I checked the price...

$60 for one miniature.

I mean, seriously? How stupid do GW think we are. What sort of pinheaded moron priced that and though "People are likely to want to pay sixty dollars for one miniature that formerly had a model that sold in the mid 20s".

Do they honestly think $60 is a reasonable price?

There are people willing to pay that price. No me but someone.

GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

It just goes to show you how dedicated the fanboys are.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

 Ashiraya wrote:
'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

This is basically GW's mindset for the past half decade.

Or was it a full decade now? Can't remember.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Kharn being expensive will not stop GW from doing well. If anybody isn't happy, they can create their own from the Berserker Marine kit and give him a fancy paint job. I don't understand what's wrong.

The fact that a character is being re-released in an inferior material to it's older iteration and is 2-3x what that character cost just a few years ago is what people have an issue with. GW's revenue has been on a decline for years, while their prices have gone up, meaning they're selling less stuff to fewer people, so it would appear to have an effect on GW's wellness.

If that's an issue, create your own. It is easier to get more for your buck nowadays, and Kharn being an outlier causes hobojesus to whine.

It is complaining to complain let's be honest here.

Not really, and the problem is that Kharne is not an outlier, he's indicative of a trend noted by other people with other models. He may be the most high profile since, IIRC, he's the first *named* character to get this treatment, but lots of other generic characters (such as the techpriest Dominus) have as well. GW's character prices are increasingly matching and exceeding that of FW, which was for years seen as the standard for "way too expensive".

It's easy to tell people to just create their own, but that's missing a whole lot of points, and isn't just as easy for everyone as you make it sound, particularly in reasonably replicating a well known high profile and unique character.

Looking back the plastic Ulrik also got a similar treatment.

Single frame, sells for $50AUD ($10 less than Kharn).

 Vaktathi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Kharn being expensive will not stop GW from doing well. If anybody isn't happy, they can create their own from the Berserker Marine kit and give him a fancy paint job. I don't understand what's wrong.

The fact that a character is being re-released in an inferior material to it's older iteration and is 2-3x what that character cost just a few years ago is what people have an issue with. GW's revenue has been on a decline for years, while their prices have gone up, meaning they're selling less stuff to fewer people, so it would appear to have an effect on GW's wellness.

If that's an issue, create your own. It is easier to get more for your buck nowadays, and Kharn being an outlier causes hobojesus to whine.

It is complaining to complain let's be honest here.

Not really, and the problem is that Kharne is not an outlier, he's indicative of a trend noted by other people with other models. He may be the most high profile since, IIRC, he's the first *named* character to get this treatment, but lots of other generic characters (such as the techpriest Dominus) have as well. GW's character prices are increasingly matching and exceeding that of FW, which was for years seen as the standard for "way too expensive".

It's easy to tell people to just create their own, but that's missing a whole lot of points, and isn't just as easy for everyone as you make it sound, particularly in reasonably replicating a well known high profile and unique character.

It is a special looking axe and a Plasma Pistol. A newcomer can do that with ease. Paint jobs are always harder but modeling the character to be distinct isn't that hard of a task.

You aren't obligated to buy Kharn. If enough people don't buy it then so be it. I don't plan to buy it for example regardless of price as I just don't like lots of bling.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
This release is one of the first time I've seen people confuse the Australian flag for the New Zealand one, usually it's the other way around. Quick tip folks: white with a 7 pointed star in the bottom-left corner = AUS, red star lacking a 7 pointed one is NZ.

good point
i should have double-checked the flag, instead of just reading the second post...
having lived in Auckland before, i feel stupid now

to the point of the topic in general, i am not sure why Kharn is $5 more than Ulrik, especially when the Deathwatch characters that just came out are $5 cheaper than Ulrik...
i wouldn't have been upset to see him at $25 rather than $35...
even at $30, i was happy to buy Ulrik...
he is a great sculpt, and a big dude...
i really enjoyed painting him, and now he is going up for sale...
Kharn should be fun to paint, too, and find a good home afterward

at the end of the day, i don't feel any need to "justify" GW's pricing decisions...
i either like the mini enough to buy it, or i don't...
if i want something enough, the price doesn't matter...
if it is an iconic character that i know will sell when painted, even better...

i totally get the complaints about price, but i don't share the outrage...
"expensive" is a sentiment i can totally agree with, but "over-priced" is very subjective...
a lot depends on where you live in the world...
if i was in Oz, NZ, or Japan, maybe i would be outraged, too...
in the US, 25% discounts are readily available, so that definitely helps...
i feel for my ROW people, and totally understand why you guys feel shafted :(

cheers
jah

In AUS he is $60! I would have prefered $88, at least GW would have had the excuse to say its fluffy otherwise I don't really understand the logic behind the price.

There isn't much logic. GW is just always fishing around to see how much someone will pay for a piece of plastic.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Nobody jumped to the defense of the admech player when the regular non character dominus came out at that price. Now its happening to you and its not fair. Everyone could have stood up for what is right and did not. Now all the clampacks are going to be like this. Its only going to get worse.

I pointed out that the Dominus was "bad" but acceptable because he came with two sprues (in effect he's only slightly worse than the Chaos Terminator Lord).

Kharn, once again, does not. He has literally half the plastic for the same cost.

As for everyone thinking "if you don't like it, don't buy it", do know that having ANYONE buy this, let alone let enough people who care so little about money as to actually buy them in enough numbers to justify it, will make GW think that it's ok to keep jacking up prices for the rest of us. They're only going to lower prices if they suddenly get warehouses full of stuff that aren't moving. That is not a hyperbole, it's been happening for the past half decade (where the insane current prices came from).

Not to defend GW, but the Dominus is an awesome model when assembled. My only complaint is that the pose is a bit limited, and you only get two heads, but man does the model look incredible when built. Not only that, he comes with a crazy amount of options for a clampack. Considering most characters get one option and that's it, it was nice to see.

It's the only clampack I ever looked at at full price and said "you know what, I'd probably buy that anyways". I'm glad I didn't, because I bought 3 Start collecting boxes a few months later, but it's the principle

I can multi quote but not entirely sure how so will ad lib a bit.
It appears that whatever price GW put on something there will always be someone who justifies it by saying...
a. Buy it online at discount. Well if the base price keeps soaring then your online price will too. Crazy reasoning.
b. The model uses more plastic than (insert similar but slightly smaller model) I don't think GW are pricing models based on raw material costs, even adding in the costs for the sculptors time and the moulds the mark up is huge.
c. Kit bash your own. Why? Why should we be priced out from new models due to GW's greed?
d. It's a few dollars (sometimes a lot of dollars) cheaper in my country. This is called pulling up the ladder, because I'm alright Jack. It could be argued that this one is due to monetary exchange rates but I believe more to do with GW's pricing policies.
e. It's such a cool model. I'd say that GW make some great models and have some of the most iconic (Kharne being one) characters in wargaming, yet this simply allows them to charge whatever they please.

I'm not a fan of the new model, I picked up the old one for £5 off ebay. However the pricing of the new one is fundamentally wrong. If it was about £10-£15 I'd have probably bought it. Whilst people still pay the prices they charge, GW will keep charging those prices (and undoubtedly keep raising them when they think they can get away with it)

Its 29€. The character models formerly released were all 23€. So this is a severe price increase.

 Elbows wrote:
There isn't much logic. GW is just always fishing around to see how much someone will pay for a piece of plastic.

"a piece of plastic"
if that is your sentiment, than i'm not surprised that expense would be a huge factor in what you are willing to buy...
the people that see their minis as nothing more than tokens, or just a piece of plastic, are in a completely different mindset from me...
i see miniatures as tiny pieces of art, that i get to bring to life with paint and basing...
they are little sculptures, rather than counters...
i'm buying a piece of art that get to assemble and paint, rather than tokens that i have to put together...

i think that difference in perspective is huge...
minis are physical representations of my favorite characters from art and fiction, which is the coolest thing...
some people collect action figures or statues, i collect minis in the same manner...

no other company produces art, fiction, and models in a setting that i enjoy as much as 40K...
Infinity is a close second, though

cheers
jah

You can wax poetic as much as you like, but it is just that, a piece of plastic.

I buy plenty of top tier gaming items because I find they are worth the money. A small piece of plastic? Not worth much, regardless of how romantic one may feel about it.

Luckily I play a number of games, not just 40K so I get to remain pretty even keeled on what I'm willing to spend on a figure. There are plenty of GW products which are priced fairly, and there are plenty which are not. The simple fact is that no other companies charge as much as GW does for certain things, namely small plastic figures. Fortunately for them they have people who buy the stuff regardless.

@Elbows: to you, sure it is just a piece of plastic...
to me, a mini is much more than that, they are art...
that is no reason to be so dismissive of my perspective...
it's not like i was saying that you are wrong, but that people have different ways of judging value...

i buy models from plenty of other companies...
i know the range of prices on the market...
i've been through 30 years of price increases, and still think that the new minis are worth the money, as long as i find the new sculpts to be an improvement on the older ones...

this last weekend i got the GW Deathwatch Watch Master, and the Knight Models Iron Man Hulkbuster armor...
the plastic Watch Master is a perfect cast, in a material that is a dream to work with, and takes paint beautifully...
the metal Hulkbuster armor is horribly cast, and needs a ton of clean-up before i can even think about painting it...
i like both models, but i look forward to working on the plastic on a whole lot more than the metal one, that's for sure...

is it just the material that bothers you, or the size???
do you put more value on a metal or resin mini, or does it just depend on how big it is vs. how much it costs???

cheers
jah

I compare them solely to other products I purchase. Some of the best miniatures I've ever purchased have been extremely reasonably priced. I can have just as much art in a miniature from a company who sells them for far less.

I've defended several GW products from a value perspective, but single figures on plastic sprues is not one of them. The material is irrelevant to me (except resin, that's a horrible material for gaming miniatures). I love metal figures as much as plastic.

I've splurged myself on the rare figure I'll spend $10-15 on (normally out of print metals from 2nd edition). I've just as good figures for $3.50 a pop though from other manufacturers for other periods (some of the best minis I've ever received from a manufacturer actually).

It's funny you mention Knight Models as they're at the top of my list for overpriced crap too. That's a discussion for another topic I'm sure.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm gonna cling onto my old Kharn for the forseeable future unless he appears in a Start Collecting! box.

I miss the old Kharnye, the metal man Kharnye
Chop up your soul Kharnye, skulls for the throne Kharnye

I hate the new Kharnye, the bad tusks Kharnye
The overpriced Kharnye, spaz on his pose Kharnye
I miss the sweet Kharnye, the can't be beat Kharnye
I gotta say, at the time I'd like to sweep with Kharnye

See I invented Kharnye, I glued together Kharnye
And now I look around there's 4 types of model Kharnye
I used to love Kharnye, I bathed in blood Kharnye
I even had the chainaxe I thought I was Kharnye

What if Kharnye played a game against Kharnye?
And he charged Kharnye, man that'd be so Kharnye
That's all it was Kharnye, we still get blood for Kharnye
And I love you like Kharnye loves Khorne-ye.

Silliness aside, I might pick up the new one but still use my good old metal Kharn. Metal just feels better in your hand, you know? I just need to have my complete Kharn collection: Metal, 30k, and new plastic. Maybe someday I'll get the finecast one just for completeness, but that's doubtful.

 Elbows wrote:
I compare them solely to other products I purchase. Some of the best miniatures I've ever purchased have been extremely reasonably priced. I can have just as much art in a miniature from a company who sells them for far less.

I've defended several GW products from a value perspective, but single figures on plastic sprues is not one of them. The material is irrelevant to me (except resin, that's a horrible material for gaming miniatures). I love metal figures as much as plastic.

I've splurged myself on the rare figure I'll spend $10-15 on (normally out of print metals from 2nd edition). I've just as good figures for $3.50 a pop though from other manufacturers for other periods (some of the best minis I've ever received from a manufacturer actually).

It's funny you mention Knight Models as they're at the top of my list for overpriced crap too. That's a discussion for another topic I'm sure.

that's fair enough, and at least explains your perspective a bit, rather than just being dismissive of mine
as long as you understand that i am not arguing that cheaper models aren't art, and even easier on the wallet...
my point has always been, as long as i like a sculpt enough, i don't sweat the price too much...
there are plenty of $10-$15 minis in my collection that i really like, and just as many expensive minis i would never buy...

the major difference between us seems to be that you are a gamer, and i am a collector...
you are looking at minis as part of an entire army, warband, or gang that you would have to buy, which can add up quickly...
then they have to survive use on the tabletop...
i'm just buying single minis to paint, enter in a competition, and then sell...
it's a completely different investment...

just like the new Ulrik, new Iron Priest, new Enginseer, new Solitaire, and new Shadowseer, i like Kharn more than the original metal versions enough to buy the plastic clampacks...
others, like the new plastic Necron Overlord, i don't like better than the previous metal one, so i passed on him...
it all depends on the particular model, not so much the price or material, except for Finecast or restic...
i don't like Finecast or restic, and stay away from it at any price...
i also prefer the heroic scale chunkiness of a GW mini over true scale delicacy of Wyrd, for instance...
at the end of the day, all that matters is that your purchases make you happy...

cheers
jah

What i find hilarious about this thread, is that Kharn is still cheaper than a large number of "requisite" character models, HQ's etc.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?Nao=0&Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102352+4294966883&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat
welcome to the party guys, named HQ's cost too much becuase you buy 1 instead of multiple boxes. same reason for hundreds of products you use in life. why does a new set of cabinets fost $25,000 to install in your kitchen, when its maybe $2000 in wood and $800 in labor? because you are never every doing it ever again. They have 1 chance, and they will grab every dime their actuaries say they can.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm gonna cling onto my old Kharn for the forseeable future unless he appears in a Start Collecting! box.

I miss the old Kharnye, the metal man Kharnye
Chop up your soul Kharnye, skulls for the throne Kharnye

I hate the new Kharnye, the bad tusks Kharnye
The overpriced Kharnye, spaz on his pose Kharnye
I miss the sweet Kharnye, the can't be beat Kharnye
I gotta say, at the time I'd like to sweep with Kharnye

See I invented Kharnye, I glued together Kharnye
And now I look around there's 4 types of model Kharnye
I used to love Kharnye, I bathed in blood Kharnye
I even had the chainaxe I thought I was Kharnye

What if Kharnye played a game against Kharnye?
And he charged Kharnye, man that'd be so Kharnye
That's all it was Kharnye, we still get blood for Kharnye
And I love you like Kharnye loves Khorne-ye.

Silliness aside, I might pick up the new one but still use my good old metal Kharn. Metal just feels better in your hand, you know? I just need to have my complete Kharn collection: Metal, 30k, and new plastic. Maybe someday I'll get the finecast one just for completeness, but that's doubtful.

Kharne started from the bottom now he's here.

Many of those other models are ridiculously expensive as well, but they arent over-posed 28mm infantry models either. People get that a single character is going to cost more than a basic putz infantryman, people didnt complain about them being 3-5x the cost of a basic putz tac marine, people have issues when the cost factor approaches 10x...for a plastic model that has really no advantage to being made in plastic.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angels-Chaplain-with-Jump-Pack
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angels-Terminator-Captain
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Tyranid-Broodlord

3 non-named characters that are approx 10x the cost of base model...

 Ashiraya wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

you mad bro?

GW has been charging ridiculous high prices but that doesnt matter because fanboys (possibly you included) will gladly pull out their wallets and pay GW with a big wide grin as if they got a bargain.

 pumaman1 wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angels-Chaplain-with-Jump-Pack
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angels-Terminator-Captain
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Tyranid-Broodlord

3 non-named characters that are approx 10x the cost of base model...

And they're almost as ridiculous, though also arent basic footslogging infantry characters either (e.g. people have always been willing to pay a bit more for a jump pack or terminator armor). Kharne isnt the first character to get the over-the-top plastic treatment, just one of the most egregious. GW's entire plastic character lineup is absurd.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

you mad bro?

GW has been charging ridiculous high prices but that doesnt matter because fanboys (possibly you included) will gladly pull out their wallets and pay GW with a big wide grin as if they got a bargain.

apparently not give declining revenue and sales volume...

 jah-joshua wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I compare them solely to other products I purchase. Some of the best miniatures I've ever purchased have been extremely reasonably priced. I can have just as much art in a miniature from a company who sells them for far less.

I've defended several GW products from a value perspective, but single figures on plastic sprues is not one of them. The material is irrelevant to me (except resin, that's a horrible material for gaming miniatures). I love metal figures as much as plastic.

I've splurged myself on the rare figure I'll spend $10-15 on (normally out of print metals from 2nd edition). I've just as good figures for $3.50 a pop though from other manufacturers for other periods (some of the best minis I've ever received from a manufacturer actually).

It's funny you mention Knight Models as they're at the top of my list for overpriced crap too. That's a discussion for another topic I'm sure.

that's fair enough, and at least explains your perspective a bit, rather than just being dismissive of mine
as long as you understand that i am not arguing that cheaper models aren't art, and even easier on the wallet...
my point has always been, as long as i like a sculpt enough, i don't sweat the price too much...
there are plenty of $10-$15 minis in my collection that i really like, and just as many expensive minis i would never buy...

the major difference between us seems to be that you are a gamer, and i am a collector...
you are looking at minis as part of an entire army, warband, or gang that you would have to buy, which can add up quickly...
then they have to survive use on the tabletop...
i'm just buying single minis to paint, enter in a competition, and then sell...
it's a completely different investment...

just like the new Ulrik, new Iron Priest, new Enginseer, new Solitaire, and new Shadowseer, i like Kharn more than the original metal versions enough to buy the plastic clampacks...
others, like the new plastic Necron Overlord, i don't like better than the previous metal one, so i passed on him...
it all depends on the particular model, not so much the price or material, except for Finecast or restic...
i don't like Finecast or restic, and stay away from it at any price...
i also prefer the heroic scale chunkiness of a GW mini over true scale delicacy of Wyrd, for instance...
at the end of the day, all that matters is that your purchases make you happy...

cheers
jah

Yep, those are two totally different approaches. I can see it being far easier if you're also selling off painted versions (wherein the initial cost can be passed onto the purchaser, as it should be). My biggest concern is not GW greed actually, but rather I used to like the company and I'd like to see them make logical, sound, business decisions which will see them continue on. Things like this smack of pride and ignoring the market and I simply view it as a very bad business decision in the long run. I don't think anyone here wants GW to tank, and they frequently take large strides in that direction. Counterpoint to my own concern is that GW has made more good decisions in the past year and a half than I've seen in the last 5-10 years.

 CadianGateTroll wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

you mad bro?

GW has been charging ridiculous high prices but that doesnt matter because fanboys (possibly you included) will gladly pull out their wallets and pay GW with a big wide grin as if they got a bargain.

People still unironically say "u mad bro"? Wow, color me impressed.

As for the body of your argument it is becoming less true year by year. You can only milk a cash cow so much before it goes dry.

£22 over here for one. Single. Model.
I dont mind the ancient one too bad, and I think it is time to dig my old one out.
On a side note, the VSG is finally making a reappearance. Now, will there be ore than eight per store this time?

For the money, let's see. Most basic Daemon and Tyranid troops are about 27.75 CAD. Some more notable characters, such as a Deathwatch Librarian, or Captain Karlean, hit about 30 to 33 CAD. Kill teams and Command Squads, as well Tau troops and Raptors are at the $35 mark, as well as Vostrayans and others. So yes, Khârn is overpriced. But at $35 CAD, he is not a shocking amount, at least, when I first saw his price, I didn't blink an eye. When I started comparing, I saw the differences, but, still, maybe it's just tax and crap.

I am glad I have Kharn safe and sound in my collection, and not in need of buying the modle at this time.

Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.

 Korinov wrote:
Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.

What did customers ever do to you?

As much as Kharn has a massive, massive nostalgia draw for me, I'm not paying £22 for a GW plastic model when I can get resin models for significantly cheaper. It's just not happening.

HiTech does have a lot of really cool stuff. I bought most of there Primarchs.

If anyone is in central wisconsin, ive got good news for you. I cancelled my preorder kharn as my flgs had him new in box for $17!!!

I felt bad, wanted to be honest, and told them he should sell for far more than the blister minis. They answered that he is cheaper than the blisters... so I guess they are set on their price. Needless to say I snapped the last one off their shelf for $17. They should be getting more soon, I guess we will see if their pricing mistake continues.

 Selym wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.

What did customers ever do to you?

Apparently by liking 40k we caused him intense anguish

TheLumberJack wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
Behold the Age of Rountree and its lower prices.

It's not a model I'm interested in, so I couldn't care less. It's made me smile however, as my HiTech winged daemon prince costed me less even with shipping included.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous pricing they get.

What did customers ever do to you?

Apparently by liking 40k we caused him intense anguish

Lol

Went ahead and looked up some currency exchange values.

So Kharn is $35 here in the US

35 US dollars = 46.07 Canadian Dollars
35 US dollars = 26.85 Pound Sterling
35 US dollars = 46.47 Australian Dollars
35 US dollars = 47.96 New Zealand Dollars

Kharn is 43 Canadian Dollars... You technically are better off than the US here

And hot damn does GW hate New Zealand and Australia.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 CadianGateTroll wrote:
GW is very smart and wise with their pricing because people will pay that price.

'It is a great idea to sell five models for $50. Who cares that we would have sold five thousand for $10. Our models are selling! We are smart and wise.'

Clearly you have the right of it. How could this plan possibly go wrong?

Nevermind that the volume of sales is declining. Clearly that is just what the haters are saying, right?

you mad bro?

GW has been charging ridiculous high prices but that doesnt matter because fanboys (possibly you included) will gladly pull out their wallets and pay GW with a big wide grin as if they got a bargain.

People still unironically say "u mad bro"? Wow, color me impressed.

As for the body of your argument it is becoming less true year by year. You can only milk a cash cow so much before it goes dry.

If you are still buying from them then they are milking your utters with cold hands.



GW be like, "My milkshakes brings all the boys to the yard, thats right! I can teach you but I have to charge."

 King Pariah wrote:
Went ahead and looked up some currency exchange values.

So Kharn is $35 here in the US

35 US dollars = 46.07 Canadian Dollars
35 US dollars = 26.85 Pound Sterling
35 US dollars = 46.47 Australian Dollars
35 US dollars = 47.96 New Zealand Dollars

Kharn is 43 Canadian Dollars... You technically are better off than the US here

And hot damn does GW hate New Zealand and Australia.

I don't know if I should be happy we finally got a set that's actually cheaper north of the border or be sad because our dollar has tanked so much that this is actually possible.

Feelings. They are much conflicted.

australia is like literally the other side of the world from GW HQ, flying takes forever so shipping cant be easy to ship there without some sort if tax...

It kills me how people still use exchange rates to compare pricing without accounting for import taxes, freight, etc.

People have and it's still insane for us here in Oz and NZ.

Yeah nz prices are way over what they should be given taxes and duties, they got further screwed when GW stopped them buying from UK sellers.

The price for Kharn is pretty ridiculous. I have no doubt GW looked at FW and what they could sell character models and said "so can we" without any regard to the differences in quality or audience.

I don't get how they can release Khârn at that price and four Khorne dudes on 40 mm bases in a greatly reduced bundle the very same month for a bit more than 50% more o.O

I know it's 40k vs AoS and a special char Marine vs some random dudes, but certainly they created Gorechosen because the models didn't sell that well on their own at their original price point?

 Binabik15 wrote:
I don't get how they can release Khârn at that price and four Khorne dudes on 40 mm bases in a greatly reduced bundle the very same month for a bit more than 50% more o.O

I know it's 40k vs AoS and a special char Marine vs some random dudes, but certainly they created Gorechosen because the models didn't sell that well on their own at their original price point?

Well, I think they want to push board games for 40k/AoS atm. Regular 40k/AoS players seem to ignore those ''bundles'' but its part of the daily business of GW.