Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
I would have my hardware in my hand before I picked up a phone. And I have 911 on speed dial. That way, I can call for law enforcement while holding my Glock 10mm or Colt .45 ACP.
But when they are in my sight, the phone gets dropped so I can focus on stopping the threat.
If I don't have time to call 911 before having to engage the threat, then I call for the law afterwards (if I am able).
Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
If I'm at my hobby table, and not megashmammered, it means something regrettable is probably about to take place. My hobby table is in my bedroom, which means immediate access to a large array of weapons, ranging from pocket knives to swords to optics equipped kalashnikovs and everything in between.
That said, if I hear a window shatter, and not a door breaking...well, I'm on the top floor of my building, and if they're coming in that way, theyve probably earned something
I make a note to replace the claymore mines that just splattered the intruders across the wall (specifically reinforced and easily hosed off for this purpose) and call the police to come make a report. Don't with engineers.
Seriously though, calling the police is a pretty good start. Arming yourself and finding a defensible position is another.
Though, I really have to wonder how often strong arm robberies occur when you're awake and aware with lights on and such. A better question might have been 'you wake up to the sound of...."
I know some people (like my brother) advocate having a loaded gun in every room in the house, but I guess I don't expect to have ninjas backflipping through my front window at 6 pm.
Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
I would have my hardware in my hand before I picked up a phone. And I have 911 on speed dial. That way, I can call for law enforcement while holding my Glock 10mm or Colt .45 ACP.
But when they are in my sight, the phone gets dropped so I can focus on stopping the threat.
If I don't have time to call 911 before having to engage the threat, then I call for the law afterwards (if I am able).
I see where this thread is going,
turns out it was the cops breaking into your house because they were at the wrong location again. they see you with the gun and shoot you without warning.
Home invasion robberies are exceedingly rare, they happen but not to the level that some people prepare for. I have tons of weapons, but none are really intended for immediate self defense (mostly cool factor) except my carry revolver and some pocketknives which is mainly for when I'm out and not at home. I dont keep my swords behind doors or my AK's loaded and ready to rumble at a moments notice, and I've yet to find an appropriate shower gun
Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
Is anyone else home with me?
If not, I'd likely call the police, get my shotgun from my adjacent bedroom and barricade myself in my hobby room. This is assuming the intruders are coming into my house from the living room/garage area which would put them between me and the two exits for my house. Then I'd announce to the intruders that I have a weapon pointed at the door and that the police have been notified. After that I'd hope that they wouldn't try calling my bluff. I'd keep the 911 dispatcher on the line to record my interaction with the intruders in case I had to fire. That is if I could get through to 911. The few times I've had to call in an emergency it was difficult to initially get an operator on the line.
If my fiance is with me in the home, I'd try to get her out of the house, but depending on where we are in the house at the time of the intrusion we might both be barricaded in a room. She has a shotgun too, so yay for double firepower? Still would call the police and stay on the line if possible.
Of course if there is the opportunity to leave the house safely that would be preferable. Our house was built in the 50's and really only has a front door (living room) and back door (garage) for exits, so depending on where the action is taking place it would be pretty easy to get cut off from an escape route in my house.
Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
I would have my hardware in my hand before I picked up a phone. And I have 911 on speed dial. That way, I can call for law enforcement while holding my Glock 10mm or Colt .45 ACP.
But when they are in my sight, the phone gets dropped so I can focus on stopping the threat.
If I don't have time to call 911 before having to engage the threat, then I call for the law afterwards (if I am able).
I see where this thread is going,
turns out it was the cops breaking into your house because they were at the wrong location again. they see you with the gun and shoot you without warning.
The SOP for the SWAT guys in every jurisdiction that I know of, is to loudly and clearly announce that they are serving a warrant before making entry. "No knock" warrants are rare nowadays due to liability and instances of internet trolls "SWATting" people.
Also, a warrant entry doesn't automatically make the structure a free fire zone. If my weapon is at the ready, then they'll usually give commands. If it's pointed in their direction, then I get my ass shot. You only point your weapon when you indentify your target as a threat and intend to engage.
Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
My loaded handgun is between my hobby location, and the doorway to the main home area. Given the size of my house, there would be time to get it, and confront the intruders, but no time to make a phone call, wait for 911 to pick up, and explain the situation. I would engage the targets, and make all necessary attempts to neutralize them, with lethal force if necessary.
A number of home break ins, with the residents being shot, have occurred in my town in the last few weeks, so this has definitely been one of the those things on my mind of late.
Vaktathi wrote: Home invasion robberies are exceedingly rare, they happen but not to the level that some people prepare for. I have tons of weapons, but none are really intended for immediate self defense (mostly cool factor) except my carry revolver and some pocketknives which is mainly for when I'm out and not at home. I dont keep my swords behind doors or my AK's loaded and ready to rumble at a moments notice, and I've yet to find an appropriate shower gun
I have the same sort of set up. My weapons are locked up where the child can't get them. I do have a hammer where I can get to it quickly, but I suspect the big, scary dog will be the real deterrent.
Call 911 and release the hounds! Or in my case, hound, singular. 48lb. English Bulldog will instinctively think it's play time with new friends and proceed to jump up and slobber on them until they are no longer capable of holding anything dangerous in their slime coated hands. By that time, Chicago's finest should be on the scene and then it's a cell phone video party waiting to happen.
ok I'll play, the only window I have on the ground floor is my glass door, if they come through that they're coming in behind me. At that point there is only one thing for me to do, offer to help them carry my tv to their ride.
They have the drop on me, they out number me, they can have my stuff it's insured and I need a new computer anyways
I have a Kimber 1911 that looks just like the real thing, with all the real markings and all steel, except that it's an airsoft gun.
I could probably get away with forcing a surrender with it, if I didn't live in Britain if the intruders had any brains they'd know real guns are hard to come by if you don't live in the countryside.
The gun itself will be incredibly dangerous to be in front of with no protection though, easily enough to hospitalise someone. Whether or not I'd be accurate with it while trying not to panic, and whether I'd be taken to court for using it against intruders, even if they're carrying weapons like knives, is another story.
Luckily living in Britain, the worst kind of intruder you'd usually expect is a dumb thief who will leave traces of their presence everywhere, so I don't have any sleepless nights about what I'd do if such a scenario happens
My main concern (assuming I didn't have to worry about anybody else's safety) would just be to get out of the house and call the cops. My gak ain't worth a life. Confronting them just escalates the situation. I'd preferably just grab my cellphone and go out the window (I'm only on the second floor, and have done it before when my door handle broke.
Not that this is a particularly big thing I worry about, we don't even lock out doors here. And I could just run to one of the friendly red-necks on either side of me if I needed protection.
Well, potential home invasion is precisely why I keep a hammer by the side of my bed, but fortunately I've never had a reason to use it, and can't ever envisage a scenario where I would.
It just makes me feel secure knowing that it's there
I don't even need the hammer anymore, one of my housemates is a policeman so I would just tell him to deal with the intruder
A crazy homeless guy did wander in recently when the painters were redecorating the place, but I didn't need the hammer to remove him (or the policeman), I just gave him some change and sent him on his way
I turn all the lights off and scatter lego and upturned plugs all over the floor, along with setting up some tripwires. Shoes may protect them from my crippling traps but they probably won't have shoes on their hands and face
Two scenarios really. If I'm home alone, and if my kids are in the house.
If I'm home alone, Quickly shut the door and lock it (I upgraded all interior doors to solid wood and solid handles). After that, throw my cell phone on speaker phone with 911 on the line while I grab my Taurus Judge (loaded with PDX 5-disk self defense rounds), put on my ballistics vest (surplus clearance), take a defensive position, and aim towards the door while I make my presence known. If they want my stuff and want to see if they can beat the cops there, that's fine. If they are there for violence, well prepare to be ventilated. (each shot of those PDX rounds is equivalent to being shot 5 times simultaneously by a 9mm).
If my kids are home I'm getting to them first, weapon drawn. There will be no warning, no second guessing, and no mercy. Luckily I also have 3 .38 special revolvers hidden inside break-away panels behind the drywall hidden in strategic locations throughout the house. Been there since before I had kids, so they know nothing about the locations.
Turn my music down to listen to the soothing sounds of pit bulls enjoying their unexpected snack, hear them driven from my home, And the lamentations of their women.
Take the sawed-off shotgun out from under my desk, get the broadsword down from the wall, and show them a world of
Wait, sorry. Autocorrect's acting up. What I actually meant to type was 'poop until there's nothing left, call the cops, grab the cat, and fling myself bodily out the window'.
General Annoyance wrote: I have a Kimber 1911 that looks just like the real thing, with all the real markings and all steel, except that it's an airsoft gun.
I could probably get away with forcing a surrender with it, if I didn't live in Britain if the intruders had any brains they'd know real guns are hard to come by if you don't live in the countryside.
G.A
Ha second that, have a g17c that would look scary, also have a full steel m4 but think the would be pushing it in the realms of reality here in the U.K. Plus would need to charge the batteries for the m4 . Don't think they'd ring in advance to let me set it up.
My hobby table is in my shed. I play loud music. if a window shatters it's probably that of my shed. After that it gets cramped and probably awkward for the would be invaders as a bespectacled loony howls about how they have climbed over his work.
Well, when I saw there was a home invasion, I thought my immediate response would be the shotgun I keep in the bedroom, or one of the pistols I keep in a safe. Then I read it was as many as 5 attackers! That's more than I think i can easily handle. There is is a front and back door to my house, but it's not easy to escape without crossing one or the other - escape isn't really an option.
I can't wait for the police - it takes them at least 30 minutes to get to my house, on average. I live in a semi-rural area. No choice...
I'd have to wake up my wife, and we'd touch rings. She'd go form of... a lowlands mountain gorilla, to pummel the invaders. I'd go shape of... iceman, to freeze them into place until the authorities arrive.
Then we'd clean up the water and go back to the Hall of Justice to fill out a report in triplicate.
Considering the only window big enough for a thief to get through in the trailer is directly in front of the hobby desk where I keep my exacto blades, probably ain't gonna go well for the would be intruder.
Also, cops are a good 20 minutes out. I'm on my own and I doubt my neighbors would be much help
I only have one entrance to my home, and irts too high up to jump. I would grab my mobile slam the door to whatever room I am in and barricade it any way I can while calling for the police.
Intrusion is a priority response as it involves immediate risk to life, and there is a better chance to intercept and apprehend on an ongoing crime. My chances arent bad.
Ha second that, have a g17c that would look scary, also have a full steel m4 but think the would be pushing it in the realms of reality here in the U.K. Plus would need to charge the batteries for the m4 . Don't think they'd ring in advance to let me set it up.
I don't keep my magazines gassed or loaded either, so I think I'd be pretty screwed too
If I lived in America, I don't think the intruders would take a second look at the M249 or the P90 that's also part of the joint airsoft collection - I'm living in the wrong country
CT GAMER wrote: Why don't we rename this thread to match what it's real intention Is or what it will surely become:
"Here is my list of guns and let me tell you how badass I am":
I think all the Americans here can use this thread for that
I only own some piddly airsoft guns, and while I can hold my hand very steady, I'll never claim to be a good shot, nor will I claim I'm immune to panic.
Bonegrinder wrote: I would call the police. Then I would restrain the intruder and fart in his face till the police arrived to carry off the confused individual to jail.
Call the police, hopefully they'll arrive pretty fast since the police station is 700 meters from my apartment. Otherwise I just let them take whatever they want. It's just stuff, and it's not like I can defend myself against 2-5 guys. My most effective weapons are a hobby or kitchen knife and my briefcase full of rulebooks!
I have no hidden hand cannons or bazookas and trip mines. No knife or sword collection or ninjutsu training either.
Hell, I'd be devastated if I killed an intruder. But I guess that's a cultural difference.
Avatar 720 wrote:Reach for my phone whilst yelling all sorts of alarums, likely in a girly-screamy manner, and hope to God they lose morale.
I like it!
timetowaste85 wrote:Assume my roommate has things under control, and keep on painting!
Stone. Cold.
Spinner wrote:Take the sawed-off shotgun out from under my desk, get the broadsword down from the wall, and show them a world of
Wait, sorry. Autocorrect's acting up. What I actually meant to type was 'poop until there's nothing left, call the cops, grab the cat, and fling myself bodily out the window'.
Nice!
stanman wrote:
Nurgle wrote: Lets say you are at your hobby table or desk. You hear a window shatter and the voice of anywhere between two to five men.
What is your course of action? Would you call the police immediatly? Would you try to defend your home? Would you hide?
Grab the baby oil and slather myself down as my favorite fantasy is about happen?
...I think you'd...scare them off? Maybe?
Ouze wrote:Well, when I saw there was a home invasion, I thought my immediate response would be the shotgun I keep in the bedroom, or one of the pistols I keep in a safe. Then I read it was as many as 5 attackers! That's more than I think i can easily handle. There is is a front and back door to my house, but it's not easy to escape without crossing one or the other - escape isn't really an option.
I can't wait for the police - it takes them at least 30 minutes to get to my house, on average. I live in a semi-rural area. No choice...
I'd have to wake up my wife, and we'd touch rings. She'd go form of... a lowlands mountain gorilla, to pummel the invaders. I'd go shape of... iceman, to freeze them into place until the authorities arrive.
Then we'd clean up the water and go back to the Hall of Justice to fill out a report in triplicate.
General Annoyance wrote: If I lived in America, I don't think the intruders would take a second look at the M249 or the P90 that's also part of the joint airsoft collection - I'm living in the wrong country
If they were smart, they probably would, since almost nobody would have an M249 or FN P90. The civilian version of the FN P90 is the PS90, and it's extremely easy to tell the difference. The civilian, semi-auto version of the M249, the M249S costs around $8,000. The average American, to include the average American gun-owner, is not going to have either of them.
But, if it's a home invasion and you had no other options, I suppose it's worth a try.
If you lived in America and were concerned about home invasions, I'd recommend just buying an actual gun.
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Ouze wrote: Well, when I saw there was a home invasion, I thought my immediate response would be the shotgun I keep in the bedroom, or one of the pistols I keep in a safe. Then I read it was as many as 5 attackers! That's more than I think i can easily handle. There is is a front and back door to my house, but it's not easy to escape without crossing one or the other - escape isn't really an option.
I can't wait for the police - it takes them at least 30 minutes to get to my house, on average. I live in a semi-rural area. No choice...
I'd have to wake up my wife, and we'd touch rings. She'd go form of... a lowlands mountain gorilla, to pummel the invaders. I'd go shape of... iceman, to freeze them into place until the authorities arrive.
Then we'd clean up the water and go back to the Hall of Justice to fill out a report in triplicate.
If it was that many, I'd shift into Crinos and grab my Klaive. If was just five humans, I'd paste them easily. If it was five Black Spiral Dancers or some other kind of Wyrm-beast, I'd step sideways using my bathroom mirror, head towards the closest moon bridge to my cairn and alert my packmates.
Yeah, thankfully I live in a country with gun control, and loads of it historically, so armed crime is rare unless you're in a gang. Home invasion sort of crimes are really really rare (even in inner city London) and even if they did happen, it's unlikely the stupid 16-year old intruder is armed with anything more dangerous than what's in my kitchen/hobby area. In fact, they're probably not armed at all and just looking to get away with a laptop.
I'd see if I can see what's going on. I'd expect any burglar to run as soon as they realise the house is occupied. If it looks like it's more serious than that, barricade a door and go out through the window, along with any other occupants, then call 999.
I'd be surprised if it got any more violent than that.
ArbitorIan wrote: Yeah, thankfully I live in a country with gun control, and loads of it historically, so armed crime is rare unless you're in a gang. Home invasion sort of crimes are really really rare (even in inner city London) and even if they did happen, it's unlikely the stupid 16-year old intruder is armed with anything more dangerous than what's in my kitchen/hobby area. In fact, they're probably not armed at all and just looking to get away with a laptop.
I'd see if I can see what's going on. I'd expect any burglar to run as soon as they realise the house is occupied. If it looks like it's more serious than that, barricade a door and go out through the window, along with any other occupants, then call 999.
I'd be surprised if it got any more violent than that.
Yes, yes, what form would you take though? If you are going out the window I'd recommend frog, toad, or Mexican jumping bean.
Is the answer strip naked, run past them yodelling out of the house, start doing Yoga in the garden, then run back into the house still yodelling and then dry hump the tv?
In all fairness my windows are pretty tough. They'll take a hammering and bricks being thrown at them then showdown with some glassy double glazed ninja gak.
5 playas coming at my fenetres wouldn't even be an issue.
Mozzyfuzzy wrote: Is the answer strip naked, run past them yodelling out of the house, start doing Yoga in the garden, then run back into the house still yodelling and then dry hump the tv?
stanman wrote:
Grab the baby oil and slather myself down as my favorite fantasy is about happen?
Bonegrinder wrote:I would call the police. Then I would restrain the intruder and fart in his face till the police arrived to carry off the confused individual to jail.
Mozzyfuzzy wrote:Is the answer strip naked, run past them yodelling out of the house, start doing Yoga in the garden, then run back into the house still yodelling and then dry hump the tv?
Thread winnars right here.
Frazzled wrote:
I am in awe!
You have Dachshunds. And as a former owner of those neurotic attack sausages myself, I know that intruders would have a bad night. A Dachshund will eat your ass alive if they think you are a threat. And they attack in teams.
Had someone trying to get through my door a few years ago in the evening. Mrs. Monkey called the cops. I loaded and waited for him to breach the door, which didn't happen. Cops got there within a few minutes, but the guy was gone. Probably a drunk stumbling home. He had to first go through the enclosed porch door to get to the main door. I was really jumpy because I had ticked off some local politicians. One of them was rather unhinged. I thought they had finally come for my head.
I dont have it on file, but this one story I saved was about a hypothetical scenario of defending your home using only musket, sword, and a cannon filled with grapeshot.
Needless to say, shenanigans ensues.
If anyone can dig it up from the bowels of the internet, I would be much obliged.
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tneva82 wrote: Take phone, head for exit. Nothing worth killing so don't have gun and even if had wouldn't use one
Would your next step be to apologize and ask him about his culture You are too much like the Swedes for your own good lol.
Ha second that, have a g17c that would look scary, also have a full steel m4 but think the would be pushing it in the realms of reality here in the U.K. Plus would need to charge the batteries for the m4 . Don't think they'd ring in advance to let me set it up.
I don't keep my magazines gassed or loaded either, so I think I'd be pretty screwed too
If I lived in America, I don't think the intruders would take a second look at the M249 or the P90 that's also part of the joint airsoft collection - I'm living in the wrong country
G.A
Nice I'd love a saw, my third weapon is a l96 sniper not much use in doors but now I'm jacking the thread so il stop before getting told off lol
All my windows have bars on them.
And the doors are double, a metal bar door and a normal door.
And then there's all the wild boars running around here in the woods.
Sadly both entrances/exits are basically in the same place, so running is not a possibility.
In the time it would take them to break through I would perform a dark ritual and call some kind of thing to devour their souls. Any recomendations on hellish creatures that won't require too much payment?
Being in Britain the best we could have gone for when I was growing up was an 18" sword bayonet. But being Britain, most burglars are not expecting you to come down the stairs like a whirling dervish so would likely leg it.
If I'm in my room and the intruders break into a different room... Then I'll just stay where I am and wait for them to recoil in horror at the absolute fething mess that is the rest of the house. My landlord is a hoarder par excellence, and though there may be things worth stealing in this house, none of them are readily accessible. I figure a robber would take a look at the state of the house and figure that there's nothing worth going spelunking for in this landfill and they'd move on to somewhere else.
If they break into my room... well, that means they came in through the window. In that case, I thank them for getting it open for me, because it has been stuck since I moved in a year ago. Then I probably suggest that they try another house, as all they are going to get off me is an old PS1 that only plays when you lean it on its side, a PS2 with a missing outer case, a gakload of little plastic army mens, or a bigger gakload of *unassembled* little plastic army mens.
It pays to rob people who actually have things worth taking, is what I'm saying.
Calling the police is not an option because I can't get cell phone signal in the house, and the land line is dodgy at the best of times.
tneva82 wrote: Take phone, head for exit. Nothing worth killing so don't have gun and even if had wouldn't use one
Would your next step be to apologize and ask him about his culture You are too much like the Swedes for your own good lol.
Since door is exact opposite direction to windows i wouldn't see the guy.
Nothing there worth injuring anybody let alone kill. Since in finland we don't have shoot first mentality like america odds of getting killed in burglary is pretty close to zero.
Leave, call cops. Worst that happens is i lose some stuff but since my stuff isn't small and valuable won't be problem. Frankly thief might not even bother to take anything as it takes one guy ages to take enough to get even 3 digits worth.
Most hate to lose items would be japanese books eaah less than euro that i paid. Good luck for thief to find buyer. And for that price i can just rebuy. Aint worth killing for that
hotsauceman1 wrote: Well hmm.
I would get a fair bit of warning. Chihuahuas are are a hell of a warning.
Then, get out my sword cane and have some fun.
By 'fun' do you mean they get to re-enact this scene from RAIDERS on you?
Depends on where in the house they tried to break in... its rather massive. If they come in from the deck on the 2nd floor, I wouldn't even know probably. Same with the back of the house compared to the hobby room. But lets assume I do hear them.
Pull out the carry gun (usually keep it on me if I am alone), cell phone, and attempt to leave, preferably out the hobby room window... because its old and stock closed and really could use a replacement that I can vent the fumes out of.
But if I want to Rambo it (say because the lady is home), Carry gun, ensure the small hallway is clear, jump in the closet next to the hobby room, throw on the IIIA vest there, grab flashlight (and OC if I left the carry gun), call the popo. If front living room clear, move to bedroom off it to secure the lady, and leave through the garage (while adding at least 1 more gun to the list).
More likely is 3-5 people breaking in to cause bodily harm to me. I work in public safety and have plenty of enemies from it. In that case, gun, vest, gun safe... AR15, and hold down the fort from there. Its also a choke point and I wouldn't leave until PD was on scene. My bro-in-law also has a 12 gauge in there, but it isn't loaded, and I think the only rounds he has are slugs for the rifled barrel for deer hunting.
sparkywtf wrote: My bro-in-law also has a 12 gauge in there, but it isn't loaded, and I think the only rounds he has are slugs for the rifled barrel for deer hunting.
Damn, you could've set up a nice scene where one of the burglars bumbles in to you pointing it at him, and with a gak-eating grin you say "Oh deer" and take the shot.
I know a lot of you think it's silly to assume violence, but some of us have had pretty terrifying experiences. My wife and I lived together in SF and then Oakland during a wave of particularly horrific home invasion rapes. We've had guns pointed at us. People have tried to break into our place to commit violence against her roommate's boyfriend, and he was later stabbed in the head by a man whose defense was "Your Honor, I was on speed at the time." In SoCal, one of my Jewish friends was forced to move out of his apt in HB because a gang of skinheads tried to break in and harm him and his wife. The police stopped them, but his address was now known to them. I could tell you a few stories about where we live now...
First time, I went downstairs, unarmed, and asked why they were there. It confused them a lot.
They told me the broken paint and mess on the floor wasn't their doing. I told them that was fine, I'd sort it.
After a long awkward pause, I held the front door open and they left, and I locked it.
Then I sat locked in the bathroom with the tiny slide latch, and put my head on my knees until the police were beaten home by my parents.
sparkywtf wrote: My bro-in-law also has a 12 gauge in there, but it isn't loaded, and I think the only rounds he has are slugs for the rifled barrel for deer hunting.
Damn, you could've set up a nice scene where one of the burglars bumbles in to you pointing it at him, and with a gak-eating grin you say "Oh deer" and take the shot.
I didn't even think of that! Time to go load it up, just in case the chance to make a pun comes up.
Hope for more than 5, so I would have an excuse to use the 18 inch sword bayonet? Truth be told, anybody who breaks in through a window is probably going to knock over a book case,the pile of books and unpainted miniatures that falls on them as a result should do the trick.
I live in a 750 sq. foot house thats falling apart on a street with 3 billionares. Someone breaks into my house, its for practice.
Realistically, I'd hand out at the top of my wrap around stairs, and plug them with my .45 if they tried to come up. Unless my son is at my house (his bedroom is on the bottom floor), I have no reason to go down, there is nothing of value to be found there.
I have my loaded AR in my hobby room, but my bullpup SKS is right next to it and might be better for CQB but only has 10 shots. Much bigger shots granted than the AR for 25 shots. But if I need that many than this is not a simple home invasion. Once locked and loaded call 911. Got a 20 minute response time out here, so prep for me comes first.
djones520 wrote: A number of home break ins, with the residents being shot, have occurred in my town in the last few weeks, so this has definitely been one of the those things on my mind of late.
I can't help but think that getting the feth out of there would be more likely to prevent another occurrence of that than hanging around to engage the intruders in a firefight...
tneva82 wrote: Take phone, head for exit. Nothing worth killing so don't have gun and even if had wouldn't use one
Pretty much this. I have a bit of stuff that would be upsetting to lose, but nothing important enough to warrant potentially getting involved in a shooting match and/or killing anyone over. It's just stuff.
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote: I live in a 750 sq. foot house thats falling apart on a street with 3 billionares. Someone breaks into my house, its for practice..
Also this. We're in easily the shoddiest-looking house in the neighbourhood. Too many more attractive targets for anyone to bother with us.
Although if anyone did, their biggest worry would probably be the cat... She's a cranky old bitch, and doesn't like people much. She had my brother bailed up in the hallway for 20 minutes once when he was over feeding her while we were away... and she knows him. God help anyone else who disturbs her when she's in a bad mood. Which is, you know, most of the time...
insaniak wrote: Pretty much this. I have a bit of stuff that would be upsetting to lose, but nothing important enough to warrant potentially getting involved in a shooting match and/or killing anyone over. It's just stuff. .
I don't think you understand what this thread is for at all. It's supposed to be about airing your legally justifiable murder fantasies.
It's the wrong premise setting up the discussion, then. Should have gone with 'Some guy wanders up mid-game and picks up one of your miniatures... what do you do?'
Because then there's some medieval gak going down...
insaniak wrote: Pretty much this. I have a bit of stuff that would be upsetting to lose, but nothing important enough to warrant potentially getting involved in a shooting match and/or killing anyone over. It's just stuff. .
I don't think you understand what this thread is for at all. It's supposed to be about airing your legally justifiable murder fantasies.
Well luckily in Finland simply breaking in isn't permission for the other guy to start shooting down(no wonder our murder rate is only small partion of USA. Safety rocks!). You gun down intruder and if you cannot prove your or other life WAS in serious danger(heaven forbid for example if they don't carry gun. Not that unlikely scenario here since we don't have gung-ho shoot'em'up culture here to create arms race between people and burglars) you will be charged with manslaughter.
If I'm honest, I'd probably be well and truly screwed if the OP's scenario happened. The only weapons I own are a single airsoft handgun (which I don't keep loaded), and a couple of pretty nasty (but short-bladed) knives. My options would be to hide and call the cops (not a lot of places to hide my 330+ pound self in my small apartment though), or try to bolt (again, due to my weight I probably wouldn't get far). If escape was impossible, I would be prepared to go down fighting, hopefully taking at least one assailant down with me in what would be sure to be a short and bloody fight. If I somehow won against all odds, I'd have a lot of explaining to do for the cops as to why one or more men are dead from stab wounds and/or slit throats in my apartment...
I'm far more worried about being mugged on the street at night on the way home from work, though, as I have to walk due to lack of other transportation. For this reason, I always carry a knife in my pocket. I'm probably dead if I end up in a situation where I need it, but I still feel safer having it.
A sailor budy of mine was moonlighting as a musician, so of course he was taking all sorts of drugs. one night while high on acid he walks into someones house totally naked, and just sits on their recliner and starts looking for the remote. As the details came from him and he was in no shape to remember much, I'm not sure how the people reacted, but cops were called. It's a good thing it happened in california where they banned guns
so he tells the cops he's high on acid, they arrest him, and the navy gives him a drug test the next day. He passes the drug test, and takes that to the judge to get the drug charges dropped saying he was really just drunk, not high and the charges were dropped
so I guess the lesson here is you don't always have to go for your gun first, you might just save the life of one of our millitary heroes
insaniak wrote: Pretty much this. I have a bit of stuff that would be upsetting to lose, but nothing important enough to warrant potentially getting involved in a shooting match and/or killing anyone over. It's just stuff. .
I don't think you understand what this thread is for at all. It's supposed to be about airing your legally justifiable murder fantasies.
Well luckily in Finland simply breaking in isn't permission for the other guy to start shooting down(no wonder our murder rate is only small partion of USA. Safety rocks!). You gun down intruder and if you cannot prove your or other life WAS in serious danger(heaven forbid for example if they don't carry gun. Not that unlikely scenario here since we don't have gung-ho shoot'em'up culture here to create arms race between people and burglars) you will be charged with manslaughter.
Say it ain't so! I just realized I'm posting in a troll thread.
insaniak wrote: Pretty much this. I have a bit of stuff that would be upsetting to lose, but nothing important enough to warrant potentially getting involved in a shooting match and/or killing anyone over. It's just stuff. .
I don't think you understand what this thread is for at all. It's supposed to be about airing your legally justifiable murder fantasies.
Well luckily in Finland simply breaking in isn't permission for the other guy to start shooting down(no wonder our murder rate is only small partion of USA. Safety rocks!). You gun down intruder and if you cannot prove your or other life WAS in serious danger(heaven forbid for example if they don't carry gun. Not that unlikely scenario here since we don't have gung-ho shoot'em'up culture here to create arms race between people and burglars) you will be charged with manslaughter.
I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
Matt Best and crew are great, as is the Ranger Up crew (the two made the Range 15 movie).
I have one of the Palmetto State Defense Range 15 rifles (spoiler for language):
Spoiler:
I live in a rural area. To get onto my property you've gone through at least one locked gate or a barbed wire fence, then walked a few hundred yards to get to the house. In the OP's scenario, it would depend on daughter home or not/where in the house she was. Regardless, the dogs (two rat dogs and 4 decent sized dogs) probably delay anyone coming in, and based on how I hear them being handled lets me know if the intruders are armed.
First step is getting daughter safe, and if she is downstairs watching TV that likely means confronting the intruders as I am. If she is upstairs she'll go to a place she is reasonably safe and I'll go upstairs. No one else will get up the stair case. Once I'm sure daughter is secure and I have the staircase secured there is time to call for help.
Matt Best and crew are great, as is the Ranger Up crew (the two made the Range 15 movie).
I have one of the Palmetto State Defense Range 15 rifles (spoiler for language):
Spoiler:
I live in a rural area. To get onto my property you've gone through at least one locked gate or a barbed wire fence, then walked a few hundred yards to get to the house. In the OP's scenario, it would depend on daughter home or not/where in the house she was. Regardless, the dogs (two rat dogs and 4 decent sized dogs) probably delay anyone coming in, and based on how I hear them being handled lets me know if the intruders are armed.
First step is getting daughter safe, and if she is downstairs watching TV that likely means confronting the intruders as I am. If she is upstairs she'll go to a place she is reasonably safe and I'll go upstairs. No one else will get up the stair case. Once I'm sure daughter is secure and I have the staircase secured there is time to call for help.
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
USA murder rate is comparable to most of the westernized nations a tad slightly higher...Something to consider though is Mexico - it has one of the highest murder rates is the world. We have a massive boarder with them - safe to assume some murders are getting through...in the drug trade mostly.
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
USA murder rate is comparable to most of the westernized nations a tad slightly higher...Something to consider though is Mexico - it has one of the highest murder rates is the world. We have a massive boarder with them - safe to assume some murders are getting through...in the drug trade mostly.
no, just no
most of the murders are from disgruntled white people, they have this insane idea that "murder suicide" is an achievable life goal.
but nice try, the but were slightly better than a 3rd world nation defense never flies.
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
USA murder rate is comparable to most of the westernized nations a tad slightly higher...Something to consider though is Mexico - it has one of the highest murder rates is the world. We have a massive boarder with them - safe to assume some murders are getting through...in the drug trade mostly.
no, just no
most of the murders are from disgruntled white people, they have this insane idea that "murder suicide" is an achievable life goal.
but nice try, the but were slightly better than a 3rd world nation defense never flies.
Okay so you are just making stuff up now. The murders you are referring to are actually a very small source of total murders.
Just a general post here to point out that we're turning a "What would you do if your house was being broken into whilst you were inside?" thread, which until now has been surprisingly stable, into yet another "GUNS! CRIME! AMERICA! RARGH!" thread that inevitably ends only one way.
If anyone who wants to discuss that sort of stuff could please take it somewhere else or simply ignore anyone trying to derail the thread, that'd be great, because seeing threads locked due to people who can't stick the topic and/or can't control their reply impulses and tempers is really getting old.
I'd turn up the big haired 80's rock, pick up my hobby knife and pretend to be Steven Seagal. For about 15 seconds until I remembered how crap I am at knife throwing...
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
I'm getting the impression that your conception of America is basically a cartoon where everyone dresses like Yosemite Sam and greets each other by saying "Hey, Tex!"
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
USA murder rate is comparable to most of the westernized nations a tad slightly higher...Something to consider though is Mexico - it has one of the highest murder rates is the world. We have a massive boarder with them - safe to assume some murders are getting through...in the drug trade mostly.
no, just no
most of the murders are from disgruntled white people, they have this insane idea that "murder suicide" is an achievable life goal.
but nice try, the but were slightly better than a 3rd world nation defense never flies.
Yeah man those white people who are minorities but do so many more crimes than any other race
JamesY wrote: I'd turn up the big haired 80's rock, pick up my hobby knife and pretend to be Steven Seagal. For about 15 seconds until I remembered how crap I am at knife throwing...
Hair bands are a good choice. Or something classically kick ass like this:
Nurgle wrote: I think the murder rate in your country has less to do with lack of legal firearms in Finland and more to do with the culture of your nation. If some robber comes into my home, that to me says he is someone who wishes to cause harm to my family and that is all the go-ahead I need before I rip him a new kebab hole.
Third Ward Houston brosef, teaches you lessons.
Which has no connection at all to the gung-ho shoot'em'up attitude in your country? Robbers know they can get shot=they will bring guns and are bound to shoot.
In Finland robber has no real reason to expect getting shot and killed so he's less likely to feel the need to kill either as that adds serious crime charge in case he gets caught. Not worth it.
You have created arms race and now pay up the price with ridiculously high murder rate for "civilized" country.
And it's not like it's impossible to have gun in Finland either. We just don't feel need to arm everybody with assault rifles. Guess we appreciate human life more than lethal toys.
Of course if it makes you feel better we can conclude that USA people are just genetically incapable of having low murder rate Me I'm not fan of blaming everything on genetics and prefer culture as explanation and in culture the big difference is the constant arm race and willingness to use that fuels the mutual "shoot'em'up" mentality.
USA murder rate is comparable to most of the westernized nations a tad slightly higher...Something to consider though is Mexico - it has one of the highest murder rates is the world. We have a massive boarder with them - safe to assume some murders are getting through...in the drug trade mostly.
no, just no
most of the murders are from disgruntled white people, they have this insane idea that "murder suicide" is an achievable life goal.
but nice try, the but were slightly better than a 3rd world nation defense never flies.
Yeah man those white people who are minorities but do so many more crimes than any other race
oh wait
Yes, and you all completely missed the point.
white murderers > people murdered by mexicans in the drug trade. people murdered in the drug trade is so low it contributes almost nothing to the murder rate. White on white crime is so horrific that it's never even talked about.
My hobby table is in the basement, same with most of my stuff I care about, only way to break in is through the upstairs. I have a handgun stashed away by my hobby table so I'll fetch that and call the police. If they start to head down stairs I'll inform them that I am on the phone with the police and that I am armed and will use any means necessary to protect myself.
I'd quietly sneak into my hallway and release the catch to the Wolfman's cell, retreat to my panic room, bar the door, put on ear defenders and think happy thoughts.
with engineers.
