*Update*

[Preorder: - / Release: - ]

There will be another gaming mat release

 CragHack wrote:
This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

*Original post*

[Preorder: Now / Release: October 8th 2016]

First pics of the 4'x4' Battlemat and Space Marine Strike Force Ultima army boxed set

via Spikeybits/BOLS





It is a Killteam/small game mat



Prices

*Edit* Grotorderly seems to be the original source

Genestealer Cults: Goliath / Rockgrinder - 35GBP
Neophyte Hybrid Squad - 25GBP
Genestealer Cults: Broodcoven - 37GBP
Genestealer Cults: Acolyte Iconward - 15GBP
Space Marines: Srike Force Ultima* - 150GBP
Battle Mat: City Ruins** - 50GBP

*the box contains:
1x Drop Pod
1x  Land Raider
1x Razorback
1x Stormhawk Interceptor
1x Terminator Captain
5x Sternguard Veterans
5x Terminators
10x Tactical Marines

**details:
4'x4' city fight / kill team kind of mat with ruins on it!

http://grotorderly.blogspot.de/2016/09/data-cards-are-no-more-and-battle-mat.html?m=1

zamerion wrote:
This week:
Genestealer Cults: Goliath / Rockgrinder - 35GBP
Neophyte Hybrid Squad - 25GBP
Genestealer Cults: Broodcoven - 37GBP
Genestealer Cults: Acolyte Iconward - 15GBP
Space Marines: Srike Force Ultima* - 150GBP
Battle Mat: City Ruins** - 50GBP

What material is the mat made of?

No info atm

Why oh why is this not a 6x4 mat. I would of bought it in a heart beat. Don't know if I can justify two 4x4s

4' x 4' is nice, personally I can use a smaller playing space for Kill Team and the like.

 howie wrote:
Why oh why is this not a 6x4 mat. I would of bought it in a heart beat. Don't know if I can justify two 4x4s

I read somewhere this is the first in a series. Rumor was there may be addon releases in a similiar city ruin style, and other designs, and larger mats in the not too far future. If you plan to use them for standard-40k better wait.

Thanks for that info warhams-77. I'll wait out.

 notprop wrote:
What material is the mat made of?

neoprene or something similar.

It can be ironed.

Does it come with a fine cast iron?

Yeah, the mat is from neoprene. Kinda meh though. Was expecting something similar to Sector Imperialis.

"This limited edition Citadel Ironclad (TM) will be available separately. Iron like the Emperor back then in his finest hours. Limited to 1 item per customer. While stocks last"

Better careful what we wish for...

zamerion wrote:

 notprop wrote:
What material is the mat made of?

neoprene or something similar.

It can be ironed.

Neoprene doesn't require ironing.

Ditto vinyl or card.

Cloth does......but 50 quid for a cloth mat doesn't make sense even for GW. They at least have a reputation for a decent standard of product.

Iron-on details - is that possible/desirable?


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Actually looking at the image closer, there does seem to be iron-on damage/rubble. Tidy!

More likely, it is to iron out the creases and folds before first use.

Maybe it comes with a ruin kit?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Maybe it comes with a ruin kit?

that is about the only way it would be worth it.

zamerion wrote:

 notprop wrote:
What material is the mat made of?

neoprene or something similar.

It can be ironed.

Yeah it's meant to be mouse mat material which is usually neoprene. Shouldn't need ironed and it hopefully comes in a roll rather than folded.

Looks like a great bit of scenery, but as usual it's about 30% overpriced. So I think I'll only pick this up if I see it in a clearance somewhere.

Herzlos wrote:

zamerion wrote:

 notprop wrote:
What material is the mat made of?

neoprene or something similar.

It can be ironed.

Yeah it's meant to be mouse mat material which is usually neoprene. Shouldn't need ironed and it hopefully comes in a roll rather than folded.

Looks like a great bit of scenery, but as usual it's about 30% overpriced. So I think I'll only pick this up if I see it in a clearance somewhere.

Plenty of people buy overpriced limited edition codexs with much less use than this mat.. I'm sure people will buy it.

One of the best parts about Dreadfleet was the fantastic mat, so cloth can definitely work.

It's cloth. You wouldn't want to iron neoprene, as you could end up damaging the rubber/glue and destroying it. I think if you already had a neoprene mat, a cloth mat would fit on top of it nicely (if it wasn't too translucent). You'd still get all the benefits, but wouldn't fill your house with giant rolled up mouse pads. The major concern is the price, but we can't see the box too well and it's possible that they will include some plastic terrain.

Another swing and a miss by GW. They come so close, just to not quite get it right.

My GW rep tells me it's neoprene with double stiched edge...

Cheers
Mark

That definitely makes it more tempting thanks mark

The battlemat may be of dubious value given the price but at $195 US, that Strike Force Ultima is a pretty decent savings (nearly half off and free shipping, too).

I hope they do this for other races/factions.

I'm unimpressed by the battlemat. I'm not a fan of mats with buildings on them by default, and it comes in a box.

At £50 for a 4x4 I'd expect at least a card tube or more likely a wargame mat bag.

Guess we will know more about the mat tomorrow. If its not cloth I may be tempted. The strike force looks like a good box although I'll pass for now as my unpainted pile is already way to big. Hopefully its not a splash release and we will see similar boxes for other armies.

 Breotan wrote:
The battlemat may be of dubious value given the price but at $195 US, that Strike Force Ultima is a pretty decent savings (nearly half off and free shipping, too).

I hope they do this for other races/factions.

Do we know what flavor the terminators and LR are? Not a bad little force there. Although looking at the contents, my fist thought was “That’s not 10 tac marines and 5 sternguard, <sounds of two boxes being shaken together> that’s 10 sternguard and 5 tacs!"

Thanks all who provided more info! It also went online a few minutes ago on the NZ website

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40000-Battle-Mat-City-Ruins


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And Strike Force Ultima

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Space-Marine-Strikeforce-Ultima

Thanks for the link. And to answer my own question for people who don’t want to click through, it looks like the stock LR (TLLC) and tactical terminators.

Which makes this box a little more “meh” IMHO.

What does $165NZ translate to for US prices? It definitely looks nice (though 4x4 is stupid size). If they make a 6x4 variant, I might pick it up.

SF Ultima would have been nice when I was first starting out, but now it is superfluous.

Checking the site and doing price comparison, it would be the same price as a Start Collecting! boxed set.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What does $165NZ translate to for US prices? It definitely looks nice (though 4x4 is stupid size). If they make a 6x4 variant, I might pick it up.

About US$120.

http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=165&From=NZD&To=USD

 BrookM wrote:
Checking the site and doing price comparison, it would be the same price as a Start Collecting! boxed set.

Ah, so $85 USD. Not terrible, but still overpriced. I can get a FAT mat for only a little more and it is 6x4 (yay rhyming!). Still, it does look like it is constructed very well, and the image is pretty cool.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Still, it does look like it is constructed very well, and the image is pretty cool.

Personally. I think the image is its weakest factor. How many times are you going to want to run a scenario on a bridge over lava?

If they bring out some more down the way, with less extreme settings, I might be interested.

Its a bridge/road with mud either side. The mud has tyre tracks and areas of standing water with a reflection of the sky in it.

Stormonu wrote:Another swing and a miss by GW. They come so close, just to not quite get it right.

Maybe they should be doing market research to see what people want?

That Battlemat is pretty poor. That price for a 4x4?

The picture on it is stunning ! However, it would have been better without this specific setting, I agree.

I can't seem to find the box set through the UK store, anyone else found it?

Should go up in half an hour

Yeah, I pretty much agree with what other people have said about the mat. I'm sort of in the market for a mat at the moment but I want something as neutral (in colour and layout) as possible that I can pile my scenery on top of in whatever configuration I fancy. The GW one's too bright/specific for these purposes. Personally, I feel like with mats, texture but no objects that ought to be three-dimensional is the way to go.

The most exciting thing about GW bringing in mats is hopefully we'll no longer have to play on wobbly RoB boards in the GW store.

For home use, my 2 from gamemat.eu are amazing.

 Bottle wrote:
The most exciting thing about GW bringing in mats is hopefully we'll no longer have to play on wobbly RoB boards in the GW store.

For home use, my 2 from gamemat.eu are amazing.

I've played on the plastic boards a couple of times. Not really keen on them as a playing surface.

Those gamemat ones look pretty good! In fact, the wastelands one might be exactly what I'm after.

If you're into various small model count skirmish games, or RPGs, then a battlemat like this is an excellent addition to your collection.

Granted, the design is not everybody's taste, but look at the flipside:

I'm happy to make my own terrain, and other people are happy to splash out lots of money on terrain.

But if you have neither the time or the skill to make terrain, or the money to buy some of these more expensive plastic ready made terrain pieces, then a battle mat is a good niche product.

I'm also a fan of this kind of materiel and or approach in general, because my dreadfleet gaming mat is still going strong.

Personally. I think the image is its weakest factor. How many times are you going to want to run a scenario on a bridge over lava?

Couldnt agree more. Theres something to be said for a more generic terrain map, that you can build your own scenery themes on.

From the top of my head, I can think of a number of scenarios for using that battlemat:

1) A duel between two or more characters a la Star Wars

2) The bridge being the only escape route in a scenario, and you're holding off the enemy forces for as long as possible, so the refugees can escape or something

3) Destroying the bridge to prevent an enemy escaping

4) A rescue mission: somebody fell of the bridge, landed on a piece on concrete that is slowly sinking into the lava, and you've got 6 turns to recue them or something...and the enemy is attacking...

Use a bit of imagination here


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EDIT:

Having had a look at a proper photo of the mat, complete with models, It looks better than I thought. Not perfect, but definetly 3.5/5.

The lava adds an extra element of rolling on a dangerous terrain table or something. Perfect for spicing up small skirmish games.

Could find a use for this when playing ME.

The scenarios arent the problem, all of them sound cool. The problem is after running said scenarios a few times, they are going to get old real fast :(

*sigh* It isn't lava. It is reddish colored mud. You can see the tire/tank tread marks in it.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* It isn't lava. It is reddish colored mud. You can see the tire/tank tread marks in it.

It could pass for lava. Imagination is always a vital element for the hobby

And correct me If I'm wrong, but can't Landraiders handle lava? The fluff says they can handle anything else.

I haven't got a problem with the price, as from a discounter it would end up cheaper than something from Urbanmatz or similar. I do however find it inexplicable that a 40K mat hasn't been produced in the standard size for a 40k game. Mats can be folded over, or a section ruled off for smaller games. In addition it is far too game/scenario specific for me to buy for the sci-fi games I play [Infinity and Necromunda], which seems like a missed opportunity to sell to non-GW fans.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I haven't got a problem with the price, as from a discounter it would end up cheaper than something from Urbanmatz or similar. I do however find it inexplicable that a 40K mat hasn't been produced in the standard size for a 40k game. Mats can be folded over, or a section ruled off for smaller games. In addition it is far too game/scenario specific for me to buy for the sci-fi games I play [Infinity and Necromunda], which seems like a missed opportunity to sell to non-GW fans.

4x4 is perfect for kill team games, and seeing as kill team is not long out, it makes sense from GW's point of view.

And as I and many others have said, you could use it for other sci-fi skirmish games, of which they are many.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* It isn't lava. It is reddish colored mud. You can see the tire/tank tread marks in it.

It could pass for lava. Imagination is always a vital element for the hobby

And correct me If I'm wrong, but can't Landraiders handle lava? The fluff says they can handle anything else.

They very well can, but molten lava wouldn't have tank tracks in it.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


4x4 is perfect for kill team games, and seeing as kill team is not long out, it makes sense from GW's point of view.

And as I and many others have said, you could use it for other sci-fi skirmish games, of which they are many.

I wouldn't use this for Infinity [doesn't fit the aesthetic] or Necromunda [doesn't fit the underground nature of the game]. Also, 6x4 mats can be folded or ruled off for smaller than standard games. I just find it very strange that a company would produce a game specific mat in the wrong size for standard games.

Well for a start, it's the right size for kill team, nothing odd about that. And who knows, they might be releasing a 6x4 one next month.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


4x4 is perfect for kill team games, and seeing as kill team is not long out, it makes sense from GW's point of view.

And as I and many others have said, you could use it for other sci-fi skirmish games, of which they are many.

I wouldn't use this for Infinity [doesn't fit the aesthetic] or Necromunda [doesn't fit the underground nature of the game]. Also, 6x4 mats can be folded or ruled off for smaller than standard games. I just find it very strange that a company would produce a game specific mat in the wrong size for standard games.

I'm usually the first to criticize GW's strange decisions, but I'm in a charitable mood this morning, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps we're getting the other half of the mat sometime in the future?

It might make sense then. Yes, I know it's all speculation on my part.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* It isn't lava. It is reddish colored mud. You can see the tire/tank tread marks in it.

It could pass for lava. Imagination is always a vital element for the hobby

And correct me If I'm wrong, but can't Landraiders handle lava? The fluff says they can handle anything else.

They very well can, but molten lava wouldn't have tank tracks in it.

Good point. I hate it when people are awkward

My solution: roll a D6 for it or something


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 General Kroll wrote:
Well for a start, it's the right size for kill team, nothing odd about that. And who knows, they might be releasing a 6x4 one next month.

Could be a strategy. A print on demand service with 10 battle scenes to choose from or something. Who knows?

It's all very well saying a "standard" game of 40K is on a 6x4' table, but 1. there's no mention of this in the actual rulebook, it's just an unofficial convention; 2. more people probably have a 4x4' area they can devote to gaming than a 6x4' one. Also, neoprene doesn't fold very well. Obviously, they've got to pick a size and they're not going to be able to cater to everyone with a single product, but somebody clearly decided they're more likely to sell more 4x4' mats than 6x4' ones. "GW not catering specifically to a certain segment of their market" doesn't necessarily equate to "GW are run by monkeys who will always make the worst possible business decision". Who knows, maybe they're testing the waters and there'll be different sizes down the line?

I saw the Battlemat this morning. It's pretty naff to put it frankly I think; the actual design looks really weird and tacky, and like many have said previously, its size has left much to be desired.

Your £50 would be better spent on an SC set, or 2 Bastions if you want some scenery.

The price for the mat seems in line with the other major sellers. Frontline is $75 for a 4x4, isn't available at 20% off and has high shipping.

I'm good with the price. I'm looking forward to seeing the entire line which I'm sure is coming. This one does match their bases they produced so that's a plus too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Battlemat is pretty poor. That price for a 4x4?

The price is even more hilarious on the bundle with the mat, a couple of pipes and some shipping containers.

This is probaby a follow up release of the 40k Killteam boxed game last month. It fits that mode well and allows for some easy set up matches on a living room table. After a closer inspection of the texture last night the mat allows for several interpretations scenario-wise and we will find a good use for it. I consider painting city boards a lot of work and textured mats are the easiest way to get one game-ready. It is probably cheaper to print it on paper yourself, glue the sheets onto paper-card boards and then laminate everything. But getting a texture of this quality isnt easy, and printing not cheap. In the end this is more a matter of saving time or money. I cannot await unboxing videos to check the quality.

While I'm not convinced with this one if they will release more mats - with at least 4'x6' or a second mat, matching this city style - I will consider buying a set for a standard table. Same if GW would offer this 4'x4' mat in a bargain boxed set with other stuff like Death Masque did. This with some GSC miniatures, scenery and Imperial faction X, Killteam and 40k rulebooks plus some additional scenarios would probably sell well.

There are many manufactures though who offer good city mats and they go for about 80-90 EUR including shipping.

Currently I hope this will turn out to be a financial success for GW as I think there are some places in the 40k universe who would make for interesting game mats. Horus' Battle Barge, a Necromunda-like hive sewer, Necron tomb world, Ork Megagargant or Krooza interior, Imperial flyer hangar, Eldar Craftworld dome or the Webway to list a few ideas, which afaik have not been offered by other companies.

 insaniak wrote:
The price is even more hilarious on the bundle with the mat, a couple of pipes and some shipping containers.

They are very nice pipes and shipping containers though - I've found all GW terrain looks underwhelming online, but much more impressive and larger in person.

I also get my GW stuff at 20% discount, so the prices are a little more appealing to me.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the price unless your buying it directly from GW and paying shipping.

Frontline gaming 4x4 mat is 75$
GW mat with typical online discount (20-25% off) is $61-$68.

This mat is much better quality as well. Double stitches edging means no more fraying mat edges. Higher quality neoprene means easier to iron without warping.

So the game workshop mat is both better quality and cheaper. You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

gungo wrote:
You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

I don't feel a need to complain about GW products, like you feel the need to point out people who do. Quality isn't the problem - it's more the size and the actual design on it, which I'm not a fan of at all.

I very rarely have a complaint about the quality of GW products, but I'm struggling to see this blowaway detail that the mat offers.

 General Annoyance wrote:

gungo wrote:
You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

I don't feel a need to complain about GW products, like you feel the need to point out people who do. Quality isn't the problem - it's more the size and the actual design on it, which I'm not a fan of at all.

I very rarely have a complaint about the quality of GW products, but I'm struggling to see this blowaway detail that the mat offers.

As I said there is nothing to complain about unless you don't want as much detail. The size is a typical 40k mat offering. I don't own any 4x4 neoprene myself either but every mat company offers 4x4 as well. I'm not saying you should buy it. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with the quality, price, size, or design. It's well worth the cost compared to any other mat companies similar offering.

gungo wrote:

As I said there is nothing to complain about unless you don't want as much detail.

Where is this detail though? The design looks weird the moment models are placed onto it; obviously it's a limitation of the mat, but the areas on the mat that they're trying to convey as having height or dimensions to them look very odd indeed, and adding buildings and models to the mat doesn't seem to help cover that up either.

Unless I missed it, nobody has said that there is a problem with the quality of the mat itself. It's been a question of size and design, size being the issue because only Kill Team players want an area as small as 4x4, and design for the reason above.

Yep, if the entire mat was the muddy texture and maybe one tier of foundations it would be OK - but only OK, because it's too pricey and because 4x4 is hardly ideal for 40k - but the choice to include parts of the design that are obviously meant to have height (ramps etc) makes it pretty unattractive.

This place has some nice mats. I rather like this one. http://www.tinywargames.co.uk/online-store/!/FG02-4x4-feet/p/66613285/category%3D0

I think the mat texture design is based on some older Confrontation artwork and is meant to depict the muddy ash desert around a Hive city with some streets leading through it. Not sure if these are sun/moon reflections but that's water and not lava. I cannot link to a higher-res pic atm but this isn't a bridge either. Which was my first impression it would be but it doesnt look like on closer inspection.

If it was a more neutral colour/texture (just like mud/rubble), I'd be all over this. If anything, I feel like the excessive detail on this is just going to discourage people from using enough scenery.

Love the matt, I hope they release some cool ones for AoS. Like swamps, forests and the sort.

Some excellent images there

I know the official line is the mat is mud, but having studied a few volcanoes in my time, I can tell you that lava is not this homogenous thing it can vary. With imagination, it could pass as ash waste and lava.

Years ago, we would have given our right arms for a mat like this.

Yes, use it as lava. It fits too I was wondering what GW did there and this looks more like the periphery of a city - unlike the city fight board which they released a while ago.

Put me in the boat that hopes this is just the first mat that GW produces with more designs and sizes to follow. Although I wonder where this would leave the RoB tiles. The last two sets have some nice sculpted details but there also very flat. 3D terrain is IMO one of the big advantages of hard tiles over the cheaper mats. If GW do expand there range of battle mats I could see them dropping the RoB tiles.

This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I haven't got a problem with the price, as from a discounter it would end up cheaper than something from Urbanmatz or similar. I do however find it inexplicable that a 40K mat hasn't been produced in the standard size for a 40k game. Mats can be folded over, or a section ruled off for smaller games. In addition it is far too game/scenario specific for me to buy for the sci-fi games I play [Infinity and Necromunda], which seems like a missed opportunity to sell to non-GW fans.

Who knows, maybe GW has changed and they don't want people buying so many minis now and the games are supposed to be played with small point games now.

4x4 is perfect for kill team games, and seeing as kill team is not long out, it makes sense from GW's point of view.

Lost opportunity to have this bundled with Kill Teams they released a few weeks ago then. Then it would make more sense. Now not so much.

CragHack wrote:This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

I tried clicking on play and was wondering why it wouldn't play.

I thought it looked pretty good. It's about time GW went with giant mousemats. Hopefully they'll bring out a good selection.

As it is though, the brown/red sections look like they'd never have scenery on them leaving a lot of empty space for gaming on.

And the second problem... the fact that it's 25-40% dearer than most equivalent mats.

Are 4 by 4 neoprene mats available for £30? Where from Gimgamgoo?

 CragHack wrote:
This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

Now that's lava

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

As it is though, the brown/red sections look like they'd never have scenery on them leaving a lot of empty space for gaming on.

Muddy wasteland doesn't necessarily mean empty. Ruins, fortifications, scraped or wrecked vehicles, industrial detritus(crates, pipes ect) could all fill it

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Are 4 by 4 neoprene mats available for £30? Where from Gimgamgoo?

I've always got mine from;

https://www.incomgaming.co.uk/collections/gamemat

£36. Not too bad for 4'×4'.
£50 gets you a 6'×4' one compared to GW's rrp.

If people are stocking the GW one for £40 though, I'll certainly be interested if they bring out a few designs.
I also like the Goliath. Gak... that's 2 decent GW releases I'm praising. Keep it up GW.

Thanks CragHack

Thanks for the images

This Khorne mat is even better and has a ton more potential.

It could be used as a temple interior for various skirmish games or RPGs.

It would go well with Mordheim, kill team, D & D, some other dungeon exploration.

You could have a scenario of trying to summon or raise demons, or stop a victim being sacrificed, and do on and so on....

I've got some pit fighting rules kicking around and this mat could be ideal...

Cool Khorne design. I like the way this is going.

Art quality on these is way above what I've seen for most other mats, looks worth the money for sure. I need generic mats myself so won't be getting these two but yeah they look great.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Years ago, we would have given our right arms for a mat like this.

Years ago, mats like this doesn't exist. Now there's at least 3 other companies banging out similar mats for slightly less money, that tend to be a lot more generic (I've got a ruins mat and a plains mat, that I can add almost any scenery too). I can see this one, at least, being very limiting in what you can actually play on it.

I don't doubt it'll be a high quality production, but I think it's still a swing-and-miss.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW are avoiding the really generic styles. Both mats have fairly distinctive designs that help them stand out from the crowd, as well as symbols that are GW specific(Imperial eagle and Khorne rune).

I could see myself getting one of these. However the fact they keep mentioning you can iron it is kind of weird. It looks like it is Neoprene. Can you even put a crease in neoprene? Never had any issues with my FatMat getting wrinkled or creased. Do other non-neoprene mats have a lot of problems with wrinkles and creases? I'm wondering if this is why they mention it. Hopefully it's not because they discovered the way they package it puts tons of hard to remove creases in it.

That's another nice discount for the SM army.

Claas wrote:
I could see myself getting one of these. However the fact they keep mentioning you can iron it is kind of weird. It looks like it is Neoprene. Can you even put a crease in neoprene? Never had any issues with my FatMat getting wrinkled or creased. Do other non-neoprene mats have a lot of problems with wrinkles and creases? I'm wondering if this is why they mention it. Hopefully it's not because they discovered the way they package it puts tons of hard to remove creases in it.

Well, if you can iron it out, they wouldn't be hard to remove, would they?

I really like the Khorne one, that's the kind of stuff I want to see. I'm still not sold on 4x4 seeing as they say 6x4 is the default, but I am also of the mindset that a 4x4 battlefield can work better for smaller, more "intimate" type of battles with a good story, so I don't have as much of a problem with those as others might, since that's the size game I tend to prefer.

Buildings on a mat is a big no no for me. When I get home from work I will see what the khorn one looks like.

Edit: oh. That khorn one is a lot nicer.

Now that I see minis on the map, I don't like it. As I said before, having the bridge on the map while does look good, just means you can only play the map a certain way.

I don't know, the bridge just make the map look smaller than it actually is.

gungo wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the price unless your buying it directly from GW and paying shipping.
Frontline gaming 4x4 mat is 75$
GW mat with typical online discount (20-25% off) is $61-$68.

This mat is much better quality as well. Double stitches edging means no more fraying mat edges. Higher quality neoprene means easier to iron without warping.
So the game workshop mat is both better quality and cheaper. You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

There's probably a couple of people complaining since the regional GW prices make it a lot more expensive for some. Your little corner of the world doesn't apply to everyone else, especially with the level of discount off an already-cheaper price that you're throwing around. Interesting as well that you seem to think you have any way of knowing what the quality is like without having it in hand, especially when comparing it to a second product that you also no doubt have no experience with.

gungo wrote:
You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

Well, no, I'm complaining because GW are presenting this:


...as 'An instant gaming table in one click'. Which, while technically true, is not at all a good representation of what a gaming table for Warhammer 40000 should look like. A couple of shipping containers and some pipes on a 4x4 board are nowhere near enough terrain for a reasonable game.


And the fact that it's $350 really doesn't help it any.




It's also possibly worth noting that going by that picture, the mat doesn't actually sit particularly flat (look at the edges), which isn't something that I've found from other neoprene mats currently on the market.

Mat and scenery combo is only $209

But yes, you would think they would have ironed the mat flat before taking photos of it.

EDIT: at $85 for just the mat, thats pretty steep considering Fat Mats are $75 and come with a carrying case.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Mat and scenery combo is only $209

In your part of the world maybe.

I thought $$ was only my part of the world?
EDIT: I didnt know Aussies shared the $ symbol... the more you know!!

Here I thought GW was getting better, and they pull this stunt.

During the 5th/6th ed shift, I bought a Citadel Battlemat for $25. It is 6X4, green, with a surface that feels like it is flocked but some sort of rubberized backing. I've used it for 40K, Bolt Action, WarMachine, All Quiet on the Martain Front and even Mechwarrior/Battletech, and I love it. Why in the world did they ever discontinue it?

<Edit> I think one thing they should have considered was taking top-down shots of their realms of battle board and made those mats - or possibly neopryne mats to extend the plastic tiles.

The new strike force Ultima is really a good deal:

Terminator squad: $50 USD
Stern guard: $50 USD
Storm Hawk: $56 USD
Tactical Squad: $40 USD
Land Raider: $75 USD
Razorback: $41 USD
Drop pod: $41 USD
Terminator Captain: $25 USD
Total: $376 USD not including transfers.

However, you can get this box for $250 USD and with a 30% discount, your looking at buying this set for $175, which is a HUGE deal!!! Best of all, it is a formation so if your new, this is a great starting point for anyone.

Davor wrote:
Now that I see minis on the map, I don't like it. As I said before, having the bridge on the map while does look good, just means you can only play the map a certain way.

I don't know, the bridge just make the map look smaller than it actually is.

It's not really a 'bridge' though. The way it's drawn, it's more of a roadway with a raised edge. There's no reason it couldn't be played as allowing models to move freely across it, as they would a curb.

Celestialpainting wrote:
...and with a 30% discount...

Where are you getting this discount from? I can't find better than 25%, and then only on special pre-order sales.

 Breotan wrote:

Celestialpainting wrote:
...and with a 30% discount...

Where are you getting this discount from? I can't find better than 25%, and then only on special pre-order sales.

Still, 25% off would be an insane deal. This would be a great starter set for 2014-Me. I would make use of nearly everything in it.

 Lockark wrote:
Buildings on a mat is a big no no for me. When I get home from work I will see what the khorn one looks like.

Edit: oh. That khorn one is a lot nicer.

They're not buildings but road, fortunately. It did look like a bridge in the low res pictures.

 Stormonu wrote:
During the 5th/6th ed shift, I bought a Citadel Battlemat for $25. It is 6X4, green, with a surface that feels like it is flocked but some sort of rubberized backing. I've used it for 40K, Bolt Action, WarMachine, All Quiet on the Martain Front and even Mechwarrior/Battletech, and I love it. Why in the world did they ever discontinue it?

I have one of those. Fantastic purchase.

@Breotan- I use ministomp.com, they usually have 30% off when something comes out, but only like 15% on pre-order

Celestialpainting wrote:
The new strike force Ultima is really a good deal:

Terminator squad: $50 USD
Stern guard: $50 USD
Storm Hawk: $56 USD
Tactical Squad: $40 USD
Land Raider: $75 USD
Razorback: $41 USD
Drop pod: $41 USD
Terminator Captain: $25 USD
Total: $376 USD not including transfers.

However, you can get this box for $250 USD and with a 30% discount, your looking at buying this set for $175, which is a HUGE deal!!! Best of all, it is a formation so if your new, this is a great starting point for anyone.

I wonder if this means that they are going to release bigger boxes for all armies or this is a space marine only thing.

Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:

Celestialpainting wrote:
The new strike force Ultima is really a good deal:

Terminator squad: $50 USD
Stern guard: $50 USD
Storm Hawk: $56 USD
Tactical Squad: $40 USD
Land Raider: $75 USD
Razorback: $41 USD
Drop pod: $41 USD
Terminator Captain: $25 USD
Total: $376 USD not including transfers.

However, you can get this box for $250 USD and with a 30% discount, your looking at buying this set for $175, which is a HUGE deal!!! Best of all, it is a formation so if your new, this is a great starting point for anyone.

I wonder if this means that they are going to release bigger boxes for all armies or this is a space marine only thing.

If I remember correctly there has been a history of big army boxes (normally Space Marine and a couple of others) released to try and catch the Christmas gift market.

December tends to be new model light with the main products being army boxes and new paint/ scenery collections or limited release figure cases.

I guess we'll find out when the Dec WD gets leaked.

Not overly fond of the Khornate mat, but I did quite like the City Ruins one. Could make for a really interesting game on the City mat. IoM holding back the Xenos and denying them access to the Hive.

So, GW sell 2 modular tables with the technical ability to do raised "hills" and heights, but choose to do flat design.

Now they do mats, with no possible way of doing actual structured surface/raised points, and decide to do a dramatic structured design.

My personal oppinion is that these new mats are horrible and would ruin my gaming experience. I dont see how I could build a nice setting on top without getting a really awkvard looking 2D/3D fusion.
I will give them a pass.

Yeah, scenery is gonna look awkward as hell on these. Pass.

6x6 Realm of Battle board - $330.

4x4 Battle Mat - $85.

The Battle Mat is an affordable alternative for those who can't afford a Realm of Battle board and don't want to play on a bare table.

 Ghaz wrote:
6x6 Realm of Battle board - $330.

4x4 Battle Mat - $85.

The Battle Mat is an affordable alternative for those who can't afford a Realm of Battle board and don't want to play on a bare table.

To help perspective....

You can buy secrete weapon tablescapes 6x4 that are more modular for 250$

Also its a good rule of thumb to take any GW product and discount it 30% since that's the price you can get pretty much anywhere. So really GWs 6x4 is 231$.

So same with the 4x4, sitting at about 59$.

The problem is, they got into mat making late in the game. Plenty of already established companies that do mats for a lot less

As for the 3d/2d issue, I don't get how it even is a issue. As to why people are freaked out by it. Unless your playing on a table that isn't flat at all, in any spot, scenery printed on a matt is the exact same as your table.

 Ghaz wrote:

On another note, this actually made me laugh. "Oh, and don't forget to use water in your iron!"

ruhe.bryan wrote:

On another note, this actually made me laugh. "Oh, and don't forget to use water in your iron!"

Please, that’s a Khorne map. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD IRON!

 Nevelon wrote:

ruhe.bryan wrote:

On another note, this actually made me laugh. "Oh, and don't forget to use water in your iron!"

Please, that’s a Khorne map. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD IRON!

PERMANENT PRESS FOR THE PERMANENT PRESS THRONE!

I just don't understand. As much as they charge for these things, why don't they go 1 step further and make actual textured mats?

https://www.universalrocks.com/aquarium-reptile-pet/backgrounds/versatile-flat-sheets/3-sizes

That for example is pretty high quality, but they could easily make something similar for a lower price point.

 Fayric wrote:
So, GW sell 2 modular tables with the technical ability to do raised "hills" and heights, but choose to do flat design.

Now they do mats, with no possible way of doing actual structured surface/raised points, and decide to do a dramatic structured design.

My personal oppinion is that these new mats are horrible and would ruin my gaming experience. I dont see how I could build a nice setting on top without getting a really awkvard looking 2D/3D fusion.
I will give them a pass.

This is my problem with them too. The khorn one is at least closer to what I find acceptable for these mats, but not feeling it enough to want it over the competition.

At that price point I kinda want the secret weapon board for not that much more tbh.

 Ghaz wrote:
6x6 Realm of Battle board - $330.

4x4 Battle Mat - $85.

The Battle Mat is an affordable alternative for those who can't afford a Realm of Battle board and don't want to play on a bare table.

Products exist outside of the GW bubble. You have to WANT a realm of battle board first and then not be able to afford it.