I’m really surprised they’re teasing Mechanicum so soon when all the Solar Auxilia they’ve announced isn’t even out yet. I also know I’m gonna end up buying the inevitable battle group box.
Given I may be finished painting my Dark Angels by the end of the month? Depending on just what crosses the Rubicon Plasticarus, I could be persuaded into a Mechanicum force.
Thallaxi and Tech Thralls are a must in those considerations.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'd much rather some more marines to fill more gaps, or the handful of kits solar aux need to finish off before starting another faction from scratch.
If I want to think crazy though, Mars Warhound in plastic!
Kind of agree, plastic mechanicum might be enough to get me in properly, but I never went with a marine force explicitly because of those gaps they seemingly gave up on.
Me, early on in the Adepticon thread wrote: Given Heresy is just a teaser?
I’m hoping it’s a teaser for the Mechanicum. Seem early given we’ve barely, just about, sort of got Solar Auxilia. But I’d still love for Mechanicum to get some plastic love.
Calm down, I'm sure the rollout will be slow and we will only get the barebones to start with. Having said that... BRING ON THE AUTOMATA! I have been waiting for this ever since those first rumours of plastic Thallax materialized. My marines need their automata
(and a plastic Land Speeder Proteus please please)
PS: This probably means that Mechanicum for LI is not far behind..
From Valrak rumours it seems like the Mechanicum Knight variants are coming, I really hope this teaser amounts to more than just them (in the short term anyway, plastic Mechanicum are probably a given on a long enough timeline).
ImAGeek wrote: From Valrak rumours it seems like the Mechanicum Knight variants are coming, I really hope this teaser amounts to more than just them (in the short term anyway, plastic Mechanicum are probably a given on a long enough timeline).
This was his rumour from last month:
questoris mechanicum chassis moving to plastic - dual system
knight upgrade kits moving to plastic
mechanicum is on the way
the conveyor transport is one of the first kits
Guessing the Mechanicum knights will be a summer release for HH again, with the general Mechanicum units following later in the year.
Oh yeah, I’d forgotten about that. Actually, I think I didn’t believe it at the time, because of how close it is to the Solar Auxilia release haha. That’s good though.
Guessing the Mechanicum knights will be a summer release for HH again, with the general Mechanicum units following later in the year.
Thats probably how it will go. Knights first then full Mechanicum, maybe even LI Mechanicum in between as it also got SA shortly before HH got them and we have a rules reference that kinda teases them
Thats probably how it will go. Knights first then full Mechanicum, maybe even LI Mechanicum in between as it also got SA shortly before HH got them and we have a rules reference that kinda teases them
With both Beta-Garmon expansions released so close together I wonder if that's the plan going forwards.
We know that there's still some new non-Mechanicum units to squeeze in for both systems before that (marine command squads from last year's HH roadmap, and a second LI expansion with the SA super-heavies). Full size knights would need to be released separately from the full size infantry, but at epic scale both could release much closer together. This should neatly take us through the AOS launch period and summer, before a Mechanicum-themed content like a campaign over a forgeworld coordinated at both scales in Autumn/Winter.
Has anyone been at least vaguely keeping track of how long we usually wait from teaser to pre-order?
I’d hope no more than 6 months. But that feels excessive as we’d be knocking on October’s door by then.
From memory I think we had a (2022) Votann teaser on April 1st, a single model shown the following day, then not much until around a month later when real previews began. Actual model relase was around September/October time.
Then last year there was a teaser for LI at the end of April, confirmation on July 1st, with the release originally planned for August.
If this teaser leads into both Mechanicum knights and troops/tanks, then I think those releases will be spread across most of the rest of the year starting in summer.
tauist wrote: Calm down, I'm sure the rollout will be slow and we will only get the barebones to start with. Having said that... BRING ON THE AUTOMATA! I have been waiting for this ever since those first rumours of plastic Thallax materialized. My marines need their automata
Have they retconned Thalaxii into automata? The original lore was that they are heavily augmented humans, more like Skitarii or even a kind of specialised combat servitor.
Has anyone been at least vaguely keeping track of how long we usually wait from teaser to pre-order?
I’d hope no more than 6 months. But that feels excessive as we’d be knocking on October’s door by then.
The first actual teaser we got for SA was the new years silhouette video so 3 months until release but since we saw the silhouette of an actual model with that, thats a bit further along then this teaser.
Arguably the real first teaser we got for SA was the "mystery army" on the roadmap which was 11 months ago at Warhammer Fest 2023. But then again that didn't even say its SA while now we already know its something Mechanicum.
So I would guess something in between, around 6 months probably.
Haighus wrote: Have they retconned Thalaxii into automata? The original lore was that they are heavily augmented humans, more like Skitarii or even a kind of specialised combat servitor.
No, your explanation is still correct. They look like robots, though, so I suspect most people assume they are automata even if they aren't.
Haighus wrote: Have they retconned Thalaxii into automata? The original lore was that they are heavily augmented humans, more like Skitarii or even a kind of specialised combat servitor.
No, your explanation is still correct. They look like robots, though, so I suspect most people assume they are automata even if they aren't.
One of the big heresy books specifically cited them as effective against Daemons. Where an Automata can be confused by their readings (Daemons are only sort of real), and a mortal mind overwhelmed with fear, Thallaxi could rationalise their existence without the downside of that rationalisation.
Personally I find it to be an improvement over the layered bell-bottoms of traditional Mk II. Though I still like traditional MkII.
And finally a Heresy WS Model other than the Khan himself that actually looks good. I guess the Stormseer is OK, but I had completely forgotten about him.
lord_blackfang wrote: So, the last nail in the Mk2 coffin. Rather than the unique and cool overlapping plates, it's regular power armour with 2" gaps carved into it.
Or it’s Artificer Mk3 and you’re winding yourself up over nothing.
lord_blackfang wrote: So, the last nail in the Mk2 coffin. Rather than the unique and cool overlapping plates, it's regular power armour with 2" gaps carved into it.
Or it’s Artificer Mk3 and you’re winding yourself up over nothing.
It’s definitely MkII, it says in the article. The new MkIII doesn’t have overlapping plates now though so I’d assumed a new MkII would be the same when we got it.
It’s definitely MkII, it says in the article. The new MkIII doesn’t have overlapping plates now though so I’d assumed a new MkII would be the same when we got it.
I was holding onto a few % of hope that the back of Mk3 legs was supposed to be straps holding the additional front plate in place.
One of the top tier HH STL sculptors was already commissioned to make old style plates Mk2 and Mk3 in the new scale/proportions anyway, so whatever.
lord_blackfang wrote: One of the top tier HH STL sculptors was already commissioned to make old style plates Mk2 and Mk3 in the new scale/proportions anyway, so whatever.
Umm uh... do you have a link per-chance? Proper MkII is something I'd very much like to have access too.
Release updated and rescaled plastic HH models that people will buy but have mixed reactions
Then in five years, release rescaled models that look more like the iconic classic models so people will buy them regardless of having the same mk in plastic
Release updated and rescaled plastic HH models that people will buy but have mixed reactions
Then in five years, release rescaled models that look more like the iconic classic models so people will buy them regardless of having the same mk in plastic
Genius
That's basically what Hasbro does with Transformers and it seems to work okay.
Release updated and rescaled plastic HH models that people will buy but have mixed reactions
Then in five years, release rescaled models that look more like the iconic classic models so people will buy them regardless of having the same mk in plastic
Genius
That's basically what Hasbro does with Transformers and it seems to work okay.
Is it, though? Hasbro's been operating at a loss for the past 2-3 years.
What's going on with his tabard?
The red-edged brown ribbon thing on his left seems to run from his shoulder, beneath his 'belt', and then down over the loincloth.
The ribbon thing on his right just seems to end at his hip with a big gap though...
What's going on with his tabard?
The red-edged brown ribbon thing on his left seems to run from his shoulder, beneath his 'belt', and then down over the loincloth.
The ribbon thing on his right just seems to end at his hip with a big gap though...
If you zoom in, you can see a burgundy strap continues across the "gap" but without the fancy trim. Presumably to avoid catching on the belt. The ribbing of the power armour joint is obscured there too.
LR Assault tank sprue (others are the same as the Strike version)
Spoiler:
Malcador (other sprues are the same as the Dracosan and the LR front weapon sprue)
Spoiler:
Velataris Storm Section
Spoiler:
The Velatari sprues are completely split between bodies on one sprue and weapons on the other which screams Vanguard Section with Rotor cannons and Flamers in the future to me. Also maybe an upgrade sprue for Velataris Command Sections?
What's going on with his tabard?
The red-edged brown ribbon thing on his left seems to run from his shoulder, beneath his 'belt', and then down over the loincloth.
The ribbon thing on his right just seems to end at his hip with a big gap though...
FWIW, the initial sculptor said he'd originally sculpted the character to be quite stripped down and simple, but that since leaving the sculpting team it must have been handed back to someone else to gussy up, so there might be some incongruity in whatever else was added on
Also, you can see it continue in the close-ups, top left photo, under the golden chest decoration and cord, it just seems like a sloppy mistake to put a big gap in it instead of adjusting the lower length further up
I've always felt he just tries to paint them in as wide a spectrum as possible, less about schemes and more just showing off the look of as many colours he can fit. With the consistency of his output, he can't be planning things out too specifically, or he'd have no time for his personal hobby
Tim the Biovore wrote: I've always felt he just tries to paint them in as wide a spectrum as possible, less about schemes and more just showing off the look of as many colours he can fit. With the consistency of his output, he can't be planning things out too specifically, or he'd have no time for his personal hobby
That's always been my impression too. And I can generally find one or two that I particularly like. The sergeant for this unit and the pale blue armored Veletaris to the left of it are both great.
Tim the Biovore wrote: I've always felt he just tries to paint them in as wide a spectrum as possible, less about schemes and more just showing off the look of as many colours he can fit. With the consistency of his output, he can't be planning things out too specifically, or he'd have no time for his personal hobby
Yeah, I mean there are some in there I definitely wouldn't touch, but it gives a pretty reference for the options in terms of colours.
chaos0xomega wrote: I'm surprised there's no discussion of the reviews of The Battle for Beta-Garmon and how GW absolutely borked the Shattered Legion rules.
The first review I saw was 30 minutes of useless rambling and then I had to leave the house. And it looks like my favorite "man reads book on camera" channel isn't doing Heresy... got a good link?
Obviously without having the rules infront of me, but having read through that self-same review:
SL seems like they'll be (mostly) fine so long as they keep things reasonable. Ergo a two-legion force with most units having something like a 7-3 ratio, or at least removing casualties in such a way that the rules will be intentionally maintained until the unit's really down on its last legs. Some stuff, such as NL dreadnoughts being unable to charge, will have to be straight up house-ruled. The rules can also be made significantly simpler via house rule (check at the start of each turn, not each phase). Stuff only starts getting really hairy if someone's intentionally trying to powergame (they want their squads to be DG during the shooting phase, and have BA in the back pocket for when they WANT to charge, but bounce it around to avoid the draw-back until they want it). Or if players don't approach their squads with the intent of maintaining their combination of bonuses and flaws.
With that said, as that review says, that's pretty bonkers. That something they very much tried to sell the book on would have such cases of extreme near unusability is really disappointing.
Blackshields look great. Plenty of fluffy and thematic rules which will allow for a huge variety of forces. They look so good I'm tempted to create a force of them.
Personally I think the review was right, shattered legions should've been a set of options within the blackshields rules rather than a separate set of rules. Alternatively, the mutable tactics rules should have been locked in on listbuilding rather than being something that changes every phase.
Counter - why is it power gaming? It makes perfect sense to me that DG members would lead in shooting phase while BA would lend their expertise in assault. Isn't it, like, the whole point of Shattered Legions?
And the fix here is so easy, why even have the dumb requirement to have 3 legions in an unit? Simply assign each unit major/minor rule at the start of the game, rebalance them to not have any obvious must haves, there, done, good rules 10 minutes of work later. I agree with goon, writer must have Phil Kelly syndrome to think this terrible mess you can easily WAAAC to be OP if you try hard is any good, too bad GW promotes based on seniority not skill...
Shattered Legions do honestly sound fun to me if you have the self restraint to not actively work towards having 3 powers swappable at will. I wonder if they'll make Tsons playable...
I agree that the SL rules sound a bit hairy but one of our group is buying Beta-Garmon for the Blackshields rules so I'll take a look then.
It does feel like the writers have gone for the "hardcore" SL vibe we see pop up in the novel series which I do appreciate.
I think with a lot of things HH, it's not made for events or tournaments in mind and as such they can go a bit nuts with it.
How that plays out we'll wait and see but they're always optional rules and not core to the game so I'm sure it'll be all right.
lord_blackfang wrote: Shattered Legions do honestly sound fun to me if you have the self restraint to not actively work towards having 3 powers swappable at will. I wonder if they'll make Tsons playable...
Yea at first glance I bought into the "totally unplayable" part from the Goonhammer article but the more I think about it, the less of a problem I think it will be in actual practice for a certain type of person.
Granted, my playgroup is the type that takes artificer armor on all their sergeants to tank wounds for the unit, so if any of them decided to play Shattered Legions it would be... a whole time.
But for a superior breed like myself, who doesn't have enough brain function to do anything but move models forward, attack the closest unit, and pull the closest models from the enemy as they die, Shattered Legions seems fine?
Spending even 15 seconds deciding which models to pull for "optimal benefits" every time a model dies would be absolutely heinous to play as or against.
edit: just going to add, to be explicit, the "superior breed" comment was a tongue-in-cheek joke at my own expense.
Reading that Goonhammer article they specifically say that "unscrupulous players" can take advantage of the SL rules and honestly yeah but where is that any different to any army in any game?
Chill people will be chill and gremlins will be gremlins.
Gert wrote: Reading that Goonhammer article they specifically say that "unscrupulous players" can take advantage of the SL rules and honestly yeah but where is that any different to any army in any game?
Chill people will be chill and gremlins will be gremlins.
Not the worry. The worry is figuring out what each unit does each phase. Every turn I can deal with. But every phase?
I have 10 Tacticals, 4 Salamanders, 5 Iron Hands, and an Ultramarine. I lose 2 Iron Hands and a Salamander. The Salamanders are now the majority, I apply their rule which I have in my rulebook right in front of me.
The only problem I would foresee is if you pick Legions that are all really similar in paint scheme, which they largely aren't. Maybe if you've decided to do Thousand Sons, Blood Angels, and Word Bearers but then that's on you for being a muppet.
Yea I don't really see an issue, make markers, place the "active" Legion marker next to each unit, swap them out as and when they take casualties, no need to literally count all your models every phase if they're not changing, is there? Start your units with a clear majority, pull the middle legion models first, then the minority legion. Done, you've built something that's barely more complex than regular DA outside corner cases like enemy sniping models to change your rules.
The real problem are the traits that break down on single model units, like Night Lords dreadnoughts not being able to charge at all.
Gert wrote: TBH while annoying, it's also very funny.
"Funny" how? Like, it's annoying, it's functional, and freakout over it is funny. Or it's just funny in general. Not picking a fight. Just looking for your honest oppinion Herty Gerty.
Gert wrote: A Dreadnought, a machine of mass slaughter, can't get into combat with more than one enemy because it's scared of a one-on-one fight.
Ok, yeah, that's funny. But you can avoid it by avoiding the 8th Legion. Which is inimical to purposely built armies. So, is the humor solely based on the idiocy of it all?
Edit: So are you just laughing at the rules writers? I'm honestly confused here
Interesting that they have the field police markings on it. I know it's popped up as an Easter egg in some color plates but we have yet to actually see it detailed as part of a legions standard organization, etc.
The first image doesn't show all the bits, for example they talk about 5 regular power swords while you can only see one in the first image. Look at the painted example marines for a better showcase
This upgrade set is compatible with both Legion MKIII and MKVI Tactical Squads. For those who urgently need a gang of appropriately armoured heavies to stand by their characters and look menacing, you’ll also be able to pick up Legion Command Squads ready to go, in different boxes for either armour mark.
All three of these sets are plastic and will be available to pre-order later in the year
So the upgrade sprue will be available on its own and combines with marines. Wonder if one of the options will be webstore only and if so which one it would be
Personally I would have also wanted some more weapon options but they probably saved those for the melee weapon upgrades
beast_gts wrote: Unless there's a lot of stuff not in the first photo, it's somewhat disappointing - only power swords & no combi-weapons.
why would there be combi-weapons? they already sell those!
Frankly, I think nobody was going to be 100% pleased with this set. It's intended to be as generic as possible...nothing special was going to be added.
I cannot believe I was excited for this crap.. I'll still probably buy it for the extra bits, but was hoping for a lot more tbh. Like, that stuff we have in the LI command squad stand, at the very least.. no generic Apotechary or anything...
I admit it looks ok on the MKIII, but not feeling how it looks on MKVI.. like, at all..
I actually like what’s there, but it’s disappointing how little there is, especially with how long we’ve been waiting to see it since it was announced.
After assembling some of the MKVI I find them very bland & terrible posing... I thought it could be the angle from most photos, but the kit really isn't what I think it could have been. The fact that there are only 5 poses really doesn't help.
Unfortunately the Legion Command will have the same issue. It just feels bad waiting this long for a single sprue.
Am I having a stroke? Article says 27 upgrades but there's about 50 bits in the image with more text saying you get more power swords than are shown. And with 5 swords and 5 shields it can't be a sprue doubled up.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I guess if you don't count the arms it comes out about right.
Seems like HH boffins totally expect us to have ample spares of all the released kits so far, in order to be able to stock up on those power fists, lightning claws, hand flamers, plasma, volkite serpentas etc.
Looks like I gotta wait until they release the MKV and MKIV in the new poses/proportions, if I want more variety for my torsos.. Thinking those MKV studded shoulderpads oughta look interesting on MKVI torsos (assuming they do em like on that large MKV resin character)
Hmm, just realized that banner will be amazing for kitbashing with Chapter iconography.. Just cut out the Aquila at the top and insert your Chapter symbol. They are actually both great for that! I'd say the traitor one looks more Rogue Traderesque than the loyalist one, but both can work splendidly.
tauist wrote: Seems like HH boffins totally expect us to have ample spares of all the released kits so far, in order to be able to stock up on those power fists, lightning claws, hand flamers, plasma, volkite serpentas etc.
Looks like I gotta wait until they release the MKV and MKIV in the new poses/proportions, if I want more variety for my torsos.. Thinking those MKV studded shoulderpads oughta look interesting on MKVI torsos (assuming they do em like on that large MKV resin character)
Being in that exact boat? This isn’t too shabby. Certainly it’s better for me than buying resin stuff, because I can’t stand working with resin.
Images and description are irritating, as they don’t match making it tricky to envisage exactly what I’ll be getting. But spares on-hand right now? Two Volkite Serpentas, two Hand Flamers, one pair of Lightning Claws, 20 Bolt Pistols, plus however many Powerfists and Power Swords I’ve got left over from my Tacticals.
Article also mentions “all three kits”, but only directly implies MkIII and MkVI versions?
I love the banner bits, but the rest seems very bland. I hope they at least do Breachers at some points to capitalize on the shield hands they designed.
Pretty nice kit. The helmets looks better than most legion specific heads.
The shields and heads are the only things you could not easily get from other GW boxes. I will surely update my kitbashed command sqd, but probably keep the choppy swords I got from the grey knights.
I cannot believe I was excited for this crap.. I'll still probably buy it for the extra bits, but was hoping for a lot more tbh. Like, that stuff we have in the LI command squad stand, at the very least.. no generic Apotechary or anything...
Not sure why you'd expect Apothecary parts in the Command Squad when Apothecaries aren't part of a Command Squad and have never been in HH.
I'm pretty disappointed on this, it seems like the idea of having multiple plastic armor marks has led to the blandification of releases. Everything is going to be an upgrade kit because it needs to be compatible with the same 5 poses of Mk III and VI.
I'm hoping GW does something to spice it up - a plastic despoiler or breacher kit with some different poses would go a long way to adding some variation to armies.
Gert wrote: Not sure why you'd expect Apothecary parts in the Command Squad when Apothecaries aren't part of a Command Squad and have never been in HH.
Far, but you know what could be in a Command Squad kit?
Combi weapons
Charnabal weapons
Selection of powered weapons
And most of all, Artificer armour which is mandatory gear for all members and 4 fancy shoulder pads aren't cutting it. This kit isn't fit for duty.
Agreed on the shared rapier wishlist. Make a base platform with a quad launcher, laser destroyer and quad bolter option, then a SM crew sprue with grav cannon and plating, and a SA crew with quad multilayer and plating.
Before tarantulas though they should get to the outriders, javelins, and landspeeders for marines, and aurox/carnodons and ogryns for solar aux.
I'd rather see Tarantulas, selfishly, because the missile launcher variant has been unavailable for quite some time. Additionally, it would be nice to see them as a 3 pack since that's the minimum battery size.
Kanluwen wrote: I'd rather see Tarantulas, selfishly, because the missile launcher variant has been unavailable for quite some time. Additionally, it would be nice to see them as a 3 pack since that's the minimum battery size.
I already have 3 HB & 2 LC resin Tarantulas. I don't really need more.. Especially if GW releases that uglier looking LI Astartes one in 28mil. Much prefer the SA version (which is the style of the current resin 28mil ones)
Far, but you know what could be in a Command Squad kit?
Combi weapons
Charnabal weapons
Selection of powered weapons
You mean like the Combi Weapon pack you can buy? Or the upcoming melee weapon kit? Weird that all of these things are either currently in circulation or have literally been shown already.
And most of all, Artificer armour which is mandatory gear for all members and 4 fancy shoulder pads aren't cutting it. This kit isn't fit for duty.
Seeing as AA is specifically more common in the Heresy era and doesn't have to be festooned with skulls, purity seals, or other gubbins because that's generally considered a post-Heresy thing, are you whinging because you didn't get 10 slightly fancier shoulder pads?
When I started HH, we didn't have any fancy schmancy plastic kits. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole group and we had to share the rock! Buck up, boy, you are one very lucky hobbyist!
Gert wrote: Seeing as AA is specifically more common in the Heresy era and doesn't have to be festooned with skulls, purity seals, or other gubbins because that's generally considered a post-Heresy thing, are you whinging because you didn't get 10 slightly fancier shoulder pads?
Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.
Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.
I genuinely wasn't sure if this was a serious comment or not.
Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.
I genuinely wasn't sure if this was a serious comment or not.
I guess I'm still not sure?
Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.
morganfreeman wrote: Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.
Finally, someone cultured.
In all seriousness though, seeing the constant complaining that every single kit isn't perfect is beyond grating at this point. Heresy used to be about scraping chest eagles off of Space Marines and hunting for fancy helmets for extortionate prices. Now if a kit doesn't have every single option on the data sheet or a resin model gets shown instead of plastic, people start foaming at the mouth. Perspective has been lost and the art of finding solutions with it.
morganfreeman wrote: Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.
Finally, someone cultured.
In all seriousness though, seeing the constant complaining that every single kit isn't perfect is beyond grating at this point. Heresy used to be about scraping chest eagles off of Space Marines and hunting for fancy helmets for extortionate prices. Now if a kit doesn't have every single option on the data sheet or a resin model gets shown instead of plastic, people start foaming at the mouth. Perspective has been lost and the art of finding solutions with it.
Man, how dare people expect a premium-priced product to include options! What nerve they have, not wanting to shell out an extra $80 to build a single squad appropriately! Why don't these darn whippersnappers get off my lawn?!
Given how expensive anything Games Workshop is, it seems pretty valid to expect the kits to be complete for their intended purposes.
And you can keep doing that if that’s your thing. Some people will be happy with this sprue, others will see it as a missed opportunity to make something more than a small upgrade sprue for existing models. And there’s nothing wrong with that, we all have different expectations for our hobby.
I wish they’d have done something like a Heroes of the Chapter kit, with distinct artificier armour, something different from the mass troops. While the mkIII armband didn’t look too bad with the heavy weapons, here it looks like it’s tacked on… Waiting what, half a year or more for a sprue with 2 banners, shields and power swords, seems lackluster.
Hey I have no problem finding solutions, they just don't involve rewarding poor product by throwing even more money at the company to convert up missing options. In fact I stated my solution in the previous post. But regarding perspective, Horus Heresy isn't some secret society where you walk uphill both ways in the snow with a boner to feel better than everybody else, it's just a product line of toy dudes, I can have negative reactions to poor product.
And Halo reference? Off to the Mantic thread with you then (this is intended in good fun)
The way things are going, I expect rapiers to come in boxes of three with a crew sprue that only builds one model but has accessories and new arms for the other five crew that come on the bog standard tactical/auxilia sprue also included in the box.
Not complaining, just guessing so I can be pleasantly surprised or quietly, yet smugly, correct in 16-24 months.
No One Important wrote: The way things are going, I expect rapiers to come in boxes of three with a crew sprue that only builds one model but has accessories and new arms for the other five crew that come on the bog standard tactical/auxilia sprue also included in the box.
Not complaining, just guessing so I can be pleasantly surprised or quietly, yet smugly, correct in 16-24 months.
That actually sounds perfectly reasonable given the scope of HH production allotments. Would honestly be weird if warmachine crew were the first source of alternate poses.
morganfreeman wrote: Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.
Finally, someone cultured.
In all seriousness though, seeing the constant complaining that every single kit isn't perfect is beyond grating at this point. Heresy used to be about scraping chest eagles off of Space Marines and hunting for fancy helmets for extortionate prices. Now if a kit doesn't have every single option on the data sheet or a resin model gets shown instead of plastic, people start foaming at the mouth. Perspective has been lost and the art of finding solutions with it.
Man, how dare people expect a premium-priced product to include options! What nerve they have, not wanting to shell out an extra $80 to build a single squad appropriately! Why don't these darn whippersnappers get off my lawn?!
Given how expensive anything Games Workshop is, it seems pretty valid to expect the kits to be complete for their intended purposes.
Considering how HH kits compared to 40K actually still have a wealth of options and how GW for a change provides additional Upgrade sprues I feel Gert is not totally off.
Some people apparently want GW to do HH all in plastic and with options and with dynamic poses and with a stable rulebook. But it's GW we're talking about, they never pulled of all of these together in any of their Systems . Looking at other companies, I'm not even sure anyone makes a game like that, as we say in Germany, it's eine eierlegende Wollmilchsau
No One Important wrote: The way things are going, I expect rapiers to come in boxes of three with a crew sprue that only builds one model but has accessories and new arms for the other five crew that come on the bog standard tactical/auxilia sprue also included in the box.
Not complaining, just guessing so I can be pleasantly surprised or quietly, yet smugly, correct in 16-24 months.
If I had to hazard a guess as to how it might work?
-"Body" frame for the Rapier itself, shared between both Astartes and Solar Auxilia with a Laser Destroyer.
-Weapon & crew frames specific to the faction. I could see Astartes maybe getting a Techmarine out of this setup, like how the Auxilia Command Frame lets you build a Marshal? Seated Auxilia would probably be a bigger frame than not.
I can't comment on the Heavy Bolter build. I don't know enough to know if the Solar Auxilia's "Gravis" is meant to be a "Quad" build.
JNAProductions wrote: Man, how dare people expect a premium-priced product to include options! What nerve they have, not wanting to shell out an extra $80 to build a single squad appropriately! Why don't these darn whippersnappers get off my lawn?!
Given how expensive anything Games Workshop is, it seems pretty valid to expect the kits to be complete for their intended purposes.
It has enough to give the whole unit swords, shields, and fancy hats, and has 2 banner options, and 4 banner toppers. You can buy the kit 4 times and every single unit can look different, at least as much as Space Marines can do. Has nobody also realised that the top benefit of this kit is that it can be used with Tactical Marines, Assault Marines, Jetbikes, and (eventually) Bikes as well? GW has given you a kit with the ability to make every single type of Power Armour level Command Squad and you're complaining because it only comes with swords?
Can I also just point out the absurdity of complaining that this kit doesn't give you all the options for every single Marine like people are only buying the Command Squad for an entire HH army? The only way you couldn't have spares of every single upgrade on the Command Squad list is if you throw away all the spare parts you have after finishing a unit, in which case that's so your own fault and not GWs.
It has enough to give the whole unit swords, shields, and fancy hats, and has 2 banner options, and 4 banner toppers. You can buy the kit 4 times and every single unit can look different
Yes if you give one unit swords, the second shields, the third heads and the last one a flag you will have 4 different units, but then I'm not sure why you bought 4 kits
Look IDGAF about playing HH. I just want the best possible looking beakies ever. From that POV, this command upgrade is a clear miss. Stop confusing my griping as being unsatisfied by this kit as a HH product. I dont even play HH, only LI
Anyways, being upset by people having opinions online is just as tiresome as the whinging. So now we are both inconvenienced. Get over it
tauist wrote: Look IDGAF about playing HH. I just want the best possible looking beakies ever. From that POV, this command upgrade is a clear miss. Stop confusing my griping as being unsatisfied by this kit as a HH product. I dont even play HH, only LI
"I don't even care but I'm going to make multiple posts in this thread about the thing I don't care about".
Anyways, being upset by people having opinions online is just as tiresome as the whinging. So now we are both inconvenienced. Get over it
Ok there buddy. See what happens in a discussion is that people will make an assertion, and other people get to challenge that assertion. If the first person can't defend that assertion the discussion tends to break down.
For example:
P1 - This kit is rubbish it has no options at all and GW sucks.
P2 - The kit is an upgrade sprue which means you can then use it to make all the types of PA Command Squad. Also, the parts you mentioned are either already available elsewhere or are next in the release schedule.
P1 - You're on copium if you think this is good, and 3d Printer goes brrrr.
Do you maybe see where the discussion has broken down because P1 hasn't actually entertained the discussion but instead has immediately jumped to insults and irritation?
Don't come at me claiming some moral high ground and try to shut me down because you can't justify your opinions.
Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.
I genuinely wasn't sure if this was a serious comment or not.
I guess I'm still not sure?
Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.
I was quoting LBF, not Gert.
It would have been nice if the kit would have had more options of course, but it's clearly not "basically a box of nothing".
Edit: LBF's post reads like a parody to me. I assumed that they were being serious, but I couldn't quite believe it
Ok there buddy. See what happens in a discussion is that people will make an assertion, and other people get to challenge that assertion. If the first person can't defend that assertion the discussion tends to break down.
For example:
P1 - This kit is rubbish it has no options at all and GW sucks.
P2 - The kit is an upgrade sprue which means you can then use it to make all the types of PA Command Squad. Also, the parts you mentioned are either already available elsewhere or are next in the release schedule.
P1 - You're on copium if you think this is good, and 3d Printer goes brrrr.
Do you maybe see where the discussion has broken down because P1 hasn't actually entertained the discussion but instead has immediately jumped to insults and irritation?
Don't come at me claiming some moral high ground and try to shut me down because you can't justify your opinions.
You are being dishonest in the examples you give. The parts you mentioned, the combi-weapons - could you please show me where they are, as I couldn't find them on the store. I found some resin weapons that require additional plastic components as they are not fit for use with the current kits. In any case, you think it's reasonable to pay € 19,5 for, say, resin upgrades (ten shoulder pads) or the supposed combi-weapons?
Heresy used to be all about "scraping chests", is the same type of crap comment you'd hear from the "you're not a proper ork if you don't convert all your vehicles". I've said before, people's expectations for the hobby vary wildly and it's not up to you or anyone else to pass judgement, or why people have to further justify their opinions. People have already said why they are disappointed, I'd think you'd just happy to provoke rather than meet halfway - The upgrade kit is low effort, they could've gone in a different direction (which is what people are complaining about). No one is picking up pitch forks and torches and going out to (further) roast GW.
Edit: Found the kit... 24,5 euros for five of each combi-weapons, non-compatible with the new kits, and terribly executed... yeah, that's totally reasonable! /S
It's okay, Gert says combi-weapons will be on the melee sprue and you don't actually need artificer armour for the unit entirely dressed in artificer armour, anyone saying otherwise is pointlessly whinging.
Back in my day we carved our miniatures out of raw blocks of polystyrene and thanked GW for the privilege of paying premium prices for it.
This is fun.
Seriously though, asking for a better product is pretty reasonable at this point. I've got 5 squads of Mk VI and at this point the repetition of the same poses is grating.
Lets make that official, knock it off now please.
This thread is for HH news and rumours, keep it to that. These tangents can be discussed in their own threads if you want to carry on the discussion, minus the rudeness.
So, hopes, dreams and expectations for the melee sprue?
Hopes: boarding shields (probably not realistic as they need matching bolter arms)
Expectations: 5 power swords, 5 power axes, 5 power mauls, maaaybe 1 each thunder hammer, heavy chainsword, pair of LC.
Difficult to manage expectations because it's just listed on the roadmap as 'melee weapons'. We don't know if it's one sprue or multiple.
In an ideal world it should be equivalent in format to the heavy weapons release we received with the launch of 2.0 - e.g. chainswords, chainaxes, heavy chainswords in one box; power swords, axes, mauls, lances in another box; charnabal sabres, tabars, glaives and a small selection of fists/claws/thunder hammers in another box. That way you'd have elite units covered and also the ability for people to use the chainweapon box to kit out despoilers and the like. Personally I think larger melee weapons sets like that would sell like crazy and not just to 30k fans.
What I'm worried we'll get is just the plastic equivalent of the old resin weapons sets where you get 1-4 of each weapon and 1-4 of a few kinds of pistol, which would be an enormous waste of time.
Crossing my fingers hoping for the former, but bracing for the latter.
But it’s hard to say. As someone that’s spent a lot of dosh already? I have many Pretty Things left over.
For example, last night I started building the next 10 Assault Marines. First 10 were straight out the box. No bells or whistles. Well except two Power Swords from the Command sprue.
This 10? 4 have Volkite Serpentas from the two Jetbike kits I’ve assembled. The other one I’ve built had a Power Sword, again from the Command sprue. And I’ve more than one more Power Sword left to finish equipping that unit.
After that? I’ve a fair few fancy weapons left over. So I’d hope the Assault Weapons offer stuff entirely unique.
Hopes: boarding shields (probably not realistic as they need matching bolter arms)
Expectations: 5 power swords, 5 power axes, 5 power mauls, maaaybe 1 each thunder hammer, heavy chainsword, pair of LC.
Honest question, blackfang - why would you hope for boarding shields in the melee kit, rather than in a Breacher kit? As you yourself say, it'd need bolter arms.
I'm not sure what I'd expect in terms of weapons in the kit, but I would expect the kit to be melee weapons (and arms).
Breacher shields would need to come in a kit that includes bolters that can be mounted into the shield notches, along with volkite Chargers that do the same. It's not coming in the melee weapons kit.
chaos0xomega wrote: Breacher shields would need to come in a kit that includes bolters that can be mounted into the shield notches, along with volkite Chargers that do the same. It's not coming in the melee weapons kit.
And Meltaguns, and Grav Guns, or wherever they’re called.
chaos0xomega wrote: Breacher shields would need to come in a kit that includes bolters that can be mounted into the shield notches, along with volkite Chargers that do the same. It's not coming in the melee weapons kit.
And Meltaguns, and Grav Guns, or wherever they’re called.
Breacher sprue would just be 5 shields with 5 matching bolters and volkites, and one flamer/melta/grav. If we are lucky, a set of 5 or 6 more armored helmets to go with them. Double it, put it in a 10 man box and done
chaos0xomega wrote: Breacher shields would need to come in a kit that includes bolters that can be mounted into the shield notches, along with volkite Chargers that do the same. It's not coming in the melee weapons kit.
And Meltaguns, and Grav Guns, or wherever they’re called.
Breacher sprue would just be 5 shields with 5 matching bolters and volkites, and one flamer/melta/grav. If we are lucky, a set of 5 or 6 more armored helmets to go with them. Double it, put it in a 10 man box and done
Can breachers still take breaching charges? If so I'd expect one of those too.
Interestingly, Valrak thinks the next armour mark might either be MkII or MkV.
But Valrak doesn't even have a passing knowledge of GW model ranges and neither do his sources, so I wouldn't put too much weight on what they think they've seen. Just a few minutes earlier he said "genestealer mutants based on hive scum" like that means anything.
Mankier Hybrids, perhaps unlike the ones we’re used to seeing. Not just three or four arms, but more classical mutations perhaps, a mix of foul Xenos DNA and corrupted human DNA. A heady mix of manky from both sources.
Which could be a real show stopper for a nascent Genestealer Cult. If you’re resulting Hybrids are mutated, you’ve a much reduced chance of a deep infiltration of the planet’s power structure. A slightly deeper forehead and kind-of-in-the-right-light purplish tinge to the skin are only give aways to the most alert and learned. But three legs, two heads and twenty seven arses is just gonna limit your career, no?
Which in turn might explain why Necromunda as a whole isn’t especially threatened right now - the Cult has too few passing members to really get up to no good. At least for now.
lord_blackfang wrote: But Valrak doesn't even have a passing knowledge of GW model ranges and neither do his sources, so I wouldn't put too much weight on what they think they've seen. Just a few minutes earlier he said "genestealer mutants based on hive scum" like that means anything.
Hive scum are a plastic kit. So these are presumably what GW have been doing more of lately which is adding an extra sprue to an existing set to make another unit. In this case genestealer mutants. Seems pretty straight forward.
lord_blackfang wrote: But Valrak doesn't even have a passing knowledge of GW model ranges and neither do his sources, so I wouldn't put too much weight on what they think they've seen. Just a few minutes earlier he said "genestealer mutants based on hive scum" like that means anything.
Hive scum are a plastic kit. So these are presumably what GW have been doing more of lately which is adding an extra sprue to an existing set to make another unit. In this case genestealer mutants. Seems pretty straight forward.
With the size of the hive scum sprue, the upgrade sprue might actually end up being bigger than the base!
Interestingly, Valrak thinks the next armour mark might either be MkII or MkV.
...it wasn't going to be MkI or MkVIII, and MkVII appears for all of about 5 seconds during the Horus Heresy. III, IV, and VI have plastic kits.
So yeah, everyone thinks the next armour mark might be II or V.
Updated IV are also possible looking at the updated III.
Personally I think renewed IV would look very close to Primaris Intercessors so II and V indeed are good choices, but you never know with GW
I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.
lord_blackfang wrote: I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.
Any new Mk II kit will also have separate heads that can rotate. Ruined.
lord_blackfang wrote: I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.
umm they butchered mkiii, so I wouldn't say LEAST.
lord_blackfang wrote: I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.
umm they butchered mkiii, so I wouldn't say LEAST.
You people really need to calm down. They did not 'butcher' the Mk III, they just changed it. I liked to old Mk III a lot, but I also like the new version, and overall it's a better kit. GW can do the Mk V justice; all they need to do is provide some additional panels on the legs etc to capture the bonding studs - a technique that they've already used on models like the jetbike riders. There might be a degree of simplification of the design in the process, but is that really a big deal?
Nu-MkVI looks great, nu-mkiii is a'ight(due to the exact SAME 5 POSES as MKVI) but looks completely different to my OG metal & Prospero MKIII.
I can understand that you like the new kit(and I do to s lesser extent) but now I have a bunch of upgrade torsos that won't work with the GW kit.
That may be cool to you Snord, but its not really that way for me.
The real rub is that BOTH MKIII & VI are my favorite marks of armour going back to Rogue Trader. On the one hand I love beakies and dig the kit. While on the other, Iron pattern is my numero uno ana how they've transliterated it into mono(dynamo)pose leaves a ton to be desired.
I've been buying the mkiv like it's going out of style just to prevent the same thing from happening to the pile of my EC torsos sitting in a box waiting till I'm done w my Salamanders infantry.
Racerguy180 wrote: Nu-MkVI looks great, nu-mkiii is a'ight(due to the exact SAME 5 POSES as MKVI) but looks completely different to my OG metal & Prospero MKIII.
I can understand that you like the new kit(and I do to s lesser extent) but now I have a bunch of upgrade torsos that won't work with the GW kit.
That may be cool to you Snord, but its not really that way for me.
The real rub is that BOTH MKIII & VI are my favorite marks of armour going back to Rogue Trader. On the one hand I love beakies and dig the kit. While on the other, Iron pattern is my numero uno ana how they've transliterated it into mono(dynamo)pose leaves a ton to be desired.
I've been buying the mkiv like it's going out of style just to prevent the same thing from happening to the pile of my EC torsos sitting in a box waiting till I'm done w my Salamanders infantry.
I agree with the criticisms of the limited posability and their decision to replicate the same 5 poses across the armour types (presumably the next variant will also share the same poses - it's a bit weird). But it seems to me that what you're really grappling with here is the changeover to the better proportioned models. I got hit by that as well - my SoH are all the previous Mk III, and the new version simply isn't compatible. I think one just has to suck that up - the older models are based on an aesthetic that we were all fine with for many years, but which now looks pretty awkward next to the newer models.
Unlikely imho; they probably can share some structural elements (the trunnions and so on) but the Infernus has that lil’ trailer that the Valdor just doesn’t have at all, while the Valdor has the special “blank” sponson with the cables.
Haighus wrote: If breachers is true, that would suggest Zones Mortalis instead of Fast Attack.
So a box with Breachers, Rapiers, and a Castraferrum dreadnought (probably MkIV) would work.
Breachers don't necessarily need to be in the box and, looking at the last few, at least 20 normal tacticals of the new MK should be in the box. So its unlikely they put another 10 guys in Breacher configuration in it. But whatever else is in the box could certainly fit ZM anyway
There was only one previous box and it had 30 dudes and 25 special weapons
It also very politely had all of the new stuff from that wave plus a free existing Land Raider.
I could easily see a "Siege" box of 30 new dudes with some Breachers, one of the heavy weapon sprues, maybe the other Dorito, maybe a Vindicator to round it out.
lord_blackfang wrote: There was only one previous box and it had 30 dudes and 25 special weapons
It also very politely had all of the new stuff from that wave plus a free existing Land Raider.
I could easily see a "Siege" box of 30 new dudes with some Breachers, one of the heavy weapon sprues, maybe the other Dorito, maybe a Vindicator to round it out.
Solar Auxilia also got a Battlegroup and it had 20 standard dudes. And while the Age of Darkness boxset isn't a Battlegroup it is still a boxset and also had 40 standard dudes. So every boxset released for HH2.0 had some standard dudes.
Of course there could be Breachers in there in addition to the Tacticals like the SA box had a Command squad in addition to the Lasrifle section, I just think its unlikely.
And while the Astartes Battlegroup had everything from their wave inside, the SA Battlegroup didn't so its, as I said, not guaranteed that they are in there.
Of course it's not even guaranteed Breachers will even exist, and AFAIK all this talk that the next wave is ZM themed is pure wishful thinking from some peeps in this thread.
lord_blackfang wrote: Of course it's not even guaranteed Breachers will even exist, and AFAIK all this talk that the next wave is ZM themed is pure wishful thinking from some peeps in this thread.
Sure, but we're discussing a Valrak rumour and he literally rumours in the same video that Breachers are happening at some point.
(Also just to be clear, the rumour he's reporting is that there will be another Mark III style launch box, but he doesn't say that it won't be Mark IV from the rumour monger - he says he doesn't know which new mark it will be, and he's just speculating that he doesn't think it will be the Mark IV, for reasons that didn't make a lot of sense to me as they would apply equally to the Mark III, which we did get.)
No idea if ZM will come to pass, but it's not bad speculation given GW get to roll out another book of rules stuff for fairly little outlay on their part and may be able to push the existing wall kits again.
If we’re wishlisting, my picks for a boxed set would be a plastic Javelin (because it looks so cool), Rapier (useful for everyone), and Mk V armour. A plastic Centurion / Consul sprue would also be very welcome. But I suspect that any new boxed set would include the command upgrades.
Well, the Legiones Astartes Battlegroup had 30 new MkIII Marines, a special weapons sprue, the new Deredeo Dreadnought, and a Land Raider Proteus, which came out earlier.
If that's the template, I could see 30 new Marines, a breacher upgrade sprue, a new unit (maybe Rapiers), plus an existing model (Vindicator or Leviathan Dread to go with the theme). Just speculation though.
We are still missing the Deredeo with Lascannons and Volkite that could fill the big box dreadnought slot. Mostly existing kit with one new weapon sprue.
The art just looks like normal Mk 6 with BA helmet and despoiler arm upgrades.
Color plates of rapiers is more hopeful. It looks like they were redesigned from the FW models when they made the LI scale version, hoping for a full size release.
Color plates of rapiers is more hopeful. It looks like they were redesigned from the FW models when they made the LI scale version, hoping for a full size release.
Yeah they are the exact same new design as the LI models just with more details, so pretty likely I would say
1) Shattered Legions, bookkeeping aside, has a handful potentially fun legion combinations and a few terrible ones and a lot of meh in between, I wouldn't worry about min/maxing in the slightest, the power level will never match the good vanilla legions. Power and characterful-ness of course varies just as widely as in the vanilla Legions. DG majority, for example, grants the core of their legion trait (always stationary for shooting) while some are barely worth writing down. For all the doom and gloom on Goonhammer I can't find any other instance where rules straight up break down besides single model Night Lords units (Dreadnoughts!) being completely unable to ever declare a charge.
2) Blackshields, meh with a side of meh. One standout vow option is you can't take HQs, but all unit champions get buffed to near Centurion level stats for free. Dual wielding Imperial Guard small arms might also be fun, 4 strength 3 shots per model ain't nothing and they can be shotguns. The other vows are mostly bad Fabius Bile type genetic sidegrades and minor leadership shenanigans. I can't see the strongest Blackshields measuring up to the weakest Legion.
3) Company Command squad, costs the same as Legion Command Squad and loses artificer armour and chainswords, so pretty gak, but has a few extra wargear options that could be interesting for certain legions (oops all alchem hand flamers)
4) Legion Auxilia is the neatest part of the book, straight up free minor buffs for Aux taken as allies with Marines and often very characterful, for example Salamanders Marines give a 4+ cover save to Salamanders Auxilia behind them. The only section of the book that is done just right.
There's also a 40 point Marine HQ who's like a budget Delegatus, a Centurion who lets you take 3 Aux Lasrifle sections or Militia Infantry squads, and of course the 3 new Aux sentinels that we've already seen as pdf, and new special characters who can pull double duty in Shattered Legions or their home Legion.
Overall the book has a commendable amount of content, but most of it is aggressively mediocre, although nothing is remotely as bad as the dumpster fire of Legiones Hereticus (Emperor's Children)
The shattered legions rules could have been implemented in a more simplified manner to eliminate the bookkeeping while retaining the flavor. The NL Dreadnought situation could have also been avoided with a single extra sentence too.
Blackshields are on the cusp of being great, on the wrong side of mid. A couple of the vows are kinda OK, most are pretty meh. They are not nearly as good as the Imperialis Militia provenances in terms of the level of customizability or thematic flavor offered.
Not sure I understand why we needed a company command squad vs a legion command squads or what it brings to the table for us. Seems a redundant choice.
Auxilia rules are generally pretty great, though the new lifeguards unit seems kinda pricey.
Ooh, I like that! Autoguns and lasguns on Astartes, just like in the RT days. If we end up getting plastics for all armour marks, blackshield squads will be rad
Mechanicum are getting at least some plastic robots. Holds up a Thanatar-Calix and says those are going plastic.
Previously discussed Marine box at some later point will be Mark II, and Saturnine pattern Terminators (I know there's no actual official source that big shoulder Termies are Saturnine pattern, don't at me).
Mark V is coming at some point, but doesn't know if it's before or after the Mark II box.
"Breachers upgrade kit" (no elaboration)
Also notes that this source isn't a regular one, so if you consider that a caveat you should do so.
How to do "rumors" by Clownrak without having any actual data, episode 5786784.
An army that is like 90% robots will get 'some' robots in plastic. Big surprise, much wow. Not the actual kits, though, it would require him to steal the info from someone reliable first.
Marines get another box, super hard guess after 3 previous boxes (4 if you count SA). Or 25 boxes if you look how GW does 40K releases these days. Who could have seen this?
Next marine armor will be II or V, out of two missing armor marks. Not the actual mark, tho, or what unit will be next released in resin or anything, because it would be actual rumor, and that requires effort unlike impressing gullible kids with low hanging fruit "rumors" that anyone can guess. Ditto for saturnine, the only 'missing' TDA kit, funny that. Did he still spews that "rumor" GW will release plastic Warhound Titan any day now he started in 2014 or did he finally shut up about it after people were laughing at this claim in his comment sections for years now?
Most demanded unit will get upgrade kit. Like GW said multiple times on social media already. This is not even trying, but people with short memories will still be awed. Easy clicks and money here
Irbis wrote: How to do "rumors" by Clownrak without having any actual data, episode 5786784.
An army that is like 90% robots will get 'some' robots in plastic. Big surprise, much wow. Not the actual kits, though, it would require him to steal the info from someone reliable first.
Marines get another box, super hard guess after 3 previous boxes (4 if you count SA). Or 25 boxes if you look how GW does 40K releases these days. Who could have seen this?
Next marine armor will be II or V, out of two missing armor marks. Not the actual mark, tho, or what unit will be next released in resin or anything, because it would be actual rumor, and that requires effort unlike impressing gullible kids with low hanging fruit "rumors" that anyone can guess. Ditto for saturnine, the only 'missing' TDA kit, funny that. Did he still spews that "rumor" GW will release plastic Warhound Titan any day now he started in 2014 or did he finally shut up about it after people were laughing at this claim in his comment sections for years now?
Most demanded unit will get upgrade kit. Like GW said multiple times on social media already. This is not even trying, but people with short memories will still be awed. Easy clicks and money here
Who are these reliable rumourmongers that Valrak steals his info from. You could have given us a link instead of an effort post.
I hope ‘Saturnine’ doesn’t mean the original Termie design with the huge domed shoulders. Not everything designed back then deserves to be brought back to life.
Snord wrote: I hope ‘Saturnine’ doesn’t mean the original Termie design with the huge domed shoulders. Not everything designed back then deserves to be brought back to life.
Have you not seen that short video of a redesigned version of one of those old massive suits stomping along a corridor? They actually managed to make that goofy idea look badass. It’d be fun to see if GW can pull that off in static plastic.
Here:
Gert wrote: Yeah, one of the Blackshields rules is that they get to take stuff like Lasguns and Autoguns. Very cursed but also very funny.
Haven't got my book yet, but are autocannons included in that? If so, then we have the perfect representation of outlaw chapters, IMHO.
No as that is already included in heavy support squad.
You can though take Heavy Stubbers though and those count as "Assault" in marine hands.
That Oath does look very interesting. 1 in 3 can take a Heavy Stubber, and all characters as well if I recall correctly.
It allows Marines to really kick out some impressive amounts of fire low damage fire power. The sheer weight of attacks should cause some damage.
Someone did the math, and 1: Lasguns outshoot bolters at T4, at all ranges when dual-wielded, except fury+rapid at the same time, 2: double stub carbines do the same *With* rapid fire+fury. Not to mention the double guns giving +1 attacks means there's no reason to shell our for chainswords unless you really want that shred. Throwing a heavy stubber on top is just gravy. Also fun for veterans, because they can get their concussive shotgun and still take combis/nemesis.
Racerguy180 wrote: I just did a backflip in my indomitus pattern...like everyone should be able to when donning such technologically advanced gear
That's not Goto tho, Terminator acrobatics are already present in foundational GW literature like Deathwing.
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Snord wrote: I hope ‘Saturnine’ doesn’t mean the original Termie design with the huge domed shoulders. Not everything designed back then deserves to be brought back to life.
Snord wrote: I hope ‘Saturnine’ doesn’t mean the original Termie design with the huge domed shoulders. Not everything designed back then deserves to be brought back to life.
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I know there's no accounting for taste, but those look immeasurably worse than the original Saturnines in my opinion.
Irbis wrote: How to do "rumors" by Clownrak without having any actual data, episode 5786784.
An army that is like 90% robots will get 'some' robots in plastic. Big surprise, much wow. Not the actual kits, though, it would require him to steal the info from someone reliable first.
Marines get another box, super hard guess after 3 previous boxes (4 if you count SA). Or 25 boxes if you look how GW does 40K releases these days. Who could have seen this?
Next marine armor will be II or V, out of two missing armor marks. Not the actual mark, tho, or what unit will be next released in resin or anything, because it would be actual rumor, and that requires effort unlike impressing gullible kids with low hanging fruit "rumors" that anyone can guess. Ditto for saturnine, the only 'missing' TDA kit, funny that. Did he still spews that "rumor" GW will release plastic Warhound Titan any day now he started in 2014 or did he finally shut up about it after people were laughing at this claim in his comment sections for years now?
Most demanded unit will get upgrade kit. Like GW said multiple times on social media already. This is not even trying, but people with short memories will still be awed. Easy clicks and money here
How to be irrationally angry that someone generated content: the thesis.
That aside, they could do with rescaling all the terminator marks at this point I think? So no, it's not obvious Saturnine is next. It's also not obvious that they'd bother making plastic mk 2 or 5 next, given they haven't rescultped 4 but they have done 3.
He was also right about mechanicum well before GW mentioned it - you might say it was obvious they'd do it eventually, but he was right about it being discussed close to the SA release.
Whether you buy into the rumours or not, you've provided the highest character count post on the content, so clearly it meant the most to you.
I'd be pretty shocked to see Saturnine seeing as everything for the plastic range so far besides the Kratos has been replacements for resin kits.
Even extra units added via campaign books are just Consuls or upgrades like the Inductii. Plus it's ugly as sin and I have yet to fathom why it's so beloved.
Snord wrote: I hope ‘Saturnine’ doesn’t mean the original Termie design with the huge domed shoulders. Not everything designed back then deserves to be brought back to life.
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I know there's no accounting for taste, but those look immeasurably worse than the original Saturnines in my opinion.
Yes, I saw those designs when I was reminding myself what the original 'Saturnine' looked like, and despite some nice details I thought they still looked pretty silly. Especially the huge guns on their heads. Although these models do demonstrate how much difference a cool paintjob makes.
Irbis wrote: How to do "rumors" by Clownrak without having any actual data, episode 5786784.
An army that is like 90% robots will get 'some' robots in plastic. Big surprise, much wow. Not the actual kits, though, it would require him to steal the info from someone reliable first.
Marines get another box, super hard guess after 3 previous boxes (4 if you count SA). Or 25 boxes if you look how GW does 40K releases these days. Who could have seen this?
Next marine armor will be II or V, out of two missing armor marks. Not the actual mark, tho, or what unit will be next released in resin or anything, because it would be actual rumor, and that requires effort unlike impressing gullible kids with low hanging fruit "rumors" that anyone can guess. Ditto for saturnine, the only 'missing' TDA kit, funny that. Did he still spews that "rumor" GW will release plastic Warhound Titan any day now he started in 2014 or did he finally shut up about it after people were laughing at this claim in his comment sections for years now?
Most demanded unit will get upgrade kit. Like GW said multiple times on social media already. This is not even trying, but people with short memories will still be awed. Easy clicks and money here
My my. Aren't you just jealous how others find out what's coming before you do?
I'd probably prefer Tartaros or Cataphractii to be redone to Saturnine, but keen to see what they come up with if true.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Looks like box art for a Sicaran Punisher on page 66 of beta Garmon.
Doubt it, looks like the same resin Salamanders Sicaran Punisher currently shown on their webstore (transfers match). If they'd done the Punisher in plastic it would be in SOH or IF colours
Tartaros and Cataphractii in scale with Mk6/3 would certainly be welcome, but not if they're comically oversized like Indomitus and not if all the current bits are parted out into separate upgrade kits.
The remakes are often pretty loose with the source material. The Contemptor and Deredeo modernisations are considerably altered from the Rogue Trader versions with only the vague concepts carried through IMO.
Haighus wrote: The remakes are often pretty loose with the source material. The Contemptor and Deredeo modernisations are considerably altered from the Rogue Trader versions with only the vague concepts carried through IMO.
Chuck, Eddy and Fury were fun designs, back when they were just another form of armour and not a walking tomb
lord_blackfang wrote: Tartaros and Cataphractii in scale with Mk6/3 would certainly be welcome, but not if they're comically oversized like Indomitus and not if all the current bits are parted out into separate upgrade kits.
Didn't the current plastic Tartaros come out alongside the current Mk6 Marines? Shouldn't they be in scale with each other already?
lord_blackfang wrote: Tartaros and Cataphractii in scale with Mk6/3 would certainly be welcome, but not if they're comically oversized like Indomitus and not if all the current bits are parted out into separate upgrade kits.
Didn't the current plastic Tartaros come out alongside the current Mk6 Marines? Shouldn't they be in scale with each other already?
No, they're from 2017, they just got re-released for the HH 2.0 launch.
Haighus wrote: The remakes are often pretty loose with the source material. The Contemptor and Deredeo modernisations are considerably altered from the Rogue Trader versions with only the vague concepts carried through IMO.
The names are from early Rogue Trader, but the models are from Space Marine and for the Deredeo, also Space Crusade (I’m not sure where they featured first though, Marine or Crusade)
lord_blackfang wrote: Tartaros and Cataphractii in scale with Mk6/3 would certainly be welcome, but not if they're comically oversized like Indomitus and not if all the current bits are parted out into separate upgrade kits.
Didn't the current plastic Tartaros come out alongside the current Mk6 Marines? Shouldn't they be in scale with each other already?
Cataphractii were in the Age of Darkness box but both terminator sculpts were already 6+ years old at the time.
chaos0xomega wrote: For further clarification, tartaros came out alongside the old (current) undersized Mk IV kits
Cataphractii was released alongside the MkIV in the Betrayal at Calth boxset. Tartaros was released alongside the previous MkIII in the subsequent Prospero boxset. Yes, aesthetically it would make sense the other way around, but ho hum.
And finally, this will be the last instalment of Heresy Thursday for a few months, while we turn our focus to the Mortal Realms. Our regular Thursday feature will return later in the summer.
There’s still plenty to come from Warhammer: The Horus Heresy and Warhammer: Legions Imperialis, both of which are still fully planned and supported, and more releases are scheduled in the second half of this year.
Hm, kinda sounds not even the already previewed stuff (Basilisk/Medusa) is coming out in the next 3 months?
The gap seems to be standard every year as HH makes room for main game updates.
And finally, this will be the last instalment of Heresy Thursday for a few months, while we turn our focus to the Mortal Realms. Our regular Thursday feature will return later in the summer.
There’s still plenty to come from Warhammer: The Horus Heresy and Warhammer: Legions Imperialis, both of which are still fully planned and supported, and more releases are scheduled in the second half of this year.
Hm, kinda sounds not even the already previewed stuff (Basilisk/Medusa) is coming out in the next 3 months?
The gap seems to be standard every year as HH makes room for main game updates.
Last year still saw releases, just no previews outside of events like Warhammerfest. The last Heresy Thursday for April 13th, 2023 was the Librarian Consul and there were still a big chunk of stuff up for preorder after that.
Yeah I don't think they need to get a whole article for stuff that's already been shown.
Honestly, the fact that there's a pause is ok with me. I'm not being kept waiting to see anything soon and I can focus on getting the things I already have finished.
I would not be shocked if we see, when Heresy Thursday returns in July(when it returned last year):
-Veletaris Vanguard upgrades of Rotor Cannons
-Separate Veletaris Flamer/Pioneer kit.
-Some kind of "Reconnaissance" frame for the basic Solar Auxilia.
Pioneers and Engineers keep being a big buzzword for the Solar Auxilia.
Ah I was hoping for another rest week for the wallet but here we go, and it's 3 boxes for a full unit IIRC. At least the artillery is bad enough that I don't need any.
lord_blackfang wrote: Ah I was hoping for another rest week for the wallet but here we go, and it's 3 boxes for a full unit IIRC. At least the artillery is bad enough that I don't need any.
Probably the best looking model in the SA range.... and yet the rules so awfull that you can coun't yourself lucky if anyone fields them in a battery at all.
Yeah, it is a shame that the artillery guns got hit so hard with this edition, but still getting one for the sake of having one for the cohort, maybe two more if the build is as enjoyable as the Leman Russ and Malcadors are.
Though I have pre-ordered three boxes of the Hermes walker so I can have a squadron of each. :sweat:
I would like them to revise the Militia list so that these Sentinel variants are included. These little ones in particular seem more appropriate for second line troops than 'proper' Sentinels.
I need all the tech priests and Myrmidon in plastic. An Abeyant!! Oh man...
. Looking at other companies, I'm not even sure anyone makes a game like that, as we say in Germany, it's eine eierlegende Wollmilchsau 
