Makes sense for Magnus to be that big tbh. He is basically an Exalted Daemon Prince after all. Not exactly a pushover. I like how they've put all the ports for his power armour on there, as a reminder of what he was before he ascended.
No comments on the Grav Tanks yet? I'm glad that one is marked "Experimental" because 195 points for an AV 13, fast skimmer with flare shields and an Instant Death S7 AP4 Autocannon is borken as ! Oh, and -2 to hit in melee? And it has Machine Spirit? Bleh!
The Grav Rhino looks pretty interesting. not sure about the underslung guns though.
Other pictures are showing Terminator Custodians, and it looks like the Stormsurge is getting a new shoulder mounted gun.
Gotta love Forge World Open Day (Not 40K open day)!
I really hate how GW has no idea of what wolves actually look like, their heads and mouths are always extended in ways that would dislocate the jaw of the wolf. Wolves don't swallow their prey by dislocating their jaws like constrictor snakes do!
Ragnar69 wrote:must be a 3-up, it's way to huge for 40k
What is a 3-up? I don't have a clue. Yes I know as always.
In miniature and model making, the original master figure is frequently sculpted at several times the size of the finished for sale product. This makes it easier to work with, and get fine details on it. Then the molds are made to the reduced size. For an example, you can see the Land Raider article in Index Apocrypha. The then new, now current, Land Raider kit was mastered at twice its final size, with some details three times, like the weapons. They were then pantographed down to the kit we have today.
So people were thinking the very large Magnus may have been an oversized master, and the small one the production piece. Which is not the case, according to sources.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I really hate how GW has no idea of what wolves actually look like, their heads and mouths are always extended in ways that would dislocate the jaw of the wolf. Wolves don't swallow their prey by dislocating their jaws like constrictor snakes do!
Those are giant Fenrisian wolves, they're not supposed to have much in common with real Terran wolves
MadCowCrazy wrote: I really hate how GW has no idea of what wolves actually look like, their heads and mouths are always extended in ways that would dislocate the jaw of the wolf. Wolves don't swallow their prey by dislocating their jaws like constrictor snakes do!
Those are giant Fenrisian wolves, they're not supposed to have much in common with real Terran wolves
As I've often said, all the post hoc justification in the world doesn't help if it just straight up looks wrong.
If they're supposed to be wolf like aliens (which, given convergent evolution, isn't utterly impossible) or are some sort of mutant Legionaries then they need to look different enough that any deviation from the very familiar, most of us know what a wolf is supposed to look like, isn't jarring. If you make then basically wolves but then give them some sort of element which is just a bit off, it just looks like a failure on the part of the sculptor.
Basically, if you're going to subvert any well known trope, you need to do so sufficiently to make it look deliberate, and not just a failure of imitation. It doesn't help that this instance means it doesn't work mechanically, the wolf wouldn't actually be able to close its jaws flush, which compounds the issue.
RoboDragon wrote: Magnus looks fantastic. Any more bits of info on the Thousand sons?
Rubrics in plastic were confirmed by GW. Probably Rubric Terminators and a 40k Ahriman as well, rumored by Sad Panda (in a cryptic way).
I'm very carefull with the following rumor, but I appreciate he has posted it
Sonoftherubric21 - B&C - today
So a Gentlemen on Facebook (I wont post the name out of respect) Who had some reliable information in the past posted a supposed "Release list" for December.
Daemon Primarch Magnus
Plastic 40k Ahriman
Plastic Rubric marines
Plastic Rubric terminators
40k Tzaangors (bizarre but asked twice regarding this)
Sorcerer Cabal (Not sure if new models or re-packaging)
and at the end of december; Plastic Canoness for Sisters of Battle.....
The books are supposedly War Zone Fenris 2
Traitor Legions (not known if a rules book, an art book)
supposedly 8 mega force bundles in december between 40k and AOS (even split)
- Take with salt I suppose, but the guy has been fairly open regarding stuff in the past -
I would imagine the Terminators and Rubric plastics are Duel-kits. (complete guess on my part) Will be interesting to see if/how this pans out! (to say nothing of the sisters as well)
Edit; in hind sight it does all kind of make sense. Plastic Ahriman (or plastic generic sorcerers) all make sense from a logical standpoint as a gap GW needs to fill to get rid of finecast. and the Tzaangors and rubrics do fall along with the Sad Panda rumors as well.
Minus the book issue, though i suppose just tossing a faction list into War Zone Fenris 2 is just fine, every founding chapter of the loyalists has a decurion of its own and rules from a campaign, no reason to think that Thousand Sons or other Traitor legions wont also get them eventually.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I really hate how GW has no idea of what wolves actually look like, their heads and mouths are always extended in ways that would dislocate the jaw of the wolf. Wolves don't swallow their prey by dislocating their jaws like constrictor snakes do!
Ragnar69 wrote:must be a 3-up, it's way to huge for 40k
What is a 3-up? I don't have a clue. Yes I know as always.
In miniature and model making, the original master figure is frequently sculpted at several times the size of the finished for sale product. This makes it easier to work with, and get fine details on it. Then the molds are made to the reduced size. For an example, you can see the Land Raider article in Index Apocrypha. The then new, now current, Land Raider kit was mastered at twice its final size, with some details three times, like the weapons. They were then pantographed down to the kit we have today.
So people were thinking the very large Magnus may have been an oversized master, and the small one the production piece. Which is not the case, according to sources.
Thank you very much. Greatly appreciate the explanation.
- No other Sisters of Silence have been worked on yet. They wanted to see how popular the first set were.
- Resin upgrades for the plastic Custodes will get done, similiar to the Secutarii ones. Also more vehicles.
- The Custodes will get an army list equivalent to the Solar Auxilia.
- Talons of the Emperor armylist. You will be able to do a pure Sister list or pure Custodes list or mix.
- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
- Jenetia Krole, Valdor and Ahriman will get rules in Inferno!
- Thousand Sons will have scalable psychic powers.
- Inferno is biggest book yet by 8 pages.
- Inferno should be ready for pre-release February the 4th!
- Next Black Book will feature Blood Angels and Dark Angels.
- Daemon Magnus seems to have an alternate head and a sword option!
- "Squats are NEVER being done. Ever. You will see fishman in space before Squats. And there is no love for fishmans in space :("
- No other Sisters of Silence have been worked on yet. They wanted to see how popular the first set were.
So they make rules for Sisters units and characters, and (will) put them in an army list(s), and they go full ham with Custodes models without knowing how popular they'll be, but hold off on Sisters models?
Sound like another 'No, we're not going to make a Heresy line. These older armour and vehicle marks are just for the Badab books. Honest' to me.
Don't like Magnus and huuuuge models in general, but mote Tzaangors would be great, new Termis might make decent conversion bases for my WBs and a plastic SoB char, let alone an army, would make me ecstatic (as long as they're as cool as classic sisters).
Sister-Commander Jenetia Krole - Jenetia Krole was the mistress of the Raptor Guard and one of the Emperor’s personal battle confidantes, as well as the highest-ranking Sister of Silence during the early days of the Horus Heresy.
Large Magnus is the main figure , small one is a 3D print color test , another cabinet had bare plastic version in. Plastic Ahriman was in the cabinet next to Magnus.
Kirasu wrote: Ugh, so the pre-release for book 7 is in february? What about a general release?
It will be February too. Assuming they didn't mean pre-order February 4th (I'm not sure when the February event is), books are never long after the event they're pre-released at. Tempest was released on the Monday after the event, and mine was delivered on the Thursday.
TwilightSparkles wrote: Large Magnus is the main figure , small one is a 3D print color test , another cabinet had bare plastic version in. Plastic Ahriman was in the cabinet next to Magnus.
As in the BoP one or the one rumoured for release?
Further confirmation of the big Magnus being the one slated for release; the photograph of the discarded box that started all these rumours originally clearly shows the big one as the cover image.
Quite aside from it being non-sensical from a production PoV to use the wrong mini to test the box layout, it would also be illegal if sold like that.
So people are saying the Ahriman in this thread is the new plastic one? He looks identical to the metal one. Kharn changed quite a bit. Why would they make a carbon copy of Ahriman?
- "Squats are NEVER being done. Ever. You will see fishman in space before Squats. And there is no love for fishmans in space :("
So is this confirmation that Squats are being done? I mean Fishmans in Space, are they not Tau? I see a lot of people saying Tau are fish on land. So since we already have it, does it mean Squats are done and just waiting for a release?
- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
- Thousand Sons will have scalable psychic powers.
- Inferno should be ready for pre-release February the 4th!
- "Squats are NEVER being done. Ever. You will see fishman in space before Squats. And there is no love for fishmans in space :("
Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Scalable psychic powers are awesome.
Only Feb??? Damn
Why do people keep hope on squats?
Davor wrote:So is this confirmation that Squats are being done? I mean Fishmans in Space, are they not Tau? I see a lot of people saying Tau are fish on land. So since we already have it, does it mean Squats are done and just waiting for a release?
- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
- Thousand Sons will have scalable psychic powers.
- Inferno should be ready for pre-release February the 4th!
- "Squats are NEVER being done. Ever. You will see fishman in space before Squats. And there is no love for fishmans in space :("
Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Scalable psychic powers are awesome.
Only Feb??? Damn
Why do people keep hope on squats?
Davor wrote:So is this confirmation that Squats are being done? I mean Fishmans in Space, are they not Tau? I see a lot of people saying Tau are fish on land. So since we already have it, does it mean Squats are done and just waiting for a release?
Tau aren't fish.
Space Sharks though I for one would love to see a race of Space Octopi. Technically they aren't fish either, but feth it, I want an army of Cthulu.
- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Because Custodes aren't super-marines. They are prototype Primarchs.
Consider, a Space Marine is an ordinary human surgically implanted with cultured organs that mess with his biochemistry to make them super-human in many ways. Those organs can reproduce themselves but an individual marine, assuming all the hormonal messing around even leaves them fertile, would produce nothing more or less than a normal human child if he mated with a human woman and didn't accidentally kill her.
A Primarch, on the other hand, is a wholly engineered being, built from the ground (or indeed, if Magnus is to be believed, the very soul) upwards to be exactly what they are. They may or may not be "fertile" but their entire species is male, assuming they are even all the same species as each other.
The Marine project was stabilised by donations from the Primarchs, which is why the Legions all have characters that match their donor which at a minimum means they were completed after the start of the Primarch project.
So how did the Emperor create the Custodes? Same way he created the Primarchs but on a much reduced scale. I reckon they are similarly wholly engineered and thus a separate species of their own, unable to self replicate because the Emperor never gave them the means. They may be "immortal" in that they don't age but I bet the Emperor never left any notes on how to make more to replace combat losses.
I bet they're resource intensive to spawn too, like needing special nutrients and daily care in the vat to mature properly.
Which goes back to why the Marine project was started in the first place: the Emperor couldn't make enough Custodes fast enough to win a war for control of Earth so he made (or commissioned; there are several things that suggest that at least some of the work on it was not His own) the Marine implants to quickly generate an overwhelming, easily replaceable force from the masses of humans that were just running around outside the lab.
Davor wrote: I mean Fishmans in Space, are they not Tau? I see a lot of people saying Tau are fish on land.
Tau are not fish. The fish names for their units are Imperial code names, much like how NATO had their own names for all the Soviet tanks/aircraft/etc.
Davor wrote: I mean Fishmans in Space, are they not Tau? I see a lot of people saying Tau are fish on land.
Tau are not fish. The fish names for their units are Imperial code names, much like how NATO had their own names for all the Soviet tanks/aircraft/etc.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Sword is in the first image Ghaz posted, Center sprue near the bottom.
So it is. Not sure how I missed that one. Still can't see a different head, but its hard to tell without being able to see both sides of the sprues.
And now that I see them off the sprue, I can see them on the sprue as well. Right next to the gigantic sword I missed earlier. I'm going to go hang my head in shame now.
Vector Strike wrote: Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Same reason why Emperor did not create armies of primarch? Too time consuming to create enough custodes to take over the galaxy. Space marines are mass production stuff.
Man, I love the turret of that hover tank! So sweet... would love if they'd sell it separately (seems unlikely, though).
That dreadnought (Contemptor?) model is really awesome, too!
But Magnus has to be my least favorite 40k model in the last year... looks terrible to me, and even worse given that it's so large with so little detail (imo).
MajorTom11 wrote: Now that we have had a closer look at this massive model, I like most of it, but the cybernetics randomly in the arms... WHY? Ugh design choice imho
Because he is/was a Space Marine and still has his power armour interfaces/black carapace. I think it's a nice callback to his origins.
MajorTom11 wrote: Now that we have had a closer look at this massive model, I like most of it, but the cybernetics randomly in the arms... WHY? Ugh design choice imho
Because he is/was a Space Marine and still has his power armour interfaces/black carapace. I think it's a nice callback to his origins.
Ummm... he isn't a space marine, he's a primarch, they did not come out of the same process and as far as I know.. And interfaces and black carapace I could live with, it is the bicep being apparently complete cyber cabling under the skin that makes no sense to me. Also, Daemon Princi'ing used to mean a bit more than wings and bird feet, would have liked to see a bit more tzeentch in his DNA but again, it is just my preference...
Mr_Rose wrote: Further confirmation of the big Magnus being the one slated for release; the photograph of the discarded box that started all these rumours originally clearly shows the big one as the cover image.
Quite aside from it being non-sensical from a production PoV to use the wrong mini to test the box layout, it would also be illegal if sold like that.
I don't think anyone was actually questioning this...
SickSix wrote: Well Magnus is a modelling marvel. The size, the detail, the magnificence of him.
And thank god the horns don't actually cover his eyes!
The Custodes Dread is super sexy!
Designed by Matt Holland of new tau and plastic Thunderwolves fame.
As a weird aside, my favourite GW designer is Alex hedstrom. I have not seen his name attached to any products in the last couple of years so I asked Darren Latham on Twitter if he is still with the company. I was assured that he is. He previously designed the whole space hulk boxed game by himself, so it is safe to assume that he is working on something big.
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
Davor wrote: I mean Fishmans in Space, are they not Tau? I see a lot of people saying Tau are fish on land.
Tau are not fish. The fish names for their units are Imperial code names, much like how NATO had their own names for all the Soviet tanks/aircraft/etc.
Tau have hooves. Presumably, they chew of the cud.
Man, I love the turret of that hover tank! So sweet... would love if they'd sell it separately (seems unlikely, though).
That dreadnought (Contemptor?) model is really awesome, too!
But Magnus has to be my least favorite 40k model in the last year... looks terrible to me, and even worse given that it's so large with so little detail (imo).
those hover tanks are sexy
are you sure Magnus has little detail???
his armor and wings look to be dripping in detail...
I know what i'm getting for Christmas
Because Custodes aren't super-marines. They are prototype Primarchs.
Consider, a Space Marine is an ordinary human surgically implanted with cultured organs that mess with his biochemistry to make them super-human in many ways. Those organs can reproduce themselves but an individual marine, assuming all the hormonal messing around even leaves them fertile, would produce nothing more or less than a normal human child if he mated with a human woman and didn't accidentally kill her.
A Primarch, on the other hand, is a wholly engineered being, built from the ground (or indeed, if Magnus is to be believed, the very soul) upwards to be exactly what they are. They may or may not be "fertile" but their entire species is male, assuming they are even all the same species as each other.
The Marine project was stabilised by donations from the Primarchs, which is why the Legions all have characters that match their donor which at a minimum means they were completed after the start of the Primarch project.
So how did the Emperor create the Custodes? Same way he created the Primarchs but on a much reduced scale. I reckon they are similarly wholly engineered and thus a separate species of their own, unable to self replicate because the Emperor never gave them the means. They may be "immortal" in that they don't age but I bet the Emperor never left any notes on how to make more to replace combat losses.
I bet they're resource intensive to spawn too, like needing special nutrients and daily care in the vat to mature properly.
Which goes back to why the Marine project was started in the first place: the Emperor couldn't make enough Custodes fast enough to win a war for control of Earth so he made (or commissioned; there are several things that suggest that at least some of the work on it was not His own) the Marine implants to quickly generate an overwhelming, easily replaceable force from the masses of humans that were just running around outside the lab.
Beta-test Primarchs... never thought on that angle. Thanks for the info.
- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Because Custodes aren't super-marines. They are prototype Primarchs.
Consider, a Space Marine is an ordinary human surgically implanted with cultured organs that mess with his biochemistry to make them super-human in many ways. Those organs can reproduce themselves but an individual marine, assuming all the hormonal messing around even leaves them fertile, would produce nothing more or less than a normal human child if he mated with a human woman and didn't accidentally kill her.
A Primarch, on the other hand, is a wholly engineered being, built from the ground (or indeed, if Magnus is to be believed, the very soul) upwards to be exactly what they are. They may or may not be "fertile" but their entire species is male, assuming they are even all the same species as each other.
The Marine project was stabilised by donations from the Primarchs, which is why the Legions all have characters that match their donor which at a minimum means they were completed after the start of the Primarch project.
So how did the Emperor create the Custodes? Same way he created the Primarchs but on a much reduced scale. I reckon they are similarly wholly engineered and thus a separate species of their own, unable to self replicate because the Emperor never gave them the means. They may be "immortal" in that they don't age but I bet the Emperor never left any notes on how to make more to replace combat losses.
I bet they're resource intensive to spawn too, like needing special nutrients and daily care in the vat to mature properly.
Which goes back to why the Marine project was started in the first place: the Emperor couldn't make enough Custodes fast enough to win a war for control of Earth so he made (or commissioned; there are several things that suggest that at least some of the work on it was not His own) the Marine implants to quickly generate an overwhelming, easily replaceable force from the masses of humans that were just running around outside the lab.
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
MajorTom11 wrote: Now that we have had a closer look at this massive model, I like most of it, but the cybernetics randomly in the arms... WHY? Ugh design choice imho
Because he is/was a Space Marine and still has his power armour interfaces/black carapace. I think it's a nice callback to his origins.
Ummm... he isn't a space marine, he's a primarch, they did not come out of the same process and as far as I know.. And interfaces and black carapace I could live with, it is the bicep being apparently complete cyber cabling under the skin that makes no sense to me. Also, Daemon Princi'ing used to mean a bit more than wings and bird feet, would have liked to see a bit more tzeentch in his DNA but again, it is just my preference...
Why does Magnus look like that? Because Tzeentch. Basically, any question you could ask about Magnus can be answered "Because Tzeentch."
I really like those grav-tank, but I really don't think they go well with the Custodes aesthetic. Custodes are baroque and ornate, while these grav-tanks are sleek and scify.
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
As TS are closely linked to Tzeentch, I'd guess it'll be like some Tzeentch CSM and CD powers - you can increase the number of warp charges needed to cast the power, but it'll be stronger
another event with previews which do not offer much for me ... the two wolves are ok but not anything special. it has come down to a point where leaked stuff from GW is more interesting than previews from FW. I hope FW delivers in February when the next HH book comes ...
Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
Those are great examples, thanks everyone.
"The only good is Knowledge, the only evil, Ignorance"
Skerr wrote: I am trying to wrap my head around what scalable psychic powers could be. Any thoughts out there?
Perhaps powers increase with army size? I dunno...
Looking forward to seeing tzaangors.
Probably means the powers can be cast as basic or advanced.
Or also "If you use 1 dice to cast, this effect, if you use 2 dice to cast base effect +1" etc would be a easy way to scale. More power you throw at a spell the more It can do "usually"
It could work the same way as Eldar warlocks - the number of models in the unit defines the mastery level / number of powers the unit holds.
You want more power/s, you buy a bigger squad. You lose them in battle, they lose power/s accordingly.
As TS are closely linked to Tzeentch, I'd guess it'll be like some Tzeentch CSM and CD powers - you can increase the number of warp charges needed to cast the power, but it'll be stronger
That's kind of how the GSC summoning power works. By increasing the warp charge needed, you can change the type and/or number of models summoned. Something like this makes sense for "scalable psychic powers".
Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
That canoness at the end of december is pretty weird though. Lone HQ for faction that isn't really active would be extremely odd release. I mean what they would be used for? Lone HQ's aren't that useful and rest of SOB line is in not that great shape. Wouldn't it be more sensible to release bit more than just canoness for first wave of plastic SOB?
I know I would be "duh, let's wait for more models". Definitely don't see any new SOB armies being started just by canoness. Now canoness and box of basic SOB that can make 2-3 different units? That's better.
Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
That canoness at the end of december is pretty weird though. Lone HQ for faction that isn't really active would be extremely odd release. I mean what they would be used for? Lone HQ's aren't that useful and rest of SOB line is in not that great shape. Wouldn't it be more sensible to release bit more than just canoness for first wave of plastic SOB?
I know I would be "duh, let's wait for more models". Definitely don't see any new SOB armies being started just by canoness. Now canoness and box of basic SOB that can make 2-3 different units? That's better.
Just because he didn't mention more doesn't mean there wont be more. Perhaps his source only knew/heard about a Canoness release but nothing more. So there might be more but no rumor monger has heard more. If I glanced over the Jan release list and saw a bunch of SoB stuff I'm 100% sure I'd glance at the other stuff but if it wasn't SoB stuff I wouldn't remember any of it as it's not important to me. There are numerous reasons why nothing more has been mentioned, just pick an option and pray for more rumors. Even though I listened to the plastic sisters of battle found in a garbage bin (kinda ironic that when we finally get a confirmation (IT'S A CONFIRMATION GOD DAMN IT!) it's found in a GW garbage bin) I'm still skeptical but I keep praying and hoping for more rumours/info.
- Custodes are older than Thunder Warriors. Info about their creation is heavily guarded by the Emperor. No packers.
Custodes older than TW... how could the Emperor produce crude SM after creating Custodes, the best marine-y guys ever?
Because Custodes aren't super-marines. They are prototype Primarchs.
Consider, a Space Marine is an ordinary human surgically implanted with cultured organs that mess with his biochemistry to make them super-human in many ways. Those organs can reproduce themselves but an individual marine, assuming all the hormonal messing around even leaves them fertile, would produce nothing more or less than a normal human child if he mated with a human woman and didn't accidentally kill her.
A Primarch, on the other hand, is a wholly engineered being, built from the ground (or indeed, if Magnus is to be believed, the very soul) upwards to be exactly what they are. They may or may not be "fertile" but their entire species is male, assuming they are even all the same species as each other.
The Marine project was stabilised by donations from the Primarchs, which is why the Legions all have characters that match their donor which at a minimum means they were completed after the start of the Primarch project.
So how did the Emperor create the Custodes? Same way he created the Primarchs but on a much reduced scale. I reckon they are similarly wholly engineered and thus a separate species of their own, unable to self replicate because the Emperor never gave them the means. They may be "immortal" in that they don't age but I bet the Emperor never left any notes on how to make more to replace combat losses.
I bet they're resource intensive to spawn too, like needing special nutrients and daily care in the vat to mature properly.
Which goes back to why the Marine project was started in the first place: the Emperor couldn't make enough Custodes fast enough to win a war for control of Earth so he made (or commissioned; there are several things that suggest that at least some of the work on it was not His own) the Marine implants to quickly generate an overwhelming, easily replaceable force from the masses of humans that were just running around outside the lab.
Best explanation I have ever read. Well done Sir!
Thank you.
But wait, there's more: everyone speculates that the Grey Knights are not made from any gene-seed that existed at the start of the Heresy and further rumour that He was their "Primarch" but, what if none of that were true?
What if the Grey Knights were created by the same people that created the original, unstable, Marine process that the Emperor fixed using samples from his Primarchs? And, further, that they had neither the expertise, nor the access, nor the desire to get fresh samples from the remaining loyal Primarchs… but could get and use samples from the Emperor's most loyal and devoted champions; the Adeptus Custodes…?
Lets hope for some Sisters of Battle previews then if the rumoured Canoness at the end of Dec is true Perhaps all models are revealed with pre-orders going up the same weekend or the one after?
That canoness at the end of december is pretty weird though. Lone HQ for faction that isn't really active would be extremely odd release. I mean what they would be used for? Lone HQ's aren't that useful and rest of SOB line is in not that great shape. Wouldn't it be more sensible to release bit more than just canoness for first wave of plastic SOB?
I know I would be "duh, let's wait for more models". Definitely don't see any new SOB armies being started just by canoness. Now canoness and box of basic SOB that can make 2-3 different units? That's better.
My two cents is that GW actually has no way to forecast sales for SoBAT ALL and is using the canoness to determine their production runs. My guess is the canoness comes out, then nothing for 2-3 weeks, then the codex+peripherals+another character, then the first week of full releases. Think about it, if they do their normal production runs and SoB players predictions come true, people will be waiting MONTHS to get stuff. Flipside if they go with SOB player's predictions and it's just a normal sales day then they're screwed their too.
ERJAK wrote: My two cents is that GW actually has no way to forecast sales for SoBAT ALL and is using the canoness to determine their production runs. My guess is the canoness comes out, then nothing for 2-3 weeks, then the codex+peripherals+another character, then the first week of full releases. Think about it, if they do their normal production runs and SoB players predictions come true, people will be waiting MONTHS to get stuff. Flipside if they go with SOB player's predictions and it's just a normal sales day then they're screwed their too.
Except that's lousy way to do it. Not many would bother with just Canoness so rather wait for more so this would lead hugely inaccurate data. Also how fast they can cast, pack and ship stuff anyway?
Also they didn't do that with dark eldar that was similar leap of faith to unknown...
I'm betting either canoness being wrong being released on january/february with rest or there's more than just canoness on december.
I don't see the issue with just releasing a Canoness clampack: SoB are a current army sold by GW and they can just update one model. They've done this with WHFB/AoS already, putting out a single character model that isn't connected to any other release such as the Saurus Scar-Veteran and the Nurgle Chaos Lord.
Of course, I hope it's the start of a whole range, but it's not unprecedented to just have a character model appear apropos of nothing.
ERJAK wrote: My two cents is that GW actually has no way to forecast sales for SoBAT ALL and is using the canoness to determine their production runs. My guess is the canoness comes out, then nothing for 2-3 weeks, then the codex+peripherals+another character, then the first week of full releases. Think about it, if they do their normal production runs and SoB players predictions come true, people will be waiting MONTHS to get stuff. Flipside if they go with SOB player's predictions and it's just a normal sales day then they're screwed their too.
Except that's lousy way to do it. Not many would bother with just Canoness so rather wait for more so this would lead hugely inaccurate data. Also how fast they can cast, pack and ship stuff anyway?
Also they didn't do that with dark eldar that was similar leap of faith to unknown...
I'm betting either canoness being wrong being released on january/february with rest or there's more than just canoness on december.
I agree that it's not the best way to do it, but you have yo remember that these are "FEMALE MINIS!", there is a large section of the industry and a decent section of the fandom that are convinced that selling fully clothed female models is completely impossible. Dark eldar weren't nearly as much of a stretch by what the typical miniature collector purchases.
I mean just look at SoS, forgeworld straight up siad they haven't made anything for SoS because they wanted to see how they sold first.
As for no one being interested in just that canoness, I'm already planning on buying 3 and I bet every other Sisters player in the world is gonna want at least 2, not to mention the painters if it's a good sculpt.
ERJAK wrote: I mean just look at SoS, forgeworld straight up siad they haven't made anything for SoS because they wanted to see how they sold first.
Yes but that means the FW models won't be here for a long while. If GW did same with SOB this would mean january-february would DEFINITELY be wrong. More like late 2017 at best. They don't learn anything in time to change anything with just 2-3 weeks time. Or even few months.
As for no one being interested in just that canoness, I'm already planning on buying 3 and I bet every other Sisters player in the world is gonna want at least 2, not to mention the painters if it's a good sculpt.
That's good but not enough. If GW wants to reboot SOB line they need NEW armies started. That doesn't happen with just HQ.
ERJAK wrote: I mean just look at SoS, forgeworld straight up siad they haven't made anything for SoS because they wanted to see how they sold first.
Yes but that means the FW models won't be here for a long while. If GW did same with SOB this would mean january-february would DEFINITELY be wrong. More like late 2017 at best. They don't learn anything in time to change anything with just 2-3 weeks time. Or even few months.
As for no one being interested in just that canoness, I'm already planning on buying 3 and I bet every other Sisters player in the world is gonna want at least 2, not to mention the painters if it's a good sculpt.
That's good but not enough. If GW wants to reboot SOB line they need NEW armies started. That doesn't happen with just HQ.
I'm not saying that that they're waiting on the Canoness to make the rest of the army. The rest of the army is probably already boxed up sitting in a warehouse somewhere, I'm saying they're using it to determine the amount of resources they need to funnel into 2nd-3rd-4th production runs to keep up with demand without creating a huge backstock. They may see the canoness exceed projections by 200% and put some things on hold to get additional stock available.
ERJAK wrote: I'm not saying that that they're waiting on the Canoness to make the rest of the army. The rest of the army is probably already boxed up sitting in a warehouse somewhere, I'm saying they're using it to determine the amount of resources they need to funnel into 2nd-3rd-4th production runs to keep up with demand without creating a huge backstock. They may see the canoness exceed projections by 200% and put some things on hold to get additional stock available.
Except few weeks is still lousy low time. If first wave solds out they are still in for a long time. And this actually will more likely than not DOWNPLAY sales giving GW the opposite idea. That the SOB aren't going to sell when people are just waiting for more stuff to come so they can start army properly.
Just to use myself as an example it would cost me more to buy me SOB army to buy it in pieces. Especially 1 HQ sized pieces. I would be paying more by ordering canoness and later something more. That's why I always buy models in bigger amounts. Because it saves me money. GW models are already expensive enough without deliberately burning money by buying 1 HQ in advance before rest come. I can't do with the model squash do until rest gets released anyway so why pay money?
And I doubt I'm only one in the world with the same situation.
ERJAK wrote: I'm not saying that that they're waiting on the Canoness to make the rest of the army. The rest of the army is probably already boxed up sitting in a warehouse somewhere, I'm saying they're using it to determine the amount of resources they need to funnel into 2nd-3rd-4th production runs to keep up with demand without creating a huge backstock. They may see the canoness exceed projections by 200% and put some things on hold to get additional stock available.
Except few weeks is still lousy low time. If first wave solds out they are still in for a long time. And this actually will more likely than not DOWNPLAY sales giving GW the opposite idea. That the SOB aren't going to sell when people are just waiting for more stuff to come so they can start army properly.
Just to use myself as an example it would cost me more to buy me SOB army to buy it in pieces. Especially 1 HQ sized pieces. I would be paying more by ordering canoness and later something more. That's why I always buy models in bigger amounts. Because it saves me money. GW models are already expensive enough without deliberately burning money by buying 1 HQ in advance before rest come. I can't do with the model squash do until rest gets released anyway so why pay money?
And I doubt I'm only one in the world with the same situation.
Another option is that the rumor is bs and there are no Sisters coming ever. Or the ever popular 'It's an SoS character someone saw and thought was an SoB and no sisters are coming out ever and the plastic bin thing was just a bad joke' If you would prefer those.
ERJAK wrote: Another option is that the rumor is bs and there are no Sisters coming ever. Or the ever popular 'It's an SoS character someone saw and thought was an SoB and no sisters are coming out ever and the plastic bin thing was just a bad joke' If you would prefer those.
Except SOB are pretty much as sure as it can be.
Much more likely is there's more than just canoness or that canoness comes later.
This was posted in the "The next two months of games workshop releases." thread. So full Sisters release in Jan seems to be the current rumour
unmercifulconker wrote: Natfka:
"via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
I can confirm at least Magnus and Plastic Sisters in December
not sure which plastic SoB kit(s) would be in December so I can't confirm the Cannoness part."
Wolfgang Piranhafishthethird on Natfka comments section (Not sure if he's a regular rumour guy or something, people seem to be happy?):
"The SOB rumour isn't confused with SOS! Had that confirmed at Warhammer World. As and when the plastic SOS are released will be alongside the other plastics in the Prospero box, ala the Calth models release.
For the doubters - YES! it is plastic SOB coming and about bleeding time. As to the exact date I am led to believe a teaser will be out in December for early Jan release, but time will tell!"
I had a dream last night where I saw the December WD cover and it had the current daemon prince painted tzeentch and the old metal sorcerors, no new models, it made me very angry.
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