Over the next couple of weeks we're going to start showing the previews for the Tombstone kickstarter. We expect to launch on April 5th, over the next couple of weeks I'll be previewing the new miniatures.. all 110 of them over 7 factions! Probably a faction every few days. Also previews from the book, details about the game and kickstarter etc.. Tombstone is an old west skirmish game, rulebook (available in English, Spanish, German and French) and miniatures launched via Kickstarter. For now I've added some photos of the scenery we used for scenic shots for the book and some play testing. I'm extremely proud of the work that has gone into this project and book and can't wait to share it with you.
One of the best places to keep track of the progress is our Facebook page
We'll also post updates here. The Tombstone page down the left hand column will have updates.
20th March- Tombstone Kickstarter preview 1 of 7: Outlaws The first previews of our seven factions are the Outlaws. Each gang type consists of one leader, mounted and unmounted, a deputy, a 3x four figure packs (15 models total). There are four different horse types which will also be available separately.
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22nd March- Tombstone Kickstarter preview 2 of 7: Natives. We're pleased to preview the Natives faction for Tombstone, more coming soon.
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24th March- Tombstone Kickstarter preview 3 of 7: Mexicans. We've now added previews of the Mexicans! They follow the same format as the other factions.
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Pablo the donkey is a special character and will be an add on during the campaign.
Some add ons and extras...
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Incident on Grand st. was briefly released a while a back but was always intended as an add on for the campaign. It was one of the most popular sets we've ever released. Very useful as an objective marker it can used with a few of the scenarios within the Tombstone book.
'Have a go hero'
Hostage
Rambler and Humphrey the dog was also briefly available in the past and will be an add on. Civilian models are always very popular so this was an addition to the three civilian sets we alreday have online. One piece model.
Vulture. This will be an add on but may also be a free bonus model for certain pledge levels. Other extras will include the Horse set, weapon sprue and certain characters.
27th March: Tombstone Kicklstarter preview 4 of 7: 7th Cavalry.
The 7th Cavalry in Tombstone don't form a strict army unit, but rather a bunch of skirmish troopers that have formed togther to help a cause, on a unique mission or perhaps a crew of deserters out for their own gains. The leader can be used as a generic Captain or Custer himself who is a special character in the book.
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28th March: Tombstone Kickstarter preview 5 of 7: Lawmen
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30th March: Tombstone Kickstarter preview 6 of 7: Undead.
The Undead faction have been added! The undead/zombie fantasy side is an option in Tombstone, for those who want to play traditional games this is not a problem. The Undead leader may at some point get his own 'undead horse', for now he rides one of the generic ones. The Terrors pack has been previously released, it was an early test pack to see of there was interest in Undead cowboys, there was and they now form part of the faction.
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2nd April: Tombstone Kickstarter preview 7 of 7: Females
Our final miniatures update, (book updates coming tomorrow!) The females don't have their own 'faction' in the book, they can be added as and where you please. Of course you can form an all female posse if you like, just use another faction type (such as outlaws) as the roster
This will likely be my first Kickstarter. I've purchased some of their current Tombstone line and the miniatures are great. I'm interested to find out more about the skirmish rules they are realeasing.
Oooooh....this is going to be very tempting. I have always wanted to get my hands on some Black Scorpion miniatures, and this seems like just the excuse.
If the rest of the range has minis as characterful as fat mexican riding a donkey swigging on a bottle of beer I think ill back this. Helps that I already have a table full of wild west terrain that'll be great for this too.
Incident on Grand st. was briefly released a while a back but was always intended as an add on for the campaign. It was one of the most popular sets we've ever released. Very useful as an objective marker it can used with a few of the scenarios within the Tombstone book.
'Have a go hero'
Hostage
Rambler and Humphrey the dog was also briefly available in the past and will be an add on. Civilian models are always very popular so this was an addition to the three civilian sets we alreday have online. One piece model.
Vulture. This will be an add on but may also be a free bonus model for certain pledge levels. Other extras will include the Horse set, weapon sprue and certain characters.
For traditional American Plains Indian archery, there most certainly is. And using Lars Andersen as a historical source is like using Alex Jones as a news source.
There is no doubt that there are some types of bows (Mongol and Japanese) that have the arrows on the other side of the bow, but virtually all Native American and European bows are designed to have the arrow on the left side of the bow if the shooter is right handed.
Again, I am loving these models and am looking forward to jumping in on this Kickstarter!
Does anyone happen to know how Black Scorpion's figures scale up to the ones from Shadows of Brimstone, Malifaux, or Wild West Exodus? If these are comparable, I may need to back it. If nothing else, I need the old coot and his dog and the fat, drunk guy on the donkey.
I don't own any of those mentioned ranges - but they're 32mm "heroic' GW sized models. They're not full on 35mm like WWE though. They're far larger than, say, Artizan or Foundry or any of the older 80's-90's design waves.
Barzam wrote: Does anyone happen to know how Black Scorpion's figures scale up to the ones from Shadows of Brimstone, Malifaux, or Wild West Exodus? If these are comparable, I may need to back it. If nothing else, I need the old coot and his dog and the fat, drunk guy on the donkey.
I asked the creator if he was going to make a pledge level or whatever for the SoB audience, and he said NOPE, aside from backers being able to order figures individually. Pretty irritating that a creator does all this work, then decides to not make money - and therefore doesn't reach SG's -- by ignoring a possible audience. Here's his FB if you want to ask for support for these other games: https://www.facebook.com/Black-Scorpion-miniatures-43404548975/
Barzam wrote: Does anyone happen to know how Black Scorpion's figures scale up to the ones from Shadows of Brimstone, Malifaux, or Wild West Exodus? If these are comparable, I may need to back it. If nothing else, I need the old coot and his dog and the fat, drunk guy on the donkey.
I asked the creator if he was going to make a pledge level or whatever for the SoB audience, and he said NOPE, aside from backers being able to order figures individually. Pretty irritating that a creator does all this work, then decides to not make money - and therefore doesn't reach SG's -- by ignoring a possible audience. Here's his FB if you want to ask for support for these other games: https://www.facebook.com/Black-Scorpion-miniatures-43404548975/
Why would he design something to support another game, when he's trying to get his off the ground? Moreover, what kind of pledge would you even expect? You can already get individual figures if you want, and I dont think he can use the SOB name to advertise.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Why would he design something to support another game, when he's trying to get his off the ground?
Money. I hear money is good.
You're suggesting that SoB and Tombstone are mutually exclusive. I say they're not. If he finds a way to attract SoB players to his KS, some of them might pick up his Tombstone game as well. The worst case is that he receives free advertising that leads him to miniatures sales, which is better than if SoB players didn't know of the campaign and bought nothing at all.
Or maybe they are concerned with pushing this product more than supporting another with the Kickstarter. The individual figs will be for sale at retail, after all.
ced1106 wrote: Who knows. We've been talking about the KS on Lead Adventurers and BGG, and you can see for yourself the interest in these miniatures by SoB players.
Why don't you pledge for the miniatures and consider the rulebook a nice bonus rather than campaigning for a 'Shadows of Brimstone' pledge level. I mean what the hell would it even contain that that just pledging for the game with some miniatures wouldn't?
ced1106 wrote: Who knows. We've been talking about the KS on Lead Adventurers and BGG, and you can see for yourself the interest in these miniatures by SoB players.
Why don't you pledge for the miniatures and consider the rulebook a nice bonus rather than campaigning for a 'Shadows of Brimstone' pledge level. I mean what the hell would it even contain that that just pledging for the game with some miniatures wouldn't?
Think we solved that one right here. Pledge for the minis - get the rules as a bonus. Minis are universal. Rules could very well be good (I haven't read anything on them yet, or if they're a current system that's just being updated...).
Zethnar wrote: Why don't you pledge for the miniatures and consider the rulebook a nice bonus rather than campaigning for a 'Shadows of Brimstone' pledge level. I mean what the hell would it even contain that that just pledging for the game with some miniatures wouldn't?
As I said before, it's foot-in-the-door theory. You get the SoB backers to pledge for the SoB pledge. Then they see all the other mini's the campaign has to offer, and some of them will buy more stuff, both rules and miniatures. Particularly, if the SoB pledge does not entitle them to SG's.
Reaper did this with their Bones I campaign. They had a $15 level that gave backers 30+ miniatures, but did not give them SG's. When SG's were hit (including because of this $30 level), not all, but some, $30 pledgers pledged for higher levels.
If you don't get them seeing the KS, how much money will these SoB backers contribute to the campaign? Hint: Absolutely none.
Zethnar wrote: Why don't you pledge for the miniatures and consider the rulebook a nice bonus rather than campaigning for a 'Shadows of Brimstone' pledge level. I mean what the hell would it even contain that that just pledging for the game with some miniatures wouldn't?
As I said before, it's foot-in-the-door theory. You get the SoB backers to pledge for the SoB pledge. Then they see all the other mini's the campaign has to offer, and some of them will buy more stuff, both rules and miniatures. Particularly, if the SoB pledge does not entitle them to SG's.
Reaper did this with their Bones I campaign. They had a $15 level that gave backers 30+ miniatures, but did not give them SG's. When SG's were hit (including because of this $30 level), not all, but some, $30 pledgers pledged for higher levels.
If you don't get them seeing the KS, how much money will these SoB backers contribute to the campaign? Hint: Absolutely none.
Pretty sure they couldnt call it a "Shadows of Brimstone" pledge, as FFP probably wouldnt like them using their name to sell a competing product. It launches next week, so not really enough time for them to secure the rights even if they were interested. Plus, as mentioned, SOB players can just buy figures ala carte or off the webstore if they are interested.
Oh, definitely agreed. Something generic like a "You're new around here" pledge pitched as a "sampling of hombres for boardgames and miniature games. Stretch Goals not included.". Not the first KS that would have a "one-click convenience" pledge.
ced1106 wrote: Oh, definitely agreed. Something generic like a "You're new around here" pledge pitched as a "sampling of hombres for boardgames and miniature games. Stretch Goals not included.". Not the first KS that would have a "one-click convenience" pledge.
Which still would not do what you are claiming you want, because it is not specifically targeted at the SoB community. If a generic pledge level like that exists, the HORDES of SoB players still don't know about it, unless they know about the KS over all. And if they do know about the KS...
I suspect you WILL see a smaller pledge level and/or access to just buying the sets you want.
What folks seem to think is silly is your insistence Black Scorpion cater directly to another game/tailor pledges for another game system, because, well, it IS silly to expect them to do so.
CptJake wrote: If a generic pledge level like that exists, the HORDES of SoB players still don't know about it, unless they know about the KS over all..
I hear there are things called "forums" where you can tell other members about these things called "Kickstarter projects" run by "creators".
So, you're saying game fans can spread the word and now you can stop insisting BS create a pledge specific to another game, and advertise specifically for that other game?
You can think whatever you want and the creator can leave on the table as much money as he wants. I'll keep looking at this KS as one which could have made more money than it will.
And, if you want, you can pretend there's no room on the game shelf for both games. Other than the SoB heroes being old west, there's not much the games have in common. Shadows is a coop game. Tombstone is player vs. player. Shadows is a western-themed dungeoncrawler. Tombstone is a miniatures skirmish game. While both have you fighting undead, Shadow's undead are minor monsters to the more Cthulhu-like major ones, and the game controls the monsters, not the players. Tombstone has undead as a player-controlled faction.
Would you get this uppity if I was going to use these miniatures for a Deadlands RPG??
ced1106 wrote: You can think whatever you want and the creator can leave on the table as much money as he wants. I'll keep looking at this KS as one which could have made more money than it will.
And, if you want, you can pretend there's no room on the game shelf for both games. Other than the SoB heroes being old west, there's not much the games have in common. Shadows is a coop game. Tombstone is player vs. player. Shadows is a western-themed dungeoncrawler. Tombstone is a miniatures skirmish game. While both have you fighting undead, Shadow's undead are minor monsters to the more Cthulhu-like major ones, and the game controls the monsters, not the players. Tombstone has undead as a player-controlled faction.
Would you get this uppity if I was going to use these miniatures for a Deadlands RPG??
I think it's just general confusion what you expect, other than an "ala carte" pledge, which they are almost certainly going to have. Sell the figures cheaper with no cards? For like, what, 3 cents cheaper each?
ced1106 wrote: You can think whatever you want and the creator can leave on the table as much money as he wants. I'll keep looking at this KS as one which could have made more money than it will.
And, if you want, you can pretend there's no room on the game shelf for both games. Other than the SoB heroes being old west, there's not much the games have in common. Shadows is a coop game. Tombstone is player vs. player. Shadows is a western-themed dungeoncrawler. Tombstone is a miniatures skirmish game. While both have you fighting undead, Shadow's undead are minor monsters to the more Cthulhu-like major ones, and the game controls the monsters, not the players. Tombstone has undead as a player-controlled faction.
Would you get this uppity if I was going to use these miniatures for a Deadlands RPG??
Not me personally, no, but that's not changing the argument of asking a project creator to cater their new project specifically for something that has nothing to do with their new project....or is that something companies should be doing de facto now?
Regardless of what you end up using the miniatures for, I'd consider it poor taste to ask a company specifically to change their Kickstarter campaign (for their own new game, mind you) to better fit in with some other company's game.
Also, why is there an assumption that Black Scorpion isn't going to make money on this because it doesn't cater to Shadows of Brimstone fans? Have they already finished the campaign? Do we know pledge structures yet? Seems all a bit premature doom and gloom.
I didn't say that I was "asking a project creator to cater their new project specifically for something that has nothing to do with their new project".
I see that this project has old west figures. If they have old west figures that can open their project to a new audience, they should take advantage of this.
I also didn't say anything about selling the figures with or without cards.
KS is not a store, and I think has opportunities to advertise that conventionally have not been done. Assuming that they want to little work for maximum funding.
I need to see these undead painted, maybe they'll catch my interest, but as it stands I may be in for all factions previewed thus far with the exception of them... I'm hoping they'll have some painted examples on display at Salute later this month. (I do like their undead pirates though linky 1linky 2linky 3)
I'm sure there's nothing stopping Black Scorpion or anyone who's a fan of theirs advertising this Kickstarter in places where players of Shadows of Brimstone will see them. Or where players of .45 Adventures or any other Old West game will see them. I'm just not sure how having a pledge level specifically named "Shadows of Brimstone" will help that? Does Kickstarter's search engine look at pledge names? I mean, whatever it's called, someone would still need to go looking for it, or bring it to people's attention, so a pledge that allows you to order whatever minis you want is the solution you're asking for, as far as I can see. He didn't say he didn't want people to talk about this where SoB players may gather.
As for getting annoyed, why? It's not your business, so why do you think you should have anything to do with how it's run? Money isn't, after all, everything. The biggest delays and failures I've seen on Kickstarter have been ones where the final total was massively over the initial goal, so perhaps he wants to keep things under control.
It is possible to end a campaign prematurely if it hits its goal early. Not an option I've seen used by games campaigns often, but I have seen it, in the odd case where the campaign was only to fund a print run of a certain size.
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Barzam wrote: Does anyone happen to know how Black Scorpion's figures scale up to the ones from Shadows of Brimstone, Malifaux, or Wild West Exodus? If these are comparable, I may need to back it. If nothing else, I need the old coot and his dog and the fat, drunk guy on the donkey.
The painted models are metal models from Black Scorpion. The unpainted models are metal Malifaux models - a pair of Performers from the original Colette du Bois box.
Worth mentioning that the new Malifaux plastics are generally taller/lankier than the original metals. The stocky and more wide legged stance of the Black Scorpion models should still work, just be be a bit different aesthetically.
I have their Pirate range in metals, from a few years back. Excellent figures. I am going to get a load of these for the SOB drought that is out there. I'll probably get them before I get more SOB from the SOB's.
What a excellent set of figures. Standard top notch range of figures from a great company!
2nd April: Tombstone Kickstarter preview page now live!
We've now put up the preview page for the Kickstarter, it will launch on April 5th approx 7pm UK time. You'll see all the details and previews of the book here:
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Pledge £5 or more
mix and match
For a selection of different miniatures/packs calculate the total and pledge above. You can tell us exactly what you'd like when we send out the pledge survey. Order over £50 and receive the PDF rulebook free. Shipping added on checkout/campaign end.
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world
Use this if you're getting a mix of different packs from different factions. Just add up the total and enter that amount (shipping is added at checkout/end of campaign) E.g If you want a Native leader, Mexican deputy and the printed book = £35
Pledge £15 or more
PDF Rulebook.
PDF only version of the rulebook, select language with the pledge survey when the campaign ends. Select this option only when buying the PDF ALONE (as it has no postage). Available in English, Spanish, French, German and Italian.
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017
ONLY use this option for the PDF book on its own! As it has no shipping cost. The PDF is also added free to a number of other pledge options
Pledge £25 or more
Rulebook (printed English)
Printed rulebook (only available in English, select pdf version for translated versions). Also entitles you to a free PDF rulebook in any language. Shipping added on checkout/campaign end.
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world
For the printed book in English. You can increase the pledge amount to add miniatures or add £25 to another pledge option to add the book. (shipping is added at checkout/end of campaign)
Pledge £45 or more
Complete Faction
One complete faction of your choice (leader, mounted leader, deputy and 3x four model packs= 15 models total). To add the printed book or extra packs simply increase the pledge amount accordingly and let us know in the survey once the campaign ends. Entitles you to a free copy of the PDF rulebook. Shipping added on checkout/campaign end.
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world
Use this for any complete faction. (equals: leader, mounted leader, deputy, and 3x four model packs). Yes you can choose from different factions as long as the make up is as above (as this option offers a small saving). Increase your pledge as needed to add more packs or the book etc.. E.g for 2 factions and the book enter £115 (Shipping added at checkout/end of campaign)
Pledge £110 or more
2 Faction + Book combo.
2 complete factions plus the printed book offer (english only). Also qualifies for the free miniature over £100 offer. Shipping added at checkout/campaign end. Entitles you to a free copy of the PDF rulebook. Increase your pledge to add more packs or extras.
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world
Entitles you to 2 x complete factions plus the printed rulebook. Also means you qualify for the free miniature for spending over £100 and free PDF rules offers
Pledge £250 or more
Tombstone town (early bird)
All 7 complete factions! 105 models... Free vulture miniature plus FREE SHIPPING WORLDWIDE. To add the printed book or extra models increase the pledge amount accordingly and tell us what you want on the survey once the campaign ends. Entitles you to a free copy of the PDF rulebook.
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world (Limited backers)
Pledge £285 or more
Tombstone town.
All 7 complete factions! 105 models... Free vulture miniature plus FREE SHIPPING WORLDWIDE. To add the printed book or extra models increase the pledge amount accordingly and tell us what you want on the survey once the campaign ends. Also qualifies for the free miniature over £100 offer. Entitles you to a free copy of the PDF rulebook
ESTIMATED DELIVERY Dec 2017 SHIPS TO Anywhere in the world
It's probably best to give in and accept you want this option from the start. You get all 105 models across the 7 factions shown above! Offering a significant saving. You also get a free vulture miniature only available with this pledge and a free miniature of your choice for spending over £100 (see below)... and FREE SHIPPING WORLDWIDE! increase the pledge amount to add the book or extra packs or add ons. (Free shipping).
SHIPPING COSTS:
We try to keep things simple so shipping has two categories and flat rates regardless, meaning you'll know exactly what your shipping costs are!
UK: £6.00
EU/ROW: £10.00
Also note the highest pledge goes post free worldwide!
We are shipping from the United Kingdom. Therefor this project is EU friendly.
Delivery schedule.
We've put December 2017 as the delivery date, in truth we hope to start shipping the first orders within a couple of months. If the project is very successful we've given this as a buffer to get everything out. Obviously once the campaign is over we will have a more accurate idea of this
Seems silly to only offer the vulture with the town pledge and not also as an add on. Frankly it is not enough of an incentive to go for that pledge if you were not already going to do so, though it is a nice bonus.
That pledge gets you all the miniatures at roughly £27.1 each - probably half price or less. That's quite the incentive even without the vulture - assuming you want 105 assorted ne'er-do-wells.
If it wasn't timed to clash with Salute for this month's money, I'd be tempted to go for that.
AndrewGPaul wrote: That pledge gets you all the miniatures at roughly £27.1 each - probably half price or less. That's quite the incentive even without the vulture - assuming you want 105 assorted ne'er-do-wells.
That is kind of my point. The vulture isn't an incentive for that level.
A reminder the Kickstarter launches tonight at approx 7pm UK time https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/69613072/1000057089… Currently we have a number of offers and deals on there, many of the pledges offer discounted rates, free pdf rulebook, free miniature/pack of your choice as standard plus there are a number of stretch goal add ons. E,g if it hits £50,000 there are an additional 3 free characters everyone on the faction level and above gets free, including a kick-starter exclusive. More updates on launch!
I'm totally getting that fat guy on the donkey for my SOB bandito! And it worked out well w the pledge structure for people who aren't interested in the game (though I'll probably give it a whirl anyways). Really impressive 1st day total!
I've updated the FAQ with common questions and will add more as needed. Here's the main two:
Can I swap packs between factions on the deals?
Yes you can as long as the faction 'make up' remains the same. I.e 1 x leader, 1 x mounted, 1 x deputy 3 x four model packs. E.g you can order the 2 faction plus book pledge and say, I'll have the Outlaw faction, but swap the leader for the mexican leader, and outlaw pack 1 for female pack 3... etc etc... (or indeed a list of random packs/models as long as they make up a 'faction') . You cannot swap individual models around from any pack (a logistical nightmare).
Can i increase a pledge amount using another pledge 'deal'?
Yes you can, but you only get the bonus models and stretch goals once from the original pledge level. But you can take advantage of the discounts offered. E.G: You have a gaming group and order the all in + book (7 factions, 1 book) but still need more. You can then increase the pledge by £105 effectively adding the 2 faction+ book combo (just an example, you can add what you like) to take advantage of that deal on top and get 9 factions + 2 books.
Again this will info will be collected after the campaign. We will not be using the ‘pledge manager’ (though I’m double checking I understand its function correctly) so the campaign will end at the end. But given the above of being able to add deals to increase your pledge this shouldn’t be an issue.
We hope to bring you a demo game intro video soon, we’re working on it now. I don’t want to promise a timeframe but hopefully within a week or so.
Add ons and stretch goals: As the campaign has moved so swiftly, and looks to be heading towards that £50,000 mark (where all pledges of £45 get a kickstarter exclusive model free!) I’ll be having a think about adding new add ons and stretch goals in between the ones left. I already have some ideas of useful, and nice freebies! E,g A ‘Loot’ counter that is used in the bank robbery encounter (and can be useful in others) with a crate, some coin bags and notes spilling over etc.. Just an idea for now.
We've passed the £50,000 mark! That means everyone with a pledge of £45 or more gets rambler, billy the kid and now the kickstarter exclusive model (will be lady from the cover) FREE!!
I'll be updating some graphics that show these rewards clearer on the page for all to see soon.
I'l also be updating the stretch goals and add ons soon to add more in between the current ones.
This weekend we are working on the demo video, hope to have that up next week.
There wil also be further updates with more write ups about the game, going over what type of encounters are there etc..
There's also been requests for some size comparison shots, so I'll get those done. Probably with GW and PP models as I have those.
Also just a small clarification, on the mix and match pledge if you spend over £45 you also qualify for a free single character of your choice (as if you had faction pledge) it's not 100% clear in the description.
We do read and try reply to all the messages and comments, but please bear with us if there's a delay in getting back to you at any point. Kickstarter really needs to address the amount of spam emails creators receive as it makes it hard to pick out backer questions amongst them.
We'll be updating some of the stretch goals and add ons very soon, (possible today) to have a few more there in between the larger totals.
We've been working on the demo video and that's progressing nicely. This will just be a little video/simulation to show the very basics of the mechanics of the game, how movement and shooting works, things like that. But we will add more updates detailing a bit more about the scenarios in the book and the campaign system and of course try to answer any questions you have.
My question is this: Is there an interest in a guide of how to make a simple old west building? (or is this something everyone can do?) Are there other little guides or info you'd like to know about? Converting? etc etc..
Bear in mind we're extremely busy with this project at the moment (and Salute approaching fast!) so we can't do it all, but I would like to provide extra useful info if backers are really interested.
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As promised we've added a few in between stretch goals! The speed of the backing took us a little by surprise so the early goals went very fast.
So far unlocked are:
Free Rambler, billy the kid and kickstarter exclusive.
We've added at £70,000 a free bank contents, loot sculpt marker ideal for some of the encounters (hope to add pic of that soon)
at £85,000 a free mini weapon sprue, containing six shooter rifle and shotgun with hands on, ideal for conversions.
at £110,000 a surprise bonus we'll reveal should we get closer to that mark.
These are on top of the existing add ons and stretch goals.
Anyone with a pledge of £45 or more gets these added FREE to their order if those levels are reached.
mdauben wrote: Was really interested until I saw it was 32mm. I've got too many 28mm old West figures to switch scales at this point.
What brand of figures do you have/use?
Black Scorpion are very 28mm Heroic (32mm). They work brilliantly with Knuckleduster 32s and work okay with DMH. They match up well the chunkier Foundry figures but outsize Artizan/etc. Do you have older slightly more 25mm figures?
I don't do BS stuff anymore because resin is...awful, but the minis aren't huge unless you're using older stuff.
Reaper are definitely far close to 32 than proper 28. I'd do some research if I were you. I think you might be okay. I run a couple of different companies, but mine are all larger ranges.
So we’ve had a lot of questions regarding adding models from the current range we have on the website to the pledges. As we’ve mentioned before this is possible, just contact us afterwards and we’ll arrange payment (via PayPal) and to have them added in for no extra postage costs to your pledge.
Packs such as the Earps and Pat Garrett are in the book so it’s understandable people might want to add them.
To this end we’ve added a surprise bonus stretch goal at £65,000.
Anyone with a pledge of £45 or more is eligible for an online offer after the campaign.
- Spend £30 or more in the online store and choose any additional ‘4 pack’ of models FREE! (Any single pack that contains 4 models from the packs on the webstore)
This offer only begins once the campaign ends. It can be used to add to your pledge (contact us via email or message here and we’ll send a PayPal invoice)
Or can be used for an order to be shipped as normal, simply order online and add a note in the comments section with your free pack choice and pledge name/number. (great for people who want to get started early!)
The offer can be used on any range and is valid for 2 years from the end of the campaign. (one use only). Obviously if you want to use it to add in the kickstarter tell us sooner rather than later, but if your kickstarter goes out and you haven’t used the offer it’s still valid for future orders.
In other updates we are closing in on the next stretch goal of £70,000 for another free model! Hopefully we can keep pushing on!
We are close to bringing you the demo video, we’re adding some fancy arrows and graphics to aid the basic rules explanation.
Adam - Black Scorpion
Update #8
Apr 13 2017
Mini update regarding shipping.
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Hi all,
Just a quick confirmation about shipping.
On the pledges it's not worded well when it says ' shipping added checkout/campaign end' (my fault, we can't change the description after launch)
This is because I wasn't exactly sure how kickstarter added it. As any backers will probably have worked out it just adds it automatically as you click 'select this reward' £6UK £10 ROW
Free to the top pledges.
So just to confirm no one will be charged any extra postage after the campaign. But do watch out if adjusting your pledge that you still include the shipping there £6 UK, £10 ROW -FREE top pledges. (especially if you have mix and match).
You can of course adjust your pledge at any time.
Sorry for any confusion, but you don't have to worry about any unexpected charges at the end or after the campaign.
We've made a video with some explanation about the game, some simple demo turns and a bit about the campaign.
This is just to give you some idea of the mechanics, it obviously doesn't represent the full dynamics of a real game or the full rules.
Again the demo table is about half the size we suggest (a 4' x 4' is best). Also note measurements in the book are given in both metric and imperial (or the most appropriate for the translated versions).
All the charts, tokens, rosters etc are provided in the book and will be made available for download.
Here's the link to the video:
A big thank you to Kane for not only narrating the video but putting together all the graphics.
Grot 6 wrote: Are these a new line of figures, or Black Scorpions usual top quality ones that they already have for the range?
Asking because if they already have them on hand, the game comes that much faster...
I was already looking at these a hard for use with SOB...
As I understand it, they're pretty much all new (with the exception of some of the add-ons like Billy the Kid) and will be added to the existing range - although pretty sure I read that the female gunslingers may replace the existing female models (which TBH are rather on the side of cheesecake minis - whilst the new sculpts are less so...). The sculpts are all done (for the 7 main factions at least) so this KS is all about the numbers and more like a pre-order it seems...
'This Kickstarter is to put the project in action and to give us exact numbers of the book and miniatures ordered to aid in printing and production logistics.
Most of the work is done and ready to see below! The rules, translations (except Italian) and miniatures are all complete. All that's to be done is the final graphics layout of the book and miniature production.'
'we are releasing over 110 new models in addition to the large existing range we have online'
'Risks and challenges
We produce all the miniatures in house and have over 11 years of successfully sending out orders all over the world. The book is complete, barring final layout touches. The translations are complete except Italian, these translations will require new layouts but I don't foresee those causing any delays. All the models are sculpted (except for a few possible add ons) and as we don't contract out to any outside sources for production we are in control of everything giving very low risk. We have even stockpiled large quantities of production materials for casting to mitigate any possible delays through suppliers. This is our second printed publication, meaning we have experience of bringing a printed book to market and dealing with printers. Possible delays could come if the project achieves an extremely high level of funding. But as we know the rate at which we can produce miniatures an accurate estimate of any possible delays could be given.
Overall the risks are low and I have a very high confidence of successfully sending out all the pledges.'
We've just returned from the Salute show in London where we previewed all the models for this campaign. Thanks to everyone who stopped by, many of whom had already pledged.
We've now hit the £70,000 stretch goal! This means anyone with a pledge of £45 (exc postage)or more will qualify for the bank robbery marker token completely free. This will be a kind of 'loot' or crate with coins and money overflowing. Ideal for use in the Bank robbery encounter and others in the book.
With a bit of luck I may be able to show a preview of that and something else we're working on soon.
Quite a few questions regarding tokens in the book. Just to confirm all the the tokens and markers you need are in the back of the book and will also be available as a free download.
This update give a little bit of information about the various encounters or scenarios in the book. These basically give the game a storyline or particular objective to make things a bit more interesting and add an extra element to the game. We’ve added 8 encounters plus 2 bonus encounters in the book. These are just starting points, inventing your own or changing the ones we have is a great way to add new ideas to your games. Even small tweaks can make a lot of difference to the game, so don’t be afraid to experiment and have fun. Note some encounters have special rules which apply regarding basic gameplay rules (e.g movement rules for encounters involving escaping the table), so this is just a general overview.
Each encounter will specify the objectives and who the winner will be at the end.
Ambush: The attacker will divide his gang into 2 halves and randomly select one which is lying in wait for the defender who may use his whole gang. The attacker starts active and catches the defenders in open ground. The defender must try to escape with as many models as he can. The game ends when all the defenders have escaped or been taken out. If more escaped than were taken out the defender wins and vice versa.
Pitch Battle: This is a pretty standard gang fight and can be used for general games. Both sides set up opposite ends of the table and try to take each other out. In each recovery phase any side with 50% or more taken out take an AU test and must score 4+ or they cut their losses and run, losing the game.
Stagecoach: One of the gangs has been entrusted with escorting a stagecoach. This could contain an important person, money, food or something of value. Unfortunately, their route forces them to pass through the territory of their opponents, who decide that they want whatever is contained in that coach! One side with the stagecoach must have a model in control of it to move it, they need to remove it from the table via the opponents table edge, the opponent must take control of it and themselves remove it from the same table edge. You could try this encounter with a VIP or important crate instead of a stagecoach.
Bank Robbery: The attacker secretly notes which table edge he will launch the attack. The defenders aren’t expecting trouble and are spread out and unorganised. A central building represents the bank. The attacker must get in , open the safe and leave the table with it before the defenders stop them. The bank robbery token free stretch goal we are making is ideal for the encounter.
Shootout: Both gangs are mixed around all over town without realising the other is there, when they do all hell breaks loose. What makes this encounter unique is the deployment. Following the guidelines in the encounter you will place one of your models then one of your opponents and vice versa until all models are deployed. The result being both gangs mixed all over the table. The cut your losses rule is used to determine the winner. This could be a good encounter to introduce civilians into with extra rules, perhaps even a third player representing civilians with very limited weapons and a couple of lawmen to protect them to mix things up.
Kidnap/arrest: Use the deployment rules for the shootout above. However this time each opposing gang is specifically trying to arrest or kidnap an opposite member. This is randomly determined and each side has no idea which of their models is the target. The winner is the gang who removes the target model from the table first. In Tombstone you can drag models and mounted models can also use a lasso to drag models!
Loot: Using the loot counters provided in the book, spread them over the table face down (they’re represented as playing cards). Both gangs deploy opposite each other. As well a gunfight breaking out they both try to open as many loot counters as they can. Each contains something of value (theres a list on the encounter page), such as guns and equipment. Some also contain unstable dynamite and will explode on opening! This is another rencounter full of opportunities to tweak and change things. Adding more loot counters, changing what’s in them or what they do all add a new element to the game. Maybe on your final game of a campaign ONE loot crate contains gold/diamonds and ALL the others are booby traps, the winner finds the gold etc etc.. Also adding a few loot counters to other encounters can be fun.
Showdown: Both gangs deploy in front of each in open ground in town. This is a straight shootout and it’s not going to be pretty.
Bonus encounters:
Brawl: This gives rules for an encounter along the lines of a bar brawl without serious weaponry being used.
Gunfight/fastest gun: These rules are used in certain elements of the game such as kidnapping rules. But also allows you to have a fastest gun shootout one on one should you wish. You could even have a competition to find the fastest gun! Warning gunfights are dangerous to health.
So that’s a very brief overview of the encounters. As you can see the possibilities are endless, no doubt you will come up with your own and we encourage people to share them. One of the more common questions we get is regarding civilians. They don’t have specific rules in the game but you can easily add them as you please in the following ways:
1: They play no part in the game and are just to add to the the table look.
2: They only play a part in certain situations which you decide on, house rules. Decide on their stats and what if any weapons they have. They don’t even need to have a full stat line, they could just have a very simple special rule that applies (e.g someone is on their property and they act). Again its up to you.
3: A full encounter around civilians. E.g Outlaws are coming to murder them and the lawmen must defend them. Invent rules as appropriate.
Hope this gives you a little taste and eager to play once the book is ready!
The campaign is nearing its end so this is a general update with some reminders and commonly asked questions regarding pledges etc.
First of all a huge thank you to all that pledged! It's been a massive success and continues to rise in the final hours.
In fact the next stretch goal at £85,000 is currently in sight. With this pledges of £45 or more get a mini weapon sprue free!
So just some final reminders:
We are not using pledge manager, the campaign will end at the end! So this is your chance to add in any add ons or extras you want, this is easily adjusted on the page. Have another look through, do you need the dice set? Extra horses? weapon sprues will certainly be useful.
Shortly after the campaign we will send out a survey, this will find out exactly what you want, we'll probably put an update with this in case anything needs to be made clear. If need be we can always contact people individually so don't worry about anything.
With this many backers there's always going to be the odd post campaign misunderstanding or pledge total error so here's some common areas to double check or be aware of:
Postage: Kickstarter will have already added postage when you pledged, but if you adjusted your pledge be aware that either £6 or £10 of that total is postage. Stretch goals apply to pledges of £45 or more BEFORE postage. There will be no more postage or costs to pay post campaign.
Groups and large pledges: As we've explained before you can add the discounts of pledge levels to existing ones, e.g you pledged all in +book and added £45 for an extra faction deal. But note stretch goals and free figures are only added ONCE per pledge, not per faction ordered!
All in +book: Just to clarify this does not include the unlocked add ons, but these can be selected as your free options if applicable or added to your pledge as normal.
Mix and match/adding items: Please double check you've added the amount correctly if you've a list of different items.
Bases: Yes all the models come with appropriate bases!
The post campaign online offer:
The stretch goal at £65,000 is a free online offer should you choose to use it, it's valid once, up to 2 years.
If you order £30 or more online you receive an additional standard '4 pack' free.
You have two options with this:
1. Add the order to your Kickstarter models when they ship (post free). For this EMAIL us first via the contact page on the website blackscorpionminiatures.com , tell us your name, kickstarter name and pledge number, plus what you want to buy+which pack free and your PayPal email. We'll then send a PayPal invoice and ship these items with your kickstarter.
2. Independent order to be shipped normally (may be subject to postage) Simply place an order online as normal using the website, when you checkout there's a comments section, here put your kickstarter name, pledge number and tell us which free pack you want. If in any doubt whether the comments section worked (no reason it shouldn't) you can always email us to confirm. When we process your order we'll add a comment confirming we've seen the offer.
Thanks again! Adam - Black scorpion.
Sadly, I'm likely to have to either reduce or pull my pledge, so maynolonger be seeing the backer only updates... :(
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just spotted a new update before I adjusted my pledge...
Update #13
May 3 2017
Stretch goal unlocked!
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Great news!
We've past the £85,000 stretch goal! Meaning all pledges of £45 or more (before postage) receive a mini weapon sprue completely free! This is in addition to the other stretch goals already unlocked.
There's just a few hours left of the campaign now, still time to get in any last minute additions you may need!
Well, it finished - hitting £94,175 (1,884% over the funding goal...), with £7,197 pledged on the last day ! Well done to Adam at Black Scorpion. I had to pull my pledge unfortunately, but would be interested to keep an eye on this one - I'll certainly pick up a pack or two when it hits retail (I have the Legends of the Old West ruleset, so can use them with that...)
Update #14
May 4 2017
We did it!
Tombstone has officially funded!
A huge thank you to everyone who pledged and gave us feedback, it means a so much to us that so many people backed!
Please bear with us over the next few days there's a lot of admin and a lot of emails we'll be getting.
A quick update of what happens next:
Soon we'll send out the survey, this is to basically find out exactly what you want. I'll post an update about this beforehand. Then of course we'll set to work finishing of the book,translation layouts, stretch goal models and producing everything.
I know updates and communication is important on Kickstarter . So whenever there is an update of some interest or progress I'll put an update. Regardless of this if there's no significant news I'll post an update every 2 weeks at least just to say ' no news is good news' and let you know things are running along nicely.
Of course you can contact us at any point with any questions, I would ask as above to give us a few days to get organised first.
Thanks again can't wait to send out all the models!
I went in for the £45 pledge for a starter (plus the freebies). Now I need to go and catalogue my old metal minis and see what I want to add. Perhaps some undead ...
I'm extremely proud of the work that has gone into this project and book and can't wait to share it with you.
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